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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 26 May 2004 15:16:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 260

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    TiVo Q1 Results (Monty Solomon)
    Microsoft, Developer Combine Anti-Spam Standards (Monty Solomon)
    Microsoft and Meng Wong to Merge Caller ID for E-Mail and SPF (M Solomon)
    Ringtones Left Out of Digital Music Price Wars (Monty Solomon)
    Getting a Handle on URNs (Monty Solomon)
    Multiline Residential Phone System Recommendations? (ed)
    Re: Ringing Multiple Devices (was Re: Bye, Bye Ma Bell) (Hank Karl)
    Re: FCC Asked To Examine A la Carte Cable TV (Garrett Wollman)
    Re: T-Mobile USA to End Network Venture with Cingular (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
    Cell Phone in Switzerland, Part II (John R Levine)
    Verizon DSL Newsgroup Provider (gene)
    Re: Qwest DSL Service and Modem (Dave Garland)
    Labor/Union Stuff (Short) was Re: The Strike Goes On (Danny Burstein)
    Re: The Strike Goes On (Mark Crispin)
    Re: The Strike Goes On (Michael Chance)
    Re: My Posting on Norvergence (Tony P.)
    Re: My Posting on Norvergence (Justin Time)
    Re: My Posting on Norvergence (Steve Lopes)
    Naked DSL - Verizon to Ditch Forced Bundling? (VOIP News)
    Comcast Plans to Offer Phone Service (VOIP News)
    Popular Telephony Announces Peerio444 Serverless (VOIP News)
    Comcast Announces VoIP Service (VOIP News)

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:43:49 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: TiVo Q1 Results


     Strong Consumer Demand More than Triples Q1 Subscription Growth
     for TiVo; Lower Prices and Broad Availability Drive Record Results

DIRECTV with TiVo subscription additions grew nearly 5x compared to Q1
   of last year; TiVo owned subscription additions nearly double in
   the same period Service revenues grew 74% in the quarter, compared
   to Q1 of last year Management reiterates plans to double
   subscription base in current year

SAN JOSE, Calif., May 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ - TiVo (Nasdaq: TIVO),
the creator of and a leader in television services for digital video
recorders (DVRs), reported today that it added a record 264,000
subscriptions in the first quarter, more than three times the number
added in Q1 of last year.  Total cumulative subscriptions grew to
nearly 1.6 million, more than double the subscription base TiVo
reported a year ago.

Net revenues for the quarter were $34.5 million. Of this amount,
Service revenues were $22.2 million, which represents growth of 74%
compared to the same quarter of last year. Net loss for the quarter
was ($9.1) million, or ($0.11) per share, compared to a net loss of
($7.9) million, or ($0.12) per share, for the three months ended April
30, 2003.

Of the 264,000 new subscriptions added in the quarter, approximately
196,000 resulted from TiVo's relationship with DIRECTV, nearly five
times the number of DIRECTV subscriptions added in Q1 of last
year. New TiVo Service subscriptions additions in the quarter were
68,000, an 84% increase compared to Q1 of last year.

DIRECTV with TiVo and Series2 DVRs Momentum Drive Record Q1 Results

The explosive growth of DIRECTV with TiVo in Q1 demonstrates the
growing strength of what is one of the best experiences in television
home entertainment: the DIRECTV DVR with TiVo. The record number of
DIRECTV activations in the quarter was driven by increased product
availability, the $99 price point, and a variety of promotional
programs directed at the DIRECTV subscriber base.

     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41637010

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:52:12 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Microsoft, Developer Combine anti-Spam Standards


By Andy Sullivan

WASHINGTON, May 25 (Reuters) - The backers of two anti-spam proposals
said on Tuesday they would work together to provide a single standard
that would make it easier for Internet providers to block unwanted
junk e-mail.

Giant software company Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT). and Pobox.com
co-founder Meng Wong said they would combine their approaches, which
both aim to weed out fake e-mail addresses used by spammers to cover
their tracks.

Both Microsoft's Caller ID for e-mail and Wong's Sender Policy
Framework would allow Internet providers to check that a message from
joe@example.com actually comes from the numerical addresses used by
example.com's e-mail servers. Mail that did not match up could be
safely rejected as spam.

The standard would pose few difficulties for most companies that
handle e-mail, and individual users would not have to make any changes
at all.

E-mail forwarders like Pobox.com would have to make the biggest
efforts to comply with the new standard, Wong said.

     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41633697

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Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 23:53:57 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Microsoft and Meng Wong to Merge Caller ID for E-Mail and SPF


Unified Anti-Spam Proposal to Enable Swift Industry Adoption of E-Mail
Authentication Technology to Help Prevent Domain Spoofing and Phishing

REDMOND, Wash., and PHILADELPHIA, May 25 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ --
Microsoft Corp (Nasdaq: MSFT), author of the Caller ID for E-mail
proposal, and Meng Wong, co-founder and CTO of Pobox.com and author of
the Sender Policy Framework (SPF), have announced today that they have
agreed to converge the two proposals into one specification designed
to help eliminate domain spoofing and provide greater protection
against phishing schemes. By providing a unified specification,
Microsoft and Wong hope to simplify industry adoption of effective
e-mail authentication technology, thereby helping to more swiftly
provide greater spam protection to e-mail users worldwide.


     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41629190

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:02:59 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Ringtones Left Out of Digital Music Price Wars


By Bernhard Warner

LONDON, May 25 (Reuters) - A recent price war has made Internet song
downloads cheaper while the price tag on a mobile phone ringtone has
barely budged, and in some cases, is creeping up, a new report on
Tuesday said.

The price discrepancy between downloads and ringtones -- those
ubiquitous tuneful greetings programmed into millions of handsets --
can be laid squarely at the feet of record companies, according to
London-based consultancy Informa Plc.

The main culprit is the advent of so-called "sample" ringtones, the
latest stereophonic tones pulled from actual studio recordings.

They carry a price tag of as much as four times higher than the
typical Internet download price in Western Europe -- a price gap that
could prematurely stifle a promising ringtone business, Informa said.

Record labels are demanding mobile operators and other ringtone
resellers pay a royalty rate equivalent to between 25 percent and 55
percent of the total retail price for a "sample" ringtone, Informa
said.

     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=41628362

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:12:26 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Getting a Handle on URNs


It is extraordinary how in just over a decade Uniform Resource
Locators (URLs) have entered everyday life to such an extent that they
are now found practically everywhere -- from the side of buses to the
back of cornflake packets. But this universality tends to mask the
fact that they suffer from a serious defect.

Everyone has encountered the problem, which manifests itself as the
dreaded "404 page not found" message. The trouble is that changes in
site design, file directories and domain names can easily make a URL
obsolete, with no means of automatically redirecting to the new
Internet location (where it exists). What is needed is a standard way
of permanently naming a digital resource similar to that provided by
the International Standard Book Number (ISBN) for analogue books.

The solution is to move from URLs to URNs: Uniform Resource Names.
The important thing about URNs is that they do not point directly to
an Internet resource, but are rather a placeholder for the location
and other metadata. This means that the URN does not need to change if
the URL does: it is enough to update the redirection.

URNs sound great in theory. Unfortunately, progress towards realising
them has been slow. One attempt to address what is sometimes called
linkrot is the use of PURLs: Persistent URLs. This employs redirection
to solve the problem of changes in directory structure, but is
basically an adaptation of the URL. More thoroughgoing in its attempt
to create full URNs is the Handle system.

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/05/24/getting_a_handle_on_urns.html

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 11:38:29 -0400
From: ed <bernies@netaxs.com>
Subject: Multiline Residential Phone System Recommendations?


I'm seeking recommendations for a multi-line (3 lines) residential
phone system that also supports cordless extensions and can be
interfaced to standard intercom systems.  ease of use and reliability
are key requirements.  Any suggestions?  Thanks much!


-ed

------------------------------

From: Hank Karl <notgiven@nothere.com>
Subject: Re: Ringing Multiple Devices (was Re: Bye, Bye Ma Bell)
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:21:19 -0400
Organization: NETPLEX Internet Services - http://www.ntplx.net/


On Tue, 25 May 2004 20:00:29 GMT, joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
wrote:

>> VoIP services have to compete on features.  For example, AT&T's
>> CallVantage offers a 9-way conference bridge, and the ability to have
>> a call ring up to five devices.  Both of these features can be done on
>> a landline, but I don't know of any providers who offer the multiple
>> ring capability.

> Do you mean up to five different numbers ring at once, as in, say,
> your CallVantage line, a landline, and a cellphone?  THAT would be a
> wonderful feature.

According to http://www.usa.att.com/callvantage/what/features.jsp,
(click on the "locate me" option)  the numbers can ring at once or in
sequence (your choice).

------------------------------

From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman)
Subject: Re: FCC Asked To Examine A la Carte Cable TV
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 17:04:10 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science


In article <telecom23.259.5@telecom-digest.org>,  <jmayson@nyx.net> wrote:

> there whether they offered 1 or 1,000 channels.  You might get 50
> channels for $55 a month instead.  Why would the consumer go for that?

I'd be happy with broadcast basic plus about 20 channels (mostly news
and public affairs).

The real sticking point, I think, is that most consumers want their
VCR/DVR/PVRs to work, and going a-la-carte would require a substantial
increase in encryption, which is generally incompatible with those
devices.  Perhaps when the cable companies finally implement the
requirements of the '94 Cable Act to standardize on a workable
(non-"box") consumer interface to conditional access and digital cable
services.


Garrett A. Wollman   | As the Constitution endures, persons in every
wollman@lcs.mit.edu  | generation can invoke its principles in their own
Opinions not those of| search for greater freedom.
MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - A. Kennedy, Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. ___ (2003)

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Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 14:46:52 GMT
From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman)
Subject: Re: T-Mobile USA to End Network Venture with Cingular
Organization: Excelsior Computer Services


> approximately $2.3 billion to Cingular. In addition, T-Mobile USA
> will:

>    --  transfer 10 MHz of New York spectrum in exchange for certain
>        California spectrum owned by Cingular as specified in the
>        termination provisions of the joint venture agreement;

Won't that significantly decrease service in NY, an area where the
network is already often overloaded?

-Joel

------------------------------

Date: 26 May 2004 00:10:46 -0400
From: John R Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Cell Phone in Switzerland, Part II


I got lots of helpful advice on my quest for a cell phone to use in
Switzerland.

One of the most helpful bits of advice was that there are zillions of
phones for sale on ebay, so why pay $50 to rent a Euro phone when for the
same $50 you can buy one to keep.  So I'm working on that.

Several people pointed out that you can buy prepaid Swiss SIM cards.
The prices in the US are ridiculous, but a little poking around found
the very informative
http://www.post.ch/SiteOnLine/EN/Accueil/1,1727,6419,00.html which
lists the prepaid SIM cards you can buy at Swiss post offices.
They're the same ones sold here, at half the price.  So here's my
comparison sheet, prices in Swiss francs.

The value is the amount of credit you get in the initial SIM.  If you use
it up, you can buy reload cards.  Local/min and US/min is the price to
make local calls and calls to the US.

Network   SIM price   Value    local/min    US/min    SMS

Orange      49        20         .90          ??      .25?

Sunrise     65        50?        .69         .89      .20
Pronto

Swisscom
Natel Easy  120       80         .80-.99    1.10     .20

Cingular via
Swisscom    --        --         $1.29      $1.29

The post office says the Pronto card is worth SFr 50, although some of
the other web sites say 25.  Orange's price goes down if you use more
than SFr 30/mo.  You get extra credit which makes the effective price
lower.

If I roam with my US Cingular account, I don't have to buy a SIM, but
I pay more per minute and incoming calls are quite expensive, $1.29
plus whatever they charge to call Switzerland, $1.50 the last time I
looked.

Assuming the numbers I have are right, it looks like my best bet is to
get a Sunrise SIM when I get there, then find an internet cafe and
forward my Vonage number to it, which is 32 cents/min.

Regards,

John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Mayor
"I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.

------------------------------

From: gnj2@ridgenet.net (gene)
Subject: Verizon DSL Newsgroup Provider
Date: 26 May 2004 04:44:01 GMT


I'm planning on switching to Verizon DSL for my ISP. Talked to their
technical information person to ask who Verizon gets their Newsgroup
feed from. Her answer:"What's a newsgroup?" Is there someone using
Verizon DSL here who can answer this for me.  I know there are NG
providers that you can sign up with for a monthly fee. Up to now
though all the ISPs I've used provide one in their regular package for
no cost.  Thanks for any information.

Gene

------------------------------

From: Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com>
Subject: Re: Qwest DSL Service and Modem
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 00:19:41 -0500
Organization: Wizard Information


It was a dark and stormy night when niy38@hotmail.com (Niy) wrote:

> Does anyone here use Qwest DSL service with other modem?

There's a list at http://www.dslreports.com/faq/9142 .  The Cisco 678
is probably the best (that's what I use), but they're discontinued so
you'd have to find one on eBay.  Other users at my ISP seem to like
the Zoom X3/X4/X5 (basicly the same unit), but it may require
different settings on the ISP end.  Don't expect any cooperation or
support from Qwest or MSN.

------------------------------

From: Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
Subject: Labor/Union Stuff (short) was Re: The Strike Goes On
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:24:50 UTC
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


In <telecom23.259.9@telecom-digest.org> TELECOM Digest Editor noted in
response to Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I take it Ohio does not have a 'Right
> to Work' law on the books, which is why you were 'forced' to join 
> the union. But there is still a way around that, partially. You can 
> join the union, but only be forced to pay the portion of the dues 
> which apply to the administration of the union, and withhold the
> (majority of) the dues which the union officials use for whatever
> political causes they are promoting. Federal law allows for people
> to be 'administrative members' only, as a free speech matter. Your
> money cannot be taken forcibly from you (through payroll deduction
> for example) to support causes you do not believe in. Ask any lawyer
> specializing in labor matters.  PAT]

Just to respond to this one point, as the bigger issues of whether labor 
unions are good, bad, evil, or great ... and whether they're "wrong" to 
force people to join, etc., etc. could go on forever (and aren't quite 
that relevant to telecom):

	Our esteemed moderator makes the valid point that union
	members, or "agency shop" (an alternative available
	in many states to people who don't want to join the
	union but are kind-of forced to [a]) can get a refund
	of their dues that were used for non laborish items.

[a] big over-simplification there ...

The Federal laws that require unions to refund (or not collect) the monies
that are used for such things as political campaigns is commonly referred
to as the "Beck decision", based on the case of "Communications Workers of
America v. Beck, 487 U.S. 735 (1988)". As one might expect, since unions
generally delude themselves into thinking Democrats are friendy to workers
organized labor, when the Republicans are in control they and their sock
puppets make sure that as many people as possible hear about this and
demand refunds.

(Politicians playing political games? I'm shocked)

While the exact definitions of what is and is not a direct and valid 
management/labor/contract type expense by a labor union has made plenty of 
lawyers rich, the percentage of union dues that goes to secondary 
functions is usually quite small. 

In my own experience a decade ago as a municipal union officer in NYC,
the number (which was well documented and audited) was roughly 15
percent. And yes, this was refunded to people on request.

Obviously other unions will have different figures, and while most
will be honest and upfront, some are every bit as sleazy as the
corporate titans they're in battle with.

Anyway, my point is simply that, on a strictly direct financial
measure, getting a refund of the "Beck" money will generally not make
a huge difference in the member's wallet. It may still be something
the member wants to do, but in just about all cases it's not going to
lead to the major discount in dues payments that the usual pundits
claim.

_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Danny is correct. There is some
difference of opinion as to the amount of the dues is 'Beck' money
and how much is legitimate union administration fees. But whatever
the amount of money is, **by all means withhold it from the dues**
unless you happen to like whatever cause the union is promoting and
you wish to participate.  Another thing you can do is exercise your
own freedom of speech: on any check you send the union, always be
sure to write the phrase 'extortion payment' in the memo area of the
check.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU>
Subject: Re: The Strike Goes On
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 21:45:28 -0700
Organization: University of Washington


On Tue, 25 May 2004, TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to
Steven J Sobol:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I take it Ohio does not have a 'Right
> to Work' law on the books, which is why you were 'forced' to join
> the union. But there is still a way around that, partially. You can
> join the union, but only be forced to pay the portion of the dues
> which apply to the administration of the union, and withhold the
> (majority of) the dues which the union officials use for whatever
> political causes they are promoting.

In states without Right-To-Work laws, the so-called "representation fee" 
which "union protestors" (people who decline to join the mandatory union) 
must pay is very close to the union dues.


-- Mark --

http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I don't care if the difference is one
dollar or less: **Always demand your money back**.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: Michael Chance <mchance@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: The Strike Goes On
Organization: SBC http://yahoo.sbc.com
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:29:48 GMT


In article <telecom23.258.3@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM Digest Editor
noted in response to pv+usenet@pobox.com: 

> TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org> writes:

>> According to the Independence Reporter for Sunday, May 23, the labor
>> dispute at SBC continues.                                               

> It's over. A tentative agreement was reached early this morning.

The union agreed to essentially SBC's "final" offer.  There was some 
tweaking around the edges of the proposal.  You can read the details of 
the agreement at http://www.sbc.com/Investor/IB_242_5_25_04-830a.pdf

There was an interesting analysis of the strength of the union (or the 
lack thereof) in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch on Friday.  You can read 
the article at http://makeashorterlink.com/?X59B14668

Some info that I heard during the walkout:

- while the vote to approve giving the union leadership the ability to 
call a strike was 90% in favor, only about 10% of the membership 
actually voted.

- SBC did a poll either just before or just after the strike, and 
according to their results, 90% of the CWA union households polled 
indicated that they would accept the offer SBC put on the table last 
week.

- Except for some isolated locations, and the big rally in San Antonio 
on Monday, there were very few picketers at most SBC locations, even on 
Friday when the walkout started.  Given that the union has over 100,000 
members working at SBC, I'd have expected significant numbers at most of 
the work locations when the replacement workers started arriving on 
Friday.

- There have been a few incidents of apparent sabotage either just 
before or during the walkout, and some reported incidents of union 
harassment of either replacement workers or their families by strikers, 
mostly in Michigan and California.

A big question now is what will happen when the IBEW contract with SBC 
(mostly for employees in Illinois) expires at the end of June.

Michael Chance

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Yeah, but is SBC being truthful with 
their employees and the 'final offer'?  If they lie and are deceptive
with their employees to the same extent they are with their customers,
then I'd be most reluctant to accept the offer. 

Yesterday in the US Mail I got still another 'offer' from SBC telling
me how much they wanted me back as a customer. Their latest deal is
$15.95 for the take it all package for six months, then $25.95 per 
month after that. For another $2.00 per month, an hour each month of
long distance, which reverts to $7.00 per month after six months. I
decided to verify that, so I called the business office, waded through
several layers of voice mail hell and another 5-10 minutes on hold. 
When I got through to a rep, she hastened to inform me there was *no
such offer available*, despite the fact that I got a postcard from SBC
telling about it. Finally she looked further and said "Well, but you
would not be eligible for it." and then proceeded to give me a hard
sell line on going back wth SBC.  For that I wasted 15-20 minutes on the
phone.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: My Posting on Norvergence
Organization: ATCC
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 04:03:43 GMT


In article <telecom23.259.10@telecom-digest.org>, stlopes@comcast.net 
says:

> Could you remove this posting from your website? I have resolved my 
> differences with Norvergence.

> Part of my resolution with Norvergence is that I no longer post
> negative points of view toward Norvegence. Every time this post keeps
> popping up, I get a call from Norvergence.

> http://www.mailarchive.ca/lists/comp.dcom.telecom/2003-11/0513.html

> Steve Lopes

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For hopefully the last time, Steve,
> the answer is a three letter word, "N-O-E". Norvergence asked me
> to remove the message, Norvergence then tried to twist the arms
> of the MIT trustees, then their lawyer asked me. You asked me once
> before, your lawyer asked me, and now you are asking me again. Even
> if I were so-inclined -- I am not -- once the message leaves here
> and goes out on net in various archives, not all of which are my
> own, then even God Almighty could not get the message removed. Well,
> I guess God could, if she caused earthquakes and fires all over the
> world at the same time, but that is about it.  No! No! No!   PAT]

This is one of those people for whom the go-back feature in some e-mail 
schemes was written. Lotus Notes had that -- you could cancel that nasty 
e-mail you sent to the boss, or take back that hasty resignation. 

But Usenet isn't like that. Groups get copied all over the place, and I 
do mean that geographically, as in places not subject to U.S. law. 

I would've told both Steve Lopes, his attorney and the attorneys from
Norvergence to go and pound sand if they didn't know how the net
worked and what replication was.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ah, the hotshot lawyers at Norvergence
don't know chicken salad from chicken shit. Their ignorance is the 
reason for their bliss. I am tired of trying to be courteous to those
fools. I encourage them to start a lawsuit.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: a_user2000@yahoo.com (Justin Time)
Subject: Re: My Posting on Norvergence
Date: 26 May 2004 06:26:29 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Steve Lopes <stlopes@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<telecom23.259.10@telecom-digest.org>:

> Could you remove this posting from your website? I have resolved my 
> differences with Norvergence.

> Part of my resolution with Norvergence is that I no longer post
> negative points of view toward Norvegence. Every time this post keeps
> popping up, I get a call from Norvergence.

> http://www.mailarchive.ca/lists/comp.dcom.telecom/2003-11/0513.html

> Steve Lopes

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For hopefully the last time, Steve,
> the answer is a three letter word, "N-O-E". Norvergence asked me
> to remove the message, Norvergence then tried to twist the arms
> of the MIT trustees, then their lawyer asked me. You asked me once
> before, your lawyer asked me, and now you are asking me again. Even
> if I were so-inclined -- I am not -- once the message leaves here
> and goes out on net in various archives, not all of which are my
> own, then even God Almighty could not get the message removed. Well,
> I guess God could, if she caused earthquakes and fires all over the
> world at the same time, but that is about it.  No! No! No!   PAT]

Not having been trained in the rules of courtroom intimidation, it
would seem that the order to Mr. Lopes to not post articles critical
of Norvergence is being obeyed -- if he does not post a NEW message,
then he is compliant.  If someone reposts a previous message, one
filed before the agreement, then he is still compliant as he was not
the originator of the repost.

If the agreement was that he were to remove all postings, then as you
stated Pat, it would take a superhuman action as the order cannot be
enforced in areas that do not recognize the authority of the entity
giving the order to cease and desist.  In other words, all their
lawyers and all our judges can't make the citizen - or server or
database in a different country -- comply with their demands.

Rodgers Platt

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I wonder why the FOOLS cannot see or
understand that www.mailarchive.ca does not equal telecom-digest.org
and that there is no way I can tamper with anything on www.mailarchive.ca .
But so many of these FOOLS make their money off of nonsensical lawsuits
mainly designed to harass people. Read this closely: I strongly
encourage any damn FOOL of an attorney who represents Norvergence or
Steve L. or whoever to bring it on here and now.  PAT]

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From: Steve Lopes <stlopes@comcast.net>
Subject: Re:  My Posting About Norvergence
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:26:29 -0400


Pat,

This is why I asked you to remove it. Norvergence is harassing me again. If
you can remove it would save me a lot of aggravation. If you cannot, they
have already threaten to sue both you and I. I understand your position
though.

  ----- Original Message ----- 

  From: "Jim Gattuso" <jim.gattuso@norvergence.com>
  To: <stlopes@comcast.net>
  Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 9:29 AM
  Subject: RE: My posting

> Mr. Lopes,

> Please be advised you are in breach of Settlement, per section 2 listed
> below.  Failure to remove the aforementioned internet posting within
> (15) fifteen days from the date of this email will result in legal
> action by Norvergence, Inc. against Stanley Steamer and yourself.  Your
> anticipated cooperation in this matter is greatly appreciated.

> Section 2, Settlement Agreement:

> 2. Stanley Steamer Carpet Cleaner agrees to take the necessary
> action(s) required to rescind any and all current and future legal
> actions and Internet postings upon receipt of the above mentioned one
> time payment of $1000.00.


> Thank you,

> Jim Gattuso
> Director of Corporate Affairs
> Norvergence, Inc.
> 550 Broad St., 3rd Floor
> Newark NJ 07102
> 973-242-7500 x4599
> jim.gattuso@norvergence.com

   -----Original Message-----
> From: TELECOM Digest Editor [mailto:ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: ptownson@telecom-digest.org; stlopes@comcast.net
> Cc: Jim Gattuso
> Subject: Re: My posting

> You are going to have to live with it.  Whats in the archives is there
> for good.  I am so sick and tired of hearing about Norvergence either
> way. I do NOT  alter the archives, and that is that.

> Patrick Townson
> TELECOM Digest Editor/Publisher

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Where does Stanley Steamer come into this?
I suggest you write Mr. Gattuso and let him know that the Digest Editor
for one is eagerly awaiting his suit on behalf of his client, Norvergence.
In fact, let him know that *I* am likely to sue him (the attorney, as
an individual) for Barritry (or the filing of useless lawsuits intended
only for harrassment.) Suggest to him that someone may force an appearance
by himself before the appropriate bar association on account of his
inability or unwillingness to understand rules pertaining to my
free speech, my role and immunity as a newsgroup moderator. Steve, if 
you and the attorney are trying to cause me to have another heart attack,
you are doing a damn good job of it. Obviously the only way this matter 
is going to be concluded is for the attorney to go right ahead with
his lawsuit plans. Well, I am waiting ... ah. and they were going to
buy you off for a thousand dollars, eh?   PAT]

------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:25:52 -0400
Subject: Naked DSL - Verizon to Ditch Forced Bundling?
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/44664


In a move to be applauded if true, Verizon hopes to offer "naked" DSL
(not requiring the bundling of local service) before the end of the
year, according to the latest edition of DSL Prime
<http://www.dslprime.com/News_Articles/news_articles.htm>. The tactic
of forced bundling has seen no limit of complaints
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/25808> from users who have
had their DSL line shut off when switching to a local competitor, or
who simply wanted DSL without a local voice component. Responding to
complaints, bell representatives often informed users that simply
providing DSL was either illegal or not technically possible.

Canadian telcos Telus and Bell Canada recently justified the tactic by
claiming that without local service pushing 48-volt DC current through
the lines, the lines would oxidize and fail
<http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1084745406936&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851>. Qwest
also recently decided to begin offering naked DSL
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/39195>. The issue has
recently received more attention as an increasing number of VoIP and
wireless users look to ditch their landlines.

Article plus reader comments at:
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/44664
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/44664

------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:30:51 -0400
Subject: Comcast Plans to Offer Phone Service
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5066666/

Report: Cable firm eyes 40 million households

NEW YORK - Comcast Corp., the largest U.S. cable television operator,
plans to offer a phone service to about 40 million households by the
end of 2006, the Wall Street Journal said on Wednesday.

Comcast executives told the Journal they are moving ahead with plans
for a national rollout and will introduce phone service that uses the
Internet to transmit calls -- a method called voice over Internet
protocol, or VOIP, the Journal said.

Full story at:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5066666/

------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 10:59:32 -0400
Subject: Popular Telephony Announces Peerio444 -- The First Serverless
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/index.jsp?epi-content=GENERIC&newsId=20040526005209&newsLang=en&beanID=202776713&viewID=news_view

Popular Telephony Announces Peerio444 -- The First Serverless
Technology Application for Peer-to-Peer Telephony

NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 26, 2004--SYNOPSIS: Company will be the
first to integrate true peer-to-peer technology in a free Voice Over
Internet Protocol (VoIP) product for consumers; expects to introduce
competitively priced peer-to-peer telephony product for the enterprise
based on this technology later this year.

Popular Telephony Inc., a telecommunications middleware company, today
announced Peerio444(TM) -- the first Voice Over Internet Protocol
(VoIP) application powered by true serverless peer-to-peer
technology. Peerio444 marks the company's introduction of a consumer
application for serverless peer-to-peer telephony, with plans to
introduce a separate enterprise application based on this technology
at SuperComm 2004, Chicago, IL, June 22-24, 2004. Expected to
completely transform traditional telecommunication infrastructures by
eliminating the need for servers and associated hardware, the
patent-pending technology behind both applications will also address
previous scalability, security, redundancy and system issues inherent
in a peer-to-peer network.

Currently in beta testing on a limited basis and expected to be
generally available via free download at www.peerio.com in the coming
weeks, Peerio444 turns a PC into a fully functioning telephone that
allows users to make unlimited, free calls via the Internet to other
PCs, as well as low-cost PC-to-phone calls. Inspired by the principles
of peer-to-peer computing, the forthcoming enterprise application will
enable companies to create and deploy a wide-scale serverless IP
telephony network. Popular Telephony's groundbreaking technology will
enable application developers to create VoIP-enabled applications to
bring peer-to-peer telephony to a wide audience.

"We anticipate that within ten years there will only be peer-to-peer
calls placed over the telephony network, making it the de-facto
standard for next generation telecommunications," said Dmitry
Goroshevsky, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Popular Telephony
Inc. "Built on open standards and inspired by the principles of true
peer-to-peer computing, we expect the enabling technology behind
Peerio444 to become a basic platform for peer-to-peer
telecommunications. Peerio444 will be forever free to consumers and is
phase one of Popular Telephony's plan to become the leader in
peer-to-peer telephony."

Calls placed using Peerio444 technology will be connected to any PC or
telephone number -- including mobile phones, 800 and international
numbers -- via a built-in telephony interface. The technology is
currently compatible with Windows and Linux operating systems, with
plans to add Macintosh compatibility later this year, and provides
users with more free features than a traditional landline phone,
including voicemail, call waiting, call hold, call transfer, contact
management and filters. Unlike existing peer-to-peer VoIP technology,
Peerio444 is not monitored by switchboards or Spyware, does not
contain Adware or other backdoor profit tools and does not restrict
users to call only other standard VoIP applications.

Compatible with industry standards for VoIP, including H.323 and
Session Initiation Protocol (SIP), Peerio444 is relevant to both
consumers and application developers:

-- For consumers, the technology can be applied as ready-to-use,
   downloadable, standards-based, feature-rich client software for
   peer-to-peer communication.

-- For developers, the open source application and the proprietary
   Peerio444 core library will enable them to create an enhanced
   peer-to-peer application for voice communications. The highly
   portable core library will be supported by a dedicated team at
   Popular Telephony, ensuring a high level of technical support,
   product updates, roadmaps and documentation.

"With VoIP services gaining significant momentum in today's markets,
evidenced by the number of legacy telecommunications firms that have
recently launched VoIP divisions, Popular Telephony is helping to
bring a cutting-edge technology to a wider audience," said Stanley
Blau, Managing Director of PS Capital, a member of the Board of
Directors of the Telecommunications Industry Association (TIA) and
Vice Chair of the Enterprise Communications Association
(www.encomm.org). Blau, who is also a member of Popular Telephony's
advisory board, added, "This move, coupled with additional growth
plans in 2004, strongly positions Popular Telephony as a leader in the
peer-to-peer telephony market."

------------------------------

From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 12:20:23 -0400
Subject: Comcast Announces VoIP Service
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20040526S0001

TechWeb News 

Comcast Corp., the nation's largest cable-television operator, will
begin to roll out its VoIP offerings next year, in anticipation of
providing the service to 40 million households in 2006.  In announcing
the move Wednesday, Comcast noted that it will continue testing the
Internet-telephone service in three markets this year. Initial tests
with VoIP in Boston and Minneapolis were successful, the firm said,
and influenced its decision to forge ahead with Web phoning. To work
efficiently, VoIP must travel over broadband, and Comcast has several
million broadband subscribers, placing it in a strong position to take
advantage of the nascent Web-phoning technology.

"We're hopeful voice telephony will allow our industry, yet again, to
have another growth product," Comcast chief executive Brian Roberts
told The Wall Street Journal. The VoIP announcement came just days
after the cable company abandoned its campaign to take over the Walt
Disney Co.

Full story at:
http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20040526S0001 

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