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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:10:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 485

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Law Hits Home (Lisa Minter)
    U.S. Funds Chat-Room Surveillance Study (Lisa Minter)
    FTC Versus Some Spyware, etc. Including Sanford Wallace (Danny Burstein)
    Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response (Lisa Hancock)
    Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response (SELLCOM Tech support)
    Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming (Thor L Simon)
    Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming (Phil Anderton)
    Re: Net Giants Adopt Anti-Spam System (Scott Dorsey)
    Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue (Marcus Didius Falco)
    Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue (NYC)
    Re: REN Boosters From England? (Paul Coxwell)

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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Law Hits Home
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:37:52 EDT


by Anush Yegyazarian

A recent court decision on a 5-year-old case highlights the failure of
our laws to protect the privacy of personal e-mail.

Everyone (or almost everyone) knows that the e-mail you send and
receive at work, using your employer's computers and network, isn't
really private: The company and your boss have the right to both
monitor and read what you're sending and receiving. But if you're like
me, you probably thought that the Internet service provider you use at
home -- and by extension those who work there -- doesn't have the same
right. We're wrong: They do.

At least that's what a recent court ruling says. Apparently, a strict
reading of the laws that supposedly protect our private communications
 -- principally 1968's Wiretap Act (Chapter 119 of Title 18) and one of
the subsequent amendments to it, 1986's Electronic Communications
Privacy Act -- in effect denies e-mail the kind of privacy protection
from law enforcement agents that other forms of personal communication
have.

What's more, the laws give ISPs pretty much the same right to read and
monitor your e-mail that you have.

In Transit Versus Stored

About a month ago, in United States v. Bradford C. Councilman the
U.S. First Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that an ISP wasn't covered
by the Wiretap Act if it chose to snoop into its users' e-mail because
the e-mail messages were stored on its servers.

Councilman worked for a company called Interloc, a rare-book listing
service that also provided Internet access (the company was
subsequently bought by Alibris). He ordered a modification to the
company's e-mail-handling program so that he could identify e-mail
sent to its users from certain domains, such as Amazon.com, that were
his competitors. He then read those e-mail messages in order to get a
competitive advantage.

However, according to the Wiretap Act, an ISP is not allowed to
intercept your e-mail and read it or otherwise use its contents. So
the federal government prosecuted.

Councilman argued that he didn't intercept anything, as the e-mail
messages were no longer in transit: They were stored in the RAM or the
hard drive of his company's computers. Both the district and appellate
courts in Massachusetts agreed.

Why should the location matter? Well, it matters because the law
treats stored e-mail messages differently from ones in transit. I kid
you not.

Stored e-mail messages fall under the guidelines set out in 1968's
Stored Communications Act (Title 18, Chapter 121). Its restrictions on
both ISPs and law enforcement agents are less stringent than the rules
governing communications under the Wiretap Act. And while wiretap laws
don't allow ISPs to read your e-mail, the Stored Communications Act
does.

Like so many other legal decisions, it all comes down to language and
definitions -- in this case the definitions of transit, transmission,
and interception. For the wiretap rules to apply, your e-mail has to
be intercepted, which means it has to be in transit.

If I were asked, I'd say an e-mail is in transit as long as it hasn't
actually been downloaded to my inbox: It hasn't reached me, so it's
still traveling. It's like a package: Those new CDs I've ordered from
Amazon.com are still in transit until they're in my hands, although
technically they may be stored at the local UPS depot awaiting
rescheduled delivery because I wasn't home the first time.

However, the laws are worded -- and have been interpreted by the
courts -- to define transit as a very limited state for electronic
communications. Transit is only that tiny portion of time it takes an
e-mail message to pulse through telecom pipes between periods when
it's stored on the servers that route e-mail traffic from sender to
receiver. Storage is quite broadly defined in these laws. It includes
all kinds of momentary storage, such as on a server or in a PC's RAM,
or even its cache. So e-mail is considered to be "in storage" nearly
all of the time.

Welcome to the wacky world of law. 
Consistent Protection in the Works

Although the decision in United States v. Councilman gives ISPs
the right to snoop into users' e-mail practically anytime they want
to -- and significantly eases access to private e-mail for law
enforcement agents -- it's something of a red herring, says Kevin
Bankston, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

The real problem, he says, is that the Stored Communications Act and
the Wiretap Act treat e-mail so differently, when they should protect
it in the same way. Voice mail, for example, is explicitly protected
under wiretap laws even when it's stored.

At least some congressional representatives think this discrepancy
should be resolved, and a new bill (H.R. 4956) proposed in late July
should help do just that. The E-Mail Privacy Act of 2004 would
basically place e-mail, even while it's stored, under the interception
rules for wiretaps, and would also help prevent ISPs from accessing
users' e-mail messages beyond what's needed for the service to
function.

Not All Monitoring Is Bad

There are certain kinds of e-mail scanning and filtering I want my ISP
to perform. It can -- and should -- go to town on spam, and I'm grateful
for any virus or worm scanning that goes on before my local protection
kicks in. In my mind, that's part of the service I'm paying for. ISPs
are allowed to perform functions like this because such actions are
considered part of their normal course of business, or serve to
protect their business or equipment. H.R. 4956 would have no effect on
that.

In case you're wondering, Google's controversial Gmail wouldn't be
affected under the new bill either. Users know exactly what they're
getting into when they sign up, so they have given consent to Gmail's
computerized snooping.

ISPs already enjoy a certain privileged position in the eyes of the
law: They're exempt from responsibility and liability for what their
users say in the e-mail the service handles. That privilege exists for
good reason: They need that freedom to operate the service and
consequently allow you and me to exercise our free speech on this
medium. But the unrestricted right to scan, read, or copy the e-mail
they process -- without user knowledge or consent -- serves no comparable
good. It's time to close that loophole.

Anush Yegyazarian is a PC World senior editor.

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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: U.S. Funds Chat-Room Surveillance Study
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:45:39 EDT


By MICHAEL HILL, Associated Press Writer
TROY, N.Y. - 

Amid the torrent of jabber in Internet chat rooms; flirting by
QTpie and BoogieBoy, arguments about politics and horror flicks;
are terrorists plotting their next move?

The government certainly isn't discounting the possibility. It's
taking the idea seriously enough to fund a yearlong study on chat room
surveillance under an anti-terrorism program.

A Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute computer science professor hopes to
develop mathematical models that can uncover structure within the
scattershot traffic of online public forums.

Chat rooms are the highly popular and freewheeling areas on the
Internet where people with self-created nicknames discuss just about
anything: teachers, Kafka, cute boys, politics, love, root canal. They
are also places where malicious hackers have been known to trade
software tools, stolen passwords and credit card numbers. The Pew
Internet &amp; American Life Project estimates that 28 million
Americans have visited Internet chat rooms.

Trying to monitor the sea of traffic on all the chat channels would be
like assigning a police officer to listen in on every conversation on
the sidewalk; virtually impossible.

Instead of rummaging through megabytes of messages, RPI professor
Bulent Yener will use mathematical models in search of patterns in the
chatter. Downloading data from selected chat rooms, Yener will track
the times that messages were sent, creating a statistical profile of
the traffic.

If, for instance, RatBoi and bowler1 consistently send messages within
seconds of each other in a crowded chat room, you could infer that
they were speaking to one another amid the "noise" of the chat room.

"For us, the challenge is to be able to determine, without reading the
messages, who is talking to whom," Yener said.

In search of "hidden communities," Yener also wants to check messages
for certain keywords that could reveal something about what's being
discussed in groups.

The $157,673 grant comes from the National Science Foundation.

The NSF's Leland Jameson said the foundation judged the proposal
strictly on its broader scientific merit, leaving it to the
intelligence community to determine its national security
value. Neither the CIA nor the FBI sites would comment on the grant,
with a CIA spokeswoman citing the confidentiality of sources and
methods.

Security officials know al-Qaida and other terrorist groups use the
Internet for everything from propaganda to offering tips on
kidnapping. But it's not clear if terrorists rely much on chat rooms
for planning and coordination.

Michael Vatis, founding director of the National Infrastructure
Protection Center and now a consultant, said he had heard of
terrorists using chat rooms, which he said offer some security as long
as code phrases are used. Other cybersecurity experts doubted chat
rooms' usefulness to terrorists given the other current options, from
Web mail to hiding messages on designated Web pages that can only be
seen by those who know where to look.

"In a world in which you can embed your message in a pixel on a
picture on a home page about tea cozies, I don't know whether if
you're any better if you think chat would be any particular magnet,"
Jonathan Zittrain, an Internet scholar at Harvard Law School.

Since they are focusing on public chat rooms, authorities are not
violating constitutional rights to privacy when they keep an eye on
the traffic, experts said. Law enforcement agents have trolled chat
rooms for years in search of pedophiles, sometimes adopting profiles
making it look like they are young teens.

But the idea of the government reviewing massive amounts of public
communications still raises some concerns.

Mark Rasch, a former head of the Justice Department computer crimes
unit, said such a system would bring the country one step closer to
the Pentagon's much-maligned Terrorism Information Awareness program.

Research on that massive data-mining project was halted after an
uproar over its impact on privacy.

"It's the ability to gather and analyze massive amounts of data that
creates the privacy problem," Rasch said, "even though no individual
bit of data is particularly private."

On the Net:

Yener: http://www.cs.rpi.edu/yener/

NSF: http://www.nsf.gov/

Berkman Center: http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/home/

Pew Project: http://www.pewinternet.org/

Electronic Privacy Information Center: http://www.epic.org/

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From: Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
Subject: FTC Versus some spyware, etc. Including Sanford Wallace
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:02:06 -0400
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


"The FTC has asked a U.S. District Court to shut down a spyware
operation that hijacks computers, secretly changes their settings,
barrages them with pop-up ads, and installs adware and other software
programs that spy on consumers' Web surfing. The spyware may cause
computers to malfunction, slow down, or even crash. The FTC alleges
the spyware operation violates federal law and will ask the court to
bar the practices permanently and order the defendants to give up
their ill-gotten gains.

[ snip ]

"Earlier this year, the FTC received a complaint from the Center for
Democracy and Technology concerning pop-up ads for Spy Wiper and Spy
Deleter. In response to this complaint and other information, the
Commission commenced an investigation of Seismic Entertainment
Productions, Inc., Smartbot.Net, and Sanford Wallace...

    rest at:

 	http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2004/10/spyware.htm

Sigh. While it's nice to see the FTC doing something, I'd sure like to
see something a bit more in the way of, say, criminal fraud charges
 ...
_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
 		     dannyb@panix.com
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response
Date: 12 Oct 2004 10:12:02 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Maybe what will happen, if Rhode Island
> goes through with this plan, the end result will be to force the E-911
> proponents to change *their* way of doing things. Why is it that E-911
> (and by extension, conventional telephony) is so great and VOIP is 
> such a bad deal?  

For one thing, conventional phones are here now, the vast
majority of people have them, and will continue to have them.
VOIP is something new and slowly spreading.  Thus, it makes sense
for the emergency network -- which is in place _now_ -- to focus on
conventional telephones.

A recent Newsweek article on VOIP indicated a number of weaknesses
with VOIP.  A key one is the speed of the line between your PC-phone
and your ISP/VOIP server, the server switching speed itself, and the
speed of the Internet.  If there is a delay in any of these things,
conversation will be a problem.  We all know there are intermittent
delays when on the Internet.  Sometimes it just takes an extra moment
or two for something normally fast to come up.

Newsweek noted that some cable-modem lines are fast now because
they're new and traffic isn't loaded on them yet.  However, as
business picks up and the bandwidth fills up, VOIP won't work as well.

> How did we get along for the first seventy years of
> the 20th century before there was any such thing as 911? 

We can ask that question for just about anything.  I look at the great
buildings and bridges, all built without the benefits of fax,
computers, email, CAD, etc., yet still magnificantly done.

Somehow people enjoyed listening to music (classical or rock) on vinyl
LPs on tube amplified stereos before fancy chips and CD players.

> Is 911 that great of a deal?  

One would have to look up a Bell Labs Record magzine to see what the
advantages were for a universal number.  When I was a kid I had no
idea of police numbers -- we were taught to dial operator and that's
what we did.  I presume the idea is to have a national universal
number and certain special features.

IIRC, even the original 911 came with special features that a normal
terminating phone line would not have.  When I visited a city fire
dispatch center, they had plain Call Directors, but nothing special
with the line buttons; they could not seize a line or trace a call.
Remember, this was in electro-mech days, pre ESS and Caller ID type
systems.

Another issue is that social conditions have decayed so that citizens
request police assistance much more than in the past.  A small town
whose population and crime rate was steady over the years none the
less saw a considerable jump in police calls in the 1970s, esp for
minor complaints.

I remember quite vividly how life changed for us roughly around 1968
 -- we once left our doors unlocked and got along well with everyone.
Everyone on the block felt it was their duty to be considerate.  There
was an expression at one time "what will the neighbors think?" meaning
people really cared about good relations and proper behavior.
Newcomers to the neighborhood would let their dogs bark, throw very
noisy and wild parties, break into people's houses, steal from stores,
etc.  Around this time national crime began its steep rise from which
it never recovered.  In New York City, where IIRC 911 began, street
crime really took off.

The social advocates offer various excuses for the decline including
outright denial, but it is fact that life changed downhill.

As a result, police depts call far more calls and had to expand, and
911 was part of that.

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From: SELLCOM Tech support <support@sellcom.com>
Subject: Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response
Organization: www.sellcom.com
Reply-To: support@sellcom.com
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:59:08 GMT


One evening I was sitting in my dining room eating food.

A policeman came to our door and I just said invite him in and he was
invited in.  We were all curious as to why he was there and he
explained ...

He said there had been a 911 call from this address and then no one
there but background noise so they dispatched.

It took a short while to figure out that a cordless phone on my belt
had been pushed upon its redial button and the previous call (we
mostly take incoming on that phone) had been to 911 about something a
while back (we do the community watch thing).

The policeman was very nice and then went away.  I went ahead and
finished dinner and went on about my business.

Ya gotta sometimes stop and think and appreciate what these guys do
for us.  This guy I don't know and I don't think have ever met comes
to my house fully prepared to risk his life on our behalf if
necessary.  We take so much for granted ...

Steve at SELLCOM

http://www.sellcom.com

Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic, Motorola
Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard!
Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Uniden 2line 5.8GHz cordless
If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself.

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From: tls@panix.com (Thor Lancelot Simon)
Subject: Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming Service
Date: 12 Oct 2004 15:24:03 -0400
Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp.
Reply-To: tls@rek.tjls.com


In article <telecom23.483.12@telecom-digest.org>, William Warren
<william_warren_nonoise@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 11 Oct 2004 02:19:00 -0700, Ariel Burbaickij  
> <ariel.burbaickij@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Could someone explain to me why there is no such service as DNS/whois
>>>> towards it in SS7 network? After all, we have exactly same concerns
>>>> here (distributed and independent administration of different subsets
>>>> of address space, mapping must be often provided between pointcodes
>>>> (numerical address) and its current owner), so why it was decided not
>>>> to do it this way but instead some arcane lists are distributed by ITU
>>>> exclusively?

> [large snip]

> I don't think it's needed in the way the Internet uses the term: DNS
> is essential for the internet because the number of separate nodes has
> grown too large for any one node to handle, so there has to be a
> lookup mechanism to spread the workload, and that's DNS.

> Central Offices don't need a dns-like service because:

>A. STPs already perform an equivalent function: there
>    are few enough exchanges that each one can keep a
>    basic routing table in memory and pass off any
>    unknown npa/nxx codes to an STP for resolution. The
>    STP routes the original SS7 traffic on behalf of the
>    CO, unlike a DNS which returns a routable (IP) address
>    to the requesting node.

This is not really correct.  I think you're conflating the functions
of an STP and a tandem or gateway switch (which is an SSP, in the
usual terminology, but which is not an EO ("End Office"); people often
assume the terms are equivalent but they are not.

An STP routes signalling messages -- only.  The confusion arises
because STPs do, in fact, include a somewhat DNS-like address lookup
facility, Global Title Translation ("GTT").  It is correct to think of
GTT as the analogue to DNS in the SS7 protocl suite.

What GTT does is take a name for a service (a token that is of a type
*other than* 'SS7 network address and subsystem number') and return a
network address (which may be an alias for many hosts in the network,
just as a DNS query may return multiple addresses or a single anycast
address; SS7 had anycast long before IP did).

There is no particular reason one could not implement GTT with DNS as
a backend.  (In fact, I designed a product that did this and have some
related claims in one of my patents).  In practice, GTT data is
usually fully resident in each STP, downloaded there periodically by
various centralized provisioning systems.

But GTT is only used for end-to-end services; more precisely, it is
only generally used for TCAP "queries" (which can also be thought
about as remote procedure call over SS7).  LNP is one such service,
which is one reason people sometimes confuse GTT, which translates
from data that is of one type (e.g. telephone number, trigger type,
and some digits) to another (a destination point code and subsystem
number) as DNS does, with LNP, which just uses remote procedure call
to translate from one telephone number to another (approximately.  I
am well aware that it does not work quite this way!)

ISUP call signaling does *not* use GTT.  Instead, switches have static
call-routing tables with, usually, a digit-at-a-time resolution
starting at the left hand side of the called number.  Just like in IP
networks, there is sometimes a "default route" -- if there is not, the
calling party switch itself will play you an error message.  The
output of these routing tables is a destination point code (an SS7
address) and a trunk group number.  The ISUP messages will go via an
STP (usually, in the absence of F-links) and may make several network
hops but the actual voice path *must* be direct.

This is a key point.  STPs do not "route" voice; and they don't do
translation on ISUP messages because the calling switch essentially
can't require it -- it _has to_ know who the next hop in the voice
path is, because it has to know which of its trunk groups is hooked up
to it!

(Things can work a little differently in the presence of internetwork
gateways, but that is a very special case).

Calls may hop across many switches, end-office to tandem to tandem to
IXC gateway to IXC gateway to tandem to end-office, but at every hop
the next neighbor is known -- has to be, or you couldn't hook up the
voice path right.  Again, LNP complicates things (the "translate this
number to another number" RPC can be invoked *anywhere* in the call
path) but it is still not right to think that normal call signalling
involves anything like DNS, nor, really, that that would be very
useful for that purpose, at least not in my opinion.

Thor Lancelot Simon	                             tls@rek.tjls.com

But as he knew no bad language, he had called him all the names of
common objects that he could think of, and had screamed: "You lamp!
You towel!  You plate!" and so on.  --Sigmund Freud

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From: Phil Anderton <philanderton@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming Service
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:46:11 +0200
Organization: Peoples' Front of Judaea


Ariel Burbaickij wrote:

> I know that Internet didn't have DNS from the very beginning -- it
> made fairly decent progress till today, though, if you noticed ;-). I
> am not talking abount DNS on phones (actually it does exist in the
> form of ENUM and related project and naming scheme for e164 set also
> exists for sure).  I am talking about DNS for pointcodes, i.e. for
> switches (phone switches just to avoid any misunderstanding).  There
> is no dns-like efforts for this and for reasons unknown to me, ITU
> standards that normally tend to foreseen each and everything scenarion
> and are so heavily packaged with required features do not even mention
> this possibility.

Well there is the concept of global titles -- these are usually E.164
or E.214 addresses -- and the SCCP does of course provide the option
"route on global title", where you don't need to know the point code
of the destination switch. Remember too, that point codes only have a
meaning within their own MTP network -- the only way that switches in
different networks can communicate is via global title routing. How
else could GSM international roaming work?

But what you seems to be looking for Ariel, is a reverse lookup
function -- given a point code, how do I identify the switch? There's
no standard answer to that one -- you need to ask the operator of the
network in question.

Phil

Tschaikowsky. Was he the tortured soul who poured out his immortal
longings into dignified passages of stately music, or was he just 
an old poof who wrote tunes?

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From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
Subject: Re: Net Giants Adopt Anti-Spam System
Date: 12 Oct 2004 15:35:03 -0400
Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000)


In article <telecom23.473.6@telecom-digest.org>, Lisa Minter
<lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Some of the net's biggest players such as AOL, Hotmail and Yahoo are
> stepping up efforts to combat spam.

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/technology/3706828.stm

SPL sure doesn't sound like an effort to combat spam to me.  If
anything, it's one of those things that will get adopted by spammers
and ignored by people sending legitimate mail.

scott

"C'est un Nagra.  C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:59:43 -0400
From: Marcus Didius Falco <falco_marcus_didius@yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue


> From: Amin <amin@light.com>
> Subject: Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue
> Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
> Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 03:39:02 GMT

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am not certain what Amin is trying
> to say. Perhaps a reader can interpret the message.  PAT]

> I had been a country. Almost every business puts the telephone set
> in the front of the store. Everyone is able to make free local call
> everywhere. Why do they charge a lot only the local pay phone in the
> US?

I have been in Egypt. There are very few public telephones in Egypt,
probably because there is very little coinage. Many small businesses
do allow the general public to use their telephones. However, the
Egyptian telephone company charges for usage beyond a small minimum.

In some other developing countries (India and Bangladesh come to mind)
people in villages will obtain a cell phone (mobile; portable), and
use this as an informal pay telephone, for the other villagers to make
and receive calls.

In the US, Canada, and most other developed countries, either the
telephone company provides public telephones (at some cost to the
company) and charges for their use, or makes telephone available (at
some cost to the telephone company) for a charge, so people
(businesses) can install their own telephones.

Businesses can only allow the general public to use their telephones
for free in places where there is no charge for local usage. This
might be the case in some countries, though I am not aware of any. In
most countries the telephone company charges businesses for usage
(even local usage), and businesses would have to pass on that charge.

> Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote in message
> news:telecom23.481.5@telecom-digest.org:

>> Service Add-Ons Nibble at Incomes

>> By Christopher Stern
>> Washington Post Staff Writer

>> Satellite radio. Cell phone. High-speed Internet service. Matt Botwin,
>> a Washington consultant, has it all -- and the bills that go with his
>> growing bundle of technology.

>> With each new service, more of Botwin's monthly income is spoken for.
>> A generation ago, mortgages, utilities and newspaper subscriptions
>> made up a short list of payments due each month. Now Americans pay an
>> average of 12 bills a month, including fees for a broad range of
>> services such as television programming, home security-system
>> monitoring and online gaming Web sites. And each individual bill may
>> increase as consumers add incremental improvements such as Internet
>> access to their cell phones and premium channels to their satellite
>> radio service.

>> Botwin figures that he spends at least $250 a month on his
>> subscription services. "I'm not happy about it. It's a lot," Botwin
>> said. But he also feels that his digital devices and services are
>> necessities. The Sirius satellite radio is indispensable for his
>> frequent drives to New York and Philadelphia. "It's like any luxury.
>> I didn't think I needed a microwave [oven], but I'm sure glad I have
>> it now."

>> Economists and academics are beginning to grow concerned about
>> Americans' willingness to cede a regular chunk of their monthly
>> paychecks to new conveniences and services, saying it is taking a
>> serious bite out of discretionary spending, a key driver of the
>> nation's economy. They also worry that new services are contributing
>> to a growing divide between consumers who have the means to secure
>> special treatment, such as access to free-rolling highway lanes, while
>> others are stuck in bumper-to-bumper standstills.

>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19377-2004Oct9.html

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From: NOTvalid@surplus4actors.INFO (NYC)
Subject: Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue
Date: 11 Oct 2004 22:28:26 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.482.7@telecom-digest.org>:

> In article <telecom23.481.5@telecom-digest.org>, monty@roscom.com 
> says: ...

>> Botwin figures that he spends at least $250 a month on his
>> subscription services. "I'm not happy about it. It's a lot," Botwin
>> said. But he also feels that his digital devices and services are
>> necessities. The Sirius satellite radio is indispensable for his
>> frequent drives to New York and Philadelphia. "It's like any luxury.
>> I didn't think I needed a microwave [oven], but I'm sure glad I have
>> it now."
 ...
> Right now I've got cable and phone+DSL, that's it. The cell phone is
> office provided and used only for official business. I've been
> resistant to Sirius and the like because I honestly don't need it.

We now have Virgin mobile and are spending the minimum $7.00 a month.
We had been spending $40.00+ monhly on SpCS.  That two people, EACH
phone.

Long phone calls are made from home.

You can be frugal.

Ray Normandaeu here
with new ".INFO" domain I bought for only one dollar form GoDaddy.
I also get 100 disposable email addies.

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From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: Re: REN Boosters From England?
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 12:50:18 +0100


Ted Koppel <tkoppel@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:telecom23.483.5@telecom-digest.org:

> A quick browse through Google shows a number of sources selling REN
> Boosters (or REN amplifiers) for about a third of what Viking does, or
> around 38 (roughly $60).  Granted, these contraptions take line
> current of 240 volts, but assuming that could be handled with a
> transformer, is the rest of the technology the same?  That is, would a
> British REN amplifier function on a line in the US?

Basic ringing voltage/frequency characteristics are close enough
between our two systems, but there are a couple of other things to
consider.

First, we use our own peculiar telephone jacks rather than RJ11
configuration, so if you're buying a residential-type plug-in booster
rather than a hardwired unit, you'd need adapter leads.

Second, normal telephone extension wiring here uses a 3-wire system,
with the bell feed on a separate wire.  (The bell capacitor is
actually located inside the main network interface and ringers are
then connected between the third wire and the tip lead throughout the
house.)  I'm not familiar with the circuitry of these boosters.  They
may just work on a straight tip/ring input and feed their own ringing
supply out on tip & ring with a capacitor coupling to the third wire
on the output, or they may only output ringing between the 3rd line
and tip (i.e. no ringing voltage would appear between across tip &
ring).  Depending upon the actual configuration you may have problems
connecting to a normal 2-wire American system.

At the current exchange rate 38 is about $68, plus postage, and you may get
hit with import duty as well.   Add the cost of a 240-120V transformer or
running a dedicated 240V line to the booster, and I would have thought you
could obtain a suitable unit within the U.S. at considerably lower cost.and
without any connection issues.

Oh, and the British units won't have FCC approval, of course!

Paul Coxwell
Norfolk, England.

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