From editor@telecom-digest.org Tue Oct 12 18:00:21 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i9CM0Kq16200; Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:00:21 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200410122200.i9CM0Kq16200@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #484 TELECOM Digest Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:00:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 484 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Telecom Update (Canada) #452, October 12, 2004 (Angus TeleManagement) Problem With Hotmail Premium Service (Marcus Jervis) Linksys Wireless A/G Media Center (Monty Solomon) Verizon Wins Critical Legal Battle to Protect Internet Users (M Solomon) TV Shows Uses Real Number -- Intentionally (Lisa Hancock) Basic Menu System Using VoIP? (James Bowery) Re: Deutsche Telekom AG Executives Reported To FBI! (Freespeechstore) Re: Two Way Radio Service (William Warren) Re: Two Way Radio Service (Amin) Re: Two Way Radio Service (NYC) Re: Two Way Radio Service (Rick Merrill) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:12:06 -0400 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #452, October 12, 2004 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 452: October 12, 2004 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** ALLSTREAM: www.allstream.com ** AVAYA: www.avaya.ca/en/ ** BELL CANADA: www.bell.ca ** CISCO SYSTEMS CANADA: www.cisco.com/ca/ ** ERICSSON: www.ericsson.ca ** MITEL NETWORKS: www.mitel.com/ ** SPRINT CANADA: www.sprint.ca ** UTC CANADA: www.canada.utc.org/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Allstream Intros Wholesale VoIP ** Telus Offers IP Migration for Centrex ** Spectrum Auction to Begin in January ** AT&T Takes Huge Writedown, Cuts Staff ** Ottawa Details Changes to Spectrum Policy ** Planning Begins for Area Codes 250, 403, 780 ** Amtelecom to Deploy Fixed Wireless ** International Action Hits Telemarketing Fraud ** CRTC Rejects Shaw Complaint on Telus Pricing ** Axia and Bell West Settle Dispute ** Globalive Completes Payphone Acquisition ** CRTC Won't Ban "Junk Voice Mail" ** Sprint VoIP Uses Lucent & Alpha Technology ** U.S. Court Upholds Do-Not-Call List ** Anik F2 in Commercial Operation ** Couch Potato Report Released ** Key Issues in the VoIP Debate ============================================================ ENTERPRISE TELECOM IN 2005: WHAT'S HOT, WHAT'S NOT, AND WHAT YOU MUST KNOW TO SUCCEED. That's the topic of Ian Angus's Opening Keynote session at Telemanagement Live, October 20-21 in Toronto. And it's really the theme of the entire event, the premier Canadian conference and exhibition on business networking and telecommunications. ** Complete a two-minute survey and WIN A FREE "All ACCESS" PASS to Telemanagement Live: See www.telemanagementlive.com/telecomupdatesurvey.html for full details. Deadline: Wednesday October 13, 6 p.m. Eastern Time. Telecom Update subscribers save $100 on all registrations. Call 866-309-227 or go to www.telemanagementlive.com. ============================================================ ALLSTREAM INTROS WHOLESALE VoIP: Allstream last week announced availability of "Network Resident IP Telephony," a wholesale service for ISPs and other service providers. Hamilton-based Mountain Cablevision, the first company to use the new offering to offer IP telephony to its customers, plans to bundle it with video and broadband access services. TELUS OFFERS IP MIGRATION FOR CENTREX: Telus plans to launch IP-One Evolution, providing an IP migration path for Centrex customers. The company says it will be available by the end of this year in Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver; in the first quarter of 2005 in Ottawa, Toronto, and Montreal; and by mid-2005 in other markets. ** Telus introduced a different service using the IP-One brand, targeted at small-to-medium sized PBX users, in Ontario last November. VP Tony Geheran said last week that they now expect to sell 1,800-2,000 lines of that service in the first year, one-tenth of the original forecast. SPECTRUM AUCTION TO BEGIN IN JANUARY: Industry Canada has announced that phase two of the 2300/3500 MHz spectrum auction will begin on January 10, to assign licences for which demand exceeds supply. (See Telecom Update #449) ** All phase-one bids are posted on the Department's website: uncontested licences (for which the opening bid is the final price), as well as licences for which two or more applicants placed opening bids. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/insmt-gst.nsf/en/sf01187e.html http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/insmt-gst.nsf/en/sf02009e.html AT&T TAKES HUGE WRITEDOWN, CUTS STAFF: AT&T Corp, the largest U.S. long distance carrier, will write down US$11.4 billion in assets in the third quarter, and is laying off 7,900 people in addition to the 4,900 previously announced. In total, the company's headcount will be down 20% over the year. OTTAWA DETAILS CHANGES TO SPECTRUM POLICY: Industry Canada has outlined revisions to spectrum utilization policies for services in the 3-30 GHz range. Comment is requested by early January on a number of new proposals, including: ** Making 28 GHz (LMCS) spectrum available in rural areas on a first-come, first-served basis, in at least three "licensable packages." (A national licence for this band was previously held by MaxLink but was returned to the Department.) ** Eliminating the spectrum cap for broadband licences in the 24, 28, and 38 GH bands. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/internet/insmt-gst.nsf/en/sf08217e.html PLANNING BEGINS FOR AREA CODES 250, 403, 780: CRTC Public Notices 2004-4 and 2004-5 create ad hoc committees to examine options for dealing with Area Codes 250 and 403, which are expected to run out of prefixes in 2009, and with 780, which will last until 2011. To participate, notify the CRTC by October 18. ** First meetings: Area Code 250 October 21-22, Kamloops Area Code 403 November 22-23, Calgary Area Code 780 November 25-26, Edmonton www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2004/pt2004-4.htm www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2004/pt2004-5.htm AMTELECOM TO DEPLOY FIXED WIRELESS: Independent telco Amtelecom will use SR Telecom's Angel fixed wireless technology to provide high-speed Internet access in parts of Elgin County, in association with Elgin Connects, a non- profit community group that has received funding under Industry Canada's BRAND program. The telco expects to complete first-stage deployment in December. INTERNATIONAL ACTION HITS TELEMARKETING FRAUD: An international effort dubbed Operation Roaming Charge last week announced that 135 people in six countries, including 20 in Canada, have been arrested in "the most extensive multinational enforcement operation ever directed at telemarketing fraud schemes." CRTC REJECTS SHAW COMPLAINT ON TELUS PRICING: Ruling on Shaw's 2003 complaint that Telus was offering Internet access at below-cost rates (see Telecom Update #401), the CRTC says Telus is not dominant in the high-speed Internet market, so its promotional offers do not constitute undue preference. www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2004/dt2004-66.htm AXIA AND BELL WEST SETTLE DISPUTE: Axia NetMedia says it has settled the outstanding issues in its dispute with Bell West over construction of Alberta SuperNet. (See Telecom Update #372, 375) The terms of the settlement were not released. GLOBALIVE COMPLETES PAYPHONE ACQUISITION: Canada Payphone Corporation is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Globalive Communications, which says it will increase revenue per payphone and provide better customer service, including faster response time for trouble tickets. (See Telecom Update #430, 432, 445) CRTC WON'T BAN "JUNK VOICE MAIL": CRTC Telecom Decision 2004- 65 rejects Bell Canada's application to disconnect Infolink Technologies, a company that delivers advertising messages to voice mail boxes. The Commission says that the service has generated few customer complaints, and that it is not as intrusive as Automatic Dialing and Announcement Devices that place regular phone calls. www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2004/dt2004-65.htm SPRINT VoIP USES LUCENT & ALPHA TECHNOLOGY: Sprint Canada says that its recently announced Internet Phone Service (See Telecom Update #441) uses Lucent gateways in the network and Alpha Telecom routers on customers' premises. U.S. COURT UPHOLDS DO-NOT-CALL LIST: The U.S. Supreme Court has rejected an appeal that claimed the government's nationwide Do Not Call list violates the constitutional rights of telemarketers. ANIK F2 IN COMMERCIAL OPERATION: Telesat says that it has begun delivering service using Anik F2, the world's largest commercial communications satellite. Anik F2, manufactured by Boeing, has 94 transponders: 38 Ka-band, 32 Ku-band, 24 C- band. COUCH POTATO REPORT RELEASED: The Convergence Consulting Group has released a new edition of The Battle for the North American Couch Potato: Bundling, Internet, TV, Telephone. www.convergenceonline.com KEY ISSUES IN THE VoIP DEBATE: After three very long days of CRTC hearings, there's still no consensus on how (or if) IP- based phone services should be regulated. The current issue of Telemanagement features an exclusive report and analysis by Lis Angus on the complex and critical issues the Commission must resolve. ** Also in this issue: John Riddell on open source alternatives for IP-PBXs and IP-Centrex, and Gerry Blackwell's report on how Canadian companies are implementing multimedia collaboration systems. 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The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ------------------------------ From: Marcus Jervis Subject: Problem With HotMail Premium Service Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 04:59:53 +0000 MSN doesn't talk about this, but it turns out if you upgrade to the paid Hotmail service from the free service, you lose the ability to sort your inbox. You can still do this with the free Hotmail service, either by date, reverse date, subject or sender. With the paid service, you are stuck with displaying the index in reverse date order, with the newest first. So there is no way to consecutively read your mail from oldest to newest. When you select a message to read, then delete it, you don't go to the next consecutive message, but any previous message. So to read the next consecutive message you have to exit the message, then select the next message from the inbox, read that, then exit, and so on. Not much fun. I verified this with MSN tech support after noticiing that only the paid accounts had this problem. Their answer was that in order to go to the new 2 GB service they had to make some changes. This is not a bug, but was done intentionally. Because the free accounts will soon offer 250 MB, I think it makes sense to close any paid accounts with Hotmail, unless you really need 8x as much space at 2 GB. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:39:17 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Linksys Wireless A/G Media Center Media Extender Provides Wireless Access to Movies, Music, and Photos Through Connected TVs and Stereo Systems From Windows Media Center PCs IRVINE, Calif., Oct. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Linksys(R), a division of Cisco Systems, Inc., the leading provider of broadband, wireless and networking hardware for the consumer, Small Office/Home Office (SOHO) and small business markets, today announced the new Wireless A/G Media Center Extender (WMCE54AG). The media extender enables users to wirelessly stream digital entertainment content such as music, videos or photos stored on a Microsoft Windows Media Center PC to their home entertainment center. Using a Wireless-A, Wireless-G, or wired Ethernet connection, the Media Center Extender streams homemade or downloaded premium movies and digital photos stored on a Windows Media Center PC to TVs around the home for the whole family to enjoy. A digital music collection or Internet radio station can play in full glory through a stereo system, freed from those little computer speakers. Users can also watch and pause live TV shows or record them digitally for viewing later. The Media Center Extender sits by a home stereo and television and connects to them using standard consumer electronic cables such as RCA connectors. It then communicates with the Media Center PC via a home network using Wireless-A or Wireless-G networking or if users prefer, it can be connected by use of 10/100 Ethernet cabling. Using the remote control and the user-friendly menus on your TV, users can quickly find the digital movies, TV shows, pictures or music on their Windows Media Center PC. Users can even chat with friends through Microsoft Windows Messenger while watching movies on the same screen. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=44202369 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:13:30 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon Wins Critical Legal Battle to Protect Internet Users' Verizon Wins Critical Legal Battle to Protect Internet Users' Privacy, Free Speech Rights and Personal Safety - Oct 12, 2004 12:48 PM (PR Newswire) Supreme Court Declines to Review Unanimous D.C. Circuit Decision in Favor of Internet Users' Privacy Rights WASHINGTON, Oct. 12 /PRNewswire/ -- As the result of a decision today by the United States Supreme Court, Verizon declared an important victory for the personal privacy, free expression rights and safety of the more than 100 million Internet users in the U. S. The court declined to review the unanimous decision of the District of Columbia Circuit Court of Appeals, which held that a wave of subpoenas seeking the names, addresses, and telephone numbers of thousands of Internet subscribers through a "rubber stamp" process was unlawful. The case is known as Recording Industry of America, Inc. (RIAA) v. Verizon Internet Services, Inc. (Verizon). The Court of Appeals decision, written by Chief Judge Douglas H. Ginsburg and handed down on Dec. 19, 2003, held that the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 (DMCA) did not authorize copyright holders and their agents to obtain a subpoena requiring the release of the name, address and telephone number of any Internet user based upon the filing of a one-page form with the clerk of the district court The D.C. Circuit's decision was hailed by legal scholars, the Internet community, and many consumer rights and public interest groups as a victory for consumer privacy and the First Amendment right to engage in anonymous speech on the Internet. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=44212301 ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) Subject: TV Shows Use Real Number - Intentionally Date: 12 Oct 2004 09:54:20 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Normally, when a TV show has a phone number it is a generic "555" number so that some real person isn't bothered by calls. But a recent TV show actually put out a real number. If someone called the number, there were asked to give a donation to a charity. Some shows mention websites that they actually create for the fans' entertainment. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What TV show was that, perhaps a telethon for the charity involved? PAT] ------------------------------ From: jim_bowery@hotmail.com (James Bowery) Subject: Basic Menu System Using VoIP? Date: 12 Oct 2004 13:14:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com I need a basic touch tone menuing system that receives (and places verification callback) calls via ethernet port using VoIP. No live humans are here at this end -- the live humans are calling not, fielding calls. Termination charges are presumed of course. The features: * Caller ID. * Call-back to purported Caller ID for spoofing prevention. * Touch tone recognition with call-out to customizable scripts (preferably perl) to store and provide canned voice file respones to data input. Oh, also I'd prefer it to run on an open source OS like Linux if at all possible. Thanks! ------------------------------ From: freespeechstore@aol.com (Freespeechstore) Subject: Re: Deutsche Telekom AG Executives Reported To FBI For Abuse! Date: 12 Oct 2004 06:59:30 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Name and email address withheld wrote in message news:: > Please remove my email address *and* name before posting! > On 11 Oct 2004 07:33:47 -0700, freespeechstore@aol.com > (Freespeechstore) posted: >> freespeechstore@aol.com (Freespeechstore) wrote in message >> news:<20041008112744.01575.00002304@mb-m28.aol.com>: >>> It appears that this ISP has serious problems as posted here and at >>> http://freespeechstore.com >>> Cut & paste the URL below to get more on these abusers: >> http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2205_Deutsche_Telekom_AG_E xecutives_Reported_To_FBI_For_Abuse!.htm >> http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2208_Why_viruses_spread__a nd_why_you_could_be_sued_for_it.htm >> http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2207_Listing_of_ISP_Server _Abuse_(LISA)..Probes__Viruses__Bogus_Inquiries__etc..htm > Oh no, not *this* guy again! Freespeechstore requires you to pay to > read this guy's rants. He had a bunch of nasty stuff to say about me > one time: > I got spam to several different accounts advertising the > freespeechstore.com site. I checked it out and signed up with a > disposable account. When I got more spam at other accounts (not the > one signed up), I reported it via spamcop.net. In response, he > complains to the ISP that hosts my domain, my employer (since I surfed > his site from work and he logs IP addresses), and spamcop. In > addition, he posted a rant "watch out for ... at domain ..." *and* > spammed several of my accounts with an announcement about it. > Fortunately, my employer threw his complaint in the bit bucket as did > my ISP. Spamcop wrote back a nasty note to him because he spammed them > and is well known on the abuse discussion groups. > I later got a call from some company in the guy's home town that did a > home inspection for a prospective buyer of the guy's house. They gave > the house a bad grade (the buyer was paying them); the buyer used the > report as a reason not to complete the sale. He attacked the company > on the web page, police reports, etc., etc., etc. > It seems that if you don't immediately agree with this guy's actions, > you're committing abuse. > Now, I believe in freedom of (truthful) expression. But when you have > to pay to read that expression, any "invitation" is, by definition, > SPAM. > Normally, I sign these things and include my name in postings, but > have asked PAT to exclude that information because I've already had > seriously negative interaction with this guy. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: As you requested, your identity was > deleted. I've received various mails from this fellow before, but > had not used his stuff; never even really looked at his site. But > this time, after publishing his note, I decided to go look at the > links he provided. I would have expected to get at least something > to read, but all of his links shown above point to a page where (as > you noted) he tries to sell the 'speeches' others have made. I was > not all that impressed with his site. PAT] A few points of clarification. Let's see if Pat publishes ... 1. The anonymous person posting his rebuttal appears to be ... http://freespeechstore.com/public/227_Complaints..Joey_Lindstrom__numan.co.uk__Gary_Numan__NuWorld__and_interocitor.net..Internet_Abuse!.htm 2. The inspection passed with flying colors, the inspector was incompetent. The person PAYING for the AmeriSpec Report (prospective buyer) made and offer and it was not accepted. The buyer was in love with the home. He gave the report to seller and the relationship was totally amicable! The inspection company left windows open, thermostats in energy deficient positions, lights on in crawl spaces, etc. Shoddy work and reported as such! http://freespeechstore.com/Qresults.asp?Search_Keyword=amerispec&btnSearch2=Find+Speech 3. FSS does not spam! Anybody can make a report to antispammers ... a well documented fact. The FSS email system works similar to the media, i.e. usatoday.com, but FSS has more controls, as well as instant and permanent opt-out! The site is not about negatively, but the speeches about such do get the most responses. Posting is FREE. Come on in and say something positive! Now, those are the facts ... FSS http://freespeechstore.com/ ------------------------------ Subject: Re: Two Way Radio Service From: William Warren Organization: Comcast Online Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:48:50 GMT On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 02:41:51 GMT, Gary Novosielski wrote: > Geller wrote: >> Is there any two-way radio service provider.? >> Can any one give me the list of service providers.?? > I'm a little confused. If you have a pair of two-way radios, and are > appropriately licensed where applicable, you just turn them on and use > them. There's no "provider" involved. > But you can send me money every month if you like. Some "trunked" systems, which utilize UHF repeaters with automatic frequency selection, require that the user be a member of the consortium which owns and operates the trunked repeaters and other infrastructure. Users also have the option of paying a commercial reseller, who is a member of the consortium and who aggregates usage from smaller shops. This applies, of course, only to trunked systems with a shared usage agreement. Radio owners with appropriate licenses may communicate directly via "simplex" (i.e., push-to-talk) operation, or might choose (again, with appropriate licensing) to erect and maintain their own repeater(s) for their exclusive use. Having an exclusive system means leasing tower space, erecting a shelter, and paying for a site survey, repeater radio(s), antennas, feedlines, technical help, electricity, and insurance. Trunked systems are less expensive: you buy your own radios, and the repeater group handles all the common equipment up on the hill. Trunked systems share a group of channels amoung all users, and _all_ the radios in a particular group automatically switch to an unused channel when any group user transmits. If this sounds a lot like Nextel, it is, but instead of a nationwide system where Nextel owns all the infrastructure, it's done on a much smaller scale. Trunked systems came first, and Nextel took it to the next level. Users of trunked systems have the advantage of _not_ being on common-carrier frequencies, so there's little chance of being out of service during a mass-calling event, and they're insulated from price hikes during the duration of their contract with the consortium or aggregator. OTOH, they must buy and maintain expensive radios, can't operate outside of their assigned area, and have no way to hook the system up to the PSTN. HTH. William (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ------------------------------ From: Amin Subject: Re: Two Way Radio Service Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 16:06:58 GMT Nextel is one of the orginal provider of PUSH-TO-TALK PTT service. It is just like two-way radio with wide coverage area in TDMA. There are many CDMA providers can to in a similar way in PTT services now. You can check it out. Geller wrote in message news:telecom23.482.10@telecom-digest.org: > Hey guys ... > Is there any two-way radio service provider.? > Can any one give me the list of service providers.?? > S.Geller > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can think of many 'two way radio > service providers'. Why don't you begin by being a bit more > precise as to your intended application. PAT] ------------------------------ From: NOTvalid@surplus4actors.INFO (NYC) Subject: Re: Two Way Radio Service Date: 11 Oct 2004 22:23:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com munited@gmail.com (Geller) wrote in message news:: > Hey guys ... > Is there any two-way radio service provider.? > Can any one give me the list of service providers.?? > S.Geller > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can think of many 'two way radio > service providers'. Why don't you begin by being a bit more > precise as to your intended application. PAT] There are lots of 'em in the Yellow Pages. ------------------------------ From: Rick Merrill Subject: Re: Two Way Radio Service Organization: Comcast Online Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:39:00 GMT Geller wrote: > Hey guys ... > Is there any two-way radio service provider.? > Can any one give me the list of service providers.?? > S.Geller > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can think of many 'two way radio > service providers'. Why don't you begin by being a bit more > precise as to your intended application. PAT] Some cell phones have a 'two-way radio'-like feature. I think the OP was asking if one could get that service without the cell phone bill. - RM ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. 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