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TELECOM Digest     Fri, 5 Mar 2004 02:20:00 EST    Volume 23 : Issue 105

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Phone Cos. to Counterattack Cable TV (Tony P.)
    Re: Need to Block Outgoing Calls to Specific Numbers (Sammy@nospam.biz)
    Re: Memories: Enterprise -vs- Zenith Numbers (Laura Halliday)
    Re: Vonage with Modem and Fax (John Levine)
    Re: Wireless and Internet Phones not Yet Reliable For 911 (Griswold Jr.)
    Re: (Claims to Be) Cellular-Phone Dealer in Nigeria (Steven J Sobol)
    Re: Verizon Wireless/Verizon Airfone Offer 10 Cents/Minute (Novosielski)
    Re: Unauthorized Phone Charges Appearing on Local Phone Bill (Donaldson)
    Re: More Re: the GTE Side of Verizon (Linc Madison)

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From: Tony P. <kd1s@nospamplease.verizon.reallynospam.net>
Subject: Re: Phone Cos. to Counterattack Cable TV
Organization: ATCC
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:11:10 GMT


In article <telecom23.103.13@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM Digest
Editor Noted in response to sjsobol@JustThe.net: 

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You know, Steve, the more I read about
> SBC, the happier I am I got rid of them for good in my house. They
> seem to be less and less interested in providing good phone service
> and much more into becoming a media conglomerate these days. I got a
> piece of mail from them yesterday. Another one of their 'please,
> please come back to us' mailings, with all the usual cut rate deals
> they are offering for one year, only $25 dollars for this and only
> three cents per minute on that, free installation, a fifty dollar gift
> card, and how they have finally begun to take notice now that in their
> own words, sixty thousand Kansas residents have jumped ship on them
> and gone elsewhere. Trouble is, I just can't trust them. They seem to
> lie so much.  I'm quite happy with Prairie Stream, thanks.  PAT]

That sounds almost like what Cox is doing here in Rhode Island. You
see - I ditched them a couple months ago because of their predatory
pricing model. Went DSL and Sat and spend less per month.

In any case -- while I had Cox Digital cable you never saw a sat ad, only 
ads for Cox services. I know why -- they were putting their own ads over 
the sat ads. Nice huh? Now they're even blasting their ads on the local 
channels offering half off for the first 3 to 6 months, etc. And I'm 
seeing sat dishes popping up everywhere. It's a beautiful thing to see 
Cox running scared. 

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I just now realized I misquoted the
letter from Southwestern Bell. They did NOT say 'sixty thousand
Kansas residents had jumped ship on them. They said about sixty
thousand *former* customers (who had left earlier) had decided to 
return. I am sure there were many others who have not returned, so
the total number of ship jumpers would be how many ever jumped less
the sixty thousand who had come back.  That's Kansas alone. I think
that Prairie Stream/Terraword got most of those.  That's great!  PAT] 

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From: Sammy@nospam.biz
Subject: Re: Need to Block Outgoing Calls to Specific Numbers
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 12:57:21 -0800
Organization: Cox Communications


The only way you can solve that problem is to pay for call rejection
service for those three folks.  Then, they can set the list (usually a
maximum of 10 numbers) to reject calls from your number.

Withheld at Users Request wrote:

> [PAT - In the interest of privacy, please delete my .sig and email
> address from this post.  Thanks.]

> I'm looking for a way to block outgoing calls to three specific phone
> numbers.  The problem is a relative with Alzheimer's who repeatedly
> calls a couple of neighbors (dozens of times a day), to the point that
> they're threatening to call the police.  I'd like to be able to simply
> disallow calls to those numbers.

> Obviously we don't want to interfere with her ability to call 911, or
> call friends or family members.  We really only need to shut down
> these three specific phone numbers.  And yes, we're also taking steps
> to get her to stop trying to call these people in the first place.

> I'm pretty sure telco can block _incoming_ calls _from_ a certain
> number, and this might be an option -- I could offer to pay for this
> service on the neighbors' lines.  But I'd rather handle it on the
> originating end if possible.  I plan to call telco tomorrow and see if
> they offer an outbound-blocking feature.

> Barring that, is there a piece of hardware that can do this?  I didn't
> see anything on sandman.com.  Mike's got some restrictors but they look
> to be too general for what I want to do; I want to allow everything
> EXCEPT three specific phone numbers.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think Mike has 'toll restrictor'
> devices which are programmable. Ask him for specific details. If they
> are programmable -- to a deep enough level -- at least seven or eight
> digits -- you can accomplish this. If they can restrict all the way,
> then you have it made. If they can only restrict any six digits, then
> percievably you could catch those three numbers but *maybe* a 'good'
> number she calls might get caught as well. Also, consider a mechanical
> dialer to set next to the phone with eight or ten or twelve or more
> numbers (NOT the ones she is offending) then go inside the phone and
> disconnect the touch tones, so she has to use the dialer device to
> make all her calls. I do not think telco will disallow specific local
> numbers. You can reach Mike's office on 630-980-7710. I'd suggest yo
> ask Mike in confidence for details. Ask him how to program the toll
> restrictors to do what you need to have done.  PAT]

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From: marsgal42@hotmail.com (Laura Halliday)
Subject: Re: Memories: Enterprise -vs- Zenith Numbers
Date:  4 Mar 2004 13:40:28 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Speaking of the old Nevada Bell, did 
> you ever see their telephone book? One book *only* for the entire
> state...

I was recently in Costa Rica on vacation, and the entire country is
one phone book. Two volumes: residential white pages in one volume,
business white pages and yellow pages in the other, published by
Verizon. The phone numbers are 7 digits, with no area codes. You just
dial the number, with no indication of local or long distance.

The white pages are divided up by province, from Alajuela to San
Jose. Like much of Latin America the Costa Ricans don't use house
numbers, so the addresses in the phone book tended to be cryptic. The
hotel I stayed at in San Jose gave its full street address (250m west
of the Escazu Country Club, old highway to Santa Ana, San Rafael de
Escazu) only in the yellow pages.

In B.C. we used Zenith numbers, by the way. Yes, BCTel was owned by
GTE ...


Laura Halliday VE7LDH     "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg                    pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W       - Hospital/Shafte

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Date: 4 Mar 2004 23:05:29 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: Vonage with Modem and Fax
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


> I'm talking about running a regular modem, such as a Zoom, USR, etc,
> over a Vonage phoneline.  I'm assuming if a standard telephone works
> over the Vonage lines then a standard analog modem would as well,

Forget it.

> They say Fax machines will work, but Faxes are generally 9600 bps. 
> I need 28,800 bps for a good PPP connection.

I find that faxes usually work, but their compression scheme is written
with faxes in mind.  If you need 28K dialup, you need a real phone.

I like my Vonage phone just fine, but I wouldn't want it as the only
phone in the house because it doesn't work when the power fails, and
its 911 service is inferior to that on a real phone.


Regards,

John Levine johnl@iecc.com Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies
Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, 
Sewer Commissioner
"I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly.

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I tried this experiment as I promised I
would do in the last issue. When I tried plugging a fax machine
directly into the Vonage adapter, it worked fine. When I plugged in
one of the (computer) modems directly to the Vonage adapter, it worked
mostly okay at 300-1200 baud, or even 9600 baud. But it just would not
do any better. So my suggestion would be to put Vonage on for your
main line and also keep one telco line as an overflow for the Vonage
and for your incoming dialup sessions.    PAT]

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From: Clark W. Griswold, Jr. <73115.1041@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Wireless and Internet Phones not Yet Reliable For 911
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:03:51 -0700
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


Sammy@nospam.biz wrote:

> In the case of wireless service, if the user has half a brain they
> should understand that 911 is a crap shoot when away from home.  If
> they have a fully functioning brain they should realize that all local
> and county police have a 10-digit number that will go to emergency
> dispatch 24 hours a day.  Most of the time such numbers are listed.
> If they aren't they can be found easily by calling the cop's listed
> business number and asking.

It's not just 911 wireless that is a crap shoot. The shall be nameless
metroplex (>500K population) I live in has a 911 center that appears
to be run as a patronage make work, social services department for the
local government.

Articles regularly appear in the local paper about callers being hung
up on and insufficient staffing. Considering that more than enough
funds should be available from the 911 phone tax to support such a
center, one doesn't have to wonder very hard about what is going on.

A few years back, the police dispatch office was moving from one
location to another. The new office was served by a different CO and
thus the very easy to remember direct line to the dispatchers who knew
how to handle a call was going to change. The city tried to make the
argument that since the public should be using 911, dropping the old
direct line number wasn't a problem.

They received so much flack from the public that they ordered remote
call forwarding for the old number.

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From: Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: (Claims to Be) Cellular-Phone Dealer in Nigeria
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:46:30 -0600


Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.nonocom> wrote:
 
> [Lots of trash deleted]

> First of all how much faith can someone have for an ALL CAPS post.

> Second of all this is *obviously* a scam.

> Common knowledge says don't do business with Nigeria, Indonesia or
> Romania when dealing with mobile phones.  The old addage of if it
> looks too good to be true it probably is.

Um, I'd like to clarify my post: I agree with this. I receive offers
to buy bulk cellphones/PINs/etc from the USA, and I suspect that at
least some of THEM are legitimate. Not the ones from Nigeria.
 

JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) / sjsobol@JustThe.net
PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED

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From: Gary Novosielski <gpn@suespammers.org>
Subject: Re: Verizon Wireless and Verizon Airfone Offer 10 Cents-a-Minute
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 03:30:24 GMT


Here's another opportunity to get ripped off by believing what the
news release says.  And yes, if one were inclined to be suspicious,
one might conclude that the language is intentionally misleading.

A quick reading (come to think of it, even a CAREFUL reading) of this
news release makes it seem as though VZW customers who want the
$.10/min rate must subscribe to the $10/month service, while customers
who want the $.69/min rate (with no other charges) need do nothing.

THIS IS NOT THE CASE!  You need to "sign up" for EITHER the
subscription or the non-subscription feature. If you do nothing and
place a call from an AirFone handset, you'll be charged the normal
~$4/min rate.

What Verizon could have stated clearly, but chose not to, but which
I've managed to drag out of the customer service drones is the
following:

The plan has two rate levels:

10 cents per AirFone minute with a $10 monthly fee    (frequent user)
69 cents per AirFone minute with no monthly fee (occasional user)

To sign up for EITHER plan, you dial *611 from your VZW handset, which
MUST be TXT-message compatible.  Once you get a human, you tell them
you want to sign up for the "AirFone for Verizon Wireless Customers"
feature.  If you want the $.69/min plan, you tell them you want the
"Flat Rate-No Monthly Charge" option.  Yes, that's a misleading name
too, because it's not "Flat Rate" it's $.69/min.  Just make sure
you're not signing up for the $10/month plan by mistake.

You should expect them to be completely unfamiliar with this feature
and to have to go looking up memos or consulting with their
supervisor, but they will eventually figure it out.

Once they punch the proper code to add the feature to your account
(it's available on all Verizon rate plans except pre-paid) you should,
within seconds, receive a TXT-message to your handset containing your
password (actually a four-digit PIN number).  SAVE THIS NUMBER.  This
is the number you will need to enter on the AirFone seatback handset
to avoid the ~$4/min charges, and to start forwarding your mobile
number to your seatback while in flight.

The forwarding lasts until you cancel it, or it times out (based on
the length of the flight), or until you power on your wireless
handset, whichever occurs first.

This PIN will undoubtedly be different from any other PIN you have,
such as voice mail or web access, and IT CANNOT BE CHANGED.  Better
write that puppy down and keep it in a safe place, especially if
you're on the "infrequent flier" plan.

AirFone minutes used will show up on your VZW bill as "roaming" minutes.


=Gary

Monty Solomon wrote:

>      In-Flight Calls And Discounted JetConnect Services

> 'Excuse me, I believe the call on the seatback phone is for you.'

> Airfone(R) Service for Verizon Wireless Plan Lets Customers Make and
> Receive In-Flight Calls and Charge Them to Their Verizon Wireless
> Bills

> BEDMINSTER, N.J., March 1 /PRNewswire/ -- Verizon Wireless, the
> nation's largest wireless service provider and operator of the most
> reliable wireless network, today announced it is teaming up with
> Verizon Airfone to offer discounted in-flight calls for Verizon
> Wireless customers.  Beginning today, Verizon Wireless frequent flyers
> can stay connected while in flight for just 10 cents-a-minute when
> they sign up for the new Airfone Service for Verizon Wireless $10
> monthly subscription plan.

> Verizon Wireless customers who want to make and receive calls while in
> flight need only register as a user on a Verizon Airfone handset to
> make and receive calls for 10 cents-a-minute with a monthly
> subscription or 69 cents-a- minute with no subscription.  Callers
> dialing the customer's Verizon Wireless phone number will reach them
> on board any of the more than 2,000 planes served by Verizon Airfone
> nationwide.  Charges will be billed directly to the customer's Verizon
> Wireless bill.

>      - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=40725518

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: So whatever happened to all the dire
warnings about using your cell phone when in flight?   PAT]

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From: tryitoz@hotmail.com (Joe Donaldson)
Subject: Re: Unauthorized Bogus Phone Charges Appearing on Local Phone Bill?
Date:  4 Mar 2004 19:57:36 -0800
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Yes she now has blocked International calls with her local provider
and is using a long distance provider via an 800 number for
international calls.


Thanks, Joe

Steven J Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:<telecom23.104.2@telecom-digest.org>:

> Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.nonocom> wrote:

>> This has been in the news of late and here's something I found when
>> referencing google:

> Why doesn't she just block direct-dialed international calls and use a
> service that offers cheap international calling where you must use an
> 800 number and a PIN?

> JustThe.net Internet & New Media Services, Apple Valley, CA
> Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / 888.480.4NET (4638) /sjsobol@JustThe.net
> PGP: C57E 8B25 F994 D6D0 5F6B B961 EA08 9410 E3AE 35ED

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Subject: Re: More Re: the GTE Side of Verizon
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 21:17:05 -0800
From: Linc Madison <lincmad@suespammers.org>
Reply-To: lincmad@suespammers.org
Organization: California resident; nospam; no unsolicited e-mail allowed


In article <telecom23.102.9@telecom-digest.org>, John David Galt
<jdg@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> wrote:

> Sammy@nospam.biz wrote:

>> I think the Palms, Springs, California area was still a GTE LATA
>> within a LATA when Verizon gobbled it all up.

> The Palm Springs area (an old GTE area that extends north and east to
> cover Morongo Valley, Yucca Valley, Joshua Tree, and 29 Palms) is a
> separate LATA (number 973, according to NANPA) and has been that way
> ever since LATAs have existed.  It annoys me that phone books
> published by SBC and SureWest give the false impression that it is
> part of the Los Angeles LATA.

The San Francisco area SBC directories show the Palm Springs area as a
large black blob in the Los Angeles LATA, with a notation "Palm
Springs Area -- Other Company." However, they incorrectly state that
California has 10 LATAs. In fact, there are 11, not counting minor
"border incursions" with neighboring states.

Our LATA maps, even in directories that include the affected area,
also make the incorrect claim that the San Francisco LATA includes all
of area codes 408, 415, 510, 650, 707, and 925, plus the northern
portion of 831. In fact, there is one small part of 707 that is in the
Sacramento LATA. It has always been in the Sacramento LATA, although
it has only much more recently become area code 707. The town of
Dixon, along I-80 in Solano County, switched from 916 to 707 instead
of 916 to 530, since the rest of Solano County was already
707. However, the LATA boundary was not changed.

The rest of the area code information in this year's directory (Nov
2003 San Francisco) is also of embarrassingly poor quality. The maps
look like they were faxed to the printer, and the text listings were
obviously printed on a computer that didn't have the correct fonts.

Still, it doesn't quite compare to last year's directory, on whose
cover SBC actually misspelled one of the cities in the directory area!
It says "San Francisco Including Brisbane, Colma, and Daily City."
Umm, folks, that's DALY City, not DAILY City. They did at least get
that one fixed this year.


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