From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Sep 1 14:23:50 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id i81INo708930; Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:23:50 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200409011823.i81INo708930@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #408 TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Sep 2004 14:21:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 408 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Vonage(R) Now Available Nationally at Office Depot (Decker - VOIP News) Bright House Launches Online Phone Service (Jack Decker - VOIP News) AT&T Chief Refuses to 'Miss' VoIP (Jack Decker - VOIP News) Quintum Configuration AXM 800 (Waez) AT&T System 25 Help (REC Networks) Sendmail Searches for Antispam Testers (Monty Solomon) Re: Considering VoIP For Home? Think About AT&T CallVantage (charlie3) Re: Spoofing Caller-ID (John R. Covert) Re: Spoofing Caller-ID (Fileseeker) Re: Spoofing Caller-ID (Hank Karl) Re: Website Offers Caller I.D. Falsification Service (DevilsPGD) Re: Caller ID Falsification Service (Sent by a Gnu) (Tim@Backhome.org) Re: Obituary: Walter J. Zenner, 1904-2004 (AES/newspost) Re: Obituary: Walter J. Zenner, 1904-2004 (Kenneth P. Stox) Re: Verizon Cable TV? (Lisa Hancock) Re: PBX, NBX? (Justin Time) Re: You Can Still Send a Western Union Mailgram (Jim Haynes) Re: You Can Still Send a Western Union Mailgram (Ray Normandeau) Moderator's 'Home Brew' Computer (Mark Smith) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Decker Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:27:23 -0400 Subject: Vonage(R) Now Available Nationally at Office Depot Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2004/0002242001&EDATE= Vonage is now Available in Nearly 7,000 Retail Stores EDISON, N.J., Sept. 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Vonage, the leading broadband phone company, today announced Office Depot will now sell its affordable, enhanced IP-communications services in over 700 of its stores and online at http://www.officedepot.com . High-speed Internet customers, who have a standard telephone, can sign up for Vonage service by purchasing one of two Vonage starter kits at Office Depot, both featuring Linksys devices. Either device offers customers the ability to select one of several flat-rate, full-featured residential and small business broadband telephony calling plans in the U.S. and Canada starting at $14.99. "The national roll out of Vonage's broadband telephony product at Office Depot presents a great opportunity, which will allow us to prove the value of our products on retail shelves," said Daniel Elwell, director of New Business Development for Vonage. "We are looking forward to transform the telecommunications industry with successful sales margins with one of the nation's top retailers, as Office Depot's market savvy and educated sales representatives demonstrate the value of broadband phone service to an untapped market segment." Full press release at: http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/09-01-2004/0002242001&EDATE= How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home: http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/ ------------------------------ From: Jack Decker Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 09:29:34 -0400 Subject: Bright House Launches Online Phone Service Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040901/NEWS/409010364/1178 By LOUIS HAU St. Petersburg Times Bright House Networks said Monday it has launched Internet phone service throughout Pinellas and Hillsborough counties, putting the Tampa Bay area's dominant cable company in direct competition with Verizon Communications. Bright House plans to add phone service in Pasco County and Polk County by the end of September and in Hernando and Citrus counties by the end of December. [.....] But Bright House's offering also differs from those competing Internet services in key ways. Most importantly, Bright House says that emergency 911 calls made through its phone service will be routed directly to an emergency dispatcher, who will be able to trace the call immediately. Vonage and AT&T route such calls to an intermediary office, which forwards the call to an emergency dispatcher. In addition, a customer signing up for Bright House's phone service doesn't need to purchase a high-speed broadband connection to use it. Instead, a highspeed modem is included in the price of the service. "We're here to replace your existing phone service, not to be an adjunct to it," said Terri McNulty, vice president of high-speed online services for Brigh House Tampa Bay. Full story at: http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040901/NEWS/409010364/1178 ------------------------------ From: Jack Decker Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:21:55 -0400 Subject: AT&T Chief Refuses to 'Miss' VoIP Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com http://news.com.com/2008-7352_3-5329496.html By Dawn Kawamoto and Ben Charny Staff Writer, CNET News.com David Dorman, AT&T's chief executive, is determined not to let history repeat itself. Ma Bell -- under prior management in the 1990s -- let the Internet revolution slip from its grasp, as companies like America Online, EarthLink and MSN grabbed the lead in providing Internet access. Now amid cutthroat pricing, rival MCI's emergence from bankruptcy, and a regulatory climate that led AT&T to step away from consumer telephone service, the company is relying on voice over Internet Protocol, or VoIP, as one of the tools to accelerate growth in its business segment. That segment, which comprises about 75 percent of AT&T's approximately $30 billion in annual revenue, may not receive a huge windfall in revenue from Net telephony. But VoIP, which allows businesses and consumers to make inexpensive phone calls via the Internet, plays a significant role in AT&T's long-term strategy of being the next HBO-like service to cable companies and the Baby Bells. Dorman, who recently met with reporters and editors from CNET News.com, talked about his company's views and strategy on VoIP and AT&T's CallVantage program. Full story at: http://news.com.com/2008-7352_3-5329496.html ------------------------------ From: pexavoip@yahoo.ca (Waez) Subject: Quintum Configuration AXM 800 Date: 31 Aug 2004 16:31:33 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com When we set the IVR to other than type 0 or 1, we get a busy tone, no IVR prompts. The tenor logs are : ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 CasManager: [2,0,1,1] Received message fr om cas: Setup. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 CallInfo [5]: origCalled.digit() callingp arty () . ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 CasManager: [2,0,1,1] Sent message to cas : Call-Proc. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 Routing requested for: public(1) orig= pu blic(0) normalized=1111* route code= tg=0. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 1 match(es) found: 0 ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 Route response [5]: result=1 cause=0. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 TermIVRradius [5]: peerRcvSetup excp |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 Exceeds muximum ports allowed: 0, 0 excp |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:720 Failed to allocate a Full Duplex channel. excp |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 TermIVRradius [5]: Dsp allocate error. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 TermIVRradius [0]: Aborting IVR cause=41. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 OBCSM[5]: Release from peer=0x962be998 ca use=0x29 redir=. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 OBCSM[5]: Trying another route. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 Route response [5]: result=0 cause=34. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CallInfo [5]: account =67.69.33.212. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CallInfo [5]: SetAcctSessionTime(10937296 07),discTicks 1093729607, connTicks 0 ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CallInfo [5]: cause =41. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CallInfo [5]: send stopAccount. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CasManager: [2,0,1,1] Sent message to cas : Alert. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 CasManager: [2,0,1,1] Received message fr om cas: InbandSigDone. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:47:725 tsi connect: 000 1002 10 ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CasManager: [2,0,1,1] Received message fr om cas: RelComp. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CallInfo[5]: disconnected event. cause=16 legno=0. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CallInfo [5]: account =67.69.33.212. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CallInfo [5]: SetAcctSessionTime(10937296 09),discTicks 1093729609, connTicks 0 ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CallInfo [5]: cause =16. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 CallInfo [5]: send stopAccount. ch |01/01| 2004/08/28|21:46:49:950 tsi disconnect: 000 1002 10 How can I resolve that? And also how can we get the IVR prompts for the other languages? We tried to create other folders in IVR folder ( thru ftp ), but we can't. How can we do that ? Thanks. ------------------------------ From: REC Networks Subject: AT&T System 25 Help Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 22:14:12 -0700 I have just got my hands on an AT&T System 25. I believe that it has the last release (R3V3). It has a ZTN142C processor card. The second card is a ZTN131. I am trying to build an octopus cord with a 25 pair Amphenol (telco) connector on one end a a 9 pin female D-Sub connector on the other end. The AT&T installation manual shows a possible pinout of the first data port (for the administration terminal) as: 26-RD SG-1 27- DCD-2 28-DTR TD-3 Does anyone know how to wire this up so I can access my system? Any help would be appreciated. Rich Eyre for REC Networks REC Networks - http://www.recnet.com - Bringing you fun and culture since 1984. http://www.animehardcoreradio.net - Anime Hardcore Radio - 24 hour a day anime! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 08:26:26 -0400 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sendmail Searches For Antispam Testers By Robert Lemos Staff Writer, CNET News.com Sendmail has taken a first stab at software to authenticate the source of e-mail messages, a technology that will be key to preventing the proliferation of spam. The company released a module for its Sendmail e-mail server software that attempts to verify the source of messages to help Internet users block mail from unwanted senders. The technique is part of a developing Internet standard known as Sender ID . http://news.com.com/2100-1032-5330638.html ------------------------------ From: charlie@cdsdetroit.com (charlie3) Subject: Re: Considering VoIP For Home? Think Twice About AT&T CallVantage Date: 1 Sep 2004 09:01:16 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com I have Vonage set to ring my cell and Vonage phone simultaneously so I can answer the call with either phone. At home I hear both phones ring at the same time. I have voicemail set up so that Vonage voicemail picks up the call before cell phone voicemail so all my voice messages are on Vonage. I can check Vonage voice mail with the cell phone, a land line, over the internet or from the Vonage phone. If the cell phone was in range during the missed call I will see a missed call message on the cell phone and often the missed call number as well. I don't see the missed call name on the cell phone unless the caller is in my cell phone list. If the Vonage box is disconnected or the network is down I have Vonage set to forward all calls to my cell phone. Vonage will forward calls only to one non Vonage phone but to more than one Vonage account. It would be convenient for me if Vonage would allow more than one non Vonage phone for simultaneous ring but that limitation is not enough to push me to another provider. My Vonage account has my 20+ years home phone number ported to it. Unlike old fashioned call forwarding, simultaneous ring is set and forget. People need only one number to find me. They don't need to know I have a cell phone. My cell phone minutes at home are zero so I need half the cell minutes of most people who rely on cell phones. When I pick up my Vonage phone I hear a dial tone, my call goes through, the person I'm talking to does not notice we are on an internet phone. When I leave the house the house phone is clipped to my belt, there is no cell phone number as a practical matter. Occaisionally my network goes down or the Vonage box is disconnected for travel. Then the cell phone backs me up both for incoming and outgoing calls. These occasions have been so rare there has been little impact on my cell phone minutes. There is a learning curve with VOIP. Expect some glitches. I advise my friends who are interested to have either a cell phone or traditional phone for backup. I also advise forwarding the house phone to the Vonage phone for a testing period of a few months before porting the house phone to Vonage. For me Vonage is the right product for the right price. If the quality of service stays as it is I won't be needing a tradiational house phone now or in the future. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 07:15:02 -0400 (EDT) From: John R. Covert Subject: Re: Spoofing Caller-ID Jack Adams wrote: > I'm guessing that this firm uses in-band 202 signalling to "overwrite" > any normal CLID message Your guess would be wrong. As the article said, "Caller ID spoofing has for years been within the reach of businesses with certain types of digital connections to their local phone company, and more recently has become the plaything of hackers and pranksters exploiting permissive voice over IP systems." Using in-band 202 signalling would only spoof an ancient, poorly designed, caller-id box, and would not even be noticed on a cellphone or by caller-id on call-waiting. And even for landline phones, all CID boxes made in recent memory only accept one caller-id, the one sent immediately after the first ring, when the caller does not yet have an in-band connection, and cannot be spoofed once the in-band connection is set up when the called party goes off-hook. In band spoofing also wouldn't change what appears on my phone bill which lists the caller ID and name of all incoming callers. This firm is clearly doing it the way the article stated. Now that Ma Bell is no longer in complete control of everything, this has become very easy to do. If you'd like a demonstration, contact me. nospamtd is not my email username, but a good guess would probably be right. And I'll tell you what number you're calling from, even if you blocked caller ID (but not if you're coming from somewhere that sends no calling number information at all). /john ------------------------------ From: Fileseeker Subject: Re: Spoofing Caller-ID Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 10:34:18 -0400 Organization: Cox Communications Jack Adams wrote in message news:telecom23.406.2@telecom-digest.org: > I'm guessing that this firm uses in-band 202 signalling to "overwrite" > any normal CLID message that's been launched from ISUP. Technically, > it isn't a big deal. > It's been a while since I knew what was required but if memory serves > this is prohibited under some sort of law? I recall that this was not > permitted but I don't know for sure if it was for legal or regulatory > reasons. > Then again, all of this seems to be fair game these days. > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/30/caller_id_falsify/ So called "Orange" boxes of both the h/w and s/w variety have been available for several years. They overwrite the CID device with sound files that can cause user defined numbers to appear on CID. Only works with CID/call waiting boxes. ------------------------------ From: Hank Karl Subject: Re: Spoofing Caller-ID Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 12:01:40 -0400 Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/ On 31 Aug 2004 06:22:46 -0700, adamsjac@telcordia.com (Jack Adams) wrote: > I'm guessing that this firm uses in-band 202 signalling to "overwrite" > any normal CLID message that's been launched from ISUP. Technically, > it isn't a big deal. It may not be in-band 202 signaling. There's been discussion in either c.d.t or c.d.voice-over-ip regarding the ability of VoIP providers to spoof caller-id. You need a VoIP device that allows you to fill in the desired caller-id, and a service that has SS7 connectivity, and will pass the caller-id without verification. Its also "well known" that some CO switches may not verify the supplied caller-id on a PRI, so all you need is a PBX that lets you configure your own caller-id. > It's been a while since I knew what was required but if memory serves > this is prohibited under some sort of law? I recall that this was not > permitted but I don't know for sure if it was for legal or regulatory > reasons. > Then again, all of this seems to be fair game these days. > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/08/30/caller_id_falsify/ ------------------------------ From: DevilsPGD Subject: Re: Website Offers Caller I.D. Falsification Service Reply-To: bond-jamesbond@crazyhat.net Organization: EasyNews, UseNet made Easy! Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:32:40 GMT In message tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) wrote: >> Slated for launch next week, Star38.com would offer subscribers a >> simple Web interface to a Caller I.D. spoofing system that lets them >> appear to be calling from any number they choose. "It creates an extra >> avenue for them to have someone pick up the phone," says founder Jason >> Jepson. > Excellent! In no time at all, Caller ID will be absolutely useless, > then the phone companies will start giving away the service instead of > charging extra for it so the folks who make caller ID boxes and phones > can unload all their hardware just before they stop supporting caller > ID completely :-). There is a simple fix. Add a bankruptcy-shielded $1,000,000 fine (Including asset forfeiture) for anyone who spoofs CID, if the victim complains. This would include anyone who authorized, enabled or assisted the CID spoofing, including telcos which failed to take appropriate steps to prevent their customers from spoofing CID, principles of the company who spoofed the CID, and the actual individual who made the call. Complaints would be registered by dialing *55, which would not only "tag" The call in the telcos database, but immediately inform you whether ANI and CID matches. The fine would be paid 25% to the recipient of the call, 25% to the telco (which would be the telco's incentive to offer *55), 25% to the bounty hunter and/or repo crew to collect the assets, and 25% to the gov't. Court costs would come from the repo crew and gov't shares equally. I can bet that after approximately five such fines across the US as a whole, CID spoofing would be a thing of the past. Now ... What if you can't trace where the call originated, one of the telcos happened to "lose" the ANI information? Welp, the buck stops when you can't trace the call any further. In other words, each telco that the call passes through is responsible for payment unless they can demonstrating where the call entered their network. HAM AND EGGS: A day's work for a chicken; A lifetime commitment for a pig ------------------------------ From: Tim@Backhome.org Subject: Re: Caller ID Falsification Service (Sent by a Gnu) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 00:31:52 -0700 Organization: Cox Communications > [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, you know what is good for the > goose is also good for the gander as they say. Debtors can also use > that service to spoof the skip tracers and bill collectors. For > example, a common technique used by skip tracers who cannot find your > phone number anywhere is to send you a letter from some bogus company > telling you that you have won a prize; to claim the prize all you have > to do is call us on this (toll free) number and punch in the 'extension' > number shown. The letter is vague enough that they do not have to > award any prizes, but they do match up *your* phone number (which is > what they really wanted; you cannot hide it when you call an 800 number) > and the specifics of your alleged indebtedness (the 'extension' number > you were asked to punch in when you called), and you can be sure you > will get a callback rather soon from some no-nonsense person who would > like to speak with you about your debt. They don't all bother with the > ruse of telling you that you won a prize, some skip tracers employ > young ladies to write cozy, friendly, occassionally lurid letters > using pink felt tip markers to guys (males, it seems, make up the > majority of skip-traceable [or hard-core] debtors) claiming to be a > long-lost friend (of the opposite sex of course; what guy would not > fall for that one and eagerly return the call). "Call me on my office > line at 800-xxx-xxxx and ask for extension xxxxx so we can renew our > friendship." Men are always getting lured into that trap I am sorry > to say. > Now imagine for a minute if you *did* return those absolutely wicked, > nosy, spying phone calls to (a) claim your 'prize' or (b) meet the > person who had been 'flirting' with you but you returned the call via > this new web site phalsification service and gave your caller ID > blast as 202-456-1414 or whatever. But this new web site costs money > for your phalse ID calls; why should you have to pay for the service > when you could use your FWD/Pulver phone (which can call USA toll > frees and gives an NYC 212 number for the caller-ID blast.) Wheeee! > And a good time was had by all. PAT] These jerks claim they are going to offer the service only to collection agencies and such. I believe it will force the FCC to expand its 1995 Calller ID ruling to prevent spoofing. The FCC still owes everyone a further decision from that 9 year old ruling pertaining to whether, or when, PBXes must send calling party number identification (the calling party's part of the caller id "deal.") ------------------------------ From: AES/newspost Subject: Re: Obituary: Walter J. Zenner, 1904-2004 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:01:02 -0700 In article , Sam Etler wrote: > A good description of Zener Diodes is located here: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zener_diode A nice description indeed -- except it says the pronunciation is "ZEN-ur", which I would take to mean as in "Zen Buddhism", and I've always heard it pronounced as "ZEEN-ur" (or "ZINE-ur", as in "magazine"). ????? ------------------------------ From: Kenneth P. Stox Organization: Imaginary Landscape, LLC. Subject: Re: Obituary: Walter J. Zenner, 1904-2004 Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:22:04 GMT Jim Haynes wrote: > See Who's Who in Engineering for 1940s-1950s > Chicago native Walt Zenner was a graduate of Armour Institute, now > Illinois Institute of Technology. He worked for Teletype Corp. from > 1925 until he retired in 1965, when he was V.P. of R&D. Then he > co-founded Extel. For those who don't know the joke, Extel was short for Ex-teletype. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) Subject: Re: Verizon Cable TV? Date: 1 Sep 2004 07:01:13 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Isaiah Beard wrote: > Funny that. Considering the poor reliability, price gouging and > community disrepect earned by Verizon, I couldn't wait to get VoIP > over a cable broadband connection and drop Verizon for good. :) I have found Verizon service to be very good. My long distance costs went down and service quality went up when they were allowed to offer their own long distance. I dumped AT&T. Verizon had to enlarge their central office and worked hard with the town to preserve nearby Victorian homes (which they owned; one was the exchange 50 years ago) as well as make the building fit into the historic district. Part of the need for enlargement was to accomodate competitor's switchgear. > I guess it depends on where you live. Cable and telephone have both > been prevailing regulated monopolies for a long time, and depending on > where you live, one or the other is the lesser of two evils that you > must pick from. If only DBS didn't have such a horrible latency > problem, we could all drop both services. I thought cable TV was deregulated nationally; in my area it's been deregulated for some time. The prices have gone up. Certain premium local telephone services have been deregulated, but AFAIK in my area the price has not gone up. ------------------------------ From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time) Subject: Re: PBX, NBX? Date: 1 Sep 2004 07:53:18 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com paxsonc001@hawaii.rr.com (Calvin) wrote in message news:: > Hi all, > I work for a small school and we are getting ready to upgrade our very > old Meridian phone system to something a bit newer ... however we are > having a tough time deciding what to use. Are there any good websites > out their that we can use as a resource to figure out some of the > differences? For instance, what is the difference between an Avaya > Diffinity and a Partner? What systems do viop? How does a Cisco > system compare to a 3com nbx? > Any guidance would be appreciated. A little about us: > We are located on a 3 acre campus. We have a network running between > about 12 small buildings. We want to install about 20 extensions, as > well as a couple of analog cordless phones. We want to be able to use > our existing network to minimize wiring costs/ maximize flexability. > What else would you like to /need to know? Ask me anything and i will > tell you what I can. > Thanks in advance, > Cal If the only reason for installing a new phone system is to gain access to new features, have you checked into upgrades to your Meridian from Nortel? It may be the cheaper -- as in less expensive -- way to go as you may be able to continue to use the same desksets rather than having to buy new. That, and you are already familiar with any administration you perform. The new Nortel system wouldn't force you to learn a completely new interface. Oh, I don't work for Nortel, never have and don't even sell their systems. Rodgers Platt ------------------------------ Subject: Re: You Can Still Send a Western Union Mailgram Reply-To: jhaynes@alumni.uark.edu Organization: University of Arkansas Alumni From: haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 02:45:03 GMT In article , Lisa Hancock wrote: > The Western Union website IIRC says Mailgrams are no longer provided. > Could it be that the Mailgram is provided by a separate company? Well it could be that New Valley sold the "Western Union Mailgram" service mark to someone other than the buyer of the Western Union money transfer service -- I don't know. The preprinted form, blue on white paper, says "Western Union Messaging Services" with the Western Union in the familiar shape of one word above the other and a vertical line to the right. Then Messaging Services is in fine print under that. And then it says United States Postal Service with the USPS eagle logo. And has the number 800-325-6000 printed on the back. jhhaynes at earthlink dot net ------------------------------ From: rayta@msn.com (Ray Normandeau) Subject: Re: You Can Still Send a Western Union Mailgram Date: 31 Aug 2004 21:14:28 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock) wrote in message news:: > haynes@alumni.uark.edu (Jim Haynes) wrote: >> Because I just received one today. There's a toll-free number on >> the back to reply by Mailgram - 800-325-6000 > The Western Union website IIRC says Mailgrams are no longer provided. > Could it be that the Mailgram is provided by a separate company? Could it be that the Postal Service delivery service quality control has fallen futher then I suspect. I am expecting a package that says attempted delivery, and that a note was left when no attempt was made. This is as per USPS WWW tacking site. I think the workers just scan the pacjage and let it sit at the Post Office. ------------------------------ From: Mark Smith Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 13:11:22 PDT Subject: Moderator's 'Home Brew' Computer Reply-To: telecom-news@yahoogroups.com TELECOM Digest Editor explained his 'home brew' computer: > There is a slot to install another 1.44 mb floppy if desired and a > space to install a larger old style 5 1/2 inch floppy if I wanted, > or another CD-DVD thing if I wished, but I do not know where those > latter two slots (if I were to fill them with devices) would plug > in; the ribbon connectors inside are all in use as I recall. There should be two connectors on the floppy drive cable. The old ones had a flip on the address lines, but sometimes jumpers are used. With all your drives power connectors are more likely to be a problem, but luckily power twinning cables are available. The last time I installed a 5 1/4" floppy, I ended up salvaging a floppy cable from a 286 because new computers only have the "small" floppy connector. The 286s would have one large and one small. If you wanted to use two 3 1/2" floppies you would get an adapter from large to small. The reverse are not commonly available. Mark L. Smith smith@stones.com http://smith.freehosting.net ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'. TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. 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