From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Oct 11 13:40:49 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i9BHem502403; Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200410111740.i9BHem502403@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #482 TELECOM Digest Mon, 11 Oct 2004 13:41:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 482 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Deutsche Telekom AG Executives Reported To FBI For Abuse! (Freespeech) Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses (M Solomon) Re: Wireless and Wi-fi Definitions (John Levine) Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response = T911 (Lisa Hancock) Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming Service (Ariel) Re: Anti-Kerry Film Slated to Air on Eve of Election (Michael Covington) Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue (Tony P.) Re: B&K Precision Dynascan Corporation 1045 Product Tester (D VanHorn) Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response (Tony P.) Two Way Radio Service (Geller) Re: My Gripe With the Hype Around Skype and Five Good Reasons (Geller) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Date: 11 Oct 2004 07:33:47 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com freespeechstore@aol.com (Freespeechstore) wrote in message news:<20041008112744.01575.00002304@mb-m28.aol.com>: > It appears that this ISP has serious problems as posted here and at > http://freespeechstore.com > Cut & paste the URL below to get more on these abusers: http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2205_Deutsche_Telekom_AG_Executives_Reported_To_FBI_For_Abuse!.htm http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2208_Why_viruses_spread__and_why_you_could_be_sued_for_it.htm http://freespeechstore.com/public/Sub_Public5/2207_Listing_of_ISP_Server_Abuse_(LISA)..Probes__Viruses__Bogus_Inquiries__etc..htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:53:49 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Congress Close to Establishing Rules for Driver's Licenses By MATTHEW L. WALD WASHINGTON, Oct. 10 - Following a recommendation of the Sept. 11 commission, the House and Senate are moving toward setting rules for the states that would standardize the documentation required to obtain a driver's license, and the data the license would have to contain. Critics say the plan would create a national identification card. But advocates say it would make it harder for terrorists to operate, as well as reduce the highway death toll by helping states identify applicants whose licenses had been revoked in other states. The Senate version of the intelligence bill includes an amendment, passed by unanimous consent on Oct. 1, that would let the secretary of homeland security decide what documents a state would have to require before issuing a driver's license, and would also specify the data that the license would have to include for it to meet federal standards. The secretary could require the license to include fingerprints or eye prints. The provision would allow the Homeland Security Department to require use of the license, or an equivalent card issued by motor vehicle bureaus to nondrivers for identification purposes, for access to planes, trains and other modes of transportation. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/11/politics/11identity.html?ex=1255147200&en=e92e51cb9a7fe19e&ei=5090 ------------------------------ Date: 11 Oct 2004 03:15:02 -0000 From: John Levine Subject: Re: Wireless and Wi-fi Definitions Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA > Do wi-fi and wireless technology mean the same thing? Not really. WiFi is one popular wireless communication scheme known as 802.11b. (Some people also throw in its successor 802.11a.) Wireless is just what it sounds like, any communication scheme that doesn't use wires. Most people interpret it in the British sense to mean radio as opposed to other system like infrared that don't use wires. There is radio wireless computer communication that's not WiFi. Bluetooth, for example. Regards, John Levine johnl@iecc.com Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://www.johnlevine.com, Mayor "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Jeff nor Lisa) Subject: Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response = T911 Date: 10 Oct 2004 21:13:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Rick Merrill wrote: > Dont' try that in Massachusetts: MA law requires that the police pay a > visit to ANY 911 or E911 call no matter what! They can be mighty > "testy" about it. - RM That surprises me. In my state they normally send someone out too, but not "no matter what". As soon as they answered I said it was to test the line and they were glad to cooperate, after all, they don't want mismatches. Their automatic dispatch rule is more if they get a call where there's no one responding on the other end, and that makes sense. ------------------------------ From: ariel.burbaickij@gmail.com (Ariel Burbaickij) Subject: Re: Why There's no DNS or Comparable Distributed Naming Service Date: 11 Oct 2004 02:19:00 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com DevilsPGD wrote in message news:: > Ariel.Burbaickij@web.de wrote: >> Could someone explain to me why there is no such service as DNS/whois >> towards it in SS7 network? After all, we have exactly same concerns >> here (distributed and independent administration of different subsets >> of address space, mapping must be often provided between pointcodes >> (numerical address) and its current owner), so why it was decided not >> to do it this way but instead some arcane lists are distributed by ITU >> exclusively? > The internet didn't start out with DNS either -- Or BGP even, > everybody distributed routing tables and changes manually. > As neat as DNS on phones would be, it would be extremely difficult to > implement at this stage, and with LNP becoming a reality in the US > (and possibly elsewhere as time goes on) it's less important (from an > end user point of view.) I know that Internet didn't have DNS from the very beginning -- it made fairly decent progress till today, though, if you noticed ;-). I am not talking abount DNS on phones (actually it does exist in the form of ENUM and related project and naming scheme for e164 set also exists for sure). I am talking about DNS for pointcodes, i.e. for switches (phone switches just to avoid any misunderstanding). There is no dns-like efforts for this and for reasons unknown to me, ITU standards that normally tend to foreseen each and everything scenarion and are so heavily packaged with required features do not even mention this possibility. With Best Regards, Ariel Burbaickij ------------------------------ From: Michael A. Covington Subject: Re: Anti-Kerry Film Slated to Air on Eve of Election Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:57:25 -0400 Organization: Speed Factory (http://www.speedfactory.net) Michael A. Covington wrote in message news:telecom23.481.1@telecom-digest.org: > The FCC abandoned the equal time rule in 1987 on the ground that it > was unconstitutional, an infringement of freedom of the press. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Oh, indeed, 'Freedom of the Press'. Well > we certainly don't want to step on the toes of the New York Times, do > we ... or Fox or CBS or the other big shots in the press. PAT] On the other hand CBS would very much like to silence "the bloggers," one of whom is apparently me. (http://www.covingtoninnovations.com/michael/blog/0409/index.html#040911)! [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, but you see, CBS is something special, something different. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Tony P. Subject: Re: Monthly Bill Fatigue Organization: ATCC Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:27:49 GMT In article , monty@roscom.com says: > Service Add-Ons Nibble at Incomes > By Christopher Stern > Washington Post Staff Writer > Satellite radio. Cell phone. High-speed Internet service. Matt Botwin, > a Washington consultant, has it all -- and the bills that go with his > growing bundle of technology. > With each new service, more of Botwin's monthly income is spoken for. > A generation ago, mortgages, utilities and newspaper subscriptions > made up a short list of payments due each month. Now Americans pay an > average of 12 bills a month, including fees for a broad range of > services such as television programming, home security-system > monitoring and online gaming Web sites. And each individual bill may > increase as consumers add incremental improvements such as Internet > access to their cell phones and premium channels to their satellite > radio service. > Botwin figures that he spends at least $250 a month on his > subscription services. "I'm not happy about it. It's a lot," Botwin > said. But he also feels that his digital devices and services are > necessities. The Sirius satellite radio is indispensable for his > frequent drives to New York and Philadelphia. "It's like any luxury. > I didn't think I needed a microwave [oven], but I'm sure glad I have > it now." > Economists and academics are beginning to grow concerned about > Americans' willingness to cede a regular chunk of their monthly > paychecks to new conveniences and services, saying it is taking a > serious bite out of discretionary spending, a key driver of the > nation's economy. They also worry that new services are contributing > to a growing divide between consumers who have the means to secure > special treatment, such as access to free-rolling highway lanes, while > others are stuck in bumper-to-bumper standstills. > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A19377-2004Oct9.html Interesting article. Friends and I discuss what we think the next big event in U.S. history will be and we all agree that it will be the war between those who have and those who have not. It won't be among racial lines although at the beginning it will appear that way because the most economically disenfranchised tend to be minorities. Right now I've got cable and phone+DSL, that's it. The cell phone is office provided and used only for official business. I've been resistant to Sirius and the like because I honestly don't need it. ------------------------------ From: Dave VanHorn Subject: Re: B&K Precision Dynascan Corporation 1045 Telephone Product Test Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:46:17 -0500 It should show the number that you dialed, and your phone ringer should respond at most if not all levels of the ringer output. Sounds like it's got a power supply failure. I used to use about 10 of those, to test incoming telco products from Taiwan. KC6ETE Dave's Engineering Page, www.dvanhorn.org Microcontroller Consultant, specializing in Atmel AVR ------------------------------ From: Tony P. Subject: Re: 911 Address Display Delays Police Response Organization: ATCC Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:30:50 GMT In article , kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net says: > In article , hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com > says: >>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is unfortunate, but not unusual, >>> since it would appear the bank branch was on the *bank's* telephone >>> system (sort of like a foreign exchange on the bank's centrex) instead >>> of on the *Albertson's* phone system. Of course there is no guarentee >>> that the Albertson's phone system was not part of some phone system at >>> Albertson's headquarters instead of based out of that local store as >>> well. >> Yes, this is an increasing problem with more sophisticated telephone >> systems. Telephone administrators may be far, far away setting these >> things up and not even thinking about local needs. >> Also, sometimes outward lines are from a special battery of numbers. >>> So this should be a good lesson to the telecom adminstrators in >>> our readership. Make certain all *critical* phones at locations other >>> than your main, directory-listed business location are correctly >>> listed in 911 databases, etc. PAT] >> When our mgmt company went to a Centrex, I checked our office and pool >> phone to ensure they registered the right address on 911. They did >> and 911 was very helpful in checking. >> Of course, when we had a community president who felt the pool >> phone was being abused she had it taken out to save money. A >> great example of _literally_ 'penny smart dollar foolish'. Fortunately >> we had no emergencies while the phone was out. This president was >> proud of her no-fee-increase budget, but then she was thrown out of >> office by a community angry over deferred and neglected maintenance. >> The pool phone was restored. But at first it was in locked >> cabinet which would be bad if there was an emergency. Now it is >> open. >> The issue is kind of moot now since so many people have cell phones, >> but at least we have a phone. >> We used to get a lot of requests for a pay phone but Bell told us we >> wouldn't have enough use to pay for it and have to make up the >> difference. > Interestingly the State of Rhode Island is considering VoIP for all > its offices. Somehow I suspect they have completely forgotten about > E911 in this process. > Add to the fact the several hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of > AT&T/Lucent/Avaya G3i cabinets as well as other systems in place. The > interesting thing is that the G3iV11 can do VoIP but we've already got > all the wiring in place for the current station setup. > Oh well. Yet another time the hype exceeds the reality. > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Maybe what will happen, if Rhode Island > goes through with this plan, the end result will be to force the E-911 > proponents to change *their* way of doing things. Why is it that E-911 > (and by extension, conventional telephony) is so great and VOIP is > such a bad deal? How did we get along for the first seventy years of > the 20th century before there was any such thing as 911? The first > instance of 911 was in the middle 1970's, and it was sometime in > the 1980's before it was installed everywhere. Prior to 911, most > Americans dialed either (exchange)-1313 or (exchange)-2121 or some > other simple repetitive number. In Chicago, for example, we dialed > POLice-5-1313 and got along quite fine. Why can't we still do that? > Is 911 that great of a deal? PAT] It's because that requires you to know something beyond a simple 9-1-1. Providence police still have their 272-1111 and I think PFD is 272-3344. But ask me what the numbers are for Pawtucket, or Warwick and I have no idea. But I do know that E-911 is state wide so that is what I'll use. The only reason I malign VoIP for established environments is that you're basically throwing away infrastructure while at the same time increasing the up-front expense of beefing up your networks to handle the VoIP gear. The state isn't know for making smart decisions. This one is a definite groaner. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But the 'established environments' can use the 272-1111 number can't they, since I imagine most everyone knows it. And since most every police department, I think, still has those old numbers around, why don't they at least adjust their so- called PSAP to ring in on those old numbers, like Independence has done. So if a call to 911 goes to realtime newer E-911 or it goes to the older style number, the police get it either way. It seems to me police are playing politics with people's safety, by saying 'either you do it our way or your life will be in danger, etc'. It seems to me like another example of the public servants saying 'we will set the pace, you will do as we tell you.' And if they can toss in a few red-herrings about public safety on the way, so much the better. PAT] ------------------------------ From: munited@gmail.com (Geller) Subject: Two Way Radio Service Date: 11 Oct 2004 09:01:14 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Hey guys ... Is there any two-way radio service provider.? Can any one give me the list of service providers.?? S.Geller [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I can think of many 'two way radio service providers'. Why don't you begin by being a bit more precise as to your intended application. PAT] ------------------------------ From: munited@gmail.com (Geller) Subject: Re: My Gripe With the Hype Around Skype and Five Good Reasons Date: 11 Oct 2004 09:07:10 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com laporte_leo@yahoo.com (Leo) wrote in message news:: > Monty Solomon wrote in message > news:: >> My gripe with the hype around Skype and five good reasons why you >> shouldn't cancel your other phone services just yet. >> I've been giving a lot of thought to all the hype that Skype has been >> getting as of late. So much has been said about the great aspects of >> Skype, of which there are a few, that in the interest of balancing >> this with a bit of perspective on the downsides, I thought I'd throw a >> few of my own opinions into the ring for you all to chew on. >> http://apple.weblogsinc.com/entry/7391864753130518/ > I think Skype is goin to see competition in the market in near future > ... new competitors like dingotel.com will make the these VOIP based > services improved better. Yeah ... I heard this dingotel very useful. I like the phone product. Their site says that they have some walkie talkie stuff for push to talk over the net -- sounds cool. I think you can try it ... ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. 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