From editor@telecom-digest.org Mon Jul 26 14:13:22 2004
Received: (from ptownson@localhost)
	by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.3) id i6QIDMp09372;
	Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: editor@telecom-digest.org
Message-Id: <200407261813.i6QIDMp09372@massis.lcs.mit.edu>
X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f
To: ptownson
Approved: patsnewlist
Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #351

TELECOM Digest     Mon, 26 Jul 2004 14:11:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 351

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Regulating VoIP in the US (VOIP News)
    911, Only Simple 911 at Best (johndee)
    Dedicated Internet Line (mike3)
    Network Usage Friendly PC to PC Voice Software (RJANKIR)
    Re: In Regards to Help - Please (Mike Sutter) (John Levine)
    Re: Hot-Button Issue (Tony P.)
    Re: Hot-Button Issue (Frank@Nospam.com)
    Re: Motorola and AT&T Wireless Bringing 3G/UMTS to No. America (Warnock)
    MyDoom Virus Search Engine Use (Monty Solomon)
    Re: Area Code Unavailable For Vonage (John Covert)
    Re: Area Code Unavailable For Vonage (Frank@Nospam.com)
    National Cell Phone Courtesy Month (Carl Moore)
    Re: Meridian Norstar - Caller ID (Marise_A_Klapka@withheld on request)
    Re: Truth or Fiction? Osama Found Hanged (Hammond of Texas)
    Re: Senate Committee Guts VoIP Bill (Paul Vader)

All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the
individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other
journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are
included in the fair use quote.  By using -any name or email address-
included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article
herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the
email.

               ===========================

Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be
sold or given away without explicit written consent.  Chain letters,
viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome.

We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we
are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because
we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands
against crime.   Geoffrey Welsh

               ===========================

See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details
and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest.  

----------------------------------------------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 11:47:53 -0400
Subject: Regulating VoIP in the US
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.out-law.com/php/page.php?page_id=regulatingvoipint1090836687&area=news

The influential US Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation
Committee effectively re-wrote a draft bill dealing with the
regulation of VoIP on Thursday, transferring some powers from federal
to state regulators.

The draft VoIP Regulatory Freedom Act, introduced into the Senate in
April by Republican Senator John Sununu, was intended to reserve the
right to regulate IP telephony, also known as VoIP or Voice over
Internet Protocol, to Federal Government.

But two amendments, introduced respectively by Republican Senator
Conrad Burns and Democrat Senator Byron Dorgan, mean that US states
will now be able to force VoIP companies to provide emergency 911
services, to contribute to the funding of low income or rural-based
subscribers, through what are known as universal service fees, and to
pay intra-state access charges.

Full story at:

http://www.out-law.com/php/page.php?page_id=regulatingvoipint1090836687&area=news

http://commerce.senate.gov/pdf/s2281report.pdf

How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home:
http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html

If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 18:47:37 -0500
From: johndee <johndee@sprynet.com>
Subject: 911, Only Simple 911 at Best


Its my impression the only 911 you can get is you are forwarded to a 7
digit number in the center which defeats the system, its just a phone
call on a line that administrators use to call for pizza and get calls
from their children you could get a busy if they are using it. I
called it here and it took 15 rings and it had no caller ID so if I
couldn't speak I would be dead. They said ATT and others would not
spend the money to get in the "system". Oh, they said it took so long
to answer because they were on E911 calls.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: First, let me say my circumstances here
may be somewhat different, in a town of 8800 residents and a mostly
rural county of 28,000 people. The *ONE* person (per shift, per day of
the week) who takes 911 calls (one or two per day, always on a
priority basis should various calls arrive at the same time) is also
the police department receptionist/phone operator (on general
non-emergency calls) and radio dispatcher. That person also responds
for Montgomery County (of which we here in Independence, KS are the
'county seat') Sheriff 911 calls. The Montgomery County Detention
Center (which many folks refer to as the 'jailhouse' has a capacity of
50-55 inmates, and rarely if ever is close to capacity. In summary,
ours is not a busy 911 center. The mother of our police chief lives
directly across the street from my house. I often times see Lee, her
son, over in his mother's yard cutting the grass in the summer. 

With all the above in mind, I would like to say the administrative
line for police (620-332-1700) and sheriff (620-330-1000) works just
fine for Vonage-style '911' calls.  That may not work everywhere, but
in our case, the dispatchers are **very well trained** at knowing
every nook and cranny in our county -- especially our town -- and the
database they refer to on calls has every address listed. If you go in
the basement of City Hall (where the 'communications center' is located)
the phones never ring twice without a courteous answer. PAT]

------------------------------

From: mike4ty4@yahoo.com (mike3)
Subject: Dedicated Internet Line
Date: 25 Jul 2004 19:29:49 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hi,

Is it possible, physically, to build a dedicated hard line directly
into the Internet?

------------------------------

From: rjankir@hotmail.com (RJANKIR)
Subject: Network Usage Friendly PC to PC Voice Software
Date: 26 Jul 2004 08:34:09 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


My friend recently subscribed to broadband service in India which
restricts the number of bytes that can be transfered (upload and
download) per month (255 MB per month).

Sofware like Yahoo and MSN take up about 12 MB for  single hour of
conversation.

I was wondering if there are any PC to PC voice software that does a
better job of compression and optimize on the number of bytes
exchanged.

I read about the GSM 6.10 codec that can be used. 

Please advice.

TIA

------------------------------

Date: 25 Jul 2004 22:48:04 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: In Regards to Help - Please (Mike Sutter)
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


> Posted to comp.dcom.telecom
> Subject: Re: Senate Committee Guts VoIP Bill
> From: Mike_The_Bike <mjs2032@helpivefallenrochester.rr.com>
> Reply-To: DaGroup

How do you expect the ack-bot to send you an acknowledgement if you
give it a forged return address?  It's not clairvoyant.

> Again, I did not get the auto-ack.

I guess we should feel complimented that he expects the automatic
response-bot to know how to turn the forged return address in his
message into his actual return address.

If you look at the mail logs on the MIT machine, you will doubtless
find mail to mjs2032@helpivefallenrochester.rr.com, the forged address
that he puts on his newsgroup messages.

Some people think that putting fake return addresses in messages is
benign.  They are mistaken.


R's,

John

------------------------------

From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: Hot-Button Issue
Organization: ATCC
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:37:45 GMT


In article <telecom23.350.14@telecom-digest.org>, monty@roscom.com 
says:

> With the FCC issuing fines in record numbers to everyone from Howard
> Stern to Bubba the Love Sponge, the "dump" button, like this one at
> WEEI, has taken on newfound importance because it allows for a
> 10-second delay to censor out naughty words. Never mind %!*$ or #%*@
>  -- even the word "effin' " is off-limits. But is this the government's
> job?

> By Charles P. Pierce, Globe Staff  |  July 18, 2004

> http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2004/07/18/hot_button_issue/

Having started an eight year on/off career in broadcasting in 1985 I
can tell you how the technology changed. First radio station I was at
didn't have a gate (That's what the device is known as by the way.) so
whatever was said was said and no big deal made of it.

But by 1990 or so the gate became a common feature at all radio
stations.

I believe the FCC should be stripped of it's censorial powers and 
quickly. Squelching that which the opposing political party finds 
distasteful is scary. 

I should also mention this in my post: Why don't we take advantage of
the FCC's liberal complaint procedures. Complain that radio is so
bland and homogenous now that we find it offensive.

Were enough of us to do such a thing, perhaps the FCC would see the
error of its ways. How does the saying go, if you can't dazzle them
with the truth you can always bury them in bullshit.

------------------------------

From: Frank@Nospam.com
Subject: Re: Hot-Button Issue
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:25:17 -0700
Organization: Cox Communications


Monty Solomon wrote:

> With the FCC issuing fines in record numbers to everyone from Howard
> Stern to Bubba the Love Sponge, the "dump" button, like this one at
> WEEI, has taken on newfound importance because it allows for a
> 10-second delay to censor out naughty words. Never mind %!*$ or #%*@
>  -- even the word "effin' " is off-limits. But is this the government's
> job?

It's *this* government's job, just like all the other facist
governments that have preceded them throughout the world.  If the
country (re)elects Bush it will only get worse.

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Motorola and AT&T Wireless Bringing 3G/UMTS to North America
Organization: Rob Warnock, Consulting Systems Architect
From: rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock)
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 23:25:59 -0500


> Can someone clarify, isn't UMTS the EDGE technology ATTWS has already
> rolled out?

No, UMTS is somewhat faster than the current EDGE offering, though not
nearly as fast as the EV-DO that Verizon is currently field-testing in
Washington and San Diego. Here's what AT&T WS claims for UMTS:

    <URL:http://www.attwireless.com/umts/features_and_benefits.html>
    ...average download speeds of 220-320 kbps with bursts up to
    384 kbps, compared to an average of 25-40 kbps for GPRS.

So on the chart at <URL:http://www.umtsworld.com/technology/dataspeed.htm>,
this would place their UMTS offering in the "EDGE Phase 2 / GERAN" box.

[But look at the "1xEV-DO Phase 1" box!! Rates of 500kb/s to 1 Mb/s
would seem more EV-DO's speed.]

> I thought EDGE currently is only about 115Kbps and might max out
> practically speaking at 230Kbps if they allocate enough "slots" per
> user at the tower (which has been debated may not happen for a long
> time for various technical and business reasons).

I think it depends a lot on where you are. I've been using ATTWS EDGE
for several months now in the San Francisco Bay area [mostly in the
Redwood City/Menlo Park/Palo Alto areas]. Some time ago I upgraded the
firmware on my EDGE card (using a download from the Ericsson site)
from GPRS Class 8 (3 slots down + 1 up) to Class 10 (4 down + 2 up).
Since then, I've been routinely seeing large-file downloads with peaks
[5-second sliding averages] just over 230 kb/s (once I even saw 240
kb/s), though I definitely didn't get rates that good before upgraded
the firmware. [I have no hard data on large-file upload speeds, except
that I saw frequent ~100 kb/s one-second peaks during a 780 KB upload
once.]

But that's just one user in one part of one metro area ...

> When I did research on this a couple months ago, from what I read
> about EDGE on ATT's own customer forums, the initial implementation
> does not sound good (slow and buggy).

Well, I do have to say that the interactive round-trip time (e.g.,
"ping" times or typing-to-echo when using "vi" or "emacs") is simply
*terrible*, especially the first few packets after any period of more
than a few seconds without traffic:

    %  ping rpw3.org	# my home system
    PING rpw3.org (66.93.131.53): 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=0 ttl=53 time=1594.527 ms
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=1 ttl=53 time=659.644 ms
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=2 ttl=53 time=580.201 ms
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=3 ttl=53 time=530.536 ms
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=4 ttl=53 time=610.537 ms
    64 bytes from 66.93.131.53: icmp_seq=5 ttl=53 time=560.538 ms
    ...

[Note: They seem to be doing some sort of fast-connect circuit-switching
on the transitions from idle to traffic and back, rather than true
packet-switching.]

But as one who once-upon-a-time had to deal with the "rubber-band"
feeling of 110-baud full-duplex ASR-33 Teletype (on a PDP-10), I've
gotten somewhat used to it again ...  ;-}  ;-}   [And as it happens,
I'm composing this reply in "vi" while logged into my home system
with SSH. It's usable for such. Mostly.]

And except for that initial ~1 sec. startup delay, web browsing is
more-or-less unaffected.  The browsing speed for complex pages is
*certainly* way better than dialup!

The EDGE plan, while somewhat expensive ($80/month), is at least
"flat-rate" (with nationwide free roaming), unlike some GPRS plans
that are $0.02/KB!! At the latter rate, you would burn $80 with only 4
MB!  [I use more than that on a single busy day.]


Rob Warnock			<rpw3@rpw3.org>
627 26th Avenue			<URL:http://rpw3.org/>
San Mateo, CA 94403		(650)572-2607

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 13:47:36 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: MyDoom Virus Search Engine Use



http://www.searchenginejournal.com/index.php?p=700

http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/1649245&tid=217&tid=1

http://isc.sans.org/diary.php?date=2004-07-26

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 12:07:51 EDT
From: John R. Covert <nospamtd@covert.org>
Subject: Re: Area Code Unavailable For Vonage


In Pat's note at the end of the original question, Pat wrote:

> Vonage allows the minutes to be spread over all the various virtual
> numbers"

Except for "800 Service" numbers, there are no minutes at all
associated with any incoming calls to Vonage numbers.  Vonage does not
charge Vonage customers (either the called Vonage customer or the
calling party if also a Vonage customer) anything for calls to regular
or virtual Vonage numbers.

Each virtual number assigned in geographic area codes costs $4.99 per
month plus a $1.50 regulatory recovery fee.  (Vonage charges $1.50 as
a regulatory recovery fee per assigned number regardless of the type
of service associated with the number.)

Calls by non-Vonage subscribers to Vonage geographic numbers (virtual
or regular) are billed at whatever rate would be charged by the
caller's carrier for a call to that geographic location, as determined
by the area code plus first three digits of the number.

Each Vonage "800 Service" number costs $4.99 per month plus a $1.50
regulatory recovery fee.  Additional incoming minutes are 4.9 cents
per month.  I do not see any indication that the minutes are pooled if
you have more than one 800 number, but they might be.  However,
additional minutes on a single 800 number are only $4.90 for another
100, and you pay only for those you use, whereas another 800 number
would be $6.49 for 100 minutes, whether you use them all or not.

/john

------------------------------

From: Frank@Nospam.com
Subject: Re: Area Code Unavailable For Vonage
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 06:23:08 -0700
Organization: Cox Communications


arjay wrote:

> My area code is not available for Vonage.  I can choose another, but I
> assume that anyone who calls from within my own area code will be
> charged for long distance.  Is that correct?

> I have been unable to get an answer from Vonage.

Don't know why?  The answer is pretty simple.

You have to ask yourself: Why do I want Vonage?  To be the only telephone
in my home?  Or, is it to have unlimited calling and a second line?

I have had Vonage since March of 2003 and receive calls on it from
only one person.  Other than that it is an outgoing line only.  And,
I'd sure hate to have it as my only phone, because it is so much more
vunerable to failures than my primary inbound line from SBC.

Just last week carpet installers cut my cable service, so I was out of
Vonage for two days.  I tired plugging everything into my remaining
cable outlet that was still working but the signal wasn't sufficent
there for the cable modem.

With DSL you're a little better off, but still dependent upon
household electrical power being up and running.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Couldn't the carpet installers just
as easily have sliced your telephone line and left you without SBC
service for a couple days? Or consider last Saturday here when a 
drunk driver on Second Street crashed his car into a utility pole, 
knocked it over completely and left an entire city block on Second
and Walnut Streets without electricity or phone or cable for a
couple hours after police arrived and took the man away with them
in a drunken stupor. Crews from SBC, electric and CableOne 
came out and uprighted the pole and re-established their services an
hour or two later. Stuff happens.     PAT] 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:30:15 EDT
From: Carl Moore <cmoore@ARL.ARMY.MIL>
Subject: National Cell Phone Courtesy Month


I just found (via KYW news-radio site) that July is National Cell
Phone Courtesy Month.  It says to make sure your environment is
comfortable for you to make a cell call (considering yourself, others
near you and the person you are calling).  And it suggests shutting
your cell phone off if you are away from your office and "not involved
with business and with other people".  And it says "don't pick up your
cell phone and carry on a conversation with someone else standing
there"; it sounds stupid to me to use a cell phone when the other
person is physically right there.

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Meridian Norstar - Caller ID Install for Only One Line
From: Marise_A_Klapka@Withheld on request
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:04:44 -0500


Please do not print my address.

rich@virtuallearning.net (Rich) wrote about Meridian Norstar - Caller
ID Install For Only One Line on 22 Jul 2004 08:59:35 -0700:

> Hello,

> I have eight(8) lines coming into my Meridian phone system. The 8th
> line is going directly to a phone set bypassing the Vmail and the
> Autoattendant.

> The user of the phone set wants Caller ID. I have called the BELL and
> had them install it on the line. However, I can't seem to get Call
> ID/Call Display to work on the set.

> I have used Feature 811 but it only shows me the name of the line that
> the incoming call is using.

> I don't know how to set the Call ID/Call Display in the Admin Console
> for Meridian.

> Can anyone help me out?

> Thanks,

> Rich


Rich -- In addition to using the feature code, the trunk cards must be
Caller ID capable.  We recently added Caller ID to a Norstar MICS 4.0.
The label on the trunk card will have the letters "C I" on it.  If it
doesn't, you won't get caller ID no matter what info the LEC sends.

Marise

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 08:20:10 -0700
From: Hammond of Texas <spambait@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Truth or Fiction? Osama Found Hanged


Ray wrote:

> It does contain a virus ... beware ...

NO! Really? Ya think?

------------------------------

From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: Senate Committee Guts VoIP Bill
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 15:53:14 -0000
Organization: Inline Software Creations


anonfwd774@witheld at request writes:

> I'm not really sure how handheld GPS receivers work and I've never
> owned one, but I'm guessing they don't work too well inside buildings!

They don't work AT ALL inside buildings. As you guessed, they need an
unobstructed line-of-sight to the satellite. *

* PV   something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
       like corkscrews.

------------------------------

TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not
exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere
there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of
networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and
other forums.  It is also gatewayed to Usenet where it appears as the
moderated newsgroup 'comp.dcom.telecom'.

TELECOM Digest is a not-for-profit, mostly non-commercial educational
service offered to the Internet by Patrick Townson. All the contents
of the Digest are compilation-copyrighted. You may reprint articles in
some other media on an occasional basis, but please attribute my work
and that of the original author.

Contact information:    Patrick Townson/TELECOM Digest
                        Post Office Box 50
                        Independence, KS 67301
                        Phone: 620-402-0134
                        Fax 1: 775-255-9970
                        Fax 2: 530-309-7234
                        Fax 3: 208-692-5145         
                        Email: editor@telecom-digest.org

Subscribe:  telecom-subscribe@telecom-digest.org
Unsubscribe:telecom-unsubscribe@telecom-digest.org

This Digest is the oldest continuing e-journal about telecomm-
unications on the Internet, having been founded in August, 1981 and
published continuously since then.  Our archives are available for
your review/research. We believe we are the oldest e-zine/mailing list
on the internet in any category!

URL information:        http://telecom-digest.org

Anonymous FTP: mirror.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/archives/
  (or use our mirror site: ftp.epix.net/pub/telecom-archives)

Email <==> FTP:  telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org 

      Send a simple, one line note to that automated address for
      a help file on how to use the automatic retrieval system
      for archives files. You can get desired files in email.

*************************************************************************
*   TELECOM Digest is partially funded by a grant from                  *
*   Judith Oppenheimer, President of ICB Inc. and purveyor of accurate  *
*   800 & Dot Com News, Intelligence, Analysis, and Consulting.         *
*   http://ICBTollFree.com, http://1800TheExpert.com                    *
*   Views expressed herein should not be construed as representing      *
*   views of Judith Oppenheimer or ICB Inc.                             *
*************************************************************************

ICB Toll Free News.  Contact information is not sold, rented or leased.

One click a day feeds a person a meal.  Go to http://www.thehungersite.com

Copyright 2004 ICB, Inc. and TELECOM Digest. All rights reserved.
Our attorney is Bill Levant, of Blue Bell, PA.

              ************************

DIRECTORY ASSISTANCE JUST 65 CENTS ONE OR TWO INQUIRIES CHARGED TO
YOUR CREDIT CARD!  REAL TIME, UP TO DATE! SPONSORED BY TELECOM DIGEST
AND EASY411.COM   SIGN UP AT http://www.easy411.com/telecomdigest !

              ************************


   ---------------------------------------------------------------

Finally, the Digest is funded by gifts from generous readers such as
yourself who provide funding in amounts deemed appropriate. Your help
is important and appreciated. A suggested donation of fifty dollars
per year per reader is considered appropriate. See our address above.
Please make at least a single donation to cover the cost of processing
your name to the mailing list. If you donate at least fifty dollars
per year we will send you our two-CD set of the entire Telecom
Archives; this is every word published in this Digest since our
beginning in 1981.

All opinions expressed herein are deemed to be those of the
author. Any organizations listed are for identification purposes only
and messages should not be considered any official expression by the
organization.

End of TELECOM Digest V23 #351
******************************
