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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:07:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 499

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Cops Track Emergency Call to Malfunctioning TV (Monty Solomon)
    Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company (T Pelliccio)
    Re: AMTRAK (was Re: Last, Sad Laugh! A Nice Place to Work!) (M Crispin)
    Re: AMTRAK (was Re: Last, Sad Laugh! A Nice Place to Work!) (L Hancock)
    Re: Sinclair's Disgrace (Joseph)
    Re: Routing to VOIP, was Can't Move 800 Number to Vonage (Stanley Cline)
    Re: Drivers Try an Anti-Photo Finish (John R. Covert)
    Re: A Problem With VOIP and Phone Books (Stanley Cline)

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:06:55 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Cops Track Emergency Call to Malfunctioning TV


By Richard Shim

Talk about unwanted new features in fancy televisions, college student
Chris van Rossman got more than he wanted with his Toshiba set -- as
he learned when emergency and law enforcement officials came knocking.

Earlier this month, Rossman's year-old 20-inch flat screen TV started
broadcasting over the 121.5MHz frequency, the channel used for
distress signals. Such signals are used by search and rescue workers
to find airplanes that have crashed or boats that are lost or
missing. Rossman's TV was picked up by search and rescue satellites
and emergency crews were alerted.

http://news.com.com/2100-1041-5415719.html

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From: kd1s@yahoo.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Verizon Taking Lessons From Hooterville Telephone Company
Date: 19 Oct 2004 06:09:38 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I recently moved three blocks east of my former location and contacted
Verizon to move the line.

I was assured that at 8:30AM on the 15th service at the old address
would cut and the new address would be active at 10:30AM.

Service at the old location cut at 11:30PM on Friday but the new
location wasn't up yet. I've been going around and around with Verizon
for days about this. They say the switch is telling them service is
fine and to find my network interface and they'll take it from there.

What I found was I'm pair #14 on a 50 pair breakout box with screw
posts and nuts to hold the wiring down. I had to ANAC about 30 lines
before I found mine.

Thing is, I know I'm going to have to wire my jacks as whoever did the
wiring before was a hack. But I had this faint image of having to
climb a telephone pole to make a call that harkens back to Green Acres
and the Hooterville Telephone Company.

Needless to say -- the CATV line is in the house and the HSI is
getting installed Thursday so I just might port my service to Vonage
and be done with the stodgy phone company once and for all.

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From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: AMTRAK (was Re: Last, Sad Laugh! A Nice Place to Work!)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:57:23 -0700
Organization: University of Washington


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004, Lisa Hancock wrote:

> From the 1930s to 1950s, a consortum led by General Motors and tire
> and oil interests bought out city street railways and converted them
> to buses supplied by the consortum.  This was not the only reason
> cities lost their streetcars, but it was a significant contributor and
> accelerated the loss.

I have heard this claim many times but have seen scant evidence of a
conspiracy.  Rather, it seems that companies in the *transportation*
business consolidated.

Streetcars, while quaint, have limitations.  Streetcars vanished from
NYC, London, and Tokyo; yet all three cities have extensive rail-based
rapid transit networks.  You'll see streetcars in Germany and Austria,
as part of an aboveground S-Bahn network which is invariably slower
and less preferred to the underground U-Bahn.  The S-Bahn quickly
becomes rapid transit once in suburbia.

LA actually had a public vote in the 1920s on whether to extend the
streetcar lines.  The voters overwhelmingly voted *against* streetcars
in favor of more auto roads and bus lines.  From that moment, the
streetcars' doom was sealed, although it took a few decades for the
streetcars to die.

Most American cities are still too sparsely-populated to support a
rapid transit line.  The modern incarnation of streetcars, "light
rail", remain limited in service area compared to buses.

Some cities, such as Seattle, try to get the best of both worlds with
diesel/electric buses that run on overhead power lines when present
and on diesel fuel otherwise.  Seattle is now trying to build a light
rail line and a monorail ...

-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Streetcars have very few limitations. 
They are actually preferred, IMO, in various ways. Trolley busses are
better, however (the distinction being trolleys run with overhead
power lines (i.e. catenary poles) but rubber tires rather than wheels
like railroad cars. Chicago Transit Authority had both street cars at
one time, and trolley busses until later, into the 1960's on the latter.

As children, we would play a game which for lack of a better name was
called 'stall the trolley bus'. A trolley bus ran east and west on
Lawrence Avenue; a streetcar ran north and south on Western Avenue. 
The kids got 'points' if they could slip unseen behind the trolley
bus and knock the catenary pole down, causing the trolley to stall
(from lack of electrical power), while it stopped at Lawrence and
Western (a fairly busy intersection) to load/unload passengers. Still
more points were given if the kid timed it just right, (Trolley
stopped at a stop light, light changed to green, kid waited until
the trolley had started to accelerate his motor, *then* pull the
catenary down, giving the trolley *just enough power* to coast out 
into the middle of the intersection before it stalled completely.)

Of course if Lawrence had just gotten the green light at that point
then Western had a red light. The trolley driver would get out of
the bus muttering or cursing about the 'little bastards' who had done
it. It was a two or three minute process to get off the bus, walk to
the rear, take the connecting rod, prod the catenary into place,
re-establish the power, get back on the trolley and drive away. Most
likely the stop and go had changed colors twice by then, so of
course traffic on Western Avenue was stalled also for the duration.

Still more points awarded if the Western Avenue streetcar was coming
as well, since *he* had to sit there and wait while the Lawrence
trolley bus got un-stalled and restarted. One time that happened, the
streetcar motorman came over to help the trolley bus driver get his
pole up and re-established. Of course the little bastards were no
where to be found, having run off to hide as usual after they had done
that. All the cars on Western Avenue which cannot get past are sitting
there honking their horns as the trolley driver is trying to get his
pole back up, and the passengers on the trolley peering out the
window watching it all.  The little bastards, from their hiding place
were all doubled up in hysterical laughter at it all. It was a great
game for boys 10-12 years old.   PAT]
 
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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Re: AMTRAK (was Re: Last, Sad Laugh! A Nice Place to Work!)
Date: 19 Oct 2004 10:09:50 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


John Mayson <jmayson@nyx.net> wrote: 
 
> If it provided such an economic advantage then private companies would
> be chomping at the bit to set up commuter rail service.

When economic advantages accrue to society at large, private companies
are not interested and the government is needed to support for them.
For example, firehouses are a vital service, but there are very few
for-profit fire services and no interest to turn it into something
like that.

The private sector has shown little interest in building and operating
its own turnpikes and toll bridges (though there are a few).  One pvt
toll bridge in southern New Jersey wants the take to take it over.
Likewise, the airlines have shown no interest in raising capital and
building and operating their own airports, preferring to rent space
from govt built and owned facilities.
 
> This isn't the sole cause, but there is something else contributing
> the decline of rail.
 
> Around 1906 or so the US government passed stringent regulations ...

Imagine you own old grocery stores.  They aren't doing very well.
You're thinking of either (1) investing your money to modernize them
or (2) closing some or all down.

But the government comes along and builds a fancy new shopping across
the street from you.  Your property taxes go up to for it.

You then decide to close those stores which directly compete with the
govt stores and have lost their patronage.  But, the govt tells you
must keep those stores open full hours as a public service, even
though you're losing money on them.

As to investing money to modernize your stores, you discover that the
govt stores were built with guaranteed tax free bonds, which pay
little interest.  The loans you would take would be much more costly.
Further, because you're losing money, investors are leery about giving
you a loan, further raising the interest rate.  It just doesn't pay
you to the run your stores, even where it is still profitable.

The above was the railroad passenger situation in the 1950s.  Tightly
regulated with many mandated unprofitable services, yet government
subsidized competition taking away business.

In the late 1960s, policy makers realized that highways and airports
were so badly overcrowded and using up so much good _irreplaceable_
land that they just weren't working out.  So, they recognized there
still was a place for the passenger train to supplement the above
modes and ease some of the burden.  That was the rationale to create
Amtrak (and commuter rail lines).

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From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Sinclair's Disgrace
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:48:19 -0700
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com


On 17 Oct 2004 20:49:06 -0700, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
wrote:

> The Sinclair business is propaganda just like Michael Moore's film
> is propaganda.  I suspect many of those upset about Sinclair are
> the same people who applauded Michael Moore.  The two are the same.

> What goes around comes around.

If you're going to compare do it with apples to apples not apples to
oranges.

People had to *want* to see the Michael Moore film and pay for it and
it was not broadcast on public airwaves.

What Sinclair is going to do is *demand* that the stations that they
control pump this out to the public pre-empting other programming.
It's hardly the same thing.

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From: Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org>
Subject: Re: Routing to VOIP, was Can't Move 800 Number to Vonage
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:02:45 -0400
Organization: Roamer1 Communications
Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 03:18:05 UTC, Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
wrote:

> As a related issue, some of the 1-800 providers [a] are taking
> advantage of the interim regulatory quagmire vis-a-vis VOIP's
> exemption from the local telco per-minute termination fees. So since
> they don't have to pay those charges, they're (for the moment)
> charging you (the "owner" of the 1-800 number) less for calls that
> wind up at a(n) VOIP "number".

> [a] I'm familiar with kall-8, being a customer of theirs. I understand 
> some others do this as well. http://www.kall8.com

AIUI, it's not really so much that as the fact that carriers like
Kall8 that can terminate traffic "directly" to SIP destinations
usually terminate such calls on a dedicated T1 from an IXC, just like
a large call center would, that goes into some sort of softswitch or
media gateway, or the carrier is both an IXC and a CLEC (Kall8/ITL is
both) and so can avoid paying themselves access charges on the
terminating end.


Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/

"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.  There might
be a law against it by that time."  -/usr/games/fortune

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Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:13:12 EDT
From: John R. Covert <nospamtd@covert.org>
Subject: Re: Drivers Try an Anti-Photo Finish


In reply to an article stating "the firms that make and operate
radar camera systems and analyze the photos for municipalities
routinely check negatives where license plates look unreadable"
Linc Madison wrote:

> What UTTER and COMPLETE nonsense! If the positive image is illegible,
> the negative image will be EXACTLY as illegible.

This is only true if you are assuming EXACTLY the same technology for
the negative and positive image.  But this is not usually the case.

The shadow definition (the number of different levels of light and
dark or shades of gray) as well as the number of different colors
representable is usually significantly greater on negative film than
on positive print paper.  The resolution is usually higher as well.
The printing process which creates the positive image does not retain
all of the information that is in the negative.

So it's not nonsense at all.  You might enjoy the movie "Blow Up!"

/john 

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From: Stanley Cline <sc1-news@roamer1.org>
Subject: Re: A Problem With VOIP and Phone Books
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:52:56 -0400
Organization: Roamer1 Communications
Reply-To: sc1-news@roamer1.org


On 16 Oct 2004 10:34:03 GMT, Ed Clarke <clarke@cilia.org> wrote:

> If you read the fine print in your contract, you'll discover that the
> phone numbers that you are given (if you can't port your old number
> over) are not listed in the "telephone book".  This means that you've
> gone to an "unlisted" number.

> I wonder how long the "phone company" will keep your old number in
> their own very expensive book?  Why should they?  It's not their

If you port out to a non-LEC VoIP carrier (Vonage and so on), it'll
usually go out of directory assistance as soon as the port goes
through, or a week or two thereafter.  :( That said, I think a few
VoIP providers (BroadVox Direct comes to mind) do have arrangements
with the CLECs they use to get numbers into directory assistance and
the phone book, at least for business customers.

> customer, is it?  I just finished looking at several local guide or
> mini-phonebook websites; all the ones that I've looked at (411.com,
> worldpages.com, whitepages.com) refuse to let you add or edit a
> residential listing.

Keep looking -- there are some that do allow addition of listings.
(switchboard.com comes to mind.)

> that's equivalent to the phone book.  And what's the situation when
> you move to an alternate provider?  My wife moved us from Verizon to
> Excel for the home phone; is there a reason to expect our home phone
> number to remain in the Verizon book?

If you port to a certified CLEC (pure reseller, UNE-P, UNE-L, your
cable company, etc.), you can almost always keep your listing, or
choose to be nonlisted or non-pub as with the ILEC.  Wireless carriers
just aren't used to people wanting their wireless numbers listed;
non-telco VoIP is complicated by the fact that in most cases, the
*VoIP provider* and not the actual end user is the "owner" of the
phone number.  (If you port a number to a VoIP provider the "LNP"
request usually consists of a combination LNP request -- to get the
number to whatever CLEC the VoIP provider uses -- as well as a
"temporary" LOA assigning the number to the VoIP provider while you
have service with them.  This is why you can almost always port out a
number you ported to a VoIP carrier, but you can't port out numbers
the VoIP carrier assigned you -- in the former case, it's still "your"
number, but in the latter case the number isn't "yours".  Technically,
a VoIP provider could LOA numbers they assigned to departing customers
to let them port out, but none are set up to do that, probably
intentionally.)


Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/

"Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.  There might
be a law against it by that time."  -/usr/games/fortune

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