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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:25:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 329

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    AT&T CallVantage Service Now Available in 100 Major Markets (VOIP News)
    U.S. Rejects Net Phone Call Tax (VOIP News)
    Voice Pulse Appeals to Federal Regulators (VOIP News)
    Re: Indian Telemarketing Shop Service Monitoring Line (Stan Siegler)  
    Definition Bandwidth Products (Tom Mishkiewicz) 
    Re: Tap Into Neighbors' WiFi? Why Not, Some Say (Hammond of Texas)
    Re: How Much Does Bill Gates Know About His Software?  (Wesrock@aol.com)
    Re: Norvergence -- Getting out of a Matrix Contract (Hammond of Texas)
    Re: Norvergence -- Getting Out of a Matrix Contract (Paul Vader)
    Re: Norvergence -- Getting out of a Matrix Contract (Dave Garland)
    Will Headset From Nortel Office Phone Work With Cell Phone? (Lester)
    Power of the Net in Next Election (Patrick Townson)

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From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:42:43 -0400
Subject: AT&T CallVantage Service Now Available in 100 Major Markets
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


[Comment: Bear in mind that once the introductory period is over,
AT&T's service will cost you more per month than most other consumer
VoIP services.  You may wish to read the comments about CallVantage on
the BroadbandReports.com VoIP forum
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/voip>.]

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-12-2004/0002208297&EDATE=

Coast-to-Coast Rollout Expands to 28 New Markets and Seven Additional States

     $19.99 Promotion Offers Unlimited Calling and Advanced Features

BEDMINSTER, N.J., July 12 /PRNewswire/ -- Achieving a key milestone in
its deployment of residential Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP)
phone service, AT&T today announced the availability of AT&T
CallVantage(SM) Service in 100 markets nationwide with the addition of
28 new markets and seven additional states, offering those households
a high-tech alternative for their personal communications needs.

    AT&T is expanding its service footprint in the metropolitan areas
of Birmingham, Ala.; Bridgeport, Danbury, Hartford, New Haven, New
London, Stamford and Waterbury, Conn.; Ann Arbor, Detroit and Flint,
Mich.; Cincinnati, Cleveland and Columbus, Ohio; Providence- Warwick,
R.I.; Richmond, Va.; and Kenosha, Milwaukee and Racine, Wis.

    In addition, the company today made service available to residents
of Dover, Del.; New Bedford, Brockton, Fitchburg-Leominster, Lawrence,
Lowell and Worcester, Mass.; and Pittsburgh and Reading, Pa.

    "Today's market entries place us in 29 states and Washington,
D.C. -- that's 100 major markets in just 16 weeks since service
introduction," said Cathy Martine, AT&T senior vice president for
Internet Telephony, Consumer Marketing and Sales.  "This demonstrates
the velocity at which we're working to get IP technology into the
hands of consumers.

    "AT&T already provides traditional residential local service to
more than 4.3 million households nationwide, but AT&T CallVantage
Service marks the beginning of an exciting new era in voice
communications that gives customers a compelling new choice," she
added.

    While VoIP is an exciting technology with great promise, it is not
a complete substitute for traditional telephone service because it
does not serve the needs of millions of Americans who cannot obtain or
afford the high- speed Internet connection required for AT&T
CallVantage Service.  Though a growing number of households have
access to these broadband connections through their cable or local
telephone company, only about one in five subscribe nationally. 
According to data from TNS Telecoms, broadband penetration in the
markets entered today range from a low of 15.9 percent in Alabama to a
high of 24.3 percent in Connecticut.

    "VoIP applications might just be the 'value-add' that consumers
are seeking to justify their investment in broadband," said
Martine. "However, for the foreseeable future, this exciting new
option will be reserved for those households fortunate enough to
maintain a broadband connection."

    AT&T CallVantage Service is an innovative service that promises to
transform the way people communicate. A core concept of the service,
which is built on AT&T Labs patented technology, is the ability to
quickly introduce new features and capabilities to the platform.

    "AT&T continues to lead the adoption of VoIP services by both
businesses and consumers as it delivers the next generation of
communications that our customers demand." said Martine. "Last month,
we announced global telework trials in Asia and Europe for a service
designed to allow multinationals the ability to provide their
employees a suite of advanced calling features in the home or hotel
environment.  We expect to make it generally available next year.

    "And later this year, we expect to introduce a domestic telework
solution targeted towards small office and home office users that
leverages the AT&T CallVantage Service platform," she added.

    Broad array of features

    AT&T CallVantage Service is different than traditional phone
services because, through the use of IP-based networks, it can offer
customers typical features such as call waiting, three-way calling,
and call forwarding, and far more advanced ones as well. Indeed,
consumers will get unprecedented convenience and control with
innovative features including:

     -- "Call Logs," to track incoming and outgoing;
     -- "Do Not Disturb," to receive calls only when wanted;
     -- "Locate Me," which rings up to five phones, all at once, or
        sequentially;
     -- "Voicemail with eFeatures," to listen to messages from any phone or
        PC and forward them to anyone on the Web; and
     -- "Personal Conferencing," to set up meetings with up to nine
     -- additional callers.

    In May, the company announced the first in an ongoing series of
service innovations including the addition of an online, searchable
"Phone Book." This new feature enables customers to store up to 250
names and phone numbers on their Personal Call Manager homepage with
click-to-dial accessibility.

    The company also introduced a set of enhancements to simplify the
management of calls and messages. These new capabilities were designed
to enhance the customer experience and at no additional charge to the
customer.  More new features are planned for introduction later this
year.

    All that is required for service is an easy-to-connect, plug-in
telephone adapter (TA) provided by AT&T, a broadband Internet
connection and regular telephone supplied by the customer. It is
simple to use and easy for consumers to install -- typically in 10
minutes.
   
    AT&T CallVantage Service works with most cable modem or digital
subscriber line (DSL) broadband connections. The TA is compatible with
most home computer networks and may be used in conjunction with
various home network routers. And the adapter can be used from almost
any location where there is a telephone and a broadband connection. 
That gives customers the ability to stay connected by taking this
service with them when they travel.

    Promotional price extended

    The company has extended its special six-month introductory rate
of $19.99 a month through August 31, 2004, and recently reduced the
full retail price to $34.99 per month for all subscribers.

    The promotional rate includes a complete calling solution that
provides unlimited local and long-distance domestic calling, including
calls to Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands, discount rates for
international calling, and a suite of advanced features that customers
have never experienced before.

    "One thing that became absolutely apparent as we've entered market
after market is that consumers appreciate the opportunity to test the
VoIP waters with an introductory offer," said Martine. "We're very
happy with the reception we've received to date and don't want to
change a winning formula."

    As a special incentive, the company will offer AT&T CallVantage
customers an opportunity to participate in its program that provides
up to one month of free service (maximum of 12 months) for each
referral and sale, where permissible by state law.

    To date, the service is generally available to consumers in
Arizona, California, Colorado, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Illinois,
Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, New
Jersey, New York, North Carolina, Nebraska, Oregon, Pennsylvania,
Tennessee, Texas, Washington, D.C., and Washington state.

    To learn more about AT&T CallVantage Service, consumers can visit
http://www.CallVantage.com or call 1-866-816-3815, extension 70339.

Full press release at:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-12-2004/0002208297&EDATE=

How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home:
http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html

If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/
 
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From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 12:56:18 -0400
Subject: U.S. Rejects Net Phone Call Tax
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,1413,87~11271~2267439,00.html

By Ryan J. Donmoyer, Bloomberg News

The Treasury Department said it doesn't plan to tax telephone calls
made over the Internet after a lawmaker asked for a clarification of a
notice the government issued last week.

The Treasury Department and Internal Revenue Service said Friday the
government will seek comment from telecommunications companies on
whether telephone tax regulations first developed in 1965 need
updating to keep pace with technological advances.

"Nothing in the notice said anything about taxing" the technology
known as voice over Internet protocol, or VOIP, Treasury Department
spokeswoman Tara Bradshaw said.

Full story at:
http://www.sanmateocountytimes.com/Stories/0,1413,87~11271~2267439,00.html

------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:33:08 -0400
Subject: VoicePulse Appeals to Regulators for Federal Preemption on VOIP
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/07-12-2004/0002208607&EDATE=

     Company Executives Optimistic After Series of Meetings in Washington

    WASHINGTON, July 12 /PRNewswire/ -- VoicePulse Inc. co-founder and
CEO, Ravi Sakaria, concluded a series of meetings at the FCC and on
Capitol Hill regarding the potential impact of regulating small Voice
over IP service providers.

    Highlighting the portable nature of consumer VoIP service, Sakaria
implored regulators to recognize consumer VoIP as an interstate
service.  Failing to do so, argued Sakaria, would allow individual
states to subject VoIP carriers to common carrier regulation.
"Burdening this emerging industry with interpreting and complying with
50 different sets of rules is something that small, innovative
companies in this space just don't have the resources to do," said
Sakaria.  "Most of those companies would exit the industry or move
outside the United States - either of which would be most
unfortunate."  Sakaria characterized the meetings as "productive and
optimistic," and added, "it's clear that the folks at the FCC and
members of Congress have put a lot of energy into understanding the
powerful implications of VoIP technology as well as the importance of
fostering growth of the industry."

    About VoicePulse

    VoicePulse is a New Jersey based communications company that uses
its VoIP network to deliver advanced features and high-quality phone
service to residential and small-business consumers.  The company
leads the industry in delivering innovative features and excellent
customer service.  For more information about VoicePulse, please visit
http://www.voicepulse.com.  VoicePulse is a trademark of VoicePulse
Inc.  http://www.voicepulse.com

     For more information, please contact:
     VoicePulse Inc.
     Rima Vaghasiya
     Phone: (732) 339-5100
     rima@voicepulse.com


SOURCE VoicePulse Inc.

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From: sieler@allegro.com (Stan Sieler)
Subject: Re: Indian Telemarketing Shop Service-Monitoring Line?
Date: 12 Jul 2004 12:29:51 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


John R. Covert <nospam@covert.org> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.310.18@telecom-digest.org>:

> There's an interesting number on the caller-id of my fax line.
...
> (866) 383-0986

> If you call it back, you get a recording with a distinctive Indian
> accent saying, "Please dial the extension number which you want to
> monitor."

I'm getting vspam calls on my cellphone for "Premier Financial
Service" from that number ... despite asking to be put on their "don't
call" list.  When I call them back, I get the same message.  Attempts
at entering extension numbers have only resulted in their end hanging
up on me :(

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From: Tom Miskiewicz <miskiewicz2@yahoo.com>
Subject: Definition Bandwidth Product
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 21:46:36 +0200
Organization: Global Access Telecommunications, Inc.


Hi!

Can someone familiar with the carrier terminology tell me please what
are bandwidth products?  Are Frame Realy and ATM bandwidth products?

Thanks,

Tom

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:20:48 -0700
From: Hammond of Texas <spambait@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Tap Into Neighbors' WiFi? Why Not, Some Say


William Warren (the prototypical PHB) wrote:

> Think about it: the only thing the business owner gets by turning off
> SSID broadcast, restricting MAC addresses, and enabling WEP is a lot
> of headaches and maintenance and complaints from his employees. The
> default (open) installation works, the effort to restrict it and track
> the restrictions and deal with the complaints and accomodate visitors
> costs real money -- probably several times what the bandwidth costs -
> so why wouldn't a businessman make a common-sense decision to ignore
> the "problem"?

Why? Oh ... probably because his idea of "common sense" completely
discounts the very real, and potentially very serious issues that
revolve around operating a completely unsecured AP. The cost to defend
against lawsuit brought by someone suffering damages at the hands of
the miscreant who used your wide-open AP will quickly outrun the cost
of doing it right in the first place. Add to that the less tangible
cost of damaged PR, etc. Planning on dropping the thing right into
your LAN, like most "businessmen" do? What will it cost when that
potential customer, "visiting" your site, manages to download your
client lists, business strategy documents, trade secrets, etc.

Furthermore, there are technological solutions to all of the
objections raised above. Some are more elegant and transparent than
others, but at any rate, they would allow any reasonable person to
dismiss the "its too inconvenient to make it secure" complaint.

A network administrator who installed and operated an unsecured AP on
my network would get the sack in short order.

------------------------------

From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 09:36:17 EDT
Subject: Re: How Much Does Bill Gates Know About His Software These Days? 


      From an article in the June 2004 issue of Popular Communications
magazine on computer-control of radios, especially scanners.  The
author of the article is Joe Cooper, whose e-mail address is given as
<joe@provcomm.net>:

"BASIC was originally developed at Dartmouth College in 1964 and was
first used on big mainframe computers.  At that time the main
programming language was FORTRAN, which was very complicated given the
fact engineers and scientists originally designed it for their use."
       
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 08:02:01 -0700
From: Hammond of Texas <spambait@spamcop.net>
Subject: Re: Norvergence -- Getting Out of a Matrix Contract


Mark Yamasaki wrote:

> Dear Mr. Townson,

> I work for a small freight forwarding company here in California. We
> were approached by Norvergence about a month ago.

> To make a long story short, since you probably have heard too much on
> this already, I want to know how I can close up any relations /
> contracts with Norvergence and more importantly sever any obligations
> to its equipment leasing "banks".

> Here is our current situation

> 1.Contract signed. ( I know, big mistake)

Have they complied with the terms of the contract? Are your remedies,
in the event of their failure, spelled out in the contract?

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From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: Norvergence - How Do I Get Out
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 16:22:47 -0000
Organization: Inline Software Creations


Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:

> From what I've read, it appears that the Norvergence customers
> effectively purchased the equipment (at inflated prices) and paid for
> an extended period of service in advance, financing it through a bank.
> Worse, it seems that they actually sold the equipment to the bank and
> leased it back.

Kinda. The way I understand it, it's sort of like the "OEM rule" at
online computer stores. For example, you can only buy OEM Windows if
sold with a 'piece of computer equipment'. This is handled at some of
these stores by bundling your order with an old BIOS ROM or a useless
adapter cable, sold to you for a tiny extra charge.

The deal with Norvergence is that they determined the value of five
years of a customer's business, and then attached that value as a
pricetag on this matrix box thing (the matrix box never even got used
for anything in some cases). So, customer takes out a conventional
business loan for the value of this piece of equipment, and then pays
Norvergence with the loan's proceeds when approved. Norvergence has
the whole 5 years in cash upfront, and the customer is paying off the
loan on a massively overvalued, and possibly useless piece of gear. If
they got through the whole 5 years it might have been a decent deal,
but as it turns out nobody did. That may have been the plan all along,
or maybe not -- we'll leave that for the courts to determine. I don't
think you need my vote.

The thing that amazes me is that Norvergence didn't make enough money
to pay their bills doing this. They reported 10,000 customers, so even
if you're taking a measly $5000 bucks from each one, that gives you
$50 million to play with, and there were some reports here of people
paying Norv a lot more than $5000 (hundreds of thousands in some
cases). Somebody was lining their pockets with too much of the
'profits'. A charitable person would say that they didn't have a good
long-term money manager. Other darker possibilities are equally or
more likely.


       * -- * PV something like badgers--something like
              lizards--and something like corkscrews.

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From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Subject: Re: Norvergence -- Getting out of a Matrix Contract
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 11:26:57 -0500
Organization: Wizard Information


It was a dark and stormy night when Mark Yamasaki
<markyamasaki@hotmail.com> wrote:

> this already, I want to know how I can close up any relations /
> contracts with Norvergence and more importantly sever any obligations
> to its equipment leasing "banks".

Talk to your lawyer TODAY.  With all due respect to Pat, he's not a
lawyer, I'm not a lawyer, and even if we were, we wouldn't be *your*
lawyer.

Whatever it costs you to talk to your lawyer is nothing compared to
what you may be on hook for if you don't.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I said the same thing to him. He should
show his paperwork to an attorney, and while the attorney contemplates
the whole thing he (and others similarly situated) should freeze all
accounts payable to Norvergence. Release that money when your attorney
advises you to do so, or a court orders you to do so, *not* when a
bank or collection agency blusters at you. He won't 'get in trouble'
on his credit or otherwise simply for referring those callers (I 
repeat, I doubt there will be any) to his attorney. PAT]

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From: xlate102@yahoo.com (Lester)
Subject: Will Headset From Nortel Office Phone Work With Cell Phone?
Date: 12 Jul 2004 11:58:08 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I have an extra Plantronics Polaris headset at work.  Looks like it
has a 4 pin connector.

Is there a way I can modify it so I can use it with my Nokia cell
phone?  It looks much sturdier than most of the crap headsets they
make specifically for Nokia.

Thanks in advance.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might check with Mike Sandman on
this  http://www.sandman.com . I bought from Mike an adapter socket
for a Plantronics headset to use with my Nokia cell phone. He might
have one to meet your specs also. Email to mike@sandman.com or check
his catalog at http://www.sandman.com .  The adapter plug I got cost
around five or ten dollars.   PAT]

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From: Editor <editor@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Power of the Net in Next Election
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 15:45:00 EDT


This is *not* an invitation to turn the Digest into a political forum
for the next election ... but ... I am wondering if you feel the net
may well be a significant factor -- perhaps the biggest factor -- in
the re-election or unseating of our resident president now in power at
the November election?  For example, there have been statements in
some usenet news groups and other forums claiming Mr. Bush is planning
secretly to re-instate the draft with the situation in Iraq being so
tense (you know, the war that was declared over and won more than a
year ago by the same president.) In response to the 'rumors' of draft
re-instatement; President Bush in his weekly radio address recently
declared it all a 'nasty lie designed to get me out of office' and he
blamed it on 'certain elements on the net who have never liked
American democracy, this Christian nation, etc, ad nauseum ...'  Do
any of you think the net is *that powerful* it can actually unseat the
man in office?  Just curious.  PAT]

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