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TELECOM Digest     Sat, 8 May 2004 14:24:00 EDT    Volume 23 : Issue 230

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Ditching Copper - Getting Fax Machines and VoIP to Play Nice (VOIP News)
    ENUM is Happening in the Cable Industry (VOIP News)
    Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio (dannykewl)
    Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio (Steven J Sobol)
    Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio (Jared)
    Re: Newspaper Promotes Nonsense  ANOTHER THREAD BEING CLOSED (Paul Vader)
    Caller ID Blocked to Long Distance Service - Please Help (Janet K)
    IBM Card Programmed Calculator (Lisa Hancock)
    IP Office 403 (Mark P)
    ZDnet Reviews VOIP - Vonage Their Pick (John Bartley)
    Best Price on Home Phone Service? (Dave Hauss)
    Re: Winning the Election The Republican Way  THREAD CLOSED (mcook@prodigy)
    Employment Opportunity: Looking for Telecom (BSCS/Arbor) Consultants (jobs)
    USR 5410 Wifi PC Card Not Transmitting (Mario)
    5.8GHz 2 line phones (SELLCOM Tech support)
    Re: 3-D TV Is Closer Than You Think (Phil McKerracher)
    Re: Newspaper Promotes Nonsense  ANOTHER THREAD BEING CLOSED (Frank@nospam)

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From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:23:54 -0400
Subject: Ditching Copper - Getting Fax machines and VoIP to play nice
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/43548

While VoIP is a fantastic new toy for many, it often doesn't play
particularly well with older copper reliant technology (like many
security systems
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/43307>). Many broadband
users have often reported problems with fax machines working properly
with their VoIP service. One user in our VoIP forum
<http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,10124997~mode=flat>
finds that by using a DSL filter in reverse orientation, their fax
problems all but disappeared. The question now is, does the same
method allow users to conquer one of the last great VoIP roadblocks:
allowing your DirecTV/Tivo modem to dial out via your VoIP connection.

Article plus comments found at:
http://www.broadbandreports.com/shownews/43548

How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home:
http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html

If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/

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From: VOIP News <voip news>
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 11:55:32 -0400
Subject: ENUM is Happening in the Cable Industry
Reply-To: VoIPnews@yahoogroups.com


This is excerpted from The Jeff Pulver Blog at:
http://192.246.69.231/jeff/personal/index.html

ENUM is Happening in the Cable Industry

This week at NCTA, VeriSign announced the launch of their MSO-IP
Connect VoIP Routing Service.

Leveraging private ENUM technology, VeriSign has put themselves in the
position to offer to interconnect the Broadband IP Networks of Cable
Operators and provide a means for IP calls to/from each of their
members to stay on the Cable Network and not touch the public switched
telephone network. In effect, offering an implementation that might be
covered by aspects of the FCC's "Pulver Order." VeriSign's product
also provides billing and settlement services. I'm not sure why this
would be needed since in my book, all calls that traverse these
private IP networks should be free.

Looking at the evolution of end-to-end IP, VeriSign's announcement is
significant insomuch that it is a foreshadowing of things to come. I
expect to see others come forward in the near future and offer similar
services for other types of service providers.

Posted by jeff at 11:06 AM

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From: dannykewl <bwana1NOSPAMMERS@lycos.com>
Subject: Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio Programming
Date: Fri, 7 May 2004 02:32:01 -0400
Organization: Cox Communications


In my opinion, this act will not affect your ability to watch/listen
to foreign broadcasts. I believe this bill restricts the importation
of the *equipment* itself that may be used to view or decode
cable/satellite programming. The FCC in the US has all kinds of
regulations regarding receiving and encoding equipment. These
restrictions may be to limit getting paid services for free (such as
the descramblers being offered in Spam mail) and/or restricting
devices that may cause RFI (radio frequency interference).

Mark Crispin <mrc@CAC.Washington.EDU> wrote in message
news:telecom23.229.7@telecom-digest.org...

> The Canadian House of Commons is considering a bill, C-2, which will
> make it illegal to receive foreign satellite TV and radio programming
> in Canada.  Canada already has censorship of US newspapers and US TV
> programming carried on carried on Canadian cable TV systems.

> The text of the bill can be found here:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/37/3/parlbus/chambus/house/bills/government/C-2/C-2_1/
90248bE.html

> The penalty for watching Al-Jazerra, Telemundo, or any other foreign
> programming that the Canadian provers say isn't worth their while to
> carry, or that the Canadian government does not want its residents to see
> (such as FOX News), in Canada is C$25,000 and a year in the slammer.

> It doesn't matter that you are paying the provider for the service.  If
> it's not approved by the Canadian Association of Broadcasters (who have
> donated heavily to the ruling Liberal Party), you aren't allowed to see
> it.  Also in favor of C-2 are Bell Canada and Shaw Communications, the
> only autorized satellite providers in Canada, who have also donated over
> C$320,000 to the Liberal Party.

> Among the interesting provisions of this bill is one that permits the
> Canadian police to examine any "computer or data processing system", and
> copy anything stored on that system.  "We don't need no stinkin' warrant,
> eh!"

> It also provides for summary conviction.

> One Canadian was quoted by the CBC as saying: ""This is the equivalent of
> somebody going into Chapters and trying to find a book and Chapters says
> 'we don't actually sell that book.' So you buy it from Amazon.com.  If
> Chapters then turned around and complained, you'd have to say 'well, look,
> you had the choice of selling me the book but you chose not to do that.'"

> In answer, Philippe Tousignant of the Canadian Radio-television and
> Telecommunications Commission said "we have to give priority to Canadian
> services."

> It isn't just Canadians with a DirecTV dish (with the bill going to a
> relative in the US) at home who are up in arms.  Many members of Canada
> ethnic minorities are also complaining bitterly that Canadian cable and
> satellite providers say that the Canadian market is too small to bother
> with foreign language programming -- even when the CRTC has licensed these
> channels to be carried!

> -- Mark --

> http://staff.washington.edu/mrc
> Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate.
> Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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From: Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio Programming
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 10:19:30 -0500


Mark Crispin <mrc@cac.washington.edu> wrote:
 
> Among the interesting provisions of this bill is one that permits the 
> Canadian police to examine any "computer or data processing system", and 
> copy anything stored on that system.  "We don't need no stinkin' warrant, 
> eh!"

> It also provides for summary conviction.

Wow, and I thought the Patriot Act and the RIAA sucked. It's nice to know
you can buy high-quality legislators in Canada just as you can here.
 

JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA   PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
Domain Names, $9.95/yr, 24x7 service: http://DomainNames.JustThe.net/
"someone once called me a sofa, but i didn't feel compelled to rush out and buy
slip covers." -adam brower * Hiroshima '45, Chernobyl '86, Windows 98/2000/2003

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Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 11:12:37 -0600
From: jared@nospam.au (jared)
Subject: Re: Canada to Criminalize Watching Foreign TV and Radio Programming


Many countries recognise a danger that American dross will swamp their
own culture. Canada not only shares a border but also a language (for
the majority) and so is particularly at risk. Looks as if by trying to
protect against their southern neighbor's lowest-common-denominator
programming they are blocking the rest of the world, too.

Culture aside, money talks. Exporting movies and radio & TV
programming is gravy for the USA exporter as their own country's large
market has paid for production costs. It's hard on the other country's
producers as they have to pay all costs for their work across a small
market vice import pricing at marginal cost. Hence we see entrenched
media interests putting their cash on the line to block imports under
the guise of cultural protection.

> The Canadian House of Commons is considering a bill, C-2, which will
> make it illegal to receive foreign satellite TV and radio programming
> in Canada.  Canada already has censorship of US newspapers and US TV
> programming carried on carried on Canadian cable TV systems.

> In answer, Philippe Tousignant of the Canadian Radio-television and 
> Telecommunications Commission said "we have to give priority to Canadian 
> services."

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From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: Newspaper Promotes Nonsense  ANOTHER THREAD BEING CLOSED
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 15:43:41 -0000
Organization: Inline Software Creations


pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader) writes:

> was going on we might as well deal with that perennial favorite, gun
> control for a while also.   PAT]

If I want to participate in a gun debate, I'll go to a newsgroup with
'gun' in the name. I'm in a moderated group with 'telecom' in it because I
expect to see stuff related to telecommunications there, not flame bait. *

* PV   something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
       like corkscrews.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am thinking about starting an 'alt'
newsgroup for the political discussions which get in here, and am
trying to decide what name to give it. Make your suggestions, please.
Some suggestions already made for your consideration to give you an
idea what direction this would go: alt.dcom.telecomdigest.politics, 
alt.moderator.knows.best, alt.patrick.townson.is.always.right, alt.netwits, 
and others suggested. Make your suggestions if you want to see such a
thing started. Obviously it would have to be unmoderated, both by
virtue of how alt groups are set up, and because I am getting increasingly
dizzy (physically, mentally, etc) and a new newsgroup right now is
just a bit too much for me to chew. Anyway, make your suggestions, I
will eventually ask John Levine to newgroup it and it will be off and
running.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: janetk@ieee.org (janet k)
Subject: Caller ID Blocked to Long Distance Service - Please Help
Date: 7 May 2004 10:33:33 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


My mother in Ohio has phone service with SBC and has been using USA
datanet for long distance calls.  USA datanet does not have a local
access number in Ohio, so she has been dialing an 800 number to make
her long distance calls.  Recently, she cannot use the service because
her home phone number is being blocked and the service does not
recognize her as a subscriber.  She has tried *82 and *67 options and
has repeatedly contacted both companies.  Each company blames the
other for the problem and will not initiate a call on her behalf.

She is a 90 year old woman who lives by herself with her children out
of state.  It has been over a month since she has been able to call
them using her USA datanet access.  I have also tried calling the
companies, the FCC and the Ohio PUC with very little success.

Any idea on getting her number unblocked? We're at a stalemate.

Janet K.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My suggestion would be instead of
wasting your time and hers trying to correct a problem with a long
distance service which may not be the best deal around anyway, just
get her converted to some other company at more or less the same
prices or possibly a little better. SBC comes to mind. You could get
her converted to one-plus dialing on SBC for three or four cents per
minute, depending on her volume of calls. Check through the various
SBC plans and choose what is appropriate for her needs. Or if you will
tell us here about how much long distance calling she does in a 
month's time, I am sure guys here could help you plan her package. SBC
is just an example; there are many dial one plus arrangements which 
bill through her regular phone account for convenience and are cheap
enough. DO NOT get her all wrapped up in situations where she has to 
dial either an 800 number or some other 'local access number' first. PAT]

------------------------------

From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Hancock)
Subject: IBM Card Programmed Calculator
Date: 7 May 2004 10:53:21 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Most histories of computers and communications focus on the big
things, such as the ENIAC and UNIVAC.  But machines like the CPC did
valuable day-to-day work.  Programming this machine and developing
improved control circuitry laid the ground floor for improved
computers and commmunications.  IIRC, IBM invented the wire contact
relay which was vital in the crossbar switch logic.

As a result of technological advances made during the WW II, there was
a big push for aerospace and other advanced engineering development.
This work required considerable calculations.

To meet that need, companies quickly snatched up the IBM's punched
card tabulating machines which included a simple electronic
calculator.

IBM interconnected its otherwise independent tab machines and the
result was the CPC which had sophisticated programming control.  While
not a true stored-program computer like today, the machine was quite
powerful.

More importantly, the CPC filled a need that no other machine at the
time could meet.  There were only a few electronic computers available
in the early postwar era and they were enormously expensive to acquire
and operate.  The CPC was essentially a poor man's computing device
and allowed a smaller companies to take advantage of electronic
calculations.

IBM has a webpage now up on this machine:

http://www-1.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/space/space_card.html

------------------------------

From: madman_37412@yahoo.com (Mark P)
Subject: IP Office 403
Date: 7 May 2004 11:21:28 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I'm having to record some malicious phone calls.  I have the record
feature setup, but it comes on with a warning message.  This would
probably cause the caller to hangup.

I'm in TN so only one party needs to know prior to recording the
calls.

Any ideas?

------------------------------

From: John Bartley <johnbartley@email.com>
Date: Fri, 07 May 2004 12:35:12 -0800
Subject: ZDnet Reviews VOIP - Vonage Their Pick


http://reviews-zdnet.com.com/Internet_Phones/4520-9140_16-5131535-1.html

Anyone find any points in the reviews they don't concur in?

Was anything relevant omitted?

Many thanks, all.


John E. Bartley, III   503-BAR-TLEY   K7AAY 
This post quad-ROT13 encrypted; reading it violates the DMCA.

 ... We're living in a collaborative SF novel... and now, of course, 
it's Philip K. Dick's turn.  In a back room somewhere, Vernor Vinge and George
Orwell are currently arguing about who gets to take over in 2025. (Ross Smith)

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The review is rather good, and I hope
everyone who is considering VOIP will take some time to read it. And
since just by asking, you can get a free month of Vonage (actually the
second month of whatever service plan you chose) why not give Vonage a
try? Just write me and ask for an e-coupon to use when signing
up. After a month or three of running in parallel with your existing
phone service, if Vonage does not work for you, then just dump it with
no other obligations.  Write  ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu

------------------------------

From: dahauss@unlimitedsounds.com (Dave Hauss)
Subject: Best Price on Home Phone Service?
Date: 7 May 2004 13:40:57 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I live in the southern NJ (856) area code. Can someone provide me with
the best rate on flat rate phone service? IE local and long distance?
Can you also tell me if the service provides DSL?

Thanks.

------------------------------

From: mcook@prodigy.net (mcook@prodigy.net)
Subject: Re: Winning the Election The Republican Way  THREAD CLOSED
Date: 7 May 2004 16:23:19 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.229.8@telecom-digest.org>:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The way I read that, they were not
>> denied the right (in the first place) to approach the ballot box and
>> cast their vote; but rather, in a regular, routine audit of the voters
>> who appeared to cast votes, they were disqualified later on the basis
>> of their alleged felony crimes. Did I get that wrong?  PAT]

> Yah, you got that wrong.  They were not permitted to vote.  (Once they
> voted there would not have been any way to void their vote, since how
> a person votes is not recorded.)

"Some ... claim that many legitimate voters "of all ethnic and racial
groups, but particularly blacks" were illegally swept from the rolls
through the state's efforts to ban felons from voting. There is no
evidence of that. Instead, the evidence points to just the opposite,
that election officials were mostly permissive, not obstructionist,
when unregistered voters presented themselves."

See: Miami Herald Report, Democracy Held Hostage p. 105

> Secretary of State Katherine Harris provided counties with a "purge
> list" of alleged felons compiled by ChoicePoint, a private company
> with Republican connections.

According to Mary Berry (D), the chairwomen for the USCCR:

"What happened in Florida is that there was bipartisan
disenfranchisement - Democrats who were county supervisors did not do
what they were supposed to do, and neither did the governor nor the
secretary of state," she said.

And

"The commission inquiry found no "conclusive evidence" that officials
"conspired" to disenfranchise minority and disabled voters, the report
said."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2001-06-05-election.htm

> Counties were supposed to attempt to verify the information, but if
> they could not demonstrate it was incorrect, remove the names from
> the voter rolls.

"Then director of the Division of Elections, Ethel Baxter, issued the
first of a series of memos on August 11, 1998, regarding the list
maintenance activities performed by the supervisors of elections. At
that time, Ms. Baxter described the central voter file as the
division's "first experience with a statewide database" and said that
it "cannot be a 100 percent accurate list."

and

"It is your responsibility to attempt to verify the accuracy of the
information on the list, and remove, prior to the next election, any
person who is deceased, convicted of a felony, or mentally
incapacitated with respect to voting. If you have doubts as to whether
or not the felony information is accurate or are unable to verify the
accuracy of the information, we recommend that affected persons
execute the affidavit prescribed in section 101.49, Florida statutes.
In short, if there is reasonable doubt as to the accuracy of the
information, you should allow a person to vote."

http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/report/ch5.htm

With 41 of Florida's 67 county election boards controlled by
Democrats, I find it hard to believe the Democrats would be involved
in a wholesale removal of voters who would vote 90% for their
canidiate.

> Counties varied a lot in what they did to verify the information,
> from nothing, to sending a letter to the voter, to sending multiple
> letters and publishing the list.

It does not seem that the protential felon list changed the election.

"At least 108 law-abiding people were purged from the voter rolls as
suspected criminals, only to be cleared after the election. DBT's
computers had matched these people with felons, though in dozens of
cases they did not share the same name, birthdate, gender or race. One
Naples man was told he couldn't vote because he was linked with a
felon still serving time in a Moore Haven prison."

"Florida officials cut from the rolls 996 people convicted of crimes
in other states, though they should have been allowed to vote. Before
the election, state officials said felons could vote only if they had
written clemency orders, although most other states automatically
restore voting rights to felons when they complete their sentences.
This policy conflicted with a 1998 court ruling that said Florida had
"no authority" to deny civil rights to those who had them restored in
other states. After the election, the state changed its policy."

Source: The Palm Beach Post, Felon Purge Sacrificed Innocent Voters,
5/27/2001

See: http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0527-03.htm

The Post also found that is was Gore may have benefited errors on the
felon list, not Bush. They found 5,643 felons illegally cast ballots.
The registrations came down 68% Democrat. Do the math and you will see
that Gore benefited from these illegal votes by a net of some 2,000
votes. This number clearly defeats the claim of 1,104 by the Palm
Beach Post.

Source: The Palm Beach Post, Thousands of Felons Voted Despite Purge,
5/28/2001

This was the original link,
http://www.gopbi.com/partners/pbpost/epaper/editions/today/news_1.html

Here is another.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Al-Gore-2004-Community/message/11378?source=1

> The potential voter (if they were notified at all) had the burden of
> proving they were not a felon.

Fla. Stat. 98.0975 was enacted under Gov. Lawton Chiles(D)in 1997. Why
would a Democrat Governor enact a law that would work in that way?

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: My question would be how can you prove 
you are NOT something? (as in felon). It seems like it would be a lot
easier for the state to prove I *was* a felon rather than me having to
prove I was *not* a felon.  Anyway, THREAD is CLOSED.  Thanks.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: jobs <jobs@technoforce.biz>
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 12:57:38 +0800
Subject: Looking for Telecom (BSCS/Arbor) Consultants
Reply-To: telecom-news@yahoogroups.com


We are an international Information Technology (IT) company, with focus
in providing Software Solutions, Software Products/tools, Software
Consultancy and Out Sourcing. We are looking for the following resource
for our project. 
 

Job Location         : Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Contract Duration    : 2 years -extendable
Salary               : Negotiable
 

Requirement details:
 
Experience in the telecommunication Industry preferably in area of
prepaid services and systems.
 
Minimum  Technical  Requirement:

*	7 years  minimum programming experience in the below

         i)Unix Shell/Awk/Perl script (Important)
        ii)RDBMS/ ORACLE Database Management
       iii)SQL
       iv)Pro-C
       V)C++

*	Experience in the telecommunication Industry, BSCS (Postpaid) 

*	Experience in the Windows NT 

*	Familier with the Post Paid bill format 

*	Experience in CMSS system (user) 

*	Good problem solving and advisory skill 

*	Good verbal, written and documentation skill

Desirable Requirements :

*	Knowledgeable in the EBPS application and the relevant checkfree
utilities used by the application. 

*	Knowledgeable in the Electronic Bill Presentment, Online Credit
Card and M-Billing applications

Interested candidates, kindly send your detailed resume with expected
salary & availability to jobs@technoforce.biz
<mailto:jobs@peopleassociates.com> 

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From: mandm@flashnet.it (Mario)
Subject: USR 5410 WiFi PC Card Not Transmitting
Date: 8 May 2004 05:28:45 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Hello,

I have an ADSL wifi network, and in a laptop I have a usr5410 wifi
turbo pc card, which is green enabled , link quality 100%, signal
strength 84% and it sees the right mac address adsl gateway on the
network, but if I do a ping to the wifi access point or try to
navigate it doesnt seam to transmit at all.

Why? What maybe the problem?


Thanks,

Mario

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From: SELLCOM Tech support <support@sellcom.com>
Subject: 5.8GHz 2 Line Phones
Organization: www.sellcom.com
Reply-To: support@sellcom.com
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 04:29:55 GMT


In a desperate attempt to start an "on topic" thread ...

A sincere question.

Why are there no 2 line 5.8GHz cordless phones?

Is there a technical or legal (FCC yada yada) reason for it to be
impractical for manufacturers?

We get many requests for multiline 5.8 cordless phones.

Steve at SELLCOM

http://www.sellcom.com
Discount multihandset cordless phones by Siemens, AT&T, Panasonic, Motorola
Vtech 5.8Ghz; TMC ET4000 4line Epic phone, OnHoldPlus, Beamer, Watchguard!
Brick wall "non MOV" surge protection. Mini-Splitter log splitter!
If you sit at a desk www.ergochair.biz you owe it to yourself.

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From: Phil McKerracher <phil@mckerracher.org>
Subject: Re: 3-D TV Is Closer Than You Think
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 15:01:22 GMT
Organization: blueyonder (post doesn't reflect views of blueyonder)


Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote in message
news:telecom23.229.4@telecom-digest.org...

> ... With the technology ready long before the content, it's an
> evolution that's similar to that of HDTV, and it will require
> equally daunting upgrades to the infrastructure that delivers
> television signals into homes...

Hmm, maybe not. One big advantage of the digital infrastructure that
is now replacing the old analogue one is that the bits can encode any
type of content. So, although the infrastructure for production and
display of 3D content will indeed require daunting upgrades, the
infrastructure that actually distributes this content may not have to
change at all.

Also, backward compatibility is easier to achieve, therefore it's not
necessary to upgrade the whole infrastructure at once.

So I would guess it will be significantly easier to deploy than HDTV
was (assuming the deployment starts in ten years' time).

Phil McKerracher
www.mckerracher.org

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From: Frank@nospam.biz
Subject: Re: Newspaper Promotes Nonsense  ANOTHER THREAD BEING CLOSED
Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 07:24:54 -0700
Organization: Cox Communications


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Well, as my competitor, the New York
> Times would say, "All the news that fits, print it." I figured as long
> as I put my deseased brain on hold -- gave it a couple days rest while
> the discussion on being certain to vote democratic next time around
> was going on we might as well deal with that perennial favorite, gun
> control for a while also.   PAT]

Control Ashcroft, not guns.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Nothing like a little joke, some good
humor to close out a thread. And 'control Ashcroft' is such a thing. I
mean, can you actually see that happening? This thread, like the one 
about voting democratic is no longer 'being closed'. It *IS* closed,
at least until/if/when a new alt group is started for devotees of 
telecomdigest.politics and moderator.knows.best gets started.   PAT]

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