From editor@telecom-digest.org Fri Jul 30 21:27:33 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.3) id i6V1RWD00607; Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:27:33 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:27:33 -0400 (EDT) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200407310127.i6V1RWD00607@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #357 TELECOM Digest Fri, 30 Jul 2004 21:28:00 EDT Volume 23 : Issue 357 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Jeff Pulver's Planned Opening Remarks For Panel I of FCC (VOIP News) Gatekeeper to Gatekeeper in Linux (kelvinkmk) Re: History of TV (was Bare-Bones DNC Coverage) (Paul Coxwell) Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins - Ship High In Transit (Ted Klugman) Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins (Paul Vader) Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins (Charles Cryderman) Re: PayPal Notice of Pendency of Class Action (William Robison) Re: PayPal Notice of Pendency of Class Action (K9TOOLS@aol.com) Money Tranfer, was Re: PayPal Notice of Pendency (Del9L@aol.com) Re: Any Good Simple Home Phone Systems? (John) Experience of a New Primus VoIP Customer (Ted Koppel) For Sale: Cisco VoIP Gateways, Gatekeepers, IP Phones (Frank Kim) All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: VOIP News Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:50:05 -0400 Subject: Jeff Pulver's Planned Opening Remarks for Panel I of FCC Forum Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com This is from The Jeff Pulver Blog at: http://192.246.69.231/jeff/personal/index.html July 30, 2004 My Testimony at the FCC Global Forum: Panel I - July 30, 2004 The following are my planned opening remarks for panel I of the FCC Global Forum taking place later today at the FCC in Washington, D.C. The entire event will be available for viewing via the FCC webcast. ------------------------ Thank you for inviting me to participate today in the Commission's Global IP Forum. I'm Jeff Pulver. As the President and CEO of pulver.com, I oversee about 20 operating companies, each of which is involved, in one way or another, in promoting IP communications. I manufacture IP communications devices, both wireless and wireline; I produce software to help facilitate IP communications; I publish VON Magazine, a magazine devoted to exploring the issues surrounding Voice on the Net. I also host the Voice on the Net Conferences. Each VON Conference draws thousands of attendees from dozens of countries and hundreds of companies around the world. I like to think that, through the VON Conferences, pulver.com has helped to spur the growth of IP communications and has provided essential thought leadership for the emerging industry, spurring innovation and more rapid adoption of IP communications. I became a full-time VoIP hobbyist in 1995, combining my passion for community and technology and connecting my Ham Radio to the Internet to communicate with people around the world. This overall perspective drives my passion for Free World Dialup, which over the years has evolved into a peer-to-peer IP communications application. Today Free World Dialup provides IP-based communications services to more than a quarter-million Internet enthusiasts in some 185 countries around the world. Free World Dialup was, in fact, the subject of the Commission's first order, and perhaps the world's first positive regulatory statement, on IP communications. I applaud this Commission for its timely adoption of the pulver Order. If other countries would follow the lead established by the pulver Order, I am optimistic about the future and possibilities that IP communications affords. I, however, am concerned that many countries might not follow the lead established by this Commission. Frankly, I am even concerned that this country might backtrack from the forward-looking thinking that inspired the pulver Order. I see Canada's CRTC taking a critical looking at VoIP and suggesting that some carriers should not be allowed to take full advantage of IP technology to provide innovative services. I see the European Union suggesting that VoIP services might be subjected to onerous regulatory restriction. A similar proceeding has been opened in Australia and more will follow around the world. And now there are rumblings here in the United States, both at the state and Federal level, that the nascent industry should be subject to archaic telecom regulations that never contemplated the empowering capabilities of IP communications. Just last week, in a bizarre last-minute procedural maneuver, an amendment was attached to what was intended to be the Sununu VoIP Freedom Bill, that would, arguably, subject even X-Boxers to paying into the universal service and intercarrier compensation support systems, simply because X-Box utilizes a voice application. This certainly runs counter to the logic of the pulver Order, and will only serve to stifle the growth of IP communications. This leaves me in the position to lead the charge against the bill if it were to be put up to vote as amended. I expect the 2005/2006 season to be a pivotal one for IP Communication regulation around the world. Finally, I want to mention at the outset of this discussion, that I have established the Global IP Alliance, an international consortium of IP-based communications providers committed to realizing the promise of interconnecting IP-based communications. Among other things, the Global IP Alliance is committed to establishing industry-based solutions to the operational hurdles and social issues confronting the emerging IP communications industry. It is my hope that regulators around the World will look to the Global IP Alliance and recognize that the IP industry is capable of self-governance and will not feel compelled to intercede before a clear demonstration of a problem that cannot be fixed by industry and competitive market forces. Thank you for allowing me to participate here today. I look forward to your questions and this discussion. Posted by jeff at 07:03 AM How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home: http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/ ------------------------------ From: kevinkmk@hotmail.com (kelvinkmk) Subject: Gatekeeper to Gatekeeper in Linux Date: 30 Jul 2004 03:30:27 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Dear all, I have two gatekeepers (GNUGK) running on Linux in different locations. And now I want to connect both two so that both gatekeeprs can talk and divert calls to respective zones. I dunno how to configure the gatekeeper. The only one related parameter I can find is Gatekeeper in [Endpoint]. However, I have no idea how to configure it properly.Hope someone can give me a hand. Thanks. Regards, Kelvin ------------------------------ From: Paul Coxwell Subject: Re: History of TV (was Bare-Bones DNC Coverage Draws Lower Ratings) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:55:13 +0100 I find it fascimating to read about the history of radio and TV broadcasting. It's interesting enough here in Britain, but obviously much more restricted due to very tight state-control that existed then. American broadcast history has so many more interesting turns to investigate thanks to the multitude of companies and networks that were operating. > Chicago Tribune is and always was the (W)orld's (G)reatest (N)ews- > paper. No one would hear of Channel 11 -PBS- (W)indow (T)o (T)he > (W)orld for a few more years, until it went on the air about 1955 as > an exhibit at the Museum of Science and Industry, broadcasting five or > six hours from the auditorium of the museum Monday through Friday. Presumably WTTW-TV was an independent station for the museum at that time. Didn't PBS start sometime around the late 1960s? > When Channel 11 first started broadcasting they were on Monday to > Friday only, I think a few hours each afternoon with classroom lessons > for school kids. They were dark -- off the air -- on weekends with > the exception of Sunday evening from 7:55 PM to 9:05 PM. They would > turn on their power at 7:55 PM, play the National Anthem, and the > announcer would give their call sign and say, "Now, this weeks program > from Chicago Sunday Evening Club at Orchestra Hall." After that > religious service ended at 9 PM, the same announcer would come back > on and sign the station off the air with the obligitory announcements > about station, owner, frequency, power, etc and again the National > Anthem. They stayed at Museum of Science and Industry until the early What exactly were the FCC rules regarding required announcements in those days? Obviously stations had to announce their call signs at appropriate times (a practice which still leaves many British tourists not used to U.S. broadcasting somewhat confused!), but what about other details? Were station, power etc. required at regular intervals, or just at start-up and closedown? Paul [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I do not know the history of PBS/NPR (the later is the radio version of PBS. PBS = public television and NPR = public radio.), but I know it has changed a lot over the years also. Maybe someone who knows PBS/NPR history better than I could comment? I *think* WTTW, Channel 11 began as a project of the Museum of Science and Industry, as an endowed exhibit. At some point or another ownership transferred to PBS. I cannot say for sure, but I think PBS in Chicago got started as the result of a gift from Mr. Ryerson. What was called WBOE (as in Board of Education [of the City of Chicago]) became an NPR affiliate about the same time in the late 1960's. I do know that the earliest PBS stuff was black and white (like all television) and even when they moved into the Ryerson Televison Center they still had only limited hours of operation. In the late 1950's when WTTW, Channel 11 broke away from their almost constant schedule of classroom teaching programs (very, very dull IMO) and 'remote' broadcasting was still relatively a new concept, WTTW did three or four 'remote' programs each week, almost exclusively from Orchestra Hall, Michigan and Adams Sts. in downtown Chicago. They did the Symphony every Thursday night; the 'Allied Arts' piano recitals every Sunday afternoon, and the Sunday Evening Club programs, which were all at the Hall. You always knew they were going to do some live broadcast from the Hall, because in the alley behind Michigan Avenue between Adams and Jackson Blvd. every Thursday evening and most of the day on Sunday you would always see the rather humongous trailer truck with 'Illinois Bell Telephone Company' on its side, and the very thick (like your wrist) cable come snaking out the stage door of Orchestra Hall into the trailer truck, then out of the trailer truck and down into a manhole on Adams Street. Somewhere in the same alley was always a truck which said 'WTTW, Window to the World' on its side as well, also with cables running from it to the 'remote' cameras they had installed in two 'boxes' (formerly patron seating areas) in the mezzanine area. No cameramen around, the units were run remotely from the truck in the alley. Regards station ID and such, the rules have changed some also, and I do not know exactly how it works, but at least once per day when they are broadcasting, stations have to give details about themselves and at other regular intervals they need to say their call signs, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 14:49:50 +0000 (GMT) From: Ted Klugman Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins - Ship High In Transit Organization: Optimum Online On 29 Jul 2004 11:58:09 -0700, adamsjac@telcordia.com (Jack Adams) wrote: > Yet another interesting origin of a phrase, this time as reported in > Harry Newton's Telecommunication Dictionary: > ....labeling used on the bails was Ship High In Transit, which became > S.H.I.T., which became .... Bogus. http://www.snopes.com/language/acronyms/shit.asp > Lisa Minter wrote in message > news:: >> ....literally, "Cold enough to freeze the balls off a brass monkey." (All >> this time, you thought that was an improper expression, didn't you.) Also bogus. http://www.snopes.com/language/stories/brass.htm ------------------------------ From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader) Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 15:17:17 -0000 Organization: Inline Software Creations Lisa Minter writes: > However, if this plate were made of iron, the iron balls would quickly > rust to it. The solution to the rusting problem was to make "Brass > Monkeys." Few landlubbers realize that brass contracts much more and At least this one is a definite urban legend, as has been amply researched on the net. Beware pithy origin stories - most of them are complete fabrications. adamsjac@telcordia.com (Jack Adams) writes: > Yet another interesting origin of a phrase, this time as reported in > Harry Newton's Telecommunication Dictionary: There's this little icon on your desktop that runs an internet browser. Check it out! > In the 16th and 17th centuries, most things were shipped by boat. The word in question, which I won't use to avoid content filters, has it's origins in English at least 300 years earlier than that. Research people, research! * -- * PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something like corkscrews. ------------------------------ From: Cryderman, Charles Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Interesting Origins Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 11:42:08 -0400 Another acronym from days of old that is now considered a word: In England many years ago to procreate you had to have the permission of the King. Once received you placed a sign on the door of your dwelling: "Fornication Under Consent of King." I am sure you can figure out what the word used today is. Chip Cryderman ------------------------------ From: William Robison Subject: Re: PayPal Notice of Pendency of Class Action; Proposed Settlement Organization: Universitry of Iowa Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 17:50:44 GMT On Thu, 29 Jul 2004 07:27:19 -0700, Joseph wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:39:43 -0400, Telecom Digest Editor noted in > response to Monty Solomon's posting: >> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I strongly recommend everyone with a >> PayPal account review this class action settlement file. You might >> very well wind up with **fifty dollars** credited to your Paypal >> account, if you get to that site and can make certain statements >> about your dealings with PalPal or PayPal Debit/Credit cards, etc. PAT] > And as in other class action suits you can bet your bippy that the > lawyers will buy a new Lexus with what *they* get. Class action suits > only put a hardship on companies. The end "user" usually gets close > to bupkes (zero.) Putting a "hardship" on the offending company is EXACTLY what the lawsuit is intended to do. We don't enter into these suits to recover our trivial lost funds, but to encourage the defendant to avoid and eliminate the offensive behaviour (from what I've seen of PayPal, the judgement is well deserved). -Willy ------------------------------ From: K9TOOLS@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:38:36 EDT Subject: Re: Paypal Settlement It is impossible for me to fill out a claim form if I can not fill out the forms. It says there is an error in finding the web site. Michelle [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Trouble is, Michelle, the web site is **totally swamped** most times in these early days of the settlement. They have responded to your complaint (and that of many other users) on their web site today saying you do not have to submit the claim until sometime late in September and you are invited to try sometime next week or maybe early morning, etc after the traffic has slowed down a little bit. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Del9L@aol.com Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 10:49:42 EDT Subject: Money Transfer via Paypal I don't know if I am at the right place but I had a problem with the money transfer with Paypal where I was charged double. How do I get info on the class action settlement? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Follow the crowds to the Paypal settlement site. Use Google and type in 'PayPal Settlement' and as explained to Michelle in the other message in this issue on it, allow *lots of time* to get through to them where you fill out a form, etc. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 01:15:10 GMT From: John Subject: Re: Any Good Simple Home Phone Systems? Organization: Optimum Online Thanks for the info, Steve. Looks a lot like the AT&T 954, but probably better. I'll keep it in mind as I continue my research. On Wed, 28 Jul 2004 19:17:12 GMT, SELLCOM Tech support wrote: > John posted on that vast internet > thingie: >> I'd like to learn about any good and simple telephone systems for my >> home. Looking for one that is user-friendly and that won't require a >> service call for every little problem. Looking for a system up to >> maybe 3 x 10. > A very popular system for us has been the TMC ET4000 system. It has > optional modules to add features like a cordless phone port and other > optional addons. It has very nice intercom and paging built in. You > can have 16 devices in the system. > http://www.sellcom.com/tmc.html > Steve at SELLCOM > http://www.sellcom.com > Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens AT&T Panasonic, Motorola > Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard! > Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Mini-Splitter log splitter! > If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 21:35:36 -0400 From: Ted Koppel Subject: Experience of a New Primus VoIP Customer Did my homework and narrowed down my choices to the only two VOIP retailers who (a) could service area code 540 (b) would let me port my old phone number and (c) weren't ridiculously priced for benefits received (as in, no Verizon and no AT&T). I chose Primus. I filled out the new customer form on their web site last Saturday night. Had an email within 24 hours *as well as* a phone call confirming the particulars. Had an email with a number porting PDF document (for signature and faxing) on Tuesday. Was given access to customer web site on Tuesday was well (in order to check on order status and billing). Was sent email Wednesday morning with UPS tracking number. ATA Adapter arrived Thursday (next day, but then I live only about 50 miles from their office!). Plugged in the adapter behind my router. Waited for adapter to synch and get assigned an address - it took 4 seconds. (Primus instructions say to wait as long as 15 minutes). Dial tone. Piece of cake. Works like a charm. No hassle on outgoing calls, can't complain about voice quality. Have made several phone calls; they immediately post to the Primus web site for examination. FUnctionally just fine. Minor complaints/problems: a. Nowhere do their instructions say how to pick up voice mail. That took a phone call. b. Outgoing calls do not carry callerID information (mixed blessing, I want mine to do so.) c. Incoming calls only carry caller ID numbers not names d. Once (so far) incoming call was diverted to voice mail despite phone being on hook. Unplugged adapter, it reset OK. My suspicion is that the adapter and my router are somehow failing to communicate. I may experiment with putting the adapter in front of the router or increasing the router's DHCP lease periods for its ports. None of these are major issues yet. Still to be established: a. do all the other features (call wait, call forward, etc., work)? b. What does the "LINE" phone jack on the back of the adapter actually do? (There is a PHONE 1 jack, a PHONE 2 jack, and a LINE jack) SO, after 24 hours, the important stuff works and there are a few things to be figured out. 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