Date: 20 Nov 2001 06:15:15 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #301 Telecom Digest Tuesday, November 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 301 In this issue: 11/19/01 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Telecom Update (Canada) #309, November 19, 2001 delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Need info on SP-1 switches Info required Info required Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 06:17:03 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 11/19/01 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800, ENUM and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ CONTENTS FOR THE PERIOD ENDING NOVEMBER 19, 2001 - - FCC CREATES HOMELAND SECURITY POLICY COUNCIL - - SEX, LIES, AND FLUID DEFINITIONS - - SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE - - PUBLIC NOTICE ISSUED IN TOLL FREE CC DOCKET 95-155 /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= advertisement =-=-=-\ ENUM changes all the rules. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 10:39:16 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #309, November 19, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 309: November 19, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Microcell Raising $250 Million ** Globalstar Weighs Bankruptcy Protection ** Bell Closes Western Yellow Pages ** Look Offers Creditors 95% of Shares ** No Move for 2500 MHz Spectrum Holders ** Futureway Offers 6 Meg ADSL ** Cogeco Cuts Link to Excite@Home ** Rogers Arranges Backup Internet Access ** More Time for Interactivity Comments ** Local Loop Service Charges Cut ** WorldCom Now the Largest World Carrier ** Satellite Carriers Seek Terrestrial Network ** Stream Offers Data Storage ** CWTA Names New Officers ** Layoff Watch Certicom iMagicTV ** Group Telecom Revenue Up 6.6% ** What Managers Must Know About Call Centres ============================================================ MICROCELL RAISING $250 MILLION: Microcell Telecommunications is raising $250 million through an equity offering that will triple its outstanding shares. Telesystem, Caisse de depot, and CIBC will purchase shares not taken by the public. Deutsche Telecom, Microcell's other major owner, has made no commitment. ** Microcell's third quarter results include its first positive EBITDA -- $5.4 million, compared to a loss of $9.4 million the previous quarter. Sales increased 9% to $154 million; the net loss was $120 million. GLOBALSTAR WEIGHS BANKRUPTCY PROTECTION: Satellite phone carrier Globalstar says it will "likely decide to seek voluntary protection under the [U.S.] federal bankruptcy laws even without a pre-negotiated settlement with its principle creditors." (See Telecom Update #296) ** Globalstar's network traffic increased 37% in the third quarter, but revenue fell 18% to US$1.4 million. BELL CLOSES WESTERN YELLOW PAGES: In 1999, Bell Canada launched Yellow Pages directories in Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver, promising "better choice, better prices, and better products and services" than incumbent Telus. Last week Bell closed down the operation, cutting 105 jobs, blaming a "downturn in advertising sales" and "a challenging print directory market." ** Bell's sister company CTV, also citing slumping advertising sales, has withdrawn its application to the CRTC to launch a new TV service in Ontario. LOOK OFFERS CREDITORS 95% OF SHARES: Look Communications has filed a restructuring plan under which its creditors would receive 95% of its shares. Look's bankruptcy protection has been extended to December 31. (See Telecom Update #299) NO MOVE FOR 2500 MHz SPECTRUM HOLDERS: Look, Inukshuk, and other holders of wireless cable and wireless Internet licenses will not be asked to move from the 2500 MHz spectrum band to provide space for 3G cellular services. The Industry Canada decision matches a recent U.S. announcement. http://info.ic.gc.ca/cmb/welcomeic.nsf/icPages/Menu-e FUTUREWAY OFFERS 6 MEG ADSL: Futureway Communications has introduced a 6 Mbps ADSL service for business customers in much of the Greater Toronto Area. The service retails for $349/month; it will also be offered to ISPs at wholesale rates. ** The services uses facilities Futureway bought from bankrupt local carrier C1 in July. (See Telecom Update #290) COGECO CUTS LINK TO EXCITE@HOME: Cogeco Cable says it has switched all of its Ontario Internet customers to an independent service and is no longer using Excite@Home. Cogeco never used @Home for its Quebec customers. ** Shaw Communications says that more than 500,000 of its Internet customers have converted to the @shaw.ca domain, which is independent of Excite@Home. ROGERS ARRANGES BACKUP INTERNET ACCESS: Rogers Cable says it has signed a deal with an unnamed supplier to connect its Internet subscribers to the Internet backbone, in the event that Excite@Home is no longer able to do so. MORE TIME FOR INTERACTIVITY COMMENTS: The deadline for submissions in the CRTC's review of interactive broadcasting services has been extended to February 15. (See Telecom Update #307). http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2001/pb2001-113-1.htm LOCAL LOOP SERVICE CHARGES CUT: CRTC Decision 2001-694 orders significant reductions to the service charges CLECs pay to Bell Canada, Aliant, and MTS when they order local loops. Telus and SaskTel must comment by December 5 on whether the new rates should apply to them. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2001/dt2001-694.htm WORLDCOM NOW THE LARGEST WORLD CARRIER: The latest global traffic study from Washington-based TeleGeography Inc. says that WorldCom carried 16 billion minutes of international calls in 2000, replacing AT&T as the world's largest carrier. Total international traffic was 21% greater than in 1999. http://www.telegeography.com SATELLITE CARRIERS SEEK TERRESTRIAL NETWORK: Industry Canada wants comments on a proposal by Canada's TMI and U.S. carrier Motient to deploy land-based transmitters, using spectrum normally reserved for satellites, to improve coverage in cities. This would be implemented along with a new mobile satellite service in 2005. Comments are due by December 11. (Notice DGTP-009-01). http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05569e.html STREAM OFFERS DATA STORAGE: Stream Intelligent Networks now offers network-based data storage, using technology from Akara. CWTA NAMES NEW OFFICERS: The Canadian Wireless Telecommunications Association has named Ted Maksimowski (Bell Mobility) as Chair of its 2001-2002 Board. Vice-Chairs are Dean Proctor (Microcell), John Phillips (Telus Mobility), and Dawn Hunt (Rogers Wireless). LAYOFF WATCH: ** Certicom, a company that makes security software for mobile devices, is laying off about 60 of its 210 employees in North America -- its third round of job cuts in five months. Certicom's head office is in California, but most of its staff are in Mississauga, Ontario. ** iMagicTV, a developer of TV-over-DSL products, is laying off 80 employees in order to achieve a 40% reduction in operating expenses. GROUP TELECOM REVENUE UP 6.6%: Group Telecom's July-September sales totaled $62.3 million, a 6.6% increase over the previous quarter. Sales for the year ended September 30 were $209 million, up from $73 million the previous year. Net loss for the year: $379 million. WHAT MANAGERS MUST KNOW ABOUT CALL CENTRES: What is the optimum number of trunks and agents for your call centre? Why does adding more trunks sometimes reduce a call centre's service level? Why does raising productivity often increase costs? ** These and many other call centre secrets will be explained at "Essential Skills and Knowledge for Successful Incoming Call Centre Management," an ICMI seminar led by Henry Dortmans in Toronto this week. For information, or to register, go to www.incoming.com. ** The seminar is also available for private presentations at your site. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 21:49:56 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 We were supposed to start requiring 10 digit dialing in area 919 (Research Triangle area, NC, US) this winter. I've heard that because of the downturn in new number requirements, that the start of 10 digit dialing has been put off for a year or more. Does this sound reasonable - has it happened elsewhere? - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 22:16:18 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Need info on SP-1 switches Does any one out there have any info on SP-1 central office switches. I am doing a study on the Canadian Telecommunication System and have encountered deployment of these switches in most Canadian provinces. rgervais@attcanada,ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 22:35:51 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Info required I am doing a study on the Canadian Telecommunications System. I have encountered a telco called UNL. Does anyone know who they are. Considerable searching has proven unsuccessful. rgervais@attcanada.ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 22:40:21 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Info required Does anyone have any info on a central office switch called ADS-2100? rgervais@attcanada.ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 22:42:11 -0500 From: 73115.1041@compuserve.com Subject: Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) wrote: >We were supposed to start requiring 10 digit dialing in area 919 >(Research Triangle area, NC, US) this winter. > >I've heard that because of the downturn in new number requirements, that >the start of 10 digit dialing has been put off for a year or more. > >Does this sound reasonable - has it happened elsewhere? The same thing has happened in New Mexico. There was a considerable amount of dissention over the original decision to split the state from 505 into 505 and 575 because the State Corp Commission took the unusual step of making the most populated areas Albuquerque & Santa Fe (and thus the areas that receive the most out of state calls) be assigned the new area code. A recent news story stated that there was now projected to be at least 18 months before a split would be necessary, giving time to readdress the issue. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 23:16:46 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 On 19 Nov 2001 22:42:11 -0500, 73115.1041@compuserve.com wrote: >The same thing has happened in New Mexico. There was a considerable amount of >dissention over the original decision to split the state from 505 into 505 and >575 because the State Corp Commission took the unusual step of making the most Here in the Atlanta area, no numbers (aside from the "test" number, 470-666-7777) have been assigned in NPA 470 yet, even though the NPA became "official" back in September. There seem to be several reasons for this: - - Rate center consolidation has dramatically reduced the number of NXXs new carriers need (to cover the major urban and inner suburban centers in the Atlanta area, carriers now need only four NXXs, instead of 30 or so as in the past.) - - There aren't that many (if any) new carriers entering the Atlanta market given the telecom/dot-com downturn. In fact, some carriers have left the market (pulled out, filed Chap 11/7, etc...) and have returned unused NXXs for reassignment. - - Wireless carriers seem to be recycling numbers faster than in the past (and are preferring to put new customers in NPA 404 -- at least with Sprint PCS it's hard to get anything else), reducing the need for new NXXs. - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Nov 2001 23:39:20 -0500 From: Jack Decker Subject: Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines On 16 Nov 2001 11:13:53 -0500, "Paul N. Hrisko" wrote: ><--snip--> >November 15, 2001 >Callers Cut Off Second Phone Lines For Cellphones and Cable Modems >By SHAWN YOUNG >Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL >John Jenkins of Birmingham, Ala., is the kind of customer who could cause a >lot of anxiety these days among executives at his local phone company, >BellSouth Corp. ><--snip--> > >I would swear on a foot of router manuals that I've seen this article >before. As to why it's appearing again in the 15 Nov issues of the WSJ is >beyond me. Has anyone else come across it? >It appears to be a PR spin by BellSouth to gain sympathy for some rate >increase they are or may be trying to push through. Well if it is, it could be countered with this article: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2823122,00.html Dump broadband movement growing By John Borland Special to ZDNet November 7, 2001 4:48 AM PT Katy Ling, a software consultant who had her home wired for high-speed Internet access last year, did what many technology analysts said would never happen: She bailed out of broadband. As for where you've seen this article before, the part you quoted sounds familiar to me, too. But the closest thing I could find was this: http://cyberatlas.internet.com/markets/broadband/article/0,,10099_887411,00.html U.S. Households Dropping Additional Phone Lines By Michael Pastore Some U.S. households are getting rid of their additional phone line, according to research by Gartner's Dataquest unit, but this isn't necessarily bad news for the telecommunications industry. A June survey by Dataquest found that since January of 2001, nearly 6 percent of all U.S. households had replaced a traditional telephony access line with alternative communications modalities. Many of these households are purchasing alternative, feature-rich and higher-priced forms of communication equipment. Now personally, I think the phone companies have only themselves to blame for this. They are so used to the "captive customer" mentality, and giving absolutely horrible customer service, that some people really are giving up and looking for alternatives. I think this is more true in certain parts of the country, and for customers of certain phone companies - I won't mention any by name, but I'm thinking in particular of a company (actually part of a larger company now) that for the past year or so has been racking up big fines in some of the five states that it serves, for failing to meet customer service standards. People are starting to realize that if they use their wireless phone for most of their calls anyway, and that the wireless phone offers a huge local calling area compared to what the traditional phone companies offer, and their wireless company (usually) doesn't ding them for an extra monthly charge for custom calling features and such. Perhaps it's inevitable that at least a few will decide that they don't really need the Big Phone Company. (And I suspect that number would be a lot higher if more people realized that when they come home at night they could drop their wireless phone into a special cradle that is connected to their wireline phones, and then their existing phones would operate just as if they were connected to a landline, but use the wireless service instead. And the cradle charges the phone at the same time! Mike Sandman sells these devices, and some others probably do as well). Please understand, I'm not advocating dropping one's wireline service for wireless, I'm just saying I can understand why some may choose to do exactly that. But no phone company executive in their right mind is going to publicly admit that their own shoddy service, coupled with attractive pricing from wireless carriers is starting to make a dent in their "captive" customer base. Jack (The reply e-mail address in this message will be valid only until the first piece of spam arrives!) _____ Resources for Michigan Telephone Users page: http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #301 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 21 Nov 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #302 Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 302 In this issue: What's the Next Wave in Spectrum? Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP SS7 and SMS? Resurrecting an old 1A2 desk set -- the denouement Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system Re: Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system Help needed from experts in Alberta and BC Can anyone shed light on this ? Re: Need info on SP-1 switches Re: Need info on SP-1 switches ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Nov 2001 08:27:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: What's the Next Wave in Spectrum? What's the Next Wave in Spectrum? By Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Nov. 20, 2001 PST A five-year dispute over the costliest spectrum licenses in the history of the United States has ended, but not without government resolve to reform the auction process. The Federal Communications Commission settled with bankrupt NextWave Telecom on Friday to regain some highly coveted airwaves licenses. In the deal, Verizon Wireless, VoiceStream Wireless, the subsidiaries of AT&T Wireless and Cingular Wireless and other telcos will pay $15.85 billion for 216 licenses to operate in such cities as Los Angeles, New York and Seattle. NextWave, which paid $500 million for the licenses but never served a single customer, will relinquish all rights to the licenses and walk away with $5 billion after taxes and fees. The government will reap more than $10 billion in the sale. ... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48477,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 09:16:58 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines On 19 Nov 2001 23:39:20 -0500, Jack Decker wrote: >People are starting to realize that if they use their wireless phone >for most of their calls anyway, and that the wireless phone offers a >huge local calling area compared to what the traditional phone >companies offer, and their wireless company (usually) doesn't ding >them for an extra monthly charge for custom calling features and such. >Perhaps it's inevitable that at least a few will decide that they >don't really need the Big Phone Company. This sounds right on. With wireless service from most providers they give you call waiting, caller ID and three way calling included with your basic monthly rate. >(And I suspect that number would be a lot higher if more people >realized that when they come home at night they could drop their >wireless phone into a special cradle that is connected to their >wireline phones, and then their existing phones would operate just as >if they were connected to a landline, but use the wireless service >instead. And the cradle charges the phone at the same time! Mike >Sandman sells these devices, and some others probably do as well). The device I think you are referring to is Vox2 http://www.vox2.com/ the only disadvantage being at present that they are limited to certain models of CDMA and TDMA models. They don't offer any GSM models yet. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 11:32:09 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Re: Subject: Callers Cut of Second Phone Lines Last night, on Capitol Beat, Joseph Singer said: > On 19 Nov 2001 23:39:20 -0500, Jack Decker > wrote: > >People are starting to realize that if they use their wireless phone > >for most of their calls anyway, and that the wireless phone offers a > >huge local calling area compared to what the traditional phone > >companies offer, and their wireless company (usually) doesn't ding > >them for an extra monthly charge for custom calling features and such. > >Perhaps it's inevitable that at least a few will decide that they > >don't really need the Big Phone Company. > > This sounds right on. With wireless service from most providers they > give you call waiting, caller ID and three way calling included with > your basic monthly rate. And indeed, much as I hate to agree with Jack on anything :-), I'm one of them, I've been barefoot with PrimeCo for 4 years now, and I'm just about to switch to NexTel. > >(And I suspect that number would be a lot higher if more people > >realized that when they come home at night they could drop their > >wireless phone into a special cradle that is connected to their > >wireline phones, and then their existing phones would operate just as > >if they were connected to a landline, but use the wireless service > >instead. And the cradle charges the phone at the same time! Mike > >Sandman sells these devices, and some others probably do as well). > > The device I think you are referring to is Vox2 http://www.vox2.com/ > the only disadvantage being at present that they are limited to > certain models of CDMA and TDMA models. They don't offer any GSM > models yet. Nor iDen, so far as I know, and they don't have one for my QCP-1900, neither. I guess I need a new Sandman catalog; that's not in mine. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 11:50:45 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 On 19 Nov 2001 21:49:56 -0500, hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) wrote: >We were supposed to start requiring 10 digit dialing in area 919 >(Research Triangle area, NC, US) this winter. > >I've heard that because of the downturn in new number requirements, that >the start of 10 digit dialing has been put off for a year or more. > >Does this sound reasonable - has it happened elsewhere? It happened in western Washington state. Western Washington was supposed to be overlayed with NPA 564 on October 20th, but that has been delayed for at least a year according to the WUTC (Washington Utilities and Transportation Commission.) We are spared manadatory 10 digit dialing for at least a year. We've had optional 10 digit local dialing (in area code 206) since the addition of area codes 253 and 425. Within the last few months it's also permissable to dial 11 digits also (1+area code+subscriber number) and you are charged according to whether it's local or long distance and not charged toll if you dial 1+ on "local" calls. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 12:00:40 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 It was 19 Nov 2001 22:42:11 -0500, and 73115.1041@compuserve.com wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | The same thing has happened in New Mexico. There was a | considerable amount of dissention over the original decision | to split the state from 505 into 505 and 575 because the State | Corp Commission took the unusual step of making the most | populated areas Albuquerque & Santa Fe (and thus the areas | that receive the most out of state calls) be assigned the new | area code. The most concentrated population, but not the most population of the state. With the current split line (and y2k population) 580918 will move to 575 and 1238128 (or 68% of the state) will keep 505. There are slightly less than 55% of all businesses within the new 575, but then it could be argued that it is easier for business to publisise a phone number change than 2/3rds of the state's population. | A recent news story stated that there was now projected to | be at least 18 months before a split would be necessary, | giving time to readdress the issue. Or replace commissioners. May the vote remain the same. Here is a thought. How about starting permissive now in Albuquerque, Santa Fe, Los Alamos and Rio Rancho and let those who will change have a year or two to promote and use their eventual number. End permissive a few months before they truely need to reassign numbers. Making 2/3rds of the state's population change for the benefit of the big city is obscene. Not that other places haven't made unbalanced changes (312/773) but we shouldn't repeat mistakes we should LEARN from them. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 13:39:16 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: 25 questions to ask an ISP Here's my list of issues to explore in selecting a new DSL ISP to avoid being Borged into the Micro$oft Collective. If you have further suggestions of questions to pose to select a good ISP, I'd sure like to hear them. Thank you. - -- Dear Sirs and Ms: My wife and I have Qwest DSL in our home for personal, non-business use. We do not now host any web services with our existing DSL, but may wish to consider doing that and weigh the cost against outsourcing in the future. We are dismayed that (in apparent violation of the 14th Amendment), Qwest intends to sell us to MSN . Therefore, we are seeking a new DSL-capable ISP. Your company was listed by Qwest as providing DSL service in Portland , so we'd like to ask a few questions to help us decide which way we should go. 1. Do you offer DSL to residential customers in Portland? (If not, please skip the remaining questions.) 2. We now have the Cisco 675 external DSL router. May we continue to use it with your DSL service? 3. What is the configuration of that router for your service (e.g., PPPoE, et al.)? 4. Where could we see your DSL configuration instructions? 5 How many email accts are offered with your standard (640K down, 256K up) DSL residential account? 6. How much do extra email accounts cost? 7. When is your support telephone line answered? 8. What is the support line phone number to be used by Portland customers? 9. What is the cost for unmetered service per month? 10. What is the cost for unmetered service if paid annually? 11. Is there any setup fee charged by your company? 12. Are you aware of any transfer, setup for similar fee which Qwest might charge for changing ISPs? 13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? 14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? 15. How much Web space (and other storage) is provided standard? 16. Is dial-up access available if/when the DSL line goes down? 17. Is roaming dial-up access available when we travel? 18. What is the cost of roaming dial-up access (not including any telco long-distance charges)? 19. May we relay through your SMTP mail server from our wireless PDAs to send email? 20. Who provides USENET service to your customers; is it outsourced or local? 21. How many USENET newsgroups (approximately - round numbers OK) are available? 22. Is the full spectrum of alt.binaries available in the USENET feed? 23. Is Shell Access available? 24. What connections to the Internet do you have form Portland? Please advise both the type & number of connections (DS-1, DS-3, et al.) as well as where they go (Sprint's cloud, MAE-West, et al.). 25. What's the web page of your AUP and TOS? Thank you for assisting us with our questions so we can make an informed choice of the best ISP for our needs. Sincerely yours, etc., yada yada, bla bla bla - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 13:59:35 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP In <00552435.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov> John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov writes: [snip] >We are dismayed that (in apparent violation of the 14th Amendment), [snip] It's a real shame that someone claiming to post from a "uscourts.gov" address is so ill educated about the US Constitution. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 14:09:03 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP While waiting on 20 Nov 2001 13:59:35 -0500 in da vastness of space to hitch a ride w/ Galen, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote: >In <00552435.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov> John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov writes: > >[snip] > >>We are dismayed that (in apparent violation of the 14th Amendment), > >[snip] > >It's a real shame that someone claiming to post from a "uscourts.gov" >address is so ill educated about the US Constitution. The problem of humor on USENET is that some folks Just Don't Get It. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 14:40:30 -0500 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP In accordance with the prophecy, John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: > While waiting on 20 Nov 2001 13:59:35 -0500 in da vastness of space to > hitch a ride w/ Galen, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote: >>In <00552435.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov> John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov > writes: >> >>It's a real shame that someone claiming to post from a "uscourts.gov" >>address is so ill educated about the US Constitution. > The problem of humor on USENET is that some folks Just Don't Get It. The benefit of humor on USENET is that folks who *do* get it get to laugh at the folks who don't. :) - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 15:39:39 -0500 From: Chris Kantarjiev Subject: SS7 and SMS? Can someone please point me to a text or publicly (web?) available document that describes how SMS messages are exchanged over SS7? All the SS7 books that I've found are geared towards the voice world. I've found some hints about the MAP protocol set, but not many details. Thanks, chris - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 15:46:28 -0500 From: "Gordon S. Hlavenka" Subject: Resurrecting an old 1A2 desk set -- the denouement Well, I finally got it working. As it turned out, the Red and Red/White wires on the ringer were the ones which made it ring -- I dunno if something was wrong with it or what, but I could not get Black and Red to do it. I got the pushbutton assembly turned over and found two sets of contacts wired as a bus. I surmised these must be Tip/Ring out from the pushbuttons. I traced one of them back to terminal "R" on the pushbutton assembly, and the other to terminal "F" on the network. Next, I hooked the Red/White ringer wire to network "F". Then I routed the Red ringer wire to an isolated, unused terminal on the far left of the pushbutton board. I ran a 1uF, 250V mylar capacitor (wouldn't ring through a .47uF, rang weakly through .68uF) from there to pushbutton "R". I disconnected and taped off the ringer Black and White wires, and buttoned up the phone. I built a two-line connector by running red/green to Amphenol pair 1, and black/yellow to Amphenol pair 4. Since it's a dial phone I didn't pay any attention to line polarity. I could have hooked up the other three Tip/Ring pairs but only two lines are needed working on this phone. So, the pushbuttons can be used to select line 1 or 2. The ringer works on the selected line. Hold does nothing (duh) and lines 3, 4, 5 are effectively "disable" buttons. I considered hooking a neon bulb with a 100K series resistor across lines 1 and 2 on the CO side of the pushbuttons, and sticking the bulbs in the appropriate places to light the buttons when a line rang, but that was starting to look like work. Maybe the next one. - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Occasionally, amidst all the bad haiku, a good one is found. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 16:35:53 -0500 From: "Gary Pullis" Subject: Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system I have an AT&T Partner Mail system v.1.8 Does anyone have advice on how to back it up? The one I have uses a Conner CFS210A (210MB) hard drive. I've tried using Norton Ghost 7 in Image Boot mode to copy the drive to another Conner CFS210A (yes, I aquired an identical drive). The new drive got it's 100MB CP/M partiton (according to Win95's fdisk), but the new drive would not boot when placed back in the voicemail system. Does anyone have any recommendations? Much thanks! - -- Gary Pullis gpullis@omt.cc http://www.omt.cc - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 18:06:37 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, danny burstein said: > In <00552435.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov> John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov writes: > [snip] > >We are dismayed that (in apparent violation of the 14th Amendment), > [snip] > > It's a real shame that someone claiming to post from a "uscourts.gov" > address is so ill educated about the US Constitution. It's a real shame that someone who's been on Usenet so long has lost his sense of humor so, so badly. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 18:10:47 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system Last night, on Capitol Beat, Gary Pullis said: > I have an AT&T Partner Mail system v.1.8 > > Does anyone have advice on how to back it up? The one I have uses a > Conner CFS210A (210MB) hard drive. > > I've tried using Norton Ghost 7 in Image Boot mode to copy the drive to > another Conner CFS210A (yes, I aquired an identical drive). The new > drive got it's 100MB CP/M partiton (according to Win95's fdisk), but the > new drive would not boot when placed back in the voicemail system. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? Much thanks! I would hang it as a slave on a Linux box, and then do # dd if=/dev/hdb of=/tmp/backup-image bs=[calculate the track size and put it here]k Then swap to the new drive, and do # dd if=/tmp/backup-image of=/dev/hdb bs=[whatever]k Assuming it's the Primary slave. The secondary chain has drives /dev/hdc and /dev/hdd on it. Those devices are the *entire* physical drive, including the partition table and boot block. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 20:30:23 -0500 From: "Neil Hyndman" Subject: Re: Backing up an AT&T Partner Mail system The Partner Mail uses UNIX does it not??? Maybe there is something.... Neil "Gary Pullis" wrote in message news:20011120.162432.452867621.12179@omt.cc... > I have an AT&T Partner Mail system v.1.8 > > Does anyone have advice on how to back it up? The one I have uses a > Conner CFS210A (210MB) hard drive. > > I've tried using Norton Ghost 7 in Image Boot mode to copy the drive to > another Conner CFS210A (yes, I aquired an identical drive). The new > drive got it's 100MB CP/M partiton (according to Win95's fdisk), but the > new drive would not boot when placed back in the voicemail system. > > Does anyone have any recommendations? Much thanks! > > -- > Gary Pullis > gpullis@omt.cc > http://www.omt.cc > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 20:30:57 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Help needed from experts in Alberta and BC I am doing a study of Central Office Switch equipment across Canada. I am told that most of the DMS-100 switches in Alberta are at a Rev level LEC 011 and that most of the DMS-10 switches are at load 4.1010. Can any one from Alberta confirm this for me? I am told that most of the DMS-100 switches in BC are at a Rev level LEC 010 with some at LEC 011 and that all DMS-10 switches are at load 4.10.10. Can anyone from BC confirm this for me? Also does anyone know what is the software rev level of the GTD-5s and ESS-5s in BC? Roger Gervais rgervais@attcanada.ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 21:01:27 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Can anyone shed light on this ? I am doing a study of Central Office Switch equipment across Canada. In most provinces, I encounter CLLI codes assigned to UNL as the telecom provider and my sources are at a loss to explain who they are. The distribution si as follows: BC 10 Alberta 6 Saskatchewan 1 Manitoba 3 Ontario 22 Quebec 10 New Brunswick 2 Nova Scotia 2 In most cases they seem to operate Toll switches but there are CLLI codes that would indicate some type of voice or data service. Also the equipment identified with each CLLI code varies. Below is the equipment associated with the Ontario CLLI codes: FRAME RELAY, XL, SL-1, OSSD DEVELOPMENT NODE, STP, 4ESS TOLL, SL-1, DMS250, ND4 PCM CHANNEL BANK ACC LD, KF, DMS SWITCH, XO, F1, SL-1, SL-1, DMS-100, INFOSWITCH, CK,NO DESCRIPTION, XG, DMS-10 and SL-1 Does anyone know anything about this. The info would sure make my life easier. Thanks Roger Gervais, rgervais@attcanada.ca - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 21:04:57 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Need info on SP-1 switches Roger Gervais wrote: > Does any one out there have any info on SP-1 central office switches. I am > doing a study on the Canadian Telecommunication System and have > encountered deployment of these switches in most Canadian provinces. > > > rgervais@attcanada,ca > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > I believe the SP-1 was a computer driven mini crossbar switch from Northern Electric. This would make it a lot like the 1ESS, except for the crossbar instead of reed switches. Northern lost the rights to build Western Electric designs after the #5 Crossbar. I think SP-1 was their first big independent effort. The computer went on to become the first core processor for the DMS-100 series, which came out of the same division of BNR and succeeded the SP-1. The early, at least, DMS-100s kept the mini crossbar for electrical test access. They were mounted on the back of the line module. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Nov 2001 21:24:31 -0500 From: "Roger Gervais" Subject: Re: Need info on SP-1 switches Thank you very much. Roger "John McHarry" wrote in message news:LYDK7.40465$Ze5.22674930@news1.rdc1.md.home.com... > Roger Gervais wrote: > > > Does any one out there have any info on SP-1 central office switches. I am > > doing a study on the Canadian Telecommunication System and have > > encountered deployment of these switches in most Canadian provinces. > > > > > > rgervais@attcanada,ca > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > > > > I believe the SP-1 was a computer driven mini crossbar switch from Northern > Electric. This would make it a lot like the 1ESS, except for the crossbar > instead of reed switches. Northern lost the rights to build Western > Electric designs after the #5 Crossbar. I think SP-1 was their first big > independent effort. > > The computer went on to become the first core processor for the DMS-100 > series, which came out of the same division of BNR and succeeded the SP-1. > The early, at least, DMS-100s kept the mini crossbar for electrical test > access. They were mounted on the back of the line module. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #302 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 22 Nov 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #303 Telecom Digest Thursday, November 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 303 In this issue: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC Re: Can anyone shed light on this ? Re: Help needed from experts in Alberta and BC Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Reduction in number demand (was Re: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC) Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Used UPS's I have recently removed from service 11/21/01 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Nov 2001 08:50:24 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC I found the NC Utilities Commission order NC Utilities Commission Defers Implementation of Mandatory Ten-Digit Dialing In The 919 Area Code That (and related info) is available at http://ncuc.commerce.state.nc.us/cgi-bin/miscflddocs.ndm/INPUT?flddesc=PRESS+RELEASES&fname=prssrlss&numret=10 (watch out for the line wrap) In brief: the expected life of area code 919 has been extended from Feb. 6, 2002 to at least the 4th quarter of 2003. Conservation efforts have included reclamation of unused CO numbers, and thousands-block number pooling. In addition telecommunications service providers have curtailed their demand for numbers. - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 09:09:17 -0500 From: Dominic Richens Subject: Re: Can anyone shed light on this ? "Roger Gervais" wrote: > I am doing a study of Central Office Switch equipment across Canada. > > In most provinces, I encounter CLLI codes assigned to UNL as the telecom > provider and my sources are at a loss to explain who they are. > > The distribution si as follows: > [...] If I was pressed to guess, I'd say UNITEL, one of the first Canadian competitive long distance provides (i.e. never made any money) which is now owned by AT&T Canada (I think). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 09:13:54 -0500 From: Dominic Richens Subject: Re: Help needed from experts in Alberta and BC When you done your study, could you share it with us on comp.dcom.telecom? >From you questions, I am intrigued. dominic "Roger Gervais" wrote: > I am doing a study of Central Office Switch equipment across Canada. > > I am told that most of the DMS-100 switches in Alberta are at a Rev level > LEC 011 and that most of the DMS-10 switches are at load 4.1010. Can any one > from Alberta confirm this for me? > > I am told that most of the DMS-100 switches in BC are at a Rev level LEC 010 > with some at LEC 011 and that all DMS-10 switches are at load 4.10.10. Can > anyone from BC confirm this for me? Also does anyone know what is the > software rev level of the GTD-5s and ESS-5s in BC? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 10:17:33 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 20 Nov 2001 13:39:16 -0500, John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: [Bunch of good questions snipped. If you lived in Denver, I'd know where to point you...] >13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? >14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? Unless you need to allow incoming connections to the computers at your home, there's no reason to have static IP addresses. The Cisco 675 can be configured as a DHCP server, assigning non-routable addresses to your hosts. It can also function as a NAT server, creating proxies for all your outgoing connections. Even if you wish to have incoming connections, you can get a Linksys box that will allow selective forwarding of packets to one or more of the computers at your home. While the services that ISPs offer give you a dynamic IP address, they address is typically changed only when you reboot the DSL modem. AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use their home facilities for this. - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 14:18:10 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: : AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to : have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of : hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use : their home facilities for this. Very simple. I'm too damn cheap to pay someone for something I can do my self. Besides, running it from home means the tech support headaches are MINE. =) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 14:57:30 -0500 From: "Michael G. Koerner" Subject: Reduction in number demand (was Re: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC) Henry E Schaffer wrote: > > I found the NC Utilities Commission order > NC Utilities Commission Defers Implementation of Mandatory Ten-Digit > Dialing In The 919 Area Code > > That (and related info) is available at > http://ncuc.commerce.state.nc.us/cgi-bin/miscflddocs.ndm/INPUT?flddesc=PRESS+RELEASES&fname=prssrlss&numret=10 > > (watch out for the line wrap) > > In brief: the expected life of area code 919 has been extended from Feb. > 6, 2002 to at least the 4th quarter of 2003. > > Conservation efforts have included reclamation of unused CO numbers, and > thousands-block number pooling. In addition telecommunications service > providers have curtailed their demand for numbers. > -- > --henry schaffer > hes@ncsu.edu Thanks to the effects of number conservation measure AND the recent 'shakeout' in the telecom industry, the several planned overlays in northeast Illinois have been put off indefinitely, too, EXCEPT for the one covering 847. The measures were just barely not enough in the north and northwest Chicagoland suburbs. '1+10D' local dialing will be MANDATORY in 847 on 2002-01-05 as three NXXs in the new 224 area code are placed in service. The other NPAs in NE Illinois (312, 630, 708 and 773) should be OK for the next couple of years at the least. This is an interesting trend that I have been anticipating for several years now. I could logically see *NO* scenario where the **EXPLOSIVE** growth in number demand of the mid-late 1990s could be sustained for an indefinite period of time. After all, there are only so many telecom services and devices that any one person can use, and MANY people have no need or desire to use more than two or three such devices requiring telephone numbers (and some people no more than ONE). - -- ____________________________________________________________________________ Regards, Michael G. Koerner Appleton, WI ____________________________________________________________________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 15:50:16 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Phil Earnhardt said: > On 20 Nov 2001 13:39:16 -0500, John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: > [Bunch of good questions snipped. If you lived in Denver, I'd know > where to point you...] > > >13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? > >14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? > > Unless you need to allow incoming connections to the computers at your > home, there's no reason to have static IP addresses. The Cisco 675 can > be configured as a DHCP server, assigning non-routable addresses to > your hosts. It can also function as a NAT server, creating proxies for > all your outgoing connections. So that means you missed the part of his post where he said "cause we may dump our host, and run the webserver here", right? ;-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 17:58:25 -0500 From: "mrg1995@longisland.com" Subject: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service Please tell our group that I have the following UPS's units we recently removed from service for sale- they are in great shape !!!! Thanks- Mike Glaser Here is the list of used UPS's I have removed from service, and the manufacturers direct WWW pages. They will be offered for sale and available on or about 12/6/2K1. Prices and battery compliments to be determined... Contact me for details. 2 Exide/Deltec PRR-2500A (4 Years) RACK MOUNTED 30A / 125 VAC Input 20A / 125 VAC 2.5 KVA Output 4 APC Smart-UPS 2200 (2/2/4/4 Years) RACK MOUNTED 20A / 120 VAC Input 20A / 120 VAC 2.2 KVA Output http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=SU2200NET&language=en&LOCAL.APCCountryCode=us 1 APC Matrix-3000 (5 Years) FLOOR STANDING 30A / 220V Input 3 KVA / 120 VAC Output (Max with additional Batteries) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=MX3000&language=en&LOCAL.APCCountryCode=us 2 APC Matrix -5000 (Both Mfg 2/99 Aprox.) FLOOR STANDING 30A / 220 VAC Input 5 KVA / 120 VAC Output (Max with additional Batteries) http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=MX5000&language=en&LOCAL.APCCountryCode=us - -- MRG Associates, Inc. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 21:53:46 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service "mrg1995@longisland.com" wrote: >Please tell our group that I have the following UPS's units we recently >removed from service for sale- they are in great shape !!!! >Thanks- >Mike Glaser > >Here is the list of used UPS's I have removed from service, and the >manufacturers direct WWW pages. They will be offered for sale and available >on or about 12/6/2K1. Prices and battery compliments to be determined... >Contact me for details. 2K1 = 20481 AD? That's a long time to wait! > {snip} >MRG Associates, Inc. >[Worldwide Headquarters] >755 Waverly Avenue >Holtsville, New York 11742 >1-631-447-1041 (Voice - Direct Dial) >1-631-447-1042 (FAX - Private Office) >mrg1995@longisland.com (E mail) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Nov 2001 23:36:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Agency wants changes in networks to improve surveillance By Jess Bravin and Dennis K. Berman THE WALL STREET JOURNAL WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation says the proliferation of telecommunications services is harming its ability to tap into criminal suspects' communications, and it wants phone companies to make changes in their networks to improve surveillance. http://www.msnbc.com/news/661333.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #303 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 23 Nov 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #304 Telecom Digest Friday, November 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 304 In this issue: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Reduction in number demand (was Re: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC) Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service Re: Digital line for V.90 Modems Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Nov 2001 10:55:07 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 21 Nov 2001 15:50:16 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >> >13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? >> >14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? >> >> Unless you need to allow incoming connections to the computers at your >> home, there's no reason to have static IP addresses. The Cisco 675 can >> be configured as a DHCP server, assigning non-routable addresses to >> your hosts. It can also function as a NAT server, creating proxies for >> all your outgoing connections. >> >>AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to >>have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of >>hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use >>their home facilities for this. > >So that means you missed the part of his post where he said "cause we >may dump our host, and run the webserver here", right? ;-) I read that. I also read the part where the OP thought it would be less expensive to host such services himself. Most ISPs charge to have features turned on for your home service: charges for inbound TCP/IP connections, charges for static IP addresses, charges for binding domain names to those IP addresses, etc.. As far as I can tell, costs will typically be less with a commercial hosting service for websites. The OP cited a servicability issue; I'm not certain if I buy that argument. With a typical home installation, there are multiple single points of failure. While it is possible to engineer most of those out of a home-based web hosting installation, the costs of doing this will be quite high. >Cheers, >-- jra - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:16:34 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Phil Earnhardt said: > >So that means you missed the part of his post where he said "cause we > >may dump our host, and run the webserver here", right? ;-) > > I read that. I also read the part where the OP thought it would be > less expensive to host such services himself. > > Most ISPs charge to have features turned on for your home service: > charges for inbound TCP/IP connections, charges for static IP > addresses, charges for binding domain names to those IP addresses, > etc.. As far as I can tell, costs will typically be less with a > commercial hosting service for websites. If you have a static address -- for which you might pay a bit on ADSL, but not too much, then you can do the rest yourself. And I'm not aware of ADSL ISP's filtering inbound. Cablemodem, yes, but I've dealt with 5 different ADSL ISPs in my market, for a total of 15 clients, and they don't seem to give a crap what you put on the wire. > The OP cited a servicability issue; I'm not certain if I buy that > argument. With a typical home installation, there are multiple single > points of failure. While it is possible to engineer most of those out > of a home-based web hosting installation, the costs of doing this will > be quite high. Possibly, but perhaps the functionality/control tradeoffs are such that he doesn't *care*. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:20:26 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Last night, on Capitol Beat, Monty Solomon said: > WASHINGTON, Nov. 21 - The Federal Bureau of Investigation says the > proliferation of telecommunications services is harming its ability > to tap into criminal suspects' communications, and it wants phone > companies to make changes in their networks to improve surveillance. This will have the same promotional effect on personal encryption that the RIAA Napster witchhunt has had on Gnutella. Cheers, - -- jr 'you heard it here first' a - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 11:59:01 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 22 Nov 2001 11:16:34 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >> The OP cited a servicability issue; I'm not certain if I buy that >> argument. With a typical home installation, there are multiple single >> points of failure. While it is possible to engineer most of those out >> of a home-based web hosting installation, the costs of doing this will >> be quite high. > >Possibly, but perhaps the functionality/control tradeoffs are such that >he doesn't *care*. Since the OP is participating in the discussion, please let him speak for himself. To answer your question: I was operating on the presumption that the OP was uninformed about the costs and tradeoffs. It is an illusion that someone hosting through a single DSL connection is "in control" of the quality of that web service. There are a variety of failures completely beyond your control that would disrupt or bring down the service. Improving that reliability -- removing the single points of failures -- would be quite expensive for a small operation. However, there are economies of scale where such redundancies can be provided by commercial hosting services. >Cheers, >-- jra - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 12:11:18 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Reduction in number demand (was Re: more on deferally of 10 digit dialing in NC) >This is an interesting trend that I have been anticipating for several >years now. I could logically see *NO* scenario where the **EXPLOSIVE** >growth in number demand of the mid-late 1990s could be sustained for an >indefinite period of time. After all, there are only so many telecom >services and devices that any one person can use, and MANY people have >no need or desire to use more than two or three such devices requiring >telephone numbers (and some people no more than ONE). The claim that cell phones and faxes were using up number space was never true--the problem was that CLECs needed a prefix in every rate center they might want to serve, and that tied up 10,000 numbers of which they often really needed only a handful. These days the CLEC market is dodgy so few new CLECs are starting up, and technical means, notably thousands pooling (which allocates 1000 rather than 10000 numbers) and number portability (which makes it possible to borrow two numbers from an existing prefix if that's all you need), reduce the number of prefixes that existing CLECs need. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 15:31:25 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 22 Nov 2001 11:16:34 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >If you have a static address -- for which you might pay a bit on ADSL, >but not too much, then you can do the rest yourself. And I'm not aware >of ADSL ISP's filtering inbound. Cablemodem, yes, but I've dealt with >5 different ADSL ISPs in my market, for a total of 15 clients, and they >don't seem to give a crap what you put on the wire. Most ILEC ".net" DSL ISPs (verizon.net, bellsouth.net, pacbell.net, etc.): - - do not offer static IP addresses to residential customers, period - - do not allow servers on residential service (Verizon actually blocks port 80 in former Bell Atlantic territory now; most of the others say they don't allow servers but tend to turn a blind eye toward them unless they cause problems) OTOH, the overwhelming majority of independent DSL ISPs (Earthlink, Speakeasy, DirecTV DSL, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.) do offer static IP addresses (either included with service, or for a nominal cost per month) and allow servers. Apparently the ".net" ISPs, being controlled by ILECs, are protecting the ILECs' T1 and frame sales as usual (remember, ILECs don't offer SDSL either!) -- but in the process are driving SOHO customers away. (Most cable companies, particularly those who are affiliated with @Home, also offer nothing whatsoever for SOHO customers -- with some @Home ISPs, it's actually an AUP violation to *check work email over the @Home connection*, let alone run VPNs [oh, the horror!], servers, etc.) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 16:06:15 -0500 From: Tom Allebrandi Subject: Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service On 21 Nov 2001 21:53:46 -0500, amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) wrote: > 2K1 = 20481 AD? That's a long time to wait! Actually, he was probably expressing it in disk drive "K's".... 2K1 = 20001 See, not as long as you think :-) - --- tom tom@ytram.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Nov 2001 20:41:44 -0500 From: Guy Dawson Subject: Re: Digital line for V.90 Modems "David L Kindred (Dave)" wrote: > > Greetings. > > I'm looking for the specs/standards for digital lines for providing V.90 > modem service. I'm particularly interested to find out if it is > possible/affordable for a small business to have a few such lines for > providing high-speed modem service for its own internal users. Here in the UK we have 2 ISDNe (2 * 64Kb/s) lines with four USR Courier I-modems on them. The I-modems are connected to a BSD box and act as a dial-in pool. To serve V.90 to an analogue modem the V.90 server end must be digital and thus ISDN. > Thanks. > > I'm also kind of embarrassed to have ask this question, but I'm finding > my in-depth knowledge of subscriber lines and modems is all obsolete :( > (anyone else still remember when "high speed modem" meant 1200 BPS?). I remember 300/300 and 1200/75. The A in ADSL is not a new idea! Guy - -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Guy Dawson I.T. Manager Crossflight Ltd guy@crossflight.co.uk 07973 797819 01753 776104 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 01:46:26 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Phil Earnhardt said: > On 22 Nov 2001 11:16:34 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" > wrote: > >> The OP cited a servicability issue; I'm not certain if I buy that > >> argument. With a typical home installation, there are multiple single > >> points of failure. While it is possible to engineer most of those out > >> of a home-based web hosting installation, the costs of doing this will > >> be quite high. > > > >Possibly, but perhaps the functionality/control tradeoffs are such that > >he doesn't *care*. > > Since the OP is participating in the discussion, please let him speak > for himself. Well, don't make unwarranted assumptions. > To answer your question: I was operating on the presumption that the > OP was uninformed about the costs and tradeoffs. It is an illusion > that someone hosting through a single DSL connection is "in control" > of the quality of that web service. There are a variety of failures > completely beyond your control that would disrupt or bring down the > service. Improving that reliability -- removing the single points of > failures -- would be quite expensive for a small operation. However, > there are economies of scale where such redundancies can be provided > by commercial hosting services. You're teaching your grandpop how to suck eggs, Phil. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 01:50:50 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service Last night, on Capitol Beat, Tom Allebrandi said: > On 21 Nov 2001 21:53:46 -0500, amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) > wrote: > > 2K1 = 20481 AD? That's a long time to wait! > > Actually, he was probably expressing it in disk drive "K's".... > > 2K1 = 20001 > > See, not as long as you think :-) Actually, the usage comes from British writing of resistor values. So it's only 2100. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #304 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 24 Nov 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #305 Telecom Digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 305 In this issue: Backing up an AT&T Pa help with DSL access Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Nov 2001 10:12:35 -0500 From: "Andy Ball" Subject: Backing up an AT&T Pa FamilyNet Newsgate Hello Neil! NH> The Partner Mail uses UNIX does it not??? Maybe there is > something.... I thought it used CP/M-86 (or some descendant), I could easily be wrong though. Perhaps the Unix dd command could be used to make an image of the disk though. Regards, - Andy. FamilyNet <> Internet Gated Mail http://www.fmlynet.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 16:28:39 -0500 From: Rodrigo Floriano Flores Subject: help with DSL access Hi All Someone known any free solution - or low-cost, minimal cost :) - based on Linux/FreeBSD/NetBSD that permit I turn a PC running an *NIX (with two atm NICs) into a PPP over ATM access concentrator? receiving and mannaging PPPoATM conectinons from DSLAM (Cisco) and "tunneling" through ATM network (PVC?) I think that a solution like ServPoET/RP-PPPoE but based on ATM (PPPoA) can resolve my problem, but I can't find it. please, messages for rodrigo@penta.ufrgs.br Thanks, Rodrigo - -- _________ Rodrigo Floriano Flores POP-RS - Ponto de Presenca da RNP no Rio Grande do Sul CERT/RS - Computer Emergency Response Team RS Porto Alegre/RS - Tel: +55(51) 316.5039 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 16:49:59 -0500 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Re: delay for 10 digit dialing in area 919 Henry E Schaffer wrote: > We were supposed to start requiring 10 digit dialing in area 919 > (Research Triangle area, NC, US) this winter. > > I've heard that because of the downturn in new number requirements, that > the start of 10 digit dialing has been put off for a year or more. Yes. Or more precisely, the downturn in numbering exhaustion means that the introduction of overlay NPA 984 has been deferred indefinitely, which means that mandatory 10D local dialing can also be deferred. (Permissive 10D local dialing began this past summer and will continue to be supported). The official NANPA Planning Letter about the deferral can be found at http://docs.nanpa.com/pdf/pl-306v1.pdf. >Does this sound reasonable - has it happened elsewhere? Yes and yes, for similar reasons as in our area. Other Planning Letters on the NANPA site describe similar delays in other areas. Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 21:25:30 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Stanley Cline wrote: "Most cable companies, particularly those who are affiliated with @Home, also offer nothing whatsoever for SOHO customers -- with some @Home ISPs, it's actually an AUP violation to *check work email over the @Home connection*..." Aren't there some ILECs that won't allow residential ISDN lines to be used for work? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Nov 2001 23:01:07 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Jay R. Ashworth wrote: "This will have the same promotional effect on personal encryption that the RIAA Napster witchhunt has had on Gnutella." True enough, but I wouldn't bet on the FBI not being able to crack the codes. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2001 01:15:26 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Used UPS's I have recently removed from service Tom Allebrandi wrote: >On 21 Nov 2001 21:53:46 -0500, amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) >wrote: >> 2K1 = 20481 AD? That's a long time to wait! > >Actually, he was probably expressing it in disk drive "K's".... > > 2K1 = 20001 has someone come up with 500 byte sectors at last? Alan > >See, not as long as you think :-) > >--- tom >tom@ytram.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #305 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 25 Nov 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #306 Telecom Digest Sunday, November 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 306 In this issue: Re: a scam device? Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Nov 2001 20:58:35 -0500 From: blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) Subject: Re: a scam device? >I saw an interesting little device advertised on TV and apparently it's >available at Radio Shack and others... > >Apparently it's purpose is to thwart tele-marketers, by sending a "special >tone" that tells the tele-marketer's system that your number has been >disconnected and you will then automatically be removed from their call >list... > >Can there be any truth to this claim? They say it only works with their >(telemarketer's) phone dialing system and will not affect other calls... > >How can this device send a tone without first going off-hook? And of course >going off-hook would indicate the line is valid and the telemarketers have a >"live one". > >Any comments? I got one at K Mart, the only one they had I could find, in a package which appeared to have been previously opened, decided it didn't work, and returned it for a refund. Rather than generate the telco disconnect intercept tones, it generated a single tone whenever a phone went off hook, which did nothing to stop telemarketers. Mike Sandman (http://www.sandman.com) had a unit which he said would generate the telco disconnect intercept tones, but it had to be installed ahead of the phones and the web site said it'd been withdrawn because of a patent, trademark, or copyright issue (can't remember which). Bruce Wilson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 2001 00:54:56 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Last night, on Capitol Beat, Ed Ellers said: > Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > "This will have the same promotional effect on personal encryption that > the RIAA Napster witchhunt has had on Gnutella." > > True enough, but I wouldn't bet on the FBI not being able to crack the > codes. PGP, with a 2048 bit key, will *not*, in fact, be crackable, per se, by the FBI, without help from the NSA. Big help. Now, that doesn't mean they can't tap your keyboard to get your passphrase, etc... Me, I'd put an unencrypted key on a floppy, and physically pull it out when not sending. Course *that* they can get away from you, whereas -- at least in the US -- they can't currently compel you to testify to your passphrase. I don't think. But the point is more to increase the overall level of encryption to the point that they're wasting their time on "Hey, babe; nice tits" instead of "the Eagle flies at midnight"... which is all they'd get anyway, from competent criminals. And anyone who wants to know why I think this is invited to look up the Franklin quote on liberty and security, and do some searching on "cypherpunks" as well. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #306 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 26 Nov 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #307 Telecom Digest Monday, November 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 307 In this issue: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring subscribe telecom-digest ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Nov 2001 13:48:05 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring At 06:15 AM 11/25/2001, Telecom Digest wrote: >Telecom Digest Sunday, November 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 306 >Date: 25 Nov 2001 00:54:56 -0500 >From: "Jay R. Ashworth" >Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring > >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Ed Ellers said: > > Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > "This will have the same promotional effect on personal encryption that > > the RIAA Napster witchhunt has had on Gnutella." > > > > True enough, but I wouldn't bet on the FBI not being able to crack the > > codes. > >PGP, with a 2048 bit key, will *not*, in fact, be crackable, per se, by >the FBI, without help from the NSA. Big help. > >Now, that doesn't mean they can't tap your keyboard to get your >passphrase, etc... Indeed. That is exactly what they intend doing. They did it in Philadelphia with a "black bag job" to install the keyboard monitoring software. Now they have an virus-like program called Magic Lantern (may be a trojan or worm), that you are tricked into installing on your computer, and which captures your keystrokes for the passphrase, records them, and sends them to the FBI. McAfee immediately got in touch with the FBI to make sure that its AV software will NOT detect Magic Lantern. This raises several questions: 1. How long will it be before the virus-writers start mimicking Magic Lantern's signature to get their viruses past McAfee? 2. What other software does McAfee intend to compromise in the interests of national security? In particular, does McAfee intend to compromise PGP? Install the trapdoor? At least one security person, with many users who are foreigners, who are now liable for military trial without appeal (it's much worse than a normal court martial), is going to query his site license for McAfee, and re-consider FPROT. FPROT is from Iceland, safely (?) away from the reaches of the FBI. The chief programmer is Dr. Vesselin Bonchev, a Bulgarian, who has been involved in virus issues for a LONG time. And further deponent saith not. >Me, I'd put an unencrypted key on a floppy, and >physically pull it out when not sending. Course *that* they can get >away from you, whereas -- at least in the US -- they can't currently >compel you to testify to your passphrase. I don't think. Doesn't matter much if they can install keystroke monitoring, possibly without a warrant, and possibly without a wiretap warrant. Wiretap warrants require even higher degrees of "probable cause" than ordinary search warrants, and are subject to higher degrees of judicial monitoring. >But the point is more to increase the overall level of encryption to >the point that they're wasting their time on "Hey, babe; nice tits" >instead of "the Eagle flies at midnight"... which is all they'd get >anyway, from competent criminals. > >And anyone who wants to know why I think this is invited to look up the >Franklin quote on liberty and security, and do some searching on >"cypherpunks" as well. Truth be told, the amount of encryption on the internet is approximately zero. Even people with mail programs that support encryption "transparently" don't use the feature. In fact, I'm seeing fewer PGP-signed messages than I used to (that may be because I'm hanging out in different places). A PGP signature would at least require scrutiny to ensure that it was a signature, and not an encrypted message masquerading as a signature. (Easy to fake with a text editor.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Nov 2001 23:27:46 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP In article <0mgnvtonao6k7ckkmme0uopkddjlh591lp@4ax.com>, Phil Earnhardt wrote: >On 20 Nov 2001 13:39:16 -0500, John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: > >[Bunch of good questions snipped. If you lived in Denver, I'd know >where to point you...] > >>13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? >>14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? > >Unless you need to allow incoming connections to the computers at your >home, there's no reason to have static IP addresses. The Cisco 675 can >be configured as a DHCP server, assigning non-routable addresses to >your hosts. It can also function as a NAT server, creating proxies for >all your outgoing connections. But what if I don't want NAT? I refuse to pay for any service that forces me to be NATted -- I want to run all protocols, not just protocols that happen to be supported by their/my NAT box. If I were shopping for DSL, "do I get a real IP address or must I be NATted somewhere" would also be on my list-o-questions. -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 01:09:57 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Brett Frankenberger said: > If I were shopping for DSL, "do I get a real IP address or must I be > NATted somewhere" would also be on my list-o-questions. Is there anyone, anywhere, who's trying to slip NAT over on retail connectivity customers? Has anyone got a first or second hand citation on this? I'd be shocked... shocked, I tell you. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 01:12:15 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Last night, on Capitol Beat, Marcus Falco said: > >But the point is more to increase the overall level of encryption to > >the point that they're wasting their time on "Hey, babe; nice tits" > >instead of "the Eagle flies at midnight"... which is all they'd get > >anyway, from competent criminals. > > > >And anyone who wants to know why I think this is invited to look up the > >Franklin quote on liberty and security, and do some searching on > >"cypherpunks" as well. > > Truth be told, the amount of encryption on the internet is approximately > zero. Even people with mail programs that support encryption > "transparently" don't use the feature. In fact, I'm seeing fewer PGP-signed > messages than I used to (that may be because I'm hanging out in different > places). A PGP signature would at least require scrutiny to ensure that it > was a signature, and not an encrypted message masquerading as a signature. > (Easy to fake with a text editor.) Didn't I say that this was precisely my point? The increased attention of the FBI will help to encourage even those without anything to hide to use encryption. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 04:25:36 -0500 From: "David Perrussel" Subject: subscribe telecom-digest subscribe telecom-digest - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Date: 27 Nov 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #308 Telecom Digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 308 In this issue: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Erlang problem Telecom Update (Canada) #310, November 26, 2001 Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP VoIP group Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Siemens Gigaset 2xxx vs. 4xxx compatibility Re: unsolicited calls, was: Re: Miss Cleo (Re: a scam device?) Arialphone Re: Siemens Gigaset 2xxx vs. 4xxx compatibility Arialphone Fw: unsolicited calls, was: Re: Miss Cleo (Re: a scam device?) Re: Cingular Wireless goes with GSM in network upgrade ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Nov 2001 08:34:08 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Brett Frankenberger said: >> If I were shopping for DSL, "do I get a real IP address or must I be >> NATted somewhere" would also be on my list-o-questions. > >Is there anyone, anywhere, who's trying to slip NAT over on retail >connectivity customers? Has anyone got a first or second hand citation >on this? > >I'd be shocked... shocked, I tell you. Qwest Telechoice (cable modem) service in Omaha, NE, for one. Everyone gets 10.x.x.x. If you ask them, they'll give you a "static" address, which just means that they NAT your 10.x.x.x address to a single, unchanging, real IP address. It doesn't mean that you actually get a real, unchanging, IP address. I've heard of other cases -- I work with the person ad my employer who ultimately gets called when people can't get VPN to work and lower levels of support can't figure out out; and there has been more than one case where the reason was that the provider's NAT box didn't like IPSec -- but I can't provide specific details. I've also seen posts on network operations mailing lists from providers who appear to give customers 1918 addresses and NAT them. -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 10:07:54 -0500 From: man_marko@hotmail.com (marko man) Subject: Erlang problem I would like to know the relations between no. of subscribers in exchange and between outgoing trunks and voice mail trunks (in busy hour). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 10:17:03 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #310, November 26, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 310: November 26, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Delays Mar Rogers E-Mail Transition ** Bell Ordered to Obey 10-Digit Rules ** Telus Moving to New LD Platform ** Nextel Sells Telus Shares? ** Bell Offers High-Speed Hotel Net Access ** RIM Buys Wireless Software Developer ** SaskTel Wins Australian Contract ** Broker Says Wireless Sales to Accelerate ** Sprint Promotes Local Residential Service ** Nortel Unifies Ottawa Labs ** Hughes, Pegasus Apply for Satellite Spectrum ** AT&T and Surrey Dispute Municipal Access ** Call-Net Accuses Bell of Unfair Dealing ** Bell Invests in Mobile Data Developer ** Ottawa Wireless Developer Acquired ** Shaw Aims to Raise US$800 Million ** More AT&T Reps Join Rogers Wireless Board ** Network Change -- A Report From the Trenches ============================================================ DELAYS MAR ROGERS E-MAIL TRANSITION: Operational problems forced Rogers Communications to twice postpone the start of its customers' transition to a rogers.com e-mail address, originally scheduled for November 22. 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All calling card services were moved to the Telcordia-built platform last week; the migration of toll-free, business long distance, and virtual network services is to be completed by March 30. NEXTEL SELLS TELUS SHARES? U.S. wireless carrier Nextel, which owned 13.7 million non-voting shares in Telus as a result of the latter's acquisition of Clearnet last year, appears to have sold its stake. TD Securities says that it has acquired that number of shares and has sold them to other investors. BELL OFFERS HIGH-SPEED HOTEL NET ACCESS: Bell Canada's new DataValet service gives guests at participating hotels access to high-speed Internet service and hotel-specific applications for $9.95 a day. About 50 Ontario and Quebec hotels have signed up. 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This spectrum was previously licensed to Star Choice. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05579e.html http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05554e.html AT&T AND SURREY DISPUTE MUNICIPAL ACCESS: AT&T Canada has asked the CRTC to resolve a dispute with the City of Surrey. AT&T wants to use Surrey rights-of-way to expand its fibre backbone in the lower B.C. mainland, but says Surrey is insisting on terms which contravene CRTC Decision 2001-23. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/Eng/2001/8690/A4-02.htm CALL-NET ACCUSES BELL OF UNFAIR DEALING: Call-Net says that Bell Nexxia promised a reseller that its end customers would not be targeted in Bell Canada's win-back campaigns if the reseller switched its wholesale service from Call-Net to Bell Nexxia. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. e e-mail rosita@angustel.ca or phone 905-686-5050 ext 500. The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 10:25:04 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Brett Frankenberger said: > In article , > Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Brett Frankenberger said: > >> If I were shopping for DSL, "do I get a real IP address or must I be > >> NATted somewhere" would also be on my list-o-questions. > > > >Is there anyone, anywhere, who's trying to slip NAT over on retail > >connectivity customers? Has anyone got a first or second hand citation > >on this? > > > >I'd be shocked... shocked, I tell you. > > Qwest Telechoice (cable modem) service in Omaha, NE, for one. Everyone > gets 10.x.x.x. If you ask them, they'll give you a "static" address, > which just means that they NAT your 10.x.x.x address to a single, > unchanging, real IP address. It doesn't mean that you actually get a > real, unchanging, IP address. I've heard of other cases -- I work with > the person ad my employer who ultimately gets called when people can't > get VPN to work and lower levels of support can't figure out out; and > there has been more than one case where the reason was that the > provider's NAT box didn't like IPSec -- but I can't provide specific > details. > > I've also seen posts on network operations mailing lists from providers > who appear to give customers 1918 addresses and NAT them. I'm shocked... naw. It was too easy. They don't admit or explain it to potential customers, eh? Can you say Class Action Lawsuit? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 10:31:33 -0500 From: klara.ward@home.se (Klara Ward) Subject: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Hi, I would like to record only the incoming sound of a telephone conversation. The problem is that I get both parts.. I've seen http://www.jkaudio.com/inline-patch.htm, and it looks OK but it's quite expensive. Does anyone know of another device for/way of doing this? Klara - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 11:51:48 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP While waiting on 22 Nov 2001 10:55:07 -0500 in da vastness of space to hitch a ride w/ Galen, Phil Earnhardt wrote: >On 21 Nov 2001 15:50:16 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" > wrote: > >> >>So that means you missed the part of his post where he said "cause we >>may dump our host, and run the webserver here", right? ;-) > >I read that. I also read the part where the OP thought it would be >less expensive to host such services himself. I'm the OP and I didn't say that. Kindly refer back to the original posting. >Most ISPs charge to have features turned on for your home service: >charges for inbound TCP/IP connections, charges for static IP >addresses, charges for binding domain names to those IP addresses, >etc.. As far as I can tell, costs will typically be less with a >commercial hosting service for websites. > >The OP cited a servicability issue; I'm the OP and I didn't say that. Kindly refer back to the original posting. >I'm not certain if I buy that >argument. With a typical home installation, there are multiple single >points of failure. While it is possible to engineer most of those out >of a home-based web hosting installation, the costs of doing this will >be quite high. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 12:09:23 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Last night, on Capitol Beat, Klara Ward said: > I would like to record only the incoming sound of a telephone > conversation. > The problem is that I get both parts.. > I've seen http://www.jkaudio.com/inline-patch.htm, and it looks OK but > it's quite expensive. > Does anyone know of another device for/way of doing this? The only way to do this on a common 2-wire phone line is to tap it off the handset jack; you're still going to get a *little* hybrid leakage from the transmit path, but it should be down 10 db or more, I think. Cheers, - - jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 17:34:13 -0500 From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP I would also ask: - - Do you block port 25 (SMTP) on your network in a feeble attempt to stop spam? (i.e., Earthlink, grrrr.) - - Do you force me to do silly things like have your domain (i.e., gte.net) on my return address when sending email (gte.net/Verizon, grrr...) - - Do you block port 80 on your network? Or only as a kneejerk reaction to a virus such as CodeRed? - - If I must purchase a router, how much? - - If I purchase a router, will I wait an eternity for a rebate from a 3rd party such as Covad, or will you handle the rebate/credit internally for me? (Megapath, grrr..) - - Is there a minimum contract length? - - Can I cancel at any time, even during the installation process without a charge? - - Is there an early cancellation fee? - - Are the USENET feeds throttled so much as to be useless? - - Do you have a technically detailed blow by blow web page installation status update, tied in with your backbone provider's back office system? (Speakeasy, hooray!!) - - And a new one I read today regarding Earthlink's cable modem service - is there a download/upload GB "allotment" per month? This isn't a cap on your usenet usage, it's apparently on all your traffic! Evidently Earthlink has invented a new scheme to limit the MP3er's and binary d/lers out there. HTH, - -- Paul wrote in message news:00552435.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov... > Here's my list of issues to explore in selecting a new DSL ISP to avoid > being Borged into the Micro$oft Collective. If you have further > suggestions of questions to pose to select a good ISP, I'd sure like to > hear them. > > Thank you. > > -- > > Dear Sirs and Ms: > > My wife and I have Qwest DSL in our home for personal, non-business use. > We do not now host any web services with our existing DSL, but may wish > to consider doing that and weigh the cost against outsourcing in the > future. > > We are dismayed that (in apparent violation of the 14th Amendment), > Qwest intends to sell us to MSN . Therefore, we > are seeking a new DSL-capable ISP. Your company was listed by Qwest as > providing DSL service in Portland > , so we'd like to > ask a few questions to help us decide which way we should go. > > 1. Do you offer DSL to residential customers in Portland? (If not, > please skip the remaining questions.) > > 2. We now have the Cisco 675 external DSL router. May we continue to > use it with your DSL service? > > 3. What is the configuration of that router for your service (e.g., > PPPoE, et al.)? > > 4. Where could we see your DSL configuration instructions? > > 5 How many email accts are offered with your standard (640K down, 256K > up) DSL residential account? > > 6. How much do extra email accounts cost? > > 7. When is your support telephone line answered? > > 8. What is the support line phone number to be used by Portland > customers? > > 9. What is the cost for unmetered service per month? > > 10. What is the cost for unmetered service if paid annually? > > 11. Is there any setup fee charged by your company? > > 12. Are you aware of any transfer, setup for similar fee which Qwest > might charge for changing ISPs? > > 13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? > > 14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? > > 15. How much Web space (and other storage) is provided standard? > > 16. Is dial-up access available if/when the DSL line goes down? > > 17. Is roaming dial-up access available when we travel? > > 18. What is the cost of roaming dial-up access (not including any telco > long-distance charges)? > > 19. May we relay through your SMTP mail server from our wireless PDAs to > send email? > > 20. Who provides USENET service to your customers; is it outsourced or > local? > > 21. How many USENET newsgroups (approximately - round numbers OK) are > available? > > 22. Is the full spectrum of alt.binaries available in the USENET feed? > > 23. Is Shell Access available? > > 24. What connections to the Internet do you have form Portland? Please > advise both the type & number of connections (DS-1, DS-3, et al.) as > well as where they go (Sprint's cloud, MAE-West, et al.). > > 25. What's the web page of your AUP and TOS? > > Thank you for assisting us with our questions so we can make an informed > choice of the best ISP for our needs. > > Sincerely yours, etc., yada yada, bla bla bla > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 17:49:45 -0500 From: "Jan Chowdhury" Subject: VoIP group Can any body recommend a VoIp group? Jan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 20:33:49 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > >I'm shocked... naw. It was too easy. They don't admit or explain it >to potential customers, eh? Can you say Class Action Lawsuit? Admit it? Well, if you ask them what your IP address is, they'll tell you 10.x.x.x. I'm not sure what happens if you ask them if you get NATted; I'd guess that first line support can barely spell NAT. Higher level people will admit it, as well as give you a static mapping if you ask. Explain it? As in, educating the ignorant as to what NAT is? Probably not. I'd certainly be in favor of successful class action against anyone perpetrating NAT (well, not really -- I think it's evil, but if people want to pay for such service, I've got no objection to companies selling it). I'm not sure there'd be a good cause of action, though. NAT does, in fact, work most of the time for most things that most people do. And even non-NATted service fails at some things -- for example, if I want to transfer 100 million bits of information in one second, my very real IP address on my cable modem connection won't be able to do it, since the line just isn't that fast. It would be an interesting case ... I assume the plaintiffs would have to allege that NAT'd service isn't "real" Internet access. (I certainly agree, but the issue would come down to a court deciding what "Internet Access" meant, and it might not match my definition.) -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 20:36:11 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: > AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to > have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of > hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use > their home facilities for this. Surprisingly enough, there are things that you can do on an Internet connected server other than running a Webserver. Some obvious ones: * Management of your home network (note: SSH is Your Friend. Telnet is not.) * VPNs. Not allowed by most services. Not real useful on a service, either. * Personal mail services. Most hosting services flat-out disallow anything involving mail forwarding. (note: if you do this, learn about mail security, or you'll find out *why* they forbid forwarding. The hard way.) * FTP. A lot of hosting services don't allow this. If you have a large amount of data, or if you want to allow incoming data transer, it's easier to roll your own. (Again, learn about security if you want to use anonymous FTP and also want to avoid some very unpleasant surprises.) This is just off the top of my head; I'm sure there are many others. - -- Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net Agincourt Computing http://www.aginc.net "Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Nov 2001 22:34:47 -0500 From: "Gordon S. Hlavenka" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound > I would like to record only the incoming sound of a telephone > conversation. > The problem is that I get both parts.. Back when I was working for with radio-telephone links, "return loss" was a major quest. Typical hybrids would keep the paths about 10dB separated. Using a fancy card from Westell, with some modifications, we could tweak the isolation to about 30dB but it took several kilobbucks worth of test equipment to make the adjustments... - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Occasionally, amidst all the bad haiku, a good one is found. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:37 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Re: Siemens Gigaset 2xxx vs. 4xxx compatibility "Bruce Perens" wrote in message news:59348b59.0111141604.7326a0d1@posting.google.com... > I have a Siemens 2402 system with 6 handsets. I picked up one of the new > 4020 handsets at the Office Depot, opening the box carefully so that I can > take it back. The 4020 registers with the 2402, and supervisory and data > functions seem to work: you can place calls, it rings, understands that > there are more than 4 intercoms and provides a scrolling list of them, > etc., but the receive audio is broken up. So close, yet so far :-) It's > too bad, I would have liked to have the the wireless speakerphone > functionality. I am assuming that you mean the 4200 series handsets (for the 4215 etc) I find it amazing that it worked at all since, I believe one of the features of the new 4215 is voice dialing. I really doubt it will work. Panasonic has come out with a 420 cordless base (corded phone, speaker phone etc) that registers as a cordless handset to the 4000B or 2000B phones. Regards, Steve at SELLCOM - -- http://www.sellcom.biz Discount multihandset cordless phone products Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:36 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Re: unsolicited calls, was: Re: Miss Cleo (Re: a scam device?) "danny burstein" wrote in message news:9s7jsu$la4$1@news.panix.com... > In <3BE74D23.DEC71F06@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> John David Galt writes: > > >John R Levine wrote: > >> Robot sales calls to residences are just plain illegal under the > >> federal TCPA, no state laws needed. You can sue them for $1500/call > >> in state court. (The penalty is $500/call, tripled if it's "willing > >> and knowing" which it clearly is now what with all the cases against > >> them.) We have a policy of saving up spam FAXes and then mailing them to a willing investigator at the FCC. But most of what they mail me back advises us to simply sue the FAX spammers. Steve at SELLCOM - -- http://www.sellcom.biz Discount multihandset cordless phone products Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:37 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Arialphone Has anyone played with the new Arialphone? Steve at SELLCOM - -- http://www.sellcom.biz Discount multihandset cordless phone products Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:36 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Re: Siemens Gigaset 2xxx vs. 4xxx compatibility "Bruce Perens" wrote in message news:59348b59.0111141604.7326a0d1@posting.google.com... > I have a Siemens 2402 system with 6 handsets. I picked up one of the new > 4020 handsets at the Office Depot, opening the box carefully so that I can > take it back. The 4020 registers with the 2402, and supervisory and data > functions seem to work: you can place calls, it rings, understands that > there are more than 4 intercoms and provides a scrolling list of them, > etc., but the receive audio is broken up. So close, yet so far :-) It's > too bad, I would have liked to have the the wireless speakerphone > functionality. I am assuming that you mean the 4200 series handsets (for the 4215 etc) I find it amazing that it worked at all since, I believe one of the features of the new 4215 is voice dialing. I really doubt it will work. Panasonic has come out with a 420 cordless base (corded phone, speaker phone etc) that registers as a cordless handset to the 4000B or 2000B phones. Regards, Steve at SELLCOM - -- http://www.sellcom.biz Discount multihandset cordless phone products Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:39 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Arialphone Anyone had any experience with the new Arialphone? Steve at SELLCOM - -- http://www.cordlesstelephones.biz Discount multihandset cordless phones Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 01:13:38 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Fw: unsolicited calls, was: Re: Miss Cleo (Re: a scam device?) "danny burstein" wrote in message news:9s7jsu$la4$1@news.panix.com... > In <3BE74D23.DEC71F06@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us> John David Galt writes: > > >John R Levine wrote: > >> Robot sales calls to residences are just plain illegal under the > >> federal TCPA, no state laws needed. You can sue them for $1500/call > >> in state court. (The penalty is $500/call, tripled if it's "willing > >> and knowing" which it clearly is now what with all the cases against > >> them.) We have a policy of saving up spam FAXes and then mailing them to a willing investigator at the FCC. But most of what they mail me back advises us to simply sue the FAX spammers. Steve at SELLCOM -- http://www.sellcom.biz Discount multihandset cordless phone products Panasonic Siemens EnGenius and more Authorized Twinhead notebooks Okidata printers - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 02:42:15 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cingular Wireless goes with GSM in network upgrade "Joseph Singer" wrote in message news:iot2ut0q4m93r1tojgvmulji1gr16obp7l@4ax.com... > On 31 Oct 2001 21:54:37 -0500, sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net > (Steve Sobol) wrote: > > >This is not big news. > > > >Much of Cingular is already GSM anyhow. BellSouth Mobility and the SBC-owned > >Cellular One outlets that became Cingular were TDMA, but BellSouth DCS and > >Pacific Bell Wireless have been GSM all along. > > I guess it depends on what you consider how much is much. Currently > Cingular is 70% TDMA. Only the systems on the west coast and in > North/South Carolina/Tennessee are GSM systems. All of the TDMA and analog systems will have GSM overlays. This includes not only PCS (1800 MHz) but also cellular (850 MHz). This represents the introduction of 850 MHz cellular GSM in the U.S., so it is indeed news. Cingular has partnered with several vendors for production of dual-band GSM/TDMA (acronym is GAIT, but I can't recall what it stands for) handsets. The plan is to move toward GSM, and then GPRS and EDGE for 2.5G/3G. Michael D. Sullivan avogadro@bellatlantic.net Bethesda, MD, USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #308 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 28 Nov 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #309 Telecom Digest Wednesday, November 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 309 In this issue: Re: Ten digit dialing? basic telecom reference Internet Web Phone Options Internet Phone Services FS: NEC Switch (recently removed from service) Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Re: Ten digit dialing? Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System Modem - Separating incoming and outgoing sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Nov 2001 09:58:09 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: Ten digit dialing? Some months ago (early July), there was this item: > Yes new NXXs pop up on a daily basis. But if someone hands you > a number shouldn't you have some clue? To restate (probably in different words) something I have said some time ago in the Digest: Yes, the area codes and prefixes provide some clue. That is homework which can be done without you having to do (or cause to have done) any calling, writing, or visiting. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 10:30:23 -0500 From: Ken Ryan Subject: basic telecom reference For anyone with the interest or the need, Ericsson has published a web version of its Understanding Telecommunications texts at http://www.ericsson.com/about/telecom/ This site corresponds to about 1100 pages of text covering basic switched telecom, ISDN, public land mobile networks, signaling, X.25, ATM, etc. Intended for introduction, review and reference it doesn't cover the bleeding edge (that's elsewhere on the site) but presents a substantial knowledge base. All content is vender neutral. Feedback appreciated. Ken Ryan Ericsson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 14:38:47 -0500 From: shodgen@solomonschool.com (Steven Hodgen) Subject: Internet Web Phone Options I tried this yesterday, but my message never showed up, so here's hoping it works this time. I'm trying to find the best (cheapest and most useable) internet phone (PC -> Phone) solution. I need to make phone calls to Seoul (Korea) from the US and I want to save as much money as possible. I've looked at Net2Phone and PCCall, but perhaps someone here has more experience with what's out there. Thanks! - --Steven shodgen@solomonschool.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 2001 14:38:46 -0500 From: shodgen@solomonschool.com (Steven Hodgen) Subject: Internet Phone Services Hello, I'm researching what's available to make international phone calls using the internet. Actually, PC-Phone from US to China is the specific situation I'm looking at. There's Net2Phone, but I'm wondering what else is out there. Obviously there are two important factors, quality of communication and price. Are there any good alternatives to Net2Phone? Thanks! - --Steven - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 00:59:03 -0500 From: "mrg1995@longisland.com" Subject: FS: NEC Switch (recently removed from service) Entertaining offers for my switch & instruments. Located on Long Island, New York. NEAX2400 IMG ICS - 3 PIM system - 6000 software version B 5.08 Generic - Version B issue 1 Boot ROM - the switch was originally purchased in December 93. Quantity Description 26 16 LCB-J 24 16 ELCH 4 24 PRT-BA 4 24 DTR 1 24 CCTA 1 CS02C 2 PA CFT-B 2 PA CKOO-B 1 RSTJ 2 Ratelco FC 4825 Rectifiers 8 Backup Batteries 150 Series III phones black(approximate) The switch to be uninstalled and removed the week of December 10. The equipment is located on the 2nd floor and can be uninstalled anytime during the day. The phones will be counted and boxed. Certificate of insurance is required to de-install. - -- MRG Associates, Inc. [Worldwide Headquarters] 755 Waverly Avenue Holtsville, New York 11742 1-631-447-1041 (Voice - Direct Dial) 1-631-447-1042 (FAX - Private Office) mrg1995@longisland.com (E mail) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 01:57:47 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 26 Nov 2001 11:51:48 -0500, John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: >>>So that means you missed the part of his post where he said "cause we >>>may dump our host, and run the webserver here", right? ;-) >> >>I read that. I also read the part where the OP thought it would be >>less expensive to host such services himself. > >I'm the OP and I didn't say that. Sorry. There was a follow-up from Terry Knab where he said "I'm too damn cheap to pay someone for something I can do my self. Besides, running it from home means the tech support headaches are MINE. =)" I presumed by his pronouns that he was the OP; I failed to verify that he was indeed a different person. - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 02:06:10 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 25 Nov 2001 23:27:46 -0500, rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) wrote: >>>13. How many Static IP addresses are provided in your service? >>>14. How much do extra Static IP addresses cost? >> >>Unless you need to allow incoming connections to the computers at your >>home, there's no reason to have static IP addresses. The Cisco 675 can >>be configured as a DHCP server, assigning non-routable addresses to >>your hosts. It can also function as a NAT server, creating proxies for >>all your outgoing connections. > >But what if I don't want NAT? Simple. If you don't want NAT, then don't use it. Configure the DSL modem to transparently bridge the packets downstream. Use a Linksys box or a Linux box or whatever as your gateway. Configure that box as you like to provide the incoming services you want. Provided, of course, you're within the AUP of your ISP.... > I refuse to pay for any service that >forces me to be NATted That's not the case here. The critical issue is that you have a routable IP address. I verified that my address is routable and accessable from the outside world by telneting to my DSL modem from the outside world. > -- I want to run all protocols, not just >protocols that happen to be supported by their/my NAT box. Sounds fine to me! >If I were shopping for DSL, "do I get a real IP address or must I be >NATted somewhere" would also be on my list-o-questions. I think you jumped to a conclusion, Brett. With the Cisco modems, if you want NAT services, you turn them on. If you don't, you don't turn them on. Now, someone else claimed that, with Qwest as an ISP, you can't get a routable IP address. I don't know about that. But I do know that with Qwest as my ISP and Dimensional as my ISP that I definitely have a routable address. > -- Brett - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 02:07:31 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 26 Nov 2001 10:25:04 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >I'm shocked... naw. It was too easy. They don't admit or explain it >to potential customers, eh? Can you say Class Action Lawsuit? Sounds like a function of the ISP. With my Qwest DSL service and a local ISP, I definitely have a routable address. >Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 02:15:26 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 26 Nov 2001 20:36:11 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >Phil Earnhardt wrote: > >> AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to >> have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of >> hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use >> their home facilities for this. > >Surprisingly enough, there are things that you can do on an Internet >connected server other than running a Webserver. Some obvious ones: >[SNIP] This has nothing to do with whether or not you have a Static IP address. A dynamic IP address will work just fine for the services you describe in your posting -- provided the dynamic IP address is reasonably stable. In my experience, the IP address will never ever change unless I reset the DSL modem. The last time I had to do that was when I got up-to-date firmware to deal with Code Red. >This is just off the top of my head; I'm sure there are many others. Please explain why you think you need static IP addresses to perform any of these tasks. >Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 02:54:04 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Verzion is advertising telling us in 201 that we are going ten digit dialing (in perperation of an overlay). Stupid question: They haven't mentioned anything about 911, might someone think they will need to dial 201-911 in the ten digit dialing era? I know you don't have to do that, but someone might do it. Would the switch pass the call to 911? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 03:05:03 -0500 From: Dennis Ritchie Subject: Re: Ten digit dialing? Re numbering plans-- among the tidbits in the New York Times special sections celebrating its 150th anniversary (commemorated in its special sections of 14 Nov 2001) is this one: The Times's first telephone was installed in 1886. The number was John 470. Dennis - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 03:19:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System Jennifer 8. Lee New York Times Service Tuesday, November 27, 2001 NEW YORK Around the world, countries are mobilizing to build independent satellite navigation networks, troubled that the Global Positioning System, the only functioning worldwide network, is run by the U.S. military and controlled by the government. In the past decade or so, the continuous signals emitted by a constellation of orbiting satellites have allowed users to compute time, location and speed with high accuracy, calculations that play an increasing role in tasks ranging from firing missiles in Afghanistan to guiding ships at sea to flashing directions in rental cars. As the American technology becomes a worldwide standard, other governments are wary that this dependence raises issues of strategic and economic security. ... http://www.iht.com/articles/40134.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 05:24:33 -0500 From: klara.ward@home.se (Klara Ward) Subject: Modem - Separating incoming and outgoing sound Is it possible to find a modem that will separate the incoming and outgoing sound? Or is that only for expensive telephony boards(Dialogic)? Klara Ward - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #309 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 29 Nov 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #310 Telecom Digest Thursday, November 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 310 In this issue: ExciteAtHome May Stop Service Talkin' to Me? Not If AOL Has Its Way Re: Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) Re: Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System What's the catch with this offer? Re: Modem - Separating incoming and outgoing sound How to crash a phone by SMS Want to know more about the world's first underwater phone? ExciteAtHome's Messy Future Re: Talkin' to Me? Not If AOL Has Its Way Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Nov 2001 09:25:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ExciteAtHome May Stop Service ExciteAtHome May Stop Service Wired News Report 9:25 a.m. Nov. 27, 2001 PST Bankrupt cable Internet access provider ExciteAtHome said Tuesday it could cease providing service to its 4.1 million U.S. customers on Nov. 30 if it cannot renegotiate agreements with the cable companies that carry its service. ... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48654,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 09:27:08 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Talkin' to Me? Not If AOL Has Its Way November 22, 2001 Dave Wilson: Talkin' to Me? Not If AOL Has Its Way Let's say you needed to keep a bunch of different phones on your desk: one to talk to your parents, one for your pals, one for your business contacts and one for your significant other. On the positive side, after a bad breakup, you could throw the whole freakin' phone away. Oh yeah, that's closure. But the fact that you live in a world in which every phone works with every other phone is a beautiful thing. This is why the current contretemps surrounding instant-messenger systems on the Internet is all the more frustrating. There are nearly half a dozen IM brands, including two from dominant player America Online, but the systems generally can't talk to each other. The Internet's uber-geeks keep building doodads that will let you link your preferred instant-messaging system to anybody else's. But the corporate giants behind the systems are fighting pitched battles to keep their IM lines closed. The one everybody is talking about--Trillian--works swell, but the suits will break it the first chance they get. ... http://www.latimes.com/technology/la-000093189nov22.column - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 10:16:21 -0500 From: Dave Tweed Subject: Re: Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System Monty Solomon wrote: > Around the world, countries are mobilizing to build independent > satellite navigation networks, troubled that the Global Positioning > System, the only functioning worldwide network, is run by the U.S. > military and controlled by the government. The Russian GLONASS system is defunct then? I hadn't heard. - -- Dave Tweed - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 11:54:55 -0500 From: d_r_newcomb@my-deja.com (Donald Newcomb) Subject: AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) I'm trying to locate general information about the AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network). So far I understand that it is a text-based messaging system (not unlike AUTODIN) which links avaition centers around the world. Some links are based on TCP/IP while others are X.25. My interests are primarily questions like: Who runs/coordinates the network? How are messages routed? How quickly are they delivered? How is the system used for emergency/SAR communications? Etc. Thanks, - -- Donald R. Newcomb DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 15:50:43 -0500 From: "Kenneth P. Stox" Subject: Re: Rivals Mobilize Alternatives to U.S. System On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:16:21 -0600, Dave Tweed wrote: > > The Russian GLONASS system is defunct then? I hadn't heard. > For all practical purposes it is. The majority of the satellites have failed. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 17:59:46 -0500 From: Jack Decker Subject: What's the catch with this offer? I received the following unsolicited commercial e-mail (something that would ordinarily fit within my definition of spam) today. This looks like one of those things that is "too good to be true" and I figure there has to be a catch of some kind, but I have no idea what it might be. I have not been brave enough to try placing an actual call using this service but I wonder if anyone else has. I'm suspicious that perhaps when you dial the toll-free number, you somehow wind up being billed for a call to England or some other place (note that the "help" address ends in .uk). For one thing, I note an asterisk (*) in the body text, but the reason for the asterisk is not given! Anyone know anything at all about this service, or the company behind it? [Begin forwarded e-mail:] Return-Path: Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail [212.9.8.7] (may be forged)) by [local ISP removed] (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASIIAu56194 for [address removed]; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:18:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from ffon@ffon.net) Received: from truro [212.9.12.244] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA36193301D0; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:17:26 +0000 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:25:35 GMT X-Priority: 3 From: "Telicall (800) 306 5227" X-Mailer: [removed] To: [address removed] MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: FREE USA CALLS NOW! - DIAL (800) 306 5227 Content-Type: Text/Html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit Dear Email user, Before you delete this email as junk, we are offering you FREE phone calls, immediately, no sign up just an (800) number to dial from anywhere in the USA. All weekday calls* made between now and December 24th to any of the following countries are absolutely FREE! Great Britain USA Canada Simply dial toll free on (800) 306 5227 You will hear a dial tone and welcome announcement. Simply dial in the full international number you wish to call followed by the # sign. For example: to call (303) 555 5411 in Denver, CO, you would dial 00 1 303 555 5411# to call 020 7123 4567 in London, England you would dial 00 44 20 7123 4567# If you experience any difficulties or busy circuits when using our service, please email help@telicall.co.uk and let us know! ____________________________________________________ [End forwarded e-mail. Bulk mailer ID lines removed because they might cause THIS message to be filtered as spam!] I suppose it would not hurt to try this from a pay phone (if they will even accept such calls) but I just can't help thinking there must be a "gotcha" to this somewhere! If anyone can enlighten us on this I'd appreciate it. Jack _____ Resources for Michigan Telephone Users page: http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 19:15:12 -0500 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Modem - Separating incoming and outgoing sound klara.ward@home.se (Klara Ward) writes: > >Is it possible to find a modem that will separate the incoming and >outgoing sound? Or is that only for expensive telephony >boards(Dialogic)? > Modems do that in their internal circuitry, of course, but it's not clear to me why you would ask about it. Are you asking whether any modems can transmit on a different wire pair than they receive, such as you would find on a 4-wire analog leased line? There are some modems with that feature. -Greg - -- +++++ Greg Andrews +++ gerg@panix.com +++++ I have a map of the United States that's actual size -- Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 21:31:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: How to crash a phone by SMS How to crash a phone by SMS By John Leyden Posted: 28/11/2001 at 18:20 GMT So now you can send an SMS and crash a mobile phone, so that the user is locked out. Job de Haas, a security researcher at ITSX, has adapted a program called sms_client, which sends an SMS message from an Internet-connected PC, in which the User Data Header is broken. During a presentation during the Black Hat conference last week, he demonstrated how a malformed message crashes a Nokia 6210 phone on its receipt. Once the message is received it is impossible to turn on an infected phone again. ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/23080.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 21:34:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Want to know more about the world's first underwater phone? Want to know more about the world's first underwater phone? By Kieren McCarthy Posted: 26/11/2001 at 17:29 GMT It may sound like a demented Tomorrow's World feature, but France Telecom (and Amphicom) have invented the world's first underwater telephone. The French telco research department assures ease of use and a clear connection from any landline or mobile phone to someone at any depth of water. Seriously. So, what you want to know is: How on earth does it work? Well, the phone is at the end of a long wire attached to a buoy on the surface of the water. The buoy contains a GSM unit and picks up the signals which it then relays down the wire to the phone. ... http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/5/23029.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:29:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: ExciteAtHome's Messy Future ExciteAtHome's Messy Future Associated Press 3:45 p.m. Nov. 28, 2001 PST SAN FRANCISCO -- A bitter battle between the creditors and business partners of bankrupt ExciteAtHome is threatening to unplug the cable network's high-speed Internet service for 4.2 million subscribers as early as Friday. ExciteAtHome bondholders owed more than $1 billion hope to convince U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Thomas Carlson that shutting down the company's high-speed cable network is the best way to start a bidding war for the system. A hearing on the request is set Friday in San Francisco, but Carlson might not rule until next week. ... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48704,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Nov 2001 22:44:51 -0500 From: larb0@aol.com (LARB0) Subject: Re: Talkin' to Me? Not If AOL Has Its Way Blocking IMs is fine with me. There's nothing more irritating than to be checking for jobs while getting hit with porn IMs from internet users not on AOL ... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: > > On 26 Nov 2001 20:36:11 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > > >Phil Earnhardt wrote: > > > >> AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to > >> have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of > >> hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use > >> their home facilities for this. > > > >Surprisingly enough, there are things that you can do on an Internet > >connected server other than running a Webserver. Some obvious ones: > >[SNIP] > > This has nothing to do with whether or not you have a Static IP > address. A dynamic IP address will work just fine for the services you > describe in your posting -- provided the dynamic IP address is > reasonably stable. > > In my experience, the IP address will never ever change unless I reset > the DSL modem. The last time I had to do that was when I got > up-to-date firmware to deal with Code Red. > > >This is just off the top of my head; I'm sure there are many others. > > Please explain why you think you need static IP addresses to perform > any of these tasks. Actually, the question was "why not use a hosting service?" However, since you asked: Dynamic addresses and DSL modems seem to be far more stable in your experience than mine. All of the services I mentioned involve getting into your network from outside. To do this, you need to know the address. It's even nicer if you have a name; while you can use dynamic updates with DNS (at least in theory), you run into cacheing problems. While you can use whatever dynamic address you happen to have, it's much safer to have one that's guaranteed to stay put. You don't risk being locked out of your network because your DSL modem decided to reset itself. Note that we're only talking about *one* static IP addresses, for the firewall. It's usually possible to map a port on the firewall to an interior service. - -- Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net Agincourt Computing http://www.aginc.net "Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #310 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 30 Nov 2001 06:15:14 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #311 Telecom Digest Friday, November 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 311 In this issue: Re: What's the catch with this offer? RE: What's the catch with this offer? Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP I need a list Cell Phone Traffic Jams (USA Today 11/20/01) Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: I need a list Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring Re: I need a list Re: I need a list Re: I need a list Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Ten digit dialing? doibt regarding voice support with MD110 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Nov 2001 06:35:39 -0500 From: Richard D G Cox Subject: Re: What's the catch with this offer? On 28 Nov 2001, Jack Decker quoted: > Simply dial toll free on (800) 306 5227 > You will hear a dial tone and welcome announcement. Simply dial in > the full international number you wish to call followed by the # sign. That number is (at the time of writing) not reachable from the UK: calls get the US reorder tone after the "call will be charged" announcement. (This was the result of calling via two separate networks which can both normally reach the majority of 1-800 numbers in WZ1) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 09:44:34 -0500 From: "Joe Wineburgh" Subject: RE: What's the catch with this offer? I get fast busy on both our MCI T1 & VZ CO trunks. #JOE - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 10:58:28 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >Actually, the question was "why not use a hosting service?" The question is not precise enough.There's a fine line here. If you're hosting services for your personal use, then, IMO, a static IP address is an unnecessary extravagance. If you are hosting services for commercial use, then I would say that one or more static IP addresses are in order. But if you're hosting services for commercial service, then you need to purchase commercial service from your ISP. >Dynamic addresses and DSL modems seem to be far more stable in your >experience than mine. Please say more. Why exactly are is your IP address volatile? How often are you losing your IP address? >All of the services I mentioned involve getting into your network from >outside. To do this, you need to know the address. It's even nicer if >you have a name; while you can use dynamic updates with DNS (at least in >theory), you run into cacheing problems. Again: if you're using the services for personal use -- as you were describing -- a dynamic address should be fine. If you have a decent ISP, I see no reason whatsoever why your IP address should be volatile. If you do have a problem with volatility, it should be a straightforward exercise to create a daemon that runs on your home machines that periodically examines what dynamic IP address you have and, if it has changed, uploads it to a reliably-retrievable location on the Internet. > While you can use whatever >dynamic address you happen to have, it's much safer to have one that's >guaranteed to stay put. I completely disagree. The only requirement is that you be able to reliably glean that updated IP address. > You don't risk being locked out of your network >because your DSL modem decided to reset itself. Why exactly would your DSL modem be deciding to reset itself? They seem to be very reliable computers. The only time I've ever seen it fail is because of the Code Red probes. In that case you would have been SOL anyhow -- the modem was hung until it was manually power-cycled. And, after updating to current firmware, I've seen no problem at all. Even if this hypothetical actually is a problem for you, it would be a trivial matter to create the address-publishing script. See above. >Note that we're only talking about *one* static IP addresses, for the >firewall. It's usually possible to map a port on the firewall to an >interior service. Nobody ever disagreed with that. The point is that you really don't need any static IP addresses at all for a personal service. There's no reason to incur the costs associated with it. You haven't provided us with any reasons why such a dynamic IP address should be volatile. But, even if it is, there's an easy solution to that. All things equal, I'd rather not burn the money on something that provides little to no added value. >Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 11:13:36 -0500 From: "Brian" Subject: I need a list I need a way to check a ZIP code against an AREA code. Does anyone know of a freely available list that would have this information in it? I have a list of several thousand accounts to call. I am finding that there are many records with (for example) California addresses and area codes to another state. This makes me think the data I have been handed may be less than clean. I'd like to process this list by either comparing the State and Area Code or the Zip and Area Code to at least make an attempt at validation. Records that don't pass the test, won't get called. Thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 12:23:18 -0500 From: The Old Bear Subject: Cell Phone Traffic Jams (USA Today 11/20/01) As summarized in NewsScan: CELL PHONE TRAFFIC JAMS ----------------------- To address complaints about network traffic jams, cell phone companies are rapidly expanding the number of cell sites: industrywide cell sites rose 28% to 104,000 last year, and Sprint PCS alone is adding 3,000 cell towers this year. In other steps to ease traffic congestion, Cingular Wireless is making system changes so that message alerts to customers are not delayed, and VoiceStream Wireless is adding equipment to handle increasing volume. summarized from: USA Today (20 Nov 2001) http://www.usatoday.com/life/cyber/wireless/2001/11/20/voice-mail-traffic.htm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 14:54:36 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Klara Ward said: >> I would like to record only the incoming sound of a telephone >> conversation. >> The problem is that I get both parts.. >> I've seen http://www.jkaudio.com/inline-patch.htm, and it looks OK but >> it's quite expensive. >> Does anyone know of another device for/way of doing this? > >The only way to do this on a common 2-wire phone line is to tap it off >the handset jack; you're still going to get a *little* hybrid leakage >from the transmit path, but it should be down 10 db or more, I think. I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" (because of the impossibility of achieving perfect balance) into a virtue. - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 15:02:20 -0500 From: rwk@frontiernet.net Subject: Re: I need a list Check http://eji.com/zipkey/ -- it may be what you want. Brian wrote: > > I need a way to check a ZIP code against an AREA code. Does anyone know of > a freely available list that would have this information in it? > > I have a list of several thousand accounts to call. I am finding that there > are many records with (for example) California addresses and area codes to > another state. This makes me think the data I have been handed may be less > than clean. I'd like to process this list by either comparing the State and > Area Code or the Zip and Area Code to at least make an attempt at > validation. Records that don't pass the test, won't get called. > > Thanks > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 15:54:27 -0500 From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound > I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 18:20:39 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: FBI pushes telcos to ease monitoring In article <4.3.2.7.0.20011125133058.031ae320@216.255.136.62>, Marcus Didius Falco wrote: > ... A PGP signature would at least require scrutiny to ensure that it >was a signature, and not an encrypted message masquerading as a signature. >(Easy to fake with a text editor.) How about embedding the message into the CRC? I never would have thought to look there - until I read this article: Embedding a secondary communication channel transparently within a cyclic redundancy check (CRC) by D. R. Irvin, IBM J. Res. & Dev. Vol. 45, No. 6 November 2001 This should be available at http://www.research.ibm.com/journal/ - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 22:51:00 -0500 From: fgoodwin@yahoo.com (Fred Goodwin, CMA) Subject: Re: I need a list rwk@frontiernet.net wrote in <3C06913C.5D18053D@frontiernet.net>: >Check http://eji.com/zipkey/ -- it may be what you want. > >Brian wrote: >> >> I need a way to check a ZIP code against an AREA code. Does anyone >> know of a freely available list that would have this information in >> it? >> >> I have a list of several thousand accounts to call. I am finding that >> there are many records with (for example) California addresses and >> area codes to another state. This makes me think the data I have been >> handed may be less than clean. I'd like to process this list by >> either comparing the State and Area Code or the Zip and Area Code to >> at least make an attempt at validation. Records that don't pass the >> test, won't get called. Area codes can cross zip code boundaries, and vice-versa, although for the requested purpose, the suggested tool may be fine. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 23:01:05 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: I need a list Followup to: <9u5mra$sa1$1@newstest.laserlink.net> By author: "Brian" In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > I need a way to check a ZIP code against an AREA code. Does anyone know of > a freely available list that would have this information in it? > > I have a list of several thousand accounts to call. I am finding that there > are many records with (for example) California addresses and area codes to > another state. This makes me think the data I have been handed may be less > than clean. I'd like to process this list by either comparing the State and > Area Code or the Zip and Area Code to at least make an attempt at > validation. Records that don't pass the test, won't get called. > Anyone happen to know how I could get an out-of-state area code on my home phone? -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Nov 2001 23:25:06 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: I need a list On 29 Nov 2001 23:01:05 -0500, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: >Anyone happen to know how I could get an out-of-state area code on my >home phone? Remote call forwarding -- approx. $15-20/mo for the number (you deal with a LEC in the remote location), plus toll from the remote location to your location (you can choose pretty much any LD carrier/plan available in the remote location to handle your RCF traffic.) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 00:24:50 -0500 From: Steve Smith Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: > > On 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > > >Actually, the question was "why not use a hosting service?" > > The question is not precise enough.There's a fine line here. If you're > hosting services for your personal use, then, IMO, a static IP address > is an unnecessary extravagance. I thought it was quite clear. The original poster talked about "questions to ask an ISP". You're the one who said that instead of relying on access to his own network, the original poster shold go with a hosting service. I simply pointed out that there are things you can do with a network that can't be done (or can only be done awkwardly and expensively) through a hosting service. The issue of static vs dynamic addresses is largely irrelevant. If you can deal with an address that may change on you, then dynamic is OK. My solution? My provider provides a static address. No extra charge. - -- Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net Agincourt Computing http://www.aginc.net "Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 00:27:02 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Last night, on Capitol Beat, Henry E Schaffer said: > >The only way to do this on a common 2-wire phone line is to tap it off > >the handset jack; you're still going to get a *little* hybrid leakage > >from the transmit path, but it should be down 10 db or more, I think. > > I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is > intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make > conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" > (because of the impossibility of achieving perfect balance) into a > virtue. Let us note that the fact that it is good, and the fact that it is unavoidable, do *not* combine to make it intentional. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 00:28:44 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Ten digit dialing? Last night, on Capitol Beat, Dennis Ritchie said: > Re numbering plans-- among the tidbits in the > New York Times special sections celebrating its > 150th anniversary (commemorated in its special sections > of 14 Nov 2001) is this one: > > The Times's first telephone was installed in 1886. > The number was John 470. One of my clients uses, in their marketing materials (most of which I created) a reproduction of a very early ad of theirs (they had their Centennial in 1996) wherein they're listed as having "Phone No. 1" in St Petersburg, FL. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 04:14:09 -0500 From: nsanjeev1812@rediffmail.com (sanjeev) Subject: doibt regarding voice support with MD110 hi, the applicaiton needs to record all the conversations between the callers and the agents of a call center. the call center uses Ericson MD110 PBX. how do i go about with this. 1. how do i interface the computer to the MD110 PBX and how should the application communicate with it. 2. do i need any s/w like ApplicationLink or Open Application Server to do this ie record the files or can i use any other set of APIs. 3. Will IP calling using TCP/IP be an option cos, s/w like ApplicationLink support TCP/IP. 4. s/w like ApplicationLink support Tapi so will i be able to use tapi to record all the conversations between the caller and the agent. OR do i need any additional hardare to do this. thanx a lot in advance sanjeev - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #311 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 1 Dec 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #312 Telecom Digest Saturday, December 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 312 In this issue: ENUM reality (RFC 2916) Re: I need a list Re: I need a list REVIEW: "Wireless Web", Frank P. Coyle Re: I need a list Re: I need a list Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: What's the catch with this offer? My Long distance phone bill dispute. Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Re: I need a list Re: I need a list ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Nov 2001 08:08:57 -0500 From: "Jean-Bernard Condat" Subject: ENUM reality (RFC 2916) Bonjour, In France, we have a general directory of all private and company phone numbers: www.pagesjaunes.fr. But for the GSM's owner, the three giants don't have had a global phone number directory. Bouygues Telecom, SFR (Cegetel) and Itineris (Orange, Coriolis Telecom, Hutchinson, etc.) don't have had the time to build a real useful directory. To have a GSM's portable phone is like to be alone in the telecom world. Only the friends that known you can call you. GIE Preventel will try to do a general directory but for the black-list of the bad payement of the GSM owners. I note in some European telecom magazines that the best one will be the ENUM service that permit an universal directory of all possible phones all over the world: my business phone will identify me correctly as: 9.4.4.9.9.5.4.4.1.3.3.e164.tld in respect with the RFC 2916 of IETF. I never read anything in France regarding to this project and mind that it's a joke from Cisco. Could you please help me a send me all information explaining me that ENUM doesn't be an hoax! Regards, - -- Jean-Bernard Condat Posteasy SA, 42 bd de Sebastopol, 75003 Paris, France [www.posteasy.fr] 0144599449, fax: 0153013874, condat@posteasy.org, 0607238628 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 09:02:08 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: I need a list >From 'Fred Goodwin, CMA': >>> test, won't get called. > >Area codes can cross zip code boundaries, and vice-versa, Area codes DO cross zip code boundaries. An NPA would have to be exceedingly small to NOT occupy more than one zip. However, I've never heard of a zip code straddling two area codes. Oh, yeah, waitaminute. 44143 - Richmond Heights and Mayfield Village, Ohio. some of the phones are in 216 and some are in 440. Ok, so it does happen, but it has to be pretty rare. It generally doesn't happen. although for >the requested purpose, the suggested tool may be fine. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net In another world it may be true that "Information wants to be free." Directory Assistance, or lack thereof, is a profit center here and now. - John Myers, speaking in comp.dcom.telecom - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 10:06:43 -0500 From: wb8foz@panix.com (David Lesher) Subject: Re: I need a list sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >However, I've never heard of a zip code straddling two area codes. >Oh, yeah, waitaminute. 44143 - Richmond Heights and Mayfield Village, Ohio. >some of the phones are in 216 and some are in 440. >Ok, so it does happen, but it has to be pretty rare. It generally doesn't >happen. And Parma as well, I suspect. Maybe parts of Laurel MD. - -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 11:20:33 -0500 From: "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" Subject: REVIEW: "Wireless Web", Frank P. Coyle BKWRLSWB.RVW 20010925 "Wireless Web", Frank P. Coyle, 2001, 0-201-72217-8, U$39.99/C$59.95 %A Frank P. Coyle %C P.O. Box 520, 26 Prince Andrew Place, Don Mills, Ontario M3C 2T8 %D 2001 %G 0-201-72217-8 %I Addison-Wesley Publishing Co. %O U$39.99/C$59.95 416-447-5101 fax: 416-443-0948 bkexpress@aw.com %P 248 p. %T "Wireless Web: A Manager's Guide" The introduction outlines three audiences for the book. They can be condensed into two: executives and consultants who only need to know the implications of the technology, and technical managers, who need to know the gritty details. These two groups are almost completely disjoint, and so it is odd that the author even attempts to address both. However, a significant effort has been made to design the book in such a way that the core text can contain the details, while highlights are addressed in marginal notes that can be skimmed. Chapter one provides an overview of the convergence of the Internet and wireless technology. While it touches on the significance of the change in technology, ultimately the document gets bogged down in voice command examples. Devices are discussed in chapter two, but in spite of the problems noted with incompatibility there is no examination of standardization. A blue sky future is predicted for the Bluetooth protocol. in chapter three, but no information about how to implement real applications. A mixed bag of protocols, some addressing different levels of the communications stack, are very tersely introduced in chapter four. Protocols still on the drawing board are mentioned in chapter five. Chapter six looks at the Wireless Application Protocol (WAP). The usual non-explanation of XML (eXtensible Markup Language) is given in chapter seven: it would probably be better to say that WML (Wireless Markup Language, used in WAP) and VoiceXML are XML applications, and leave it at that. Java, and its close relation to small devices, gets a decent accounting in chapter eight, although extraneous details do obscure the issue. Bits and pieces of security technologies are discussed in chapter nine, but not in a way that comprehensively and usefully addresses the topic. Each chapter ends with a list of resources: mostly Web pages that can be researched for more information on specific topics. By and large, details of the various technologies are almost completely absent from the book. Thus, while it may be suitable for providing a vague idea of the possibilities of wireless applications, the work certainly does not set forth any data or guidance necessary to implement anything. The executive summaries and marginal notes serve only to reduce what is already primarily a promotional piece (albeit free from particular bias) to a pamphlet. As a quick introduction to terms and technologies involved in wireless communications, this volume has something of a place, although an expensive one. For anything more, you will have to look elsewhere. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2001 BKWRLSWB.RVW 20010925 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com If everyone demanded peace instead of another television set, then there'd be peace. - John Lennon http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 11:43:46 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: I need a list Referring to the comment about few zip codes straddling two area codes: Well, I'd guess that there are hundreds and hundreds of zip codes that have multiple area codes. (does that count as "straddling"?) The most common case is called "Overlay Area Codes". Here in western Oregon NPA 503 and 971share the same geographic space and so whatever zip codes exist (like my 97225) they have multiple area codes. There are numerous other overlays as well. (I know that wasn't exactly what you were thinking!) Al Steve Sobol wrote in message news:slrna0e5hc.vrs.sjsobol@amethyst.nstc.com... > From 'Fred Goodwin, CMA': > >>> test, won't get called. > > > >Area codes can cross zip code boundaries, and vice-versa, > > Area codes DO cross zip code boundaries. An NPA would have to be exceedingly > small to NOT occupy more than one zip. > > However, I've never heard of a zip code straddling two area codes. > > Oh, yeah, waitaminute. 44143 - Richmond Heights and Mayfield Village, Ohio. > some of the phones are in 216 and some are in 440. > > Ok, so it does happen, but it has to be pretty rare. It generally doesn't > happen. > > > > although for > >the requested purpose, the suggested tool may be fine. > >-- > >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > > > -- > JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net > > In another world it may be true that "Information wants to be free." > Directory Assistance, or lack thereof, is a profit center here and now. > - John Myers, speaking in comp.dcom.telecom > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 12:56:33 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: I need a list >From 'Al Gillis': >Referring to the comment about few zip codes straddling two area codes: >Well, I'd guess that there are hundreds and hundreds of zip codes that have >multiple area codes. (does that count as "straddling"?) No, I wasn't counting overlays. I mean, that's a situation where an area code is *designated* to sit on top of another one, so of course you'll have zip codes in more than one area code (you may have inidividual STREETS in more than one area code!) The Richmond Heights example I gave wasn't an overlay; it's served by a CO that services both 216 and 440. My old CO in Euclid, up the street from where I used to live, also services both area codes, and if the telco had arranged things a little differently, Euclid might have more than one area code too. (But they don't.) - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO - sjsobol@JustThe.net In another world it may be true that "Information wants to be free." Directory Assistance, or lack thereof, is a profit center here and now. - John Myers, speaking in comp.dcom.telecom - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 13:28:08 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound In , "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: }Last night, on Capitol Beat, Henry E Schaffer said: }> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is }> intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make }> conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" }> (because of the impossibility of achieving perfect balance) into a }> virtue. } }Let us note that the fact that it is good, and the fact that it is }unavoidable, do *not* combine to make it intentional. :-) Hmm. I thought that was the purpose for which the circuit sometimes called the "network" was included in Ma-Bell era (pre-'84 anyhow) telephones. That would make it seem intentional to me. /JBL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 16:37:05 -0500 From: "John Clarke" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Henry E Schaffer said: >> >The only way to do this on a common 2-wire phone line is to tap it off >> >the handset jack; you're still going to get a *little* hybrid leakage >> >from the transmit path, but it should be down 10 db or more, I think. >> >> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >> intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >> conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" >> (because of the impossibility of achieving perfect balance) into a >> virtue. > >Let us note that the fact that it is good, and the fact that it is >unavoidable, do *not* combine to make it intentional. :-) Sidetone is designed into telephones, and is quite intentionally done. It does two things: (1) allows the caller to hear their own voice, which allows people to regulate their volume, and (2) hides echo in the network, which the caller would hear anyway. If the loop length is fairly long and echo suppresion isn't done, you'll end up with a very hollow sounding voice path, since the caller can hear their sidetone voice well before they hear the echo. The level of sidetone given is a bit of an art, but it is designed to provide some feedback so that the person talking doesn't think their voice isn't getting through. I find the sidetone levels way too low on many cellular phones, which, particularly when combined with car noise, results in people shouting into the phone. A coworker a few years ago used to talk way too loudly on his phone, which we fixed by turning up the sidetone adjustment on his headset (without his knowing). Worked like a charm. John - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 17:11:38 -0500 From: "Jim & Rebecca Orr" Subject: Re: What's the catch with this offer? Probably stolen test number. Wonder how long it took them to figure out their network was tied up with fraud? "Jack Decker" wrote in message news:drpa0u8ld8e8d8ovkrtni9e9jdeippslef@4ax.com... > I received the following unsolicited commercial e-mail (something that > would ordinarily fit within my definition of spam) today. This looks like > one of those things that is "too good to be true" and I figure there has to > be a catch of some kind, but I have no idea what it might be. I have not > been brave enough to try placing an actual call using this service but I > wonder if anyone else has. I'm suspicious that perhaps when you dial the > toll-free number, you somehow wind up being billed for a call to England or > some other place (note that the "help" address ends in .uk). For one > thing, I note an asterisk (*) in the body text, but the reason for the > asterisk is not given! > > Anyone know anything at all about this service, or the company behind it? > > [Begin forwarded e-mail:] > > Return-Path: > Received: from mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk (mail [212.9.8.7] (may be forged)) > by [local ISP removed] (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id fASIIAu56194 > for [address removed]; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:18:11 -0500 (EST) > (envelope-from ffon@ffon.net) > Received: from truro [212.9.12.244] by mail.jtfreesurf.co.uk > (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA36193301D0; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:17:26 +0000 > Message-Id: > Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:25:35 GMT > X-Priority: 3 > From: "Telicall (800) 306 5227" > X-Mailer: [removed] > To: [address removed] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Subject: FREE USA CALLS NOW! - DIAL (800) 306 5227 > Content-Type: Text/Html; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit > > Dear Email user, > > Before you delete this email as junk, we are offering you FREE phone calls, > immediately, no sign up just an (800) number to dial from anywhere in the > USA. > > All weekday calls* made between now and December 24th to any of the > following countries are absolutely FREE! > > Great Britain > USA > Canada > > Simply dial toll free on (800) 306 5227 > > You will hear a dial tone and welcome announcement. Simply dial in the full > international number you wish to call followed by the # sign. > > For example: > > to call (303) 555 5411 in Denver, CO, you would dial 00 1 303 555 5411# > to call 020 7123 4567 in London, England you would dial 00 44 20 7123 4567# > > If you experience any difficulties or busy circuits when using our service, > please email help@telicall.co.uk and let us know! > ____________________________________________________ > > [End forwarded e-mail. Bulk mailer ID lines removed because they might > cause THIS message to be filtered as spam!] > > I suppose it would not hurt to try this from a pay phone (if they will even > accept such calls) but I just can't help thinking there must be a "gotcha" > to this somewhere! If anyone can enlighten us on this I'd appreciate it. > > Jack > > > _____ > Resources for Michigan Telephone Users page: > http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 19:06:12 -0500 From: askstanley@hotmail.com (eplayer) Subject: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Hi, I hope to get some advise about my dispute over my long distance telephone bill. To make a long story short, I had my long distance carrier switched from AT&T to MCI last month. After using MCI for about 2 weeks, I got a 'high toll' letter from MCI and had my long distance service blocked. Basically, they told me that there was an operator call to United Kingdom from my line for about $120. I have to accept the charges to have my line activated again. I am sure that I didn't make the call to United Kingdom, indeed, I hadn't called to England for the last five years. So, I didn't agree to pay the charges. I then bought a calling card for long distance calls. Due to the unpleasant experience with MCI, I switched my long distance carrier back to AT&T even though it is more expensive. I received my MCI bill yesterday and went through the same trouble speaking to the MCI representatives. They insisted that the call to United Kingdom is from my line and ask me to have my phone line checked to make sure that it is not cross wired first. I then talked to my local telephone company to have my line checked and still waiting for the result. This is just not a pleasant experience at all. Maybe, I am just unlucky. Maybe, MCI did nothing wrong. But still, their customer service is quite bad. I don't want to have business with them anymore. My previous AT&T bills are quite clean for the last few years, never have to talk to them about my bills. I always pay all my bills on time. Please give me some advise on what I should do about it. It is quite annoying. Thanks, Stanley - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Nov 2001 22:03:38 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. My take is that, unless it is something small you can get straightened out in a single phone call, never argue with a phone company over the phone. They record everything, and you have no record of what they said. Use a certified letter with return receipt. That gets their attention and establishes a record that they got something from you. If they want to dispute the content, they will have to produce it. I would send them such a letter even now. They likely figure you are somebody trying to scam them and may attack your credit record. Such types don't want a clear record, so a letter with a copy of the bill, and all else, with what is wrong may well convince them you, at least, are on the straight and level. Be polite, but be firm that it is their error and their responsibility to investigate and correct it. eplayer wrote: > Hi, I hope to get some advise about my dispute over my long distance > telephone bill. > To make a long story short, I had my long distance carrier switched > from AT&T to MCI last month. After using MCI for about 2 weeks, I got > a 'high toll' letter from MCI and had my long distance service > blocked. Basically, they told me that there was an operator call to > United Kingdom from my line for about $120. I have to accept the > charges to have my line activated again. I am sure that I didn't make > the call to United Kingdom, indeed, I hadn't called to England for the > last five years. So, I didn't agree to pay the charges. I then > bought a calling card for long distance calls. Due to the unpleasant > experience with MCI, I switched my long distance carrier back to AT&T > even though it is more expensive. I received my MCI bill yesterday > and went through the same trouble speaking to the MCI representatives. > They insisted that the call to United Kingdom is from my line and ask > me to have my phone line checked to make sure that it is not cross > wired first. I then talked to my local telephone company to have my > line checked and still waiting for the result. > > This is just not a pleasant experience at all. Maybe, I am just > unlucky. Maybe, MCI did nothing wrong. But still, their customer > service is quite bad. I don't want to have business with them > anymore. My previous AT&T bills are quite clean for the last few > years, never have to talk to them about my bills. I always pay all my > bills on time. > > Please give me some advise on what I should do about it. It is quite > annoying. > > Thanks, > Stanley > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 00:41:10 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: I need a list Parma - 44134 has 216 (northern part) and 440 (southern). Steve Sobol wrote: > However, I've never heard of a zip code straddling two area codes. > > Oh, yeah, waitaminute. 44143 - Richmond Heights and Mayfield Village, Ohio. > some of the phones are in 216 and some are in 440. > > Ok, so it does happen, but it has to be pretty rare. It generally doesn't > happen. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 01:51:13 -0500 From: fgoodwin@yahoo.com (Fred Goodwin, CMA) Subject: Re: I need a list My point was (and I think no one so far disagrees): In general, there is no unique, one-for-one mapping of zip codes to area codes. - -- Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." Skeptic's Creed: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #312 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 2 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #313 Telecom Digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 313 In this issue: Club de l'Arche en 3D Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only Problems with QWest long distance information and assistance. Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Re: I need a list Handspring Expertly Combines Cellphone, PDA in New Treo Re: ENUM reality (RFC 2916) Re: I need a list Re: Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Dec 2001 10:26:17 -0500 From: "Jean-Bernard Condat" Subject: Club de l'Arche en 3D Bonjour, Mardi 4 décembre a 18h30 précises, vous êtes cordialement invité à une scéance exceptionnelle du Club de l'Arche consacrée à un sujet généralement mal compris de beaucoup de monde: La 3D sur Internet au secours du commerce électronique? présentation par Thierry LUYER, pdg de Gotham Les thèmes abordés: 1. Présentation de Gotham 2. La 3D sur Internet : Focus technologique 3. Les marchés de la 3D : 3.1 Applications B to C 3.2 Applications B to B 3.3 Positionnement de marques 3.4 Approche évènementielle 4. Exemple : Construire l'Europe des monnaies en 3D 5. Le processus d'acquisition d'un modèle 3D 6. La veille technologique Gotham est la web agency du Groupe BNP Paribas. C'est une web agency de 3e génération axée sur les solutions innovantes à forte valeur ajoutée. L'accent est mis sur la création grâce à un véritable studio graphique intégré. De plus Gotham a un positionnement très en pointe sur la 3D. Apportez votre bonne humeur, vos questions, un(e) de vos ami(e)s afin de lui faire découvrir qui nous sommes en lui rappelant notre site www.arche.fr.st. Venez nombreux, c'est gratuit! - -- Jean-Bernard Condat (jean-bernard@condat-jb.nom.fr, www.jeanbernardcondat.com) Club de l'Arche, Secrétaire 5 av Kléber, 75116 Paris (M° CDG-Etoile ou Kléber), niveau -2, dans l'atelier télématique de la BNP-Paribas. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 11:11:31 -0500 From: frankdavidgirard@aol.com (FrankG) Subject: Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only I'd like to lookup a list of businesses after I enter only area codes and exchanges.Basically I'm using it to find businesses being handled by local exchange carriers. I've tried many reverse lookup directories on the internet but they come up with no listings for the clec phone numbers. Can anyone help? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 11:36:30 -0500 From: ultimangel@hotmail.com (Nardia Grimlo) Subject: Problems with QWest long distance information and assistance. I recently had to make an emergency long distance call distantly related to the war effort to a country near there, and I called my long distance carrier QWest and asked for the country code. They gave me a code that, as it turns out, had been changed back in 9/30/1998. It took us a while and a call to AT&T to find this out, over 45 minutes to realize we had been given the wrong country code. Well this really freaked us out and I can't go into detail here, but it was a disaster. So after I had calmed down I called and VERY NICELY told the operator and she switches me to a supervisor. Opps, hung up on me. So I call back, opps I get a fast busy. I call back, another fast busy. I call back, try to explain to the operator and SHE HANGS UP on me. So I wait an hour and calm down again. And this time I had one of our gals, who is sweet as heck call, and she gets the same thing, hang ups and fast busys, BUT FINALLY she gets thru to a supervisor. She very nicely tries to explain and half way through it the supervisor hangs up on her after saying "This isn't about a phone call? click". So she tries again, and after about 5 tries gets a supervisor. And about half way through saying you were giving us the wrong country code and please fix it before it causes pain for someone else, CLICK. She hung up. About that time I thought the boss was going to come completely unhinged. A formal complaint is going through the State Department documenting QWest's terrible customer serice and we sure as hell are getting rid of their pathetic service. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 11:53:05 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Your biggest mistake was going with MCI. These days there are lots of alternatives and you don't have to pay more than 5 cents per minute for domestic calls and sometimes a lot less than that. On 30 Nov 2001 19:06:12 -0500, askstanley@hotmail.com (eplayer) wrote: >Hi, I hope to get some advise about my dispute over my long distance >telephone bill. >To make a long story short, I had my long distance carrier switched >from AT&T to MCI last month. After using MCI for about 2 weeks, I got >a 'high toll' letter from MCI and had my long distance service >blocked. Basically, they told me that there was an operator call to >United Kingdom from my line for about $120. I have to accept the >charges to have my line activated again. I am sure that I didn't make >the call to United Kingdom, indeed, I hadn't called to England for the >last five years. So, I didn't agree to pay the charges. I then >bought a calling card for long distance calls. Due to the unpleasant >experience with MCI, I switched my long distance carrier back to AT&T >even though it is more expensive. I received my MCI bill yesterday >and went through the same trouble speaking to the MCI representatives. > They insisted that the call to United Kingdom is from my line and ask >me to have my phone line checked to make sure that it is not cross >wired first. I then talked to my local telephone company to have my >line checked and still waiting for the result. > >This is just not a pleasant experience at all. Maybe, I am just >unlucky. Maybe, MCI did nothing wrong. But still, their customer >service is quite bad. I don't want to have business with them >anymore. My previous AT&T bills are quite clean for the last few >years, never have to talk to them about my bills. I always pay all my >bills on time. > >Please give me some advise on what I should do about it. It is quite >annoying. > >Thanks, >Stanley - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 14:57:21 -0500 From: Roy Subject: Re: I need a list For that matter LATA. 95020 has places where not only is it a different area code but a different LATA. Its a long distance (IXC) type call. "Fred Goodwin, CMA" wrote: > My point was (and I think no one so far disagrees): > > In general, there is no unique, one-for-one mapping of zip codes to area > codes. > > -- > > Hanlon's Razor: > "Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity." > > Skeptic's Creed: > "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 17:21:41 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Handspring Expertly Combines Cellphone, PDA in New Treo November 29, 2001 Handspring Expertly Combines Cellphone, PDA in New Treo By WALTER S. MOSSBERG FOR THE PAST week, I have been carrying around a new hand-held, wireless device that is simultaneously the best personal digital assistant I have ever used and the most capable cellphone. It looks like a flip-phone and makes and receives calls with ease. It has a large screen, and can surf the Web and send and receive e-mail. It also has a full keyboard that makes composing e-mails or memos a breeze. It uses the Palm operating system and can synchronize dates and addresses with a PC. Yet, despite all that power, this device is shorter and narrower than a Compaq iPAQ Pocket PC, or even a Palm V. About the size of a wallet and under 6 ounces in weight, it feels great in the hand and fits easily in a pocket. This new product is the Treo 180 from Handspring. It costs $399 and will be available in early January. Designed by Jeff Hawkins, the man who invented the Palm Pilot and the Handspring Visor, the Treo is a true breakthrough. Unlike other combo devices, which were either phones withPalms jammed into them or Palms with phone features added, the Treo is a true hybrid. It was designed from the ground up to be a new kind of device, which the company calls a "communicator." ... http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20011129.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 21:25:55 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: ENUM reality (RFC 2916) Followup to: By author: In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > I note in some European telecom magazines that the best one will be the ENUM > service that permit an universal directory of all possible phones all over > the world: my business phone will identify me correctly as: > > 9.4.4.9.9.5.4.4.1.3.3.e164.tld > > in respect with the RFC 2916 of IETF. I never read anything in France > regarding to this project and mind that it's a joke from Cisco. > It's not a hoax, but it's e164.arpa not e164.tld -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2001 22:44:21 -0500 From: dscheidt@tumbolia.com Subject: Re: I need a list In comp.dcom.telecom Stanley Cline wrote: > On 29 Nov 2001 23:01:05 -0500, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: > >>Anyone happen to know how I could get an out-of-state area code on my >>home phone? > > Remote call forwarding -- approx. $15-20/mo for the number (you deal > with a LEC in the remote location), plus toll from the remote location > to your location (you can choose pretty much any LD carrier/plan > available in the remote location to handle your RCF traffic.) > Another option, depending on why you want an out of state area code, is a cell phone. If both your home and the area code you want to have a number in are both served by one of the c3ellular providers that offer no roaming charges on their network, it might be cost effective. - -- dscheidt@tumbolia.com Bipedalism is only a fad. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 00:16:17 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only On 1 Dec 2001 11:11:31 -0500, frankdavidgirard@aol.com (FrankG) wrote: >I'd like to lookup a list of businesses after I enter only area codes >and exchanges.Basically I'm using it to find businesses being handled >by local exchange carriers. I've tried many reverse lookup directories I've never seen such a thing. Besides, with local number portability, most established businesses will have ILEC NPA-NXXs anyway; you might be able to find a handful of relatively new businesses in CLEC NPA-NXXs, but even that's doubtful. (I know this isn't what you're asking for, but some of the major "white pages" sites would also allow one to pull up phone numbers for all residences/businesses on a given street -- quite helpful when trying to determine if DSL is available at a specific location when one doesn't have a phone number for the specific address. None of them seem to allow this anymore. :( ) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #313 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 3 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #314 Telecom Digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 314 In this issue: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only This Ping Thing Didn't Take Wing Spectralink for Norstar for sale on eBay Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound phone key pad survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Dec 2001 13:10:03 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 30 Nov 2001 00:24:50 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >> On 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >> >> >Actually, the question was "why not use a hosting service?" >> >> The question is not precise enough.There's a fine line here. If you're >> hosting services for your personal use, then, IMO, a static IP address >> is an unnecessary extravagance. > >I thought it was quite clear. The original poster talked about >"questions to ask an ISP". ....and several of the OP's questions were about static IP addresses. My point was that unless you're providing Internet services for others to use through that DSL line, there is little to no benefit for having a static IP address. > You're the one who said that instead of >relying on access to his own network, the original poster shold go with >a hosting service. A different poster cited an "advantage" of commercially hosting in your house: an individual would be able to keep the service up. Unfortunately, there are multiple ways that such a hosting configuration can fail that are completely out of the control of a home user. > I simply pointed out that there are things you can >do with a network that can't be done (or can only be done awkwardly and >expensively) through a hosting service. You were clearly talking about services on your home network: in 3C02B921.2CB7B380@aginc.net , you mentioned several services to have on your home-connected network. You explicitly mentioned "Management of your home network" via SSH and having your own personal FTP service. >The issue of static vs dynamic addresses is largely irrelevant. Exactly. That's what I've been saying. With any decent ISP, your dynamic IP address for DSL service should be quite stable. On the other hand, you told us that your IP address was not stable: On 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >Dynamic addresses and DSL modems seem to be far more stable in your >experience than mine. I asked you to explain this comment, you ignored it. Please tell us: is your DSL modem really unstable? Why does it reset itself? > If you >can deal with an address that may change on you, then dynamic is OK. I know of no good reason why dynamic IP addresses over DSL should be volitale. But, even if they were, "dealing with" a changing IP address is a simple matter of having a daemon send the updated IP address to a well-known location on the Internet. >My solution? "Solution" implies that there is a problem. You have yet to explain why you think your DSL modem is not stable. >Steve Smith sgs@aginc.net >"Truth is stranger than fiction because fiction has to make sense." - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 15:22:42 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Looking up businesses by area code and exchanges only >(I know this isn't what you're asking for, but some of the major >"white pages" sites would also allow one to pull up phone numbers for >all residences/businesses on a given street -- quite helpful when >trying to determine if DSL is available at a specific location when >one doesn't have a phone number for the specific address. None of >them seem to allow this anymore. :( ) Reference USA does if you pay them. My local library subscribes, and if I go to the library's web site, follow their link to Reference USA, and type in my library card number (this is easier than it sounds), I get access to their street lists. They're quite handy. I don't think the library pays very much; ask your library if they provide something similar. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 15:22:57 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: This Ping Thing Didn't Take Wing This Ping Thing Didn't Take Wing By Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Nov. 30, 2001 PST Gate5 was an obscure software company in Berlin until it recently made headlines. But the publicity wasn't the kind a startup would want: culpability in a security breach. Gate5, a 2-year-old company that develops location-based services, placed on its website an application that deciphered whether mobile phones were switched on or off without informing the subscribers who were being monitored. ... http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,48631,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 16:44:15 -0500 From: "Brett Gibson" Subject: Spectralink for Norstar for sale on eBay We have a SpectraLink 150 Model 2 Part number SCN408 on eBay. Refer to the following item link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1672464953 Thanks, Brett Gibson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 20:29:25 -0500 From: Shaun Ollivierre Subject: Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. On 30 Nov 2001 19:06:12 -0500 askstanley@hotmail.com (eplayer) wrote: > Hi, I hope to get some advise about my dispute over my long distance > telephone bill. > To make a long story short, I had my long distance carrier switched > from AT&T to MCI last month. After using MCI for about 2 weeks, I got > a 'high toll' letter from MCI and had my long distance service > blocked. Basically, they told me that there was an operator call to > United Kingdom from my line for about $120. I have to accept the > charges to have my line activated again. I am sure that I didn't make > the call to United Kingdom, indeed, I hadn't called to England for the > last five years. So, I didn't agree to pay the charges. I then > bought a calling card for long distance calls. Due to the unpleasant > experience with MCI, I switched my long distance carrier back to AT&T > even though it is more expensive. I received my MCI bill yesterday > and went through the same trouble speaking to the MCI representatives. > They insisted that the call to United Kingdom is from my line and ask > me to have my phone line checked to make sure that it is not cross > wired first. I then talked to my local telephone company to have my > line checked and still waiting for the result. > > This is just not a pleasant experience at all. Maybe, I am just > unlucky. Maybe, MCI did nothing wrong. But still, their customer > service is quite bad. I don't want to have business with them > anymore. My previous AT&T bills are quite clean for the last few > years, never have to talk to them about my bills. I always pay all my > bills on time. > > Please give me some advise on what I should do about it. It is quite > annoying. > > Thanks, > Stanley > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. This might sound a little brute, but usually I don't bother with these account people, or the customer service people. I try to take my issues as high as I can get. See if you can get a hold of Vice Presidents, Investor relation people, whoever you can. My experience with this matter has got me save from fraud against my Credit cards, problems I have had with telephone and internet companies and such. Usually when you call and complain, those people can't do anything, they are just being paid for minor issues, but important people know how important it is to remain on a customer s good side. See if you can find someone on their webpage to email and follow up with a call, someone of importance. I bet they will be on your side. Cheers! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Dec 2001 23:58:42 -0500 From: tknab@nyx.net (Terry Knab) Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Robert Casey wrote: : Verzion is advertising telling us in 201 that we are going : ten digit dialing (in perperation of an overlay). Stupid : question: They haven't mentioned anything about 911, : might someone think they will need to dial 201-911 : in the ten digit dialing era? I know you don't have to : do that, but someone might do it. Would the switch : pass the call to 911? 911 is in a strange breed of phone numbers. Its *required* as is 711 to only be a 3 digit call, iirc. So, why should you have to dial 6 digits for 911/711? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 01:02:44 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Phil Earnhardt said: > On 26 Nov 2001 20:36:11 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > >Phil Earnhardt wrote: > > > >> AFAICT, the only need to get static IP addresses is if you plan to > >> have published services for others to use. Given the cheapness of > >> hosting services these days, I don't see much need for people to use > >> their home facilities for this. > > > >Surprisingly enough, there are things that you can do on an Internet > >connected server other than running a Webserver. Some obvious ones: > >[SNIP] > > This has nothing to do with whether or not you have a Static IP > address. A dynamic IP address will work just fine for the services you > describe in your posting -- provided the dynamic IP address is > reasonably stable. Yes, but *outbound NAT* *won't*, which was the topic at hand. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 01:05:51 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Last night, on Capitol Beat, Terry Knab said: > 911 is in a strange breed of phone numbers. Its *required* as is 711 to > only be a 3 digit call, iirc. So, why should you have to dial 6 digits for > 911/711? That's cause it's *not* a "number". It's a Special Service Code (I think is the proper terminology). It's not an *address*, it's a *dialling pattern*, translated by the CO into the routing number for the PSAP in question. Cheers, - - jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 01:08:12 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Last night, on Capitol Beat, Joel B Levin said: > }Let us note that the fact that it is good, and the fact that it is > }unavoidable, do *not* combine to make it intentional. :-) > > Hmm. I thought that was the purpose for which the circuit sometimes called > the "network" was included in Ma-Bell era (pre-'84 anyhow) telephones. That > would make it seem intentional to me. Actually, the purpose of the network, also called a hybrid, is to *take apart* the signals, so that you *don't hear ALL of your speech* in the earpiece. It's next to impossible to make a passive hybrid perfect, which is why it's nice that they didn't need to. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 02:08:14 -0500 From: Helmut Hissen Subject: phone key pad survey Hi, I am looking for info on distribution of key pads around the world. who is using what keypad; when did they start using some other key pad, etc. Things in north america are relatively straight forward... there are only three different ones for the most part, but what about the rest :-)of the world a while ago I tried to write up something for my web site (http://www.dialabc.com) that explains all the different type of phone key pads in use ... and to have the online tools support these key pads a meaningful way. Recently I received a bunch of emails asking questions of the specific and useful variety and once again I am quite stomped. So, I am trying to nails this topic once and for all and I am willing to do some homework for it. The level of detail I am looking for is sort of like this: "in country X, Y% of telephone key pads have format Z" etc, but really any and all help would be greatly appreciated - - URLs for web pages with relevant info - - pictures of phone key pads - - contacts in the phone manufacturing industry considering how many people are expected to punch in text on phone key pads, its amazing how often this is glossed over. please help regards Helmut Hissen helmut@dialabc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #314 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 4 Dec 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #315 Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 315 In this issue: Telecom Update (Canada) #311, December 3, 2001 Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP REVIEW: "The Future of Wireless Communications", William Webb Re: phone key pad survey Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: Handspring Expertly Combines Cellphone, PDA in New Treo Re: AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) cellular industry contact sought FS: Three Dialogic D/41D Voicemail boards FS: Three D/41D Dialogic 4-port voicemail cards Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Dec 2001 10:32:38 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #311, December 3, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 311: December 3, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Rogers Prepared for Internet Switch ** Dalfen Named CRTC Chair ** 10-Digit Dialing Approved for 613 ** TIW Announces Restructuring Plan ** Aliant Announces TV to PC ** Telus Publisher Launches Toronto Phone Book ** Bell Offers Global Internet Access ** RSL Buys Vancouver Reseller ** CRTC to Review Telco Loop Costs ** Commission Confirms Changes to Local Service Costing ** Telus Trials Location-Based Services ** Gateway Cuts Jobs ** Terra Lycos Orders Unpaid Staff Leave ** MTS Boosts Speed for DSL Internet Access ** Bell Launches Outsourcing Group ** Toronto 211 Help Line to Begin in March ** More Red Ink at 360networks ** Look Reaches EBITDA Break-Even ** Award to Recognize Women in High-Tech ** Is Telecom Competition Working? ============================================================ ROGERS PREPARED FOR INTERNET SWITCH: Rogers Cable says it is still negotiating with Excite@Home for a contract extension, but could switch its global Internet access over to Teleglobe in "a matter of hours" if necessary. On Friday, a U.S. court gave Excite@Home permission to terminate service to cable companies that haven't agreed to new contract terms. ** Rogers' Internet service was still working on Monday morning. The company says that 70% of its e-mail customers have now switched to the @rogers.com domain. ** Excite@Home cut off service to 850,000 U.S. AT&T customers on Saturday. DALFEN NAMED CRTC CHAIR: Charles M. Dalfen has been appointed Chairperson of the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission, effective January 1, 2002. Dalfen, who was Vice-Chair of the CRTC from 1976 to 1980, is currently a senior partner in the Torys law firm and chair of its Communications Law Group. 10-DIGIT DIALING APPROVED FOR 613: CRTC Order 2001-841 approves the proposal to eliminate 7-digit local calling between Area Codes 613 and 819 by the end of 2004. Government offices in the Ottawa-Hull area will be exempt from the change. ** A new Area Code will be overlaid in 613 in 2008, resulting in 10-digit local dialing throughout Eastern Ontario. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2001/o2001-841.htm TIW ANNOUNCES RESTRUCTURING PLAN: Telesystem International Wireless has announced a complex restructuring proposal which, if approved, would retire US$394 million in debt, give major debtholders 36.5% of equity, raise $90 million in additional equity, and reduce Telesystem's stake in the company to 22.5%. ALIANT ANNOUNCES TV TO PC: Aliant Telecom says it has developed software that enables delivery of television to personal computers (Pentium II or better) over DSL lines, allowing users to surf the Web while watching TV. The telco plans to offer it on a subscription basis by the end of the year. TELUS PUBLISHER LAUNCHES TORONTO PHONE BOOK: Dominion Information Services, publisher of Telus phone books, says that it will distribute 1.1 million copies of a SuperPages directory in Toronto by the end of January. The company says its book is "the first of its kind to cover the whole city of Toronto." BELL OFFERS GLOBAL INTERNET ACCESS: Bell Canada has launched a global roaming service that lets business Internet customers log on in 150 countries without long distance charges. ** Bell Sympatico is raising prices for its limited-usage dial-up plans: 100 hours/month access is now $19.95, up from $15.95. RSL BUYS VANCOUVER RESELLER: SaskTel subsidiary RSL Com has agreed to buy Startec Canada (formerly Vancouver Telephone Company) which resells local, long distance, and Internet services in B.C. CRTC TO REVIEW TELCO LOOP COSTS: Last August, Bell Canada told the CRTC that a new study showed that its costs to provide "primary exchange service" (local service) were higher than previously assumed. The CRTC has now ordered all of the major telcos to provide new cost filings for residential and non-residential service and local loops, by May 31, 2002. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Notices/2001/pt2001-119.htm COMMISSION CONFIRMS CHANGES TO LOCAL SERVICE COSTING: CRTC Decision 2001-737 orders telcos to use per-band loop costs in the imputation test that ensures incumbents don't price local services below cost. All of the major telcos opposed the change, which the Commission says "will increase fairness and competitive equity." http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2001/dt2001-737.htm TELUS TRIALS LOCATION-BASED SERVICES: Telus is testing a service that gives directions to selected stores, theatres, or restaurants, based on location information spoken by callers. GATEWAY CUTS JOBS: Gateway Networks and Gateway Telephone have laid off 16 employees, primarily in network operations. Jim Blumson, CEO of the North Bay-based CLEC and fibre network operator, says the cutbacks will not affect customer service. TERRA LYCOS ORDERS UNPAID STAFF LEAVE: Internet portal company Terra Lycos has told its U.S. staff to take five days of unpaid leave in December to help cut costs. Terra Lycos owns 29% of Bell Canada's Web service, Sympatico-Lycos. MTS BOOSTS SPEED FOR DSL INTERNET ACCESS: Manitoba Telecom Services is offering higher speed DSL Internet access to business customers in Winnipeg and Brandon for $99.95 (single user) or $159.95 (multi-user) a month. Maximum speeds: 3 Mbps (download) and 320 Kbps (upload). BELL LAUNCHES OUTSOURCING GROUP: Bell Canada has formed a new business unit, Managed Solutions, to market outsourced services. The unit will be headed by Charles Salameh, Marketing VP of Data/IP Services & Strategy. TORONTO 211 HELP LINE TO BEGIN IN MARCH: Beginning in March 2002, Toronto residents will be able to reach the Community Information help line, which links callers with 3,500 agencies and businesses, using the 211 dialing code recently assigned to social services. (See Telecom Update #295) MORE RED INK AT 360NETWORKS: 360networks reports third quarter revenue of $31 million, compared to $119 million the previous year and "negative revenue" of $62 million the previous quarter. The net loss was $164 million (last year: $51 million.) (See Telecom Update #305) LOOK REACHES EBITDA BREAK-EVEN: Look Communications reports a third quarter EBITDA gain of $600,000, compared to a $12.6 million loss last year. Revenue declined by $2.7 million (14%); expenses were down by $40 million (38%). ** Look's creditors will meet December 14 to consider its restructuring plan. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 11:02:22 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 3 Dec 2001 01:02:44 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >> This has nothing to do with whether or not you have a Static IP >> address. A dynamic IP address will work just fine for the services you >> describe in your posting -- provided the dynamic IP address is >> reasonably stable. > >Yes, but *outbound NAT* *won't*, which was the topic at hand. Actually, "NAT on DSL" wasn't the topic at hand. The contingency you describe was covered in my first posting to the thread: On 21 Nov 2001 10:17:33 -0500, Phil Earnhardt wrote: >Even if you wish to have incoming connections, you can get a Linksys >box that will allow selective forwarding of packets to one or more of >the computers at your home. While the services that ISPs offer give >you a dynamic IP address, they address is typically changed only when >you reboot the DSL modem. Clearly, someone can also use a Linux box -- or other platforms -- to provide the selective forwarding services. >Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 11:17:47 -0500 From: "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" Subject: REVIEW: "The Future of Wireless Communications", William Webb BKFUWLCM.RVW 20010925 "The Future of Wireless Communications", William Webb, 2001, 1-58053-248-9, U$69.00 %A William Webb %C 685 Canton St., Norwood, MA 02062 %D 2001 %G 1-58053-248-9 %I Artech House/Horizon %O U$69.00 800-225-9977 fax: +1-617-769-6334 artech@artech-house.com %P 434 p. %T "The Future of Wireless Communications" Predicting the future in the technical world is a dangerous business, particularly in a rapidly changing field like communications. Yet the author attempts to do so not just in the short term, but over a range of twenty years. If nothing else, you have to admire his courage. And Webb does know the dangers: he points out, in chapter one, the foolish predictions that have been made over the years. But he also demonstrates the importance; to business, public policy, and other endeavors; of prediction, and the possibility of achieving educated guesses if you make the right kind of forecast. Part two examines the factors that drive future development. Chapter two starts at the end--the end user, the final customer, and the desires of the public market. The material is generic, and possibly too vague to be of use in prognostication, but does point out some areas for consideration. Discussion of the great number and variety of technologies involved in the general field of wireless communications makes chapter three rather lengthy. Part three looks at practical constraints and limits on future development. Chapter four surveys technical restrictions, but is confined to the traditional contention model, without considering the benefits of cooperative models arising out of data networks. Social, financial, and other restraints are discussed in chapter five, although the view of standards as a limiting factor seems odd in an era when de facto norms seem to spring up in mere months. The review of organizations, in chapter six, seems a bit weak. Part four is the heart of the book, or, rather, hearts: bets are hedged by providing a number of views of the future. Chapter seven presents a view of how the future might have looked to an analyst of twenty years ago. A "technologist's" perspective sees more demand for telecom, but provides contradictory views of using it to bring the world to us (video-on-demand and home shopping) as opposed to going out into the world (the "day in the life" scenario). A "bold" vista sees a growth in some forms of telecom in the near future. A list of various standards and potential applications makes up a realization of the information society. "Learning from the Past" is an unintentionally ironic title, since the scenario that starts the chapter uses applications which all exist already (apart from a software operator that handles calls for the user). Chapter twelve discusses some minor problems with developing technologies. The "Communications Cocktail" is perhaps the most realistic attempt to view the future: although I suspect it is a bit short-sighted, there is an acknowledgement that one telecom solution will not fit all. An "official" prognostication from the UK reads much like every government analysis you've ever seen. A summary of the predictions is given in chapter fifteen, but the appraisal (which is reasonable) comes in sixteen. The material is repeated, with different structures, in chapter seventeen. I suspect that the predictions made in the book will seem very conservative when viewed twenty years hence. At the same time, the text does provide a very good overview of the immediate situation with regard to mobile communications and the developments coming onstream. For the telecommunications manager, this work is a reasonable, if verbose, guide to the next few years in the wireless world. The longer term will probably be significantly different. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2001 BKFUWLCM.RVW 20010925 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com I have received memos so swollen with managerial babble that they struck me as the literary equivalent of assault with a deadly weapon. - Peter Baida http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 12:18:41 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: phone key pad survey On 3 Dec 2001 02:08:14 -0500, Helmut Hissen wrote: >Hi, > >I am looking for info on distribution of key pads around the world. who > >is using what keypad; when did they start using some other key pad, >etc. Things in north america are relatively straight forward... there >are only three different ones for the most part, but what about the rest > >:-)of the world Most countries in the world never used letters associated with numbers. In North America the original dials I believe had 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY and 0 z (sometimes Q.) Presently it's 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PQRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXYZ, 0 (blank.) When they had numbers and letters on UK dials it was 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MN, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY, 0 O (the letter) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 13:17:02 -0500 From: Loren Cahlander Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: > On 30 Nov 2001 00:24:50 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: > > >>>On 29 Nov 2001 03:07:26 -0500, Steve Smith wrote: >>> >>> >>>>Actually, the question was "why not use a hosting service?" >>>> >>>The question is not precise enough.There's a fine line here. If you're >>>hosting services for your personal use, then, IMO, a static IP address >>>is an unnecessary extravagance. >>> >>I thought it was quite clear. The original poster talked about >>"questions to ask an ISP". >> > > ....and several of the OP's questions were about static IP addresses. > My point was that unless you're providing Internet services for others > to use through that DSL line, there is little to no benefit for having > a static IP address. If the OP wants a static IP, then why keep shooting the requirement down. Sometimes it is a comfort level issue. If he wants to pay extra for a static IP, then he should be able to get a static IP. We all know by now what your preference is! That does not make his preference any less valid. Why don't you just drop the issue? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 13:51:11 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: Handspring Expertly Combines Cellphone, PDA in New Treo While waiting on 1 Dec 2001 17:21:41 -0500 in da vastness of space to hitch a ride w/ Galen, Monty Solomon wrote: >November 29, 2001 >Handspring Expertly Combines >Cellphone, PDA in New Treo > >By WALTER S. MOSSBERG > >FOR THE PAST week, I have been carrying around a new hand-held, >wireless device that is simultaneously the best personal digital >assistant I have ever used and the most capable cellphone. > >It looks like a flip-phone and makes and receives calls with ease. It >has a large screen, and can surf the Web and send and receive e-mail. >It also has a full keyboard that makes composing e-mails or memos a >breeze. It uses the Palm operating system and can synchronize dates >and addresses with a PC. > >Yet, despite all that power, this device is shorter and narrower than >a Compaq iPAQ Pocket PC, or even a Palm V. About the size of a wallet >and under 6 ounces in weight, it feels great in the hand and fits >easily in a pocket. > >This new product is the Treo 180 from Handspring. It costs $399 and >will be available in early January. Designed by Jeff Hawkins, the man >who invented the Palm Pilot and the Handspring Visor, the Treo is a >true breakthrough. Unlike other combo devices, which were either >phones withPalms jammed into them or Palms with phone features added, >the Treo is a true hybrid. It was designed from the ground up to be a >new kind of device, which the company calls a "communicator." > >... > >http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20011129.html Gee, nice of him to mention the product is vaporware. On the other hand, you can buy TODAY a superior product, the Samsung SPH-i300 1 COLOR screen so old geezers can see it more clearly 2 CDMA and AMPS instead of GSM-only.... so it works where 94% of the US pop is, as opposed to the only 69% coverage of GSM 3 No awkward flip-top Read what the users have to say at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/i300 - and look for the link for the Amazon.com discount which lowers the price to $420 w/ free freight. - -- John Bartley, PC syadmin, Portland OR, USA - Views are mine. http://palmwireless.cjb.net Wireless FAQ for PalmOS(r) http://celdata.cjb.net Handheld Cellular Data FAQ rm -rf /bin/lauden - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 15:43:52 -0500 From: douglas.holland@bcs.org.uk (Douglas I Holland) Subject: Re: AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) d_r_newcomb@my-deja.com (Donald Newcomb) wrote in message news:<94aaf905.0111271632.280e2205@posting.google.com>... > I'm trying to locate general information about the AFTN (Aeronautical > Fixed Telecommunication Network). So far I understand that it is a > text-based messaging system (not unlike AUTODIN) which links avaition > centers around the world. Some links are based on TCP/IP while others > are X.25. > > My interests are primarily questions like: Who runs/coordinates the > network? How are messages routed? How quickly are they delivered? How > is the system used for emergency/SAR communications? Etc. > > Thanks, > -- > Donald R. Newcomb > DRNewcomb (at) attglobal (dot) net I am surprised at the lack of response to Donald's query and as it was obvious none was forthcoming, I might as well do the honours. ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organisation) a specialized agency of the UN (although I think it predates the UN as an organisation. ICAO being set up at the Chicago Convention in 1944) sets the Standards for the ATN and AFTN (which is being subhumed into ATN). The contracting States, normally through their Civil Aviation Authority (examples being CAA in the UK, FAA in the USA, CAAC in China) develop the standards in special technical and operational ICAO committees. It then up to these sovereign states to ensure that their telecommunication infra-structure for Aeronautical Services complies with the ICAO Standards, at least, when once it passes through the national boundaries. The ICAO Standards do not stop at defining the Telecommunications Protocols, Addressing and Management, but also define content in the form of Types of Messages, Standard Message Identifiers and Content Structures, to ensure that a message from Nepal can be read and understood in Albania. The primary reason for the setting up of the AFTN was the passing of Messages between Air traffic Control Centres (operational messages, flight plans etc),Met Centres, Civil Aviation Departments (NOTAMS, etc), and as almost an afterthought Airline Operations Messages. Classic AFTN uses Store and Forward with the Message priority attached to an individual message to an extent defining its speed of delivery, plus the number of Switching centres between originator and addressees. (Threats to Human Life being the highest, down to administration messages). Addressing uses 4 Character ICAO Location Codes, plus function indicator (I could be wrong) and finally ICAO Three Character Organisation Indicator. For operational messages delivery would be a a small number of minutes. Although there are some differences (major ones in terms of Message Indicators and content), any article on Type B Messaging (SITA, ARINC, etc.) would provide the basic technical overview. Although there are probably some 50 Baud teletype circuits still attached to some local switching centres, most now use a variety of higher speed links. .I hope this answers the queries raised. See the ICAO, FANS, Eurocontrol, FAA Sites for more technical details. Out of interest I did a Vendor search and can up with an incredible number of companies offering AFTN Switches, Terminals and Software. BRgds DIH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 17:02:19 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: cellular industry contact sought A colleague writes, **** I am looking for a contact within the cellular industry that is knowledgeable about how cell phone calls and their ID (AN) is passed between a cell network and the PSTN. If you have any contacts that fit this description, I would appreciate receiving their name and number. Paul Langhorst **** Please reply to Paul directly, at planghorst1@earthlink.net. tia - Judith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer http://JudithOppenheimer.com http://ICBTollFreeNews.com 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 17:41:46 -0500 From: Addison Y Yeaman Subject: FS: Three Dialogic D/41D Voicemail boards I am selling three voicemail cards which may be of interest to the telecommunications community here. If posting this forsale message violates a newsgroup policy, let me know and I will cancel it. The cards are currently selling at 177.50 for all three. They are forsale on ebay at the following link: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1671589829 They were pulled out of a working university voicemail system and are guaranteed not to be DOA. If the purchaser lives in central Ohio, he or she can check the cards out before purchasing if they are the winning bidder. thanks much for your time. if you have any questions, dont hesitate to email me. Addison Yeaman - -- Addison Yeaman http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~yeamana/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 17:41:47 -0500 From: Addison Y Yeaman Subject: FS: Three D/41D Dialogic 4-port voicemail cards I have on ebay three D/41D dialogic 4-port voicemail cards that may be of interest to the general telecom community. The auction is currently at $177.51. If the winning bidder lives in Central Ohio, he or she can inspect the cards personally before final purchase. The ebay auction is: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1671589829 thank you for your time, Addison - -- Addison Yeaman http://eewww.eng.ohio-state.edu/~yeamana/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Dec 2001 23:43:48 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 3 Dec 2001 13:17:02 -0500, Loren Cahlander wrote: >If the OP wants a static IP, then why keep shooting the requirement >down. I have repeatedly asked what the added value is in that requirement. Steve Smith told us that DSL modem sessions were not stable and that dynamic IP addresses would often change. When I pressed him to back up this claim, he failed to do so. > Sometimes it is a comfort level issue. If he wants to pay extra >for a static IP, then he should be able to get a static IP. Of course people can spend money on whatever they want. AFAICT, the alleged "comfort" of a static IP address is largely an illusion. > We all know >by now what your preference is! No. I'm asking what the actual -- factual -- added value is for static IP. I haven't heard it yet. > That does not make his preference any >less valid. If that is the case, the actual advantage should be easy to state. > Why don't you just drop the issue? Do you have something material to add to the discussion? - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #315 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 5 Dec 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #316 Telecom Digest Wednesday, December 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 316 In this issue: Re: AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Nevada Bell History Mystery: C.D.O. Circuits Cable-Modem Users Can't Turn to FCC Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Dec 2001 07:39:42 -0500 From: "Phil McKerracher" Subject: Re: AFTN (Aeronautical Fixed Telecommunication Network) "Douglas I Holland" wrote in message news:96187079.0112031040.78e806c0@posting.google.com... > d_r_newcomb@my-deja.com (Donald Newcomb) wrote in message news:<94aaf905.0111271632.280e2205@posting.google.com>... > > I'm trying to locate general information about the AFTN (Aeronautical > > Fixed Telecommunication Network). So far I understand that it is a > > text-based messaging system (not unlike AUTODIN) which links avaition > > centers around the world. Some links are based on TCP/IP while others > > are X.25. > > > > My interests are primarily questions like: Who runs/coordinates the > > network? How are messages routed? How quickly are they delivered? How > > is the system used for emergency/SAR communications? Etc. I did answer this, but Blueyonder seems to have lost it - they're having terrible problems with their newsserver at the moment. I worked on the AFTN back in the 80s. As someone else has replied, it was run by ICAO. The links could be anything from carrier upwards - telex, HF radio, leased lines, whatever was available. Messages were routed through dedicated switches that parsed the text header and forwarded the message through fixed routes. There was lots of redundancy because an airport needs to know if a plane is on the way. There was a priority indicator for emergency messages I think, but there wasn't much queueing, messages had to be delivered almost in real time. I can't remember if there was a maximum delivery time, but it would only have been a few minutes if there was one. - -- Phil McKerracher www.mckerracher.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2001 10:11:01 -0500 From: Loren Cahlander Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Phil Earnhardt wrote: > On 3 Dec 2001 13:17:02 -0500, Loren Cahlander > wrote: > > >>If the OP wants a static IP, then why keep shooting the requirement >>down. >> > > I have repeatedly asked what the added value is in that requirement. > > Steve Smith told us that DSL modem sessions were not stable and that > dynamic IP addresses would often change. When I pressed him to back up > this claim, he failed to do so. > > >> Sometimes it is a comfort level issue. If he wants to pay extra >>for a static IP, then he should be able to get a static IP. >> > > Of course people can spend money on whatever they want. AFAICT, the > alleged "comfort" of a static IP address is largely an illusion. > Tell me why it is an illusion? Give me a strong (bullet-proof) case for dynamic IP. > >> We all know >>by now what your preference is! >> > > No. I'm asking what the actual -- factual -- added value is for static > IP. I haven't heard it yet. > > >> That does not make his preference any >>less valid. >> > > If that is the case, the actual advantage should be easy to state. > I said PREFERENCE, not advantage! There is a big difference between those two words. There may be no actual advantage, except for the fact that the static IP eliminates a step. If you have to send a request from your dynamic IP machine to another site before that machine can be reached, then there can be problems. What happens when you are at your office and something causes the DHCP device to reset (power outage, sun spots, whatever)? Your home machine would then be unreachable. > >> Why don't you just drop the issue? >> > > Do you have something material to add to the discussion? > Do you have something material to add, or do you just like arguing against static IPs? > --phil > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Dec 2001 10:28:53 -0500 From: tom@privateline.com (Tom Farley) Subject: Nevada Bell History Mystery: C.D.O. Circuits Can anyone help me figure out how certain community dial office trunk lines were arranged? I recently bought two ringer boxes, or hand powered magnetos, that were used in an emergency by certain Nevada Bell C.D.O.s to signal their toll offices. I have diagrams of all these configurations, developed from the original 1954 paperwork, at my website. The first page is here: http://www.privateline.com/ringer/pageone.htm Since I love Nevada I've also included maps to show you the far-flung communities these C.D.O.s and toll offices served. Thanks in advance for any help you might offer; it will help preserve a part of Nevada Bell history. Tom Farley http://www.privateline.com/http://www.telecomwriting.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 02:03:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cable-Modem Users Can't Turn to FCC Cable-Modem Users Can't Turn to FCC By Jonathan Krim Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, December 4, 2001; Page E01 For the hundreds of thousands of cable-modem users who lost their Internet and e-mail services this past weekend, and for the millions who still might, there is a stark reality: No government agency can help. High-speed Internet access is now as important to many small businesses as electric power and telephone service. Yet unlike those utilities, cable-modem service is not regulated by the government, even by those agencies that oversee Internet access provided by telephone lines. One of the new technologies developed in recent years to connect people to the wired world, Internet access via cable modem fell through a regulatory crevice. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A52176-2001Dec3.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 03:08:07 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On 4 Dec 2001 10:11:01 -0500, Loren Cahlander wrote: >> Of course people can spend money on whatever they want. AFAICT, the >> alleged "comfort" of a static IP address is largely an illusion. > >Tell me why it is an illusion? Because, for someone wanting personal access to their home resources, nobody has demonstrated an advantage to having a static IP address. > Give me a strong (bullet-proof) case for dynamic IP. You've got it backwards. You need to demonstrate how someone wanting personal access to their home resources through their DSL modem can do with a static IP address that they can't do with a dynamic one. >> If that is the case, the actual advantage should be easy to state. > >I said PREFERENCE, not advantage! Then what is the basis for your preference? Or is your preference simply dogmatic? Can you state a single demonstrable advantage for one having a static IP address? >There may be no actual advantage, except for the fact >that the static IP eliminates a step. If you have to send a request >from your dynamic IP machine to another site before that machine can be >reached, then there can be problems. I don't know what this means. What problems? Can you explain why you think that a DSL modem's dynamic IP address would be unstable? > What happens when you are at your >office and something causes the DHCP device to reset You must have missed that part of the discussion. If you think this is a problem, I recommended having a daemon on your home machine that polled for the IP address. If a change is detected, the IP address is uploaded to a well-known location on the Internet. Now, AFAICT, this is a non-problem. DSL modems don't spontaneously reset themselves. >(power outage, If you have a problem with power outages, you could put the modem on a UPS. Only a small UPS would be needed to give comprehensive backup to the modem. And, if you have a multi-hour outage, you won't be able to get to any of your computers anyhow. > sun spots Solar activity would generally affect the power. See above. >, whatever)? Don't know. If you really feel uncertain about the hypothetical, then implement the daemon. It's very simple... >>> Why don't you just drop the issue? >> >> Do you have something material to add to the discussion? > >Do you have something material to add, or do you just like arguing >against static IPs? Given the stability of dynamic IP addresses with DSL, I'm trying to understand why people would pay more for a static address for personal access to their home resources. At this point, is sounds like a dogmatic preference. - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #316 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 6 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #317 Telecom Digest Thursday, December 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 317 In this issue: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP WTB used Comverse Trilogue INfinity Moronic Spammer with a toll free number Re: ExciteAtHome May Stop Service .NET or whatever..... Re: phone key pad survey Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Re: SS7 and SMS? Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Estimate of inflation in telecom services? Stop H1B Programmers Flooding America!!! Heres How... Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights Cable partners replace @Home with ease Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Dec 2001 06:34:14 -0500 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Sometimes there *is* a need for a status address. Granted it is not often, but occasionally there is. For example, if one is trying to set up a Web server on the Internet, it is the way to go. That happens to be the case for me. There is a way around it. You can use a DNS service called TZO.COM that tracks your IP address each time you come up and immediately changes the target IP for your domain name(s). As it is about sixty dollars per year, it is not bad. I've heard a good report about it from a business associate of my brother. You install a program or script on your Webserver (depending on which OS you are running). That is what transmits the IP address to them each time they come up. However, this is not a viable option for me. I have about five domain names that I ultimately want to relocate to that server. The other obstacle is that though I live in Northern Virginia, DSL or cable modem is not available to me at this time. Fred Atkinson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 09:26:24 -0500 From: chasatline@att.net (Charles McNeil) Subject: WTB used Comverse Trilogue INfinity I want to buy a used ComverseTrilogue INfinity system Please call Charlie Mcneil 1-978-689-8760 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 10:15:21 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Moronic Spammer with a toll free number NCI Marketing has been e-mail spamming me for days. They say that the messages are not for anyone in California. I have taken measures to block them, but they have new ways to get through each time. Please call the number of their latest advertertiser and let them know you are not happy with the way they advertise and with whom. Also help your local pay telephone owner by using his service. ALL SPAMMERS MUST DIE TODAY!!!!!!! In just 2 days, our customers have experienced: - -- Dramatic weight loss of up to 10 pounds or more! - -- A decrease in craving for "killer foods" - -- Natural detox: a vacation for body, mind and spirit - -- A boost of natural energy Call now to find out how you can receive your FREE product today! 1-800-576-0236 Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 10:23:49 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: Re: ExciteAtHome May Stop Service "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v0422080fb82aa3ffdbf0@[206.34.215.13]... > ExciteAtHome May Stop Service > Wired News Report > 9:25 a.m. Nov. 27, 2001 PST > > Bankrupt cable Internet access provider ExciteAtHome said Tuesday it > could cease providing service to its 4.1 million U.S. customers on > Nov. 30 if it cannot renegotiate agreements with the cable companies > that carry its service. But if that happens where will all the spammers and hackers go? Steve at SELLCOM - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 10:37:48 -0500 From: "Sellcom tech support" Subject: .NET or whatever..... Let's see if the rabble rousers are still hanging around telecom..... We have used a service "bcenteral" (microsoft for those in Rio Linda) for quite some time to advertise our URLs. It is a reasonably priced paid service where you pay to "buy" URLs and then pay by the month to keep it open. Then it submits your URLs to search engines in a proper "non spam" methodology. Recently, they locked us out insisting that we subscribe to some broad type "NET" logon that will make our email addy and password access other services as well. There is a lengthy TOS agreement and I decided I don't want this. I emailed them that if they are not going to allow me access to the service I have been paying for, and am current on, that I want ALL the money back that I used to purchace URLs on their service. Since this appears to be a rather blatant breach on their part, I cced the doj Can they lock someone out of a current paid service because the person does not want to agree to a new TOS to obtain additional services that the customer doesn't want. Steve at SELLCOM - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 13:18:28 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: phone key pad survey Last night, on Capitol Beat, Joseph Singer said: > Most countries in the world never used letters associated with > numbers. In North America the original dials I believe had 1, 2 ABC, > 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY and 0 z (sometimes Q.) > > Presently it's 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PQRS, 8 TUV, 9 > WXYZ, 0 (blank.) > > When they had numbers and letters on UK dials it was 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, > 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MN, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY, 0 O (the letter) Older US dials put the Q and Z (and the space) on either the 1 key or the 0 key; I believe Nortel used the former. Cheers, - - jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 13:47:27 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Last night, on Capitol Beat, Phil Earnhardt said: > Because, for someone wanting personal access to their home resources, > nobody has demonstrated an advantage to having a static IP address. > > > Give me a strong (bullet-proof) case for dynamic IP. > > You've got it backwards. You need to demonstrate how someone wanting > personal access to their home resources through their DSL modem can do > with a static IP address that they can't do with a dynamic one. Be able to get that access without the support of any external services or servers. Next question? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 14:25:31 -0500 From: bdutta@hotmail.com (Banibrata Dutta) Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? well, the answer is a little involved. the CO/LEC analyses the digits you dial. if you dial 240-632-8595 the CO actually analyses the some of the initial digits (mostly) or all the 10 digits (if it needs to). once first 3 digits are collected, the program that is processing your call, halts and asks another program (or network node, an SCP/Adjunct) "how do i process this call?". well it need not do so for every call (else the cost of processing million calls would be too much). it does some kind of pattern matching for special codes, s.a. 911. if it's not 911 and one of the other special codes s.a. 1-800 or 1-877 or 1-888 the CO/LEC knows it needs "special handling", and asks the Adjunct/SCP to do it's bit. BDutta. - --- "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote in message news:... > Last night, on Capitol Beat, Terry Knab said: > > 911 is in a strange breed of phone numbers. Its *required* as is 711 to > > only be a 3 digit call, iirc. So, why should you have to dial 6 digits for > > 911/711? > > That's cause it's *not* a "number". > > It's a Special Service Code (I think is the proper terminology). > > It's not an *address*, it's a *dialling pattern*, translated by the CO > into the routing number for the PSAP in question. > > Cheers, > - jra > -- > Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com > Member of the Technical Staff Baylink > The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think > Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 > > Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. > -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 14:37:04 -0500 From: bdutta@hotmail.com (Banibrata Dutta) Subject: Re: SS7 and SMS? Go to ETSI's website and into their Electronic Document Library. www.etsi.org you can freely download copies of the GSM/MAP standard for your personal use. B.Dutta. - --- Chris Kantarjiev wrote in message news:<200111202038.fAKKcf203480@bosphorus.dimebank.com>... > Can someone please point me to a text or publicly (web?) available > document that describes how SMS messages are exchanged over SS7? > All the SS7 books that I've found are geared towards the > voice world. I've found some hints about the MAP protocol set, > but not many details. > > Thanks, > chris - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 17:31:54 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? On 5 Dec 2001 14:25:31 -0500, bdutta@hotmail.com (Banibrata Dutta) wrote: >well, the answer is a little involved. the CO/LEC analyses the digits >you dial. if you dial 240-632-8595 the CO actually analyses the some >of the initial digits (mostly) or all the 10 digits (if it needs to). >once first 3 digits are collected, the program that is processing your >call, halts and asks another program (or network node, an SCP/Adjunct) >"how do i process this call?". well it need not do so for every call >(else the cost of processing million calls would be too much). it does >some kind of pattern matching for special codes, s.a. 911. if it's not >911 and one of the other special codes s.a. 1-800 or 1-877 or 1-888 >the CO/LEC knows it needs "special handling", and asks the Adjunct/SCP >to do it's bit. Not to be mean but....WHY DON'T YOU JUST TRY IT????????? In my corner of the universe the AC and 911 get's me 911. Carl Navarro - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 18:23:03 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Estimate of inflation in telecom services? Ladies and gentlemen: I serve on the board of a local nonprofit and wish to obtain, for budget estimate purposes, some kind of estimate of likely inflation/deflation in line and equipment charges, annualized, over the next two years. What do you think.... will telecom line, service and equipment charges keep pace with projected inflation, grow faster, grow slower or even shrink? Polish your crystal balls, pull your 8-Ball out of your desk and weigh in! Thank you in advance for your thoughtful and on-topic responses. Line charges.......... Service changes....... Equipment charges..... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 19:07:03 -0500 From: sweng999@hotmail.com Subject: Stop H1B Programmers Flooding America!!! Heres How... I am forwarding this message from Public Citizen to make you aware of legislation that is being voted on this week in Congress. The "Fast Track" trade authority would grand broad powers to the president and allowing him to bypass the Congress in matters of imports INCLUDING LABOR. The high-tech industry is pushing this so that the president can grand h-1b like admissions which will mean they will not have to go to Congress every two years to ask for another H-1B expansion. I urge you to contact your congressman and tell him you oppose this legislation. The attached message includes a toll-free telephone number you can use. john miano chairman, the programmers guild Subject: The next 48 hours decides Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:24:31 -0500 From: "Timi Gerson" whether we win or loose on Fast Track. The debate & vote is on the calendar for Thursday. We have all been working incredibly hard these past months, and for week after week we have denied them the ability to bring up Fast Track. The GOP leadership realizes that the moment of peril has arrived and that it is now or never for their corporate agenda. Aligned with the high-tech lobby (see article below) and the rest of the big bizness coalition, they are spending these last few days going after every undecided Member and trying to swing her/him over to their side. So far they do not have the votes and they know it. We have been extremely effective in locking Representatives down against Fast Track and keeping them that way - they have received hundreds of calls their constituents urging them to stand up for working families, the environment and our family farmers, and they know that their voters will remember come November. Despite all of this though: we have all witnessed before how Members will trade their vote for a bridge or a highway, or for promises of large campaign contributions. We can not let out victory slip away! Winning on Fast Track means forever changing how trade agreements get negotiated and it will be a devastating blow to the expansion of NAFTA to 31 more countries throughout the Hemisphere (FTAA), as well as to the WTO negotiations. TODAY IS NATIONAL ALL CALL DAY AGAINST FAST TRACK -- Call your Representative and urge her/him to oppose H.R. 3005 (ask to speak with the person who handles trade issues). Get your friends to do the same. Our allies at the AFL-CIO have conveniently provided a toll-free number for you to use: 1-800-393-1082 (OR you can use our favorite number, provided courtesy of the Chamber of Commerce: 1-888-832-4246) - just enter your zip-code when prompted and you'll be connected to your Member's office. Let us know what you hear from their office. By holding your Member accountable to YOU, her/his voter, we will win. Call again tomorrow, Thursday and until we have killed this thing once and for all! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Dec 2001 22:31:35 -0500 From: "David De Trolio" Subject: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights I have been a user of Avaya/Lucent equipment for several years now, and I have to admit their products have been solid and reliable during that period. I have a Definity G3i which is running 9.5.2 and we at my company have taken Voice Over IP beyond what Avaya thought their equipment could do. But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. We have spent numerous months trying to get service contracts completed for a few of our nodes. Thanks to "buyout" packages, the closing of the EXCELLENT Customer Care Facility in Parsippany, New Jersey, and constant changing of software and personnel, we are left waiting for the paperwork flow to be completed and hope nothing happens of importance to those switches. We have tried working with them on their R300 unit in our smaller offices. Here is an example of a piece of equipment which looks GREAT on paper, but in application in the real word it meant only failure. We have increased bandwidth to this thing, we have had so many software revisions done to it the interface to the unit displays it to be an engineering version. We have been a great lab for this thing, and perhaps it works in SMALL areas with LIMITED usage and OVER size bandwidth, but for our purposes it will be removed and replaced with one of Avaya's designs which does work, the ProLogix. There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. It was none of this "well sir, I can tell you how to do it, but I have to bill you $85.00" or refusing to help me because the switch was installed by a VAR (who was brought to us BY Avaya) and reading me a list of charges. We will use Avaya equipment as we build our VoIP network. But we have to take smaller steps and spend more money in this tight IT budget period because of their inability to manage and instruct the people now working within Avaya. The company chose to offer "buyout" packages to their employees, do you think maybe they could have offered them better pay and kept some of them to train newer people or to work flex hours? Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package given to them and be gone in a week! Avaya people read these groups, that much information I have learned. So Ladies and Gentlemen of Avaya, I am not a happy customer, and neither is the VAR I am working with. Do something which was always the hallmark of American business.....make the customer happy, and do it soon please. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 00:57:44 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Cable partners replace @Home with ease C|NET News December 5, 2001 Cable partners replace @Home with ease - -------------------------------------- by John Borland, Staff Writer It wasn't supposed to end this way. Scores of Net companies have collapsed in the past year, but Excite@Home was different. Rather than trying to sell bags of dog food online or creating content that appealed to a niche audience and even fewer advertisers, the Silicon Valley company had real assets: a high-speed network that generated monthly revenue from more than 4 million subscribers. To be sure, the company was hobbled by the money-hemorrhaging portal side of the business, but the network was real and impervious to competition. Right? Wrong. In the space of a few months, the value of Excite@Home, the world's largest high-speed Internet network, evaporated as the company misjudged the ease with which its cable partners could replicate its highly touted network. Facing bankruptcy and dissolution, the cable Internet provider has seen its one-time cable partners all but abandon it, deciding to build their own networks instead of rescuing Excite@Home. In the most painful blow, controlling partner AT&T said it would move all of its 850,000 subscribers to a new network, constructed at breakneck speed, instead of buying Excite@Home's network. Within hours of the announcement, Excite@Home declared it would cease operations in February. The shutdown is quite a turnaround from just a few weeks ago when the company -- emboldened by its creditors -- played hardball with AT&T on the theory that its network was worth a good $700 million more than Ma Bell was offering. "Excite@Home's biggest mistake was believing that none of its partners could migrate to another network quickly," said one Wall Street analyst. "AT&T called their bluff." To the surprise of even many inside the industry, calling that bluff took just a few weeks, as AT&T proved able to link its own data centers, network operations centers and cable lines into a data network that could substitute quickly for Excite@Home's own systems. To investors and longtime supporters of the once high-flying Silicon Valley company, the Excite@Home meltdown has been bewildering. Many have even accused AT&T of deliberately devaluing the company. After all, unlike the legion of defunct dot-coms, Excite@Home actually owned a network, and received about $15 per month from some 4 million subscribers, they note. But the company's dizzying fall from grace and the cable companies' decision to create their own networks almost overnight shows just how tenuous the battered company's grip on life was as its big cable partners quietly learned the Internet business for themselves. When @Home started, "cable was an industry that was only capable of delivering one-way broadcast video," said Cynthia Brumfield, principal analyst for analyst group Broadband Intelligence. "Over the course of the last few years, bringing in (Internet technology) engineers has been a big priority for the cable industry." The result? It's now taking the big cable companies just a few months to replicate what Excite@Home spent years building. It's too soon to say whether their own efforts will function smoothly, but it's clear that Excite@Home's partners viewed their sidekick as expendable. What's a network, anyway? Excite@Home's difficulties have always rested on the fact that much of its own "network" -- indeed, the hardest pieces to re-create -- were in fact made up largely of the cable companies' property. A high-speed cable network piggybacks on top of the same network that a company like AT&T Broadband or Comcast uses to send video HBO or ESPN signals to subscribers' homes. At the very end of the network is the cable modem, which reads the data traffic sent over the network and translates it into a form that PCs can understand. These modems have generally been owned by the cable companies themselves, which lease them to subscribers. Excite@Home simply certifies that they will work with the network. The "last mile" connection between the customer's house and the first layer of serious data-routing machines is simply the regular cable network, upgraded to handle two-way data traffic. This too has been owned by the cable companies, not Excite@Home. Farther up the line, the Silicon Valley company actually did own equipment. In many local cable "headends" -- the centers where the local cable wires are connected to high-capacity fiber-optic cables -- Excite@Home often placed servers that would store local versions of popular content, such as Yahoo or CNN Web pages, as well as data routers and switches that served a traffic-cop role, telling data where to go. In many areas this equipment was located instead in a regional data center, a little like the massive hosting facilities maintained by Exodus Communications and others. Excite@Home has 25 of these centers in North America, which also host the e-mail servers, news servers and domain name servers that provide basic Internet services for subscribers. >From these headends and data centers, data would travel across a high-speed local telephone link, or a network owned by one of the cable companies, on its way to the Internet. For carrying data over long distances, Excite@Home used a private AT&T network "backbone," which minimized the traffic jams that often snarl ordinary Internet traffic. When Excite@Home began work in 1996, this kind of network was brand new. @Home's chief technology guru Milo Medin was touted as one of the few recognized experts in this area, helping to create the service on top of cable company networks that hadn't been built for data. But the cable companies never had a comfortable relationship with the technology upstart, and relations grew more and more strained as Excite@Home's market value skyrocketed -- even though much of the company's network belonged to the cable companies themselves. But until recently, the technical know-how to put together a competing network wasn't widespread enough to warrant creating a competitor. In addition, the companies' original contracts locked them into using Excite@Home service until June 2002. All of that changed this year when Excite@Home's financial condition worsened and bankruptcy looked likely. The cable companies examined their options and found that creating their own networks wasn't so hard anymore. Growing a network overnight That's not to say that it's cheap or easy to replicate what took Excite@Home years to build. AT&T maintains that it would rather have paid the $307 million of its original bid than create a new version by itself. Cox says it will create its own for between $100 million and $150 million. Excite@Home invested tens of millions of dollars in its network each year as customer growth accelerated. Technology advances have also seen it swap out early components for new equipment. Last year, the company spent about $290 million on ongoing operations, about two-thirds of which was dedicated to network maintenance, connection costs, network equipment and customer service for subscribers. That figure has grown fairly steadily from 1997, when the company spent $22.5 million on operations. At the time of its initial public offering in mid-1997, @Home said it had spent about $57 million on capital and operating expenses. That was for a very different environment, however. The company had just 5,000 subscribers, making it a hundred times smaller than what AT&T Broadband, Cox and Comcast have today. But the cable companies aren't starting from scratch the way Excite@Home did. AT&T Broadband is in the best position. It already has a network of regional data centers it uses for Web hosting. It has network operations centers it uses to monitor telephone and video traffic on the cable network. It owns its own cable and backbone connections. The company has spent the last several months linking those assets into a network that can function much like Excite@Home's. That has meant adding data traffic routers and switches into the cable "head ends" and into its own data centers, installing e-mail and domain name servers around the network, obtaining rights to the Internet addresses that will identify its subscribers' computers, and retooling its video network command center to be able to also monitor the flow of data. It has helped considerably that parent company AT&T is in the business of creating networks, data or otherwise, the company said. "They do this on a daily basis for external clients," said Sarah Eder, an AT&T spokeswoman. "We're an internal client." She declined to say how much the company was spending, or exactly what type of components had to be purchased. About 80 percent of AT&T's customers have already been moved to the new network, and the rest are expected to move over by Friday. Why, then, did AT&T bid $307 million for Excite@Home's assets in the first place, if a new network could be re-created in the space of a few weeks or months? Eder says the agreement still would have been the company's "first choice," had Excite@Home not turned off service to AT&T subscribers last week. The company could quickly have made up that $307 million, even as it built its own parallel network. The agreement would have included equipment that covered Cox and Comcast's territory. Those companies, which are farther behind in building their own networks, are each paying Excite@Home $160 million for the next three months of service. That's a recent development, but it is a sign that AT&T could have made back much of its outlay in a short period of time. A Cox spokeswoman said that technology advances and the spread of know-how has simply made it easy to build a network that might even be more stable than Excite@Home's, which was plagued with e-mail and connectivity problems throughout its life. Cox's expenditure "will be enough to deliver service we think will be comparable or better," said Cox spokeswoman Susan Leepson. "Equipment is so much more advanced, and so much cheaper now." Analysts say the speed with which the cable networks are re-creating Excite@Home's network is likely to have some nasty side effects. Speedy engineering often leads to "some things that aren't the most efficient," Brumfield noted. In the end, it was the technology itself that overtook Excite@Home, making its network role as middleman less important, and less hard to replicate. "The cable companies already own their own networks," Brumfield said. "What @Home brought to the table was really just an ISP." - 0 - - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 06:05:18 -0500 From: otho@online.no (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ole-Bj=F8rn_Aaltvedt?=) Subject: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights I'm working for a BP of Avaya, and we are experiencing some of the same problems as you do. Delivery-errors and late deliveries. DOA's that take for ever to get returned. Non support, and I can go on, and on and on and on. I'm behind you on your request to Avaya. Please do something now. "David De Trolio" wrote in message news:... > I have been a user of Avaya/Lucent equipment for several years now, and I > have to admit their products have been solid and reliable during that > period. I have a Definity G3i which is running 9.5.2 and we at my company > have taken Voice Over IP beyond what Avaya thought their equipment could do. > > But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer > questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. > > We have spent numerous months trying to get service contracts completed for > a few of our nodes. Thanks to "buyout" packages, the closing of the > EXCELLENT Customer Care Facility in Parsippany, New Jersey, and constant > changing of software and personnel, we are left waiting for the paperwork > flow to be completed and hope nothing happens of importance to those > switches. > > We have tried working with them on their R300 unit in our smaller offices. > Here is an example of a piece of equipment which looks GREAT on > paper, but in application in the real word it meant only failure. We have > increased bandwidth to this thing, we have had so many software revisions > done to it the interface to the unit displays it to be an engineering > version. We have been a great lab for this thing, and perhaps it works in > SMALL areas with LIMITED usage and OVER size bandwidth, but for our purposes > it will be removed and replaced with one of Avaya's designs which does work, > the ProLogix. > > There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and > speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. > > It was none of this "well sir, I can tell you how to do it, but I have to > bill you $85.00" or refusing to help me because the switch was installed by > a VAR > (who was brought to us BY Avaya) and reading me a list of charges. > > We will use Avaya equipment as we build our VoIP network. But we have to > take smaller steps and spend more money in this tight IT budget period > because of their inability to manage and instruct the people now working > within Avaya. The company chose to offer "buyout" packages to their > employees, do you think maybe they could have offered them better pay and > kept some of them to train newer people or to work flex hours? > > Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure > anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or > whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will > not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package > given to them and be gone in a week! > > Avaya people read these groups, that much information I have learned. > > So Ladies and Gentlemen of Avaya, I am not a happy customer, and neither is > the VAR I am working with. > > Do something which was always the hallmark of American business.....make the > customer happy, and do it soon please. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #317 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 7 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #318 Telecom Digest Friday, December 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 318 In this issue: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? REVIEW: "Designing a Wireless Network", Jeffrey Wheat et al Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Dec 2001 11:17:50 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Last night, on Capitol Beat, Carl Navarro said: > Not to be mean but....WHY DON'T YOU JUST TRY IT????????? Because, notwithstanding my comment to whatshisname that he was overreacting, it really *isn't* a good idea to make gratuitous calls to 911 without coordination. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 11:50:14 -0500 From: "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" Subject: REVIEW: "Designing a Wireless Network", Jeffrey Wheat et al BKDSWLNT.RVW 20011013 "Designing a Wireless Network", Jeffrey Wheat et al, 2001, 1-928994-45-8, U$49.95/C$77.95 %A Jeffrey Wheat et al %C 800 Hingham Street, Rockland, MA 02370 %D 2001 %G 1-928994-45-8 %I Syngress Media, Inc. %O U$49.95/C$77.95 781-681-5151 fax: 781-681-3585 amy@syngress.com %P 379 p. %T "Designing a Wireless Network" Designing a wireless network would seem to be a rather larger topic. What kind of network? How large? For what type of applications? For what audience, environment or market? Going by the case studies provided, this book is intended to address those designing local area networks: perhaps extending to other buildings, but not crossing public roads. Chapter one is a brief history of communications and computing, with some very questionable facts. The physical and engineering characteristics of radio signals given in chapter two are clearly explained, but the details aren't sufficient for antenna siting engineers, and aren't really of practical use for other people. Again, there is a lucid exegesis of TCP/IP and the OSI layering model, but limited applicability to wireless networks, in chapter three. Chapter four could use some of the previous clarity and information: the material dealing with the various applications and standards involved in an assortment of wireless systems is terse and poorly structured. The process of design is covered in chapter five, but only in a vague way and at a high level. More details of planning are given in the case studies in chapters six through nine--but not many. Security, traffic analysis, and antenna siting are touched on, but only in a very superficial way. Security tends to be dismissed as covered, traffic analysis seems limited to the number of terminals in existence, and radio footprints often overlap, sometimes to a ridiculous extent. (One example uses five antennae where one would probably be sufficient.) The home office case study has a good discussion of interference sources, but bogs down in a section detailing the connection of Windows to the Internet. As noted, some of the explanations are very good--but they aren't explanations of wireless technology. The design process outline and the case studies do point out aspects or wireless networks that should be addressed--but they don't provide information about how to address them. This book is a good overview of the factors involved in designing a wireless network--but it doesn't give you the information you need to come up with the design. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2001 BKDSWLNT.RVW 20011013 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Photons have mass? I didn't even know they were Catholic! http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 14:57:20 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? On 6 Dec 2001 11:17:50 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Carl Navarro said: >> Not to be mean but....WHY DON'T YOU JUST TRY IT????????? > >Because, notwithstanding my comment to whatshisname that he was >overreacting, it really *isn't* a good idea to make gratuitous calls to >911 without coordination. Let me see...yep but if you tell the 911 dispatcher that you're testing they don't mind. In fact most of the time they will ask you to verify the location you're testing. Of course the funny thing was when I tested 711. For some unknown reason they translated 711 to 911 and the dispatcher said they had to send out a sheriff's deputy just to check. Go figure. Oh yeah, maybe the other part of this is that I installed and maintained our county's 911 system for about 7 years. Carl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 20:06:41 -0500 From: jdearing@netaxs.com (John Dearing) Subject: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights David De Trolio (david.de.trolio@home.com) wrote: - -=[ deletia ]=- : But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer : questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. - -=[ a little more deletia ]=- : There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and : speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. - -=[ finally some more deletia ]=- : Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure : anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or : whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will : not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package : given to them and be gone in a week! /opinion mode on/ Over the next few decades there will be written scores of articles and theses on basically the topic of: "What the f*** were the Idiots at AT&T thinking back then?" It will become a textbook case of how to take a beloved Name Brand with unparalled name recognition and good will and absolutely run the whole shebang right into the ground. All the while, collecting big stock options and obscene bonuses for the top brass. Doesn't the expression "arranging deck chairs on the Titanic" somehow seem appropriate here? /opinion mode off/ There, I feel better! John - -- John Dearing : Phila Area Computer Society http://www.pacsnet.org Email : jdearing "at" netaxs "dot" com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Dec 2001 20:48:22 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: ten digit dialing: if someone dials 201-911 would it go thru? Last night, on Capitol Beat, Carl Navarro said: > On 6 Dec 2001 11:17:50 -0500, "Jay R. Ashworth" > wrote: > >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Carl Navarro said: > >> Not to be mean but....WHY DON'T YOU JUST TRY IT????????? > > > >Because, notwithstanding my comment to whatshisname that he was > >overreacting, it really *isn't* a good idea to make gratuitous calls to > >911 without coordination. > > Let me see...yep but if you tell the 911 dispatcher that you're > testing they don't mind. In fact most of the time they will ask you > to verify the location you're testing. > > Of course the funny thing was when I tested 711. For some unknown > reason they translated 711 to 911 and the dispatcher said they had to > send out a sheriff's deputy just to check. Go figure. > > Oh yeah, maybe the other part of this is that I installed and > maintained our county's 911 system for about 7 years. I did say "without coordination", right? I wouldn't presume that just *any* given PSAP would tolerate that well, since I have anecdotal evidence that some don't. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #318 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 8 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #319 Telecom Digest Saturday, December 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 319 In this issue: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Call for Papers: Mobile Computing and Communications Review (MC2R) MCI talk n' toss Glitch hits Verizon customers in NYC Re: phone key pad survey Lockheed to exit telecom services AT&T says it has completed shift of broadband subscribers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Dec 2001 06:33:59 -0500 From: ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >>intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >>conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" > It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly > if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. Which probably explains why people talking on cellphones in public sound so obnoxious. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 14:01:55 -0500 From: "MC2R" Subject: Call for Papers: Mobile Computing and Communications Review (MC2R) Call for Papers Mobile Computing and Communications Review (MC2R) The official publication of ACM SIGMOBILE PUBLICATION PURPOSE - -------------------- The explosive growth of wide-area cellular systems and local-area wireless networks and the emergence of home area radio networks and personal area body networks are just the beginning of "the wireless revolution". The ultimate goal - uncompromised connectivity and performance for mobile computing devices - requires that we meet the challenge of creating fully integrated, seamless, fault-tolerant and heterogeneous networks composed of fully distributed, energy efficient, and ubiquitous mobile computing platforms. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 18:34:22 -0500 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: MCI talk n' toss I just ran across a weird problem with an MCI calling card. This is one of those standard talk n' toss cards where you dial an 800-number and a PIN, offered at Costco at the rate of about 5.8 cents per minute. With this card, you can dial # # after you are done with a call, and it announces the balance of minutes you have left and lets you make the next call. This is nice, since if you are calling from a payphone you don't have to hang up and dial the 800 number again, meaning you don't incur another 800 number payphone access charge. But today I ran across a problem. MCI no longer requires the digits # # to reset for the next call. If it detects ANY DTMF after the call is in progress, it might reset. Today I discovered this when I tried to check my Qwest voice mail. I called the number, started entering my access code and PIN, and suddenly heard the announcement telling me my balance and instructing me to dial 1 before the area code for domestic calls. So I dialed the access number again, started dialing the code when prompted, and the same thing happened. This also happens if you are calling a number where the subscriber has that feature for blocking telemarketers. This is because MCI doesn't just block Caller ID (some talk n toss calling cards actually deliver the Caller ID of the phone you are calling from, even though you are dialing through their system), the calls show up as Unavailable on Caller ID. Since this is an indication that the caller might be a telemarketer, the caller is instructed to hang up unless he is not a telemarketer, and then enter his area code and telephone number for presentation to the called party. When I do this, I am cut off, so there is no way to actually reach a subscriber who has this feature! I called MCI calling card customer service, and the woman stayed on the line with me as I demonstrated the problem. Then she told me yes, it was resetting because I was dialing digits. "But it isn't supposed to do that until I hit # # !" I said. "But some people forget to do that", she countered. "But how do I check my voice mail or do any other thing that requires a PIN from my hotel room?" I said. "Just dial the call on your hotel room phone", she said. "But if I wanted to do that, why would I be using an MCI calling card?" I said. She told me that the calling card was only for voice calls. "But checking my VOICE mail IS a VOICE CALL!" I countered. "I'm sorry sir", she said. She then suggested that I get a cellphone! Did MCI recently add this "feature" to their "service", making the # # optional for indicating end of call? Or has it always been this way? Tad Cook Seattle, WA reply to: TAD AT RCIA DOT COM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 18:35:03 -0500 From: "Cole T. Kracke" Subject: Glitch hits Verizon customers in NYC Glitch hits Verizon customers in NYC By Reuters December 7, 2001, 11:40 a.m. PT Thousands of Verizon telephone subscribers in New York City lost saved voice-mail messages because of a software glitch, a company representative said Friday. As many as 50,000 phone lines with add-on voice-mail service--about 10 percent of all Verizon voice-mail boxes in the city--were affected Thursday, spokesman Jim Smith said. Verizon on Thursday informed voice-mail subscribers of the problem, which also deleted outgoing messages, Smith said. Residential customers pay about $6 a month for the voice-mail service, which works like a standard telephone answering machine. Verizon also offers the service to business customers. Story Copyright © 2001 Reuters Limited . All rights reserved. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 20:57:15 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: phone key pad survey If you have access to the old "Bell System Technical Journal" (the blue covered ~9" x 6" monthly from the old Bell Labs) from sometime back in the 1950s there is an interesting article describing how the Bell Labs people arrived at the present day standard for dialpad layout in the United States. The article described the "human factors" engineering and user studies and trials that went into the new product. The Multnomah County, Oregon library association used to have issues of this periodical dating into the early '50s at least. Drive down some nice weekend and check it out! Al Joseph Singer wrote in message news:jmcn0u42no1oe5qpc0se9bl7htbgk89a6u@4ax.com... > On 3 Dec 2001 02:08:14 -0500, Helmut Hissen > wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I am looking for info on distribution of key pads around the world. who > > > >is using what keypad; when did they start using some other key pad, > >etc. Things in north america are relatively straight forward... there > >are only three different ones for the most part, but what about the rest > > > >:-)of the world > > Most countries in the world never used letters associated with > numbers. In North America the original dials I believe had 1, 2 ABC, > 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY and 0 z (sometimes Q.) > > Presently it's 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MNO, 7 PQRS, 8 TUV, 9 > WXYZ, 0 (blank.) > > When they had numbers and letters on UK dials it was 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, > 4 GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MN, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY, 0 O (the letter) > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 23:28:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Lockheed to exit telecom services Lockheed to exit telecom services Firm to take huge charge, cut 650 jobs THE WALL STREET JOURNAL BETHESDA, Md., Dec. 7 - Lockheed Martin Corp. plans to exit from its Global Telecommunications business, a move the company expects will result in 650 job cuts and substantial fourth-quarter charges. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/669293.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Dec 2001 23:31:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T says it has completed shift of broadband subscribers AT&T says it has completed shift of broadband subscribers THE WALL STREET JOURNAL ENGLEWOOD, Colo., Dec. 7 - AT&T Corp.'s broadband unit said Friday it has completed the move of 850,000 former Excite At Home users to its new high-speed Internet network, less than one week after Excite cut off high-speed Internet service to the telecommunications giant. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/669242.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #319 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 9 Dec 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #320 Telecom Digest Sunday, December 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 320 In this issue: WorldCom DSL Cisco For Sale WorldCom VSAT Re: WorldCom VSAT Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Feedback (or Sidetone) in our conversations... Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Feedback (or Sidetone) in our conversations... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Dec 2001 14:43:09 -0500 From: "Peter Roberts" Subject: WorldCom DSL I have great news for many of you that are currently unhappy with Covad. WorldCom has purchased Rhythms as I am sure many of you know and we are now taking BUSINESS LINES only. If you are interested in our SDSL product please send me an email off-list and I will have a sales rep get back to you immediately. 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Sincerely, Peter Roberts, MAE Specializing in Strategic Sales to WorldCom Major Accounts 5000 Technology Dr. - St. Louis, MO 63304 TF Direct (866) 334-7282 Office:(636) 793-1186 Cell: (314) 566-6666 Pager (877) 538-3160 Fax: (636) 793-5734 V.Net 703.1186 Email my pager at 8775383160@worldcom.com WorldCom is Located in 65 countries and provides enterprises - small and global - with communications services that make doing business more efficient. *** Sign up to be a beta tester of our new VSAT Home Office or Enterprise by December 31, 2001 and receive free 2 months and install! **** Highest discounts in the industry on New CISCO hardware - 42% off until Dec. 31, 2001 w/ network purchase 40% w/out. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 14:43:09 -0500 From: "Peter Roberts" Subject: WorldCom VSAT WorldCom VSAT service is now accepting Beta Testers in the continental US. Please email me off list if you are interested in recieving two free months, free install and a month to month contract. Must sign up by Dec. 31, 2001 for install in March. Sincerely, Peter Roberts, MAE Specializing in Strategic Sales to WorldCom Major Accounts 5000 Technology Dr. - St. Louis, MO 63304 TF Direct (866) 334-7282 Office:(636) 793-1186 Cell: (314) 566-6666 Pager (877) 538-3160 Fax: (636) 793-5734 V.Net 703.1186 Email my pager at 8775383160@worldcom.com WorldCom is Located in 65 countries and provides enterprises - small and global - with communications services that make doing business more efficient. *** Sign up to be a beta tester of our new VSAT Home Office or Enterprise by December 31, 2001 and receive free 2 months and install! **** Highest discounts in the industry on New CISCO hardware - 42% off until Dec. 31, 2001 w/ network purchase 40% w/out. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 14:49:01 -0500 From: "Peter Roberts" Subject: Re: WorldCom VSAT WorldCom VSAT service is now accepting Beta Testers in the continental US. Please email me off list if you are interested in recieving two free months, free install and a month to month contract. Must sign up by Dec. 31, 2001 for install in March. Sincerely, Peter Roberts, MAE Specializing in Strategic Sales to WorldCom Major Accounts 5000 Technology Dr. - St. Louis, MO 63304 TF Direct (866) 334-7282 Office:(636) 793-1186 Cell: (314) 566-6666 Pager (877) 538-3160 Fax: (636) 793-5734 V.Net 703.1186 Email my pager at 8775383160@worldcom.com WorldCom is Located in 65 countries and provides enterprises - small and global - with communications services that make doing business more efficient. *** Sign up to be a beta tester of our new VSAT Home Office or Enterprise by December 31, 2001 and receive free 2 months and install! **** Highest discounts in the industry on New CISCO hardware - 42% off until Dec. 31, 2001 w/ network purchase 40% w/out. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 18:25:44 -0500 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) contributed the following: >Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >>> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >>>intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >>>conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" > >> It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly >> if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. > >Which probably explains why people talking on cellphones in public sound >so obnoxious. Maybe, but I'd say that's only part of the reason....... I believe that sidetone was a byproduct of the early phone systems being unable to achieve the correct impedance matching in the hybrid to eliminate it, so it seems we have been "trained" to expect it from the first time we have used a "normal" landline phone and behave poorly when we don't get it. We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice without it? - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 19:10:17 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Feedback (or Sidetone) in our conversations... (Refer to David's last paragraph where he said "We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation")] Well, David, I don't think that is exactly right. Frequently, people with hearing impairments talk louder than others. That's usually because they don't get the feedback that tells us our voice is at about the right volume level (and in a telephone that feedback is called sidetone). There's a guy in our office that displays this characteristic: In casual conversations or in conference rooms he talks as though he was addressing a large group in an outdoor setting. We used to tolerate it politely, but people are now asking him to quiet down a little. He needs to get his hearing aids checked/improved or something. Another person I know of has the same difficulty and the same loud talking habit. I don't know if a sample size of two makes for a conclusion but it's what I (and others in my department) have noticed. Al David Clayton wrote in message news:3q431u032gm5vs2jgcp3eqiajgi8a285n5@4ax.com... > ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) contributed the following: > > >Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: > >>> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is > >>>intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make > >>>conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" > > > >> It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly > >> if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. > > > >Which probably explains why people talking on cellphones in public sound > >so obnoxious. > > Maybe, but I'd say that's only part of the reason....... > > I believe that sidetone was a byproduct of the early phone systems being > unable to achieve the correct impedance matching in the hybrid to > eliminate it, so it seems we have been "trained" to expect it from the > first time we have used a "normal" landline phone and behave poorly when > we don't get it. > > We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we > need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice > without it? > - - > Regards, David. > > David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au > Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. > > Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Dec 2001 22:42:20 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound David Clayton: > We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation... We may not *need* it, but we *have* it; your voice reaches your ears by way of the air as well as conduction through your body. And people use that to regulate their speaking volume, which is why people with impaired hearing often get their volume wrong. Sidetone in a phone just eliminates the effect of your ear being covered by the phone. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto "Ken doesn't spell very well. Fortunately, msb@vex.net he has other virtues." -- Dennis Ritchie My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 01:27:26 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound David Clayton wrote: >ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) contributed the following: > >>Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >>>> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >>>>intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >>>>conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" >> >>> It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly >>> if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. >> >>Which probably explains why people talking on cellphones in public sound >>so obnoxious. > >Maybe, but I'd say that's only part of the reason....... > >I believe that sidetone was a byproduct of the early phone systems being >unable to achieve the correct impedance matching in the hybrid to >eliminate it, so it seems we have been "trained" to expect it from the >first time we have used a "normal" landline phone and behave poorly when >we don't get it. > >We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we >need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice >without it? >- - David. We do, we do, we do! to misquote a well known group. Try talking over a 4 wire connection, i.e completely separate go and return paths, and you and the other person not able to hear your.their speech. regards, Alan. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 01:33:33 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Feedback (or Sidetone) in our conversations... "Al Gillis" wrote: >(Refer to David's last paragraph where he said "We don't need "sidetone" for >a face to face conversation")] > >Well, David, I don't think that is exactly right. Frequently, people with >hearing impairments talk louder than others. That's usually because they >don't get the feedback that tells us our voice is at about the right volume >level (and in a telephone that feedback is called sidetone). I'm the other way round. I have otosclerosis (solid bone between the ears (inner and outer)) I hear my own voice by sound through bone conduction from inside the skull, and it sounds so loud I talk more softly than normal. I know of others with the same problem. regards, Alan. > >There's a guy in our office that displays this characteristic: In casual >conversations or in conference rooms he talks as though he was addressing a >large group in an outdoor setting. We used to tolerate it politely, but >people are now asking him to quiet down a little. He needs to get his >hearing aids checked/improved or something. Another person I know of has >the same difficulty and the same loud talking habit. I don't know if a >sample size of two makes for a conclusion but it's what I (and others in my >department) have noticed. > >Al > > >David Clayton wrote in message >news:3q431u032gm5vs2jgcp3eqiajgi8a285n5@4ax.com... >> ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) contributed the following: >> >> >Dr. Joel M. Hoffman wrote: >> >>> I thought (based on *old* memories) that this "leakage" is >> >>>intentional. IIRC a low level of "sidetone" is needed to make >> >>>conversation comfortable. So this makes the inevitable "leakage" >> > >> >> It turns out (or so it's thought) that people tend to talk too loudly >> >> if they can't hear a bit of their own voice. >> > >> >Which probably explains why people talking on cellphones in public sound >> >so obnoxious. >> >> Maybe, but I'd say that's only part of the reason....... >> >> I believe that sidetone was a byproduct of the early phone systems being >> unable to achieve the correct impedance matching in the hybrid to >> eliminate it, so it seems we have been "trained" to expect it from the >> first time we have used a "normal" landline phone and behave poorly when >> we don't get it. >> >> We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we >> need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice >> without it? >> - - >> Regards, David. >> >> David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au >> Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. >> >> Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you >down to their level then beat you with experience. >> -- >> The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >> messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #320 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 10 Dec 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #321 Telecom Digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 321 In this issue: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights sms info required... plz help :( Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BClub_de_l'Arche=5D_soir=E9e_sociologique?= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Dec 2001 12:50:56 -0500 From: "Neil Hyndman" Subject: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights I'M PROBABLY THE LARGEST AVAYA FAN IN THE WORLD. They have good switches that never seem to cause too much problem. I must admit the technical support we receive from Avaya's B/P hotline is some what harsh. They treat us like we should be washing cars, and not installing their equipment. I have yet to speak to someone at Avaya technical support that does not have a attitude problem. Now we also install Mitel, and let me tell you they are helpful. If we can't get the problem fixed (which is never really happens) they fly to our office the next day. Now that is technical support. I just wish when I call Avaya they would be a little nicer, after all it is us (the dealer) that sells Avaya or Mitel... AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, I LIKE AVAYA'S STUFF, I JUST WISH THEY WOULD LOOSE THE ATTITUDE. Neil "David De Trolio" wrote in message news:fEBP7.233281$ez.33220111@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > I have been a user of Avaya/Lucent equipment for several years now, and I > have to admit their products have been solid and reliable during that > period. I have a Definity G3i which is running 9.5.2 and we at my company > have taken Voice Over IP beyond what Avaya thought their equipment could do. > > But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer > questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. > > We have spent numerous months trying to get service contracts completed for > a few of our nodes. Thanks to "buyout" packages, the closing of the > EXCELLENT Customer Care Facility in Parsippany, New Jersey, and constant > changing of software and personnel, we are left waiting for the paperwork > flow to be completed and hope nothing happens of importance to those > switches. > > We have tried working with them on their R300 unit in our smaller offices. > Here is an example of a piece of equipment which looks GREAT on > paper, but in application in the real word it meant only failure. We have > increased bandwidth to this thing, we have had so many software revisions > done to it the interface to the unit displays it to be an engineering > version. We have been a great lab for this thing, and perhaps it works in > SMALL areas with LIMITED usage and OVER size bandwidth, but for our purposes > it will be removed and replaced with one of Avaya's designs which does work, > the ProLogix. > > There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and > speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. > > It was none of this "well sir, I can tell you how to do it, but I have to > bill you $85.00" or refusing to help me because the switch was installed by > a VAR > (who was brought to us BY Avaya) and reading me a list of charges. > > We will use Avaya equipment as we build our VoIP network. But we have to > take smaller steps and spend more money in this tight IT budget period > because of their inability to manage and instruct the people now working > within Avaya. The company chose to offer "buyout" packages to their > employees, do you think maybe they could have offered them better pay and > kept some of them to train newer people or to work flex hours? > > Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure > anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or > whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will > not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package > given to them and be gone in a week! > > Avaya people read these groups, that much information I have learned. > > So Ladies and Gentlemen of Avaya, I am not a happy customer, and neither is > the VAR I am working with. > > Do something which was always the hallmark of American business.....make the > customer happy, and do it soon please. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 13:13:52 -0500 From: "Yousuf Bawany" Subject: sms info required... plz help :( To whom it may concern I am Muhammed Yousuf Bawany (Karachi, Pakistan), and I am currently studying for my B.S in Computer Science. For my networking course, I was asked to make a website through which people can send SMS messages. I have to implement the GSM-SMS protocol and I have no idea about it. Please help me out here. I also need to know that how can I demonstrate my project to my Instructor using: 1. Real Message Centers (if there are any free ones available, please tell) 2. Using an SMS Simulator I have done very little research because i couldn't find much material on this Topic. I'll be really greatful if you can send me URLs and/or material related to GSM-SMS. Sincerely, Yousuf B. email: meetyousuf@yahoo.com my_bawany@yahoo.com - -- Posted from [202.5.132.81] via Mailgate.ORG Server - http://www.Mailgate.ORG - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 17:05:47 -0500 From: "David De Trolio" Subject: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights That is exactly what I was speaking about along with other problems we have run into. If one more representative begins to tell me this is out of hours work, that I do not have maintenance, or this is not a supported item, or that I have to go to Tier 3 or 4, I will ask them for the number for Cisco Technical Support. It sounds like Mitel knows what the term "Customer Service" means. Pity Avaya does not, but then again, those who did are at the "buyout" parties and cannot get to the phone. For those interested in Avaya's VoIP products, I can tell you the Definity and the ProLogix is worth a look. But run like you are in the Olympics if they mention the R300, it is the Yugo of Avaya's equipment. "Neil Hyndman" wrote in message news:XvNQ7.23645$pa1.9015822@news3.rdc1.on.home.com... > I'M PROBABLY THE LARGEST AVAYA FAN IN THE WORLD. They have good switches > that never seem to cause too much problem. I must admit the technical > support we receive from Avaya's B/P hotline is some what harsh. They treat > us like we should be washing cars, and not installing their equipment. I > have yet to speak to someone at Avaya technical support that does not have a > attitude problem. Now we also install Mitel, and let me tell you they are > helpful. If we can't get the problem fixed (which is never really happens) > they fly to our office the next day. Now that is technical support. I just > wish when I call Avaya they would be a little nicer, after all it is us (the > dealer) that sells Avaya or Mitel... > > AGAIN FOR THE RECORD, I LIKE AVAYA'S STUFF, I JUST WISH THEY WOULD LOOSE THE > ATTITUDE. > > Neil > > > "David De Trolio" wrote in message > news:fEBP7.233281$ez.33220111@news1.rdc1.nj.home.com... > > I have been a user of Avaya/Lucent equipment for several years now, and I > > have to admit their products have been solid and reliable during that > > period. I have a Definity G3i which is running 9.5.2 and we at my company > > have taken Voice Over IP beyond what Avaya thought their equipment could > do. > > > > But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer > > questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. > > > > We have spent numerous months trying to get service contracts completed > for > > a few of our nodes. Thanks to "buyout" packages, the closing of the > > EXCELLENT Customer Care Facility in Parsippany, New Jersey, and constant > > changing of software and personnel, we are left waiting for the paperwork > > flow to be completed and hope nothing happens of importance to those > > switches. > > > > We have tried working with them on their R300 unit in our smaller offices. > > Here is an example of a piece of equipment which looks GREAT on > > paper, but in application in the real word it meant only failure. We have > > increased bandwidth to this thing, we have had so many software revisions > > done to it the interface to the unit displays it to be an engineering > > version. We have been a great lab for this thing, and perhaps it works in > > SMALL areas with LIMITED usage and OVER size bandwidth, but for our > purposes > > it will be removed and replaced with one of Avaya's designs which does > work, > > the ProLogix. > > > > There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and > > speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. > > > > It was none of this "well sir, I can tell you how to do it, but I have to > > bill you $85.00" or refusing to help me because the switch was installed > by > > a VAR > > (who was brought to us BY Avaya) and reading me a list of charges. > > > > We will use Avaya equipment as we build our VoIP network. But we have to > > take smaller steps and spend more money in this tight IT budget period > > because of their inability to manage and instruct the people now working > > within Avaya. The company chose to offer "buyout" packages to their > > employees, do you think maybe they could have offered them better pay and > > kept some of them to train newer people or to work flex hours? > > > > Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure > > anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or > > whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will > > not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package > > given to them and be gone in a week! > > > > Avaya people read these groups, that much information I have learned. > > > > So Ladies and Gentlemen of Avaya, I am not a happy customer, and neither > is > > the VAR I am working with. > > > > Do something which was always the hallmark of American business.....make > the > > customer happy, and do it soon please. > > -- > > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Dec 2001 22:12:20 -0500 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound dcstar@acslink.net.au writes: > >We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we >need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice >without it? > David, my experiences indicate you're completely wrong. We do indeed have sidetone in fact to face conversations. The external path from our mouths to our ears through the air is sidetone. We have it in ordinary conversation, and we rely upon it to match our speaking loudness to the loudness of the other partcipant(s) in the conversation. Telephone sidetone replaces the natural sidetone when the receiver blocks our ear. -Greg - -- +++++ Greg Andrews +++ gerg@panix.com +++++ I have a map of the United States that's actual size -- Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 00:41:21 -0500 From: bowenb@best.com (William H. Bowen) Subject: Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights jdearing@netaxs.com (John Dearing) wrote: >David De Trolio (david.de.trolio@home.com) wrote: > >-=[ deletia ]=- > >: But never have I seen a company so quickly lose the ability to answer >: questions, process service orders, and deliver product which works. > >-=[ a little more deletia ]=- > >: There was a time you would call (yes an actual call, not a web ticket) and >: speak to a technician about a problem, and have it resolved. > >-=[ finally some more deletia ]=- > >: Avaya management fails to deliver day after day after day. I am not sure >: anymore when I speak to a manger, district manager, service manager or >: whomever calls me to smooth over the latest equipment failure that I will >: not only get results, but the same person will not have a buyout package >: given to them and be gone in a week! > >/opinion mode on/ > >Over the next few decades there will be written scores of articles and >theses on basically the topic of: > >"What the f*** were the Idiots at AT&T thinking back then?" > >It will become a textbook case of how to take a beloved Name Brand with >unparalled name recognition and good will and absolutely run the whole >shebang right into the ground. > >All the while, collecting big stock options and obscene bonuses for the >top brass. > >Doesn't the expression "arranging deck chairs on the Titanic" somehow seem >appropriate here? > >/opinion mode off/ > >There, I feel better! > >John John, My $0.02 - I agree with you completely. My father worked for AT&T Western Electric (which is, for all intents, the "grandfather" of Avaya) for 28 years (1945-1973) and I know Dad has to be turning over in his grave with what is happening to that once great company. It really pains me to see it happen too, knowing the great history and reputation the company once had. Regards, Bill Bowen bowenb@best.com Daly City, CA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 00:45:24 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. Sorry for the delay responding, I was traveling. I had a similar dispute with MCI, and they cut me off. I went to a dialaround 1016868, which had some of the best rates available at the time. I then tried to negotiate with MCI for the bill, and they wouldn't budge. So I let it go into collection, and the first time the collection agent called me, I said I would settle for a specific amount if they settled right then. The collection guy tried to yell at me and I hung up. He called me back, and was reasonably amicable. At one point he again tried badgering me: "what makes me think I know more about tariffs than MCI?" I said, "The fact that I've been an expert witness in the field for over 15 years," and the rest of the call was quite amicable. About a year later, MCI again tried to contact me for the remainder of the bill. I told them that I had settled with their agent, and that if they contacted me again I was going to the FTC and the state Attorney General charging consumer fraud. So far I haven't heard back. At 06:15 AM 12/2/2001, Telecom Digest wrote: >Telecom Digest Sunday, December 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 313 >------------------------------ > >Date: 1 Dec 2001 11:53:05 -0500 >From: Joseph Singer >Subject: Re: My Long distance phone bill dispute. > >Your biggest mistake was going with MCI. These days there are lots of >alternatives and you don't have to pay more than 5 cents per minute >for domestic calls and sometimes a lot less than that. > >On 30 Nov 2001 19:06:12 -0500, askstanley@hotmail.com (eplayer) wrote: > > >Hi, I hope to get some advise about my dispute over my long distance > >telephone bill. > >To make a long story short, I had my long distance carrier switched > >from AT&T to MCI last month. After using MCI for about 2 weeks, I got > >a 'high toll' letter from MCI and had my long distance service > >blocked. Basically, they told me that there was an operator call to > >United Kingdom from my line for about $120. I have to accept the > >charges to have my line activated again. I am sure that I didn't make > >the call to United Kingdom, indeed, I hadn't called to England for the > >last five years. So, I didn't agree to pay the charges. I then > >bought a calling card for long distance calls. Due to the unpleasant > >experience with MCI, I switched my long distance carrier back to AT&T > >even though it is more expensive. I received my MCI bill yesterday > >and went through the same trouble speaking to the MCI representatives. > > They insisted that the call to United Kingdom is from my line and ask > >me to have my phone line checked to make sure that it is not cross > >wired first. I then talked to my local telephone company to have my > >line checked and still waiting for the result. > > > >This is just not a pleasant experience at all. Maybe, I am just > >unlucky. Maybe, MCI did nothing wrong. But still, their customer > >service is quite bad. I don't want to have business with them > >anymore. My previous AT&T bills are quite clean for the last few > >years, never have to talk to them about my bills. I always pay all my > >bills on time. > > > >Please give me some advise on what I should do about it. It is quite > >annoying. > > > >Thanks, > >Stanley > > >End of Telecom Digest V2001 #313 >******************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 02:30:14 -0500 From: "Jean-Bernard Condat" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=5BClub_de_l'Arche=5D_soir=E9e_sociologique?= Bonjour, Mardi 11 décembre a 18h30 précises, vous êtes cordialement invité à une scéance exceptionnelle du Club de l'Arche consacrée à un sujet rarement abordé. 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Date: 11 Dec 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #322 Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 322 In this issue: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound REVIEW: "How Wireless Works", Preston Gralla Telecom Update (Canada) #312, December 10, 2001 Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #321 Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #321 Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Cable run protection across a busy floor? Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Dec 2001 09:35:14 -0500 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound dcstar@acslink.net.au wrote: >> We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so >> why do we need it when talking into a device where we can still >> hear our own voice without it? And then (Greg Andrews) wrote: > David, my experiences indicate you're completely wrong. > We do indeed have sidetone in fact to face conversations. > The external path from our mouths to our ears through the > air is sidetone. > > We have it in ordinary conversation, and we rely upon it > to match our speaking loudness to the loudness of the other > partcipant(s) in the conversation. Telephone sidetone > replaces the natural sidetone when the receiver blocks our > ear. I agree with Greg. In my own experience as a broadcast technician, I've noted a phenomenon that confirms this: a person wearing earphones tends to talk louder. In a typical scenario, a technician is wearing earphones to monitor unrelated program material -- material that masks his mouth-to-ear feedback. Someone else asks him a question; if he attempts to answer it without removing his earphones, he tends to raise his voice without realizing it. One occasion, I've heard things like, "Take you d*** phones off -- you don't have to shout at me!" An experienced broadcast technician can learn to control his voice level to prevent this from happening. My favorite example: back in my college days, I was taking an audiology course. The lab instructor was trying to demonstrate this very phenomenon: a person raises his voice when airborne feedback is blocked. Unfortunately (for the instructor), he picked me as the guinea pig. He asked me to wear earphones, and read aloud while he changed the level of white noise in the earphones. Knowing what he was up to, I spoke in a consistent level throughout, thereby completely spoiling his demonstration. He finally had to pick another guinea pig to prove his point. He still had the last word, however: he gave me a "D" in that course! Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 10:58:31 -0500 From: "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" Subject: REVIEW: "How Wireless Works", Preston Gralla BKHWWLWK.RVW 20011017 "How Wireless Works", Preston Gralla, 2002, 0-7897-2487-1, U$29.99/C$44.95/UK#21.99 %A Preston Gralla preston@gralla.com %C 201 W. 103rd Street, Indianapolis, IN 46290 %D 2002 %G 0-7897-2487-1 %I Macmillan Computer Publishing (MCP) %O U$29.99/C$44.95/UK#21.99 800-858-7674 info@mcp.com %P 232 p. %T "How Wireless Works" Albert Einstein was once asked to explain radio. His famous response was that one should consider a cat long enough to stretch across the United States. Pull the cat's tail in New York, and it meows in Los Angeles. Radio, said Al, is just the same--except that there is no cat. What Einstein did facetiously, Gralla seems to be trying to do in earnest. This pictorial non-explanation provides the reader with a lot of interesting information and trivia--about everything except the central topic. There is some very good material. The basic explanations of modulation and the electromagnetic spectrum are excellent. But they are also old news: well known concepts that aren't new fields of technology. When the book moves into applications it also starts to engage in hand-waving. Even basic broadcast radio and television is only covered at the level of "the information goes in here and it comes out there." Once the topic moves to cellular systems and wireless networks the terms are all there (handoff, CDMA, WML, Bluetooth, GSM, WAP), but the reason given for how it works is merely that it does. Some of the material, simplistic as it is, contradicts itself. On page 91 we are told that all digital cellular systems use only one frequency for both transmission and control, while the very next sentence says that digital cellular phones can do so if necessary. Other parts are unintentionally ironic, such as the page that shows a "hacker" being stopped by a firewall on a wireless network, when the security leakage that wireless networks provide has been amply documented. (In the section on security these problems are virtually ignored: the only items of concern are "wireless viruses" and cloned cell phones.) A little effort put into bringing the contents of this colourful book up to the same level as the introductory material would make it a more useful tutorial for non-specialists. It is rather frustrating to read these pages and note that very brief additions could have immensely enhanced them. As it stands, the first chapters do explain the concepts behind basic radio transmissions and data modulation. The bulk of the work is flashy, but pointless. copyright Robert M. Slade, 2001 BKHWWLWK.RVW 20011017 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 10:59:50 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #312, December 10, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 312: December 10, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Rogers Extends Excite Contract ** Wireless Internet Planned for Vancouver ** Cogeco Plans Video-on-Demand ** Mitel Launches Small Business IP System ** BlackBerry Goes to Italy ** Certen Upgrades Bell Nexxia Billing ** BCE Puts Cash Into BCI ** Bell Mobility Expands Digital Footprint ** MTS Mobile Reaches 200,000 ** Rogers Eases Taxi Search ** CGI Raises $125 Million ** Telus, CIBC Launch Soltrus ** Corrections: RSL, 10-Digit Dialing ** Call Now for On-Site Call Centre Training ============================================================ ROGERS EXTENDS EXCITE CONTRACT: Rogers Cable has agreed to pay Excite@Home US$15 Million to continue the service to the cableco's Internet customers for three months. The fee is about double the amount that was charged before Excite entered bankruptcy protection. (See Telecom Update #311) ** Excite@Home says it will cease all operations on February 28. The announcement came shortly after AT&T withdrew its bid to buy the company's network assets. WIRELESS INTERNET PLANNED FOR VANCOUVER: Craig Wireless International says it will launch high-speed wireless Internet service in Vancouver in the second quarter of 2002. Customers will use a "pocket-sized portable broadband modem" developed by California-based IPWireless Inc. COGECO PLANS VIDEO-ON-DEMAND: Speaking at Cogeco Cable's annual meeting last week, President Louis Audet said that the company will launch a video-on-demand service in 2002. Customers will be able to select movies from a bank of 600 titles. ** Cogeco had 107,938 high-speed Internet customers on August 31, up from 70,716 a year earlier. MITEL LAUNCHES SMALL BUSINESS IP SYSTEM: Mitel Networks has announced general availability of the 3100 Integrated Communications Platform, a full-featured combination PBX and LAN system designed for small businesses. BLACKBERRY GOES TO ITALY: Research In Motion and Italy's largest phone company, Telecom Italia, have agreed to work together to introduce a GPRS version of RIM's BlackBerry wireless e-mail system in Italy. CERTEN UPGRADES BELL NEXXIA BILLING: Certen, the billing company created last February by Bell Canada and Amdocs, says it has completed a new billing platform that will allow Bell Nexxia to provide consolidated, detailed invoices to large enterprise customers. (See Telecom Update #269, 272) BCE PUTS CASH INTO BCI: Bell Canada has agreed to inject up to $500 million into its Bell Canada International subsidiary, saving BCI from potential bankruptcy. The funds will keep BCI alive until 2003. BELL MOBILITY EXPANDS DIGITAL FOOTPRINT: Bell Mobility says its digital PCS network has been extended to more than 200 additional communities in Ontario and Quebec. The company claims digital coverage of more than 90% of the population in its service area. MTS MOBILE REACHES 200,000: It took Manitoba Telecom nine years to sign up 100,000 cellular customers. This month, four years later, it passed 200,000. ROGERS EASES TAXI SEARCH: Users of Rogers AT&T Wireless cellphones can now dial #TAXI to be connected to the first available taxi company in any of 400 Canadian cities and towns. The service, operated by Toronto's CellWand Communications, costs 95 cents a call. CGI RAISES $125 MILLION: Computer services company CGI Group, which is 41.4% owned by BCE, has sold $125 million in new equity to a syndicate of investment dealers. The money will be used to pay off debt and to finance acquisitions. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 17:07:41 -0500 From: e cummings Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #321 At 06:15 AM 12/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Telecom Digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 321 > Re: Avaya...Last One With A Buyout Please Turn Off The Lights the other day i saw an Avaya truck parked on the street. the decals on the side of the van said to call (800)GO-AVAYA. i peeled off the last A, since it was redundant ;-) - -ed cummings - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 17:12:27 -0500 From: e cummings Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #321 At 06:15 AM 12/10/01 -0500, you wrote: >Telecom Digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 321 >Date: 9 Dec 2001 22:12:20 -0500 >From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) >Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound > >dcstar@acslink.net.au writes: > > > >We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we > >need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice > >without it? > > > >David, my experiences indicate you're completely wrong. >We do indeed have sidetone in fact to face conversations. >The external path from our mouths to our ears through the >air is sidetone. > >We have it in ordinary conversation, and we rely upon it >to match our speaking loudness to the loudness of the other >partcipant(s) in the conversation. Telephone sidetone >replaces the natural sidetone when the receiver blocks our >ear. > > -Greg >- -- >+++++ Greg Andrews +++ gerg@panix.com +++++ actually, the sidetone in meatspace is primarily via bone conduction, not through the air. that's why when you listen to yourself on a tape recording you sound different than you're used to. - -ed cummings - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 19:39:33 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound On 8 Dec 2001 22:42:20 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (msb@vex.net (Mark Brader)) wrote: >David Clayton: >> We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation... > >We may not *need* it, but we *have* it; your voice reaches your ears >by way of the air as well as conduction through your body. And people >use that to regulate their speaking volume, which is why people with >impaired hearing often get their volume wrong. > >Sidetone in a phone just eliminates the effect of your ear being >covered by the phone. All this may be true, but that doesn't alter what I want to know about telephones. Right now I'm not concerned about whether voice feedback goes through the air or through the bones. I am concerned about the voice loudness over the telephone. When my husband and I talk on the phone to our relatives, he gets on one phone and I get on another extension hooked to the same line. Invariably his voice is way louder through my telephone to my ear than the voices of the people we are talking to, regardless of whether the other party is in the same town as we are or in another state. Sometimes my father has trouble hearing us, so we have to talk louder to him, but even at a normal voice, I hear my husband's voice way louder than the other person's. If Hubby laughs or gets excited, my ear hurts! I have to hold the earpiece way away from my head while Hubby is talking and quickly put it back to my ear when my dad or whoever we are talking to is talking. It would be nice if the phone could adjust the volume of the person's voice from the other extension to be a similar loudness level to the voice(s) on the other end of the connection. We have paid varying prices for the phones in our house, and this volume difference seems to be similar regardless of how cheap or expensive the phone was. I'd like to turn UP the volume for the party on the other end of the line and turn DOWN the volume for the person on the other extension in my house. the only way that feature could be enabled is if there is some way to separate the incoming from the outgoing, even when it's from another phone on an extension of the same line. I hope this description is a little more clear than mud. I wonder if the original person who brought up this subject some weeks ago had that sort of feature in mind. - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Dec 2001 21:07:50 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Neal! What an EXCELLENT practical joke! I dream of being in these situations AND being able to think up something like that! Although the "D" was probably a bitter pill when you received it I can assure you that now the story is a lot more interesting than if you'd played along with the demo and received a better grade! Al Neal McLain wrote in message news:3C14C5F8.7F93@annsgarden.com... > dcstar@acslink.net.au wrote: > (Some deleted material....) > An experienced broadcast technician can learn to control his voice level > to prevent this from happening. My favorite example: back in my college > days, I was taking an audiology course. The lab instructor was trying > to demonstrate this very phenomenon: a person raises his voice when > airborne feedback is blocked. Unfortunately (for the instructor), he > picked me as the guinea pig. He asked me to wear earphones, and read > aloud while he changed the level of white noise in the earphones. > Knowing what he was up to, I spoke in a consistent level throughout, > thereby completely spoiling his demonstration. He finally had to pick > another guinea pig to prove his point. > > He still had the last word, however: he gave me a "D" in that course! > > Neal McLain > nmclain@annsgarden.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 01:45:36 -0500 From: Fiber McGee Subject: Cable run protection across a busy floor? I've got a relatively short run of RJ11 cable to run across a high traffic carpeted area. I recall a clear vinyl runner with a center channel for the cable, but not who makes it. Pointers to such a thing will be most appreciated. Lengths between ten and twenty-five feet are what I need... Something to keep the cable relatively safe from destruction while being run over by swivel chairs and equipment carts. Suggestions? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 02:04:45 -0500 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) contributed the following: >dcstar@acslink.net.au writes: >> >>We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we >>need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice >>without it? >> >David, my experiences indicate you're completely wrong. >We do indeed have sidetone in fact to face conversations. >The external path from our mouths to our ears through the >air is sidetone. > And my point is that the natural "sidetone" doesn't disappear just because we are holding a handset to one ear, we have just being "trained" to expect it when using a telephone. >We have it in ordinary conversation, and we rely upon it >to match our speaking loudness to the loudness of the other >partcipant(s) in the conversation. Telephone sidetone >replaces the natural sidetone when the receiver blocks our >ear. > If we wore headphones blocking our own voice from both ears I would concur, but because most of us can still quite clearly hear our own voices when using the telephone, I don't agree. I have experienced various differing levels of "sidetone" when using the same handset on different calls, and these have resulted in me having to either lower or raise my voice to be heard clearly at the other end, so the proposition that sidetone is necessary to regulate the level of conversation doesn't hold true all of the time. I like to see some people who have never used a telephone started off with devices that don't have sidetone, I'd reckon they would be as effective in their use as the rest of us who have been "trained" to expect it. - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #322 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 12 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #323 Telecom Digest Wednesday, December 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 323 In this issue: Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound How to stay above the rest Re: Cable run protection across a busy floor? Toshiba Stratagy Notification 12/11/01 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Cable run protection across a busy floor? transoceanic on ebay? don't think so Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:18:18 -0500 From: gpn@techie.com Subject: Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound On 10 Dec 2001 19:39:33 -0500, "Gail M. Hall" wrote: >When my husband and I talk on the phone to our relatives, he gets on one >phone and I get on another extension hooked to the same line. >.... >I'd like to turn UP the volume for the party on the other end of the line >and turn DOWN the volume for the person on the other extension in my house. >the only way that feature could be enabled is if there is some way to >separate the incoming from the outgoing, even when it's from another phone >on an extension of the same line. I hope this description is a little more >clear than mud. The trouble is that, with respect to YOUR phone, both of the other parties on the call *are* incoming. They are mixed in a single electrical signal on the wire leading to your extension, and there's no circuitry within your phone that possibly tell them apart, let alone treat them differently. Your voice is a different matter. That is originated in your handset, and your phone can make some adjustments about how much of that is fed back to you as sidetone. If you heard your own voice as loudly as you hear your husband's, you would probably start to speak very softly, and others would constantly have to ask you to speak up. Even phones with volume controls are not going to solve your problem. It is an inherent problem that comes along with the design decisions, some of them made by Bell himself, that went into the original telephone system. When you are using current-analog signals, and transmit both incoming and outgoing voices on the same pair of wires, there is no way to keep them from getting mixed together. Volume control phones will make both voices louder or softer, but typically won't try to compress the differences between the two. You might find that using a speakerphone helps somewhat, but may make matters worse in other ways. They tend to have more sophisticated active level adjusting features, actually designed to prevent feedback, that might reduce the difference between the local and distant voices. Unfortunately, if it's like mine, these features only work in hands-free mode, and are disabled as soon as you lift the handset. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 10:27:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: How to stay above the rest How to stay above the rest Faster internet access and wireless networks could threaten 3G mobile phones before they even get off the ground, writes Jack Schofield More internet news Thursday December 6, 2001 The Guardian Just when many people are starting to think about getting broadband access to the internet, about 10 times faster than using a modem, manufacturers are planning to introduce technologies that are a hundred times faster. And these new phone-based and wireless systems, working together, could ruin the chances of success for third-generation (3G) mobile phone networks - in which telecoms suppliers invested £22.5bn - and put increasing pressure on cable TV networks. For the past year, British Telecom has been offering consumers broadband net access using ADSL (Asymmetrical Digital Subscriber Line), with a download speed of 512 kilobits per second (kbps) - enough to smoothly download music and play games online. By the end of next year, it expects to offer VDSL (Very high bit-rate DSL) with download speeds of up to 14 megabits per second - 28 times faster - and more than 50mbps is achievable. In the US, Qwest Communications is already installing VDSL in some areas, though it is only offering 1mbps. ... http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,612492,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 11:04:04 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Cable run protection across a busy floor? ANy large office supply catalog or AV supply company should have it in stock. Various sizes and lengths. You could just tape it down with gaffers tape. (Not duct tape, gaffers tape. unless you don't care about damaging the carpet. ) --Dale Fiber McGee wrote: > I've got a relatively short run of RJ11 cable to run across a high > traffic carpeted area. I recall a clear vinyl runner with a center > channel for the cable, but not who makes it. Pointers to such a thing > will be most appreciated. Lengths between ten and twenty-five feet are > what I need... Something to keep the cable relatively safe from > destruction while being run over by swivel chairs and equipment carts. > Suggestions? > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Dec 2001 14:39:08 -0500 From: 8400-5wpl@spamex.com Subject: Toshiba Stratagy Notification Hello... Does anyone know if/how end users can configure a Toshiba Stratagy system to page or call a cell phone when an urgent message is left? There are instructions in the manual I received but I can't seem to get them to work. Our office went the budget route and the only tech support we have is from the telecom vendor at an absurd amount per hour. The manual says to dial 3 from the main menu to get into the Manage Mailbox menu, then 2 the Change User Options, then 7 to change Message notification, then to enter the notification template number. I seem to have two templates: 1) PANA DBS MW ON, and 2) PANA DBS MW OFF. I follow the instructions to change the notification digits but nothing I put in seems to make a differe. We normally have to press an outside line button after picking up the phone or dial 9 from the off-hook tone. Thanks, Terry - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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I recall a clear vinyl runner with a center If you can add another 20 feet to the run, go up to the ceiling (inside if its a dropped ceiling) and run it across the room on/in the ceiling. - -- Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 00:09:53 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: transoceanic on ebay? don't think so http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047447973 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 00:31:39 -0500 From: gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound dcstar@acslink.net.au writes: >gerg@panix.com (Greg Andrews) contributed the following: >>dcstar@acslink.net.au writes: >>> >>>We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation, so why do we >>>need it when talking into a device where we can still hear our own voice >>>without it? >>> >>David, my experiences indicate you're completely wrong. >>We do indeed have sidetone in fact to face conversations. >>The external path from our mouths to our ears through the >>air is sidetone. > >And my point is that the natural "sidetone" doesn't disappear just >because we are holding a handset to one ear, we have just being >"trained" to expect it when using a telephone. > Yes, there is sidetone to our free ear. However, that ear is not hearing the other person's voice and cannot compare the relative loudnesses. So our brains ignore the information from our free ear and concentrate on the information from our receiver ear. Without sidetone, the ear covered by the receiver hears an attenuated version of your own voice, which sounds fainter than the other person. This makes you speak louder to make the volumes in your receiver ear match. -Greg - -- +++++ Greg Andrews +++ gerg@panix.com +++++ I have a map of the United States that's actual size -- Steven Wright - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #323 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 13 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #324 Telecom Digest Thursday, December 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 324 In this issue: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? Re: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? Two Phone Companies to Convert Payphones to Terminals Re: transoceanic on ebay? don't think so Transoceanic message went to wrong newsgroup A Telling Tale Repeat Success Re: Cable run protection across a busy floor? Re: phone key pad survey ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Dec 2001 08:55:23 -0500 From: Neal McLain Subject: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? Several Strowger switches have been for sale on eBay in recent weeks, all from the same seller. See http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&ebaytag1=ebayreg&query=strowger&query2=strowger&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ebaytag1code=0&st=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort or do a Smart Search for "Strowger." I purchased one of these switches. When it arrived, I discovered that it did not include the contacts that the wipers wipe across. I contacted the seller. He found a set of contacts for me, for an additional $5.00 shipping. A careful re-reading of the original posting indicates that the seller did not, in fact, claim that the contacts were included. The text description states that the wipers are included, but it doesn't mention contacts at all. Only one of the three photographs shows the wipers; a careful examination of this photo shows wipers but no contacts, but the lighting is such that one has to look very closely to notice this fact. Under the circumstances, I can't accuse the seller of misrepresenting the item. Nevertheless, a Strowger switch without contacts is not a complete Strowger switch. So, to anyone contemplating the purchase of one of these switches: caveat emptor. Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 09:17:28 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? On 12 Dec 2001 08:55:23 -0500, Neal McLain wrote: >Several Strowger switches have been for sale on eBay in recent weeks, >all from the same seller. See >http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&ebaytag1=ebayreg&query=strowger&query2=strowger&search_option=1&exclude=&category0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ebaytag1code=0&st=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort >or do a Smart Search for "Strowger." > >I purchased one of these switches. When it arrived, I discovered that >it did not include the contacts that the wipers wipe across. I >contacted the seller. He found a set of contacts for me, for an >additional $5.00 shipping. > >A careful re-reading of the original posting indicates that the seller >did not, in fact, claim that the contacts were included. The text >description states that the wipers are included, but it doesn't mention >contacts at all. Only one of the three photographs shows the wipers; a >careful examination of this photo shows wipers but no contacts, but the >lighting is such that one has to look very closely to notice this fact. > >Under the circumstances, I can't accuse the seller of misrepresenting >the item. Nevertheless, a Strowger switch without contacts is not a >complete Strowger switch. So, to anyone contemplating the purchase of >one of these switches: caveat emptor. It's not exactly like you were lied to, just mis-informed :-). If you had ever seen a SxS office, you would know how a Strowger switch was mounted. There are 3 elements to a switch, the switch, the shelf it mounts in, and the DTA. The Shelf includes the contacts and the frame the switch sits in. In a normal CO, there were 20 switches in a shelf. UPS won't ship it...something about dimensional weight, let alone the physical weight. The DTA (distribution and termination assembly?) sat between the 20 switches on the left and the 20 switches on the right. Needless to say, that made a LEFT bank and a RIGHT bank. They didn't interchange. If you get lucky, you might be able to find an old 300 PABX site. Those shelves were much smaller and the Line Finder was wired to a 1st selector and then a connector (no second selectors etc.). It's a truck item. The 3rd and best option is to find a test and verification switch (yeah, right). Those are 2 or 3 switches and will fit in a 23" rack. You might luck into an old stepper in a county or state agency office. Or try some 3rd world country. Good luck. Carl Navarro P.S. If you're wondering, the dial tone came in a can :-) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 13:21:30 -0500 From: The Old Bear Subject: Two Phone Companies to Convert Payphones to Terminals The following is excerpted from a story which ran in the NY Times on December 11, 2001: Phone Giants in Europe Shift Focus - ---------------------------------- by Suzanne Kapner LONDON, Dec. 10 -- (NYT) -- In an effort to put the free spending and rapid debt run-ups of the last few years behind them, European telecommunications companies are turning to a search for ways to squeeze revenue growth from their existing assets. Signs of the new thrift are visible a deals expected to be unveiled later this week. The BT Group and Marconi are expected to announce on Wednesday the creation of a joint venture to convert old-fashioned pay phones into terminals that customers can use to surf the Internet and send e-mail, people close to the companies said today. Executives from Marconi and BT declined to comment. The plan would give BT a way to derive more revenue from the pay phones, which have been withering as more people use mobile phones. BT operates some 130,000 pay phones in Britain, and is required by regulators to maintain most of the booths come what may. For Marconi, the deal would add another stream of earnings at a crucial time. The company's core business, manufacturing telephone equipment, has experienced drastic shrinkage in its market share in the last year as large corporate customers stop spending heavily on communications infrastructure. The BT-Marconi venture is to convert about 30,000 pay phones into Internet terminals over three years. Marconi will bear the cost of the conversion, estimated at about $142 million, in exchange for a share of the extra revenue, the people close to the companies said. The companies have been testing the new devices, which are equipped with computer screens and keyboards, in northern England. . . . BT will face competition for its Internet terminals from the new mobile phones Hutchison plans to introduce, which promise a continuous link to the Internet. And vandalism could make BT's booths costly to maintain, said Stephan Michel, an analyst with Barclays Capital. "It's not going to be a huge market, but for a limited number of users, it could be useful," Mr. Michel said. . . . Generally, though, analysts applauded the moves. "In the past few years, these companies have spent heavily," Mr. Tysoe said. "Now they are trying to find revenue to earn back some of that money." . . . - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 14:58:20 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Re: transoceanic on ebay? don't think so Sorry, this post was supposed to go to rec.antiques.radio+phono not comp.dcom.telecom The robot can't catch this sort of error like a live moderator could. Robert Casey wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1047447973 > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:00:21 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Transoceanic message went to wrong newsgroup Hi, I messed up. The transoceanic post was supposed to go to another newsgroup, not comp.dcom.telecom If possible, please remove it from the group. Bob - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:36:19 -0500 From: "Eric Friedebach" Subject: A Telling Tale A Telling Tale Erika Brown, Forbes Magazine, 12.10.01 Mike McCue had plenty of charisma and a ton of cash. They weren't enough. Remember the bubble? Good times: Mike S. McCue, 34, raised almost $240 million two years ago on the sizzle of a seemingly great idea: Let's turn the humble and ubiquitous telephone into a Web browser. Callers will dial 800-555-TELL to tap their own voice-activated Web portals and hear stock quotes, weather and sports scores. McCue's shop, privately held Tellme Networks in Mountain View, Calif., aimed to sell ads on the toll-free service and license its technology to online retailers. Connected and charismatic, he recruited 250 employees in a tight job market and landed cash from the lofty likes of Kleiner Perkins and Benchmark Capital. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/1210/106.html - ----- Eric Friedebach ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 15:42:56 -0500 From: "Eric Friedebach" Subject: Repeat Success Repeat Success Michael Freedman, Forbes Magazine, 12.10.01 What to do when your cell phone reception is too good? Sue, of course. Two years ago William C. Tepper walked into an AT&T store and bought himself a new cell phone. The reception in the store was terrific. But when the Westchester County, N.Y. veterinarian brought the phone home, he found it didn't work nearly as well. That's because a handful of AT&T stores are equipped with "repeaters," electronic devices that enhance digital signals and make conversations sound clearer. http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2001/1210/050a.html - ----- Eric Friedebach ____________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Web and POP E-mail Service in 14 languages at http://www.zzn.com. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 17:38:43 -0500 From: "Julian Thomas" Subject: Re: Cable run protection across a busy floor? In <9v6cir$pp5$1@panix3.panix.com>, on 12/11/01 at 08:40 PM, richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) said: >>I've got a relatively short run of RJ11 cable to run across a high >>traffic carpeted area. I recall a clear vinyl runner with a center >If you can add another 20 feet to the run, go up to the ceiling (inside >if its a dropped ceiling) and run it across the room on/in the >ceiling. Or under the carpet if you can route around the heavy traffic areas. - -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- If it screams, it's not food... Yet. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Dec 2001 17:38:44 -0500 From: "Julian Thomas" Subject: Re: phone key pad survey In , on 12/03/01 at 12:18 PM, Joseph Singer said: >When they had numbers and letters on UK dials it was 1, 2 ABC, 3 DEF, 4 >GHI, 5 JKL, 6 MN, 7 PRS, 8 TUV, 9 WXY, 0 O (the letter) Many years ago in France (Paris, at least) the letter O was on the zero spot on the dial. I kept getting cuss tones trying to dial an OPEra number as 672.... until I figured this out; at that time the concept of a dialled number beginning with a zero wasn't in my vocabulary. - -- Julian Thomas: jt@jt-mj.net http://jt-mj.net In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- A 2 year old's answer to everything: "No!" You can learn a lot from a 2 year old.... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #324 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 14 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #325 Telecom Digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 325 In this issue: Summary: Cable run protection across a busy floor? Questions about digital data transmission Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? Ethernet RTU for sale Re: Questions about digital data transmission Nortel DMS500 available Re: Nortel DMS500 available Re: Repeat Success Broadband lesson: Power's in the plumbing Re: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Dec 2001 07:18:43 -0500 From: Fiber McGee Subject: Summary: Cable run protection across a busy floor? Thanks for all the public and private responses. Here's what we found. Panduit floor guard, 30' and 50' lengths, $2.40/foot (FG3BL6S-A in black.) Graybar has it in California, with a week's lead time as of Wednesday. Unknown brand rubber cable guard, 25' foot roll, $1.80/foot. Graybar had it in Texas, with a one day lead. Belkin 6' cord cover, $14.99 list, $9.99 at Office Depot (if you can find it at a local store, or from the OD web site.) One of the catalogues that I checked out had a cable tray designed to stand up to automotive traffic. It was costly overkill for this project, but for someone running critical or expensive cables across a road or garage, it could be useful protection. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 14:55:41 -0500 From: jamesvanhees@altavista.com (james van hees) Subject: Questions about digital data transmission hi, i'm a bit confused about how digital data is transmitted. I have read somewhere that digital data is transmitted by sending voltage pulses (how does this work??) but I have also read that communication is always in the form of electromagnetic waves. Are voltage pulses magnetic waves? How is it that digital transmission media have limitations concerning bit rate? I assume that one can increase the amount of bits sent per seconde, why would the media not support this? And i wonder why optical fiber only supports analog transmission? Why can't we use light pulses ? And a last question, how does bandwith of a medium (let's say twisted pair) effect transmission of voltage pulses? Any help would be highly appreciated. Thx. James. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:06:36 -0500 From: shuo.huang@fibre.com (Shuo Huang) Subject: Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? Please continue to read this message only if you are familia with the following document: The ATM Forum "Circuit Emulation Service Interoperability Specification" ITU-T I.363.1 "B-ISDN ATM Adaptation Layer specification: Type 1 AAL" Now I have a very specific question. I really appreciate if you can answer it. The question is regarding to the format of the Circuit Emulation format on AAL1 layer. On page 17 of ITU-T I.363.1(08/96), it says "When the block size value is 1, the SDT protocol generates only non-P format SAR-PDU payloads, since the preservation of octet integrity provides the necessary structure boundary information." Does this mean that when N=1 the SDT will always use the "Partially filled cell method" described in section 2.5.2.5 on page 23? It seems that the document I.363.1 does not define clearly for N=1 case. Thank you in advance. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:06:48 -0500 From: canuslupas@hotmail.com (Martin Wensley) Subject: Ethernet RTU for sale Good Day, Datap is pleased to announce a new Remote Terminal Unit (RTU) product called Intelligate that has many advanced features over our existing offering of RTU models. Yet Intelligate is backward compatible with many of the features found in the older RTU’s. Its functionality bridges the gap between the older fixed-form RTUs and the ever-changing industry demands of today’s Telco and Energy markets. Intelligate is positioned to easily adapt to the new technology requirements of the future. Intelligate’s functionality is clearly evident by its front cover panel that contains a Vacuum Fluorescent Display (VFD) and four control buttons. This flexibility allows the unit to be maintained with the push of a button. In addition, two sets of LED’s monitor the communication activity on the LAN and modem cards. Also, a RJ-45 connector allows for PC or a Laptop connection for provisioning, maintenance and database readout. To date Intelligate supports such standards as Ethernet, IP, and UDP etc. and can be programmed to perform many useful functions not readily available in competitive devices. Unlike pervious RTU’s, it was born multi-lingual and continues to "learn" new languages. Today it is able to translate TBOS into DCP-1 and SNMP and the future holds promise of other new and exciting developments. Intelligate is modular so that it scales easily and can be expanded in the field with minimal effort. Just insert the module and Intelligate will detect its presence and display the configuration information on the VFD during the installation process. You can then download a new database configuration either from a central management station or from a laptop connected to the craft port of Intelligate. The RTU consist of a 2-RU chassis housing plug-in CPU and DC power supply modules: a vacuum-florescent front panel display. Additional plug-in module space is provided for 10 functional modules. Initial function modules include: - -Digital I/O (32DI: 8DO) per module. - -Serial I/O (4 ports of RS232, RS485 or RS422) per module. - -Bell 202T equivalent modem. - -212 dial back modem - -8 point Analog module - -10BaseT Ethernet module - -Telnet (Terminal Server) capabilities, Q1 2002 - -NEBS Level 3 Compliance, Q2 2002 - -DCP-1 data reporting and TBOS acquisition are available to be followed by other protocols such as TABS and TL-1 While few aspects of Intelligate remain in field trial, the initial offering is available for customer ordering today. We anticipate future developments of features and functionality including a Windows based GUI. Datap invites your input on functions that you would like to see in the future releases. This new RTU is very aggressively priced, we beleive your will be pleasantly surprised. Business Development Managers are available for on-site demonstrations by bookings. As well, Datap is pleased to announce Intelligate field units for quality assurance testing. Resources are limited so act fast. For additional information on Intelligate on our family of RTU and small NMS products, you may contact me directly. Martin Wensley canuslupas@hotmail.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 16:18:58 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Questions about digital data transmission james van hees wrote: > i'm a bit confused about how digital data is transmitted. I have read > somewhere that digital data is transmitted by sending voltage pulses > (how does this work??) but I have also read that communication is > always in the form of electromagnetic waves. Are voltage pulses > magnetic waves? > How is it that digital transmission media have limitations concerning > bit rate? I assume that one can increase the amount of bits sent per > seconde, why would the media not support this? And i wonder why > optical fiber only supports analog transmission? Why can't we use > light pulses ? > And a last question, how does bandwith of a medium (let's say twisted > pair) effect transmission of voltage pulses? > Any help would be highly appreciated. Thx. You just asked enough questions to make up the final exam in a college level course in electromagnetic theory. The short answer is that a "digital pulse" is a squarewave, and squarewaves require infinite bandwidth to transmit with true fidelity. No transmission medium has infinite bandwidth, and so the squarewaves get rounded off and beyound a certain frequency you can't tell where one starts and the previous one ends due to that rounding off. I hope that makes some sense to you, because the long form answer would take several pages, and that assumes you already know some basic physics. - -- Bill Ranck Blacksburg, Va. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 17:17:14 -0500 From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Nortel DMS500 available I have been contacted by a telecom equipment reseller asking if I knew of anyone looking for a Nortel DMS500 PBX. Evidently they have a used system for sale. It is nothing my organization would be able to use but if anyone on the list is interested I would be happy to pass along contact information and an equipment list. Charlie Wilber Dartmouth College - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 19:18:39 -0500 From: Alistair Gale Subject: Re: Nortel DMS500 available On 13 Dec 2001 17:17:14 -0500, Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) wrote: >I have been contacted by a telecom equipment reseller asking if I knew of anyone >looking for a Nortel DMS500 PBX. Evidently they have a used system for sale. It >is nothing my organization would be able to use but if anyone on the list is >interested I would be happy to pass along contact information and an equipment >list. > >Charlie Wilber >Dartmouth College Isn't a DMS-500 a combined CLEC/Carrier switch: I.e a switch with DMS-100 (end office), 200 (tandem), 250 (LD carrier) and maybe 300 (gateway) software features? That ain't no PBX, even if you have Centrex SOCs turned on. - -- alistair - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 23:32:13 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Repeat Success Sounds like some stores in the 1960s that, it is said, had a coil under the counter in the radio department (connected to a long-wire antenna) to deliver strong AM signals to transistor radios being demonstrated. Then there was the Woolco store in St. Matthews, Kentucky in the late 1960s-mid 1970s that had a master antenna system to feed the color TVs on display. They apparently didn't want to spend the money to install outlets for all the black-and-white portables they also kept on display, so they connected a pair of rabbit ears to one of the MATV outlets to radiate the signals to the B&W TVs' built-in antennas. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Dec 2001 23:45:27 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Broadband lesson: Power's in the plumbing Broadband lesson: Power's in the plumbing By John Borland Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 11, 2001, 4:00 a.m. PT Two short years ago, upstart providers of high-speed Net access seemed to have it all: rising demand for their services, low churn rates among subscribers, and market valuations in the billions of dollars. Today, most of these highfliers have closed their doors or sought shelter from angry creditors in bankruptcy court. Investors have watched tens of billions of dollars in market value simply evaporate. Unfortunately for employees, investors and jilted customers wondering what happened, an autopsy reveals that the signs of distress should have been obvious even during the heyday, but there was probably little that could have been done to prevent it. The messy collapse of Excite@Home marks the end of an ambitious era, in which start-ups believed they could make millions of dollars on Internet service without actually owning the most critical pieces of the infrastructure themselves. ... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-8134065.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 00:19:46 -0500 From: "hogpilot" Subject: Re: Anybody want to buy a Strowger switch? Or try at any military base equipment auction. "Carl Navarro" wrote in message news:b0pe1uch1qg9o6rfubpmkmr0qcatf43r4u@4ax.com... > On 12 Dec 2001 08:55:23 -0500, Neal McLain > wrote: > > >Several Strowger switches have been for sale on eBay in recent weeks, > >all from the same seller. See > >http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResult&ht=1&eba ytag1=ebayreg&query=strowger&query2=strowger&search_option=1&exclude=&catego ry0=&minPrice=&maxPrice=&ebaytag1code=0&st=&SortProperty=MetaEndSort > >or do a Smart Search for "Strowger." > > > >I purchased one of these switches. When it arrived, I discovered that > >it did not include the contacts that the wipers wipe across. I > >contacted the seller. He found a set of contacts for me, for an > >additional $5.00 shipping. > > > >A careful re-reading of the original posting indicates that the seller > >did not, in fact, claim that the contacts were included. The text > >description states that the wipers are included, but it doesn't mention > >contacts at all. Only one of the three photographs shows the wipers; a > >careful examination of this photo shows wipers but no contacts, but the > >lighting is such that one has to look very closely to notice this fact. > > > >Under the circumstances, I can't accuse the seller of misrepresenting > >the item. Nevertheless, a Strowger switch without contacts is not a > >complete Strowger switch. So, to anyone contemplating the purchase of > >one of these switches: caveat emptor. > > It's not exactly like you were lied to, just mis-informed :-). > > If you had ever seen a SxS office, you would know how a Strowger > switch was mounted. There are 3 elements to a switch, the switch, the > shelf it mounts in, and the DTA. > > The Shelf includes the contacts and the frame the switch sits in. In > a normal CO, there were 20 switches in a shelf. UPS won't ship > it...something about dimensional weight, let alone the physical > weight. The DTA (distribution and termination assembly?) sat between > the 20 switches on the left and the 20 switches on the right. > Needless to say, that made a LEFT bank and a RIGHT bank. They didn't > interchange. > > If you get lucky, you might be able to find an old 300 PABX site. > Those shelves were much smaller and the Line Finder was wired to a 1st > selector and then a connector (no second selectors etc.). It's a > truck item. The 3rd and best option is to find a test and > verification switch (yeah, right). Those are 2 or 3 switches and will > fit in a 23" rack. > > You might luck into an old stepper in a county or state agency office. > Or try some 3rd world country. > > Good luck. > > Carl Navarro > > P.S. If you're wondering, the dial tone came in a can :-) > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #325 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 15 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #326 Telecom Digest Saturday, December 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 326 In this issue: Re: Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? Re: Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #325 Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Wall wired telephone handset with an off switch ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Dec 2001 07:29:14 -0500 From: "Dominic Richens" Subject: Re: Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? "Shuo Huang" wrote: > Please continue to read this message only if you are familia with the > following document: > The ATM Forum "Circuit Emulation Service Interoperability > Specification" > ITU-T I.363.1 "B-ISDN ATM Adaptation Layer specification: Type 1 > AAL" I've skimmed it a couple of times... > Now I have a very specific question. I really appreciate if you can > answer it. The question is regarding to the format of the Circuit > Emulation format on AAL1 layer. On page 17 of ITU-T I.363.1(08/96), it > says "When the block size value is 1, the SDT protocol generates only > non-P format SAR-PDU payloads, since the preservation of octet > integrity provides the necessary structure boundary information." > > Does this mean that when N=1 the SDT will always use the "Partially > filled cell method" described in section 2.5.2.5 on page 23? N=1!? N is the number of data octets in each PDU. So yes, N=1 would result in every cell being partially filled. In every implementation AAL1 I have looked at in detail (for voice or Nx64 CES) the non-P format (i.e. single cell) has been used, with N=47, that is using all 47 bytes in each cell. > It seems that the document I.363.1 does not define clearly for N=1 > case. Does this help? (P.S. try comp.dcom.cell-relay for ATM stuff). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 13:40:20 -0500 From: shuo.huang@fibre.com (Shuo Huang) Subject: Re: Anybody familia with AAL1 SDT? "Dominic Richens" wrote in message news:<9vcrah$3e4$1@bcarh8ab.ca.nortel.com>... > "Shuo Huang" wrote: > > Please continue to read this message only if you are familia with the > > following document: > > The ATM Forum "Circuit Emulation Service Interoperability > > Specification" > > ITU-T I.363.1 "B-ISDN ATM Adaptation Layer specification: Type 1 > > AAL" > > I've skimmed it a couple of times... > > > Now I have a very specific question. I really appreciate if you can > > answer it. The question is regarding to the format of the Circuit > > Emulation format on AAL1 layer. On page 17 of ITU-T I.363.1(08/96), it > > says "When the block size value is 1, the SDT protocol generates only > > non-P format SAR-PDU payloads, since the preservation of octet > > integrity provides the necessary structure boundary information." > > > > Does this mean that when N=1 the SDT will always use the "Partially > > filled cell method" described in section 2.5.2.5 on page 23? > > N=1!? N is the number of data octets in each PDU. So yes, N=1 would result > in every cell being partially filled. In every implementation AAL1 I have > looked at in detail (for voice or Nx64 CES) the non-P format (i.e. single > cell) has been used, with N=47, that is using all 47 bytes in each cell. > > > It seems that the document I.363.1 does not define clearly for N=1 > > case. > > Does this help? > > (P.S. try comp.dcom.cell-relay for ATM stuff). Hi Dominic, I disagree with your state that there is one octet in a cell if N=1. Actually for DS1 a superframe has 24 frames thus one cell contains 24 data bytes for a SUPERFRAME, not for a frame. If N=47 the total data octets in a PDU for a superframe will be 47x24=1128, and should be in 24 cells if in basic SDT mode. If in SDT with CAS mode there will be 47/2=24 more octets added to the PDU as well as additional added octets for pointers (one every 8 cells). My point was, for N=1 do we always use one cell to carry 24 data octets and 1 signaling octet (although only half is used) in a cell and leave the rest room of the cell empty? Thanks for directing me to a better place to post. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 14:55:20 -0500 From: Charles.B.Wilber@Dartmouth.EDU (Charles B. Wilber) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #325 - --- Alistair Gale wrote: Isn't a DMS-500 a combined CLEC/Carrier switch: I.e a switch with DMS-100 (end office), 200 (tandem), 250 (LD carrier) and maybe 300 (gateway) software features? That ain't no PBX, even if you have Centrex SOCs turned on. - --- end of quote --- Alistair, >From the Nortel description of the DMS-500: "The DMS-500 Local and Long Distance Switch is a DMS SuperNode application that combines local services of the DMS-100 switch, toll and operator services of the DMS-100/200 Traffic Operator Position System (TOPS), and long distance services of the DMS-250 switch. In addition to the trunk connections supported by the DMS-250, the DMS-500 delivers all line types currently supported by the DMS-100 system for residential and business applications. The DMS-500 is a total solution with one of the industry's most application-rich portfolios of carrier services loaded with major capabilities that are market-ready today. These include local services, long distance services, call center services, operator services, and data services. And, as part of the Nortel Networks Succession Solutions plan, the DMS-500 is uniquely positioned for the evolution to data-centric communications." My apologies if I used the wrong terminology. Charlie Wilber Dartmouth College - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 16:34:00 -0500 From: George Rapp Subject: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Greetings, telecom gurus ... Some co-workers of mine who are staying in Maine have just had a new phone charge levied on them by their hotel manager. I want to know if this is a common practice and if it's legal, and what their recourse is if this isn't kosher. On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing calls. This includes calling card and toll-free (800/888/877/866) numbers. The odd thing was that he didn't bother to tell his guests when they checked in, or to inform his long-term guests about the change that was put in place *during their stay*. Two of my folks got charged USD$75 and USD$50 at the end of a 2-week stay because they spent quite a bit of time on-line, dialed into a toll-free number that my company maintains for travelers. He claims that the charge was imposed on him by Verizon, but that seems preposterous to me on a toll-free call. Can this guy arbitrarily levy phone charges without notice? Do we have any recourse, other than taking our business elsewhere? Thanks. George - -- George Rapp (Columbus, OH) Go 'Huskers!!! Home: gwr@novia.net ICQ: 14583674 AIM: gwrboing Work: george.rapp@eds.com (or) george.rapp@dfas.mil Why are there interstate highways in Hawaii? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 17:31:46 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins In <3c1a6a95$0$15099$45beb828@newscene.com> George Rapp writes: [lots snipped, comments interspersed] >On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >(800/888/877/866) numbers. >Can this guy arbitrarily levy phone charges without notice? Do >we have any recourse, other than taking our business elsewhere? In most areas of teh country the answer is yes, the hotel can charge what they want even for things that (you think) should be "free". As a similar example, they can charge you $8.50 for your room service hamburger. Or, getting back to telecom, charge you $0.75/minute for a direct dialed long distance call (non 1-800) to Nebraska. There _may_ be a "consumer affairs" type business complaint in that the charges weren't pre-advised nor listed anywhere obvious. That will vary from locality to locality. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 20:33:37 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins >On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >(800/888/877/866) numbers. This is obnoxious, but it's not uncommon. More often they give you 30 or 60 minutes before the meter starts. But there's always a card near the phone or in the guest services folder in the desk that says what the rates are. >The odd thing was that he didn't bother to tell his guests when >they checked in, or to inform his long-term guests about the >change that was put in place *during their stay*. That's a bit much, and is arguably fraudulent. Assuming the bill in question was charged to a credit card, I'd protest that part of the bill and say (assuming it's true) that the phone charges were way in excess of the posted prices. A copy of the letter to the state Attorney General wouldn't hurt. Hotels seem to be in a race to have the most stupid, customer-hostile, counter-productive phone charges. They should be paying under 5 cpm for outgoing calls anywhere in the country. If they charged the guests, say, 10 or 12 cpm with no obnoxious surcharges, people would just use the phone and not engage in elaborate 800 dialarounds. And they'd still be marking up the calls 100% or more and making money. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Dec 2001 21:28:53 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins >From 'John R. Levine' : >Hotels seem to be in a race to have the most stupid, customer-hostile, >counter-productive phone charges. They should be paying under 5 cpm >for outgoing calls anywhere in the country. If they charged the >guests, say, 10 or 12 cpm with no obnoxious surcharges, people would >just use the phone and not engage in elaborate 800 dialarounds. And >they'd still be marking up the calls 100% or more and making money. Five words... Verizon Wireless National Single-Rate. That's what I use when travelling; the fiancee uses Sprint PCS (also on a plan with no long distance charges, and you don't ever get charged roaming while on their network); and all of the other major carriers have national no-long-distance, no-roaming plans. Screw the hotels. I'll give the cellular companies the money long before I'll give the money to the hotels. They can have the money for the room. I refuse to pay extra for the phone calls, especially with wireless airtime packages costing as little as 8-10 cents per minute. - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO ICQ: 56972932/WebDude216 website: http://JustThe.net email: sjsobol@JustThe.net phone: 216.619.2NET postal: 5686 Davis Drive, Mentor On The Lake, OH 44060-2752 DalNet: ZX-2 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2001 00:34:30 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins On 14 Dec 2001 21:28:53 -0500, sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) wrote: >Five words... Verizon Wireless National Single-Rate. Agreed on Verizon. :) I normally don't use hotel room phones at all anymore except for room-to-room calls -- and Internet access at hotels with no high-speed access. Cell phones that support Internet access, with their extremely latent (500ms ping to first hop -- yuck!) 14.4 connections, just aren't good for much more than email and ssh. :( Of course, for the most part, the less expensive the room, the less expensive the calls. That said, phone charges don't stop me from getting 3- and 4-star rooms cheap on priceline.com; the savings on the rooms more than covers the cost of the calls. ;) - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2001 02:00:26 -0500 From: bellaire@tk.com (James Bellaire) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins It was 15 Dec 2001 00:34:30 -0500, and Stanley Cline wrote: | Cell phones that support Internet access, with their | extremely latent (500ms ping to first hop -- yuck!) | 14.4 connections, just aren't good for much more than | email and ssh. :( I've been using mine to remote control servers (over the Verizon "Quick 2 Net") and machines via pcAnywhere on private modems. I've noticed that in both cases the speed of the machine is more important than the speed of the modem. My 400mhz notebook is OK, the 800mhz is a real cooker even at 14.4 on the cellphone. I've been using XP and the terminal server client on this link and it is almost live. Certainly not the "click and go get a sandwitch return and wait" speeds that one associated with 14.4 on wired modems. And Verizon is working on 28.8 and faster ... Simple web pages are fine, and since the cost comes out of the 3500 or more minutes and not an additional fee I'd rather connect the notebook than use MobileWeb. One day wired phones will catch up to wireless prices. We can only hope. James Bellaire http://telecomindiana.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2001 04:58:18 -0500 From: Don Saklad Subject: Wall wired telephone handset with an off switch What manufacturers wall wired telephone has an off switch on the handset so it doesn't have to be returned to the base?... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #326 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 16 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #327 Telecom Digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 327 In this issue: Does anyone have any complaints about USLEC or had any problems with their service? Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Dec 2001 20:20:14 -0500 From: t7576524883@hotmail.com (William Phelps) Subject: Does anyone have any complaints about USLEC or had any problems with their service? Recently our company has had some problems with USLEC (a CLEC in Verizon territory) and their service. From the nature of our problems, we believe that we are not alone. If anyone else has had such problems, please email your experiences to the following address. uslnuport.com -- nonspammers replace the with @ We will update anyone who responds, with the outcome of our situation. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2001 22:57:12 -0500 From: "John C. Sanders" Subject: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to sleep. Thanks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Dec 2001 23:31:38 -0500 From: Jered Floyd Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? "John C. Sanders" writes: > Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on > the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that > wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? Pardon me if I'm missing something here, but what's wrong with simply unplugging the phone at night, and plugging it back in at dawn? - --Jered - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 00:38:06 -0500 From: phobos Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Jered Floyd wrote: >"John C. Sanders" writes: > >> Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on >> the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that >> wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > >Pardon me if I'm missing something here, but what's wrong with simply >unplugging the phone at night, and plugging it back in at dawn? Or even just turning off the ringer? - -- Greg phobos@quik.com http://houston.quik.com/phobos - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 02:02:27 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Don't know about the answering machine, but if it's an old WE Ma Bell phone, he could disconnect the ringer in the phone, and use a relay driven by a wall wart plugged into an electric 24 hour timer (the kind you see at hardware stores, electromechanical type) programmed to switch the relay to cut out the ringer circuit in the phone. The relay and wall wart should be obtainable at radio shack. Requires a bit of soldering though. "John C. Sanders" wrote: > Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on > the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that > wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > > His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in > the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He > can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with > his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to > sleep. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 04:48:12 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins > George Rapp wrote: >> On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >> to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >> calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >> (800/888/877/866) numbers. "John R. Levine" wrote: > This is obnoxious, but it's not uncommon. More often they give you 30 > or 60 minutes before the meter starts. But there's always a card near > the phone or in the guest services folder in the desk that says what > the rates are. I thought there was some federal rule that said 800/8xx numbers are "sacred" and must be strictly free. Otherwise, why did the FCC impose a COCOT-owner-compensation fee on 800/8xx calls rather than simply let the payphone owner charge the caller as if it were a local call? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #327 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 17 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #328 Telecom Digest Monday, December 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 328 In this issue: Re: Wall wired telephone handset with an off switch Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes Re: FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes NPAs that are entirely local Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers... NYC ones, was: Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: NPAs that are entirely local Anybody using Bigmouth anymore? Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins R2 Compelled Vs Non-Compelled Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Dec 2001 06:35:41 -0500 From: jayb@aol.com (Jay B) Subject: Re: Wall wired telephone handset with an off switch You could add a miniature toggle switch to a trimline style wall phone, all the works are in the phone, use the switch to open L1 or L2, bridge open line with capacitor for monitor type function, similar to butt in... jay >Subject: Wall wired telephone handset with an off switch >From: Don Saklad dsaklad@nestle.ai.mit.edu >Date: 12/15/01 3:58 AM Central Standard Time >Message-id: > >What manufacturers wall wired telephone has an off switch on the > handset so it doesn't have to be returned to the base?... >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > > > > > > > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 12:21:43 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? At 06:15 AM 12/16/2001, Telecom Digest wrote: >Telecom Digest Sunday, December 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 327 > >Date: 15 Dec 2001 22:57:12 -0500 >From: "John C. Sanders" >Subject: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? > >Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on >the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that >wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > >His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in >the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He >can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with >his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to >sleep. Just turn off the ringer in your phones. I know of someone who does this every night, then turns the ringers back on in the morning. >End of Telecom Digest V2001 #327 >******************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 13:14:49 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins On 16 Dec 2001 04:48:12 -0500, John David Galt wrote: >I thought there was some federal rule that said 800/8xx numbers are >"sacred" and must be strictly free. Otherwise, why did the FCC impose >a COCOT-owner-compensation fee on 800/8xx calls rather than simply let >the payphone owner charge the caller as if it were a local call? 0+/toll-free calls made from hotel phones are *NOT* eligible for payphone compensation -- only calls from true payphones, coin or coinless. (That said, there was one hotel in the metro New Orleans area I stayed at a couple of years ago [before I had a cell plan that included N.O. as "home" airtime] where the ANI of the hotel room PBX trunks somehow became that of a payphone in the lobby, and I found payphone surcharges on my toll-free/calling card bill. I never complained to the FCC or LPSC about it, either. I've stayed at other hotels of the same brand since then and the problem has never come up again, so it seems to be an isolated incident.) The only rule I know of that apply to hotel room phones is that a hotel cannot charge more to reach a carrier other than the default 0+ carrier the hotel selects. Therefore, the same rates that apply to 8xx numbers also apply to 0+ calls as well. Rates for local, billed to room, etc. calls are completely unregulated; hotels can charge as much or as little as possible. (That said, two other generalizations: 1) in general, the cheaper the hotel, the cheaper the calls; 2) most name-brand hotels of all quality/price levels have quit using AOSleaze for default 0+ and have gone back to the major carriers, usually AT&T; some smaller independent hotels still use them, though.) - -SC, frequent traveler :) - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 14:23:26 -0500 From: wb8foz@panix.com (David Lesher) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Note that one {alleged} upper class chain {?Hilton?} dropped all the 800 surcharges after it became the #1 complaint they received from their core customer group, business{wo}men. I had a friend come to DC and be put up a similar hotel for a wedding. The 800 rape was only part of it; local calls were charged per-minute [DC local calling is /call, and flat for resi -- it may be the only NPA that is ONLY local.] and they charged you $0.40 a day for MacPaper, unless you explicitly declined same. In general, this is all part of an overall "revenue enhancement" plan for the hotel. Just encountered another -- leave a pre-paid, ready to go FedEx/UPS at the Hyatt & get nicked $7.50 to allow Fedex to pick same up. I carried my friend's box 2 blocks to the counter instead. - -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 15:33:53 -0500 From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich) Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins In article <9vdsft$j5r$1@panix2.panix.com>, dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote: >In <3c1a6a95$0$15099$45beb828@newscene.com> George Rapp writes: > >[lots snipped, comments interspersed] > >>On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >>to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >>calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >>(800/888/877/866) numbers. > >>Can this guy arbitrarily levy phone charges without notice? Do >>we have any recourse, other than taking our business elsewhere? > >In most areas of teh country the answer is yes, the hotel can charge what >they want even for things that (you think) should be "free". As a similar >example, they can charge you $8.50 for your room service hamburger. Or, >getting back to telecom, charge you $0.75/minute for a direct dialed long >distance call (non 1-800) to Nebraska. > >There _may_ be a "consumer affairs" type business complaint in that the >charges weren't pre-advised nor listed anywhere obvious. That will vary from >locality to locality. A deceptive-business-practices complaint seems the opbvious way to go. Even though many form contracts include an "offer subject to change without notice" bit, that's usually held to mean before the contract has actually been executed. This kind of shenanigans is getting more common, it seems. I stayed in a hotel in New Canaan, CT, whose in-room information packet listed a charge of 75 cents for local calls, which seemed outrageous enough until checkout time, when the desk informed us that, no, it was a typo, and was supposed to read "75 cents per minute". paul - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 17:57:59 -0500 From: Paul Gloger Subject: FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes The US FCC is reportedly here allowing for states to assign new area codes specifically for use of new technologies such as cell phones. This is a dramatic and highly significant reversal of previous policy, which held that such assignments would be discriminatory against new services. - --------------------------------------------- http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011214/tc/wireless_area_codes_1.html Yahoo! News Technology - Associated Press Friday December 14 6:49 PM ET States Can Add Cell Phone Area Codes WASHINGTON (AP) - States may seek new area codes exclusively for cell phones and pagers now that the government has lifted a ban on the practice, hoping to address the pressing demand for telephone numbers. Area codes have multiplied to cope with the explosion in technology - the separate lines for computers, cell phones, faxes and pagers. Regions have responded to the demand by splitting up area codes among geographic areas or laying another area code over an existing one. The Federal Communications Commission (news - web sites) banned such "overlays" dedicated to specific kinds of technology in 1996. The agency enacted the ban because it considered separate area codes for cell phones and pagers unfair to wireless companies - people would have to dial 10 digits instead of seven to reach wireless customers. But states including California, Massachusetts and Ohio have been asking for ways to prevent existing area codes from running out of phone numbers, the agency said. The commission will now hear proposals from states on how they intend to conserve area codes on a case-by-case basis, including plans to use technology-specific area codes. "Allowing states such flexibility in how to address numbering issues is crucial," FCC (news - web sites) Commissioner Kevin Martin said in a statement. "The states are on the front lines of this battle." The FTC voted 4-0 on Wednesday to lift the ban. Wireless companies have opposed the device-specific area codes as inconvenient. "The wireless industry is acutely aware of the need for additional numbers," said Tom Wheeler, president of the Cellular Telecommunications and Internet Association, the industry's top lobbying group. "But as we bring new services and new choices to consumers, we must not punish them with onerous or discriminatory requirements such as 10-digit dialing." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 18:13:12 -0500 From: 73115.1041@compuserve.com Subject: Re: FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes Paul Gloger wrote: >WASHINGTON (AP) - States may seek new area codes exclusively for cell >phones and pagers now that the government has lifted a ban on the >practice, hoping to address the pressing demand for telephone numbers. Wow. This opens the door to national rate caller pay cell numbers at a reasonable price. It's about time. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:07:18 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: NPAs that are entirely local In article <9visba$j9h$1@panix1.panix.com>, David Lesher wrote: > [DC local calling is /call, and flat for resi -- it may be the only > NPA that is ONLY local.] Not at all. There are several NPAs that have only local calling within them. I'm fairly sure of these, but I'm even more sure that someone will point out any errors or omissions. This list is not "authoritative" by any means. ENTIRELY LOCAL: 213: downtown Los Angeles 323: downtown Los Angeles (all calls within/between 213 & 323) 312: downtown Chicago 414: Milwaukee 404: Atlanta 770: Atlanta 678: Atlanta (all calls within/between 404/770/678) 212, 646: Manhattan 602: Phoenix 480: Phoenix 623: Phoenix (all calls within/between 602/480/623) 612: Minneapolis 954: Ft. Lauderdale 617: Boston 416, 647: Toronto 514: Montreal 313: Detroit 210: San Antonio POSSIBLY: 718, 347, 917: NYC 914: Westchester County NY (just north of NYC) 516: Nassau County NY (western Long Island) 206: Seattle 412: Pittsburgh 314: St. Louis 713: downtown Houston 858: north San Diego suburbs 727: St Petersburg FL 813: Tampa FL 562: Long Beach CA 778: concentrated overlay for Vancouver BC 702: Las Vegas 316: Wichita KS ALMOST BUT NOT QUITE: 214, 972, 469: Dallas (Dallas to Waxahachie) 817, 682: Fort Worth (western exurbs) 303, 720: Denver (all local to downtown, but not one extreme to opposite?) COMING SOON: 801: Salt Lake City (after 385 splits off) Area code 214 has the distinction of having once been entirely local, but now having toll calls. At the time of the original 214/972 split, 214 was only the downtown core, but the split line was later erased and converted to an overlay. Some 214 prefixes have now been assigned to rate centers that are not local to downtown Dallas. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:30:37 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers... Not specifically telecom related (not by a long shot, actually!): I stayed at a Day's Inn motel in a small town in Western Washington this weekend. My wife had found a great room rate over the 'net but when we checked in one of the little scraps of paper I received from the desk clerk was a "notice" (in about 6 point type) stating that "for my convenience the motel would add a $1.09 charge per day to account for the fact that they had installed a safe in the room". It also stated that if I'd prefer, they would remove that charge at check out time. Well, guess what? For my convenience, I preferred to ask for my money back! The clerk gladly removed the charge. Let's see... That dollar nine will get me coffee on the way to work tomorrow! Keeping me honest here's the tie to Telecomm: When we checked, in a small area around the hotel was suffering through a power outage. Our room (on the second floor) was dark and cold but the telephone worked! I should have paid better attention to what system it was (some sort of weird thing) but I didn't. The telephone set had a modem jack on the back and about a dozen feature keys. These keys were labeled with words like "Casual Dining", "Fine Dining", "Nightlife" and the like. Then there was a tiny, tiny caption at the bottom of the dialpad saying something like "Keys above not functional" Sure enough! They didn't do anything! Al ! Paul Wallich wrote in message news:20011216203234.7AB6E3ACA6@panix.com... > In article <9vdsft$j5r$1@panix2.panix.com>, dannyb@panix.com (danny > burstein) wrote: > > >In <3c1a6a95$0$15099$45beb828@newscene.com> George Rapp writes: > > > >[lots snipped, comments interspersed] > > > >>On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided > >>to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing > >>calls. This includes calling card and toll-free > >>(800/888/877/866) numbers. > > > >>Can this guy arbitrarily levy phone charges without notice? Do > >>we have any recourse, other than taking our business elsewhere? > > > >In most areas of teh country the answer is yes, the hotel can charge what > >they want even for things that (you think) should be "free". As a similar > >example, they can charge you $8.50 for your room service hamburger. Or, > >getting back to telecom, charge you $0.75/minute for a direct dialed long > >distance call (non 1-800) to Nebraska. > > > >There _may_ be a "consumer affairs" type business complaint in that the > >charges weren't pre-advised nor listed anywhere obvious. That will vary from > >locality to locality. > > A deceptive-business-practices complaint seems the opbvious way to go. > Even though many form contracts include an "offer subject to change without > notice" bit, that's usually held to mean before the contract has actually > been executed. This kind of shenanigans is getting more common, it seems. > I stayed in a hotel in New Canaan, CT, whose in-room information packet > listed a charge of 75 cents for local calls, which seemed outrageous enough > until checkout time, when the desk informed us that, no, it was a typo, and > was supposed to read "75 cents per minute". > > paul > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:39:29 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: NYC ones, was: Re: NPAs that are entirely local [lots snipped throughout] >Not at all. There are several NPAs that have only local calling >within them. I'm fairly sure of these, but I'm even more sure that >someone will point out any errors or omissions. This list is not >"authoritative" by any means. >ENTIRELY LOCAL: >212, 646: Manhattan >POSSIBLY: >718, 347, 917: NYC regarding the four NYC area codes, (212) (646) (718) (347): These are land-area/rate center based. With two exceptions, all calls within them, whether to the same area code or one of the others, is treated as a "local" call. NOTE: in NYC for the vast majority of customers a "local" call is: residential: approx $0.15 per call, then untimed business: something like $0.10/call, then $0.01/minute (some residential folk opt for the timed rates because the monthly service charge is lower. So if you make very few outgoing calls, it may be the better choice). The two exceptions: a) Staten Island, one of the five boroughs of NYC and which is area codes 718 and 347 for landlines, has a lower cost option for calls that remain in that borough. The flip side is you pay timed rates to the rest of the city. Quite a few folk out there have chosen this plan. b) a small number of people (very small...) have true flat rate service grandfathered in from <1965 or so. the flip side there is that the local calling area is very narrow, and calls to the rest of the city are timed. "Area code" 917 is messed up. It's primarily used for cell phones and pagers but as 212 filled up (and prior to the establishment of 646) some traditional landline phones were given it. afaik that's not happening any longer. The bigger problem with it is that the rate center for the phone (if cellular) can be the main part of the city, *or* it can be Staten Island. So people from Staten Island calling a cellphone may.. or may not.. get hit for the off-borough charges. btw, new NYC cellphones, depending on carrier, may get 917, 646 or 718. They *don't* get 212. I'd imagine they could get 347 but I haven't run into any. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:48:40 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local Linc Madison writes: > 416, 647: Toronto This is another "all calls within/between" case. 416 was all-local when 647 was overlaid on it, and the boundaries have not changed. - -- Mark Brader | "The net exists to be used. It is a powerful tool msb@vex.net | and as long as people treat it as a tool and not a toy Toronto | it will prosper." --Jerry Schwarz on Usenet, 1982 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:53:58 -0500 From: "Jonathan Perry" Subject: Anybody using Bigmouth anymore? Is anybody using BigmOuth (from defunct Talking Technologies) software and Powerline1 hardware for telephone message management? It looks like it is still the cheapest (well, if you already have one) solution that actually can respond to call progress. I am stuck running it under DOS, and could use some help getting the LOADTOOL functionality to work, if anybody knows how (from the Programmer's Toolkit). Is there anything better for hobby use, preferably under Win9x? From what I understand, the mass market modem vendors just use the default Microsoft-provided TSP, that does not support call progress features (dial tone detection, busy signal, etc.) under TAPI, despite the fact that the modem hardware can do so. And the vendors that write their own TSP want a lot of money. oney. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 19:58:49 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Followup to: <9visba$j9h$1@panix1.panix.com> By author: wb8foz@nrk.com (David Lesher) In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > Note that one {alleged} upper class chain {?Hilton?} dropped all > the 800 surcharges after it became the #1 complaint they received > from their core customer group, business{wo}men. > The worst I've seen was the Westin Hotel Ottawa, which had some outrageous fee ($0.10/min or so) to call 800 numbers etc after the first hour. It seemed clearly designed to screw over modem users... -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 22:35:03 -0500 From: umesh_uv@yahoo.com (Umesh) Subject: R2 Compelled Vs Non-Compelled Hi All, Can anyone tell me the advantages/disadvantages of using compelled/non-compelled signaling in R2. Can anybody suggest me a site where I can find country specific variations for different countries. - -thanks in advance, Umesh. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Dec 2001 23:46:27 -0500 From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local In article , Linc Madison wrote: >In article <9visba$j9h$1@panix1.panix.com>, David Lesher > wrote: > >> [DC local calling is /call, and flat for resi -- it may be the only >> NPA that is ONLY local.] > >Not at all. There are several NPAs that have only local calling >within them. I'm fairly sure of these, but I'm even more sure that >someone will point out any errors or omissions. This list is not >"authoritative" by any means. > >ENTIRELY LOCAL: >... 216: Cleveland and some close-in suburbs. ISTR that 401 (Rhode Island) is also all-local, but my R is hazy. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 00:09:32 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? On 15 Dec 2001 22:57:12 -0500, "John C. Sanders" wrote: >Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on >the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that >wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > >His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in >the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He >can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with >his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to >sleep. Tell him to turn off the ringer on his phone and let the answering machine get it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 00:12:23 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins On 16 Dec 2001 04:48:12 -0500, John David Galt wrote: >> George Rapp wrote: >>> On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >>> to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >>> calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >>> (800/888/877/866) numbers. > >"John R. Levine" wrote: >> This is obnoxious, but it's not uncommon. More often they give you 30 >> or 60 minutes before the meter starts. But there's always a card near >> the phone or in the guest services folder in the desk that says what >> the rates are. > >I thought there was some federal rule that said 800/8xx numbers are >"sacred" and must be strictly free. Otherwise, why did the FCC impose >a COCOT-owner-compensation fee on 800/8xx calls rather than simply let >the payphone owner charge the caller as if it were a local call? If that's the case then many of the upper crust hotels such as Sheraton, Wyndham and other toney hotels are in violation. And I've seen somewhere (can't remember where) that not only are coin phones charge the receiver for "toll-free", but also hotel phones and college dormitories. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 01:26:09 -0500 From: Stanley Cline Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins On 17 Dec 2001 00:12:23 -0500, Joseph Singer wrote: >seen somewhere (can't remember where) that not only are coin phones >charge the receiver for "toll-free", but also hotel phones and college >dormitories. ONLY owners of *PAYPHONES* can receive payphone compensation! Hotels and dorms CANNOT -- so payphone surcharges should never apply to calls placed from such phones. http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Common_Carrier/Orders/1996/fcc96439.txt "We clarify that this definition of "payphone" excludes from the compensation mechanism phones in hotel rooms, dormitory rooms, or hospital rooms." - -SC - -- Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/ ... "Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today. There might be a law against it by that time." -/usr/games/fortune - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #328 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 18 Dec 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #329 Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 329 In this issue: Re: NPAs that are entirely local REVIEW: "Internet and World Wide Web How to Program", H. M. Deitel/P. J. Deitel/T. R. Nieto Telecom Update (Canada) #313, December 17, 2001 Re: NPAs that are entirely local Looking for surplus ADC equipment Stromberg DCO Switches available Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #328 Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: NPAs that are entirely local software stack for H.324M Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: NPAs that are entirely local Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? Re: NPAs that are entirely local ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Dec 2001 09:37:59 -0500 From: nobody@rutgers.rutgers.edu (David W. Tamkin) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local Linc Madison wrote in : | ENTIRELY LOCAL: | 312: downtown Chicago Nope. 312 has a couple dozen cellular prefixes -- presumably all predating the 708 split in 1989, but I'm far from sure -- rated out of Northbrook, Wheeling, Roselle (more likely Schaumburg, really), or Hinsdale that are toll from landlines in 312 proper, plus some rated from LaGrange, which I'd expect to be B-band from locations in 312 proper, and it's arguable whether to deem B-band calls "toll" or not. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 11:16:04 -0500 From: "Rob, grandpa of Ryan, Trevor, Devon & Hannah" Subject: REVIEW: "Internet and World Wide Web How to Program", H. M. Deitel/P. J. Deitel/T. R. Nieto BKIWWWHP.RVW 20000420 "Internet and World Wide Web How to Program", H. M. Deitel/P. J. Deitel/T. R. Nieto, 2000, 0-13-016143-8, U$67.33 %A H. M. Deitel deitel@deitel.com %A P. J. Deitel deitel@deitel.com %A T. R. Nieto deitel@deitel.com %C One Lake St., Upper Saddle River, NJ 07458 %D 2000 %G 0-13-016143-8 %I Prentice Hall %O U$67.33 +1-201-236-7139 fax: +1-201-236-7131 %P 1157 p. + CD-ROM %T "Internet and World Wide Web How to Program" Deitel and Deitel have made a name for themselves, and obtained a commanding presence in the programming textbook market. Their books are generally well structured, in terms of advancing through the material in such a way that the student is able to progressively add to his or her arsenal of skills. Unfortunately, the books are not always as careful about the specific contents of the text. This material is rather heavily dependent upon Microsoft products. The book comes with Internet Explorer and FrontPage Express on the CD-ROM, and examples use the Microsoft versions. This is acceptable in a work which is, after all, intended to take students through a course of study and wants to minimize the variations in environment. However, while there is mention of the fact that browsers, and even versions of the scripting languages, may vary, this does not appear to be pointed out in practice through the book. Chapters one and two are very simplistic introductions first to computers in general, and then to the Internet and World Wide Web. The presentation of HTML (HyperText Markup Language) that is given in chapters three and four is clear enough for the basic operations, but emphasizes stylistic elements over functional ones. Complications are brushed aside, as when forms are proposed with a not-yet-covered Perl script, rather than the more accessible mailto function that students could use right away. Three commercial products are promoted in chapters five to seven. Chapter eight begins instruction in JavaScript programming. Unfortunately, some important points are mentioned tersely, or not at all. Having seen a number of examples of HTML in the previous material, we are suddenly confronted with a DOCTYPE statement, and no idea of why or how it may be needed. There is a brief reference to the fact that these initial scripts are being created in document headers and a promise that inline scripts will be covered later, but no explanation or specifics. Server side programming is not reported. Again, formatting of material is presented earlier, and in more detail, than more substantive commands like window.prompt and parseInt. The material is definitely presented in a field independent manner, which makes it easy to get started producing programs, but quite difficult to understand what is actually going on. For example, although the terms are used correctly, there is no discussion of the differences between keywords, object, methods, and functions. Therefore, novice readers may misunderstand, for example, the assertion that keywords never have capital letters since built in functions quite clearly do. Still, the text does not assume any prior familiarity with programming, and touches on, albeit lightly, a number of basic and important concepts. Chapters nine and ten deal with control structures. (Occasionally the book disregards its own advice: while earlier material stressed the importance of aligning indentation for nested statements, the sample code for labeled breaks is very confusing.) Functions are illustrated in chapter eleven. Once again a limitation in prior material presents a problem: the ability of a form to call a script as action is passed over too briefly. (There is also a typo in the one reference to help in chapter fourteen: it's in sixteen.) Chapter twelve takes a fairly standard look at arrays. The talk of objects in chapter thirteen may be misleading: it is only specific JavaScript object methods (commands or operations) that are discussed, and not object-oriented programming as such. It should also be noted that, despite the number of topics covered, this section overall is really only an introduction to JavaScript. Variations between JavaScript 1.0, 1.1, 1.2, ECMAscript, and Microsoft's JScript get such scant mention that one might as well say that they are not covered at all. Internals of the language, and inconsistencies in behaviour of variables and operators, are not presented either. Readers will be able to start generating simple "active" content on Web pages, but only at a level that could be duplicated by other methods. Dynamic HTML (aka DHTML) starts with Cascading Style Sheets (CSS) in chapter fourteen. The notion of the Object Model, in fifteen, may be confusing. It begins with a reference to changing a P element, and is the first mention of a paragraph element having any attributes. (Understanding of the point is not assisted by the very terse introduction of the P element back in chapter three, and the inconsistent use of the closing tag.) There is also no discussion of the use of more basic technologies to accomplish, for example, timed changing of pages. Chapter sixteen's promised Event Model really only lists the events that can be used to trigger an action. Filters likewise are a list of graphic effects in chapter seventeen. Chapters eighteen to twenty describe some ActiveX controls for data, graphics, and animation. A variety of multimedia (and other) programs are suggested in chapter twenty one. Chapter twenty two introduces VBScript very briefly, starting with the differences between JavaScript and VBScript, looking at some string functions, and then wandering into a confusing look at object-orientation. Electronic commerce and security is covered mostly in terms of press releases in chapter twenty three. Details are few: the discussion of shopping carts doesn't mention cookies, the secion on auctions doesn't mention fraud, and Authenticode is stated to be reliable. Chapter twenty four gives detailed instructions on two Microsoft Web servers, along with a brief mention of those others that have the majority of the market. Database access is discussed in chapter twenty five. The material on Active Server Pages (ASP), in chapter twenty six, concentrates on example scripts, and does not explain either the basic concepts or the security weaknesses of the system. There is a rather slapdash introduction to Perl, and a brief mention of CGI (Common Gateway Interface) in chapter twenty seven. Chapter twenty eight looks at XML (Extensible Markup Language) but even if you know SGML it doesn't explain much. Some samples of Java servlets and cookies are included in chapter twenty nine. The primary target audience for this book is college courses or self- study for programmers. The questions, both self-review and other exercises) are therefore fairly important to the work. Unfortunately, the practice sessions are weak. The questions are, for the most part, simplistic and serve primarily to determine whether the student has read the material, not whether it has been understood at any depth. Still, these may be useful as review, as are the collections of tips and common errors at the end of each chapter. It is also disappointing to find that the book has no command reference for the programming sections, although there are summary lists in various sections. This book does touch on a number of Web programming topics, although touch seems to be the operative word. Instructors would be well advised to go through the material for themselves, first, and be certain they have identified the traps and errors. copyright Robert M. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 11:17:42 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #313, December 17, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 313: December 17, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** We're Taking a Holiday ** Budget Kills National Broadband Plan ** BCE Pushes Cost-Cutting... ...Plans Asset Sales ...Seeks to Restructure Intrigna ...Expects Turnaround in 2002 ** Teleglobe Global Net Near Completion ** Contribution Drops in 2002 ** Ottawa to Restrict Internet TV ** Supreme Court to Hear Bell Equity Appeal ** Roth Blames Chandran ** FCC to Allow Technology Overlays ** Motorola to Exit Paging Business ** C-Com Offers Satellite Internet Hubs ** Look Creditors Okay Restructuring ** Ex-Bell Exec to Head Aliant Telecom ** Competitors Seek Price Cap Extension ** New Regime for Independent Telcos ** CRTC Refuses to Limit Evidence ** Telus Supports AT&T in Surrey Dispute ** SaskTel, Telus Accept Lower Loop Charges ** Macdonald Resigns Leitch Presidency ** Who Put the "Con" in Convergence? ============================================================ WE'RE TAKING A HOLIDAY: Telecom Update is taking a winter break; our next issue will be published Monday, January 7. We wish all readers a successful and rewarding New Year. BUDGET KILLS NATIONAL BROADBAND PLAN: In last year's federal election, the Liberal Party promised to "make high-speed broadband Internet access available to residents and businesses in all communities in Canada by 2004." The government's National Broadband Task Force endorsed that goal in June. Last week's federal Budget deferred any action until 2005, effectively killing the project. ** The budget did include funding for the CA*net 4 research network, and extended the Connecting Canadians and Schoolnet programs. BCE PUSHES COST-CUTTING... : At their annual investor conference last Wednesday, BCE executives repeatedly stressed cost cutting as a key objective in 2002. ** Bell Canada President John Sheridan says "productivity improvements" will save up to $500 million. Wireless capital spending will be cut 15%, and the rollout of DSL to new areas will be slowed significantly. Costs will be cut at Aliant by merging key staff functions into Bell Canada. ** Up to 2,000 BCE jobs will be cut, but total employment will not change, as a result of new hires in faster- growing parts of the company. ** BCE will not put additional capital into Teleglobe or Bell Canada International. ... PLANS ASSET SALES: BCE expects to sell several non-core holdings, including BCI and CGI, over the next three years. ... SEEKS TO RESTRUCTURE INTRIGNA: BCE CEO Jean Monty told the conference that the company is negotiating to get more control over Bell Intrigna, its joint venture with Manitoba Tel in the B.C. and Alberta markets. ... EXPECTS TURNAROUND IN 2002: BCE predicts 6%-8% revenue growth in 2002, but this assumes a general economic recovery in the second half of the year. TELEGLOBE GLOBAL NET NEAR COMPLETION: Speaking at the BCE Investor Conference, Teleglobe President Terry Jarman said that the Globesystem network will be completed in the second quarter of 2002, giving the carrier on-net connections in 106 markets worldwide. Final cost: $3.8 billion, less than half of the original budget. CONTRIBUTION DROPS IN 2002: CRTC Order 2001-876 sets the interim 2002 telecom "revenue tax" rate at 1.4% (down from 4.5% in 2001). http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2001/o2001-876.htm OTTAWA TO RESTRICT INTERNET TV: Copyright Act amendments tabled last week by Industry Minister Tobin and Heritage Minister Copps would allow the government to license third parties to retransmit TV broadcasts over the Internet. The rules, similar to those that apply to satellite and cable TV, would require Internet rebroadcasters to pay royalties. SUPREME COURT TO HEAR BELL EQUITY APPEAL: The Canadian Human Rights Tribunal's hearings in a Bell Canada pay equity case will be delayed again. The Supreme Court has agreed to hear Bell's argument that the Tribunal is biased. The Federal Court rejected Bell's argument in May. ** The case, which has been before the Tribunal since 1996, concerns 22,000 female Bell employees who were paid less than men in comparable jobs. ROTH BLAMES CHANDRAN: In a major interview with The Toronto Star, published December 8, former Nortel CEO John Roth says that he wasn't aware that sales had tanked because he had left such matters to his successor, Clarence Chandran. "The fact I'd stepped back from the business to let the new fellow run it reduced my visibility.... I wasn't as deeply involved in the numbers ... because this was my successor and he was going to run the company." ** Chandran, then COO, resigned in March 2001, citing health problems. The Star says it was unable to reach him for comment. FCC TO ALLOW TECHNOLOGY OVERLAYS: The U.S. Federal Communications Commission says it will lift its ban on service- and technology-specific Area Code overlays. This would allow state regulators to assign new Area Codes specifically for wireless service. ** This decision appears to conflict with the FCC's goal of introducing full number portability between wireless and wireline phones. MOTOROLA TO EXIT PAGING BUSINESS: Motorola says it will stop distributing two-way messaging products for ReFlex networks and one-way paging devices in mid-2002, and focus on two-way messaging over cellular networks. C-COM OFFERS SATELLITE INTERNET HUBS: C-Com Satellite Systems now provides remote communities with two-way Internet access hubs, with download speeds up to 4 Mbps, which can serve up to 200 users. LOOK CREDITORS OKAY RESTRUCTURING: 93% of Look Communications' unsecured creditors and 100% of its secured creditors have approved a plan under which they will receive equity in the company in place of debt. Look, which is operating under bankruptcy protection, will now seek court approval. (See Telecom Update #309) ** The CRTC has given conditional approval to the ownership change, with the understanding that Look's new Board will control the company and that neither Telesystem nor Teleglobe have representatives on that Board. EX-BELL EXEC TO HEAD ALIANT TELECOM: Aliant Inc. has named Roch Dube as President of Aliant Telecom and Executive Vice- President of Aliant Inc. Dube is a former Bell Canada executive; most recently he was President and CEO of Connexim, an outsourcing company owned jointly by Bell Canada, Hydro-Québec, and Caisses Desjardins. ** Pierre Brochu, formerly President and CEO of Télébec and Northern Telephone, takes over as President and Chief Executive Officer of Connexim. COMPETITORS SEEK PRICE CAP EXTENSION: AT&T Canada and Call- Net have asked the CRTC to extend the major telcos' existing price cap regime on an interim basis and make telco Utility rates interim, effective January 1. Any later ruling could then be made retroactive. NEW REGIME FOR INDEPENDENT TELCOS: CRTC Decision 2001-756 establishes a price cap regime for 39 small incumbent telcos. They may raise residential local rates by up to $4 on January 1, to a maximum of $22.75. Business rates are to be a minimum of $22.75. Rates may rise annually with inflation. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2001/dt2001-756.htm CRTC REFUSES TO LIMIT EVIDENCE: The CRTC has turned down Toronto's request to have specific municipal access agreements (such as that between AT&T Canada and Toronto) excluded from the record in Public Notice 2001-99. (see Telecom Update #298) http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Decisions/2001/dt2001-753.htm TELUS SUPPORTS AT&T IN SURREY DISPUTE: Telus supports AT&T Canada's request that the CRTC speedily resolve the access dispute between AT&T and the City of Surrey (see Telecom Update #310). SASKTEL, TELUS ACCEPT LOWER LOOP CHARGES: SaskTel and Telus have agreed to the same reduced local loop service charges that were ordered for Bell Canada in November. (see Telecom Update #309) MACDONALD RESIGNS LEITCH PRESIDENCY: John MacDonald has resigned as CEO and President of Toronto-based broadband equipment developer Leitch Technology, effective January 1, 2002. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. lease e-mail rosita@angustel.ca or phone 905-686-5050 ext 500. The information and data included has been obtained from sources which we believe to be reliable, but Angus TeleManagement makes no warranties or representations whatsoever regarding accuracy, completeness, or adequacy. Opinions expressed are based on interpretation of available information, and are subject to change. If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 11:28:35 -0500 From: wb8foz@panix.com (David Lesher) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) writes: >>ENTIRELY LOCAL: >>... >216: Cleveland and some close-in suburbs. 216 may be now, but prior to the 440/330 splits, it was anything but. Lorain, Elyria, Oberlin, Medina, Akron, Geauga, Painesville, etc. were all intraLATA toll. - -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 12:28:17 -0500 From: jay@telexpressinc.com (Jay Dumoulin Telexpress 336-431-4000 ext 233) Subject: Looking for surplus ADC equipment I'm looking for DSX-4h-mbrc's I need 300 ( I can buy many more) dsx-4h-mbrc's . These are the modules which go in the shelf below. So I'm needing DSX-4h-mbrc 120+ at $70 used or $100 new or DSX-4H-24MB-E3C (shelf) 5+ at $1700 used or $2300 new Jay Dumoulin Telexpress 336-431-4000 ext 233 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 12:28:17 -0500 From: jay@telexpressinc.com (Jay Dumoulin Telexpress 336-431-4000 ext 233) Subject: Stromberg DCO Switches available We currently have 4 loaded double bay Stromberg DCO switches sitting in our warehouse, removed from service. I wanted to check if anyone was interested in purchasing them. I can email pictures and a card inventory. Please reply if you are interested. Sincerely, Jay Dumoulin Telexpress, Inc. 336-431-4000 ext 233 jay@telexpressinc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 12:31:24 -0500 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #328 Linc Madison wrote: > > Not at all. There are several NPAs that have only local calling > within them. I'm fairly sure of these, but I'm even more sure that > someone will point out any errors or omissions. This list is not > "authoritative" by any means. > > ... > > COMING SOON: > 801: Salt Lake City (after 385 splits off) I'm beginning to wonder if 385 will ever be split off. When I moved here (Hooper, Utah) a year ago, the split was supposed to happen in January 2001, so I put my "new" phone number 385-985-XXXX on various new-resident documentation (printed checks, dog's ID tag, etc.). Since then, the UPSC has postponed the split *twice* and I'm still in 801. At this rate, I may run out of checks before 385 happens! Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 12:37:30 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local >ISTR that 401 (Rhode Island) is also all-local, but my R is hazy. Nope. The state's so small that it would be sensible for it to be all local but it's not, with some might pricey calls for some mighty short calls. Delaware (302) isn't all local either. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 13:03:45 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local On 16 Dec 2001 23:46:27 -0500, catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) wrote: >ISTR that 401 (Rhode Island) is also all-local, but my R is hazy. When I was there in Rhode Island that was not the case. If you are in Providence you have a wide EAS, but it does not include the whole state. Matter of fact if you're in Warren you cannot call Pawtucket without a toll. It's interesting though that some of the Warren switches such as 401-246 are the same office as 401-433 (East Providence/Riverside), but the 401-433 exchange has Pawtucket as a local call while 401-246 does not. And calling from the Providence area down to Newport or North Kingstown is or was a toll call. Unless Rhode Island has consolidated a lot of rate centres 401 is not entirely local. Providence has local calling to Seekonk, Massachusetts. Matter of fact in the directory it's referred to as the Providence-Seekonk zone. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 15:24:29 -0500 From: dmak@yahoo.com (dave mak) Subject: software stack for H.324M Hello, I am looking for a software stack for H.324 / H.324M / H.223 / H.245. I am interested in knowing if a reference software is available or if any company offers such a solution that can be licensed. Best regards. Dave. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 17:48:28 -0500 From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local 206 (Seattle and close suburbs) is entirely local. Some calls to 425 and 253 are local from some, but not all, prefixes in 206. - -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 19:23:46 -0500 From: Lee Choquette Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local In article , Linc Madison wrote: >[...] There are several NPAs that have only local calling >within them. I'm fairly sure of these, but I'm even more sure that >someone will point out any errors or omissions.[...] >POSSIBLY: [...] >702: Las Vegas Sorry, Mesquite (80 miles NE of Vegas) and Laughlin (80 miles SE of Vegas) are in 702, but are a toll call from Vegas. Lee - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 19:24:10 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Joseph Singer wrote: > On 15 Dec 2001 22:57:12 -0500, "John C. Sanders" > wrote: > >>Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer >>on the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring >>(that wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? >> >>His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in >>the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He >>can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with >>his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to >>sleep. > > Tell him to turn off the ringer on his phone and let the answering > machine get it. That will "learn" her about closing the door to his room when he was an infant. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 19:47:09 -0500 From: tonypo1@home.com Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local In article , joeofseattle@yahoo.com says... > On 16 Dec 2001 23:46:27 -0500, catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) > wrote: > > > >ISTR that 401 (Rhode Island) is also all-local, but my R is hazy. > > When I was there in Rhode Island that was not the case. If you are in > Providence you have a wide EAS, but it does not include the whole > state. Matter of fact if you're in Warren you cannot call Pawtucket > without a toll. It's interesting though that some of the Warren > switches such as 401-246 are the same office as 401-433 (East > Providence/Riverside), but the 401-433 exchange has Pawtucket as a > local call while 401-246 does not. And calling from the Providence > area down to Newport or North Kingstown is or was a toll call. Unless > Rhode Island has consolidated a lot of rate centres 401 is not > entirely local. Providence has local calling to Seekonk, > Massachusetts. Matter of fact in the directory it's referred to as > the Providence-Seekonk zone. The same stupid restrictions apply. And yes, Seekonk (508)-336 and South Attlboro (508)-761 are still local from Providence. You forgot the Centredale exchange that handles 231, 232, 233, 353, and 354. 231, 232, 233 are part of the northern group that cannot call Warwick without a toll. They can call Pascoag though. 353 and 354 are defined as Providence numbers that have full access to Warwick without toll but Pascoag is. All from the same switch. Then of course all the outlying communities that were once toll to Providence are now toll free to Providence but not the other way around. They've been fighting for years to unify the whole state as a toll free zone but none of the incarnations of our LEC has bought it yet. Tony > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Dec 2001 22:58:10 -0500 From: "Thomas Hackett" Subject: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? Does anyone know of a graphical front end client that has been made for the Meridian 1 PBX? I have been working on one for over 2 years now and the Wise terminal is killing me. I have thought about writing a small XML client that would execute the Load commands for me but I really don't have the time to code it all. If anyone has heard of such a thing please let me know. Thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 02:04:36 -0500 From: linky@bad-ass-motherfucker.com (Jason Lindquist) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local An infinite number of monkeys masquerading as Linc Madison wrote: > POSSIBLY: > 858: north San Diego suburbs Nope. My house in Poway to my old office out of the San Diego-LaJolla exchange is a zone 3 toll call. Much of 858-land is even further, geographically. I suspect San Diego's uneven terrain might contribute to small "local" calling areas. The electrical distance between COs might be much, much longer than the crow-flight path. Quite a surprise from my youth in 312/708/847-272, where it seemed half of creation was a local call... I would also venture a guess that many NPAs besides 312 suffer from the same issue of cellular prefixes outside their geographic boundaries. (Speaking of which, does anyone know where in Northbrook the wireless carriers are located? My family's used three different carriers, all with local NBK numbers, and with the possible exception of Ameritech's site near I-294 and Willow Rds, I haven't found anything that smells like an MTSO) - -- Jason Lindquist <*> "Mostly though, I think it gave us hope, linky{at}see/figure1/net That there can always be a new beginning. KB9LCL Even for people like us." -- Gen. Susan Ivanova, B5, "Sleeping In Light" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #329 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 19 Dec 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #330 Telecom Digest Wednesday, December 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 330 In this issue: Re: TLDs, why such a big deal Re: TLDs, why such a big deal Hotel phone fun ... Re: NPAs that are entirely local "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Dec 2001 11:59:21 -0500 From: Carl Moore Subject: Re: TLDs, why such a big deal John David Galt wrote in July: >Or one I've always wondered: How many NPAs match the first three digits of >a ZIP code within that NPA? The only example I can think of is 202. How about 440 in Ohio? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 12:37:59 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: TLDs, why such a big deal >From 'Carl Moore' : > >John David Galt wrote in July: >>Or one I've always wondered: How many NPAs match the first three digits of >>a ZIP code within that NPA? The only example I can think of is 202. > >How about 440 in Ohio? Close. 440 covers MOSTLY 440xx zips but covers some Cleveland 441xx zips also. As far as I know, though, all 440xx zips are in AC 440. - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO ICQ: 56972932/WebDude216 website: http://JustThe.net email: sjsobol@JustThe.net phone: 216.619.2NET postal: 5686 Davis Drive, Mentor On The Lake, OH 44060-2752 DalNet: ZX-2 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 13:58:04 -0500 From: jsw@ivgate.omahug.org Subject: Hotel phone fun ... >On 1 December or thereabouts, the hotel manager suddenly decided >to charge USD$0.10 per minute after 10 minutes on all outgoing >calls. This includes calling card and toll-free >(800/888/877/866) numbers. Many of the hotels in the Las Vegas area are now charging extra for 'long duration' calls. I was told by a hotel employee that it was due to customers making data calls and leaving them up, thus tying up all outgoing trunks. Since I got hammered once for a (local) data call (it *was* in the fine print in the guest services booklet) I read the fine print carefully before making calls. I must admit I'm one of the guilty parties in making long data calls from hotels. Some of the chains (Comfort?) are still doing free (untimed) local calls and one (Candlewood?) has free local calls and non-rape rates for direct dialed toll calls. However when phoning my stepmom (Laguna Hills) from the hotel (Lake Forest) I was charged several dollars for what was obviously a local call. The desk droid offered one lame excuse after another for the charge, and eventually removed it when I told him flat out I would not pay for it. Good day JSW - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 17:30:01 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local In article , Jason Lindquist wrote: > Linc Madison wrote: > > > POSSIBLY: > > 858: north San Diego suburbs > > Nope. My house in Poway to my old office out of the San Diego- > LaJolla exchange is a zone 3 toll call. Much of 858-land is even > further, geographically. I suspect San Diego's uneven terrain might > contribute to small "local" calling areas. The electrical distance > between COs might be much, much longer than the crow-flight path. The distance calculations used for rating calls are crow-flight, not actual wire distance. Furthermore, the "rating point" is not necessarily related at all to the location of the CO. Each rate center has a set of coordinates designated for rating purposes. For example, the rating points for downtown San Francisco and downtown Oakland are very near the ends of the Bay Bridge in order to maximize the transbay local calling areas. Also, the mapping of rate centers to COs isn't one-to-one. For instance, San Francisco has three rate centers but 11 ILEC COs. The boundary between 415 and 650 divides the "San Francisco 3" (a.k.a. "San Francisco Juniper") rate center along ILEC wire center boundaries. On the flip side of the coin, there are some rate centers that are served by COs located outside their boundaries. With the introduction of CLECs, things get even more convoluted. There are a few cases of CLEC prefixes in the North Bay (Marin County, etc.) that are served out of a CO in San Jose! That's easily a 100-mile round-trip (by wire distance) to call your next-door neighbor. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com Unsolicited bulk e-mail will be reported to your admin or upstream. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 17:48:36 -0500 From: fws@london.com (fws) Subject: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Somebody please help! Due to the fact that I'm connected to the internet via a dial-up modem, I keep on getting disconnected when one of my parents unwittingly either a) picks up the telephone off its cradle, or b) attempts to establish a dial-up internet connection with another comptuer. My being downstaris and their upstairs, doesn't help matters. I'm in need of some type of gadget that plugs into the phone jack and has a light to indicate whether or not the phone line is currently tied up. I remember my late Grandfather having one, although his was homemade I believe. He was into amateur radio, after all. Any advice, please reply or e-mail. Cheers. W. PS My apologies if I have submitted a post to the wrong newsgroup, if anybody could shed some light on a more appropriate one it would be gladly taken. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 18:39:58 -0500 From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Quoth fws@london.com (fws) in : |Somebody please help! Due to the fact that I'm connected to the |internet via a dial-up modem, I keep on getting disconnected when one |of my parents unwittingly either a) picks up the telephone off its |cradle, or b) attempts to establish a dial-up internet connection with |another comptuer. My being downstaris and their upstairs, doesn't help |matters. I'm in need of some type of gadget that plugs into the phone |jack and has a light to indicate whether or not the phone line is |currently tied up. You can do even better. Radio Shack sells a "line protector" that, when properly installed, will prevent anyone else from picking up the line your modem is on. You'll need one for each non-modem jack. - -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |been a wee bit more specific. | | | "Fuck NANAE." -- Paul Vixie | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 20:38:53 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget See below or wire your incoming line directly to the modem's "line" jack and then wire all the other phones in the house to the modem "Phone" jack. Most modems cut off their own "Phone" jack when the modem is in use to prevent this exact problem. This is how burglar alarms are wired in most cases, and if you ask the telephone company to wire that up for you they will refer to it as an RJ-31. They will also charge you a handsome sum to do the job! Al Tom Betz wrote in message news:9vok2t$hcr$1@news.panix.com... > > Quoth fws@london.com (fws) in : > |Somebody please help! Due to the fact that I'm connected to the > |internet via a dial-up modem, I keep on getting disconnected when one > |of my parents unwittingly either a) picks up the telephone off its > |cradle, or b) attempts to establish a dial-up internet connection with > |another comptuer. My being downstaris and their upstairs, doesn't help > |matters. I'm in need of some type of gadget that plugs into the phone > |jack and has a light to indicate whether or not the phone line is > |currently tied up. > > > You can do even better. Radio Shack sells a "line protector" that, when > properly installed, will prevent anyone else from picking up the line your > modem is on. > > You'll need one for each non-modem jack. > > > -- > |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | > |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | > |been a wee bit more specific. | | > | "Fuck NANAE." -- Paul Vixie | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 21:54:54 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget I used an AC voltmeter intended for measuring 0 to 140VAC. Internally it used a bridge rectifier to feed a DC voltmeter movement. You can see on hook voltage around 50V, ringing around 90V, and off hook of 5 to 10V. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 23:35:59 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? Maybe not exactly graphical but try Phone Master for a more friendly interface. Lot's of drag & drop, drop down boxes and all that sort of thing. I tried to find their web address but failed miserably. Maybe someone else can help... Al .. Thomas Hackett wrote in message news:_1zT7.10206$O7.1127321@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Does anyone know of a graphical front end client that has been made for the > Meridian 1 PBX? I have been working on one for over 2 years now and the Wise > terminal is killing me. I have thought about writing a small XML client that > would execute the Load commands for me but I really don't have the time to > code it all. If anyone has heard of such a thing please let me know. > Thanks > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Dec 2001 23:54:35 -0500 From: George Kinder Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? John, Try a VIKING (www.vikingelectronics.com) DVA-LP. Line powered 16 second announcement machine. george "John C. Sanders" wrote: > > Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on > the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that > wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > > His 92 year old mother has a penchant for calling him one or more times in > the middle of his sleep to ask him what day it is or what time it is. He > can't get any sleep! He wants to put an answering machine on the line with > his announcement being a message from him telling his mother to go back to > sleep. > > Thanks. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 01:30:57 -0500 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? "Thomas Hackett" contributed the following: >Does anyone know of a graphical front end client that has been made for the >Meridian 1 PBX? I have been working on one for over 2 years now and the Wise >terminal is killing me. I have thought about writing a small XML client that >would execute the Load commands for me but I really don't have the time to >code it all. If anyone has heard of such a thing please let me know. Switchview has had one for over 10 years! - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #330 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 20 Dec 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #331 Telecom Digest Thursday, December 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 331 In this issue: Re: Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Lockheed to exit telecom services Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Can you help me? Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins Low voltage certification ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Dec 2001 06:40:05 -0500 From: "David McKenna" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Use an IP phone and it splits both parties. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 10:45:21 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Lockheed to exit telecom services Last night, on Capitol Beat, Monty Solomon said: > Lockheed to exit telecom services > Firm to take huge charge, cut 650 jobs > THE WALL STREET JOURNAL > BETHESDA, Md., Dec. 7 - Lockheed Martin Corp. plans to exit from its > Global Telecommunications business, a move the company expects will > result in 650 job cuts and substantial fourth-quarter charges. Um, then who will be running NANPA? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 10:46:28 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound Last night, on Capitol Beat, Gail M. Hall said: > On 8 Dec 2001 22:42:20 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (msb@vex.net (Mark > Brader)) wrote: > >David Clayton: > >> We don't need "sidetone" for a face to face conversation... > > > >We may not *need* it, but we *have* it; your voice reaches your ears > >by way of the air as well as conduction through your body. And people > >use that to regulate their speaking volume, which is why people with > >impaired hearing often get their volume wrong. > > > >Sidetone in a phone just eliminates the effect of your ear being > >covered by the phone. > > All this may be true, but that doesn't alter what I want to know about > telephones. Right now I'm not concerned about whether voice feedback goes > through the air or through the bones. I am concerned about the voice > loudness over the telephone. > > When my husband and I talk on the phone to our relatives, he gets on one > phone and I get on another extension hooked to the same line. Invariably > his voice is way louder through my telephone to my ear than the voices of > the people we are talking to, regardless of whether the other party is in > the same town as we are or in another state. You Can't Get There From Here. Well, unless you get a key system with a pretty decent conferencing bridge. > We have paid varying prices for the phones in our house, and this volume > difference seems to be similar regardless of how cheap or expensive the > phone was. > > I'd like to turn UP the volume for the party on the other end of the line > and turn DOWN the volume for the person on the other extension in my house. > the only way that feature could be enabled is if there is some way to > separate the incoming from the outgoing, even when it's from another phone > on an extension of the same line. I hope this description is a little more > clear than mud. Certainly. Clear enough for me to tell you that you have to spend a fairish amount of money to get what you want. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 13:18:56 -0500 From: "Karrer, Nancy" Subject: Can you help me? Dear Patrick, My name is Nancy Karrer and I am corporate recruiter for Williams Communications, a telecom company headquartered in Tulsa, OK. Are you familiar with our company? The purpose of my note is that I am on a candidate search for a Telecom Analyst with Nortel Meridian 1 experience. The position is in Tulsa and the pay is in the mid 60's range. I write to you to see if you might know anyone that could be interested. If so, please feel free to forward my contact information. Please see all of my numbers below. I have also included the job description for your review. Thank you and may you and your family have a Happy Holiday! Regards, Nancy Karrer Strategic Sourcing Department Williams Communications One Technology Center TC-14 Tulsa, OK 74172 Work: (918) 547-0241 Toll free: (866) 468-6924 ext. 70241 YahooMessenger: nancykarrer email: nancy.karrer@wcg.com Have you profiled with Williams Communications? Click here to register with us! http://jobs.wcg.com Network Analyst III Performs routine voice and network monitoring and provides technical support to assess and resolve problems. Monitors system connectivity. May design and implement complex local and wide-area networks for incoming data, voice, wayside circuitry, and/or multi-media traffic. Administers, supports, and troubleshoots local and/or wide area networks. Reviews project status reports prepared by project personnel, and modify schedules or plans as required. Responds to system outages; schedules system outage window to monitor downtime, and executes corrective measures to restore usage as quickly as possible. Maintains knowledge of trends in information technology by utilizing resources (i.e. internet, vendor websites, industry periodicals, etc) and attending conferences/workshops in order to develop and foster business/technology expertise. Designs network configurations to meet user needs. Tests integrated systems to ensure reliability. Develops procedures for disaster recovery, capacity planning and performance tuning. Develops long and short-term voice communications strategies. May act as a team lead and will mentor others. This job is responsible for designing, troubleshooting, supporting and maintaining the large internal NORTEL voice network infrastructure to ensure reliable performance. Must have strong over-all knowledge of supporting large internal voice networks with adjunct equipment. Strong working knowledge of Call Centers and associated telecom equipment. Solid working knowledge of LEC, IXC, & CLEC needed to support billing analysis. Knowledge of wireless technologies and all standard voice infrastructure hardware required. Candidate also needs a minimum 6 years of Nortel Meridian 1 experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 15:30:36 -0500 From: "s falke" Subject: Re: Separating incoming and outgoing sound > > All this may be true, but that doesn't alter what I want to know about > > telephones. Right now I'm not concerned about whether voice feedback goes > > through the air or through the bones. I am concerned about the voice > > loudness over the telephone. > > > > When my husband and I talk on the phone to our relatives, he gets on one > > phone and I get on another extension hooked to the same line. Invariably > > his voice is way louder through my telephone to my ear than the voices of > > the people we are talking to, regardless of whether the other party is in > > the same town as we are or in another state. > > You Can't Get There From Here. > > Well, unless you get a key system with a pretty decent conferencing > bridge. ISDN sets (i.e., Lucent 85-series) seem to work pretty well without a bridge; using the built-in conferene feature. - --s falke - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 16:13:20 -0500 From: "Paul Erickson" Subject: Re: Hotel charge for toll-free numbers after 10 mins OT, but we were just at a hotel that "for our convenience" charged an extra 0.50 a day for USAToday. Can't even get a damn free paper anymore for $159/night. Jeez. But the biggest rape of all happened last week at the Swissotel Chicago. We shipped in 3 boxes, they charged $25 EACH for handling!! - -- Paul "David Lesher" wrote in message news:9visba$j9h$1@panix1.panix.com... > > Note that one {alleged} upper class chain {?Hilton?} dropped all > the 800 surcharges after it became the #1 complaint they received > from their core customer group, business{wo}men. > > I had a friend come to DC and be put up a similar hotel for a wedding. > The 800 rape was only part of it; local calls were charged per-minute > [DC local calling is /call, and flat for resi -- it may be the only > NPA that is ONLY local.] and they charged you $0.40 a day for > MacPaper, unless you explicitly declined same. > > In general, this is all part of an overall "revenue enhancement" > plan for the hotel. Just encountered another -- leave a pre-paid, > ready to go FedEx/UPS at the Hyatt & get nicked $7.50 to allow Fedex > to pick same up. I carried my friend's box 2 blocks to the counter > instead. > > > > -- > A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com > & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX > Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 > is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Dec 2001 23:05:53 -0500 From: Etop Udoh Subject: Low voltage certification ? I live in the metro Atlanta, Georgia area... Does anyone have any tips on how to get started with "Low Voltage Certication" and which tests to take? books to buy? Pro's ? , Con's ?, etc.... The test I'm considering is Telecommunications. 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Date: 21 Dec 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #332 Telecom Digest Friday, December 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 332 In this issue: Telecom Customer Data Model Book on telcos ??? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Dec 2001 11:50:37 -0500 From: wklein@businessedge.com (W Klein) Subject: Telecom Customer Data Model I'm looking for a source of customer data models, in the telecommunications (ideally wireless) industry. Any good sources for this (research, etc.)? Thanks! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 2001 01:26:23 -0500 From: Zarange kh Subject: Book on telcos ??? Hi: I am looking for a book on HOW a small telco can be setup in terms of hardware/software (architecture). The book would preferably speak to a business/managerial type audience (i.e. not too technical yet clear on what is required from a functional point of view) Any help would be appreciated. Regards, zk __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #332 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 22 Dec 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #333 Telecom Digest Saturday, December 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 333 In this issue: Comcast-AT&T Deal Spotlights Bigger Drama 12/21/01 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Panasonic XDP 8 Extension Digital Super Hybrid System? RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #332 Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Dec 2001 08:34:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Comcast-AT&T Deal Spotlights Bigger Drama Comcast-AT&T Deal Spotlights Bigger Drama By Alec Klein, Christopher Stern and Frank Ahrens Washington Post Staff Writers Friday, December 21, 2001; Page A01 When Comcast Corp. prevailed in its $72 billion acquisition of AT&T Broadband, it suddenly put the once diminutive company in position to become the nation's No. 1 cable-television operator. But that's just prologue. What one of the largest merger deals of the year also did was ratchet up an already fierce battle among an ever-shrinking handful of media, technology and telecommunications titans wrestling for control of news, movies and music and the way each is delivered to the home. Behemoths such as AOL Time Warner Inc., Microsoft Corp. and the soon-to-be AT&T Comcast Corp. are pursuing different corporate strategies, analysts say, emphasizing either their media holdings, technology or their means of distribution, or some combination of each. But they are all relentlessly driving toward a common future: an all-in-one network that ties together a vast array of household appliances, including the telephone, the TV and the personal computer. ... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A9733-2001Dec20.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 2001 21:10:03 -0500 From: "David Hunt" Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #332 zk, How you design the telephone network is dependent upon the types of services you want to provide, the geography of the area to be served and a lot of other factors. If you want to be a CLEC, then you have to know whether you plan to overbuild, use UNEs, use a wireless solution or resale. Also, the architecture will be dependent on the size of the small Telco in terms of both geography covered and access lines served. Do you want to provide voice and/or data and/or video? If all you want to know is what parts make up a TDM based generic voice telephone network, there are probably a lot of resources. If you want to do a specific project, generic scenarios are very dangerous. David David N. Hunt, Executive Vice President - Business Development Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. 3901 Rose Lake Drive, Charlotte, NC 28217 dnhunt@msceng.com, Tel: 704/357-0004, Fax: 704/357-0025 Date: 21 Dec 2001 01:26:23 -0500 From: Zarange kh Subject: Book on telcos ??? Hi: I am looking for a book on HOW a small telco can be setup in terms of hardware/software (architecture). The book would preferably speak to a business/managerial type audience (i.e. not too technical yet clear on what is required from a functional point of view) Any help would be appreciated. Regards, zk - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Dec 2001 23:34:37 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM This is really telecom related because I'm looking at what kind of usage "minutes" are called what and when. Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom business? Technically there is no such thing as 12:00 AM or PM. There is 12:00 noon and 12:00 midnight. AM means before noon and PM means after noon, but right at noon, it is straight-up noon. It seems to me that it would be more clear if in the text defining times the 24-hour format could be used, just as weight is expressed in metric and US measures. Here is a quote of the definition of night and weekend hours in a brochure that I got. "Night hours are 9:00 PM - 5:59 AM, Monday - Friday. Weekend hours are 12:00 AM Saturday - 11:59 PM Sunday. Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays." Does "12:00 AM" mean 12 noon or 12 midnight? I wondered why they didn't say that weekend hours would be from Friday 9:00 PM through Monday 5:59 AM. This company apparently has plans for just weekend minutes or night and weekend minutes. The one they were promoting included both night and weekend minutes. I am hoping they don't charge me with daytime minutes if I use the phone after midnight Sunday, that is, Monday from 12:00:01 (I'm trying to say a second after midnight) through 5:59 AM on Monday mornings. If there is a standard definition in the entire telecom industry, then maybe they don't think they should have to explain this in deep detail in their brochures. If they are going by the way digital watches display the "p" for PM, then I'll have to double-check to see if my various clocks and watches are consistent. I liked the number of minutes this company offers (more than the hightly advertised company is offering right now) and the option to have coverage over the whole country so I can avoid "roaming" charges in the USA. I had to give up some daytime minutes to do this, but that gives me more night and weekend minutes as the overall total is the same. The cost of "excess" daytime minutes is much less than the cost of roaming minutes would be if I opted for the "local" plan or the "regional" plan. I hope I'm not being overly paranoid when I think maybe there is a catch in the way they describe their times for weekend minutes and night minutes. Thanks for any comments! - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 01:21:02 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM "Gail M. Hall" writes: >From: "Gail M. Hall" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM >Date: 21 Dec 2001 23:34:37 -0500 > >This is really telecom related because I'm looking at what kind of usage >"minutes" are called what and when. > >Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom >business? > >Technically there is no such thing as 12:00 AM or PM. There is 12:00 noon >and 12:00 midnight. AM means before noon and PM means after noon, but >right at noon, it is straight-up noon. The convention is that 12:00AM is midnight and 12:00PM is noon. As you note, it's technically wrong because the meridians of noon and midnight are neither AM nor PM. However, logic has it that one minute after midnight is 12:01AM and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. Same logic applies to noon being 12:00PM because one minute later is 12:01PM. While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. >It seems to me that it would be more clear if in the text defining times >the 24-hour format could be used, just as weight is expressed in metric and >US measures. Then one needs to determine whether the stroke of midnight is 24:00 hours today or 0:00 hours tomorrow. :) >Here is a quote of the definition of night and weekend hours in a brochure >that I got. > > Night hours are 9:00 PM - 5:59 AM, Monday - Friday. > Weekend hours are 12:00 AM Saturday - 11:59 PM Sunday. > Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays. > >Does "12:00 AM" mean 12 noon or 12 midnight? No one ever said that MBAs and marketing people know how to write clearly. > . . . > >I hope I'm not being overly paranoid when I think maybe there is a catch >in the way they describe their times for weekend minutes and night minutes. No, you're not being overly paranoid. In the telecom industry, the "gotcha" is the rule rather than the exception. Pricing plans are designed specifically to be confusing and to make comparisons between carriers all but impossible. This is known as free market competition. You can ask for clarification -- but your sales person may be equally confused and dispense the wrong answer. You're best bet is to ask to see a typical itemized billing statement to see how calls at various times are noted (day, evening, weekend). I wish you well. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 01:47:10 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM >> It seems to me that it would be more clear if in the text defining times >> the 24-hour format could be used ... > Then one needs to determine whether the stroke of midnight is 24:00 hours > today or 0:00 hours tomorrow. :) According to the relevant international standard, ISO 8601, it is both. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "[That] statement is so full of hubris msb@vex.net | you can hear the wax melting." -- Steve Summit - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 02:06:59 -0500 From: Mark Crispin Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM On 21 Dec 2001, Gail M. Hall wrote: > Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom > business? > Technically there is no such thing as 12:00 AM or PM. There is 12:00 noon > and 12:00 midnight. AM means before noon and PM means after noon, but > right at noon, it is straight-up noon. I think that you answered your own question. There is no definition. However, when "12:00 AM" and "12:00 PM" are (mis)used, "12:00 AM" almost always refers to midnight and "12:00 PM" almost always refers to noon. I have never seen or heard the terms used otherwise; however that doesn't mean anything since I have not exhaustive tested every device or quizzed every human being in the world. But there definitely is a convention. Given that there is just a convention and no definition, the only rational approach is to tenatively assume based upon the convention, and then to get a verification of that assumption before acting on it. > "Night hours are 9:00 PM - 5:59 AM, Monday - Friday. > Weekend hours are 12:00 AM Saturday - 11:59 PM Sunday. > Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays." > > Does "12:00 AM" mean 12 noon or 12 midnight? "12:00 AM" almost certainly refers to midnight here. I have observed that some people are confused by "midnight Saturday", and think that it means "midnight Saturday night" (another improper term) and hence "midnight between Saturday and Sunday". Such individuals strangely find "12:00 AM Saturday" to be easier to comprehend. Of course, "midnight Saturday morning" is unambiguous. > I wondered why they didn't say that weekend hours would be from Friday 9:00 > PM through Monday 5:59 AM. As far as I can tell -- you should request a clarification *in writing* -- what was intended is: "Night hours are midnight - 5:59 AM and 9:00 PM - 11:59 PM, Monday - Friday. Weekend hours are midnight Saturday morning - 11:59 PM Sunday. Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays. All times are inclusive." Not only does that fit with the convention, but it makes the most sense. But I still wouldn't make any calls until I got a verification. - -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 02:09:33 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM It was 21 Dec 2001 23:34:37 -0500, and "Gail M. Hall" wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM | in the telecom business? 12:01 AM is one minute past 12:00 AM, commonly called midnight. 12:01 PM is one minute past 12:00 PM, commonly called noon. | "Night hours are 9:00 PM - 5:59 AM, Monday - Friday. | Weekend hours are 12:00 AM Saturday - 11:59 PM Sunday. | Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays." | | Does "12:00 AM" mean 12 noon or 12 midnight? Midnight. | I wondered why they didn't say that weekend hours would | be from Friday 9:00 PM through Monday 5:59 AM. Because they are not in all cases. When I had a weekend rate package they did allow Friday Night and Monday Morning as weekend. Kind of odd to start at midnight anyways. | This company apparently has plans for just weekend minutes | or night and weekend minutes. The one they were promoting | included both night and weekend minutes. The company I am thinking of has a national package that is weekend only on the 'bonus' minutes. Night and Weekend is offered on regional and local plans only. | I am hoping they don't charge me with daytime minutes if I | use the phone after midnight Sunday, that is, Monday from | 12:00:01 (I'm trying to say a second after midnight) through | 5:59 AM on Monday mornings. They won't on a 'night and weekend' plan. But if your plan only includes weekend minutes and the definitions at the top are given expect to be billed at regular rates at 12:01 AM Monday morning. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #333 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 23 Dec 2001 06:15:08 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #334 Telecom Digest Sunday, December 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 334 In this issue: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Comcast-AT&T Deal Spotlights Bigger Drama Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Dec 2001 06:56:06 -0500 From: craigm@ragingbull.com (Craig Macbride) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) writes: >However, logic has it that one minute after >midnight is 12:01AM and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. It doesn't even need to be one minute. Midnight is an infinitely small period. One second after midnight is 12:00:01am. >While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling >noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. Or having one second past 12:00:00am called 12:00:01pm! - -- Craig Macbride http://www.nyx.net/~cmacbrid - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "People want to be educated, they shouldn't be watching television, they should be reading books." - Jerry Springer - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 10:55:23 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, The Old Bear said: > >From: "Gail M. Hall" > >Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom > >business? > > The convention is that 12:00AM is midnight and 12:00PM is noon. As you > note, it's technically wrong because the meridians of noon and midnight > are neither AM nor PM. However, logic has it that one minute after > midnight is 12:01AM and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. Same logic applies > to noon being 12:00PM because one minute later is 12:01PM. > > While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling > noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. Concur; he's right. On both counts. 0000 is 12 ayem, 1200 is 12 peyem. 2400 is also 235960 (or 61, on leapsecond days) and is the midnight at the end of a day. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 10:56:46 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Mark Brader said: > According to the relevant international standard, ISO 8601, it is both. Thanks for the ref, Mark. I Got Lucky with google. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 10:59:47 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Mark Crispin said: > As far as I can tell -- you should request a clarification *in writing* -- > what was intended is: > > "Night hours are midnight - 5:59 AM and 9:00 PM - 11:59 PM, Monday - Friday. > Weekend hours are midnight Saturday morning - 11:59 PM Sunday. > Peak hours are all other times except certain holidays. > All times are inclusive." > > Not only does that fit with the convention, but it makes the most sense. > But I still wouldn't make any calls until I got a verification. *I*, personally, would have written it "Peak hour rates will be charged for the minutes of any call which fall between 6am and 8:59pm, Monday through Friday; all other call minutes are off-peak.", which is what most carriers actually seem to do these days. Cept Nextel, who still start at 2000. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 13:12:28 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Jay Ashworth writes: > 2400 is also 235960 (or 61, on leapsecond days) and is the midnight at > the end of a day. You can write that if you want, but it doesn't conform to ISO 8601. Under the standard, midnight is 00:00:00 or 24:00:00, but not 23:60:00 or 23:59:60. 23:59:60 is possible only due to a leap second (and then, of course, only if your time zone is UTC; where *I* live, they occur at 18:59:60 EST [winter, zone -5] or 19:59:60 EDT [summer, zone -4]); and 23:59:61 is impossible. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "It is one thing to praise discipline, and another msb@vex.net | to submit to it." -- Miguel de Cervantes, 1613 My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 13:27:05 -0500 From: joel@exc.com (Dr. Joel M. Hoffman) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM >> The convention is that 12:00AM is midnight and 12:00PM is noon. As you >> note, it's technically wrong because the meridians of noon and midnight >> are neither AM nor PM. However, logic has it that one minute after >> midnight is 12:01AM and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. Same logic applies >> to noon being 12:00PM because one minute later is 12:01PM. >> >> While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling >> noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. The only confusing part (with reality --- because this is the scheme everyone uses) is that an hour after 10am is 11am but an hour after 11am is 12pm. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 13:35:52 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Comcast-AT&T Deal Spotlights Bigger Drama >From 'Monty Solomon' : >each. But they are all relentlessly driving toward a common future: >an all-in-one network that ties together a vast array of household >appliances, including the telephone, the TV and the personal computer. *yawn* yah, yah, I'll believe it when I see it happening. - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO ICQ: 56972932/WebDude216 website: http://JustThe.net email: sjsobol@JustThe.net phone: 216.619.2NET postal: 5686 Davis Drive, Mentor On The Lake, OH 44060-2752 DalNet: ZX-2 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 13:38:45 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM >From 'Gail M. Hall' : >This is really telecom related because I'm looking at what kind of usage >"minutes" are called what and when. The question is, how important is this definition? Cellular night and weekend minutes SPAN noons and midnights. Are you concerned about timing on a long-distance plan? - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO ICQ: 56972932/WebDude216 website: http://JustThe.net email: sjsobol@JustThe.net phone: 216.619.2NET postal: 5686 Davis Drive, Mentor On The Lake, OH 44060-2752 DalNet: ZX-2 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 16:41:10 -0500 From: "Mike Pollock" Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget http://www.radioshack.com/searchsku.asp?find=43-445 - --Mike "Tom Betz" wrote in message news:9vok2t$hcr$1@news.panix.com... > > You can do even better. Radio Shack sells a "line protector" that, when > properly installed, will prevent anyone else from picking up the line your > modem is on. > > You'll need one for each non-modem jack. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 18:38:09 -0500 From: nobody@mailbox3.ucsd.edu (David W. Tamkin) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Mark Crispin wrote in : | However, ... "12:00 AM" almost | always refers to midnight and "12:00 PM" almost always refers to noon. I | have never seen or heard the terms used otherwise; ... I have seen them used the other way quite often and quite adamantly. There simply are people who consider noon part of the morning and midnight part of the evening and are wrapped up in their own worlds, deaf to convention. There was a court case a couple decades back where a motorist parked in the late afternoon in an area marked "No Parking 10 AM - 12 PM." The ticketing police officer insisted that "12 PM" meant midnight. The judge declared that 12 PM was midnight, that there was no such time as 12 AM, and that the ticket was valid. An appellate court, whose judges had grown up with their ears open, overturned the verdict. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 20:19:40 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM In article , The Old Bear wrote: > >The convention is that 12:00AM is midnight and 12:00PM is noon. As you >note, it's technically wrong because the meridians of noon and midnight >are neither AM nor PM. However, logic has it that one minute after >midnight is 12:01AM As is one second after midnight, or one nanosecond after midnight, or 1*10^-100 seconds after midnight, or ... >and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. Same logic applies >to noon being 12:00PM because one minute later is 12:01PM. > >While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling >noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. Especially since many, many times are commonly written as 12:00 (such as 12:00:01, for example), but only 12:00:00.0000000... is really in the realm of "neither AM nor PM". -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 21:53:22 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) writes: >From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM >Date: 22 Dec 2001 20:19:40 -0500 > >The Old Bear wrote: >> >>The convention is that 12:00AM is midnight and 12:00PM is noon. As you >>note, it's technically wrong because the meridians of noon and midnight >>are neither AM nor PM. However, logic has it that one minute after >>midnight is 12:01AM > >As is one second after midnight, or one nanosecond after midnight, or >1*10^-100 seconds after midnight, or ... > >>and therefore midnight is 12:00AM. Same logic applies >>to noon being 12:00PM because one minute later is 12:01PM. >> >>While confusing, this is less confusing that the alternative of calling >>noon 12:00AM and the rest of the hour 12:01PM to 12:59PM. Aaaaargh. > >Especially since many, many times are commonly written as 12:00 (such >as 12:00:01, for example), but only 12:00:00.0000000... is really in >the realm of "neither AM nor PM". Brett: You're correct -- however I was using the example of 12:01 because it is easier for the average person to grasp and to remember. Along the same line, I recall the campus radio station at the college I attended (a well-known science and engineering school and recognised nerd haven) used to do special programming on the morning when Daylight Savings Time ended. The in-joke was that the hands of the clock would approach 2:00AM asymtotically, and at some infititesimal delta interval before 2:00AM local time, it would become 1:00AM local time. This, of course, was a point discontinuity in time and worthy of intense scientific study -- at least by the campus radio station. :) Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Dec 2001 22:23:21 -0500 From: Walter Dnes Subject: Re: FCC allows states to add technology-specific area codes On 16 Dec 2001 18:13:12 -0500, 73115.1041@compuserve.com, <73115.1041@compuserve.com> wrote: > >WASHINGTON (AP) - States may seek new area codes exclusively for cell > >phones and pagers now that the government has lifted a ban on the > >practice, hoping to address the pressing demand for telephone numbers. > > > Wow. This opens the door to national rate caller pay cell numbers at a > reasonable price. It's about time. Not with *INDIVIDUAL STATES* setting them. Here I am in Canada, and I'm going to try to find all the caller-pays codes in NANPA. Isn't 1-900 (and 1-809 and 1-664) enough ? Tell you what; set up a separate NANPA-wide *COUNTRY CODE* for caller-pays, and I'll be happy. - -- Walter Dnes Procmail-based spam filters http://www.waltdnes.org/email Billwinkle: Hey Rocky, watch me pull a secure, stable OS out of my hat. Rocky: Again ?!? You never get it right. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 00:27:02 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Thanks to all who commented on my question about which 12:00 AM or PM is midnight and which is noon. The plan I ended up with is a national plan with the night and weekend option. That means I can call from anywhere in the US without paying roaming fees. The downside is that fewer peak hour minutes are allowed with this plan. A minute of roaming, though, was shown as 60 cents per minutes, whereas paying for minutes over your allowance is only 40 cents per minute. a 20 cents per minute difference can mean a lot if you have to be on the phone for 10 minutes, even more if you have to be on the phone longer. If you want to get lots more minutes, then the charge for excess over the allowance goes down to 35 cents a minute. This was supposed to be a special offer, so I don't know how long it will last. Thanks again to all who commented on this question. - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #334 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 24 Dec 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #335 Telecom Digest Monday, December 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 335 In this issue: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM AT&T Comcast opens new chapter Carrier transitions and remote alarm on T1 AM vs PM... Verizon DSL Suit Appealed Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Dec 2001 14:22:51 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Mark Brader said: > Jay Ashworth writes: > > 2400 is also 235960 (or 61, on leapsecond days) and is the midnight at > > the end of a day. > > You can write that if you want, but it doesn't conform to ISO 8601. > Under the standard, midnight is 00:00:00 or 24:00:00, but not 23:60:00 > or 23:59:60. 23:59:60 is possible only due to a leap second (and then, > of course, only if your time zone is UTC; where *I* live, they occur > at 18:59:60 EST [winter, zone -5] or 19:59:60 EDT [summer, zone -4]); > and 23:59:61 is impossible. I went off and read a bit, and I see that you're right, 235960 != 240000. Hmmm... don't I recall, though, that there *has* been at least one double-leap second, or at least that they were planning for it? ADO's TZ archive is pretty cool, BTW. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 14:23:53 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, The Old Bear said: > The in-joke was that the hands of the clock would approach 2:00AM > asymtotically, and at some infititesimal delta interval before 2:00AM > local time, it would become 1:00AM local time. This, of course, > was a point discontinuity in time and worthy of intense scientific > study -- at least by the campus radio station. :) And the antidote to that in-joke is, of course, that 1:59:59 AM is not followed by 1:00:00 AM. "1:59:59AM EST" is followed by "1:00:00AM EDT". The time zone is required to be part of the timestamp. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 14:26:28 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Gail M. Hall said: > The plan I ended up with is a national plan with the night and weekend > option. > > That means I can call from anywhere in the US without paying roaming fees. > The downside is that fewer peak hour minutes are allowed with this plan. A > minute of roaming, though, was shown as 60 cents per minutes, whereas > paying for minutes over your allowance is only 40 cents per minute. a 20 > cents per minute difference can mean a lot if you have to be on the phone > for 10 minutes, even more if you have to be on the phone longer. FWIW, .40/min overtime is fairly pricey these days. That's, on average, 4 times what you're probably paying for your base weekday minutes, which seem to average .10/min from just about everyone. If you go over at *all* the first month, adjust upwards. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 14:49:26 -0500 From: nobody@rutgers.rutgers.edu (David W. Tamkin) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM jra@baylink.com wrote in : | I went off and read a bit, and I see that you're right, 235960 != | 240000. Hmmm... don't I recall, though, that there *has* been at least | one double-leap second, or at least that they were planning for it? There never has been a double leap second (though I can't say whether there's an allowance for one). However, ISTR that in 1972 one leap second was added on June 30 (July 1 in zones ahead of UTC) and another on December 31 (January, 1, 1973 in zones ahead of UTC). I happened to have started 1972 on EST and finished it on CST, so I call it the longest year of my life (366 days, one hour, and two seconds). [My personal leap second story: on December 31, 1989, a local news radio station carried the news of that day's leap second and kept proclaiming that "1989 will be one second longer than 1988." It was a Sunday and their offices were closed, so I called their emergency hotline for telling them about breaking news and reminded them that 1988 had had a leap DAY. They then changed it to something like "today will be one second longer than yesterday."] In another article Jay said, > "1:59:59AM EST" is followed by "1:00:00AM EDT". No, 1:59:59 AM EDT is followed by 1:00:00 AM EST the day the clocks are set back; 1:59:59 AM EST is followed by 3:00:00 AM EDT the day they're set ahead. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 15:12:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AT&T Comcast opens new chapter AT&T Comcast opens new chapter Deal expected to get OK from regulators, speed industry consolidation By Peter J. Howe, Globe Staff, 12/21/2001 With most analysts concluding the business-friendly Bush administration will let the proposed $72 billion merger of AT&T Broadband and Comcast go through with few major conditions, the focus yesterday was on questions of what happens next. Could the deal, creating a cable juggernaut with 22 million US subscribers, touch off a new wave of industry consolidation? One widely envisioned scenario calls for AOL Time Warner and Atlanta-based Cox Communications, bested by Comcast in the five-month contest for AT&T's cable assets, aiming to grab middle-tier cable companies like Cablevision, Charter, and Adelphia, to bulk up and avoid being squashed by AT&T Comcast. Does the deal help the chances for a Dish Network-DirecTV merger? Since it was announced earlier this fall, the proposed combination of the country's two main satellite TV companies into a 16 million subscriber giant has been widely seen as a hard sell for antitrust regulators in Washington. Now the companies may have an easier time, saying they need to join forces to match a gargantuan AT&T Comcast whose reach would encompass two of every five US homes. ... http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/355/business/AT_T_Comcast_opens_new_chapter+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 15:20:46 -0500 From: "John Sasso" Subject: Carrier transitions and remote alarm on T1 Our Internet gateway router (Cisco 3640 w/ T1 WIC DSU card) has been logging carrier transitions on the serial interface (which is for a T1 that carries a Frame Relay circuit to our ISP). Also, I noticed the "Remote alarm" counter in "sh service-module serial0/2" increase. Routers, T1 WICs, cables, and even smartjacks have been changed out, but to no avail. Our site is dual-homed, and we are having a problem with the circuit to ISP A; no problems with ISP B (we have a router for each ISP's circuit). I know it cannot be our router since if I connect the ISP B router into ISP A's smartjack, it also starts logging carrier transitions. In fact, this problem cropped up when my company relocated to another city - still using the same ISPs but got new 3640 routers. At the old site, our connection to ISP A were fine (no carrier transitions). Even when I grabbed the old 3640 out of storage from the old site - which I know for a fact never had a problem - and connected it to ISP A's smartjack, it started logging carrier transitions! Spoke with ISP A, local carrier and long-distance carriers. Variety of loopbacks were done, but all resulted in NO carrier transitions. Very puzzled and frustrated. ISP A and the carriers have been no help. Could the reason for the carrier transitions be a T1 timing problem (we've always gotten the timing from the network)? What would the increase in "Remote alarm" counter indicate? Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. - --john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 17:20:36 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: AM vs PM... Ok, after numerous long technical disertations on the topic of AM vs PM and when one gives way to the other we've finally got that problem resolved. Now, here's one for us to concentrate on over the upcoming holiday: How many Angels can dance on the head of a pin? As these Angels are most likely Christian Angels I'll add "Merry Christmas to all comp.dcom.telecom folks!" (Note to adherents of other belief systems: select the deity support staff member of your choice when pondering the question above!) Al - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 19:22:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Verizon DSL Suit Appealed Verizon DSL Suit Appealed By Joanna Glasner 1:50 p.m. Dec. 21, 2001 PST Arguing that a Virginia ban on class action lawsuits should not prevent them from having their day in court, a group of disgruntled Verizon DSL customers is appealing a case filed against the phone giant nearly a year ago. On Friday, lawyers for the customers filed an appeal with the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington to reinstate a case dismissed by a lower court in July on the grounds that the nation's capital was an inappropriate forum. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,49259,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Dec 2001 20:08:01 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Jay Ashworth: > Hmmm... don't I recall, though, that there *has* been at least > one double-leap second, or at least that they were planning for it? If Jay is a C programmer, he may be thinking of section 4.12.1 of the original ANSI C standard -- which became section 7.12.1 in the first ISO version -- where it says that the "normal range" of the tm_second member of a broken-down time is 0 to 61, thus allowing "for as many as two leap seconds." I'm afraid it was me who suggested to X3J11 that they needed to allow for that. I didn't understand the rules for leap seconds fully then and, evidently, neither did they. I believe it's been corrected in the new standard. - -- Mark Brader Summary of issue: Fix FORTRAN-8x. Toronto Committee Response: This proposal contains msb@vex.net insurmountable technical errors. -- X3J11 responses to 2nd public review My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 00:38:33 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, David W. Tamkin said: > jra@baylink.com wrote in : > | I went off and read a bit, and I see that you're right, 235960 != > | 240000. Hmmm... don't I recall, though, that there *has* been at least > | one double-leap second, or at least that they were planning for it? > > There never has been a double leap second (though I can't say whether there's > an allowance for one). However, ISTR that in 1972 one leap second was added > on June 30 (July 1 in zones ahead of UTC) and another on December 31 > (January, 1, 1973 in zones ahead of UTC). I happened to have started 1972 > on EST and finished it on CST, so I call it the longest year of my life (366 > days, one hour, and two seconds). > [My personal leap second story: on December 31, 1989, a local news radio > station carried the news of that day's leap second and kept proclaiming > that "1989 will be one second longer than 1988." It was a Sunday and their > offices were closed, so I called their emergency hotline for telling them > about breaking news and reminded them that 1988 had had a leap DAY. They > then changed it to something like "today will be one second longer than > yesterday."] > In another article Jay said, > > > "1:59:59AM EST" is followed by "1:00:00AM EDT". > > No, 1:59:59 AM EDT is followed by 1:00:00 AM EST the day the clocks are > set back; 1:59:59 AM EST is followed by 3:00:00 AM EDT the day they're set > ahead. Eek. Oops. Thanks. I wonder what the time libraries do if you present them with 02:30:00 EDT on the first day of EDT. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 00:40:00 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Mark Brader said: > Jay Ashworth: > > Hmmm... don't I recall, though, that there *has* been at least > > one double-leap second, or at least that they were planning for it? > > If Jay is a C programmer, he may be thinking of section 4.12.1 of the > original ANSI C standard -- which became section 7.12.1 in the first > ISO version -- where it says that the "normal range" of the tm_second > member of a broken-down time is 0 to 61, thus allowing "for as many > as two leap seconds." > > I'm afraid it was me who suggested to X3J11 that they needed to allow > for that. I didn't understand the rules for leap seconds fully then > and, evidently, neither did they. I believe it's been corrected in > the new standard. That might well be where I got it, if it was in K&&R2 or the Tartan guy's book. Or maybe I even got it from the header files. So, then, there isn't any way at all that we can actually *have* a second 61 in any currently in use timescale? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 03:30:10 -0500 From: fws@london.com (fws) Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget To all those who replied, thanks for the suggestions. I ended up purchasing the line-in-use indicator from Radio Shack. Although it won't prevent others from knocking me off, the light will let others know, quite clearly, that the line is being tied up. If it were roommates instead of parents we were talking about here the line restrictor may be more appropriate. For all those who are interested, here's a link to the fine gadget I went with: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F001%5F001%5F013%5F011&product%5Fid=43%2D443 Cheers. W. "Mike Pollock" wrote in message news:... > http://www.radioshack.com/searchsku.asp?find=43-445 > > --Mike > > "Tom Betz" wrote in message > news:9vok2t$hcr$1@news.panix.com... > > > > You can do even better. Radio Shack sells a "line protector" that, when > > properly installed, will prevent anyone else from picking up the line your > > modem is on. > > > > You'll need one for each non-modem jack. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #335 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 25 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #336 Telecom Digest Tuesday, December 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 336 In this issue: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed BEST telephone headset Re: AM vs PM... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Dec 2001 08:45:41 -0500 From: "Quinn Michael" Subject: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Anyone know how to build one of these? Mike - ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 03:30:10 -0500 From: fws@london.com (fws) Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget To all those who replied, thanks for the suggestions. I ended up purchasing the line-in-use indicator from Radio Shack. Although it won't prevent others from knocking me off, the light will let others know, quite clearly, that the line is being tied up. If it were roommates instead of parents we were talking about here the line restrictor may be more appropriate. For all those who are interested, here's a link to the fine gadget I went with: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&category%5Fname=CTLG%5F001%5F001%5F013%5F011&product%5Fid=43%2D443 Cheers. W. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 14:58:36 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: "Phone-Line Busy" Indicator Gadget Last night, on Capitol Beat, Quinn Michael said: > Anyone know how to build one of these? You can't build one cheaper than RS can sell it to you. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 19:26:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed December 24, 2001 Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed By SAUL HANSELL It has been a tumultuous year for providers of high-speed Internet service. Three companies that offer it over phone lines filed for bankruptcy. So did the leading provider of high-speed Internet service over cable TV systems, Excite@Home. And the largest cable company, AT&T Broadband, spent much of the year trying to decide its future before finally falling into the arms of Comcast last week. While each of these events had some effect on customers, nothing has deterred an increasing number of Americans from signing up for high-speed - or broadband - Internet access. "Despite the recession and the demise of many of the providers, broadband is one of the technologies that consumers continue to spend money on," said Jed Kolko, an analyst with Forrester Research. "Given the choice, they will upgrade to broadband before they buy a new PC." ... http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/24/technology/ebusiness/24DSL.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 19:58:58 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM My car insurance would say things like "Coverage starts on (whatever day) at 12:01 AM, to avoid this confusion. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Dec 2001 20:41:52 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Last night, on Capitol Beat, Monty Solomon said: > While each of these events had some effect on customers, nothing has > deterred an increasing number of Americans from signing up for > high-speed - or broadband - Internet access. Waitaminnit, Monty. Didn't you just quote a Wired story the other week that said that, overall, broadband wasn't panning out as well as people would have liked, and many were dropping it, saying it wasn't worth the money? ;-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 2001 00:20:51 -0500 From: scout2001@mailandnews.com (Scout) Subject: BEST telephone headset I am looking for the best telephone headset to use on my phones at home. I have tried various Plantronic sets, Lucent, etc... People have a very difficult time hearing me the second I switch to a headset. any ideas for improvement? since my PDA does not check newsgroups, I would apprecaite an Email to scout2001@mailandnews.com Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 2001 04:47:57 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: AM vs PM... "Al Gillis" wrote: >Ok, after numerous long technical disertations on the topic of AM vs PM and >when one gives way to the other we've finally got that problem resolved. > >Now, here's one for us to concentrate on over the upcoming holiday: How >many Angels can dance on the head of a pin? None. Angels are too busy good works to have time for frivolities. Alan. > >As these Angels are most likely Christian Angels I'll add "Merry Christmas >to all comp.dcom.telecom folks!" (Note to adherents of other belief >systems: select the deity support staff member of your choice when pondering >the question above!) > >Al - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #336 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 26 Dec 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #337 Telecom Digest Wednesday, December 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 337 In this issue: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Dec 2001 09:28:44 -0500 From: wesrock@aol.com (Wesrock) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Robert Casey wa2ise@ix.netcom.com wrpte at 12/24/01 6:58 PM Central Standard Time >My car insurance would say things like "Coverage starts on >(whatever day) at 12:01 AM, to avoid this confusion. I just read in a railroad newsletter to employees that the Kansas City Southern Railroad would not accept freight trains from the BNSF Railroad at Alliance, Texas, from 12:01 a.m. December 24 to 11:59 p.m. December 25. It seems to me I read somewhere that railroad rules forbid using 12:00 noon or 12:00 midnight (however designated) for any purpose. They prefer not to have train wrecks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 2001 10:44:00 -0500 From: wb8foz@panix.com (David Lesher) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Robert Casey writes: >My car insurance would say things like "Coverage starts on >(whatever day) at 12:01 AM, to avoid this confusion. As do most airline schedules, etc. - -- A host is a host from coast to coast.................wb8foz@nrk.com & no one will talk to a host that's close........[v].(301) 56-LINUX Unless the host (that isn't close).........................pob 1433 is busy, hung or dead....................................20915-1433 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 2001 12:24:57 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM In wb8foz@panix.com (David Lesher) writes: >Robert Casey writes: >>My car insurance would say things like "Coverage starts on >>(whatever day) at 12:01 AM, to avoid this confusion. >As do most airline schedules, etc. And the switchovers between "standard" and "daylight savings" time are scheduled for 02:00 in part to avoid any confusion. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Dec 2001 20:08:15 -0500 From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM "Gail M. Hall" writes: > This is really telecom related because I'm looking at what kind of usage > "minutes" are called what and when. > > Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom > business? > > Technically there is no such thing as 12:00 AM or PM. There is 12:00 noon > and 12:00 midnight. AM means before noon and PM means after noon, but > right at noon, it is straight-up noon. I recall reading once, a long time ago, that since AM means "ante meridian" and PM means "post meridian" and ante and post mean before and after, respectively, that noon was written 12 M since it was the "meridian" the other times were before or after. Nobody does this that I recall (or it's certainly obscure if anyone does). What would you write for midnight, in any case? And in English, probably most people would think that 12 M meant midnight. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 00:21:28 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM I'm pretty certain that Chris is right about the ante meridian, post meridian and the possibly archaic usage "12 M". I wonder how much the American railroad (or is it railway?) contributed to this time issue? For some time I've believed that the railroads pushed the widespread use of the "time zone" concept (not necessarily the development of time zones but their common use), removing from each town along the tracks its' own time standard (based on sidereal "noon") and replacing it with "Railroad Time". I'm wondering why the railroads didn't adopt a 24 hour timekeeping system to avoid the obvious problems we're now chewing on. If they'd used a 24 hour system 100 years ago think of all the bandwidth we'd save now by not doing all this keyboarding! So anyone have some references to these questions or other ideas or opinions? To drag this topic back into the Telecomm realm, how do Telecom companies do timekeeping today? Some years ago AT&T used the US Central Time as their "Network Time". I don't know how or if they synched to National Bureau of Standards (now NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology) for precise time of day information. I believe they generated their own time interval standards at Hillsborough, MO which clocked their network (and where we now derive the terms Stratum 1, Stratum 2, etc. terms for stability and interval accuracy). Maybe this means a trip to the local repository of Bell System Technical Journals to kill a wintery afternoon! Merry Christmas to one and all !! Al Chris Jones wrote in message news:tdn666uvlyk.fsf@shell01.TheWorld.com... > "Gail M. Hall" writes: > > > This is really telecom related because I'm looking at what kind of usage > > "minutes" are called what and when. > > > > Is there a consistent definition of 12:00 AM and 12:00 PM in the telecom > > business? > > > > Technically there is no such thing as 12:00 AM or PM. There is 12:00 noon > > and 12:00 midnight. AM means before noon and PM means after noon, but > > right at noon, it is straight-up noon. > > I recall reading once, a long time ago, that since AM means "ante meridian" and > PM means "post meridian" and ante and post mean before and after, respectively, > that noon was written 12 M since it was the "meridian" the other times were > before or after. Nobody does this that I recall (or it's certainly obscure if > anyone does). What would you write for midnight, in any case? And in English, > probably most people would think that 12 M meant midnight. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 00:44:16 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed > Last night, on Capitol Beat, Monty Solomon said: >> While each of these events had some effect on customers, nothing has >> deterred an increasing number of Americans from signing up for >> high-speed - or broadband - Internet access. "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > Waitaminnit, Monty. Didn't you just quote a Wired story the other week > that said that, overall, broadband wasn't panning out as well as people > would have liked, and many were dropping it, saying it wasn't worth the > money? ;-) That doesn't mean there's no demand for reliable high-speed Net access. I've talked to several people who have, or once had, DSL and similar services, and they all tell me that the service they actually got is either so overloaded that throughput is much less than advertised, or goes down frequently (and customer service is no good at fixing it), or both. When someone actually offers reliable high-speed Net access, then we'll see if the demand exists to support it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 01:54:39 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Chris Jones said: > I recall reading once, a long time ago, that since AM means "ante > meridian" and PM means "post meridian" and ante and post mean before > and after, respectively, that noon was written 12 M since it was > the "meridian" the other times were before or after. Nobody does > this that I recall (or it's certainly obscure if anyone does). What > would you write for midnight, in any case? And in English, probably > most people would think that 12 M meant midnight. You did read that; it's correct; and no one does it, for precisely the reason you intuit. :-) Cheers, - -- jr '0000...1200' a - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 02:03:03 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Need clarification of terms for noon and midnight using PM and AM Last night, on Capitol Beat, Al Gillis said: > I wonder how much the American railroad (or is it railway?) contributed to > this time issue? For some time I've believed that the railroads pushed the > widespread use of the "time zone" concept (not necessarily the development > of time zones but their common use), removing from each town along the > tracks its' own time standard (based on sidereal "noon") and replacing it > with "Railroad Time". I'm wondering why the railroads didn't adopt a 24 > hour timekeeping system to avoid the obvious problems we're now chewing on. > If they'd used a 24 hour system 100 years ago think of all the bandwidth > we'd save now by not doing all this keyboarding! So anyone have some > references to these questions or other ideas or opinions? Yes, indeed, timezones were originated by the rail industry. Today, the laws implementing the boundaries are promulgated, if memory serves me correctly, by the Department of Commerce. > To drag this topic back into the Telecomm realm, how do Telecom companies do > timekeeping today? Some years ago AT&T used the US Central Time as their > "Network Time". I don't know how or if they synched to National Bureau of > Standards (now NIST - National Institute of Standards and Technology) for > precise time of day information. I believe they generated their own time > interval standards at Hillsborough, MO which clocked their network (and > where we now derive the terms Stratum 1, Stratum 2, etc. terms for stability > and interval accuracy). Maybe this means a trip to the local repository of > Bell System Technical Journals to kill a wintery afternoon! Yeah, that'd be a good start. AT&T's original Strat-1 cluster was indeed, Google tells me, in Hillsboro, MO. Back in the bad old days, the circuits distributed the timing, or so I understand it -- I'm *still* looking for a used SR-2275 :-) -- but nowadays, especially in this age of multiple IXC's, and smarter gear -- I gather that stuff is merely re-framed to fit the local clock. It used to be, too, that the single most accurate reference signal available to the general public was the 3.579545...MHz color subcarrier oscillator in a TV set *watching a network originated program*. That, of course, died when frame-synchronizers became practical, and became immaterial when GPS receivers got cheap enough -- they being how standard time is moved around quite a bit these days. Google for, among other things "NTP", if you'd like to learn more about computerized time than you ever really wanted to know. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 02:07:38 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Last night, on Capitol Beat, John David Galt, said: > > Last night, on Capitol Beat, Monty Solomon said: > >> While each of these events had some effect on customers, nothing has > >> deterred an increasing number of Americans from signing up for > >> high-speed - or broadband - Internet access. > > "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > > Waitaminnit, Monty. Didn't you just quote a Wired story the other week > > that said that, overall, broadband wasn't panning out as well as people > > would have liked, and many were dropping it, saying it wasn't worth the > > money? ;-) > > That doesn't mean there's no demand for reliable high-speed Net access. > I've talked to several people who have, or once had, DSL and similar > services, and they all tell me that the service they actually got is > either so overloaded that throughput is much less than advertised, or > goes down frequently (and customer service is no good at fixing it), or > both. > > When someone actually offers reliable high-speed Net access, then we'll > see if the demand exists to support it. Well, define "reliable". I've had cablemodem service from RR Tampa Bay now for 11 months, and I'm on it a *LOT*, and I can think of 2 instances -- one for about 5 minutes, and one that might have been no more than 10, but it was 0300 when I got home, and I was too tired to wait -- when it was completely out, and no more than a couple when there were problems (transit, DHCP, and the like) that kept me from getting work done. So, in 330 days, maybe I've had 2 hours cume of downtime. That doesn't suck, by my standards. I've had more trouble with DSL, actually, than with cablemodem. Though the GTE-all-the-way links have been reasonably reliable. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #337 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 27 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #338 Telecom Digest Thursday, December 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 338 In this issue: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: AM vs PM... Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: AM vs PM... Re: NPAs that are entirely local Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed EchoStar exec unveils ambitious plan ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Dec 2001 11:14:07 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed "Jay R. Ashworth" writes: >From: "Jay R. Ashworth" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed >Date: 26 Dec 2001 02:07:38 -0500 >Organization: RoadRunner - TampaBay > >John David Galt wrote: > > > > When someone actually offers reliable high-speed Net access, then > > we'll see if the demand exists to support it. > >Well, define "reliable". > >I've had cablemodem service from RR Tampa Bay now for 11 months, and >I'm on it a *LOT*, and I can think of 2 instances -- one for about 5 >minutes, and one that might have been no more than 10, but it was 0300 >when I got home, and I was too tired to wait -- when it was completely >out, and no more than a couple when there were problems (transit, DHCP, >and the like) that kept me from getting work done. > >So, in 330 days, maybe I've had 2 hours cume of downtime. That doesn't >suck, by my standards. That's consistent with my experience with RCN cable modem service here in the Boston area. This connection was set up in May of 2000 and has never suffered any significant service interruption. I had much more trouble with the v.90 and ISDN dial-up services which I used prior to cable broadband. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 15:19:28 -0500 From: Bob.Natale@AppliedSNMP.com Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Hi, >> When someone actually offers reliable high-speed Net access, then we'll >> see if the demand exists to support it. > >Well, define "reliable". Better than my recent/current experience with Comcast here in Montgomery County MD. I acquired my self-install kit on 12/03 and have since spent many, many hours on the phone, re-powering the modem (Motorola Surfboard 4100), "watching the LEDs", checking cable connections, speaking with neighbors (with the same problems -- all related to no "send channel lock"), etc. At this point, I am thoroughly disgusted with the experience. Oh, to add insult to injury, despite the "30-days free" service offer (which they clocked at the time of the self-install on 12/03), I have received my first bill already -- due date is 1/6/02 -- for the period 1/3-1/21/02! To be fair here, there have been a couple of positives in my experience thus far: Especially the work of least one Comcast field tech (Chris, ID #535) who came to my home on 12/18 did an outstanding job in terms of honesty, diligence, and effectiveness (identified the outside plant problem). Also, everyone has been very polite and they have kept the tech support services open and well-staffed during the holiday period. The visit on 12/18 led to a fix and the service worked very well from then through Sat 12/22...we were all very pleased. However, on Sunday evening (or earlier) 12/23, the exact same symptom (no send channel lock) re-appeared for both us and our neighbors (whose experience has *exactly* mirrored ours from the beginning, with the exception that they had Comcast do the original install and I did the self-install (which is really nothing other than plugging cables into the modem and powering it up)). The only conceivable "external" cause for this was the first significant rain in the area since the successful outside plant work on 12/18...? Since Sunday evening -- it's now Wed afternoon, 12/26 -- we see the send channel lock successfully and the service come up on its own for 5-10 minutes periods once every 4-6 hours or so (these are both gross approximations). The hardest part has been in trying to get in contact with someone at the field engineering level in the *local* Comcast offices (as opposed to the @Home tech support centers) to talk to about the symptoms. However, I did recently follow a convoluted chain of leads and calls and believe we have now made that connection. We have a "temporary trouble call" date of 1/12/02 but a hope that the problem will be fixed "much before then". I hope so. I know Comcast is dealing with the demise of Excite@Home and I think they are doing a pretty good job of that. I know that they are installing lots of new equipment to service Montgomery County and I applaud them for that. I am looking forward optimistically to the positive results of each process. In the meantime, it's been a real bummer. The best thing I think Comcast could do during this period is open a web site with *lots* of up-to-date status info and open dialog online both with and among customers. It's the feeling of wandering around lost in the fog that really irritates me. Looking back on what I've written, I see that I've mostly vented a lot of personal frustration, with an insufficiently positive signal to noise ratio for the readers of this list. I apologize for that, but have decided to let it stand in the hope that it might have some social value in this group. (I recall now reading a funny column by Dave Barry -- he writes "The Wit's End" column syndicated in many Sunday papers around the country -- a couple of weeks ago where he recounted (humorously) a very similar experience his household had just gone through in the Miami area (he did not mention his cable company, to the best of my recollection).) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 15:37:07 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? "John C. Sanders" wrote: >Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on >the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that >wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? Lateral thinking please - Set the ringer(s) to silent when he goes to bed! Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon / +44 7802 468949 / denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Top-posters, posters of adverts & binaries are scum. Killfile! Block [a.b.*.*] of any UC/BE relay. Posts > 100 lines ignored. sulfnbk is not a virus, see the symantec virus encyclopaedia! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 19:10:39 -0500 From: gpn@techie.com Subject: Re: AM vs PM... On 23 Dec 2001 17:20:36 -0500, "Al Gillis" wrote: >Ok, after numerous long technical disertations on the topic of AM vs PM and >when one gives way to the other we've finally got that problem resolved. Not so fast, Angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin boy! The fat lady may have sung, but she ain't dropped dead yet. As others have pointed out, A.M. and P.M. mean Ante- and Post Meridiem, or Before Noon, and After Noon, respectively. What nobody seems to have pointed out (until now), is the obvious fact that 12:00 M. (i.e. 12 Meridiem) means 12 Noon (precisely). No, this is not a joke, it really is a legal way of saying Noon, and no that's not a typo, it's an "M", not an "N"! I just thought I'd add this little extra bit of confusion to what is already a charmingly confusing topic. I actually read this some time back in some old legal reference, but I can't cite it for you, so you'll just have to take my word for it (or not). But if you can find the citation, you can probably win a bar bet with it. Strictly speaking (and what's the point, otherwise?), 12 A.M. and 12 P.M. *both* refer to midnight, depending on whether you are talking about the one that happens at the beginning or end of the day (just as with 0000 and 2400). I dare you to top THAT for confusion. Of course all this dates from the days before digital watches, which for manufacturing convenience have adopted the convention that midnight is AM and noon is PM. It's not as good as a standard but, as there are now more digital watches in the world than there are human beings who can tell time, we're outnumbered and will simply have to go with the flow. =GPN "The days of the digital watch are numbered" --Tom Stoppard - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 19:19:07 -0500 From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local In article <9vl6fc$f8n$1@panix2.panix.com>, David Lesher wrote: >catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) writes: > >>>ENTIRELY LOCAL: >>>... > >>216: Cleveland and some close-in suburbs. > >216 may be now, but prior to the 440/330 splits, it was anything but. >Lorain, Elyria, Oberlin, Medina, Akron, Geauga, Painesville, etc. were >all intraLATA toll. Exactly. But that was then and this is now. 216 doesn't cover nearly the amount of ground it used to. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 20:19:46 -0500 From: Chris Jones Subject: Re: AM vs PM... gpn@techie.com writes: > On 23 Dec 2001 17:20:36 -0500, "Al Gillis" wrote: [...] > What nobody seems to have pointed out (until now), is the obvious fact that > 12:00 M. (i.e. 12 Meridiem) means 12 Noon (precisely). No, this is not a > joke, it really is a legal way of saying Noon, and no that's not a typo, > it's an "M", not an "N"! Hey, I don't like being called nobody. I pointed this out in article , written barely a day ago. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Dec 2001 21:19:41 -0500 From: sjsobol@JustThe.net (Steven J. Sobol) Subject: Re: NPAs that are entirely local >From 'Mark W. Schumann' : >Exactly. But that was then and this is now. 216 doesn't cover nearly >the amount of ground it used to. It doesn't even cover all of Cuyahoga County. It covers Cleveland and the inner-ring suburbs. That's about it. Lessee. That'd be about, what, a dozen municipalities? if that many? - -- JustThe.net LLC - Steve "Web Dude" Sobol, CTO ICQ: 56972932/WebDude216 website: http://JustThe.net email: sjsobol@JustThe.net phone: 216.619.2NET postal: 5686 Davis Drive, Mentor On The Lake, OH 44060-2752 DalNet: ZX-2 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 2001 00:16:24 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Demand Grows for Net Service at High Speed Last night, on Capitol Beat, Bob.Natale@AppliedSNMP.com said: > (I recall now reading a funny column by Dave Barry -- he > writes "The Wit's End" column syndicated in many Sunday > papers around the country -- a couple of weeks ago where > he recounted (humorously) a very similar experience his > household had just gone through in the Miami area (he did > not mention his cable company, to the best of my recollection).) The column has a *name*?? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 2001 03:58:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: EchoStar exec unveils ambitious plan EchoStar exec unveils ambitious plan Chief executive's agenda more than what many expected By Andy Pasztor THE WALL STREET JOURNAL LITTLETON, Colo., Dec. 26 - Months before federal regulators are expected to rule on whether EchoStar Communications Corp. can acquire Hughes Electronics Corp., EchoStar's feisty chairman is confounding industry experts with his plans for the combined satellite-to-home television-broadcasting company. ... http://www.msnbc.com/news/677961.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #338 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 28 Dec 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #339 Telecom Digest Friday, December 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 339 In this issue: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Cable-Satellite Fight Heats Up Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #335 Should Net access be regulated like electricity, water and phone service? FCC Approves Boeing's Connexion Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Dec 2001 21:30:50 -0500 From: Jack Decker Subject: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? If this is true, I would not think these phones are so great on adult brains either... perhaps cell phones should be redesigned to get the active part of the antenna AWAY from the body, and especially the brain! THE CHILD SCRAMBLER What a mobile can do to a youngster's brain in 2 mins THESE are the first images that show the shocking effect that using a mobile phone has on a child's brain. Scientists have discovered that a call lasting just two minutes can alter the natural electrical activity of a child's brain for up to an hour afterwards. And they also found for the first time how radio waves from mobile phones penetrate deep into the brain and not just around the ear. The study by Spanish scientists has prompted leading medical experts to question whether it is safe for children to use mobile phones at all. Doctors fear that disturbed brain activity in children could lead to psychiatric and behavioural problems or impair learning ability. Full story at: http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P15S3.shtml _____ Resources for Michigan Telephone Users page: http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 2001 22:14:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cable-Satellite Fight Heats Up Cable-Satellite Fight Heats Up By Lisa Delgado 2:00 a.m. Dec. 26, 2001 PST When Lynn Ellis has a movie night at home with her family this winter, she gladly skips the cold drive to her local video store in Evanston, Illinois. Instead, she pops some popcorn and -- with a few clicks of the remote - -- she orders a film from her Insight Communications digital cable video-on-demand service. Video on demand lets her choose from hundreds of videos to watch whenever she wants. ... http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,49305,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Dec 2001 23:30:59 -0500 From: acuma@aztec.asu.edu (CHRIS N ACUMA) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #335 CHRISTIAN ANGELS the christians didnt invent angels. the hindus invented angels. they called them devadas. this was about 2000 years before the christians. the next major religion to have angels were the buddists. the buddist religion was a split off from hinduism. i think this was about 800 years before the christian religion. the next major religion to have angels were the christians. they copied them from the buddist and hindu religions. if your a hindu you probably know about this god. he was born to a virgin mother. wize men followed a star to find him and gave him gifts. he was born in a stable. a evil king heard about the birth of this god and ordered all the kids born on that day to be killed. this gods name was krishna. the christians copied him and used him for their christ god. for that matter the christians probably also the god buddha who is also a clone of the hindu god krishna. the religion of islam also has angels in it. i suspect they copied them from the hindus, buddests, and christians. the religion of islam also has a jesus christ in it. but in islam their jesus christ is not a god but a prophet. orginally i was raised as a catholic but since have become an atheist. to be honest i have learned more about the bible and other religions since i became an atheist. - -- "Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." -- Noah Webster - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 00:46:10 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Should Net access be regulated like electricity, water and phone service? Should Net access be regulated like electricity, water and phone service? By CNET News.com Staff December 26, 2001, 8:00 a.m. PT The collapse of Excite@Home created a range of headaches for nearly 1 million customers who were switched to AT&T Broadband. In addition to the temporary loss of Net access, many customers are still trying to retrieve old e-mail messages. Others are asking why the company has not sent out change-of-address notices. After all, if a public-storage company goes out of business, customers can still claim their belongings. And the U.S. Postal Service readily handles change-of-address requests. As more commerce and communication is done over the Net, is it time for government oversight? ... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-201-8244962-0.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 02:03:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Approves Boeing's Connexion Service December 27, 2001 FCC Approves Boeing's Connexion Service By Matt Carolan The Federal Communications Commission Thursday approved Boeing Co.'s application to provide high-speed Net access service for air travelers. ... http://www.eweek.com/article/0,3658,s=1884&a=20469,00.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #339 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 29 Dec 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #340 Telecom Digest Saturday, December 29 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 340 In this issue: Question about modem wirings. Re: BEST telephone headset Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? HDSL2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Dec 2001 09:42:14 -0500 From: Dexter@wiregrass.com (Justin AKA LOTR) Subject: Question about modem wirings. I would like to know why does some 56k V.90 modems need to have double twisted pairs(red,green,black and yellow) to work properly while others only need 1 pair(red and green)to work properly and also can anyone tell me how do I wire my phone line for my modem that uses double twisted pair? (it can work but it can't get good 56k connects)and also I read from some where I must exchange the 1st line (red and green) with the second line (black and yellow)so that the second line will be in the middle of the RJ-14 line (is that true??) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 09:59:51 -0500 From: "Bryan Hesters" Subject: Re: BEST telephone headset We use ACS Applicas. I don't know if it's the "Best" but they're simple to use, easy to work with/on, and very reliable. Their analog series is relatively inexpensive. Bryan "Scout" wrote in message news:3a487b23.0112242118.7091464c@posting.google.com... > I am looking for the best telephone headset to use on my phones at > home. > > I have tried various Plantronic sets, Lucent, etc... People have a > very difficult time hearing me the second I switch to a headset. > > any ideas for improvement? > > since my PDA does not check newsgroups, I would apprecaite an Email to > scout2001@mailandnews.com > > Thank you. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 09:59:52 -0500 From: "Bryan Hesters" Subject: Re: Answering Machine That Answers on First Ring? Has anyone suggest he just forward his phone to Time and Temp? "Denis Mcmahon" wrote in message news:o2dk2us0uugajod8t2kf1nt0t08qrpksdc@4ax.com... > "John C. Sanders" wrote: > > >Does anyone know of an answering machine that can be programmed to answer on > >the initial (first) ring such that the called party never hears a ring (that > >wakes him up) before the machine takes the call? > > Lateral thinking please - Set the ringer(s) to silent when he goes to > bed! > > Rgds > Denis > -- > Denis McMahon / +44 7802 468949 / denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk > Top-posters, posters of adverts & binaries are scum. Killfile! > Block [a.b.*.*] of any UC/BE relay. Posts > 100 lines ignored. > sulfnbk is not a virus, see the symantec virus encyclopaedia! > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 16:49:37 -0500 From: "Nortec" Subject: Re: Graphical front end for Nortel Meridian 1? Ask your vendor about Optivity. "Thomas Hackett" wrote in message news:_1zT7.10206$O7.1127321@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net... > Does anyone know of a graphical front end client that has been made for the > Meridian 1 PBX? I have been working on one for over 2 years now and the Wise > terminal is killing me. I have thought about writing a small XML client that > would execute the Load commands for me but I really don't have the time to > code it all. If anyone has heard of such a thing please let me know. > Thanks > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Dec 2001 21:32:44 -0500 From: pherrald@altavista.com (pherrald) Subject: HDSL2 Working for a CLEC, I have experienced problems on DS-1's where we lease HDSL-2 from an RBOC. Looking at the DS-1 from the CLEC DS-1 equipment, the DS-1 Performance Monitoring registers are all clean (zero errors of all types). The problem is, dial-up analog modem data won't stay connected even thou the DS-1 portion of the circuit looks clean. When we perform dial-up DS-0 BERT tests thru the DS-1 and HDSL-2 circuit I see 50,000 to 70,000 bit errors per minute. Is it possible that the HDSL-2 portion of the circuit is dirty but the recreated DS-1 circuit looks clean but is realy dirty from the DS-1 portion of the circuit? _____________ ____________ _______| HDSL-2 |__HDSL-2__ | | DS-1 | Modem | Errors | HDSL-2 |___DS-1_______ |____________| |___________| - -clean----- -------dirty----- -----clean------ ___________________________Clean on PM Regs ________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #340 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 30 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #341 Telecom Digest Sunday, December 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 341 In this issue: Re: Question about modem wirings. Pat's home cheap dialaround service pac bell hell ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 29 Dec 2001 15:18:26 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. Double pairs seperate the transmit and receive. Single pairs duplex both directions on ...................... a single pair. Justin AKA LOTR wrote: > I would like to know why does some 56k V.90 modems need to have double > twisted pairs(red,green,black and yellow) to work properly while > others only need 1 pair(red and green)to work properly and also can > anyone tell me how do I wire my phone line for my modem that uses > double twisted pair? (it can work but it can't get good 56k > connects)and also I read from some where I must exchange the 1st line > (red and green) with the second line (black and yellow)so that the > second line will be in the middle of the RJ-14 line (is that true??) > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 29 Dec 2001 23:57:34 -0500 From: "John R Levine" Subject: Pat's home I got a phone call from Pat yesterday. He says he's out of the nursing home and back at his mother's house in Kansas City. He's arranged for the phone company to hook him up with DSL in the next week or so. Once that's working, I expect him to start editing the digest as soon as we blow the dust off all his old shell scripts and fix whatever's broken in the past two years. Regards, John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org Telecom Digest moderator pro tem - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 00:49:24 -0500 From: "John R Levine" Subject: cheap dialaround service Someone wrote to ask about the dialaround long distance service I've been using, USA Datanet. They started here in upstate NY, now provide service in nearly all of NY, MA, NH, CT, RI, DE, DC, most of NJ, PA, and MD, and northern VA. (The complete list of local access numbers at http://www.usadatanet.com/clisting.html) It's dialaround, so rather than switching your dial-1 carrier, you call their access number, then the number you want. If you're not calling from a number you've registered with them, you have to dial your account number before the number to call. Their regular rate is 4.9 cpm anywhere in the US and Canada which is quite competitive for inter-state LD and better than anything else I've seen for Canada and in-state LD. They also have an odd plan for people who make long calls where calls are 10 cpm, but each individual call is capped at 99 cents if you're calling the northeast, $1.99 elsewhere. They have nationwide 800 access at 14.9 cpm. They send you a bill every month; you can either send them a check or authorize them to charge it to your credit card which is what I do. I find it useful for in-state and Canada LD, and also as a travel card when visiting friends and relatives, since if I'm someplace that's a local call from any of their access numbers, I can call it and get my usual 4.9 cpm price. They also have inbound 800 service which is OK but nothing special and dialup Internet service which is really cheap if you're within their home Syracuse LATA, otherwise OK but again nothing special. More info and sign up at www.usadatanet.com. Their network is VoIP but it's their own dedicated IP network, call quality is fine. Venal part: if you tell them I sent you when you sign up, both you and I get a $2 referral credit. Send e-mail if you want my referral number. Regards, John Levine, johnl@iecc.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies", Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Sewer Commissioner Write for PGP key, f'print = 3A 5B D0 3F D9 A0 6A A4 2D AC 1E 9E A6 36 A3 47 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 02:20:10 -0500 From: Greg Hiscott Subject: pac bell hell http://www.pacbellhell.com Please post any true and verifiable horror stories. Thanks - -- http://keyconnect.net v:818.552.4455 f:818.545.0633 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #341 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 31 Dec 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #342 Telecom Digest Monday, December 31 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 342 In this issue: Re: Question about modem wirings. Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Re: Pat's home Re: Question about modem wirings. Re: Pat's home Re: Question about modem wirings. Re: Question about modem wirings. If you are a Dialogic's expert,please help me! New View of the Map at Cable and Wireless Wireless wrap-up: Carriers moving to 3G alternative in 2002 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 30 Dec 2001 07:44:13 -0500 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. >Date: 29 Dec 2001 15:18:26 -0500 >From: Seymour Dupa >Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. > >Double pairs seperate the transmit and receive. Single pairs duplex both >directions >on ...................... a single pair. Seymour, Did you ever read a book called 'Hastings Mills' when you were a kid? Fred - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 13:01:01 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Jack Decker writes: >From: Jack Decker >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? >Date: 27 Dec 2001 21:30:50 -0500 > >If this is true, I would not think these phones are so great on adult >brains either... perhaps cell phones should be redesigned to get the active >part of the antenna AWAY from the body, and especially the brain! > > THE CHILD SCRAMBLER > What a mobile can do to a youngster's brain in 2 mins > > THESE are the first images that show the shocking effect that using a > mobile phone has on a child's brain. . . . > >Full story at: >http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P15S3.shtml I have never considered the Sunday Mirror my primary source for scientific and technical reporting. The article mentions the source of this study as the "Spanish Neuro Diagnostic Research Institute in Marbella." I've been unable to locate any institute by that name, although Marbella -- being a very popular destination beach resort -- hosts many, many conferences. This could have been based on a paper presented at one of those conferences. The article also quotes "Dr. Gerald Hyland - a Government adviser on mobiles" as finding the results "extremely disturbing". Dr. Hyland may have presented reports to the British government, but he is an academic who has made a career of speaking on the topic of the dangers of mobile phones. You will find him quoted in many of the advertisements for "radiation shields for your cellphone" which appear on the web, in spam, and in print. The official British goverment statement, published about a year ago, on the safety of mobile phones can be found at: http://www.doh.gov.uk/mobilephones/mobilephones.htm Quoting in part from this document: "However the research does show that using mobile phones affects brain activity. There are also significant gaps in our scientific knowledge. Because the head and nervous system are still developing into the teenage years, the expert group considered that if there are any unrecognised health risks from mobile phone use, then children and young people might be more vulnerable than adults." If you search around the web, you'll find some further information about the effect of mobile phones on brain activity, including some imaging which has been done as part of the research. My susupicion is that the Sunday Mirror story is "filler" based upon old news and couched in appropriate tabliod breathless prose. Of course, hand-held wireless phones can be dangerous in other ways. For example, about a week ago, the chief of police in a suburban community south of Boston struck a teenager who, while taking on a cellphone, walked out in front of the chief's police car from between parked cars. This happened in the early evening, after dark -- and, fortunately, the teen was not too seriously injured. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 13:14:18 -0500 From: "Herb Stein" Subject: Re: Pat's home "John R Levine" wrote in message news:Pine.BSI.4.40.0112292354510.4979-100000@tom.iecc.com... > I got a phone call from Pat yesterday. He says he's out of the nursing > home and back at his mother's house in Kansas City. He's arranged for the > phone company to hook him up with DSL in the next week or so. Once that's > working, I expect him to start editing the digest as soon as we blow the > dust off all his old shell scripts and fix whatever's broken in the past > two years. > > Regards, > John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org > Telecom Digest moderator pro tem > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. I'm glad to here the good news! I'm looking forward to hearing from him again. It's been a long time. He must be doing well if he'll be able to get back into the digest. - -- Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 14:42:54 -0500 From: Neal McLain Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. In TD 2001-340, Dexter@wiregrass.com (Justin AKA LOTR) asked: > I would like to know why does some 56k V.90 modems need > to have double twisted pairs(red, green, black and > yellow) to work properly while others only need 1 > pair(red and green)to work properly ... To which Seymour Dupa responded: > Double pairs seperate (sic) the transmit and receive. > Single pairs duplex both directions on > ...................... a single pair. Unless it's a very unusual modem, it should be designed to work with a standard single-pair telephone line. This is by far the most common situation. In this case, the modem requires only two wires, tip and ring. If the jack on the wall is a six-pin modular jack wired for one phone line, it's an RJ-11. It should be wired as follows: Pin 1 = Not used Pin 2 = Not used Pin 3 = Tip = Green Pin 4 = Ring = Red (memory device: R=R) Pin 5 = Not used Pin 6 = Not used If the jack on the wall is a six-pin modular jack wired for two phone lines, it's an RJ-14. Unless something weird has been done, it should be wired as follows: Pin 1 = Not used Pin 2 = Line 2 Ring = Yellow Pin 3 = Line 1 Tip = Green Pin 4 = Line 1 Ring = Red Pin 5 = Line 2 Tip = Black Pin 6 = Not used > and also can anyone tell me how do I wire my phone line > for my modem that uses double twisted pair? (it can work > but it can't get good 56k connects) ... If your modem really uses "double twisted pair," it's a very unusual modem. Perhaps some other reader may know more about this type of modem than I do. > and also I read from some where I must exchange the 1st > line (red and green) with the second line (black and > yellow)so that the second line will be in the middle of > the RJ-14 line (is that true??) Yes, assuming that you want use Line 2 for the modem and that you don't want to use an adapter. In this case, you would rewire the jack as follows: Pin 1 = Not used Pin 2 = Line 1 Ring = Red Pin 3 = Line 2 Tip = Black Pin 4 = Line 2 Ring = Yellow Pin 5 = Line 1 Tip = Green Pin 6 = Not used Alternatively, you can use an adapter to split the two lines of the RJ-14 into two separate RJ-11 jacks. They're available online from Office Depot at http://www.officedepot.com/shop/search/skuResults.asp?type=3&DIV%5FID=24&CATG%5FID=2401&SUB%5FCATG%5FID=2401003&FAM%5FID=173047&ANDOR=&WILDCARDS=&STEMMING=&advancedqu=triplex+adapter&SID=K6RHT2FVANEB9NADV34ETS468FXR2429&PP=0 For background info about phone wiring, here are two worthwhile links: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4116/clr-code.html http://www.oreilly.com/reference/dictionary/terms/T/Tip_and_Ring.htm Neal McLain nmclain@annsgarden.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 22:31:24 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Pat's home This is excellent news to start our new year! I wish Pat as well as all the rest of us a happy and prosperous 2002! John R Levine wrote in message news:Pine.BSI.4.40.0112292354510.4979-100000@tom.iecc.com... > I got a phone call from Pat yesterday. He says he's out of the nursing > home and back at his mother's house in Kansas City. He's arranged for the > phone company to hook him up with DSL in the next week or so. Once that's > working, I expect him to start editing the digest as soon as we blow the > dust off all his old shell scripts and fix whatever's broken in the past > two years. > > Regards, > John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org > Telecom Digest moderator pro tem > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 22:47:37 -0500 From: "Al Gillis" Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. Keep in mind that the cable our poster described (Quad, JKT, and probably a million other nicknames) is NOT twisted! The Red, Green, Yellow and Black leads run parallel to one another and runs of only moderate length will give rise to all manner of crosstalk and other transmission "impairments" if given half a chance. If I were in Dexter's shoes, I'd pull out all the quad involved in my home (office or where ever) and use real twisted pair. (Well, maybe I'd wait until Spring to do this, especially if he's in Buffalo!) Twisted pair cable can, of course, be identified by removing about a foot of the jacket and looking to see if the pairs are actually twisted. You might do this to a length of Quad as well - notice how nice and straight the conductors are?!? The colors you will find making up a pair are White & Blue for the first pair, White & Orange for the second pair, White & Green for the third pair and, finally, White and Brown for pair number 4. Be careful to not "split" a pair. Frequently we hear of someone installing a new back bedroom telephone by using some combination like "the Orange and Green wires". That may work for a while , but it has Murphy waiting in the wings ! Happy New Year! Al Neal McLain wrote in message news:3C2F6DD0.20D1@annsgarden.com... > In TD 2001-340, Dexter@wiregrass.com (Justin AKA LOTR) asked: > > > I would like to know why does some 56k V.90 modems need > > to have double twisted pairs(red, green, black and > > yellow) to work properly while others only need 1 > > pair(red and green)to work properly ... > > To which Seymour Dupa responded: > > > Double pairs seperate (sic) the transmit and receive. > > Single pairs duplex both directions on > > ...................... a single pair. > > Unless it's a very unusual modem, it should be designed to work with a > standard single-pair telephone line. This is by far the most common > situation. In this case, the modem requires only two wires, tip and > ring. > > If the jack on the wall is a six-pin modular jack wired for one phone > line, it's an RJ-11. It should be wired as follows: > Pin 1 = Not used > Pin 2 = Not used > Pin 3 = Tip = Green > Pin 4 = Ring = Red (memory device: R=R) > Pin 5 = Not used > Pin 6 = Not used > > If the jack on the wall is a six-pin modular jack wired for two phone > lines, it's an RJ-14. Unless something weird has been done, it should > be wired as follows: > Pin 1 = Not used > Pin 2 = Line 2 Ring = Yellow > Pin 3 = Line 1 Tip = Green > Pin 4 = Line 1 Ring = Red > Pin 5 = Line 2 Tip = Black > Pin 6 = Not used > > > and also can anyone tell me how do I wire my phone line > > for my modem that uses double twisted pair? (it can work > > but it can't get good 56k connects) ... > > If your modem really uses "double twisted pair," it's a very unusual > modem. Perhaps some other reader may know more about this type of modem > than I do. > > > and also I read from some where I must exchange the 1st > > line (red and green) with the second line (black and > > yellow)so that the second line will be in the middle of > > the RJ-14 line (is that true??) > > Yes, assuming that you want use Line 2 for the modem and that you don't > want to use an adapter. In this case, you would rewire the jack as > follows: > Pin 1 = Not used > Pin 2 = Line 1 Ring = Red > Pin 3 = Line 2 Tip = Black > Pin 4 = Line 2 Ring = Yellow > Pin 5 = Line 1 Tip = Green > Pin 6 = Not used > > Alternatively, you can use an adapter to split the two lines of the > RJ-14 into two separate RJ-11 jacks. They're available online from > Office Depot at > http://www.officedepot.com/shop/search/skuResults.asp?type=3&DIV%5FID=24&CAT G%5FID=2401&SUB%5FCATG%5FID=2401003&FAM%5FID=173047&ANDOR=&WILDCARDS=&STEMMI NG=&advancedqu=triplex+adapter&SID=K6RHT2FVANEB9NADV34ETS468FXR2429&PP=0 > > For background info about phone wiring, here are two worthwhile links: > http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/4116/clr-code.html > http://www.oreilly.com/reference/dictionary/terms/T/Tip_and_Ring.htm > > Neal McLain > nmclain@annsgarden.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 30 Dec 2001 23:15:00 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. "Al Gillis" wrote: >If I were in Dexter's shoes, I'd pull out all the quad involved in my home >(office or where ever) and use real twisted pair. (Well, maybe I'd wait >until Spring to do this, especially if he's in Buffalo!) Twisted pair cable >can, of course, be identified by removing about a foot of the jacket and >looking to see if the pairs are actually twisted. You might do this to a >length of Quad as well - notice how nice and straight the conductors are?!? > >The colors you will find making up a pair are White & Blue for the first >pair, White & Orange for the second pair, White & Green for the third pair >and, finally, White and Brown for pair number 4. Be careful to not "split" >a pair. Frequently we hear of someone installing a new back bedroom >telephone by using some combination like "the Orange and Green wires". That >may work for a while , but it has Murphy waiting in the wings ! The first thing I had to learn when I started training in 1945 was: Blue, orange, green, brown , slate, blue-white, blue-orange, blue-green .......... I thought that they had scrapped this years ago. Alan. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 00:03:34 -0500 From: chxchl@21cn.com (yuanweihua) Subject: If you are a Dialogic's expert,please help me! My app use Dialgoc D600SC-E1 card,NT4+sp4,DNA3 driver, and sometimes throw Access Violation Exception at Address 00000000. I run it under VC++ IDE and write down the call stack when exception happened: 00000000() :00000000 LibDXXMT: 10009318 LibDXXMT: 1000df21 LibSRLMT: 002f4bc7 Please give me some ideas about what cause this and how to solve it? Thank you! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 03:09:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New View of the Map at Cable and Wireless December 31, 2001 New View of the Map at Cable and Wireless By SIMON ROMERO When Kenny Anthony was re-elected prime minister of St. Lucia this month, one of the first faxed congratulations he received was from a high-ranking executive at Britain's Cable and Wireless. It came from the chief executive of the telephone company's regional operations, which include more than a dozen Caribbean countries and far-flung locales like Diego Garcia, the Falkland Islands and Macao. Rarely had a powerful Cable and Wireless executive been so swift and cordial in his congratulations. "Cable and Wireless has learned that they have to play marbles with us," said Earl Bousquet, Mr. Anthony's spokesman. "They are recognizing the need for a relationship free of colonial baggage." Some of the fawning is a response to St. Lucia's decision in April to end Cable and Wireless's century-old monopoly, permitting competition in its telephone market. St. Lucia, the most populous of the island countries that make up the Organization of Eastern Caribbean States, followed the example of neighbors like Jamaica that have sought to weaken Cable and Wireless's grip on their markets. The opening of the telecommunications markets where Cable and Wireless operates is just one of the challenges facing the 129-year-old company, which long provided telegraph and telephone service in the colonies of the British Empire. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/31/business/worldbusiness/31CABL.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 04:08:05 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wireless wrap-up: Carriers moving to 3G alternative in 2002 Wireless wrap-up: Carriers moving to 3G alternative in 2002 By Ephraim Schwartz December 21, 2001 1:52 pm PT THE WIRELESS STRATEGIES to stimulate the adoption of mobile data among enterprises that were hatched in the boardrooms of major telecommunications carriers in 2001 are likely to take hold in 2002. Chief among those strategies will be a move by carriers like Sprint and VoiceStream -- and possibly AT&T Wireless -- to offer an alternative to their current 3G (third-generation) plans via low-cost, high-performance access to data over Wi-Fi (IEEE 802.11b/a) solutions. ... http://www.infoworld.com/articles/hn/xml/01/12/21/011221hnwirelesswrap.xml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #342 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 1 Jan 2002 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #343 Telecom Digest Tuesday, January 1 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 343 In this issue: Crosstalk quad Lacing knot? Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Re: Lacing knot? Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Simple How To on Dial Plans AT&T customers to see fee hike Re: HDSL2 Re: Lacing knot? Re: AT&T customers to see fee hike ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 31 Dec 2001 08:07:07 -0500 From: jsw@ivgate.omahug.org Subject: Crosstalk quad A friend and long-time employee of Ma Bell (hi Krusty, you listening ??) pointed out to me the reason for quad's reputation for crosstalk, after I found out the hard way by letting the contractor's electrician wire the phone jacks in our new house in the 80's. Genuine Ma Bell Quad has the red and green opposite to each other, ditto for the yellow-black pair, and does indeed have a slight twist. Popeil Quad has the red and green right next to each other and the same for yellow-black. The cheapie quad will therefore generate quite a bit of crosstalk when two lines are used, while the Genuine Ma Bell quad will be quite resistant to crosstalk. My quick fix was to rewire everything so opposite conductors were used for each line. This reduced the modem crosstalk on the voice line to an inaudible level. Permanent fix was to swim through about two feet of blown insulation and pull good cable up to the computer room upstairs. Good day JSW >Keep in mind that the cable our poster described (Quad, JKT, and >probably a million other nicknames) is NOT twisted! The Red, Green, >Yellow and Black leads run parallel to one another and runs of only >moderate length will give rise to all manner of crosstalk and other >transmission "impairments" if given half a chance. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 10:29:57 -0500 From: "Gordon S. Hlavenka" Subject: Lacing knot? Is there an online tutorial somewhere that shows how to use flat lacing twine? I know the "modern" way is to use tie-wraps, steel bands, or somesuch, but I'd like to learn how to lace a bundle properly anyway. - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Occasionally, amidst all the bad haiku, a good one is found. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 11:21:58 -0500 From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Subject: Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Jack Decker wrote: >If this is true, I would not think these phones are so great on adult >brains either... perhaps cell phones should be redesigned to get the active >part of the antenna AWAY from the body, and especially the brain! No, it's not true. It's pretty much solidly bullshit pseudoscience. And I say this as someone who used to work on very high power RF systems on hot towers. This is not to say that cellphones are not hazardous; they are a major cause of traffic accidents and of people being assaulted in restaurants. - --scott - -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 12:44:24 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: Lacing knot? << Is there an online tutorial somewhere that shows how to use flat lacing twine? I know the "modern" way is to use tie-wraps, steel bands, or somesuch, but I'd like to learn how to lace a bundle properly anyway. - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka >> If you can get a copy of an old BSP or GSP, under the cabling sections of both practices there are some real good pictures, or try to find someone who has been around for a while, they could teach you. That is how I learned some 30 years ago and have shown others. There also might be some places online such as sites which have old telephone switching offices and other older information. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one!!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 13:06:02 -0500 From: "Don Russell" Subject: Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? And what of the effects of sitting children in front of the TV for hours on end? I think that does more to their brains than a cell phone. But perhaps they're watching Discovery Science Channel and actually learning something... like how cell phones work and how much radiation they emit... Don Russell :-) "Jack Decker" wrote in message news:qoln2us66o4g0p7clsbrg8n5qo0vl46bp0@4ax.com... > If this is true, I would not think these phones are so great on adult > brains either... perhaps cell phones should be redesigned to get the active > part of the antenna AWAY from the body, and especially the brain! > > THE CHILD SCRAMBLER > What a mobile can do to a youngster's brain in 2 mins > > THESE are the first images that show the shocking effect that using a > mobile phone has on a child's brain. > > Scientists have discovered that a call lasting just two minutes can alter > the natural electrical activity of a child's brain for up to an hour > afterwards. > > And they also found for the first time how radio waves from mobile phones > penetrate deep into the brain and not just around the ear. > > The study by Spanish scientists has prompted leading medical experts to > question whether it is safe for children to use mobile phones at all. > > Doctors fear that disturbed brain activity in children could lead to > psychiatric and behavioural problems or impair learning ability. > > Full story at: > http://www.sundaymirror.co.uk/shtml/NEWS/P15S3.shtml > > _____ > Resources for Michigan Telephone Users page: > http://michigantelephone.workbench.net/ > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 14:36:02 -0500 From: freeknout@charter.net (Eric McManamy) Subject: Simple How To on Dial Plans I am new to the world of telecom and have a few questions on how to go about creating a dial plan for a customer. What are the key functions a dial plan should address i.e. 911, 7 digit dialing, security from hackers and what functions that want programed in to a PBX. Any suggestions or information would be greatly appreciated. Eric McManamy - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 17:41:03 -0500 From: "Cole T. Kracke" Subject: AT&T customers to see fee hike AT&T customers to see fee hike By Sam Ames Staff Writer, CNET News.com December 31, 2001, 1:35 p.m. PT The New Year will bring AT&T customers a phone bill with a higher fee. AT&T will raise its universal services fund fee from 9.9 percent of the customer's monthly long-distance charges to 11.5 percent, an increase of 16 percent, according to a company representative. The universal services fund, or E-Rate program, subsidizes Internet access in schools, libraries and underserved populations. "Part of the reason why we are charging more than the FCC (Federal Communications Commission) requires is to make up for declining revenue in the long-distance market and administrative costs," said AT&T spokeswoman Claudia Jones. The FCC mandates that all carriers pay an amount equal to about 6.8 percent of their revenue over the past six months. Carriers have been generating less money from their long-distance business, and Jones says AT&T needs to raise the fee to make up for the sluggish market. The E-Rate program, created as part of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, has so far contributed approximately $7.7 billion to help subsidize Internet access, according to an FCC representative. The fund gets its money from phone companies, which pass the expense on to their customers. Jones says that AT&T has worked with the FCC for several years to review its E-Rate policy and has gained some response. The FCC used to levy its fees based on industry revenue over the previous 12 months, but changed to the current six-month program to more accurately mirror business conditions within the industry. "We think the industry is changing, and...there needs to be a new way to assess fees," Jones - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 20:23:10 -0500 From: jdearing@netaxs.com (John Dearing) Subject: Re: HDSL2 pherrald (pherrald@altavista.com) wrote: : Working for a CLEC, I have experienced problems on DS-1's where we : lease HDSL-2 from an RBOC. Looking at the DS-1 from the CLEC DS-1 : equipment, the DS-1 Performance Monitoring registers are all clean : (zero errors of all types). The problem is, dial-up analog modem data : won't stay connected even thou the DS-1 portion of the circuit looks : clean. When we perform dial-up DS-0 BERT tests thru the DS-1 and : HDSL-2 circuit I see 50,000 to 70,000 bit errors per minute. Is it : possible that the HDSL-2 portion of the circuit is dirty but the : recreated DS-1 circuit looks clean but is realy dirty from the DS-1 : portion of the circuit? : _____________ ____________ : _______| HDSL-2 |__HDSL-2__ | | : DS-1 | Modem | Errors | HDSL-2 |___DS-1_______ : |____________| |___________| : : -clean----- -------dirty----- -----clean------ : : ___________________________Clean on PM Regs ________________ If the T-1 has been provisioned properly and ALL of the Performance Monitoring registers in the smartjack are indeed clean, then the problem sounds like a timing issue between the CLEC switch and the channel bank that is breaking out the individual DS0's. The Pairgain Solitaire units (H2TU-C and it's companion H2TU-R) are specified for use on up to 9000 ft of 26ga non-loaded cable. Up to 12,000 ft of 24ga non-loaded. Bridge taps count in the total. Up to 2500 in BT with no single BT being over 2000ft. Mixed guage cables will result in a lower overall distance. The two most important measurements are Loop Attenuation and Loop Margin. Attenuation is pretty straightforward, it's the loss from one card to the other. The units are supposed to operate at up to 30dB of loss, though I get antsy at anything over 23-25dB. Loop Margin is probably best described as most like "signal to noise". As the margin drops the units are having a harder and harder time maintaining "sync". We're supposed to be good down to 6dB but usually see readings as high as 20dB on really clean short loops. If you can, take a look at all of the PM views, and especially note the LA (Loop Atten) and LM (Loop Margin). Also look at the PM views across the HDSL span. Remember, the smartjack is usually Telco property, check with them before monkeying around in that craft port. John - -- John Dearing : Phila Area Computer Society http://www.pacsnet.org Email : jdearing "at" netaxs "dot" com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 31 Dec 2001 21:26:07 -0500 From: James Horn Subject: Re: Lacing knot? Check out "A-Knot-omy: Revisiting the Lost Craft of Cable Lacing" by Chuck Siebuhr at: http://www.cablingbusiness.com/cbm_pdfs/Septpdf/Aknotomy.pdf Jim Horn, WB9SYN/6 (Thanks, Google!) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 02:30:38 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: AT&T customers to see fee hike On 31 Dec 2001 17:41:03 -0500, "Cole T. Kracke" wrote: >"Part of the reason why we are charging more than the FCC (Federal >Communications Commission) requires is to make up for declining revenue in >the long-distance market and administrative costs," said AT&T spokeswoman >Claudia Jones. How refreshing that they actually admit that the cost above the 6.8% is just "gravy" for them. The reason that they probably don't raise their actual rates is so they can advertise 5 cents per minute and put any "gotchas" in fine print that you can only see with a magnifying glass or is on a TV advert for a millisecond. I guess not enough people know that AT&T is a genuine rip-off compared to many other companies. MCI-Worldcom and Sprint aren't any better. The truth of the matter is that actual cost to carry long distance is one or two cents per minute and the rest is what the companies have to collect to actually bill for the call. Many people don't use *any* land line long distance any longer since many mobile phone plans include long distance with standard air time. Long distance is not a revenue maker any more and telcos such as AT&T are grasping at straws to try and make revenue *some* way. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #343 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 2 Jan 2002 06:15:08 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #344 Telecom Digest Wednesday, January 2 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 344 In this issue: Re: Pat's home Re: Pat's home Re: Pat's home Re: Lacing knot? Re: Question about modem wirings. Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC Re: Pat's home Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC Re: Pat's home Re: AM vs PM... Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? Re: Pat's home Re: AM vs PM... Save each unsolicited FAX (especially listing 1-800-457-5410) Re: Lacing knot? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Jan 2002 12:41:55 -0500 From: Roy Subject: Re: Pat's home I am very happy with the robomoderated service. Why not continue? John R Levine wrote: > I got a phone call from Pat yesterday. He says he's out of the nursing > home and back at his mother's house in Kansas City. He's arranged for the > phone company to hook him up with DSL in the next week or so. Once that's > working, I expect him to start editing the digest as soon as we blow the > dust off all his old shell scripts and fix whatever's broken in the past > two years. > > Regards, > John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org > Telecom Digest moderator pro tem > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 13:22:34 -0500 From: t11@syntelsoft.com (JDS) Subject: Re: Pat's home > I am very happy with the robomoderated service. Why not continue? You may be new to this group. A robomoderated newsgroup is nothing special, and the Web is full of them. comp.dcom.telecom is an unusual venue, and has been so from the earliest days of the 'Net. For the past decade or so - until his recent illness - Patrick Townson's experience and personality have kept it a unique resource. I for one very much look forward to his return. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 16:06:33 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Pat's home Last night, on Capitol Beat, JDS said: > > I am very happy with the robomoderated service. Why not continue? > > You may be new to this group. > > A robomoderated newsgroup is nothing special, and the Web is full of > them. comp.dcom.telecom is an unusual venue, and has been so from the > earliest days of the 'Net. For the past decade or so - until his > recent illness - Patrick Townson's experience and personality have > kept it a unique resource. > > I for one very much look forward to his return. Indeed. Boardwatch went in the toilet when Rickard left; CT died when Harry Newton gave up... a magazine *IS* it's Editor. Which I'm very glad to see that Jane magazine realizes. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 16:08:03 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Lacing knot? Last night, on Capitol Beat, Gordon S. Hlavenka said: > Is there an online tutorial somewhere that shows how to use flat lacing > twine? I know the "modern" way is to use tie-wraps, steel bands, or > somesuch, but I'd like to learn how to lace a bundle properly anyway. IIRC, the rough description is: run the twine parallel to the bundle, and, every $SPACING, turn it 90 degrees, wrap it around the bundle, and then hook it through the turn and continue it in the direction you were going. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 18:41:02 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. Last night, on Capitol Beat, Al Gillis said: > The colors you will find making up a pair are White & Blue for the first > pair, White & Orange for the second pair, White & Green for the third pair > and, finally, White and Brown for pair number 4. Be careful to not "split" > a pair. You bet. The pair colors are White/Blue & Blue/White, White/Orange & Orange/White, White/Green & Green/White and White/Brown & Brown/White. Why we go to the bother of phrasing it this way is inherent in your closing comment. The fifth color is slate, and there's a second group of 5 that includes red, yellow, and violet, that I can never remember because I've never had to work with anything larger than 6-pair. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 18:44:03 -0500 From: "Jay R. Ashworth" Subject: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC A client of mine reports being quite happy with whomever carrier 0811 is these days. They apparently have good rates and don't charge a monthy fee nor minimum. So, here's the question: if he calls the LEC and asks that that carrier be his Interlata PIC, will he get what he's expecting? I'd assume that this should be considered a feature by the carrier, rather than a bug, but there may be hidden aspects I'm not familiar with, I'm sure... Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 1274 Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. -- me - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 19:16:39 -0500 From: "Herb Stein" Subject: Re: Pat's home "JDS" wrote in message news:vydOub4QSyWv-pn2-xgSm9rdVt8Qb@localhost... > > I am very happy with the robomoderated service. Why not continue? > > You may be new to this group. > > A robomoderated newsgroup is nothing special, and the Web is full of > them. comp.dcom.telecom is an unusual venue, and has been so from the > earliest days of the 'Net. For the past decade or so - until his > recent illness - Patrick Townson's experience and personality have > kept it a unique resource. > > I for one very much look forward to his return. I couldn't have said it better! Come on back, Pat. We missed you. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- Herb Stein The Herb Stein Group www.herbstein.com herb@herbstein.com 314 952-4601 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 19:19:00 -0500 From: richgr@panix.com (Rich Greenberg) Subject: Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: >A client of mine reports being quite happy with whomever carrier 0811 >is these days. They apparently have good rates and don't charge a >monthy fee nor minimum. > >So, here's the question: if he calls the LEC and asks that that carrier >be his Interlata PIC, will he get what he's expecting? I'd assume that >this should be considered a feature by the carrier, rather than a bug, >but there may be hidden aspects I'm not familiar with, I'm sure... Call the IXC and make sure that they can handle being the "dial 1" carrier. Not all "dial arounds" can. - -- Rich Greenberg Work: Rich.Greenberg atsign worldspan.com +1 770-563-6656 N6LRT Marietta, GA, USA Play: richgr atsign panix.com +1 770-321-6507 Eastern time zone. I speak for myself & my dogs only. VM'er since CP-67 Canines:Val(Chinook,CGC,TT), Red & Shasta(Husky,(RIP)) Owner:Chinook-L Atlanta Siberian Husky Rescue. www.panix.com/~richgr/ Asst Owner:Sibernet-L - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 21:18:01 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: Pat's home I agree the group has not been the same without Pat. He has never been afraid to take on the big boys. Some years ago GTE California took exception to some posting he had made. They never got him to back down even though they had offered him more on the subject that was posted if he would publish theirs. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one!!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 21:58:15 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: AM vs PM... Followup to: <5.1.0.14.0.20011226153427.03524070@mail.novosielski.com> By author: gpn@techie.com In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > Of course all this dates from the days before digital watches, which for > manufacturing convenience have adopted the convention that midnight is AM > and noon is PM. It's not as good as a standard but, as there are now more > digital watches in the world than there are human beings who can tell time, > we're outnumbered and will simply have to go with the flow. > Well, you could argue it's correct for a somewhat strange reason: "midnight" and "noon" are theoretical zero-duration points in time, but physically we're always either before or after... (Of course, all of this is pretty silly. Especially the use of "12" to effectively mean "0".) -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 23:33:30 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Do mobile phones scramble (children's) brains? >> If this is true, I would not think these phones are so great on adult >> brains either... perhaps cell phones should be redesigned to get the active >> part of the antenna AWAY from the body, and especially the brain! > No, it's not true. It's pretty much solidly bullshit pseudoscience. > And I say this as someone who used to work on very high power RF systems > on hot towers. I totally agree. Anyone who believes that stuff has problems with his brain that I don't think any phone will make worse. > This is not to say that cellphones are not hazardous; they are a major > cause of traffic accidents and of people being assaulted in restaurants. If people are frequently assaulted in restaurants while using a phone, the cause would have to be prejudice against the phone, not the phone itself. Educated people should be above "class struggle" attitudes. If they're not, there's something seriously wrong with the education establishment. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Jan 2002 23:46:06 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Pat's home Roy wrote: > I am very happy with the robomoderated service. Why not continue? It's gotten heavily infested with spam, not to mention threads such as the one about angels (which should at least get that poster blacklisted, IMO.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 00:10:21 -0500 From: henry99@mac.com (H) Subject: Re: AM vs PM... H. Peter Anvin wrote: > (Of course, all of this is pretty silly. Especially the use of "12" > to effectively mean "0".) Indeed. Very simple solution to big non-issue: join the rest of the world and use the 24-hour clock, aka 'railroad time' or 'military time'. Here in Europe the clock ticks from 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 to 00:00:01 and nobody has any trouble with it. Is this another one of those things, like the metric system, that Americans are resisting out of what appears to everyone else to be sheer obstinacy? (Don't get me wrong: I'm not just having a go. 'Some of my best friends are American.' I'm just really curious as to why a system which--as this thread has demonstrated--causes confusion for at least some members of society continues to be preferred over one which is patently more accessible.) cheers, Henry - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 03:09:59 -0500 From: stopspam31@yahoo.com (Michael Miller) Subject: Save each unsolicited FAX (especially listing 1-800-457-5410) With the Hooters and Dallas Cowboys decisions, it is now more likely than ever that each unsolicited FAX you receive can be worth $1,500, especially if it lists the number 800-457-5410 to remove your name (this is a number owned by fax.com). This includes FAXes offering to repair your credit for $99 from the Tower Group of Dallas, TX (which only the month before was charging only $49 and was doing business out of Chicago under the name Bagoba Credit). Please send me an e-mail if you are now saving those unsolicited FAXes (or have been saving them). Also, if you have any "inside info" on fax.com, please email me that as well. In the meantime, here's a collection of background reading on Kevin Katz who runs fax.com in case you are curious as to who is probably behind the 30 person company sending you those unwanted FAXes: Sued by the very law firm that wrote the law http://www.washtech.com/news/regulation/10576-1.html Put on notice by the FCC http://www.fcc.gov/eb/Orders/eb00tc179a.html Settled action from Washington state for only $90K http://www.junkfaxes.org/news/faxcom_cb_suit.html Katz cannot distinguish business FAXes that solicit money from allowable public service FAXes that don't involve money http://www.thedigest.com/more/133/133-042.html Please do NOT do anything to harass them. You won't accomplish anything. It's very clear from reading the above URLs that they know what they are doing is against the law. They will be stopped soon enough. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 04:10:09 -0500 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Lacing knot? James Horn writes: > Check out "A-Knot-omy: Revisiting the Lost Craft of Cable Lacing" by Chuck > Siebuhr at: > > http://www.cablingbusiness.com/cbm_pdfs/Septpdf/Aknotomy.pdf As an introduction, it isn't bad, but it doesn't go into a lot of detail. In particular, it is lacking in tie-off procedures and various methods for individual attachments (as opposed to long runs). Take a look at http://www.tmk.com/pics-111/pop114.jpg which was my first lacing after maybe 20 years of not doing any. I did something like 40 of these DSX panels for Verio while I worked there. In the "old days", we'd do lacing with *un* waxed string on the frames, and when it was all checked out, we'd slather the bundles (which were cotton- covered wires) with varnish to seal the string to the bundle and make the whole kaboodle watertight. Of course, this was on lead-jacket cable, and in- stead of screw terminals these were wrap terminals that then got soldered (with the old "iron" that wasn't electric, but was heated by a flame. Those were the days. [Note: I'm a lot younger than that would make me seem, but I worked for a small independent where there were lots of old-timers. 8-] Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com New York, NY USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #344 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 3 Jan 2002 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #345 Telecom Digest Thursday, January 3 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 345 In this issue: Re: Question about modem wirings. Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy RE: AM Vs PM... Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC Re: Pat's home Re: Save each unsolicited FAX (especially listing 1-800-457-5410) Re: AM vs PM... 1/2/2002 http://ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Question about modem wirings. RE: Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy Re: Pat's home Too many standards spoil wireless LAN soup ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Jan 2002 08:03:22 -0500 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: Re: Question about modem wirings. The color code for cabling is as follows: white blue red orange black green yellow brown violet slate The first pair would have the tip to be white with a blue tracer and the ring to be blue with a white tracer (a tracer is a little stripe around the white every some many inches). The second pair would have a tip that was white with an orange tracer and the ring orange with a white tracer. The sixth pair's tip would be red with a blue tracer and its ring would be blue with a red tracer. I was working on the frame for a company that was about to make a big service offering. We had been working for weeks doing unlimited overtime to prepare to offer this service. There were guys up there all night for weeks doing nothing but wiring the color coded cables. After we'd been up there working for several weeks, a strange thing happened. I guess the guys couldn't take all that repetitive work for so long. Everyone jumped up and started shouting, "BLUE, ORANGE, GREEN, BROWN, SLATE" over and over in perfect unison. The life of a cabling person can be rather difficult at times, I guess . Fred - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 09:25:23 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy January 1, 2002 Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy By JOHN SCHWARTZ Some customers of Qwest Communications are angry over the latest mailing from the company, and it is not because of the size of the bill. The company recently sent its customers a pamphlet similar to those distributed last year by financial institutions, describing the ways that Qwest will use the customer's personal data. Other telephone carriers will be sending out notices as well, according to the Federal Communications Commission. But the breadth of the Qwest statement has privacy advocates upset. It says that unless customers contact the company to prohibit the practice, Qwest will share with its several subsidiaries such data as telephone services used, billing information and places called. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/01/technology/01QWES.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 10:20:37 -0500 From: Heidi Whitaker Subject: RE: AM Vs PM... Well, Henry, many folks say the Euro makes more sense than the pound stirling. So why are the 'Brits' so resistant to the Euro? It seems to me that in a very pragmatic sense, we have dealt with noon / midnight by getting around those times. Therefore no major changes are really needed. JMO. H. Whitaker - -----Original Message----- From: henry99@mac.com [mailto:henry99@mac.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2002 11:10 PM To: editor@telecom-digest.org Subject: Re: AM vs PM... H. Peter Anvin wrote: > (Of course, all of this is pretty silly. Especially the use of "12" > to effectively mean "0".) Indeed. Very simple solution to big non-issue: join the rest of the world and use the 24-hour clock, aka 'railroad time' or 'military time'. Here in Europe the clock ticks from 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 to 00:00:01 and nobody has any trouble with it. Is this another one of those things, like the metric system, that Americans are resisting out of what appears to everyone else to be sheer obstinacy? (Don't get me wrong: I'm not just having a go. 'Some of my best friends are American.' I'm just really curious as to why a system which--as this thread has demonstrated--causes confusion for at least some members of society continues to be preferred over one which is patently more accessible.) cheers, Henry - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 10:21:23 -0500 From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss) Subject: Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC I very much doubt that a subscriber can call the LEC and initiate a PICC change without coordination with the ICC. There are some stringent verification procedures that the ICC are committed. I have first-hand experience with at least one change. There is a period of time when though I had a new PICC, the ICC was not quite ready to deal with my account and I was "intercepted." Make sure you have a working calling, pre-paid card, or dialaround access handy before your changes are initiated. /Pete Weiss - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 11:30:16 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Pat's home It was 1 Jan 2002 16:06:33 -0500, and "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | Indeed. Boardwatch went in the toilet when Rickard left; CT | died when Harry Newton gave up... a magazine *IS* it's Editor. | Which I'm very glad to see that Jane magazine realizes. :-) I believe that the 'extra posts' and lack of direction in the conversation (trimming threads and re-editing submissions) that has been unable to be done over the past years has shown us just how valuable the services of Pat have been. He put an incredible amount of time into getting it right and deserves praise. In addition, John Levine should not be left out of this praise. John has done a great job of keeping Telecom Digest alive so there was something for Pat to come back to. The "mostly robomoderated" setup that John put in place got rid of the worst of the posters and only allowed spam from someone who registered their address (replied to the welcome message). That did serve to filter out most of the junk. Hand moderation of a few people who occasionally drift finished the job. John could have easily walked away and let cdt/Telecom Digest die. His commitment to Pat and the essence of the Digest should be saluted. I look forward to Pat's return *and* appreciate John's work. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 12:39:28 -0500 From: lb_centaur@yahoo.com (Matthew Black) Subject: Re: Save each unsolicited FAX (especially listing 1-800-457-5410) I'm surprised that creative lawyers haven't taken advantage of this opportunity. I'd love to see someone handle these 47US226 violations and split the proceeds 50/50 between the law firm and fax recipient. They could even advertise by fax (-; Any takers here? matthew +------------------------------(c) 2001 Matthew Black, all rights reserved-- matthew black | Opinions expressed herein belong to me and network & systems specialist | may not reflect those of my employer california state university | network services BH-180E | e-mail: black at csulb dot edu 1250 bellflower boulevard | PGP fingerprint: 6D 14 36 ED 5F 34 C4 B3 long beach, ca 90840 | E9 1E F3 CB E7 65 EE BC In article <5827993c.0201020009.418c5053@posting.google.com>, stopspam31@yahoo.com says... > >With the Hooters and Dallas Cowboys decisions, it is now more likely >than ever that each unsolicited FAX you receive can be worth $1,500, >especially if it lists the number 800-457-5410 to remove your name >(this is a number owned by fax.com). This includes FAXes offering to >repair your credit for $99 from the Tower Group of Dallas, TX (which >only the month before was charging only $49 and was doing business out >of Chicago under the name Bagoba Credit). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 12:47:19 -0500 From: Loren Cahlander Subject: Re: AM vs PM... H wrote: > H. Peter Anvin wrote: > > > >>(Of course, all of this is pretty silly. Especially the use of "12" >>to effectively mean "0".) >> > > > Indeed. Very simple solution to big non-issue: join the rest of the > world and use the 24-hour clock, aka 'railroad time' or 'military time'. > > Here in Europe the clock ticks from 23:59:59 to 00:00:00 to 00:00:01 and > nobody has any trouble with it. > > Is this another one of those things, like the metric system, that > Americans are resisting out of what appears to everyone else to be sheer > obstinacy? > > (Don't get me wrong: I'm not just having a go. 'Some of my best friends > are American.' I'm just really curious as to why a system which--as this > thread has demonstrated--causes confusion for at least some members of > society continues to be preferred over one which is patently more > accessible.) > I think that the simple answer is that there is no outside force creating the need to change. It costs money to make some of these changes and there is no reason to spend the money. Take a look at all of the fuss over changing over to the Euro. There was an economic force that created the need to change. If there was not the economic force, I believe that Euro would not have come to be. Give us an economic reason to change, and the change will eventually take place. Take the measure of temperature. For us, 70 degrees is a nice warm day. For you, 70 degrees outside is impossible and people would be dying. For you, 21 degrees is a warm day. For us, it is a cold day. People need a reson to make a change, other than it would be a nice idea. That was tried, and it failed. I would not mind the change, but that is just me. - -Loren - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Fred Atkinson wrote: > Seymour, > > Did you ever read a book called 'Hastings Mills' when you were > a kid? > > Fred > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Jan 2002 22:10:32 -0500 From: Heidi Whitaker Subject: RE: Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy I thought the reason separate subsidiaries were created for certain products / lines of business had to do with regulatory restrictions on shared marketing? Seems like this type of data sharing would get the regulators knickers in a twist from that angle. - -----Original Message----- From: Monty Solomon To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sent: 1/2/02 8:25 AM Subject: Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy January 1, 2002 Qwest Plan Stirs Protest Over Privacy By JOHN SCHWARTZ Some customers of Qwest Communications are angry over the latest mailing from the company, and it is not because of the size of the bill. The company recently sent its customers a pamphlet similar to those distributed last year by financial institutions, describing the ways that Qwest will use the customer's personal data. Other telephone carriers will be sending out notices as well, according to the Federal Communications Commission. But the breadth of the Qwest statement has privacy advocates upset. It says that unless customers contact the company to prohibit the practice, Qwest will share with its several subsidiaries such data as telephone services used, billing information and places called. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/01/technology/01QWES.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2002 00:26:25 -0500 From: t11@syntelsoft.com (JDS) Subject: Re: Pat's home > In addition, John Levine should not be left out of this praise. Hear, hear! Thanks enormously, John. Your humble, unobtrusive, and kind efforts are very successful and very much appreciated. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2002 03:59:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Too many standards spoil wireless LAN soup Feature: Too many standards spoil wireless LAN soup By Joris Evers IDG News Service, 01/02/02 Customers eager to move to a 5GHz wireless LAN environment are facing a market splintered by multiple standards for the fast networks. A single wireless LAN standard for the 5GHz band -- instead of three different standards, 802.11a, 802.11h and HiperLAN2 -- would allow products for the 54M-bits-per-second networks to work everywhere. It would also lower costs because chipmakers, product assemblers and the sales channel would be able to focus on one product type rather than three. Standards bodies and vendors in the U.S. and Europe can't agree, which has led to the fragmenting of the wireless LAN (WLAN) market, much like the mobile telephony market. Further confusing the issue, the U.S. 802.11a standard will be adapted in Europe to conform to that region's regulations; that variant will be called 802.11h. ... http://www.nwfusion.com/net.worker/news/2002/0102wlesslan.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #345 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 4 Jan 2002 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #346 Telecom Digest Friday, January 4 2002 Volume 2001 : Number 346 In this issue: Re: Lacing knot? Re: Pat's home CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers Re: CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers Re: Lacing knot? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Jan 2002 10:51:22 -0500 From: "Gordon S. Hlavenka" Subject: Re: Lacing knot? James Horn wrote: > Check out "A-Knot-omy: Revisiting the Lost Craft of Cable Lacing" by Chuck > Siebuhr at: > > http://www.cablingbusiness.com/cbm_pdfs/Septpdf/Aknotomy.pdf Thanks, Jim! This covers it pretty well, including some politics... Wait'll you see my Christmas lights next year :-) (Thanks everyone else, too; Al Gillis suggests I look for US Air Force Technical Order # 31-10-2 called, "Fanning and Forming Conductors for Ground Communications and Electronic Equipment" which I will.) - -- Gordon S. Hlavenka O- nospam@crashelex.com Occasionally, amidst all the bad haiku, a good one is found. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2002 13:56:52 -0500 From: Ki Suk Hahn Subject: Re: Pat's home I also thank John Levine for continuing this digest in Pat's absence. I can't wait for Pat's active moderation to start again. It's his commentaries after the posts which I find most interesting (eg, Justice Dept, small-time fraud, Pacifica Radio, etc). Ki Suk Hahn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2002 14:11:54 -0500 From: penny.white@espire.net (Penny) Subject: CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers Am interested in finding out if anyone knows of any cases where a CLEC has been sued for divulging the non-published number of Customer A to Customer B in an emergency situation. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 2002 20:48:56 -0500 From: linky@bad-ass-motherfucker.com (Jason Lindquist) Subject: Re: CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers An infinite number of monkeys masquerading as Penny wrote: > Am interested in finding out if anyone knows of any cases where a CLEC > has been sued for divulging the non-published number of Customer A to > Customer B in an emergency situation. Cox Communications did exactly that eighteen months ago. There were offers of money, changed phone numbers... I can't find the details on the San Diego Union-Tribune's web site. Some details I could find: http://www.apbonline.com/cjprofessionals/behindthebadge/2000/06/07/unlisted0607_01.html http://www.dsmo.com/SeenInPrint/Publications/PDF/PrivateData.pdf - -- Jason Lindquist <*> "Mostly though, I think it gave us hope, linky{at}see/figure1/net That there can always be a new beginning. KB9LCL Even for people like us." -- Gen. Susan Ivanova, B5, "Sleeping In Light" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 02:26:13 -0500 From: amfowler@melbpc.org.au (Alan Fowler) Subject: Re: Lacing knot? "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: >Last night, on Capitol Beat, Gordon S. Hlavenka said: >> Is there an online tutorial somewhere that shows how to use flat lacing >> twine? I know the "modern" way is to use tie-wraps, steel bands, or >> somesuch, but I'd like to learn how to lace a bundle properly anyway. > >IIRC, the rough description is: run the twine parallel to the bundle, >and, every $SPACING, turn it 90 degrees, wrap it around the bundle, and >then hook it through the turn and continue it in the direction you were >going. try doing this with a piece of string on your finger. If you do it properly you will see that both the incoming and outgoing strings are firmly locked in [lace by the circumferential 'turn'. In the old days the twine used to be waxed to get a better grip. The whole ball of twine was placed in boiling wax and left until the wax penetrated completely. lacing a group of cables together is quite different. y - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #346 ******************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 5 Jan 2002 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2002 #1 Telecom Digest Saturday, January 5 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 001 In this issue: SNPP access to NEXTEL Mexico network re lacing knots Re: CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers Wireless Phone, Radio Clash Up in the Air Cellphone ESN question Re: Cellphone ESN question Greek Dialing Plan changes Phase 2 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Jan 2002 10:54:04 -0500 From: Scott.Burns@Netcontech.Com (Scott Burns) Subject: SNPP access to NEXTEL Mexico network Does any one know if this is available ? I have spoken to customer support at nextel.com and they said it is but they do not have the address. They referred me to the developers program and no answer from them either. I have just sent an e-mail to customer support @nextel.com.mx but it was in english so I am not so sure I will get a response. I need the dns address or ip, port # and format for phone id. Thanks Scott Burns NETCON Technologies Inc. Scott.Burns@Netcontech.Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 13:47:25 -0500 From: "marko zuvela" Subject: re lacing knots dont know about tutorials but i was taught to start with a tight clove hitch then move along the bunch with simple knot around wires at even intervals keeping waxed twine very tight & end with clove htich. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 15:40:25 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: CLEC Liability in Divulgence of Non-Published Telephone Numbers On 3 Jan 2002 14:11:54 -0500, penny.white@espire.net (Penny) wrote: >Am interested in finding out if anyone knows of any cases where a CLEC >has been sued for divulging the non-published number of Customer A to >Customer B in an emergency situation. It has been my experience that when you attempt through an operator to get someone who has a non-published number that the number is never divulged, but rather the party that you wish to call is contacted and asked whether the calling party can be connected. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Personal replies are likely not read. Please reply in the newsgroup - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 18:10:07 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Wireless Phone, Radio Clash Up in the Air Wireless Phone, Radio Clash Up in the Air By Renae Merle, Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, January 4, 2002; 7:01 AM Satellite radio and wireless phone companies are locked into a sometimes nasty battle before the Federal Communications Commission that could limit the power of the satellite radio companies' land-based repeater towers - a restriction that is either needlessly expensive or essential to avoid interference with next-generation pagers and cell phones, depending on which side one believes. Wireless companies, including Verizon Wireless Inc. and BellSouth Corp., want the FCC to force D.C.-based XM Satellite Radio Inc. and its New York-based rival, Sirius Satellite Radio Inc., to replace their powerful repeater towers. The repeaters, they say, could interfere with customers' broadband connections and with pagers and phones still in development. ... http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14448-1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 18:35:12 -0500 From: "Jay Thomas" Subject: Cellphone ESN question Hi folks, Doing a small research on cellphone ESN and has a curious question. I understand that it is illegal to monitor the airwave to snatch other people's ESN. But what is the correlation between an ESN and the physical phone itself? For example, if someone just bought a replacement phone for his existing tdma service, and called his cell phone provider and accidentally gave the provider a wrong ESN that happens to be valid - does this mean his cell phone (which obviously has a diff. ESN) would no longer work? Is the service plan tied to the ESN? And assuming it doesn't, what happen when someone else try to use that ESN? Thanks in advance! James - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Jan 2002 20:08:42 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Cellphone ESN question >For example, if someone just bought a replacement phone for his existing tdma >service, and called his cell phone provider and accidentally gave the provider >a wrong ESN that happens to be valid - does this mean his cell phone (which >obviously has a diff. ESN) would no longer work? That's right. > Is the service plan tied to the ESN? Usually it's tied to the phone number which is tied to the ESN. >And assuming it doesn't, what happen when someone else try to use that ESN? If it's not the same cell company, nothing since there isn't a single master user database (give or take strange effects if the other user happened to roam into the first one's territory.) In practice you'll find that your phone doesn't work and you'll call your carrier from another phone to fix the problem. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 2002 05:30:16 -0500 From: "Spyros Bartsocas" Subject: Greek Dialing Plan changes Phase 2 The second phase of the Greek dialing plan begins on January 20. It consists of the end of the permissive dialing of the changes introduced last July and September. In summary: - - All geographic codes had a 0 appended. - - When making calls within the same area code it is mandatory to use the area code. For example to call the number 2345678 in Athens, one needs to dial 01-0-2345678. The leading 0 is not dialed when dialing from abroad. - - Toll Free numbers (800), Shared cost (801) and Premium Rates (90) had the digits 11 added between the service code and the number. For example 0800-11-12345, 0801-11-12345. 090-11-123456. - - Paging numbers (92) had a zero appended to the service code: 092-0-123456 - - Dialup numbers (96x) had a 2 added after the 96. For example: 096-2-4-12345 The third and final phase will take place in October 2002 when: - - The leading 0 will be replaced by 2 for the geographic numbers: 010-2345678 will become 210-2345678 - - The leading 0 will be replaced by 6 for mobile and paging numbers: 093-1234567 will become 693-1234567 and 092-0123456 will become 692-0123456 - - The leading 0 will be replaced by 8 for Dialup numbers: 096-2412345 will become 896-2412345 - - The leading 0 will be dropped for special phone number (800, 801, 807, 90, 70, 50): 0800-11-12345 will be 8001112345. More details can be found at http://www.eett.gr Spyros - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2002 #1 ****************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 6 Jan 2002 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2002 #2 Telecom Digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 002 In this issue: Re: lacing knots Re: lacing knots Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Re: AM vs PM... [repost] ATT "slams" own customers??? Comcast's Excite@Home Conversion Bumpy NAB Slams EchoStar's Second-Dish Move CableLabs Opens Lid on OCAP Standard Message in a Bottleneck Doing It All: One Gadget, Tried Twice ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Jan 2002 18:41:05 -0500 From: "jason" Subject: Re: lacing knots I read the article from the cabling magazine and it says this is an old art not used much today. I work for Adelphia Business Solutions, a national CLEC and ISP, and these use it everyday in their CO's. No plastic ties allowed. Are there any other large companies that still use waxed string. string. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Jan 2002 21:25:02 -0500 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: lacing knots jason writes: > Are there any other large companies that still use waxed string. I've seen contemporary installations by Worldcom and XO which used string by default, and I got Verizon (NY) to use string on request. I'm told that there was a large judgement/settlement in a lawsuit some year ago, where a tech got ripped up pretty badly by some rough- cut cable ties, which has drawn a lot of renewed attention to lacing. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com New York, NY USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 00:05:01 -0500 From: "jjones@quidd" Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP According to Qwest - there is no such thing as a residential ISDN line. It MUST be ordered from their small business side, and paid for accordingly. I just got mine removed and replaced with Qwest DSL to an independant ISP which gave me a block of static address space to use for my home servers. Ed Ellers wrote: > > Stanley Cline wrote: > > "Most cable companies, particularly those who are affiliated with @Home, > also offer nothing whatsoever for SOHO customers -- with some @Home ISPs, > it's actually an AUP violation to *check work email over the @Home > connection*..." > > Aren't there some ILECs that won't allow residential ISDN lines to be used > for work? > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 00:44:08 -0500 From: dave@compata.com (Dave Close) Subject: Re: AM vs PM... henry99@mac.com (H) writes: >Indeed. Very simple solution to big non-issue: join the rest of the >world and use the 24-hour clock, aka 'railroad time' or 'military >time'. Is this another one of those things, like the metric system, >that Americans are resisting out of what appears to everyone else >to be sheer obstinacy? Could it be that our school system is incapable of teaching such a different system because teachers can't understand it? Or that they simply refuse to teach it as a union issue? - -- Dave Close, Compata, Costa Mesa CA "Politics is the business of getting dave@compata.com, +1 714 434 7359 power and privilege without dhclose@alumni.caltech.edu possessing merit." - P. J. O'Rourke - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 01:59:38 -0500 From: j debert Subject: [repost] ATT "slams" own customers??? (looks like Mr. Robomoderator doesn't like munge. Repost!) Looks like ATT is trying more tricks to increase it's revenue again. ATT "slammed" me, switching me from residential to business service without notice. I got ATT residential long distance on 17 October 2001. ABout three weeks later, I received written confirmation and a service agreement. (Note that this was a change in service. I have had ATT since 1973.) On 27 December 2001, I received a bill for business service from ATT. I called ATT to ask about it. I was told that I ordered business service and that if I did not want it, they would stop business long distance service and credit me for the charges.I told them I did not ask for or want business service. Not only was business service stopped, all long distance access was blocked. I am in the process of filing a complaint with CA PUC and FCC. I was an ATT customer for many years. Until now I never encountered such deception and apathy on the part of their people. I will no longer recommend ATT or refer anyone to them. Even after years of customer loyalty, they decide to slam their own customer? They deserve no loyalty. BTW, here's a tip for anyone getting new LD service from ATT: ATT will ask for one of: 1) Social Security number, 2) mother's maiden name, 3) day and month of birthday. There are no other choices. (Seems the policy-makers at ATT are still living in the forties.) Select mother's maiden name and give any text instead of mother's maiden name. Remember it and write it down for later use. Of course, you use ATT at your own risk. If you don't believe me, see their service agreement and terms of service. If you don't believe them... - -- jd No solicitations of any kind are accepted without prior approval. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 02:01:29 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Comcast's Excite@Home Conversion Bumpy Comcast's Excite@Home Conversion Bumpy By Karen Brown & Monica Hogan Multichannel News 1/4/02 3:22:00 PM Comcast Corp. suffered some snarls during its first week of moving Excite@Home Corp. customers to a new in-house cable-modem service. After signing an interim $160 million agreement with the bankrupt Excite@Home to maintain service through Feb. 28, Philadelphia-based Comcast has started shifting its 800,000 customers to its own data network. After Feb. 28, the Excite@Home network will shut down. ... http://www.tvinsite.com/multichannelnews/index.asp?layout=story&doc_id=63108 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 02:04:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: NAB Slams EchoStar's Second-Dish Move NAB Slams EchoStar's Second-Dish Move By Ted Hearn Multichannel News 1/4/02 5:06:00 PM Broadcasters want the federal government to stop EchoStar Communications Corp. from requiring consumers in some markets to obtain second dishes to receive all local TV stations. The National Association of Broadcasters filed an emergency petition Friday with the Federal Communications Commission, seeking a ruling that the second-dish requirement is unlawful. The trade group called the second-dish plan a gambit designed to relegate some local TV stations to an 'inaccessible technological ghetto.' ... http://www.tvinsite.com/multichannelnews/index.asp?layout=story&doc_id=63149 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 02:08:11 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: CableLabs Opens Lid on OCAP Standard CableLabs Opens Lid on OCAP Standard By Karen Brown Multichannel News 1/4/02 9:00:00 AM In a move long awaited by the cable industry, Cable Television Laboratories Inc. has finalized the OpenCable Applications Platform (OCAP) middleware specification for standard OpenCable set-top boxes. OCAP 1.0 sets the standard execution engine for set-top-box middleware, which acts as the bridge between the box's operating system and software applications such as navigation guides and Web browsers. ... http://www.tvinsite.com/multichannelnews/index.asp?layout=story&doc_id=62946 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 02:36:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Message in a Bottleneck Message in a Bottleneck The Net Effect By Simson Garfinkel January/February 2002 Why doesn't the U.S. appreciate wireless text messaging? It has no standards. I was loading up a moving van on Martha's Vineyard the morning of September 11 when the first jet hit the World Trade Center. As soon as I heard the news I tried to call my wife, Beth, who was 150 kilometers away at our house near Boston. No dice: my desk telephone could not place a call off-island. I tried my cell phone: it didn't work either. I desperately needed to communicate with my wife. If Boston were to be attacked, or if there were going to be more incidents in New York, then it made sense for me to stay put on the Vineyard and for her to gather up our three young children and join me. If the attacks were localized to New York City, then I wanted to return to Boston. Realizing that any attempt at a voice connection would probably be in vain, I typed a brief e-mail message on my laptop and clicked "send." A moment later Beth's pager beeped and the message appeared. She pecked out a response on its tiny keyboard, and less than a minute later I had my answer: come back to Boston. ... http://www.techreview.com/articles/garfinkel0102.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 02:43:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Doing It All: One Gadget, Tried Twice January 3, 2002 Doing It All: One Gadget, Tried Twice By DAVID POGUE EVERY few months another magazine runs an article about computers that will one day be implanted in humans. Sure, it would be nice to leave laptops behind forever, but has anybody really thought this through? Won't implanted circuitry make sleeping a bit uncomfortable, let alone showering with the power on? How, exactly, will you install memory upgrades? And will skinny people be able to use Windows XP? There is still time to think about it, but not much. Already, the trend is to make gadgets so small and self-contained that they can be worn at all times against the skin, if not under it. All signs point to 2002 as the year of the communicator: all-in-one pocket-size cellphones that also serve as Internet terminals and Palm-like organizers. The industry has been fumbling to figure out what kind of communicator the masses are waiting for. To see how strikingly different the results can be, consider the latest entries: Motorola's V200, descendant of a pager, and the Handspring Treo, descendant of a Palm Pilot. ... http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/03/technology/circuits/03STAT.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2002 #2 ****************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 7 Jan 2002 06:15:06 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2002 #3 Telecom Digest Monday, January 7 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 003 In this issue: Re: AM vs PM... Re: Cellphone ESN question Re: cheap dialaround service Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP RE: [repost] ATT "slams" own customers??? New phones unveiled at CES Centrex/Centranet Question ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Jan 2002 08:01:00 -0500 From: henry99@mac.com (H) Subject: Re: AM vs PM... Dave Close wrote: > henry99@mac.com (H) writes: > >use the 24-hour clock, aka 'railroad time' or 'military > >time'. > Could it be that our school system is incapable of teaching such a > different system because teachers can't understand it? Except...what's to understand? Anyone who has ever served in the military or has had to catch a train in Europe "learns" the system in one minute or less: starting at 1 p.m., add 12. And nowadays, when time is as likely (or more) to be expressed in a digital rather than analogue format*, one doesn't even have to do that. *We don't _tell_ time anymore--we read it. > Or that they > simply refuse to teach it as a union issue? ??? I'm afraid you've just lost me here. cheers, Henry - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 12:30:16 -0500 From: blw1540@aol.com (Bruce Wilson) Subject: Re: Cellphone ESN question >Doing a small research on cellphone ESN and has a curious question. I >understand that it is illegal to monitor the airwave to snatch other people's >ESN. But what is the correlation between an ESN and the physical phone >itself? >For example, if someone just bought a replacement phone for his existing tdma >service, and called his cell phone provider and accidentally gave the >provider >a wrong ESN that happens to be valid - does this mean his cell phone (which >obviously has a diff. ESN) would no longer work? Is the service plan tied to >the ESN? > >And assuming it doesn't, what happen when someone else try to use that ESN? The ESN's hard-coded into the phone hardware. The process of "cloning" a cell phone involved getting the target phone's ESN, "burning" a chip incorporating it, then installing that chip into another phone, something which was relatively easy to do in the relatively early days of analog phones with socketed chips. Cell phone providers tie the phone's ESN to the phone number, so, even if you're able to do the NAM programming yourself to "install" the service, the equipment won't accept a phone with a different ESN until/unless you bring the phone in to have that programming changed. Should you try to use a phone with the wrong ESN, even if everything else is "right" for the phone number, you'll get an intercept telling you to provide credit card payment info before the call will be allowed to go through. Bruce Wilson - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 13:02:23 -0500 From: "Bob K." Subject: Re: cheap dialaround service I've read about onesuite.com, which prices at 2.9 cents a minute (whole minute billing), but I haven't used it yet. It sounds like what you have now, except 2 cents cheaper. BK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 17:17:15 -0500 From: wesrock@aol.com (Wes Leatherock) Subject: Re: Choosing a Dialaround carrier as your PIC >A client of mine reports being quite happy with whomever carrier 0811 >is these days. They apparently have good rates and don't charge a >monthy fee nor minimum. > >So, here's the question: if he calls the LEC and asks that that carrier >be his Interlata PIC, will he get what he's expecting? I'd assume that >this should be considered a feature by the carrier, rather than a bug, >but there may be hidden aspects I'm not familiar with, I'm sure... > >Cheers, >-- jra >-- >Jay R. Ashworth >jra@baylink.com >Member of the Technical Staff Baylink >The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think >Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 647 >1274 > > Fanfic: it's enough to make you loose your mind. > -- me I've used 1010811 as a dial around carrier for several years. as they usually have good rates and reliable service. However, they have a number of different rates, even for dial around service, and you'll want to know just what rate plan you're signing up for. They also are familiar with the Letter of Agency concept, and will probably provide you on request with a form and an business reply envelope to send it back in. You might check their website at www.vartec.com or write them by snail mail at VarTec Telecom, Inc., 1600 Viceroy Drive, Dallas TX 75235. I wouldn't know what toll-free number to suggest because they have a lot of them. Wes Leatherock wleathus@yahoo.com wesrock@aol.com Wes Leatherock wesrock@aol.com wleathus@yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 20:01:54 -0500 From: Fred Goldstein Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP On Sunday 06 January 2002 06:15, jjones wrote > According to Qwest - there is no such thing as a residential ISDN line. > It MUST be ordered from their small business side, and paid for > accordingly. I just got mine removed and replaced with Qwest DSL to an > independant ISP which gave me a block of static address space to use for > my home servers. That would be news, and news I haven't heard. US West filed residential ISDN tariffs, in most or all of its states, in the early 1990s. The template tariff was something like $70/month flat rate, or $30/month measured. Later, they amended it in most states (depending on what that state's PUC allowed) to be 200 hours for around $70, or flat rate for around $180. That to discourage nailed circuits. Check to see if they have tariffs on line. I think somebody's lying. I don't think most (if any) of the states would let them cancel residential ISDN just like that. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Jan 2002 23:52:23 -0500 From: Heidi Whitaker Subject: RE: [repost] ATT "slams" own customers??? Actually, when a carrier bills their own customer for something different than the ordered product or at a higher rate the practice is known as cramming - not slamming. - -----Original Message----- From: j debert To: editor@telecom-digest.org Sent: 1/6/02 12:59 AM Subject: [repost] ATT "slams" own customers??? (looks like Mr. Robomoderator doesn't like munge. Repost!) Looks like ATT is trying more tricks to increase it's revenue again. ATT "slammed" me, switching me from residential to business service without notice. I got ATT residential long distance on 17 October 2001. ABout three weeks later, I received written confirmation and a service agreement. (Note that this was a change in service. I have had ATT since 1973.) On 27 December 2001, I received a bill for business service from ATT. I called ATT to ask about it. I was told that I ordered business service and that if I did not want it, they would stop business long distance service and credit me for the charges.I told them I did not ask for or want business service. Not only was business service stopped, all long distance access was blocked. I am in the process of filing a complaint with CA PUC and FCC. I was an ATT customer for many years. Until now I never encountered such deception and apathy on the part of their people. I will no longer recommend ATT or refer anyone to them. Even after years of customer loyalty, they decide to slam their own customer? They deserve no loyalty. BTW, here's a tip for anyone getting new LD service from ATT: ATT will ask for one of: 1) Social Security number, 2) mother's maiden name, 3) day and month of birthday. There are no other choices. (Seems the policy-makers at ATT are still living in the forties.) Select mother's maiden name and give any text instead of mother's maiden name. Remember it and write it down for later use. Of course, you use ATT at your own risk. If you don't believe me, see their service agreement and terms of service. If you don't believe them... - -- jd No solicitations of any kind are accepted without prior approval. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 00:22:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: New phones unveiled at CES New phones unveiled at CES By Ben Charny Staff Writer, CNET News.com January 6, 2002, 9:00 p.m. PT Nokia, Sprint and others are expected to unveil new phones and phone accessories Monday at the Consumer Electronics Show. The gear will work on most major carriers' current networks and on the new, higher-speed cell phone networks Cingular Wireless, Sprint and Verizon Wireless are expected to introduce this year. The new networks supposedly will be able to handle more cell phone calls at the same time, which carriers say will make cell phones more reliable to use. But whether it will improve coverage areas or dead zones--a major sore spot for cell phone users--remains to be seen. ... http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-8364810.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 01:21:28 -0500 From: chsvideo@hotmail.com (Lincoln J. King-Cliby) Subject: Centrex/Centranet Question Hello, Most of the telephone lines I have access to appear to be Centrex/Centranet (I'm in Verizon/Former-GTE turf), not positive, but the reasons I beleive they be include: 1) Even though pulled straight from the MPE, a "9" is required to place an outside call 2) I can call other numbers within the orginization (at this facility and other facilities in the same city by dialing only the last four digits (3800, 3850 4200, 4205, 4219, 4210, 6260, etc.) So my questions are: 1) Am I right - and what is the proper name for the service? 2) What can be done with these lines? 3) Can caller ID be delivered on a Centrex/CentraNet line Also, I have "inherited" several Northern Telecom/Nortel "Unity" phones that function on POTS lines... Does ANY ONE know ANTHING about these phones (Programming feature light, etc) My guess was these were designed for Centrex service or Centrex-like service delivered on an analogue line from a Nortel KSU. Top description: Handset on left side, "Pause", "Rls" and hold indicatore on right of handset above dialpad, Larger "LNR", "Link", and "Hold" buttons also above dialpad next to previous buttons , eight programmable buttons on the right hand side with charcol covers. Ring indicator is under the "*" key, and ring volume control is under headset. The back of the directory card says "To program telephone set: (Please read the installation and Programming Guide.) 1. Take the handset off-hook 2. Press the program button 3. Press the chosen feature button 4. Dial the number or code you wish to save 5. Repeat steps 1-5 for each button to be programmed To program feature-in-use lamp, see the instruction and programming guide" The front has "P0731336 Iss. 1 and a punch out for the feature-in-use lamp" The back of one has a sticker "NT4L20AA-35 RLS-04 JUN 30 92 CC9227" "Made in the USA", the ringer, a 4 position DIP switch (Off, On, On, Off) The jacks for the headset and phone line and (what looks like) a handset volume adjustment. I would greatly appreciate any information on any of these questions. If you have PDFs or other attachments that you would like to send, please use lincoln %at% pe %dot% net, or use the e-mail address in the headers and reply to my reply. Thanks for any answers you may have Lincoln J. King-Cliby BTW - I would like to thank the regulars of alt.dcom.telecom and comp.dcom.telecom for all the valuable information I have picked up over the past year or so that I've been reading. Great groups. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2002 #3 ****************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org. Date: 8 Jan 2002 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2002 #4 Telecom Digest Tuesday, January 8 2002 Volume 2002 : Number 004 In this issue: ATT "slams" own customers??? Re: ATT "slams" own customers??? If you've been saving your unsolicited faxes (junk faxes) AND you live in California Telecom Update (Canada) #314, January 7, 2002 Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Jan 2002 09:06:17 -0500 From: Randy Hayes Subject: ATT "slams" own customers??? Sorry Heidi: It's actually called "soft-slamming"........... "Cramming" involves a telecom or non-telecom product or service other than your local or long distance PIC.... Thanks Randy Hayes - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 10:13:46 -0500 From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) Subject: Re: ATT "slams" own customers??? In article <3C39AB30.67DEEA1@uni.edu>, Randy Hayes wrote: >Sorry Heidi: > >It's actually called "soft-slamming"........... > >"Cramming" involves a telecom or non-telecom product or service other >than your local or long distance PIC.... Slamming? Cramming? Soft-slamming? What nice sounding words. Seems to me a much simplier word would cover all these situations -- theft. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 10:59:11 -0500 From: stopspam31@yahoo.com (Michael Miller) Subject: If you've been saving your unsolicited faxes (junk faxes) AND you live in California If you've been saving your unsolicited faxes (junk faxes) and you live in California, then either e-mail me or post here how many junk faxes you have physically saved in the last 12 months and whether you are willing to be a plaintiff added to my class action suit. I'm going to file the largest class action in history against these guys. And I've already lined up a bunch of top tier law firms to represent me against your favorite junk faxers such as fax.com, 21st Century Faxes LTD (the folks who send out the 900 number yes/no polling question), Market News Alert (run by Richard Spradling), Wall Street Watch, and a bunch of others that will be revealed shortly. We have a number of plantiffs already, but we'd like to get a couple more. I just don't want to miss anyone important in the class action. It will be in the billions. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 14:21:20 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #314, January 7, 2002 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE ************************************************************ published weekly by Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca Number 314: January 7, 2002 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: ** AT&T CANADA http://www.attcanada.com ** BELL CANADA http://www.bell.ca ** GROUP TELECOM http://www.gt.ca ** LUCENT TECHNOLOGIES CANADA http://www.lucent.ca ** PRIMUS CANADA: http://www.primustel.ca ** Q9 NETWORKS: http://www.Q9.com ** TELUS: http://www.telus.com ** UNISPHERE NETWORKS: http://www.unispherenetworks.com ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Court Okays Look Reorganization ** Telus Predicts Lower Profit, Blames CRTC ** 360 Wins Six-Month Extension ** Nortel Trims Layoff Plans ** Microcell Raises $311 Million ** Rogers Reports Internet, Wireless Growth ** Alcatel Shelves Satellite Network ** Tal Bevan Joins Group Telecom ** Revenue Drops at RIM ** Videotron to Cut $40 Million ** Shaw and Telus Sue and Countersue ** JDS Buys IBM's Transceiver Business ** Sierra Revenue Hit by Product Delays ** Bell Reduces Wholesale ADSL Price ** Telco Price Cap Regime Continues ** Aliant Telcos to Combine Tariffs ** Amtelecom Sale on Hold ** MTS Merges E-Business Units ** Mitec Buys Com Dev Wireless Division ** Wi-LAN Gives Up Stake in DTS ** PBX Market Plagued By "Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt" ============================================================ COURT OKAYS LOOK REORGANIZATION: The Ontario Superior Court has approved a restructuring plan for Look Communications. The broadband wireless carrier, currently operating under bankruptcy protection, says the plan will be implemented by the end of January. (See Telecom Update #309, 313) TELUS PREDICTS LOWER PROFIT, BLAMES CRTC: Telus says its 2002 operating profit will be substantially lower than expected. Company officers attribute the decline to the CRTC's new contribution rules, which will reduce the amount Telus receives from the national fund by about $230 million. ** Telus says that if it succeeds in reversing the CRTC decision, its EBITDA will grow 10% or more. 360 WINS SIX-MONTH EXTENSION: Courts in the U.S. and Canada have extended Vancouver-based 360networks' bankruptcy protection to July 2002. ** Bank creditors of Global Crossing, one of 360networks' largest competitors, have given it until February 13 to restructure its debts and obtain new equity financing. The company warned in November that it is in imminent danger of bankruptcy. NORTEL TRIMS LAYOFF PLANS: Nortel Networks says it will have 48,000 employees when the present layoff process is completed, 3,000 more than previously announced. Expected fourth-quarter sales: US$3.4 billion, down 8% from the previous quarter. (See Telecom Update #305) ** Nortel has named Greg Mumford, former head of its Optical Long Haul Networks division, as Chief Technology Officer. MICROCELL RAISES $311 MILLION: Microcell Telecom has raised $59 million in equity in addition to its previously announced equity offering of $252 million. Deutsche Telecom, acting through VoiceStream Wireless, bought enough shares to maintain its 15% stake. (See Telecom Update #309) ** Microcell has also been promised $100 million in vendor financing for future purchases of Nortel equipment. ROGERS REPORTS INTERNET, WIRELESS GROWTH: On December 31, Rogers Communications had 479,000 Internet customers, 50.6% more than a year earlier. Rogers Wireless voice customers reached 2,992,000, up 19%. ALCATEL SHELVES SATELLITE NETWORK: Citing financing problems and uncertain markets, Alcatel has abandoned plans to deploy the US$6 billion 80-satellite SkyBridge network, which was to provide broadband Internet access. TAL BEVAN JOINS GROUP TELECOM: Currently President of WorldCom Canada, Tal Bevan has been named Executive VP of Business Operations at Group Telecom, effective February 4. CEO Dan Milliard says that Bevan "will be responsible for all revenue generation." REVENUE DROPS AT RIM: Research In Motion reports September- November sales of US$70.9 million, down 11% from the previous quarter. The number of BlackBerry subscribers rose 17% to 289,000. Net loss: $6.3 million. (See Telecom Update #303) ** RIM has agreed to develop a BlackBerry Wireless Handheld for iDEN technology, used in Canada by Telus's Mike service. VIDEOTRON TO CUT $40 MILLION: Videotron, the third-largest cable TV company in Canada, is aiming to cut expenses by up to $40 million this year. The Quebecor-owned company says it lost 6.5% of its customer base to satellite TV providers last year. ** Netgraphe, the Quebecor subsidiary that operates the Canoe Web portal, has laid off 70 people, about 25% of its workforce. SHAW AND TELUS SUE AND COUNTERSUE: On December 17, Shaw Communications suspended its $1 million lawsuit against Telus regarding ads that described the telco's Internet service as "never shared," in order to pursue "good faith settlement negotiations." On December 21, Telus filed a $15 million suit against Shaw for "false and defamatory" ads and remarks by Shaw's President, Peter Bissonnette. JDS BUYS IBM'S TRANSCEIVER BUSINESS: JDS Uniphase has agreed to buy the optical transceiver business of IBM for at least US$340 million in cash and stock. SIERRA REVENUE HIT BY PRODUCT DELAYS: Sierra Wireless is delaying volume shipments of new products for 2.5G wireless networks to ensure these products are "completely ready." Sierra says this is the main reason for a 40% reduction in forecasted fourth-quarter sales. BELL REDUCES WHOLESALE ADSL PRICE: The CRTC has given interim approval to lower prices for the ADSL service Bell Canada provides to Bell Nexxia for resale to ISPs. The non-telco members of the Canadian Association of Internet Providers (CAIP) say this does not address its complaint that Nexxia's wholesale rates are above Bell's retail price for high-speed Internet service (see Telecom Update #296). http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2001/o2001-914.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/Eng/2001/8622/C51-02.htm TELCO PRICE CAP REGIME CONTINUES: A December 17 letter from CRTC Executive Director Telecom Shirley Soehn says that "the current price cap regime remains in place until such time as the Commission establishes the regulatory regime that will go into effect sometime in 2002." The letter responds to an AT&T/Call-Net proposal to make all telco rates interim as of January 1 so that any new rates could be made retroactive (see Telecom Update #313). http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Letters/2001/lt011217.htm ALIANT TELCOS TO COMBINE TARIFFS: Order CRTC 2001-898 approves introduction of a common General Tariff for Aliant Telecom. When complete, it will cover all services now separately tariffed by Island Tel, MT&T, NB Tel, and NewTel. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/ENG/Orders/2001/o2001-898.htm AMTELECOM SALE ON HOLD: Regional Cablesystems has requested changes to its deal to buy Amtelecom's telephone, cable TV, and Internet businesses (see Telecom Update #297). In response, Amtelecom cancelled a January 29 meeting which was to approve the deal, saying the proposed changes are not in the interests of its shareholders. ** In November, Cabinet rejected an appeal of the contribution rules filed by Amtelecom and several other independent telcos (see Telecom Update #282). MTS MERGES E-BUSINESS UNITS: Manitoba Telecom has completed the merger of Exocom subsidiary into its other e-business division, Qunara. The combined organization has 260 employees in five provinces. (See Telecom Update #264) MITEC BUYS COM DEV WIRELESS DIVISION: Montreal-based Mitec Telecom has agreed to pay $23 million in cash and shares for the part of Com Dev International's Wireless Systems Group that makes RF conditioning and satellite ground station components. Com Dev's PCS base station business is still for sale. (See Telecom Update #298) WI-LAN GIVES UP STAKE IN DTS: Wi-LAN has sold its 51% stake in Digital Transmission Systems to the 100 employees of the Atlanta-based network components maker. Wi-LAN wrote off about $40 million in DTS-related assets last September. (See Telecom Update #304) PBX MARKET PLAGUED BY "FEAR, UNCERTAINTY, DOUBT": In the January issue of Telemanagement, Allan Sulkin concludes that in today's volatile PBX market, "finding a stable vendor is more important than the latest technology." Also in this issue: ** Ian Angus: "Who Put the Con in Convergence?" ** John Riddell & Mike Dunne: "Getting the Best Deals for Corporate Mobile Communication" ** Gerry Blackwell: "Free-Space Optics: A New Option for Short-Haul Data" Single copies of Telemanagement #191 are $75 each: call 905-686-5050 ext 500 and charge to Visa, American Express, or Mastercard. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Jan 2002 19:25:52 -0500 From: Kevin Strietzel Subject: Re: 25 questions to ask an ISP Fred Goldstein wrote: > > On Sunday 06 January 2002 06:15, jjones wrote > > According to Qwest - there is no such thing as a residential ISDN line. > > It MUST be ordered from their small business side, and paid for > > accordingly. I just got mine removed and replaced with Qwest DSL to an > > independant ISP which gave me a block of static address space to use for > > my home servers. > > That would be news, and news I haven't heard. > > US West filed residential ISDN tariffs, in most or all of its states, in the > early 1990s. The template tariff was something like $70/month flat rate, or > $30/month measured. Later, they amended it in most states (depending on what > that state's PUC allowed) to be 200 hours for around $70, or flat rate for > around $180. That to discourage nailed circuits. > > Check to see if they have tariffs on line. I think somebody's lying. I > don't think most (if any) of the states would let them cancel residential > ISDN just like that. Mebbe, mebbe not. Yes, I think it has to be ordered through Qwest's small business side (my experience a couple years ago). However, that shouldn't necessarily mean it's under a business tarriff. It could be an unusual enough request that it's not worth training the regular consumer-grade staff to handle it, so instead they let the much smaller and possibly easier to train small business unit handle orders. - --Kevin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2002 #4 ****************************** - To leave this list, send a message containing "unsubscribe" to telecom-digest-request@telecom-digest.org.