Date: 12 Feb 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #1 Telecom Digest Monday, February 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 001 In this issue: Re: CLEC ripoff Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over Re: CLEC ripoff Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Feb 2001 22:02:32 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: CLEC ripoff John R Levine wrote: "More likely the IXCs will decline to deliver calls to CLECs that pull this kind of nonsense. I'm not aware of any rule that says that IXCs have to deliver calls to every number in the country. They already block calls to 976 numbers, after all." 976 numbers are one thing -- ordinary phone lines are another. Most folks now seem to expect to be able to call any number in the U.S. no matter which carrier they use; I predict that the first carrier that tries blocking price-gouging CLECs will lose a number of customers right away to carriers that don't. (Though another possibility might be that IXCs could refuse to handle calls *from* offending CLECs, thus encouraging their prospective customers to complain to the CLEC.) "The access charges must have been pretty outrageous, since IXCs pay the 6 cent/min NECA access charge without a peep." I've forgotten who, but there reportedly is at least one IXC that varies its rate based on the access charges at each end -- they might charge 6 cents for a call between two 2-cent LECs, but 10 cents for a call between a 2-cent LEC and a 6-cent NECA LEC. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2001 23:27:44 -0500 From: Robert Eden Subject: Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over > Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over > Boom in wireless displaces an American institution The "American Institution" did it to itself. I got my cell phone after stopping at 3 different resturants (served by 3 different COCOT companies) trying to return a page while driving home from work. Not 1! was able to dial the number. ( it was in a 6 month old exchange ) Robert - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2001 23:32:14 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: CLEC ripoff >[I said]: They already block calls to 976 numbers, after all." > >976 numbers are one thing -- ordinary phone lines are another. Most folks >now seem to expect to be able to call any number in the U.S. no matter which >carrier they use; I predict that the first carrier that tries blocking >price-gouging CLECs will lose a number of customers right away to carriers >that don't. (Though another possibility might be that IXCs could refuse to >handle calls *from* offending CLECs, thus encouraging their prospective >customers to complain to the CLEC.) Plenty of cheap IXCs won't take customers from NECA areas now (although they complete calls to NECA areas, of course), that's hardly news. I suspect that if the IXC said "we blocked that call for your own protection, we'd have to charge you an extra 20 cents/min if we completed it", that'd deal with most of the complaints. It might even be true. I would be surprised if the CLEC in question has many POTS customers. More likely it's yet another attempt to get 900-like rates without a 900 number. >I've forgotten who, but there reportedly is at least one IXC that varies its >rate based on the access charges at each end -- they might charge 6 cents >for a call between two 2-cent LECs, but 10 cents for a call between a 2-cent >LEC and a 6-cent NECA LEC. Sounds like iPhonebill, rates about 4.9 cpm RBOC to RBOC, 15.9 cpm NECA to NECA. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2001 23:38:11 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes >> Yes, that's very common. Outside North America, mobile numbers are >> caller-pays and segregated into separate area codes, and international >> carriers have to pay the mobile surcharge. I just read an article on this very topic in the current America's Network. The surcharges are indeed for calls to mobile phones, and they're an incredible hassle for international long distance carriers because there's no reasonable way to keep track of what's a mobile number and what's not. Even worse, in some places like Argentina, they assign ranges of phone numbers at random to mobile service. In one area of Buenos Aries, you have to look at the 7th digit of the phone number (starting with the country code) to know if it's mobile or not. ITU standards say that you can rate a call by the first six digits, and that's all a lot of phone switches can do, so I think they just block areas that they can't rate. It also mentioned that in many countries the IXC can get cheaper rates to a few big cities, which it may or may not pass along to its customers, and in the current environment in which carriers resell capacity on a daily basis, the opportunities for arbitrage are legion. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 01:08:19 -0500 From: Louis RAPHAEL Subject: Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over This is not surprising, of course. What *is* surprising is that over the last few years, Bell Canada has been "littering" new pay phones all over Montreal - metro platforms, busy streets, etc. A few CoCot-type phones have also appeared. Bell has also been replacing older model payphones with new ones (I think it's called the "Millenium" model) at an alarming rate. On the other hand (for those who read the article), a few public baths can still be found, although very little attention still seems to be paid to them. Louis Monty Solomon wrote: : Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over : Boom in wireless displaces an American institution - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 01:26:54 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over > Bell [Canada] has also been replacing older model payphones with new > ones (I think it's called the "Millenium" model) at an alarming > rate. The new phones are nice. They accept prepaid smart cards as well as cash and credit cards. The rates for toll calls paid with a smart card are quite decent, the cheapest way I've found to call home when I'm in Toronto. (The rates for a call charged to a Visa card aren't awful, vastly lower than using any sort of telco calling card which ends up as an AT&T full rate operator assisted call.) In the airport I also saw a coinless mini-version which only takes cards. They must be inspired by the French. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #1 ****************************** Date: 13 Feb 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #2 Telecom Digest Tuesday, February 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 002 In this issue: Looking for Switch job in Indianapolis Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Telecom Update (Canada) #270, February 12, 2001 Millennium phones (was: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over) Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. Ricochet misfires, likely to hangfire: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country 2/12/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Feb 2001 07:24:43 -0500 From: fabdoggrec@aol.com (FabDoggRec) Subject: Looking for Switch job in Indianapolis Hello, I am presently looking for a switch job in Indianapolis. Preferably DMS related. I have nearly 11 years DMS experience (100, 200, 250, 500) and have experienced the pain of mass layoffs. If anyone knows of any positions readily available, feel free to contact me. Thank you Tobias Moran - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 09:01:03 -0500 From: Michael Hartley Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. > >> Yes, that's very common. Outside North America, mobile numbers are > >> caller-pays and segregated into separate area codes, and > international > >> carriers have to pay the mobile surcharge. > <..> The surcharges are indeed for calls to mobile phones, and > they're an incredible hassle for international long distance carriers > because there's no reasonable way to keep track of what's a mobile > number and what's not. Depends where you are. In the UK it's very easy since there are specific parts of the numberspace assigned to mobile phones, so once the current code changes are complete ('real soon now') you'll be able to tell by looking at the 3rd digit (ie +44 7*** *** *** is a mobile number, +44 1*** *** *** is PSTN). In reality ISTR the ITU has all appropriate area code info. Mike NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant the accuracy or completeness of such information. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 09:55:03 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes On 11 Feb 2001 23:38:11 -0500, John R Levine wrote: > >> Yes, that's very common. Outside North America, mobile numbers are > >> caller-pays and segregated into separate area codes, and international > >> carriers have to pay the mobile surcharge. > > I just read an article on this very topic in the current America's > Network. The surcharges are indeed for calls to mobile phones, and > they're an incredible hassle for international long distance carriers > because there's no reasonable way to keep track of what's a mobile > number and what's not. Indeed. And, as far as I'm concerned, the convenience is to the mobile user; of *course* *they* should be paying the freight for that convenience. I've been barefoot of GTE for 4 years now; I'm entitled to say that. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 10:54:41 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #270, February 12, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 270: February 12, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Colville Appointed Interim CRTC Chair ** Cannect in Receivership ** Executive Shake-Up at Axxent ** Big Jump in Bell, Telus Wireless Subscribers ** Videotron Telecom for Sale ** Loral Ends Cash Support to Globalstar ** CRTC Okays Telebec Cableco Purchase ** Local Competition to Expand in Quebec? ** WorldCom Name Enters Canada ** Massive Survey Finds No Cellphone Cancer Risk ** Study Links Wireless Use With Car Accidents ** Fido, Telus Offer Wireless E-Mail ** Directory 'Invoice' Mailers Charged Again ** CRTC Declines to Investigate Bell Pricing ** Nasdaq Delists Call-Net ** Mipps Bundles DSL, Wireless LAN ** Cowpland Buys Wireless Developer ** Aliant Names New CEO ** Financial Reports AT&T Canada Cisco Systems Group Telecom ** Acclaimed Call Centre Seminar Comes to Toronto ============================================================ COLVILLE APPOINTED INTERIM CRTC CHAIR: Heritage Minister Sheila Copps has appointed David Colville as interim Chair of the CRTC until August, replacing Françoise Bertrand (see Telecom Update #262). Colville is widely considered a leading candidate for the post when it is filled on a longer-term basis. CANNECT IN RECEIVERSHIP: Cannect Communications, a Competitive Local Exchange Carrier with operations in Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, and Ottawa, was placed in receivership on February 7. Ernst & Young, the interim receiver, says it is looking for a buyer. Chief Executive George Horhota has left the company, and about 160 of 440 employees have lost their jobs. EXECUTIVE SHAKE-UP AT AXXENT: Chairman Bill Young and CFO Chris Clinning have resigned from Competitive Local Exchange Carrier Axxent Corp, and the company is not renewing its contract with Steve Kerekes and Tom Davis, who have been responsible for sales, marketing, and operations. CEO Bob Latham is now also Chairman; former Bell Canada exec Jim Lovie is President; and Anil Amlani, previously with AT&T Canada and Cancom, is Senior VP and CFO. ** Axxent's revenue for the quarter ending December 31 was $22.5 million, 60% more than the previous year. EBITDA loss grew to $16.5 million. Axxent has obtained $70 million in financing for the purchase of Nortel equipment. BIG JUMP IN BELL, TELUS WIRELESS SUBSCRIBERS: ** Bell Mobility added 185,000 subscribers in the fourth quarter, 67% more than last year, ending the year with 2.34 million. ** Telus Mobility reports a fourth-quarter increase of 166,100 wireless subscribers, 16% more than last year, bringing its total to 2.16 million. (These figures include Clearnet and QuebecTel.) VIDEOTRON TELECOM FOR SALE: At an briefing for financial analysts last week, Quebecor's Chief Financial Officer said that the company expects to sell its business telephone service company, Videotron Telecom, in the next few months. LORAL ENDS CASH SUPPORT TO GLOBALSTAR: Loral Space and Communications says it will provide no further funding to satellite phone provider Globalstar and will write down "substantially all" of its Globalstar investment. CRTC OKAYS TELEBEC CABLECO PURCHASE: CRTC Decision 2001-45 approves the purchase by Telebec, a unit of Bell Canada, of Cablevision du Nord de Quebec, a cableco in Telebec's territory with 32,000 subscribers. Five commissioners dissented. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Decisions/2001/DB2001-45.htm LOCAL COMPETITION TO EXPAND IN QUEBEC? In Public Notice 2001- 24, the CRTC invites comments on the terms and timing of opening competition in local telephone and payphone service in the territories of QuebecTel and Telebec. To participate, notify the Commission by February 28. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Notices/2001/PT2001-24.htm WORLDCOM NAME ENTERS CANADA: Internet Service Provider UUNet Canada has adopted the name of its U.S. parent company, becoming WorldCom Canada Ltd. ** WorldCom Inc. says its fourth-quarter earnings fell 44% from the previous year; long distance revenue dropped 5.6%. MASSIVE SURVEY FINDS NO CELLPHONE CANCER RISK: A study of 420,000 Danish cellphone users found that they were no more likely to contract brain cancer, leukemia, or salivary gland tumors than non-users. STUDY LINKS WIRELESS USE WITH CAR ACCIDENTS: A Universite de Montreal survey reports that wireless telephone users have a 38% higher risk of accident. Risk increases with the frequency of calls. FIDO, TELUS OFFER WIRELESS E-MAIL: ** Microcell Solutions' Fido handsets now offer e-mail and information services developed by Microcell i5. Basic i.Fido service costs 10 cents/message, with 20 messages a month free. ** Telus Mobility has introduced Telusmail, which provides e-mail access to subscribers across Canada with data- enabled handsets. Telus also provides e-mail access to i-Web users in Alberta and B.C. DIRECTORY 'INVOICE' MAILERS CHARGED AGAIN: In November, the Competition Bureau filed charges against companies and individuals associated with the "Yellow Business Pages" and "Yellow Business Directory" for mailing 500,000 ads that appeared to be invoices. Last week the same people were arrested and charged again: the bureau says they mailed 250,000 more in December. CRTC DECLINES TO INVESTIGATE BELL PRICING: In Order 2001-120, the CRTC turns down Call-Net's request that it investigate alleged predatory long distance pricing practices by Bell Canada and Bell Nexxia (see Telecom Update #248). The Commission said Call-Net had not provided sufficient evidence to support its charge. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-120.htm NASDAQ DELISTS CALL-NET: On February 7, Nasdaq delisted Call- Net Class B shares from its SmallCap Market, because they had failed to maintain a price of US$1 per share. The shares continue to trade on the TSE and on Nasdaq's OTC Bulletin Board. (See Telecom Update #269) MIPPS BUNDLES DSL, WIRELESS LAN: Markham, Ont.-based Mipps Inc, which provides wireless Internet service, now offers wireless LAN services (from Proxim) bundled with DSL Internet access (from Rhythms Canada). COWPLAND BUYS WIRELESS DEVELOPER: Michael Cowpland, former CEO of Corel, has bought a majority stake in Ottawa-based Zim Technologies International, a wireless applications developer. Copeland is now Zim's President and CEO. ALIANT NAMES NEW CEO: Jay Forbes, former CFO of Oxford Properties Group, has been named Executive VP and CFO of Aliant Inc. FINANCIAL REPORTS: ** AT&T Canada's fourth-quarter revenue was $386 million, up 11.3% from the previous year. Local service now provides 12% of revenue; long distance, 44%; data and Internet, 42%. EBITDA was $11.1 million; the net loss was $176 million. ** Cisco Systems reports net sales of US$6.75 billion for the quarter ended January 27, up 55% from the previous year and 3.5% from the preceding quarter, but below analysts' predictions. Cisco predicted flat or slightly reduced revenue for the next two quarters. Cisco's net rose 7% on the year to $874 million. ** Group Telecom's fourth-quarter sales were $39.9 million, 24% higher than the previous quarter. At year-end, GT provided 48,435 access lines, a 33% increase. EBITDA losses were $27.3 million; the net loss was $79.3 million. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 11:36:09 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Millennium phones (was: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over) Louis Raphael: > > Bell [Canada] has also been replacing older model payphones with new > > ones (I think it's called the "Millenium" model) at an alarming > > rate. I'm not sure why Louis finds it alarming; the new phones have all features that the old ones did. John Levine writes: > The new phones are nice. They accept prepaid smart cards as well as > cash and credit cards. The rates for toll calls paid with a smart > card are quite decent ... Also occasionally useful is the fact that there's a "next call" button (like on British payphones) so that if you haven't used up the coins you've put in, you can make another call. With local calls at 25 cents, this means you can make 4 calls on a $1 coin or 2 calls on 5 dimes, and you can redial a call that wasn't answered without rehandling coins. However, the phones were already widely installed before $2 coins were introduced in 1996, and they still *don't* take $2 coins. This is not much of an issue for local calls (if all you had was a $2 coin and you wanted to make one call, it'd be cheaper to charge it to your home number) but must be a nuisance for people who pay for long-distance calls with coins -- I haven't done that for years, but the last I heard, the first minute to anywhere included a connection charge of over $2. (That 25-cent Canadian rate for local calls is starting to look quite cheap now that many US cities charge 35 cents, or about twice as much. I wonder how much longer it will last.) - -- Mark Brader "It flies like a truck." Toronto "Good. What is a truck?" msb@vex.net -- BUCKAROO BANZAI My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 14:24:52 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. ><..> The surcharges are indeed for calls to mobile phones, and >> they're an incredible hassle for international long distance carriers >> because there's no reasonable way to keep track of what's a mobile >> number and what's not. >In reality ISTR the ITU has all appropriate area code info. In theory that's probably true, in reality the ITU's tables are way out of date. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 14:55:44 -0500 From: John Bartley Subject: Ricochet misfires, likely to hangfire: Ricochet will likely go dark... as per the NYT article slugged: Metricom, in Financial Trouble, Warns of Shutdown http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/09/technology/09WIRE.html?printpage=yes and the ZDNET article: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2683889,00.html ===== - -- "We should call this Year One of Day One." RAH to Uncle Walter, 1969-07-20 John Bartley, NT sysadmin, Portland OR (503) BAR-TLEY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Feb 2001 19:52:04 -0500 From: mandarin@spamcop.net (Richard D G Cox) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) wrote: > In one area of Buenos Aries, you have to look at the 7th digit of the > phone number (starting with the country code) to know if it's mobile or > not. ITU standards say that you can rate a call by the first six digits ITU standards say that you can *ROUTE* a call by the first SEVEN digits ITU standards do not say anything about rating. Telcos would get very upset if they did! Rating is if anything a matter for local regulation. And from "Time-T" the six changed to a seven. National Numbering schemes that I design are now based around the revised maximum of seven, with the obvious proviso that I try to make it much less than that if I can. > six digits, and that's all a lot of phone switches can do Apart from calls from CO-controlled payphones (now even rarer than ever due to the regulatory requirements) phone switches don't RATE. Calling cards calls are mostly rated by add-on platforms, not by the switches. > so I think they just block areas that they can't rate. More likely, block areas where they are dissatisfied with the commercial arrangements between the carriers. If it was just a matter of rating (leaving aside cases where they don't have the rating information, which raise different issues, if it was just a matter of rating they would get it fixed. Call minutes are a Telco's lifeblood, the more expensive calls attractively so. They aren't going to throw away that income willingly! However there may be a separate issue with the contractual arrangements. If a Telco is obliged to give a certain amount of notice of rate changes (either contractually or as a result of local tariffs/regulation) and the terminating operator increases their rate, the originating operator has the choice of either handling those calls at a loss (in the interests of good customer relations) or blocking the calls. And different companies usually have different corporate policies on ethical issues like that! A number of UK Telcos (including Atlantic - used to be First - Telecom) now routinely block international calls terminating on foreign mobiles, which is a nuisance for any caller whose PABX automatically selects that carrier or whose local loop is PICC'd to them (and yes, preselection IS now available in the UK!). I don't think I'm the only one over here who is looking for a new carrier ... 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #2 ****************************** Date: 14 Feb 2001 06:15:15 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #3 Telecom Digest Wednesday, February 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 003 In this issue: Information on GR-303 Needed 2/13/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:02:32 -0500 From: James Bush Subject: Information on GR-303 Needed Can anyone tell me what GR-303 is? I know it's a standard for channel banks but that it. Any line on documentation or an explanation would be appreciated.. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #3 ****************************** Date: 15 Feb 2001 06:15:14 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #4 Telecom Digest Thursday, February 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 004 In this issue: Re: Information on GR-303 Needed RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #3 RE: Information on GR-303 Needed Old document sought - Technical Reference 62310 National/International formatting of numbers Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes 2/14/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes monty@roscom.com wants you to visit Town Online Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Feb 2001 09:10:57 -0500 From: Dan Boehlke Subject: Re: Information on GR-303 Needed Greetings, I had the following sites bookmarked after my own search for GR-303 information. I used GR-303 between an Accelerated Networks MSAP voice gateway card and a DMS-500 switch in a VoDSL experiment at the Telco I used to work for. http://www.gr-303.com/technical.htm http://www.utstar.com/news/articles/article2.htm http://puma.chaski.com/edi/gr2833_white_paper.htm http://puma.chaski.com/edi/gr303_eoc_white_paper.htm http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/00mar/slides/adsl-iad-00mar/sld005.htm http://www.connect.org/telemarkets/tcslides/xREISTERslides/sld004.htm For deeper information, I would recommend the Telecordia standards documents on IDLC and GR-303, they can be quite costly to obtain, out of my reach as an individual. >Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:02:32 -0500 >From: James Bush >Subject: Information on GR-303 Needed > >Can anyone tell me what GR-303 is? I know it's a standard for channel >banks but that it. Any line on documentation or an explanation would be >appreciated.. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 13:26:31 -0500 From: "David N. Hunt" Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #3 James, Very simply, GR-303 is a standard interface between a Class 5 switch and a Digital Loop Carrier System (DLC). It enables multiple subscribers served by the DLC to access the switch via a trunk group with fewer trunks than subscribers. Telcordia (http://www.telcordia.com/) has numerous "spec" on the different requirements. I believe the basic one is around $1,500-2,000. David David N. Hunt, Executive Vice President - Business Development Mid-South Consulting Engineers, Inc. 3901 Rose Lake Drive, Charlotte, NC 28217 dnhunt@msceng.com, Tel: 704/357-0004, Fax: 704/357-0025 - -----Original Message----- Date: 13 Feb 2001 09:02:32 -0500 From: James Bush Subject: Information on GR-303 Needed Can anyone tell me what GR-303 is? I know it's a standard for channel banks but that it. Any line on documentation or an explanation would be appreciated.. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:50:28 -0500 From: "Kimberlin, Don" Subject: RE: Information on GR-303 Needed In article James Bush wrote: >Can anyone tell me what GR-303 is? I know it's a standard for channel banks but that it. Any line on documentation or an explanation would be appreciated.. GR-303 is one of the new series of Telcordia (formerly Bell Labs) "General Recommendations" documents. These are for sale at Telcordia and are the "specs" manufacturers purchase to design and build their telecom industry products to. There's a great deal more than simply "channel banks" in GR-303. It describes the requirements for a wide range of subscriber line devices. See more at www.telcordia.com. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 14:55:10 -0500 From: "Kimberlin, Don" Subject: Old document sought - Technical Reference 62310 I could make good use of a read of an old Bell System Technical Reference 62310. It's a descriptor of the first DDS. Searches of Web resources produce several documents that refer to TR 62310, but frustratingly, no place (not even the US Library of Congress or numerous universities) seem to have it in catalog, much less available on line. Is there a Good Samaritan of Cyberspace out there who might have a copy on a server or who would scan a paper copy to make it available? TIA! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:19:07 -0500 From: Martin D Kealey Subject: National/International formatting of numbers [sorry for the lost the attribution] > The "+61 (0)3 9876 4321" format which indicates that the zero is a > within-country lead-in would be the best, if there were some more > standard way of expressing it. I beg to differ; I think putting a bracketted part in the middle is positively the worst option, for the simple reason that it's totally ambiguous. I've seen both of these commonly in use: +44(0)181 xxx xxxx +1(212)xxx-xxxx where the locals still have to know to ignore the country code on the front, and everyone else has to guess whether they should ignore or include the part in brackets. Some countries have area codes starting with "0" (eg Russia, Italy) so even that's not a reliable guide. > The areas in Australia are generally referred as "02" (oh two), etc, > in speech. Therefore it makes sense to use "03 9876 4321" in totally > local contexts and "+61 3 9876 4321" in international contexts. This seems to be common in a lot of countries, mine included, but writing both together (or a hybrid) is interim measures which by now is past its use-by date: international dialing has been unremarkable for twenty years and commonplace for over ten, so it's about time that people were encouraged to recognise their country code in the same way that they recognise their area code. If this were done then it shouldn't be necessary to deviate from E.123 format to cater to an international audience, as your national audience will also understand it. I live in New Zealand; perhaps folk living in a small island nation such as this are more aware of their place in the world, and I'm expecting too much of folk in larger, more self-contained countries; however everyone I know (older relatives included) would have no difficulty recognising that +64 25 234 5678 is a NZ number, and that the "64" should be omitted and the number dialed as "0 25 234 5678". However the NANP countries have it even easier: even if people don't recognise the "1" as the country code, they'll likely assume it's the dialing prefix and ignore it anyway, so it would be harmless to include it in all listings, starting right now. I'd like to suggest to all residents of cyberspace that whenever you see a phone or fax number in a .sig or VCard that isn't in E.123 format, gently suggest to the sender that it would be more widely understood if they did put it in E.123 format. - -Martin. PS: E.123 format is a plus sign followed by the country code and other digits, with no other punctuation marks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 16:19:08 -0500 From: martin@kurahaupo.gen.nz (Martin D Kealey) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > as far as I'm concerned, the convenience is to the mobile user; of > *course* *they* should be paying the freight for that convenience. > I've been barefoot of GTE for 4 years now; I'm entitled to say that. I'm not sure if this is a troll or not... In the Telecom Digest we've been around this "caller pays" argument many times, and the claim that "the convenience is to the mobile user" just isn't true in any universal sense. Rather, there are two benefits which accrue to different parties: availability and utilisation. Availability is indeed mostly to the cellphone user's benefit, but then it is paid for entirely by the cellphone user when they purchase a cellphone and occassionally replace its batteries (and take the trouble to recharge and carry the darn thing). Who derives the benefit of utilisation depends entirely on the reason for each call. Given that the caller can either phone my home phone or my cellphone, then clearly they are getting a benefit worth paying for when they choose the latter. On the other hand, if I particularly want people to be able to contact me when I'm away from home then I can forward my home phone to my cellphone, and pay for the utilisation too. Or I can give my free-phone number to specific people whom I always want to be able to call me. At least this way we have a choice; without caller-pays there would be no choice. My wild prediction: USA will have caller-pays cellphones within 5 years, once it realises that it's dangerously close to lagging behind Europe, Asia and Australasia on the per-capita uptake of cellphones. - -Martin. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 17:49:26 -0500 From: "Kanchana Wanichkorn" Subject: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Does anyone know how to convert AT&T Vertical and Horizontal (V and H) coordinate system to/from latitude and longitude system? Thank you in advance. Kanchana Wanichkorn - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 20:03:53 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude There at least used to be a couple places on the net that did it one way (I forget which). If you can't find it with Google, try searching PAT's archives. I have seen a picture of what is done. It is a projection of a part of the globe onto a plane passed through it such that part is above the plane and part below. The slice is not purely East-West. To minimize errors for the US and lower Canada, it is at an angle. I think VH to lat/long is the hard one. The way they have done truncation there is a finite limit to the resolution also. On 14 Feb 2001 17:49:26 -0500, "Kanchana Wanichkorn" wrote: >Does anyone know how to convert AT&T Vertical and Horizontal (V and H) >coordinate system to/from latitude and longitude system? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:19:00 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes > My wild prediction: USA will have caller-pays cellphones within 5 > years, once it realises that it's dangerously close to lagging > behind Europe, Asia and Australasia on the per-capita uptake of > cellphones. You may find this hard to believe, but we don't care. There are a few caller-pays cell phone exchanges in the US now, and as far as I know, they are a resounding failure. A large reason for that is that cell phone numbers are integrated into the landline numbering scheme, and we have extremely little interest in "depth charge" phone numbers that cost more than regular numbers in the same area. Long distance carriers have no technical way to bill back surcharges, which means that caller-pays cellular would be impossible to call from outside the local area, just like 976 numbers are. If you follow the Telecom digest, you know why there is no chance at all of putting cellular into a separate numbering space, so I won't belabor that here. (New Zealand is a swell place, but it has roughly the population of Connecticut, one of the smaller US states, so it's not a useful model for the US phone system.) What we are seeing is mobile service with vast number of minutes bundled into the monthly rate, so many that customers don't use them all, so for practical purposes their phone service is flat rate. I think this is what was supposed to happen in the first place. What's better than caller pays or callee pays? Neither pays. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 22:43:00 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes On 14 Feb 2001 16:19:08 -0500, Martin D Kealey wrote: > Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > > as far as I'm concerned, the convenience is to the mobile user; of > > *course* *they* should be paying the freight for that convenience. > > I've been barefoot of GTE for 4 years now; I'm entitled to say that. > > I'm not sure if this is a troll or not... Check deja^H^H^H^HGoogle. I'm a long time Digest subscriber. No trolls here; you can feed me. > In the Telecom Digest we've been around this "caller pays" argument many > times, and the claim that "the convenience is to the mobile user" just > isn't true in any universal sense. Rather, there are two benefits which > accrue to different parties: availability and utilisation. OK. > Availability is indeed mostly to the cellphone user's benefit, but then > it is paid for entirely by the cellphone user when they purchase a > cellphone and occassionally replace its batteries (and take the trouble > to recharge and carry the darn thing). Yup. But guess what: that airtime and, more importantly, those tandem trunks (since that's what you're really paying for) cost money, too, so shuffling the airtime bill off as not being pertinent to availability is pretty disingenuous, at least IMHO. > Who derives the benefit of utilisation depends entirely on the reason for > each call. Given that the caller can either phone my home phone or my > cellphone, then clearly they are getting a benefit worth paying for when > they choose the latter. I don't think that I see how this follows, actually, since, as you note: > On the other hand, if I particularly want people to be able to contact me > when I'm away from home then I can forward my home phone to my cellphone, > and pay for the utilisation too. So, the question *really* is "just how available am I willing to [pay for] be[ing]", is it not? > Or I can give my free-phone number to specific people whom I always want > to be able to call me. At least this way we have a choice; without > caller-pays there would be no choice. Stipulated, but I don't see that that choice is especially useful, myself. The times when I would feel that calling someone on their cellphone was worth .40 a minute to *me* boil down to emergencies, especially when I know that if *they* were paying for it, it would only cost .07... that's not enough traffic to make the service self-supporting (given all the changes the service would likely require). > My wild prediction: USA will have caller-pays cellphones within 5 years, > once it realises that it's dangerously close to lagging behind Europe, > Asia and Australasia on the per-capita uptake of cellphones. Maybe. If so, we *won't* again, in 6 years. Maybe 7. Does that statistic really matter to anyone? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2001 22:45:40 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 2/14/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800, ENUM and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ CONTENTS - - REALNAMES DEPLOYS KEYWORDS - - THEY PAID *HOW* MUCH?! - - SENATE ICANN HEARING PALPABLY CONTENTIOUS ____________________________________________________ _______________Please visit our sponsors.________________ TheTelephoneCompany.com offers you Low Rate Discount Long Distance, Calling Cards, and Toll Free Services that save you 60% on all of your Communications needs. http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_telcohdsup ___________________________________________________ Toll Free Dial Around Service - rock bottom international rates International CallBack Service - outside-U.S? 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What's >better than caller pays or callee pays? Neither pays. Well, it would be nice if that was the case, but you and I and everyone else here knows it's not. It's more accurate to say "Caller pays, but they've prepaid for enough airtime that they generally don't care." The exception is flat-rate unlimited calling packages, which were floating around my hometown last Christmas, for example. Other than that, next time you're in the neighborhood, ask me to take you over to my local Alltel cellular store and ask them to pull up my account... ;) - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 23:29:42 -0500 From: monty@roscom.com Subject: monty@roscom.com wants you to visit Town Online This e-mail was sent by monty@roscom.com after finding an interesting article on Town Online. For all your local news from Eastern Massachusetts, along with insightful commentary, breaking news stories, local arts entertainment and sports from across Massachusetts and the nation, visit: http://www.townonline.com To read the full story and see photos, go to: http://www.townonline.com/metrowest/framingham/news/05743045.htm Despite snags, 911 works, officials say By Norman Miller When Westborough lost 911 services last Thursday, it wasn’t the first area town to encounter the problem.But despite the incidents, many area public safety officials said there are enough backups in their systems to prevent major problems. " If it ever happened, I think it would swing right over to our backups, " said Southborough Police Chief William Colleary. " You have to have a plan in place, " said Marlborough Fire Chief John Kyle. " If 911 services in Marlborough go down, we have a secondary in place. The call would be rerouted to the Sudbury Police Department. " The Sudbury Police Department would get ... us through either phone or radio. I think it would add some extra time, but I don’t think it would cause that much of a problem, depending on the call. " Westborough lost 911 service, as well as all phone service, for about 45 minutes on Thursday from 8:35 a.m. to 9:20 a.m. Any 911 calls that came in would have gone to either Shrewsbury or Northborough after going u! nanswered for a certain number of rings.Normally, 911 calls automatically print caller information on a screen as well as being answered by a dispatcher.Although no emergencies were reported, Police Chief Glenn Parker said he was worried something could have happened. " You can’t believe what could happen in 45 minutes, " said the chief. " Luckily we had no accidents, no assaults, no fires, no break-ins, no robberies — we were tremendously lucky. The (Department of Public Works) could have had a water pump go down, and we wouldn’t have had any water. " The problem was due to a malfunction of Verizon equipment.Linda Mahoney, a spokesman for Verizon in Marlborough, said the main call processer, located on Summer Street in Westborough, " went down. " No reason is known for the problem, Mahoney said.Normally, if something like that occurs, all the calls go through the backup call processor. Unfortunately, at that time the backup processor was being repaired, Mahoney said. " Wh! en the main side of the processor experienced some problems and went to divert the traffic to the backup, the backup was not able to take it, " said Mahoney. " As soon as the main unit experienced the problems, we immediately tried to finish the work we were doing. " This was an unusual problem because they were working on the backup at the time. " Other towns have experienced similar problems.Last February, Ashland lost 911 services for several hours in the afternoon. During that time, one MacArthur Road resident called 911 three times to report a chimney fire. Luckily, Fire Chief William Kee spotted smoke coming from the home and dispatched fire crews.One 911 caller trying to call in a medical emergency got busy signals before directly dialing the Police Department. Another caller twice tried 911 to get help for a child who swallowed a nickel. The call was rerouted to the Hopkinton Police Department.The problems were created by system overload, Kee said, and there was nothi! ng Ashland could have done to avoid the problem. " All we could do was sit back and cross our fingers, " said Kee. " We’re only as capable as technology permits, and we’re at the mercy of the technology. When a widget breaks, a widget breaks — what are you going to do. " Deputy Chief Thomas Barbieri said Framingham lost its 911 service once. . He said a combination of relying on call boxes, backup towns and the naked eye helped avoid any emergencies. " We placed apparatus strategically throughout the town, " said Barbieri. " We also have pull boxes that aren’t tied into any phone lines. So if anyone ever has any problem, they can pull it. " Although there weren’t any problems, it’s not an experience he wants to go through again, Barbieri said. " Anytime you don’t have phone lines, it’s always stressful, but it’s always out of our control, " he said.Natick has never lost 911, Chief Dennis Mannix said, but if it did, he said he is confident there is enough backup to avoid a! tragedy. " There’s an automatic service if someone with an emergency calls. There wouldn’t be any significant loss of time, " said Mannix. " It’s always a concern when you lose communications, but the design is there to help. " Colleary agreed. " The backup, it’ll be fast enough, " said the chief. " I don’t think it’ll be a problem. " Hopkinton’s backups are Milford, Southborough and Ashland, dispatcher Dave Clemons said. If something did happen, he would be in constant radio contact with those towns.Ashland Police Chief Roy Melnick said although there is not much of a delay getting a call from another town, the few seconds could matter. " It’s very important because minutes and seconds can mean the difference between life and death, " said Melnick. " The idea is to get the police and fire there as quickly as possible. " Hudson Police Chief Richard Braga agreed, and said, " Anytime you’re dealing with any medical emergency or any major car accidents with injuries, tho! se minutes will matter. " Despite the problems of a few communities, none said they would trade 911 in for another system. " It’s way better, " Braga said. " Years ago, we had no recording devices, so if you got the information wrong, it was difficult to check it out. Our number used to be 562-7122, which is our business line now. It’s not an easy number to remember. " When the 911 calls come in on our screens, we get valuable information — names, addresses, " continued Braga. " In the event someone can’t speak, that can certainly be a lifesaving feature. "   - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Feb 2001 23:31:02 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes >From 'Jay R. Ashworth': >> > as far as I'm concerned, the convenience is to the mobile user; of >> > *course* *they* should be paying the freight for that convenience. >> > I've been barefoot of GTE for 4 years now; I'm entitled to say that. >> >> I'm not sure if this is a troll or not... > >Check deja^H^H^H^HGoogle. I'm a long time Digest subscriber. No >trolls here; you can feed me. I'll vouch for Jay. He used to post pretty frequently to the NANOG mailing list, also, and I've never seen anything besides intelligent, non-trollish posts from him. - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 00:19:43 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Martin D Kealey wrote: "My wild prediction: USA will have caller-pays cellphones within 5 years, once it realises that it's dangerously close to lagging behind Europe, Asia and Australasia on the per-capita uptake of cellphones." Why should that matter? How is America harmed if only 40% of its residents choose to have wireless phones while, say, 70% of Europeans have them? Keeping up with the Joneses can be a very expensive, and pointless, game. I have to agree with some of the other posters here -- wireless rates in the U.S. are now low enough that a lot of people don't worry about having to pay for airtime for incoming calls, and some are even willing to use a wireless phone at home instead of wireline service. The wide availability of "first incoming minute free" plans is also a big help. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #4 ****************************** Date: 16 Feb 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #5 Telecom Digest Friday, February 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 005 In this issue: Charges From Calling Cards Often More Than Expected Re: Information on GR-303 Needed Pat Townson update V.32bis soft modem indemnification? Re: National/International formatting of numbers Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes Re: caller pays 2/15/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Re: caller pays ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Feb 2001 09:35:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Charges From Calling Cards Often More Than Expected February 15, 2001 Charges From Calling Cards Often More Than Expected By SETH SCHIESEL Janet E. Oseroff of Manhattan signed up for her new calling card from the local phone company, Verizon Communications, in December, and the plan seemed quite clear. "Your calling card has a simple flat rate," a letter from the company said. "That means you never have to worry about what time it is when you use it, you'll get the same, low 35- cent-per-minute rate on your Verizon Communications domestic long-distance calling card calls." "Just be certain to first dial 1-800- 255-CALL," said another letter she received. "This will ensure you get the low Verizon rate we promise, without any surprise charges from other telephone companies." But Ms. Oseroff was surprised, when, after following those instructions, she received her next bill from Verizon. USAN Inc., a long-distance company Ms. Oseroff had never heard of, had charged her $1.58 for a one- minute call from Atlantic City to Manhattan, and $8.66 for a 13-minute call from Pennsylvania to Colorado. In all, for 53 minutes of calls, USAN wanted $49.09 before taxes - not the $18.55 that a 35-cent-a-minute rate would have totaled. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/15/business/15CARD.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 10:51:33 -0500 From: Bill Krause Subject: Re: Information on GR-303 Needed > Can anyone tell me what GR-303 is? I know it's a standard for channel > banks but that it. Any line on documentation or an explanation would be > appreciated.. GR-303 is a Telcordia (formerly Bellcore) standard for a digital telephony interface between an Digital Loop Carrier (DLC) (a.k.a. access network equipment) and a Local Digital Switch (LDS). It is used in the United States to provide digital access to class 5 switches in a concentrated (over-subscribed) arrangement over T1/DS1 facilities. It supports both POTS and ISDN. A good explanation of the protocols for GR-303, TR-08, and V5.1 and V5.1 can be found on our website under the News & Info, White Papers section. http://www.aztek-eng.com/news.html There you can find the following paper: "Switch Interfaces for Network Access", by J. Mark Elder http://www.aztek-eng.com/telecom.pdf ** Bill Krause, Sr. Electrical Engineer ** ** Aztek Engineering, Inc., Boulder, Colorado USA ** ** http://www.aztek-eng.com ** Aztek Engineering provides enabling technologies for the telecommunications access network through custom hardware design, custom software design, and ready-to-use software components. Aztek Engineering is a leading provider of ETSI V5.1, V5.2, and Telcordia GR-303 software protocol stacks. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 14:21:48 -0500 From: John R Levine Subject: Pat Townson update I talked to Pat on the phone last week for the first time in quite a while. For several months, he was in jail in Robinson Illinois, in an odd prison full of aged and crippled inmates. The authorities decided about a month ago to let him out, and he's now on parole in a nursing home near Chicago. He sounded pretty good on the phone, the best I've heard him since his brain aneurysm over a year ago. Since he's not allowed to use a computer until his parole is over, he's working on a book about his experiences using a dedicated word processor. (It doesn't count as a computer, apparently.) He's sent me a paper copy of the first chapter which is quite interesting; I'll ask if he'll let me scan it and put it on the web. He'd appreciate letters to: Pat Townson Frankfort Terrace #E-10 40 North Smith St Frankfort IL 60423 Remember that he's on parole, don't send anything that could cause him more trouble, e.g., offers to sneak in a computer in violation of parole rules. Small contributions to his expenses would be appreciated as well. (He can now cash checks.) Regards, John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org Telecom Digest moderator pro tem - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 17:14:51 -0500 From: "Glen Luckjiff" Subject: V.32bis soft modem indemnification? Do I need indemnification for V.32bis for a soft modem. I'm implementing on a TI c5402 DSP with MESI's solution. What can I do to assure my management that we're not going to get in trouble? Thanks glen - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 18:23:33 -0500 From: "H. Peter Anvin" Subject: Re: National/International formatting of numbers Followup to: By author: Martin D Kealey In newsgroup: comp.dcom.telecom > > [sorry for the lost the attribution] > > > The "+61 (0)3 9876 4321" format which indicates that the zero is a > > within-country lead-in would be the best, if there were some more > > standard way of expressing it. > > I beg to differ; I think putting a bracketted part in the middle is > positively the worst option, for the simple reason that it's totally > ambiguous. > > I've seen both of these commonly in use: > > +44(0)181 xxx xxxx > +1(212)xxx-xxxx > > where the locals still have to know to ignore the country code on the > front, and everyone else has to guess whether they should ignore or > include the part in brackets. Some countries have area codes starting > with "0" (eg Russia, Italy) so even that's not a reliable guide. > The international standard is that the parenthesized part should only be used for domestic calls; thus the former of your two examples is correct and the latter is not. Unfortunately, as you point out, it is a format that is not widely recognized by the general public. > This seems to be common in a lot of countries, mine included, but writing > both together (or a hybrid) is interim measures which by now is past its > use-by date: international dialing has been unremarkable for twenty years > and commonplace for over ten, so it's about time that people were > encouraged to recognise their country code in the same way that they > recognise their area code. > > If this were done then it shouldn't be necessary to deviate from E.123 > format to cater to an international audience, as your national audience > will also understand it. Agreed. Writing only international format, i.e. in your examples above: +44 181 xxx xxxx +1 212 xxx xxxx ... seems to work in a lot of countries. In small countries, most people are already familiar with international calling, and in at least one large "country", the NANP, the international format is immediately recognizable, because it happens (coincidentally?) to be nearly identical to one of the two common ways to write domestic numbers (the two ways being (212) xxx-xxxx and 1-212-xxx-xxxx). -hpa - -- at work, in private! "Unix gives you enough rope to shoot yourself in the foot." http://www.zytor.com/~hpa/puzzle.txt - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 19:03:10 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: AT&T now billing HIGHER RATES to mobile/etc. codes in non-NANP country-codes "John R. Levine" wrote: > ... Long > distance carriers have no technical way to bill back surcharges, which > means that caller-pays cellular would be impossible to call from > outside the local area, just like 976 numbers are. Has anyone tried this, for example with US Qwest's Colorado caller-pays numbers? > If you follow the > Telecom digest, you know why there is no chance at all of putting > cellular into a separate numbering space, so I won't belabor that > here. The FCC has said it's unfair to force mobile users to change to a separate area code such as New York's 917. I don't think they've said you can't have a dedicated mobile area code if being in it is voluntary. This would be a great way to handle caller-pays billing, and I agree with Martin that we should catch up with the rest of the world by creating such a code. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Feb 2001 20:59:39 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: caller pays >The FCC has said it's unfair to force mobile users to change to a >separate area code such as New York's 917. I don't think they've said >you can't have a dedicated mobile area code if being in it is voluntary. Yes, they have. They've also said that starting in 2002 there will be local number portability between landline and mobile, so in areas infested with caller pays mobile, every single number, both landline and mobile could potentially be ported to a depth charge number. No thanks. >This would be a great way to handle caller-pays billing, and I agree >with Martin that we should catch up with the rest of the world by >creating such a code. We already have two codes for calls that cost extra, 500 and 900. Feel free to use them; this is exactly the sort of thing that 500 was intended for, services with some alleged extra value to the caller that cost extra but not as much extra as 900, and the 500 code is still nearly empty. If you think that you would rather not have a 500 or 900 phone number, you're starting to understand the problem with caller pays. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Go to: http://www.pcconsultant.com/ then click on NPA for Windows, which takes you to: http://www.pcconsultant.com/npawin.htm Go to the bottom of that page, and click on "Download Lat/Long to V&H conversion program". - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 01:17:26 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: caller pays >From 'John R. Levine': >>This would be a great way to handle caller-pays billing, and I agree >>with Martin that we should catch up with the rest of the world by >>creating such a code. > >We already have two codes for calls that cost extra, 500 and 900. >Feel free to use them; this is exactly the sort of thing that 500 was >intended for, services with some alleged extra value to the caller >that cost extra but not as much extra as 900, and the 500 code is >still nearly empty. If you think that you would rather not have a 500 >or 900 phone number, you're starting to understand the problem with >caller pays. I do recall 976 being a toll exchange in this area and perhaps some others, before NPA 900 came into wide use. I see no 976 numbers in use today. 900 numbers I see quite a bit. In my industry, a lot of software vendors use them for pay-per-incident tech support as an alternative to having an 800 number where people call and charge the call to a credit card. (It is interesting to note that many big software companies have both.) - -- Steve Sobol, BOFH, President 888.480.4NET 866.DSL.EXPRESS 216.619.2NET North Shore Technologies Corporation http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net JustTheNet/JustTheNet EXPRESS DSL (ISP Services) http://JustThe.net mailto:sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net Proud resident of Cleveland, OH - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #5 ****************************** Date: 17 Feb 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Telecom Digest Saturday, February 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 006 In this issue: An opportunity in Telecommunications Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Re: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? Is Phone Interference Phony? If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 10:31:24 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash A truck driver who was sending a cell-phone text message when he struck and killed a pedestrian in Southend, England, has been sentenced to five years in prison. http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/20010216/t000014072.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 12:14:29 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash >From 'Monty Solomon': >Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash > > A truck driver who was sending a cell-phone text message when he >struck and killed a pedestrian in Southend, England, has been >sentenced to five years in prison. Note that he was trying to send a text message from the phone, not just talking on it. Idiot. >http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/20010216/t000014072.html - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 15:59:02 -0500 From: "monty solomon" Subject: Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Feb. 16, 2001 PST Cellular phones aren't handguns. Yet Los Angeles attorney Earl Imhoff drew a parallel between the two when he suggested cell-phone manufacturers could be sued if the use of their products can be shown to have caused a plane to crash -- just as family members for victims of gun violence have sued handgun manufacturers. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,41276,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 15:59:56 -0500 From: "monty solomon" Subject: Is Phone Interference Phony? Is Phone Interference Phony? by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Feb. 15, 2001 PST If a passenger were to ask anyone in the aviation industry why mobile phone use is not permitted in flight, the likely response would be that cell phones "may interfere with the communication and navigation systems of the plane." In fact, most airlines issue such warnings before takeoff. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41273,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 16:01:19 -0500 From: "monty solomon" Subject: If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Feb. 15, 2001 PST The world is going mobile everywhere except in the air. A Saudi Arabian army captain received 70 lashes earlier this month for using his mobile phone during an airplane's takeoff. British oil worker Neil Whitehouse spent a year in jail for refusing to shut off his cell phone during a 1998 British Airways flight from Spain. http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,41177,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 16:02:24 -0500 From: "monty solomon" Subject: Few Options for Yakkin' Flyers Few Options for Yakkin' Flyers by Elisa Batista 2:00 a.m. Feb. 16, 2001 PST OAKLAND, California -- David Sprague appeared antsy. Sprague, a sales manager at a picture frame molding company, shifted uncomfortably in his seat in Oakland International Airport as he spoke animatedly into his cellular phone. After United Airlines cancelled two of his flights, Sprague found himself on a Friday morning looking for alternative flights and conducting business as usual -- on his cell phone. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41277,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:25:35 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Illinois desparately postponing NPA 224 opening On Thursday, the Illinois Commerce Commission delayed opening NPA 224 yet again. 224 is the code designated to overlay 847 serving the suburbs north and northwest of Chicago. The whole situation is rather odd. Apparently, four commissioners believed the Citizens Utility Board (state-created consumer entity) when it claimed AT&T was still hoarding 4 million unassigned lines. But then it acted on AT&T's suggestion to open nine new prefixes over the objections of the rest of the telephone industry. The nine unopened prefixes duplicated existing and designated area codes in Chicago and nearby: 847 312 815 708 224 219 630 and 668. Also, 809 was unassigned thanks to association with fraud. That's right, folks: We will now have 847 847-XXXX. So, the Ill.C.C. wimped out. If the state refuses to force the hoarded unassigned line numbers back into the pool, then we need the overlay now. (This only puts things off till summer.) Opening these prefixes was stupid, although I don't object to opening 809. Unfortunately, the Chicago Tribune report was biased against overlays, saying they are "wildly unpopular" because they "require 11-digit dialing". Of course, the many splits the Chicago area has seen were "wildly unpopular" too. It's possible that with good consumer education at the time, an overlay would have been seen as the lesser evil. And we know that overlays only require 10-digit dialing, not 11. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 20:27:28 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash On 16 Feb 2001 12:14:29 -0500, sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >>From 'Monty Solomon': >>Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash >> >> A truck driver who was sending a cell-phone text message when he >>struck and killed a pedestrian in Southend, England, has been >>sentenced to five years in prison. > >Note that he was trying to send a text message from the phone, not >just talking on it. Idiot. >... As opposed to the one in Maryland who got off after killing both parents in front of their children while talking on a cell phone? (They were stopped on the shoulder. The judge felt the law didn't allow him to rule that homicide.) I don't always agree with Monty, but he is no idiot. I don't know you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Feb 2001 21:01:15 -0500 From: colonel@monmouth.com (A deaf heart, a loose liver) Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude In <001f01c097d2$016fe2d0$a77937cf@paul25jszwyri9>, tad@aa.net wrote: > > kanchana@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: > > > Does anyone know how to convert AT&T Vertical and Horizontal (V and H) > > coordinate system to/from latitude and longitude system? > > Go to http://www.pcconsultant.com/ [. . .] This is useful only if you have a BASIC interpreter. The Telecom Digest archives do indeed have conversion programs. Search the index for "V&H". Among other things, you should be able to find my C program vh2ll.c, whose header comment includes a description of the mapping technique. (Apart from the comments, my C program is useful only if you have a C compiler! Maybe some day I'll re- write it in Perl.) - -- Col. G. L. Sicherman home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com work: sicherman@lucent.com web: - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:24:43 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 2/16/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800, ENUM and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ CONTENTS - - SPEAK NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE - - FEDERAL JUDGE MAKES A LOUSY eREFEREE - - FTC FILES SUIT AGAINST DOMAIN SCAM ____________________________________________________ _______________Please visit our sponsors.________________ Looking for the best 800 and long distance rates available today? 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #6 ****************************** Date: 18 Feb 2001 06:15:16 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #7 Telecom Digest Sunday, February 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 007 In this issue: Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 Re: Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? Re: If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Re: ancient history Re: Cellphone on airline problems ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Feb 2001 11:16:10 -0500 From: linley@megami.org (Bruce Linley) Subject: Re: Pay phones vanishing as cellphones take over In ye olden post Louis RAPHAEL spake... >This is not surprising, of course. What *is* surprising is that over >the last few years, Bell Canada has been "littering" new pay phones >all over Montreal - metro platforms, busy streets, etc. A few >CoCot-type phones have also appeared. Bell has also been replacing >older model payphones with new ones (I think it's called the >"Millenium" model) at an alarming rate. Odd. I recall an article where payphones in New York City were being replaced with older rotary phones to foil all the drug dealers from using pagers. >On the other hand (for those who read the article), a few public baths >can still be found, although very little attention still seems to be >paid to them. I have no trouble finding these. I call them motels. :) - -- Bruce James Robert Linley | +---+---+--_ | "Ocha tte nigai demo... hito no chi linley at megami dot org | | |NV | UT | wa atatakakute tottemo amai no" Programmer, Fortunet Inc. | \ CA \ |___ | "Tea is always bitter... but blood Las Vegas, Nevada, USA ---------> \*| AZ | is warm and sweet" - Miyu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 12:04:18 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 At 8:08 PM -0500 11/16/00, alt.impeach.bush@george.nu wrote: >------------------------------ > >Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:57:51 GMT >From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu >Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush > >For your newsgroups file: >alt.impeach.bush Shrub needs some pruning > >Charter: >No spam! > >Discussions, flames, and plans about impeaching Dubya Bush from any >government office anywhere. Violence, revolutionary behavior, civil >disobedience, criminal acts and conspiring to commit any of the >above are encouraged. > >Justification of Readership: >Do I have to point this out? alt.politics has quadrupled traffic in >the last two weeks because of this imbecile. I politely ask, why is this message appearing on the Telecomm Digest? In quadruplicate no less! I am hoping the cause is a simple goof up in the normally excellent editorial moderation this list enjoys. I dearly hope we are not going to have to endure such insulting, condescending diatribes on a regular basis! -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 12:04:19 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 At 6:15 AM -0500 2/17/01, monty@roscom.com wrote: >Cellular phones aren't handguns. > >Yet Los Angeles attorney Earl Imhoff drew a parallel between the two >when he suggested cell-phone manufacturers could be sued if the >use of their products can be shown to have caused a plane to crash >-- just as family members for victims of gun violence have sued >handgun manufacturers. Actually, most (if not all) of the silly product liability lawsuits against handgun manufacturers have been dismissed as abusive litigation. Tthe most recent dismissal was "with prejudice", meaning no appeal is possible. With either cell phones or guns, an essential liberty is at stake for all of us -- the liberty to decide for ourselves the level of risk we want to take in various activities. No activity is risk-free, but the government and some well-intentioned but ill-informed reactionaries believe that any reduction in risk justifies any restriction of our freedom. That philosophy is ultimately enslaving. -mel beckman - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 12:04:21 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 At 6:15 AM -0500 2/17/01, monty@roscom.com wrote: >Is Phone Interference Phony? >by Elisa Batista >2:00 a.m. Feb. 15, 2001 PST > >If a passenger were to ask anyone in the aviation industry why >mobile phone use is not permitted in flight, the likely response >would be that cell phones "may interfere with the communication and >navigation systems of the plane." As a US-licensed aircraft mechanic and pilot, I can tell you that this risk of cellphone interference is very real. While working on cockpit systems I have seen on many occasions a VOR/ILS receiver deviate, GPS receiver drop out of satellite synch, inter-pilot intercoms get squelched, and even fire warning systems go off. The cause-and-effect in these events was immediately obvious -- myself or someone else would be working on instrumentation on the ground, then pick up a cellphone to call somebody and immediately see the affect of the cellphone on avionics. I've reported these incidents to the FAA. I have spoken with many other technicians who've seen similar things, and worked with avionics manufacturers who have their own definitive test data showing the adverse affects of cellphones. I shudder to think what dozens of cellphone users on on a commercial flight could do to critical navigation systems, especially in IFR flight. On several flights I've run into people sureptitiously using their cellphones in flight. I always confront them, and threaten to call a flight attendant if they won't stop. So far everyone has stopped. In-flight radio phone systems have external antennas placed and tested to confirm that there is no interference with navigation systems. Hand-held cellphones are broadcasting willy-nilly directly into the wiring harnesses and equipment inside the aircraft. The idea that airlines only prevent cellphone use to force people to use the high-priced onboard phones is idiotic. If airlines were trying to gouge passengers for money, they'd just charge us to eat. -mel beckman - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 13:05:25 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2000 #128 In , Mel Beckman wrote: Those of you who post from the Digest could do us all a favor and replace the default subject (see above) by something more informative. It is my habit to skip articles such as the one I'm replying to, since there's enough stuff that I can tell from the subject is worth downloading already. Thanks / JBL - -- Nets: levin at bbn.com | /"\ or jbl at levin.mv.com | \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN pots: (617)873-3463 | X AGAINST HTML MAIL ARS: KD1ON | / \ AND POSTINGS -- and top posting too! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 13:09:47 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? On 16 Feb 2001 15:59:02 -0500, monty solomon wrote: > Can Cell Phones Crash Planes? > by Elisa Batista > 2:00 a.m. Feb. 16, 2001 PST > > Cellular phones aren't handguns. > > Yet Los Angeles attorney Earl Imhoff drew a parallel between the two > when he suggested cell-phone manufacturers could be sued if the use > of their products can be shown to have caused a plane to crash -- > just as family members for victims of gun violence have sued handgun > manufacturers. > > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,41276,00.html This piece is crap. I wrote a rebuttal at my site the other day. If the focus was actually the attorney, I didn't see it in the first 8 grafs... Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 13:10:58 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? On 16 Feb 2001 16:01:19 -0500, monty solomon wrote: > If We Can Fly, Why Can't We Talk? > by Elisa Batista > 2:00 a.m. Feb. 15, 2001 PST > > The world is going mobile everywhere except in the air. > > A Saudi Arabian army captain received 70 lashes earlier this month for > using his mobile phone during an airplane's takeoff. > > British oil worker Neil Whitehouse spent a year in jail for refusing > to shut off his cell phone during a 1998 British Airways flight from > Spain. Oops; apologies; didn't look closely enough. *This* was the piece that was poorly researched. Didn't realize this was a package. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 13:16:52 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude On 16 Feb 2001 21:01:15 -0500, A deaf heart, a loose liver wrote: > This is useful only if you have a BASIC interpreter. The Telecom > Digest archives do indeed have conversion programs. Search the > index for "V&H". Among other things, you should be able to find > my C program vh2ll.c, whose header comment includes a description > of the mapping technique. (Apart from the comments, my C program > is useful only if you have a C compiler! Maybe some day I'll re- > write it in Perl.) If it's small enough to understand, I might rewrite it in Python. I've been looking for something to use to learn the language, and that sounds like it might be the trick. A quick look says that no, the code *isn't* there. Any chance you could mail it to me? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 15:25:31 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: ancient history >I politely ask, why is this message appearing on the Telecomm Digest? In article you write: >At 8:08 PM -0500 11/16/00, alt.impeach.bush@george.nu wrote: >>------------------------------ >> >>Date: 17 Nov 2000 04:57:51 GMT >>From: alt.impeach.bush@george.nu >>Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.impeach.bush >> ... It was a software bug in my moderation setup, but since that particular digest was sent out in mid-November, don't you think it's kind of late to be complaining about it now? Regards, John Levine, postmaster@telecom-digest.org Telecom Digest moderator pro tem - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Feb 2001 23:36:47 -0500 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Cellphone on airline problems Mel Beckman contributed the following: ....... >I shudder to think what dozens of cellphone users on on a commercial >flight could do to critical navigation systems, especially in IFR >flight. On several flights I've run into people sureptitiously using >their cellphones in flight. I always confront them, and threaten to >call a flight attendant if they won't stop. So far everyone has >stopped. > >In-flight radio phone systems have external antennas placed and >tested to confirm that there is no interference with navigation >systems. Hand-held cellphones are broadcasting willy-nilly directly >into the wiring harnesses and equipment inside the aircraft. ....... But how many would-be users think that their little phone won't do any harm?, even if it doesn't how may don't have a clue about the accumulating interference that multiple use of these things would cause? The whole issue seems to be a "cause and effect" perception, people don't see planes falling out of the sky because of cellphone use so some of them believe it's ok to use them - no matter what warnings they are given. - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #7 ****************************** Date: 19 Feb 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #8 Telecom Digest Monday, February 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 008 In this issue: 70's flying and MMTS phones Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Re: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Cell phones in flight don't work? Local service Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: CellPhone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Re: ancient history Re: TOPS Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Local service Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: National/International formatting of numbers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Feb 2001 09:52:53 -0500 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: 70's flying and MMTS phones mel@becknet.com (Mel Beckman) wrote >myself or >someone else would be working on instrumentation on the ground, then >pick up a cellphone to call somebody and immediately see the affect >of the cellphone on avionics. There is actually a good reason not to use cell phones on airplanes in flight that has nothing to do with the instrumentation. Cell phones negotiate with the closest available tower. Using a cell phone in flight causes it to illuminate perhaps dozens of towers, rendering that frequency unavailable in that cell. Back in the old days of Manual Mobile Telephone Service where there were a total of 11 channels for all of one city, those of us with portable phones were only allowed to use them from the air in the event of an emergency. There was a case in the 1970's when a fellow had a radio failure while on approach to YTZ (Toronto Island Airport) and called the tower on the phone to get his clearance to land rather than fly over the tower and hope they give him the green light. It was the big story going around the FBO for a couple of weeks. - -- Incontinence Hotline, can you hold please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 10:03:03 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Mel Beckman writes: > >The idea that airlines only prevent cellphone use to force people to >use the high-priced onboard phones is idiotic. If airlines were >trying to gouge passengers for money, they'd just charge us to eat. > There's another angle totaly unrelated to the airline industry or the in-flight phone operators... the cell phone companies themselves might not want their customers using their service from the air. What's the footprint of a signal from an aircraft five miles in the air? How many cells are in that footprint sharing the same frequency that the phone might be using? The whole cellular concept of reusing the same frequencies a few cells over is thus destroyed and reduces the capacity of the entire system. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 10:33:27 -0500 From: "Adam H. Kerman" Subject: Re: Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash John McHarry wrote: >sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >>'Monty Solomon' wrote: >>>Cell Phone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash >>> A truck driver who was sending a cell-phone text message when he >>>struck and killed a pedestrian in Southend, England, has been >>>sentenced to five years in prison. >>Note that he was trying to send a text message from the phone, not >>just talking on it. Idiot. >As opposed to the one in Maryland who got off after killing both >parents in front of their children while talking on a cell phone? >(They were stopped on the shoulder. The judge felt the law didn't >allow him to rule that homicide.) >I don't always agree with Monty, but he is no idiot. I don't know you. For heaven's sake! Why would Steve disparage Monty, who merely summarized the story? I'm sure that comment referred to the murderer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 12:03:28 -0500 From: Roy Subject: Cell phones in flight don't work? The other day I flew in a private plane at 16,000 ft altitude and 220 MPH. One of the others on board tried to make a cell phone call and it didn't work. The phone indicated weak signal and all attempts failed to go through. We suspected two problems: 1) The antennas on most cell phone sites have directional antennas that avoid wasting signal into the air and concentrate it horizontally. 2) We were changing cells so fast that the system couldn't handle it. I lean towards the first In any case, it kinda makes any discussion of use of a cell phone on a commercial airliners moot. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 12:52:39 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Local service I am moving my office to a new location, and I don't want Ameritech service. How can I find out who provides local business service (2 lines) in the Cleveland, Ohio area? I have contacted CoreCom, WorldCom, XO (Nextlink) and Teligent which are listed in the front of the phone book. John - -- If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 12:53:19 -0500 From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Roy wrote: > The other day I flew in a private plane at 16,000 ft altitude and 220 MPH. > One of the others on board tried to make a cell phone call and it didn't > work. The phone indicated weak signal and all attempts failed to go > through. You do realize, of course, that this person was violating FCC regulations by doing so? > 2) We were changing cells so fast that the system couldn't handle it. That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 16:31:30 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >>>>> "RoyD" == Roy Smith writes: RoyD> That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been RoyD> talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited RoyD> resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't RoyD> designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason RoyD> use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic devices brought onboard. If I'm flying in a place where positive radio contact is not required (generally anywhere outside of the terminal areas and below 18000 feet) and I'm not on an instrument plan (flying VFR then), I don't see any rules that require me to even look at any radio instruments, let alone ensure that they're not being interfered with by an onboard device. The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically rule them out. - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 16:47:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones February 18, 2001 Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones By FRANCIS X. CLINES WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 - Mardy Burns learned the blessings of the cell phone when a stranger called for emergency help from the roadside in Kansas where her 18-year-old daughter, Sara, was in a car wreck. But Mrs. Burns soon learned the curse of the cell phone, too. She said that investigators found that the driver of the wrecked car, who survived, had been distracted while on his phone and crashed, killing Sara and her boyfriend. The 17-year-old driver was not charged with any violation in the single-car accident. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/02/18/technology/18CELL.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 16:56:34 -0500 From: Roy Smith Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe > it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline > under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic > devices brought onboard. It is indeed up to some combination of the pilot/operator/airline to determine the safety of portable electronics and prevent their use if determined to be usafe. The applicable reference would be 14 CFR 91.21, but... The issue with cell phones in airplanes is not that they are hazardous to the aircraft's instruments (although that possibility certainly exists), but that, as I stated earlier, their use from altitude is detrimental to the cell system due to the greater range afforded. This is an FCC rule, not an FAA one, namely 47 CFR 22.295: Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones. Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes, balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular telephone installed in any aircraft: ``The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this rule could result in suspension of service and/or a fine. The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is on the ground is subject to FAA regulations.'' - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 17:01:17 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >>>>>> "RoyD" == Roy Smith writes: > >RoyD> That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been >RoyD> talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited >RoyD> resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't >RoyD> designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason >RoyD> use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. > >Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe >it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline >under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic >devices brought onboard. Not FAA law, Randal, since FAA doesn't give a rat's tail about radio waves as long as they are not affected. It is against FCC rules and regs to use a cellphone aloft, even in a hot air balloon. Section 22.925 of 47 CFR part 22 - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 17:13:04 -0500 From: Phil Earnhardt Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 18 Feb 2001 16:31:30 -0500, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: >The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when >boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or >motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically >rule them out. Why is it that electronic watches don't have to be turned off? Is there any reason what watches are less noisy than other devices? >Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 - --phil - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 17:28:54 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: CellPhone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash I have received two emails pointing out that the message I replied to was ambiguous and that the "idiot" referred to was probably the truck driver. Upon rereading the message, I think that is probably the better interpretation. I apologize to Steve Sobol and to the group. I will endeaver to be more careful in the future. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 19:14:46 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: ancient history >>>At 9:44 AM -0500 2/18/01, John Levine wrote: >> You've got more than one bug in your robo moderator. I posted that complaint >>*IN* November! For >>some strange reason, your bot burped it up just now, probably >>because I responded >>to an ACK request >>for a couple of other postings. The classic programmer's off-by-one error! > >Ah, it holds on to messages forever until the sender acks them. I'll >stick in a rule to throw them away after a week or two. > >John, > > It's worse than that -- I never got the ACK request until a day >ago. I thought it was the ACK for my most recent postings. I noticed >that there was one more ACK than posting, but didn't (and couldn't) >make the connection between the long-ago-sent message. > > -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Feb 2001 21:34:12 -0500 From: "Thomas Gronke" Subject: Re: TOPS If you're getting gray hair, you may be referring to Digital Equipment Corp's TOPS operating system (see http://www.opost.com/dlm/tenex/hbook.html). There was also a TOPS network operating system that was used on Macintoshes up through the early 1990's and was one of the first heterogeneous network operating systems that allowed Mac's, PC's and minicomputers to act as peers. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 00:10:19 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Roy Smith writes: >This is an FCC rule, >not an FAA one, namely 47 CFR 22.295: Prohibition on airborne operation of >cellular telephones. O.k, you quoted a lot, but you neglected to quote what radio devices this covers. How 'bout doing that for us? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 00:10:18 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Roy Smith writes: >Roy wrote: >> The other day I flew in a private plane at 16,000 ft altitude and 220 MPH. >> One of the others on board tried to make a cell phone call and it didn't >> work. The phone indicated weak signal and all attempts failed to go >> through. >You do realize, of course, that this person was violating FCC regulations >by doing so? Maybe. Maybe not. He said it was a "cell phone" not an "FCC Cellular Telephone". >> 2) We were changing cells so fast that the system couldn't handle it. PCS has been reported to be unusable above 2,000 feet AGL. As I recall, some/most of the digital systems have limits on distance and speed that would make them unusable when flying like this even if you were only communicating with one cell. I'm hoping to try Nextel for airborne use. I'm also interested in Mobitex for data. Anyone have experience with either? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 00:28:04 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? In <96q7pu$c1d$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote: }Roy Smith writes: } }>This is an FCC rule, }>not an FAA one, namely 47 CFR 22.295: Prohibition on airborne operation of }>cellular telephones. } }O.k, you quoted a lot, but you neglected to quote }what radio devices this covers. How 'bout doing }that for us? CELLULAR TELEPHONES. I thought that was perfectly clear in the title of the regulation, "Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones". - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 00:40:05 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Local service >From 'Seymour Dupa': >How can I find out who provides local business service (2 lines) in the >Cleveland, Ohio area? I have contacted CoreCom, WorldCom, XO (Nextlink) >and Teligent which are listed in the front of the phone book. I use XO. XO, Mpower (a CLEC whose SDSL products I sell), and ICG Communications are all facilities-based. CoreComm is an Ameritech reseller, but I use them at home and their customer service people are pretty cool. I've not had trouble with them yet. I use XO at the office, a no-brainer since their switches are located on the second and fifth floors of my office building. (Being "on-net", as they call it, means I can get orders for new stuff completed quickly!:) Where are you moving? Everyone has switches downtown, but not everyone can service outlying areas. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 01:27:02 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: > >>You do realize, of course, that this person was violating FCC regulations >>by doing so? > >Maybe. Maybe not. He said it was a "cell phone" >not an "FCC Cellular Telephone". If it transmits radio waves and is used in the US, it is under FCC control. [in response to your "FCC" branded cellular phone.] PCS uses cells too, and as such, the same frequency hogging for which the rule exists, would occur. Satelite phones would be a different story though. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 03:42:37 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: National/International formatting of numbers On 15 Feb 2001 18:23:33 -0500, "H. Peter Anvin" wrote: >The international standard is that the parenthesized part should only >be used for domestic calls. Which standard, and issued by which standards body? Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #8 ****************************** Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:18:41 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #9 Telecom Digest Monday, February 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 009 In this issue: UMTS in Telecommunication Re: Information on GR-303 Needed Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Telecom Update (Canada) #271, February 19, 2001 REVIEW: "Building Internet Firewalls", Elizabeth D. Zwicky/Simon Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones Re: Old document sought - Technical Reference 62310 Re: Cellphone on airline problems Re: CellPhone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Feb 2001 06:54:04 -0500 From: "Jacob Thakadu" Subject: UMTS in Telecommunication Can anyone explained to me what UMTS is or refer me sites where I can learn about it? Thanks, Jacob - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 08:01:19 -0500 From: Mike Blake-Knox Subject: Re: Information on GR-303 Needed I'm curious to know if you've seen a GR-303 (or for that matter TR-8) as a means of providing a digital interface to CPE? This would give the CPE access to line side switch features without using an external channel bank. I've seen a number of customers with IVR applications that transfer calls using an external channel bank in the CO. Using TR-8/GR-303 would eliminate the need for the channel bank. Mike Blake-Knox SimpliCTI Software Solutions (919) 858-8898 x103 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 08:43:16 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Joel B Levin writes: >}>This is an FCC rule, >}>not an FAA one, namely 47 CFR 22.295: Prohibition on airborne operation of >}>cellular telephones. >} >}O.k, you quoted a lot, but you neglected to quote >}what radio devices this covers. How 'bout doing >}that for us? >CELLULAR TELEPHONES. I thought that was perfectly clear in the title of the >regulation, "Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones". See? That's the problem. You apparently didn't read the FCC regs that you quoted and just blindly applied them. Do we need to do a survey here to find out how many people use "cell phones" that aren't classified by the FCC as "cellular telephones"? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 08:47:02 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) writes: >laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >> >>>You do realize, of course, that this person was violating FCC regulations >>>by doing so? >> >>Maybe. Maybe not. He said it was a "cell phone" >>not an "FCC Cellular Telephone". >If it transmits radio waves and is used in the US, it is under FCC >control. [in response to your "FCC" branded cellular phone.] Sure, but the FCC does not prohibit airborne use of anything transmitting radio waves. >PCS uses cells too, and as such, the same frequency hogging for >which the rule exists, would occur. The same laws of physics apply, but the same laws of the FCC don't. >Satelite phones would be a different story though. Yup, along with a host of other technologies that use cellular radio technology to deliver telephone service. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 09:07:16 -0500 From: "Brian Vita" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? > > Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe > it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline > under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic > devices brought onboard. > > If I'm flying in a place where positive radio contact is not required > (generally anywhere outside of the terminal areas and below 18000 > feet) and I'm not on an instrument plan (flying VFR then), I don't see > any rules that require me to even look at any radio instruments, let > alone ensure that they're not being interfered with by an onboard > device. > > The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when > boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or > motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically > rule them out. Aide from being a jackass and tying up channels on every tower within a 20 mile radius thus seriously crippling the system for ground based users, you are correct about the FAA laws. Under part 91 & part 121 you, as pilot in command, are responsible. Those parts assume that you are dealing with fewer passengers and/or smaller planes. Part 135 is geared towards air carriers that would have far less control over the passengers and what they are actually doing while you are flying the plane. At several of the aviation based conventions that I have been to I have seen a cellular system that is designed and allowed by both the FAA and FCC. It uses standard cellular frequencies but requires a permanently mounted phone and antenna that polarizes the signal. The company has contracted with cellular carriers nationwide to place a polarized antenna on one of their towers every 200 miles or so. The altitude gives you the larger footprint so they need fewer towers. The phone is multimode and switches back to the conventional polarization when used on the ground. Please do those of us who depend our cell phones on the ground a favor and turn yours off. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. Peabody, MA 01960-5626 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 09:07:15 -0500 From: "Brian Vita" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? > > Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe > it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline > under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic > devices brought onboard. > > If I'm flying in a place where positive radio contact is not required > (generally anywhere outside of the terminal areas and below 18000 > feet) and I'm not on an instrument plan (flying VFR then), I don't see > any rules that require me to even look at any radio instruments, let > alone ensure that they're not being interfered with by an onboard > device. > > The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when > boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or > motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically > rule them out. Aide from being a jackass and tying up channels on every tower within a 20 mile radius thus seriously crippling the system for ground based users, you are correct about the FAA laws. Under part 91 & part 121 you, as pilot in command, are responsible. Those parts assume that you are dealing with fewer passengers and/or smaller planes. Part 135 is geared towards air carriers that would have far less control over the passengers and what they are actually doing while you are flying the plane. At several of the aviation based conventions that I have been to I have seen a cellular system that is designed and allowed by both the FAA and FCC. It uses standard cellular frequencies but requires a permanently mounted phone and antenna that polarizes the signal. The company has contracted with cellular carriers nationwide to place a polarized antenna on one of their towers every 200 miles or so. The altitude gives you the larger footprint so they need fewer towers. The phone is multimode and switches back to the conventional polarization when used on the ground. Please do those of us who depend our cell phones on the ground a favor and turn yours off. Brian T. Vita, President Cinema Service & Supply, Inc. 75 Walnut St. Peabody, MA 01960-5626 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 09:33:59 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >At several of the aviation based conventions that I have been to I have seen >a cellular system that is designed and allowed by both the FAA and FCC. It >uses standard cellular frequencies but requires a permanently mounted phone >and antenna that polarizes the signal. Yup, that's Aircell, www.aircell.com. > The phone is multimode and switches back to the conventional > polarization when used on the ground. Well, one model is. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 10:34:02 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #271, February 19, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 271: February 19, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Nortel Shares Plunge 33% ** Telus to Build Out Quebec Net ** Churn Up, Losses Deepen at Rogers Wireless ** Delphi Escapes Cannect Woes ** Bell Mobility Adds Business Data Apps ** MTS Launches Wireless Palm ** Bell Managers Offered Buyout ** Three Wireless Carriers Raise Rates ** Microcell Subscribers Up 58% ** Ottawa Announces Policy for Child "Cyber-Safety" ** CRTC Raps LD Competitors ** Matthews Completes Mitel Purchase ** Star Choice Awarded Disputed Satellite Capacity ** Bell Offers High-Speed Video Transport ** Look Wins New Subscribers ** Frost & Sullivan Expands to Canada ** 724 Chairman Funds New University Lab ** EmpowerTel Ends Operations in Ottawa ** Subscriber Bonus Offers Practical Advice ============================================================ NORTEL SHARES PLUNGE 33%: On February 15, Nortel Networks said it now expects revenues and earnings per share to grow 15% and 10% respectively in 2001, about half its previous estimates. Job cuts this year will total 10,000, not 4,000. The day following the announcement, the price of Nortel shares dropped 33%. TELUS TO BUILD OUT QUEBEC NET: Telus plans to spend $200 million to expand QuebecTel's fibre net by 30,000 fibre-km a year, in order to reach 80% of the Quebec business market by 2003. ** Telus reports fourth-quarter revenue of $1.8 billion, 18% more than last year. Newly acquired Clearnet and QuebecTel added about $200 million to revenue; interest payments tripled, to $142 million. Net loss: $27.4 million, compared to a $201 million profit last year. CHURN UP, LOSSES DEEPEN AT ROGERS WIRELESS: Rogers AT&T Wireless added a net 146,600 cellular customers in the fourth quarter. Revenue was $410 Million, 7.7% more than last year; monthly disconnects also rose, to 2.76%. The net loss increased to $58.4 million from $8.1 million (exclusive of a one-time tax credit). DELPHI ESCAPES CANNECT WOES: Equipment dealer Delphi Solutions, purchased in October by Cannect Communications, now in receivership, says it is not directly affected and is carrying on business normally. BELL MOBILITY ADDS BUSINESS DATA APPS: Bell Mobility now offers wireless data applications from Lotus (Mobile Notes) and Novell (GroupWise Wireless), which give Mobility users access to corporate e-mail and personal information resources. Bell says it can now provide wireless e-mail to almost 90% of business e-mail users. ** Bell has created Bell Mobility Investments with $30 million to invest in wireless data developers. MTS LAUNCHES WIRELESS PALM: Manitoba Telecom now offers Palm and Handspring Visor PDA users wireless access to e-mail and Web sites through its Zero Gravity service, which runs over MTS's CDPD wireless data network. Users pay $300 for the startup kit plus $49.95 a month. (Telus announced a similar service in December. See Telecom Update #263) BELL MANAGERS OFFERED BUYOUT: According to the National Post, Bell Canada has offered early retirement buyouts to about 13,000 managers, and expects several hundred to accept. Bell anticipates a net growth of 500 in its work force this year. THREE WIRELESS CARRIERS RAISE RATES: Telus Mobility, Bell Mobility, and Rogers Wireless have passed most of the new tax on telecom revenues on to customers by adding $2, $2, and $2.25, respectively, to their customers' monthly bills. (See Telecom Update #261) MICROCELL SUBSCRIBERS UP 58%: Microcell's customer base grew 58% in 2000 to reach 922,527 at year-end. Revenue also rose 58%, to $429 Million. Monthly disconnects averaged 2.2%; the EBITDA loss was cut to $112 million from $163 million. ** Microcell has created a new unit, Microcell PCS, to manage its Connexions and Solutions subsidiaries. OTTAWA ANNOUNCES POLICY FOR CHILD "CYBER-SAFETY": The Federal Government has published a policy to protect children against "illegal and offensive Internet content." http://www.connect.gc.ca/cyberwise CRTC RAPS LD COMPETITORS: Last year, Telus and the Bell Alliance telcos charged that Call-Net and AT&T Canada were avoiding contribution payments by moving Direct Access Line traffic to affiliates (see Telecom Update #238). In Order 2001-145, the Commission says that the competitors "abided by the letter ... [but not] the Commission's intent." However, since the contribution rules have now changed, the CRTC declined to order any back payments. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-145.htm MATTHEWS COMPLETES MITEL PURCHASE: Terry Matthews has completed his purchase of Mitel's Communications Systems Business and launched the new company as Mitel Networks. Mitel Semiconductors will soon adopt a new name. (See Telecom Update #263) STAR CHOICE AWARDED DISPUTED SATELLITE CAPACITY: CRTC Order 2001-133 instructs Telesat to restore to Star Choice transponder capacity that Star Choice had bought on the Anik F1 satellite; Telesat wanted to "claw back" this capacity for other customers. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-133.htm ** Telesat Canada is acquiring 100% ownership of Infosat Communications. Both are BCE subsidiaries. BELL OFFERS HIGH-SPEED VIDEO TRANSPORT: Bell Canada has launched a new service, Digital Video, which transports uncompressed video between six Canadian and four U.S. cities at up to 270 Mbps. LOOK WINS NEW SUBSCRIBERS: Look Communications expanded its customer base during the fourth quarter to 293,845, a 6.5% increase. FROST & SULLIVAN EXPANDS TO CANADA: U.S. technology market research firm Frost & Sullivan has opened the first Canadian branch of its communication and IT division in Toronto. 724 CHAIRMAN FUNDS NEW UNIVERSITY LAB: Greg Wolfond, Chairman of 724 Solutions, has given $3 million to the University of Toronto to fund a new laboratory for wireless information technology. EMPOWERTEL ENDS OPERATIONS IN OTTAWA: California-based EmpowerTel, a VoIP developer, has laid off all 56 members of its Ottawa staff, following a decision not to bring its product to market. 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Zwicky/Simon BKBUINFI.RVW 20010105 "Building Internet Firewalls", Elizabeth D. Zwicky/Simon Cooper/D. Brent Chapman, 2000, 1-56592-871-7, U$44.95/C$65.95 %A Elizabeth Zwicky %A Simon Cooper %A D. Brent Chapman %C 103 Morris Street, Suite A, Sebastopol, CA 95472 %D 2000 %G 1-56592-871-7 %I O'Reilly & Associates, Inc. %O U$44.95/C$65.95 707-829-0515 fax: 707-829-0104 nuts@ora.com %P 869 p. %T "Building Internet Firewalls, Second Edition" Cheswick and Bellovin's "Firewalls and Internet Security" (cf. BKFRINSC.RVW) has been, and probably will continue to be, seen as the classic reference with the seriously technical crowd. Chapman and Zwicky, however, created the first reference for the more normal run of system administrators: those whose lives do not revolve around hacking the UNIX kernel. This expanded edition fulfills the same task, and maintains the same reasonable stance. It is refreshing, for example, to find a work that, even if it doesn't know much about viruses, admits that firewalls can do very little to protect against them. There is now a more general and introductory part one, discussing the basic concepts before getting deeply into technical details. Three chapters look at a rationale for firewall usage, Internet services and requirements, and universal security strategies. Part two (part one in the original edition) is an introduction to firewall technology and structure. It could easily stand as a separate book, itself, clearly explaining the operation of, and reasoning behind, functions that other firewall books merely mention. More, it is a very down-to-earth and practical guide to evaluating security needs and planning for security systems and practices. The writing is completely clear, and the explanations first-rate. Two chapters look at the packet structures of Internet protocols and basic firewall technologies. Chapter six, on firewall architectures, is a perfect introduction for the manager who, while not having a technical background, must lead or administer a security project, and is followed by a short but useful outline for a design process. The detailed chapter on packet filtering is the longest in the book, but there is also solid coverage of proxy systems and bastion hosts. The section concludes with valuable particulars of tools for securing UNIX (and Linux) and Windows (NT and 2000) systems. Part three reviews various Internet services, the reasons for having them, risks associated with them, and details that can be used to secure them. There is an introduction to the subject, and then coverage of intermediary protocols, the World Wide Web, email and news, file and print transfer and sharing, remote access, and real time conferencing systems. Each chapter also deals with related issues and technologies, such as the various specific mail protocols and active content for Web pages. As well, the topics of naming and directory services, authentication, administrative services, and databases and games are examined. Two sample firewall configurations, using the previous material, close off the division. Part four provides quick but decent guidance on general security issues. There is a look at security policies, firewall maintenance, and responding to security incidents. The appendices are useful, outlining resourcs for further information, tools, and a brief but reliable explanation of cryptography. The resource list, unlike the usual table of titles and URLs, contains quality works, and is annotated. This was the first book to truly explain, to the non-specialist, the various factors and functions involved in firewall choice and construction. I still have not found another of similar quality. This new edition is not just an update, but a valuable extension and expansion. For those building their own and for those evaluating vendor proposals, this book is a must. copyright Robert M. Slade, 1995, 2001 BKBUINFI.RVW 20010105 ====================== (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer) rslade@vcn.bc.ca rslade@sprint.ca slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com They know enough who know how to learn. - Henry Adams http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev or http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:00:53 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'Kyler Laird': >>CELLULAR TELEPHONES. I thought that was perfectly clear in the title of the >>regulation, "Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones". > >See? That's the problem. You apparently didn't read >the FCC regs that you quoted and just blindly applied >them. > >Do we need to do a survey here to find out how many >people use "cell phones" that aren't classified by >the FCC as "cellular telephones"? *blink* Are you trolling, or what? Jeez. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:02:42 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Phil Earnhardt wrote: "Why is it that electronic watches don't have to be turned off? Is there any reason what watches are less noisy than other devices?" Yes, there is -- they use so little power, and their tiny circuit boards don't have much on them to act as an antenna. Also, their clock frequencies are usually a lot lower (commonly 32.768 kHz) than most other portable digital devices. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:15 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Randal L. Schwartz" wrote: > >>>>> "RoyD" == Roy Smith writes: > > RoyD> That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been > RoyD> talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited > RoyD> resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't > RoyD> designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason > RoyD> use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. > > Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe > it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline > under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic > devices brought onboard. The FCC rule in question is FCC Rule 22.925: "Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes, balloons, or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must be turned off." But the FCC can only regulate the people it licenses -- manufacturers, technicians, station operators -- and illegal operation of licensed equipment. It can't regulate the general public or operation of unlicensed equipment. The average person doesn't need a license to use a cell phone, so the FCC can't dictate how you use it. An aircraft owner, however, _does_ need a station license to operate the onboard radios, and thus the FCC can regulate the heck out of him. So if someone uses a cellphone against FAA regs, it's not the non-pilot user that is prosecuted, but the licensed entity (in this case, the aircraft owner/operator, which FAA regulations extend to mean the the pilot). The FAA's rule is more general. Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) 91.21 prohibits the operation of portable electronic devices in an aircraft while the aircraft is being operated under Instrument Flight Rules (IFR), which covers all air-carrier flights. A cell phone is an electronic device. There are specific exceptions to the rule: the prohibition does not apply to portable voice recorders, hearing aids, heart pacemakers, and electric shavers. There is also an operator-discretion exception for that lets the operator of the aircraft permit any device to be operated if the operator has determined a particular device will not cause interference with the navigation or communication system of the aircraft. This is why laptops are permitted -- because the airlines decided to allow them. > > > If I'm flying in a place where positive radio contact is not required > (generally anywhere outside of the terminal areas and below 18000 > feet) and I'm not on an instrument plan (flying VFR then), I don't see > any rules that require me to even look at any radio instruments, let > alone ensure that they're not being interfered with by an onboard > device. Unless you happen to have an FCC-licensed radio on board (likely), in which case the FCC can hold you responsible for the actions of your passengers in violating FCC rules (FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft."). > > > The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when > boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or > motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically > rule them out. > There doesn't have to be ANY government regulation for an airline or pilot to ban anything they want. An airline could ban green t-shirts and sun glasses, if they please. They might lose market share, but they're entitled to enforce any restrictions they like -- passengers have very few rights on an operating aircraft. The pilot in command (PIC) can even make up new restrictions on the spot. "No swearing at my flight attendant, or I'll ask you to step outside." -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:16 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Phil Earnhardt wrote: > On 18 Feb 2001 16:31:30 -0500, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. > Schwartz) wrote: > > >The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when > >boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or > >motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically > >rule them out. > > Why is it that electronic watches don't have to be turned off? Is > there any reason what watches are less noisy than other devices? Only if the watch contains a radio transmitter . There actually are cellphone watches now, so this has become an issue. However, a pilot is free to prohibit even electronic watches if he wants. The FAA rules prohibit all electronic devices with a few stated exceptions. That anything else is permitted is a result of the pilot's or airline's largesse -- they have discretion to make exceptions where they have determined that safety won't be affected. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:18 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones Monty Solomon wrote: > February 18, 2001 > > Deaths Spur Laws Against Drivers on Cell Phones > > By FRANCIS X. CLINES > > WASHINGTON, Feb. 17 - Mardy Burns learned the blessings of the cell > phone when a stranger called for emergency help from the roadside in > Kansas where her 18-year-old daughter, Sara, was in a car wreck. > > But Mrs. Burns soon learned the curse of the cell phone, too. She > said that investigators found that the driver of the wrecked car, who > survived, had been distracted while on his phone and crashed, killing > Sara and her boyfriend. The 17-year-old driver was not charged with > any violation in the single-car accident. I have no doubt that someone *could* be distracted from driving when using a cellphone, but I look with jaundiced eye on the idea that the authorities have "found" a day after the accident that the cellphone was the cause. More likely the police told a reporter that a cellphone "could have" caused the accident, and the reporter slanted the story to give this fact unwarranted importance. I've noticed a severe tendency on the part of the press to try and turn any cellphone factor into a defacto cause in auto accidents. Ironically, all the reporters I know constantly talk on their phones while driving. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:19 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Old document sought - Technical Reference 62310 "Kimberlin, Don" wrote: > I could make good use of a read of an old Bell System Technical Reference > 62310. It's a descriptor of the first DDS. > > Searches of Web resources produce several documents that refer to TR 62310, > but frustratingly, no place (not even the US Library of Congress or numerous > universities) seem to have it in catalog, much less available on line. > > Is there a Good Samaritan of Cyberspace out there who might have a copy on a > server or who would scan a paper copy to make it available? TIA! > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. You might try one of the many "out of print" services online (I happen to like alibris.com, but there are lots of these -- query several and take the best price). I've gotten quite a few Bell System documents this way, at astounding prices. For instance, I got a pristine copy of the 1982 edition "Engineering and Operations in the Bell System" -- a collector's item! -- for only $28. This last edition of that legendary tome is one of the few Bell documents that explains divestiture from their point of view. -mel P.S. I hate to post a negative comment about an online store, but I've found that Amazon's out-of-print service is both unreliable and unreasonably priced. They've consistently been two to three times higher than other prices I've found for the same book, and so far they're renegged on every out-of-print order, ultimately saying they couldn't get the book after all. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:21 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Cellphone on airline problems David Clayton wrote: > Mel Beckman contributed the following: > ....... > >I shudder to think what dozens of cellphone users on on a commercial > >flight could do to critical navigation systems, especially in IFR > >flight. On several flights I've run into people sureptitiously using > >their cellphones in flight. I always confront them, and threaten to > >call a flight attendant if they won't stop. So far everyone has > >stopped. > > > >In-flight radio phone systems have external antennas placed and > >tested to confirm that there is no interference with navigation > >systems. Hand-held cellphones are broadcasting willy-nilly directly > >into the wiring harnesses and equipment inside the aircraft. > ....... > But how many would-be users think that their little phone won't do any > harm?, even if it doesn't how may don't have a clue about the > accumulating interference that multiple use of these things would cause? > > The whole issue seems to be a "cause and effect" perception, people > don't see planes falling out of the sky because of cellphone use so some > of them believe it's ok to use them - no matter what warnings they are > given. That's why there's a rule. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:22 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: CellPhone User Gets Prison in Fatal Crash John McHarry wrote: > I have received two emails pointing out that the message I replied to > was ambiguous and that the "idiot" referred to was probably the truck > driver. > > Upon rereading the message, I think that is probably the better > interpretation. I apologize to Steve Sobol and to the group. I will > endeaver to be more careful in the future. John, Thanks for that clarification. At least now we know you're not an idiot either! -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 12:31:24 -0500 From: melbeckman Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #6 Mike Maxfield wrote: > Mel Beckman writes: > > > >The idea that airlines only prevent cellphone use to force people to > >use the high-priced onboard phones is idiotic. If airlines were > >trying to gouge passengers for money, they'd just charge us to eat. > > > > There's another angle totaly unrelated to the airline industry or > the in-flight phone operators... the cell phone companies themselves > might not want their customers using their service from the air. What's > the footprint of a signal from an aircraft five miles in the air? How > many cells are in that footprint sharing the same frequency that the > phone might be using? The whole cellular concept of reusing the same > frequencies a few cells over is thus destroyed and reduces the capacity > of the entire system. Right. We said all that already. But that's not the airline's concern. They are only concerned with the safety issue. The airline wouldn't want you shooting a laser out the window, either, but there's no rule against it. It's not their job. Their job is air safety. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:11:47 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? melbeckman writes: >Phil Earnhardt wrote: > >> >> Why is it that electronic watches don't have to be turned off? Is >> there any reason what watches are less noisy than other devices? > >Only if the watch contains a radio transmitter . Totally wrong. An electronic watch does contain circuitry which may be classified as a transmitter, but lacking the design for intentionally radiating the oscilator signal, it is classified by the FCC as an "Unintentional Radiator" and falls into the FCC realm. For current information check 47 CFR parts 2 & 15, but to show that such devices fall under FCC authority, I submit the following to you: according to an FCC bulletin (FO-8) dated September 1987, dealing with the importation of "RF Devices", specifically exempted from a list of RF devices not needing FCC Form 740 filing for importation are: 1) digital watches/clocks 2) Electronic (musical) greeting cards 3) battery powered handheld calculators 4) battery powered handheld electronic games The likely reason for their exemption is that due to their nature, those devices lack by reasonable design, any significant mass which would serve as an antenna to reradiate the signal created by the device's local oscilator. You can bet though, that if you created a device which fit into the above exemption but with an "antenna" configured to reradiate the local oscilator signal, the FCC would have a lot to say to you. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:18:38 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? melbeckman writes: > >But the FCC can only regulate the people it licenses -- manufacturers, >technicians, station operators -- and illegal operation of licensed equipment. And although the average John Doe may be unaware, his portable cellular/PCS device is a piece of licensed equipment. >It can't regulate the general public or operation of unlicensed equipment. The >average person doesn't need a license to use a cell phone, so the FCC can't >dictate how you use it. You assume that is the case, only because you as the user don't see the license, but it is licensed and the FCC can and does regulate how the general public operates the piece of equipment. Believe it or not, the FCC even regulates the operation of Part 15 devices (unlicensed) of which your cell/PCS phone is not. > >Unless you happen to have an FCC-licensed radio on board (likely), in which case >the FCC can hold you responsible for the actions of your passengers in violating >FCC rules (FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly >responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that >aircraft."). Sorry. Wrong again. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #9 ****************************** Date: 20 Feb 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #10 Telecom Digest Tuesday, February 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 010 In this issue: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 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Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:26:41 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: >tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) writes: > > >>If it transmits radio waves and is used in the US, it is under FCC >>control. [in response to your "FCC" branded cellular phone.] > >Sure, but the FCC does not prohibit airborne use >of anything transmitting radio waves. Absolutely not. There are many radio services the FCC allows to operate from an airborne platform. >>PCS uses cells too, and as such, the same frequency hogging for >>which the rule exists, would occur. > >The same laws of physics apply, but the same laws >of the FCC don't. Go ahead and do it then. >>Satelite phones would be a different story though. > >Yup, along with a host of other technologies that >use cellular radio technology to deliver telephone >service. Satelite serviced phones don't use tiny cells which cover the small areas involved in the CELL/PCS services. Neither does AIRINC. Neither does business band radio... but you can bet that if you took your business band radio to such an altitude to where you interfered with another user of the same band in a neighboring community due to the larger footprint you now cast, the FCC would perhaps intervene, restricting your use. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:39:44 -0500 From: linley@megami.org (Bruce Linley) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? In ye olden post tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) spake... >merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: >>>>>>> "RoyD" == Roy Smith writes: >> >>RoyD> That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been >>RoyD> talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited >>RoyD> resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't >>RoyD> designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason >>RoyD> use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. >> >>Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe >>it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline >>under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic >>devices brought onboard. > >Not FAA law, Randal, since FAA doesn't give a rat's tail about radio >waves as long as they are not affected. It is against FCC rules and >regs to use a cellphone aloft, even in a hot air balloon. But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are still on the ground!) I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers all at once. - -- Bruce James Robert Linley | +---+---+--_ | "Ocha tte nigai demo... hito no chi linley at megami dot org | | |NV | UT | wa atatakakute tottemo amai no" Programmer, Fortunet Inc. | \ CA \ |___ | "Tea is always bitter... but blood Las Vegas, Nevada, USA ---------> \*| AZ | is warm and sweet" - Miyu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 13:45:21 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: Local service Parma - Snow/Pearl area - Tuxedo/Victory CO. Steve Sobol wrote: > Where are you moving? Everyone has switches downtown, but not everyone can > service outlying areas. > -- > I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the > anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose > friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's > not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people > that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 14:12:19 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'melbeckman': >Only if the watch contains a radio transmitter . There actually are >cellphone watches now, so this has become an issue. It's been an issue. Check out http://www.beepwear.com - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 14:13:30 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Local service >From 'Seymour Dupa': >Parma - Snow/Pearl area - Tuxedo/Victory CO. CoreComm will service you for sure. Mpower, not too sure, they're new, but I can get you in touch with someone. XO and ICG may still have the requirement of 23 lines (i.e. a T-1) in order to provide service. ICG's facilities are in the Valley and XO is downtown. Mpower's switches are downtown. Contact me off-list if you are interested, and I will get you some phone numbers. BTW, in my opinion you should stay as far away as possible from Worldcom. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 14:25:55 -0500 From: laird@freedom.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >From 'Kyler Laird': >>>CELLULAR TELEPHONES. I thought that was perfectly clear in the title of the >>>regulation, "Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones". >> >>See? That's the problem. You apparently didn't read >>the FCC regs that you quoted and just blindly applied >>them. >> >>Do we need to do a survey here to find out how many >>people use "cell phones" that aren't classified by >>the FCC as "cellular telephones"? >*blink* >Are you trolling, or what? Are you dense, or what? People are quoting FCC regs like crazy but then blindly applying them to all radiotelephone devices. That's stupid. I'm trying to point it out. Is there some way to make it more clear? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 14:56:42 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are >still on the ground!) > >I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same >grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers >all at once. Only if it were a fairly unusual mountain top of the type that moves at 200 mph. Stationary phones don't cause problems, because the cell system can figure out which tower gets the strongest signal and tell the phone to talk to that one. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 15:13:08 -0500 From: laird@freedom.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Brian Vita" writes: >At several of the aviation based conventions that I have been to I have seen >a cellular system that is designed and allowed by both the FAA and FCC. http://www.aircell.com/ - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 17:13:12 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? linley@megami.org (Bruce Linley) writes: >In ye olden post tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) spake... >> >>Not FAA law, Randal, since FAA doesn't give a rat's tail about radio >>waves as long as they are not affected. It is against FCC rules and >>regs to use a cellphone aloft, even in a hot air balloon. > >But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are >still on the ground!) > >I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same >grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers >all at once. I would imagine so. I keep thinking back to one Amateur Radio Field Day I participated in about 10 years ago atop Mount Diablo in northern California. I was working the 2 meter packet system and without digipeating we had a clear shot of a site atop Frazier Peak at the Grapevine in Southern Calif. Also at are location was the ATV crowd, the coordinator of that group being a site technician for one of the few cellular companies around at that time, had brought along one of the companies Emergency Preparation cellphone packs (perhaps five cellphones in it as well as a cell-fax unit) that they have available for EOC use... Not that it counted for any Field Day contacts (except as a QSL report), but he was actively soliciting fax messages to his cell setup over the ATV system. At 3800 feet overlooking the entire SF Bay Area, it had to have disrupted many cell sites. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 17:18:43 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'Kyler Laird': >>>Do we need to do a survey here to find out how many >>>people use "cell phones" that aren't classified by >>>the FCC as "cellular telephones"? > >>*blink* > >>Are you trolling, or what? > >Are you dense, or what? > >People are quoting FCC regs like crazy but then >blindly applying them to all radiotelephone >devices. That's stupid. I'm trying to point it >out. Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that isn't classified as such. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 17:30:23 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 13:39:44 -0500 Bruce Linley wrote: > In ye olden post tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) spake... > >merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) writes: > >>>>>>> "RoyD" == Roy Smith writes: > >> > >>RoyD> That plus the fact that you were virually certain to have been > >>RoyD> talking to numerous cells at once, which wastes limited > >>RoyD> resources (frequency slots) and confuses the system, which isn't > >>RoyD> designed for such uses. This is, of course, exactly the reason > >>RoyD> use of a cell phone in the air is illegal. > >> > >>Unless there's some new law specifically about cell phones, I believe > >>it's up to the pilot under part 91 or 121 operations, or the airline > >>under part 135 operations, to determine the safety of electronic > >>devices brought onboard. > > > >Not FAA law, Randal, since FAA doesn't give a rat's tail about radio > >waves as long as they are not affected. It is against FCC rules and > >regs to use a cellphone aloft, even in a hot air balloon. > > But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are > still on the ground!) > > I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same > grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers > all at once. > > -- > Bruce James Robert Linley An interesting question, since a real life example is just west of Denver, so covered with antennas it looks like a forest (TV stations, radio stations, and no telling what else...probably ever cellular system has a tower there, too). It overlooks all of metropolitan Denver, and has a number of interesting historic sites, including the Buffalo Bill grave and museum, as well as quite a few mountain homes. So there is no doubt plenty of cell traffic, from tourists and residents. Wonder how this is accomodated without messing up the cell systems? Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 17:46:54 -0500 From: colonel@monmouth.com (I Fought the Tao and Won) Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude In , jra@baylink.com wrote: > > On 16 Feb 2001 21:01:15 -0500, I wrote: > > > > This is useful only if you have a BASIC interpreter. The Telecom > > Digest archives do indeed have conversion programs. Search the > > index for "V&H". Among other things, you should be able to find > > my C program vh2ll.c, whose header comment includes a description > > of the mapping technique. (Apart from the comments, my C program > > is useful only if you have a C compiler! Maybe some day I'll re- > > write it in Perl.) > > If it's small enough to understand, I might rewrite it in Python. > I've been looking for something to use to learn the language, and that > sounds like it might be the trick. > > A quick look says that no, the code *isn't* there. Any chance you > could mail it to me? Try looking slower! It's in volume 17, issue 57. - -:- "To what do I owe the honour of this unexpected visit, Lord Ruthven . . . alias Lyford Pemberton!" H. C. Artmann, "Tom Parker, International Detective" - -- Col. G. L. Sicherman home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com work: sicherman@lucent.com web: - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 18:11:51 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 00:28:04 -0500, Joel B Levin wrote: > In <96q7pu$c1d$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>, > laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote: > > }Roy Smith writes: > } > }>This is an FCC rule, > }>not an FAA one, namely 47 CFR 22.295: Prohibition on airborne operation of > }>cellular telephones. > } > }O.k, you quoted a lot, but you neglected to quote > }what radio devices this covers. How 'bout doing > }that for us? > > CELLULAR TELEPHONES. I thought that was perfectly clear in the title of the > regulation, "Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones". Actually, while I haven't read the reg, I'm told it applies only to 900Mhz (AMPS/TDMA/CDMA/GSM) phones, and does *not* specifically apply to 1800MHz (TDMA/CDMA/GSM) or 800MHz (IDEN) phone/radios, because they're licensed differently. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Feb 2001 18:52:17 -0500 From: "Paul" Subject: Telephone Line Voltage?? Greetings!!! Anyone have a similar problem or have heard of this: VTECH phone model 2431 I get this message Parallel Set In Use! . After doing a unit reset, the company insists it must be a problem with line voltage???? So I come to you guys with this problem....The phone is expecting a "certain" line voltage and it isn;t getting it? Although I can use the phone but I get the above message. There are no other sets in use. 1) How can I test for this "so-called" irregular line voltage and fix it? 2) What could be causing this anomoly, if it is at all. 3) School me a bit on this??? Thanks much newbie - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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(Of course, the distinction gets rather blurry when a dual-band phone is being used.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 00:22:13 -0500 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: GPS in flight Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, I was on an Alaska Airlines flight recently, and the flight attendent made the usual speech once we were airborne about electronic devices that we could now use once we had taken off. I was surprised to hear him list GPS receivers along with laptop computers as acceptable devices. Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have a really nice experience using it from the observation car of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not out from a plane window. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 00:57:04 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 23:21:45 -0500, Ed Ellers wrote: > Steve Sobol wrote: > "Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that > isn't classified as such." > > 1900 MHz PCS phones, which many people think of as "cell phones" but > apparently aren't covered by the FCC restriction being discussed. (Of > course, the distinction gets rather blurry when a dual-band phone is being > used.) And also Nextel iDEN phones, which are licensed as Specialized Mobile Radio systems, at 800 MHz, and are, apparently, not licensed as "cellular" by the FCC, either. Sorry, Steve. :-) Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:22:05 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 17:18:43 -0500, Steve Sobol wrote: :Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that :isn't classified as such. Nextel SMR trunked radios. These operate on frequencies close to the traditional cellular band, have similar propagation characteristics, and are marketed as if they are cellular telephones, although with the added feature of intercom-style two way radio communication within a group of users of the same customer, and now paging and e-mail. In fact, the frequencies were intended for the intercom-style dispatching function, with telephone interconnect ("phone patch") as a side benefit. That's not how they're marketed, however, and many users of the devices consider them to be "cellular telephones", especially individual purchasers with no need for the intercom function. Most of these individual users don't even know that the two-way radio intercom capability exists. TTBOMK there is no FCC restriction on the use of such radios on aircraft in flight per se, although the same issues regarding a huge footprint clobbering frequency re-use, inability to hand off fast enough, etc. would apply. Although the laws of the FCC may allow them to be used, the laws of physics may not allow them to be used reliably. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:22:15 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 17:13:12 -0500, Mike Maxfield wrote: :Also at are location was the ATV crowd, :the coordinator of that group being a site technician for one of the :few cellular companies around at that time, had brought along one of :the companies Emergency Preparation cellphone packs (perhaps five :cellphones in it as well as a cell-fax unit) that they have available :for EOC use... Not that it counted for any Field Day contacts (except as :a QSL report), but he was actively soliciting fax messages to his cell :setup over the ATV system. At 3800 feet overlooking the entire SF Bay :Area, it had to have disrupted many cell sites. In addition to changing its operating frequency under control of the cellular MTSO switching office, a cellular telephone can and does adjust its RF output power under control of the cellular system. The base station detects the RSSI (received signal strength indication) of the cellular user. If the user is on a mountaintop, the system can reduce the user's RF output power down to around 7.5 milliwatts. This not only reduces interference to adjacent cells, it extends the battery life of the cell phone. Whether such power reduction will cause any less grief for those running around in tight little circles screaming about brain cancer is left as an exercise for the reader, and part of another thread. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 04:22:36 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 17:30:23 -0500, Wes Leatherock wrote: :On 19 Feb 2001 13:39:44 -0500 Bruce Linley wrote: : :> But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are :> still on the ground!) :> :> I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same :> grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers :> all at once. :> :> -- : An interesting question, since a real life example is just :west of Denver, so covered with antennas it looks like a forest :(TV stations, radio stations, and no telling what else...probably :ever cellular system has a tower there, too). : : It overlooks all of metropolitan Denver, and has a number :of interesting historic sites, including the Buffalo Bill grave :and museum, as well as quite a few mountain homes. : : So there is no doubt plenty of cell traffic, from tourists :and residents. Wonder how this is accomodated without messing :up the cell systems? The cellular system commands the cellular phones to reduce their RF output power. Just as the operating frequency is under control of the MTSO, so is the transmitter power. Part of the equation for handing off a call from one cell to another is a comparison of signal strength of the user as measured at adjacent cells. In order to maximize the re-use of frequencies and also to conserve battery life, the mobile user's utput power is reduced by remote command if the active cell detects a signal above a certain strength. It can go down to about 7.6 milliwatts, so that even from a mountaintop, a user communicating with a nearby cell sharing the same frequency would "capture" the closer receiver. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #10 ******************************* Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:18:49 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #11 Telecom Digest Tuesday, February 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 011 In this issue: Re: I'm being demon-dialed. What do I do? RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #10 Re: GPS in flight Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: GPS in flight Re: GPS in flight Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #10 Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: I'm being demon-dialed. What do I do? RE: GPS in flight Re: GPS in flight Mail list Re: GPS in flight Re: Local Service Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: UMTS in telecommunication Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Request for UDS/Motorola 2860 Documentation Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? The internet shopping list. Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Feb 2001 06:46:33 -0500 From: "Glenn C. Lasher Jr." Subject: Re: I'm being demon-dialed. What do I do? On 28 Jan 2001, Tim Shoppa wrote: > For the past three nights, my three phone numbers (all terminating > on the same physical line, with distinctive ringing) have been > dialed in sequence, between 1AM and 5AM. The caller ID reads the > same number - it's the same guy from across the river in Virginia. > If I pick up the phone, all I get is a tone at the other end, like > it's a fax machine and/or modem on the other side. If I don't pick > up the phone, it continues for seven rings and my three numbers > are cycled throughout the night. Bait him. Put a junk modem on the line when you go to bed. Configure the modem to ignore DTR and to auto-answer on the first ring. Don't connect the modem to anything else but the phone line and power source. Disconnect the modem in the morning. Lather, rinse, repeat. - -- glasher@nycap.rr.com After 163 days, Verizon still couln't deliver Telocity DSL. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 06:50:03 -0500 From: Michael Hartley Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #10 > But not from atop a high mountain overlooking the city. (You are > still on the ground!) > > I imagine a cell phone up there would cause the cell system the same > grief as an airborne one, i.e., hitting a great many cell towers > all at once. Which standard are we talking about for this 'hitting a great many cell towers all at once' claim? GSM will only 'talk' to a single site at once in call(though rapid handovers would be a problem, as would the sheer number of cells which the phone see and attempt to report on) CDMA can talk to several sites at once in normal operation but may have problems if the handset sees many sites with similar signal strength. Analogue....well, who cares about legacy systems anyway ;+) (joke, before I get flamed) Also given the relatively low TX power of most handsets interference from individual handsets may not be the issue, more likely to be interference from sites, which have TX output at least one degree of magnitude higher than the handset. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:10:20 -0500 From: Larry & Wanda Finch Subject: Re: GPS in flight Tad Cook wrote: > Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, > I was on an Alaska Airlines flight recently, and the flight > attendent made the usual speech once we were airborne about > electronic devices that we could now use once we had taken > off. I was surprised to hear him list GPS receivers along > with laptop computers as acceptable devices. > > Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial > airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a > DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have > a really nice experience using it from the observation car > of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not > out from a plane window. I've used a GPS receiver several times on commercial flights (Garmin 12XL). It works, but must be held close to a window. Also, it helps to turn it on while still on the ground so it can find the satellites. At 600MPH sync takes much longer. Larry - -- Larry Finch ::finches@bellatlantic.net larry@prolifics.com ::LarryFinch@aol.com (whew!) N 40° 53' 47" W 74° 03' 56" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:36:18 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'Jay R. Ashworth': >And also Nextel iDEN phones, which are licensed as Specialized Mobile >Radio systems, at 800 MHz, and are, apparently, not licensed as >"cellular" by the FCC, either. iDEN phones I can understand. 1900MHz PCS phones I can't. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:43:31 -0500 From: ted@accurev.com (Ted Ede) Subject: Re: GPS in flight In article <001201c09afd$2a8cd550$c67937cf@paul25jszwyri9>, Tad Cook wrote: >Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, >Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial >airline flight? With the permission of the Captain I used a Garmin 195 on a Southwest airlines flight. I had to have use the external antenna against a window. It worked just fine. I've never tried it since, as I was only borrowing it for a long x-country (MA->NM to deliver a Cherokee 180). ted - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:49:19 -0500 From: "John R. Covert Spam Sink" Subject: Re: GPS in flight Tad Cook asked: >Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial airline flight Yes, extensively. On each new airline, I always ask the captain first. On American, the in-flight magazine specifically lists GPS receivers as PROHIBITED devices, so I ask each captain, and have always been told "yes". You do need to be right in the window seat, and you need to start acquisition immediately when the plane reaches 10,000 feet (the point at which they tell you that you can turn on your toys). At higher elevations and full velocity, it can take ten to twenty minutes to acquire. Of course, you have to shut it off before final approach when they tell you "Turn off your toys." That would sometimes be the most interesting time to know what's actually going on. I'll send you privately some references to GPS track logs I've made in flight. /john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 09:54:32 -0500 From: Claire Pieterek Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #10 >XO and ICG may still have the requirement of 23 lines (i.e. a T-1) in order >to provide service. ICG's facilities are in the Valley and XO is downtown. IMNSHO, you should stay as far away as possible from ICG. I did some consulting work there about 1.5 years ago. The situation at the company was pretty ugly then and has only gotten worse... Besides, they're going bankrupt, so you'd probably have to change carriers anyway. Just my $0.02. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:16:51 -0500 From: "W. Joseph Wineburgh" Subject: Cell phones in flight don't work? While aloft, yes. However - while taking off and landing, the cell would probably be operable (being on or near the ground and at a speed similar to a car on the highway) and would pose the greatest risk, since these are the pieces of the flight that require not only the most attention by the pilot and crew, but the most reliance on instrumentation if the weather is not crystal clear with 20+ mile visibility. On a recent flight back from Boston to Newark where a fellow passenger was apologizing profusely to the person on the other end of the phone for a DS3 outage or something of the like - this carried on until the plane was ON THE RUNWAY and beginning take-off procedures with the stewardess making the rounds every minute or so telling her to turn it off each time, until some nasty glares from myself and a few other passengers got her to end the conversation. #JOE > In any case, it kinda makes any discussion of use of a cell phone on a > commercial airliners moot. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:26:38 -0500 From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: I'm being demon-dialed. What do I do? In article , "Glenn C. Lasher Jr." wrote: > On 28 Jan 2001, Tim Shoppa wrote: > > > For the past three nights, my three phone numbers (all terminating > > on the same physical line, with distinctive ringing) have been > > dialed in sequence, between 1AM and 5AM. The caller ID reads the > > same number - it's the same guy from across the river in Virginia. > > If I pick up the phone, all I get is a tone at the other end, like > > it's a fax machine and/or modem on the other side. If I don't pick > > up the phone, it continues for seven rings and my three numbers > > are cycled throughout the night. > > Bait him. Put a junk modem on the line when you go to bed. Configure the > modem to ignore DTR and to auto-answer on the first ring. Don't connect > the modem to anything else but the phone line and power source. > Disconnect the modem in the morning. Lather, rinse, repeat. > > -- > glasher@nycap.rr.com > After 163 days, Verizon still couln't deliver Telocity DSL. Check the front of your phonebook, most phone companies have a procedure for this type of call, here in QWest land, I have to dial *?? after each call, then after 3 calls I call a 1-800 QWest number and start the complaint process, both times I have do this it stopped within a day. - -Hudson - -- http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:43:20 -0500 From: "Green, Andrew" Subject: RE: GPS in flight > Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial > airline flight? Yes: "Roger McGuinn, legendary co-founder of the Byrds; and Stephen King, legendary legend," as quoted in a recent Dave Barry column. (He gave them pseudonyms of "Roger" and "Steve" to preserve their privacy. :-) http://www.miami.com/herald/special/features/barry/2001/docs/jan28.htm > We were flying from Chicago to Boston, and while everybody > else was reading or sleeping, "Roger" and "Steve," who are > both fully grown men, were staring at their GPS devices and > periodically informing each other how far we were from the > Boston airport. "Roger" would say, "I'm showing 238 miles," > and "Steve" would say, "I'm showing 241 miles." Then "Roger" > would say, "Now I'm showing 236 miles," and "Steve" would come > back with another figure, and so on. My wife, who was confident > that the airplane pilot did not need help locating Boston, > thought this was the silliest thing she had ever seen. Whereas > I thought: I NEED one of those. - -- Andrew C. Green Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 10:43:37 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: GPS in flight This is an on-going discussion in the gps newsgroup, sci.geo.satellite-nav. John Tad Cook wrote: > Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, > I was on an Alaska Airlines flight recently, and the flight > attendent made the usual speech once we were airborne about > electronic devices that we could now use once we had taken > off. I was surprised to hear him list GPS receivers along > with laptop computers as acceptable devices. > Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial > airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a > DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have > a really nice experience using it from the observation car > of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not > out from a plane window. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 12:49:55 -0500 From: "Cywinski, Robert" Subject: Mail list I'd like to know how to get on the e-mail list. I am the System Administrator for a Lucent G3r switch at Spring-Ford Area School District in Royersford PA. Thanks. Bob Cywinski - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 13:50:28 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: GPS in flight On 20 Feb 2001 00:22:13 -0500, Tad Cook wrote: > Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial > airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a > DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have > a really nice experience using it from the observation car > of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not > out from a plane window. I haven't climbed back on the GPS group since I got back on Usenet, but yeah, people had decent luck with them in the past. The external amplified antenna helps a *lot*, but airliners don't exceed the maximum speed at which consumer GPS modules are allowed to be operable. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 14:08:35 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: Local Service > From 'Seymour Dupa': >>How can I find out who provides local business service (2 lines) in >>the Cleveland, Ohio area? I have contacted CoreCom, WorldCom, XO >>(Nextlink) and Teligent which are listed in the front of the >>phone book. http://www.clecworld.com/clec/cdatabase.asp allows you to find all CLECs in a specified area. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 14:14:58 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? The Mobitex transceiver in a Palm Seven is NOT a cellphone; however, it will work in flight. The CBAV freeware PQA works well and provides weather radar, pilot reports and other information of benefit to any GA pilot. See the link to CBAV from http://palm7faq.cjb.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 14:21:42 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: UMTS in telecommunication Please use www.google.com or the search engine of your choice in the future. www.umts-forum.org/what_is_umts.html www.cellular.co.za/umts.htm On 19 Feb 2001 06:54:04 -0500, "Jacob Thakadu" wrote: >Can anyone explained to me what UMTS is or refer me sites where I can learn about it? > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 15:13:21 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 20 Feb 2001 09:36:18 -0500, Steve Sobol wrote: > >And also Nextel iDEN phones, which are licensed as Specialized Mobile > >Radio systems, at 800 MHz, and are, apparently, not licensed as > >"cellular" by the FCC, either. > > iDEN phones I can understand. 1900MHz PCS phones I can't. Steve, I'll check. Someone mentioned a loophole, and asserted that PCS phones slipped through it, but they could have mistakenly been referring to the iDEN's. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 17:48:02 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that >isn't classified as such. Except for the dual-band models... http://www.motorola.com/LMPS/iDEN/ http://voicestream.com/products/phones.asp http://sprintpcs.com/ . . . Anything used in Europe would of course not be an FCC Cellular Telephone, too. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:02:09 -0500 From: "Kimberlin, Don" Subject: Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? In article <19 Feb 2001 00:10:18 -0500>, laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote: >PCS has been reported to be unusable above 2,000 feet AGL That's quite understandable if you look at the vertical radiation characteristics of the antennas used by cell sites. They have no interest in wasting transmitter power by sending it skyward, so, just like a TV or FM broadcast station, they attempt (when reaching equally in all directions) to radiate what would looklike a very squashed-out torus, reaching as far toward the horizon as possible. Interested parties can probably find descriptions of these antennas with a quick web search. (True confessions: When someone I know very well surreptitiously turned on a cellphone in commercial planes out of utter curiosity, he found as Kyler wrote; essentially no PCS signals receivable higher than 2000 feet AGL.) >I'm hoping to try Nextel for airborne use. You can expect the same result. Nextel is using those same RF bands with the same characteristics. (NOTE: No cellphones were fried in the composing of this message) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:09:33 -0500 From: "Kimberlin, Don" Subject: Request for UDS/Motorola 2860 Documentation > We have several very-long-in-the-tooth UDS/Motorola 2860 modems to > configure. They've been here for ages, and if it weren't that the old > 208-types can be > so fussy about interworking with others, they'd probably get replaced. > But, for the near term, it's better for us to try to live with them a > while. > Looking on the Web for sites that have downloadable manuals for the 2860, > one finds that Motorola has sold off its participation in modem > manufacture, > and the firm Motorola sold to doesn't make mention of 2860. > Any kind souls out there with a copy, hopefully already scanned or text > converted? > > (Note: No modems were smashed in composing this message - yet.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:10:56 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >From 'Jay R. Ashworth': >>And also Nextel iDEN phones, which are licensed as Specialized Mobile >>Radio systems, at 800 MHz, and are, apparently, not licensed as >>"cellular" by the FCC, either. >iDEN phones I can understand. 1900MHz PCS phones I can't. What's the difficulty? If you'd read the FCC reg that's been quoted so freely in pieces here, you'll see that "cellular telephone" only applies to radio devices operating on a limited frequency range (using any modulation technique, however). It's mighty irresponsible to go around quoting pieces of something without even checking the basics of it. It's even worse to ream out someone else for your lack of research. Let's get the straight poop from the source. Here's the quoted piece about airborne restrictions. http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=100245547+9+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve PART 22--PUBLIC MOBILE SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H--Cellular Radiotelephone Service Sec. 22.925 Prohibition on airborne operation of cellular telephones. Cellular telephones installed in or carried aboard airplanes, balloons or any other type of aircraft must not be operated while such aircraft are airborne (not touching the ground). When any aircraft leaves the ground, all cellular telephones on board that aircraft must be turned off. The following notice must be posted on or near each cellular telephone installed in any aircraft: ``The use of cellular telephones while this aircraft is airborne is prohibited by FCC rules, and the violation of this What no one bothered to quote was the scope of part 22. http://frwebgate1.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/waisgate.cgi?WAISdocID=100245547+8+0+0&WAISaction=retrieve PART 22--PUBLIC MOBILE SERVICES--Table of Contents Subpart H--Cellular Radiotelephone Service Sec. 22.900 Scope. The rules in this subpart govern the licensing and operation of cellular radiotelephone systems. Licensing and operation of these systems are also subject to rules elsewhere in this part that apply generally to the Public Mobile Services. In case of conflict, however, the rules in this subpart govern. . . . Sec. 22.905 Channels for cellular service. The following channels are allocated for block assignment in the Cellular Radiotelephone Service. All channels have a bandwidth of 40 kHz and are designed by their center frequencies in MegaHertz. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Base Mobile Base Mobile ------------------------------------------------------------------------ CHANNEL BLOCK A 416 communication channel pairs 869.040........................ 824.040 890.010........... 845.010 869.070........................ 824.070 890.040........... 845.040 | | | | | | | | 879.990........................ 834.990 891.480........... 846.480 21 control channel pairs 834.390................. 879.390 834.420................. 879.420 | | | | 834.990................. 879.990 CHANNEL BLOCK B 416 communication channel pairs 880.020......................... 835.020 891.510........... 846.510 880.050......................... 835.050 981.540........... 846.540 | | | | | | | | 889.980......................... 844.980 893.970........... 848.970 21 control channel pairs 835.020................. 880.020 835.050................. 880.050 | | | | 835.920................. 880.620 Not in those channels? You're not Part 22. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:23:38 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER Michael Hartley wrote: > NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER: > This email (including attachments) is confidential. If you have received > this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this > email from your system without copying or disseminating it or placing any > reliance upon its contents. We cannot accept liability for any breaches of > confidence arising through use of email. Any opinions expressed in this > email (including attachments) are those of the author and do not necessarily > reflect our opinions. We will not accept responsibility for any commitments > made by our employees outside the scope of our business. We do not warrant > the accuracy or completeness of such information. > Perhaps this has been discussed before, but aren't silly disclaimers such as the one above pointless when posted to a public newsgroup? In what way is Michael Hartley's posting confidential (including attachments)? Further, no company can discharge liability arising from the actions of its employees with such a weasle-worded disclaimer. Can't somebody just fire the bureaucrat that came up with this ludicrous prose and be done with it? -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 18:35:16 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Kyler Laird wrote:What's the difficulty? If you'd read the FCC reg that's > been quoted so freely in pieces here, you'll see that > "cellular telephone" only applies to radio devices > operating on a limited frequency range (using any > modulation technique, however). > > It's mighty irresponsible to go around quoting pieces of > something without even checking the basics of it. It's > even worse to ream out someone else for your lack of > research. > > Let's get the straight poop from the source. Kyle, THIS is why it's important that the FAA has its own regulations to backstop the mamby-pamby FCC rule, which is obviously far too specific. The FAA rule bans "all electronic devices" except the ones they specifically allow (which include nothing resembling a cellphone). Hopefully you're clear on the idea that you can't use a cellphone on an airplane because the people who own the airline won't let you. What the FCC says is irrelevant, so there's no point in getting real picky about it. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 19:24:53 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Mike Maxfield wrote: > melbeckman writes: > > > >But the FCC can only regulate the people it licenses -- manufacturers, > >technicians, station operators -- and illegal operation of licensed equipment. > > And although the average John Doe may be unaware, his portable cellular/PCS > device is a piece of licensed equipment. > > >It can't regulate the general public or operation of unlicensed equipment. The > >average person doesn't need a license to use a cell phone, so the FCC can't > >dictate how you use it. > > You assume that is the case, only because you as the user don't see the > license, but it is licensed and the FCC can and does regulate how the > general public operates the piece of equipment. Believe it or not, the > FCC even regulates the operation of Part 15 devices (unlicensed) of > which your cell/PCS phone is not. But the end-user doesn't need a license. Because the end user is not the licensee, the FAA can only take action against the organization that _is_ the licensee, the cellphone operator. This is a gaping hole of which the FCC is well aware, but they've done nothing to fix it because they have no resources to enforce violations by end-users should they become liable. > > > > > >Unless you happen to have an FCC-licensed radio on board (likely), in which case > >the FCC can hold you responsible for the actions of your passengers in violating > >FCC rules (FAR 91.3(a): "The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly > >responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that > >aircraft."). > > Sorry. Wrong again What part is "wrong again?" The part about the FCC holding the pilot responsible for passenger use of a licensed radio? The part about the pilot in command being the final authority for operation of the aircraft? -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 20:13:33 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Mike Maxfield wrote: > laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: > > > >>You do realize, of course, that this person was violating FCC regulations > >>by doing so? > > > >Maybe. Maybe not. He said it was a "cell phone" > >not an "FCC Cellular Telephone". > > If it transmits radio waves and is used in the US, it is under FCC > control. [in response to your "FCC" branded cellular phone.] There is an important distinction between "control" and "jurisdiction." I agree that all RF emitters are under the FCC's jurisdiction, but not all are under the FCC's control. Control has a specific meaning in FCC rules, and implies that the FCC has dictated the mode and other parameters of operation. There are many devices, and large parts of RF spectrum, that are uncontrolled, and unlicensed. The FCC has jurisdiction, yes, but they have elected to not excercise control, for now. -mel > > > PCS uses cells too, and as such, the same frequency hogging for > which the rule exists, would occur. Satelite phones would be > a different story though. > > -- > tweek@io.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 20:19:18 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? >From http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41273,00.html -- > If a passenger were to ask anyone in the aviation industry why mobile > phone use is not permitted in flight, the likely response would be that > cell phones "may interfere with the communication and navigation systems > of the plane." This is indeed possible, though if I were designing a plane I would insist on making its electronics robust enough not to be disrupted by a few milliwatts of stray RF energy. It can't be that hard, since we already have military observation planes that can transmit a megawatt-plus "zorch" without causing themselves or their friends to fall from the sky.... But the main problem with using a cell phone in flight is that cell phones are designed to work on a line-of-sight basis. Every few minutes, if your phone is on it sends out a "ping" containing an identifying number. The nearest two or three cell sites receive this, and whichever gets the strongest signal tells the system (and your home system, if different) where to reach you. But from a plane at 20,000 feet, that same "ping" may reach every cell site within hundreds of miles -- and when each one of those cells tries to tell your home system you are there, chaos ensues on the phone network. This was discussed on comp.risks around the time that cellular phones first came out. This is why the FCC bans cellular phone use while airborne, while leaving it up to the FAA to regulate it when the aircraft is on the ground. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 22:13:19 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Mel Beckman writes: >THIS is why it's important that the FAA has its own regulations to backstop the mamby-pamby FCC rule, which is >obviously far too specific. The FAA rule bans "all electronic devices" except the ones they >specifically allow (which include nothing resembling a cellphone). Hopefully you're clear on the idea that you >can't use a cellphone on an airplane because the people who own the airline won't let you. What the FCC says >is irrelevant, so there's no point in getting real picky about it. Who said anything about airlines? I fly a lot, but I haven't been on an airliner in almost a decade. The original poster in this thread certainly wasn't talking about anything other than Part 91 flight either. If you want to divert to another topic, please announce it; don't just start bringing in unrelated arguments. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 22:21:41 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: The internet shopping list. From time to time Pat would post an internet shopping list--someone collected the 800 numbers that appear in some SPAM, and published them as a list so that we could call them at our convenience (preferably from a public telephone), and get full information. It looks as if that address has moved or stopped publishing. For the last week or so forwards to that address have bounced. Of course, Pat always reminded us not to call a SPAMmer repeatedly because that might constitute harassment, but it was certainly proper to ask enough questions to make sure we got the information correct. And it was proper to call from pay phones for our own convenience and privacy (so the SPAMmer doesn't get your phone number from the "ANI" [Automatic Number Identification] information that all 800 numbers receive), even though this costs the SPAMmer about 28 cents plus the per-minute call. On the other hand, the costs of toll telephone calls (including 800 numbers) have fallen in the last few years. Keeping a SPAMmer's 800 number occupied for 5 minutes might cost him or her less than 25 cents (plus 28 cents if you happened to call from a pay phone). Thus, the chances are slim that a SPAMmer might face financial ruin from the calls to his or her 800 (or 888 or 877) number. - -- To reply use the address below: ___ __ d_)--/d chessler usa.net _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 22:27:09 -0500 From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton) Subject: Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? In article <3A93172E.7607745A@diogenes.sacramento.ca.us>, John David Galt wrote: > From http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41273,00.html -- > > > If a passenger were to ask anyone in the aviation industry why mobile > > phone use is not permitted in flight, the likely response would be that > > cell phones "may interfere with the communication and navigation systems > > of the plane." > > This is indeed possible, though if I were designing a plane I would insist > on making its electronics robust enough not to be disrupted by a few > milliwatts of stray RF energy. It can't be that hard, since we already > have military observation planes that can transmit a megawatt-plus "zorch" > without causing themselves or their friends to fall from the sky.... > The problem is that those milliwatts are inside a sealed metal tube, they bounce around and do all sorts of funny thing. And the megawatt-plus "zorch" is outside the sealed metal tube and they pretty much know what it is going to do, and where it is going out there. I seem to recall that thje 747 Air Force One(s) were delayed for several years trying to get them to work with all the electronics installed. - -Hudson - -- http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:12:18 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER >From 'Mel Beckman': >Perhaps this has been discussed before, but aren't silly disclaimers such as >the one above pointless when posted to a public newsgroup? Yes, but I'm pretty sure that Mr. Hartley doesn't expect it to apply here. It is, in many cases, much easier to use the same signature for both e-mail and Snoozenet. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:18:45 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'Kyler Laird': >sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: > >>Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that >>isn't classified as such. > >Except for the dual-band models... > http://www.motorola.com/LMPS/iDEN/ Interesting. Yes. Jay Ashworth already pointed this out. I can see confusion with iDEN, due to the dual usage of the iDEN handsets. > http://voicestream.com/products/phones.asp > http://sprintpcs.com/ VoiceStream is pure cellular, though. (GSM) And SprintPCS is CDMA at 1900 MHz. CDMA at 800 is covered. Makes me wonder what happens with my CDMA Nokia 6185, which operates on my home network at 800 MHz on Alltel's network but may run at 1900 in some markets. Verizon has a combination of 800MHz and 1900MHz markets too, as does AT&T Wireless (which runs TDMA but is slowly switching to GSM). - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #11 ******************************* Date: 21 Feb 2001 06:15:22 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #12 Telecom Digest Wednesday, February 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 012 In this issue: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Feb 2001 23:26:59 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >What's the difficulty? If you'd read the FCC reg that's >been quoted so freely in pieces here, you'll see that >"cellular telephone" only applies to radio devices >operating on a limited frequency range (using any >modulation technique, however). That's not what I have a problem with. What makes no sense is that the FCC allocated and auctioned off additional frequencies but didn't extend the existing rules to cover the new frequencies. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 01:16:18 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? The "loophole" is that FCC rule 22.925, which prohibits cellular phone usage when airborne, is in the rule part (Part 22) that applies to the cellular radio service (800 MHz). There is no corresponding rule in Part 24 (PCS) or Part 90 (SMR). - -- Michael D. Sullivan Bethesda, MD, USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 01:55:24 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 20 Feb 2001 23:18:45 -0500, Steve Sobol wrote: > VoiceStream is pure cellular, though. (GSM) And SprintPCS is CDMA at > 1900 MHz. CDMA at 800 is covered. > > Makes me wonder what happens with my CDMA Nokia 6185, which operates > on my home network at 800 MHz on Alltel's network but may run at 1900 > in some markets. It operates under different licences, under different Parts, at different times. > Verizon has a combination of 800MHz and 1900MHz markets too, as does > AT&T Wireless (which runs TDMA but is slowly switching to GSM). Administratively combined. Still separate licenses, though. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 01:58:42 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 14:12:19 -0500, Steve Sobol wrote: > From 'melbeckman': > >Only if the watch contains a radio transmitter . There actually are > >cellphone watches now, so this has become an issue. > > It's been an issue. Check out http://www.beepwear.com It's worse than that. Breitling now manufacture a watch with a *builtin ELT*. You have to register it to buy it, and you don't want to *know* how much schidt you have to go through to get it reset if you trigger it. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 02:02:56 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 19 Feb 2001 12:31:15 -0500, melbeckman wrote: > But the FCC can only regulate the people it licenses -- manufacturers, > technicians, station operators -- and illegal operation of licensed equipment. > It can't regulate the general public or operation of unlicensed equipment. The > average person doesn't need a license to use a cell phone, so the FCC can't > dictate how you use it. I don't know about iDEN and PCS, but I know that the old AMPS cellular phones were *legally* operated under the license authority of the *carrier's* license -- I read the fine print on contracts, and it was right in there. > An aircraft owner, however, _does_ need a station > license to operate the onboard radios, and thus the FCC can regulate the heck > out of him. So if someone uses a cellphone against FAA regs, it's not the > non-pilot user that is prosecuted, but the licensed entity (in this case, the > aircraft owner/operator, which FAA regulations extend to mean the the pilot). Except that that particular license *only covers the aviation band radios. If you're a police helo pilot, or a Coastie, you have radios in your aircraft that are operated under something *other* than your Station License, and if you screw up on one of those, it's that *other* license they pull. > The FAA's rule is more general. Federal Aviation Regulation (FAR) > 91.21 prohibits the operation of portable electronic devices in > an aircraft while the aircraft is being operated under Instrument > Flight Rules (IFR), which covers all air-carrier flights. A cell > phone is an electronic device. There are specific exceptions to the > rule: the prohibition does not apply to portable voice recorders, > hearing aids, heart pacemakers, and electric shavers. There is > also an operator-discretion exception for that lets the operator > of the aircraft permit any device to be operated if the operator > has determined a particular device will not cause interference with > the navigation or communication system of the aircraft. This is why > laptops are permitted -- because the airlines decided to allow them. In that context, "operator" means the certificated operator (ie: airline), not the pilot, I believe, although the pilot has a last-clear-chance veto. > > The reason you get this litany about "things that can't be used" when > > boarding part 135 airlines is that the pilot doesn't have time (or > > motivation) to certify each and every gadget, so they categorically > > rule them out. To clarify, Part 135 is airtaxi and non-scheduled stuff. The "commercial airlines" as we know them operate under part 121. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 03:57:00 -0500 From: Mel Beckman Subject: Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER Steve Sobol wrote: > From 'Mel Beckman': > > >Perhaps this has been discussed before, but aren't silly disclaimers such as > >the one above pointless when posted to a public newsgroup? > > Yes, but I'm pretty sure that Mr. Hartley doesn't expect it to apply here. > It is, in many cases, much easier to use the same signature for both e-mail > and Snoozenet. But why use that pretentious signature at all? Are people forced to use this by their employers? First the lawyers tried to kill the fatted Y2K calf; now it looks like want to justify their keep by inventing inane email boilerplate. Ich. -mel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #12 ******************************* Date: 22 Feb 2001 06:15:21 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #13 Telecom Digest Thursday, February 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 013 In this issue: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 700 Calls Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Information on GR-303 Needed Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: GPS in flight Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: GPS in flight Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 2/21/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Single Mode Fiber Optic Cable For Sale ( 28km) Re: 700 Calls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Feb 2001 08:36:06 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >From 'Kyler Laird': >>sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >> >>>Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that >>>isn't classified as such. >> >>Except for the dual-band models... >> http://www.motorola.com/LMPS/iDEN/ >Interesting. Yes. Jay Ashworth already pointed this out. >I can see confusion with iDEN, due to the dual usage of the iDEN handsets. There are *no* iDEN handsets that are dual-band in the AMPS band (that I'm aware - I'd like one, though!). (There's the new GSM stuff, but that wouldn't qualify.) >> http://voicestream.com/products/phones.asp >> http://sprintpcs.com/ >VoiceStream is pure cellular, though. (GSM) They're *all* cellular! That's the point. I don't know much about VoiceStream. Did I mis-speak? It's not in the AMPS band, is it? >Makes me wonder what happens with my CDMA Nokia 6185, which operates on my home >network at 800 MHz on Alltel's network but may run at 1900 in some markets. It's a Cellular Telephone on your home network. You'll be breaking FCC regs if you use it while flying there. >Verizon has a combination of 800MHz and 1900MHz markets too, as does AT&T >Wireless (which runs TDMA but is slowly switching to GSM). At least one carrier that uses the AMPS band in addition to another (primary) band is reported to have a usage agreement that precludes airborne use. We've guessed that this is because the phones switch without warning. Many phones (but not those from Motorola) have the capability to turn off AMPS service. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 08:44:45 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >What makes no sense is that the FCC allocated and auctioned off additional >frequencies but didn't extend the existing rules to cover the new frequencies. So what exactly would you have them do? Say "no airborne use of any cellular radio devices"? This would, of course, include the comm radios that pilots use. (Frequencies are reused.) It would also include satellite systems, paging networks, ... Do you have any reference to show that airborne use of a cellular radio device (AMPS or not) has ever caused significant problems for a network? I'd be especially interested in a reference for a problem from an SMR device. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 09:17:51 -0500 From: Phil Smiley Subject: 700 Calls Are all 700 calls toll free? Other than the test numbers for PIC verification, what are 700 codes used for? TIA Smiley - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 10:10:55 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >From 'Kyler Laird': >I don't know much about VoiceStream. Did I >mis-speak? It's not in the AMPS band, is it? They do offer analog roaming, but the phones you get are GSM-only unless you get the analog SIMs. - -- I'm being told I have lost the respect of some of my acquaintances in the anti-spam camp. That's a shame, as these are people I respect, people whose friendship I have enjoyed, in some cases for several years. However, it's not going to change my mind, and I resent the implication by some people that I'm not doing enough to fight spam. Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 10:35:11 -0500 From: "Dominic Richens" Subject: Re: Is Phone Interference Phony? Hudson Leighton wrote: > John David Galt wrote: > > > This is indeed possible, though if I were designing a plane I would insist > > on making its electronics robust enough not to be disrupted by a few > > milliwatts of stray RF energy. It can't be that hard, since we already > > have military observation planes that can transmit a megawatt-plus "zorch" > > without > > The problem is that those milliwatts are inside a sealed metal tube, they > bounce around and do all sorts of funny thing. Sounds like the FAA needs to sponsor a new Bellcordia [sic] standard called NEAS (New Equipment Airplane Standard) :-) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 11:01:48 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: NOTICE AND DISCLAIMER > But why use that pretentious signature at all? Are people forced to > use this by their employers? First the lawyers tried to kill the > fatted Y2K calf; now it looks like want to justify their keep by > inventing inane email boilerplate. Ich. These nonsense boilerplate threats are invariably added by the local mail system as the mail goes out, and individual senders have no control over them. The message in question originated in the U.K. where I gather the boilerplate might have some effect, but everyone I know agrees that it's utterly meaningless here in the U.S. Can we get back to Telecom now? - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 11:27:39 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 21 Feb 2001 01:16:18 -0500 "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: >The "loophole" is that FCC rule 22.925, which prohibits cellular phone usage >when airborne, is in the rule part (Part 22) that applies to the cellular >radio service (800 MHz). There is no corresponding rule in Part 24 (PCS) or >Part 90 (SMR). That may all be well and good, but as far as airline cabin personnel they can't tell the difference between my Nokia 5190 which is meant for 1900 Mhz and a Nokia 5160 which is 800 AMPS/TDMA or 1900 TDMA. They both look pretty much identical. I don't think the average flight attendant would know the difference or would particularly care. If it looks like a cell phone they want you to squelch it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 12:55:28 -0500 From: varney@ihgp6.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney) Subject: Re: Information on GR-303 Needed In article , Mike Blake-Knox wrote: >I'm curious to know if you've seen a GR-303 (or for that matter TR-8) >as a means of providing a digital interface to CPE? This would give >the CPE access to line side switch features without using an external >channel bank. I believe it is rare to find GR-303/TR-008 tariffed as an access interface. It wasn't designed for that application. >I've seen a number of customers with IVR applications that transfer >calls using an external channel bank in the CO. Using TR-8/GR-303 would >eliminate the need for the channel bank. Eliminate the need for the channel bank AT THE CO, right? You still need something like a channel bank (or SLC) at the remote (IVR) end. Don't many digital switches (that have an integrated GR-303/TR-8 interface) also offer an integrated digital FX or 4-wire PBX interface, which would probably give you the same benefit without changing the IVR system? Better yet, why not use PRI, which WAS designed as an access interface? I would think GR-303 tariffs (if they exist) must be expensive relative to PRI. Al Varney - just my opinion - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 15:13:27 -0500 From: (Wm. Randolph Franklin) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Last week, the Wall Street Journal had a front page story about pilots using cellphones from the cockpit. (This was a small comment in a long story about pilots flying in dangerous conditions.) This was before takeoff. If the pilot felt that the airline was pressuring him to fly in dangerous weather, he might phone his union rep for backup. - ---- (Wm. Randolph Franklin) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 16:59:53 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 21 Feb 2001 08:36:06 -0500, Kyler Laird wrote: > sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: > >From 'Kyler Laird': > >>sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: > >> > >>>Fine. Point out a device traditionally used as a cellular telephone that > >>>isn't classified as such. > >> > >>Except for the dual-band models... > >> http://www.motorola.com/LMPS/iDEN/ > > >Interesting. Yes. Jay Ashworth already pointed this out. > >I can see confusion with iDEN, due to the dual usage of the iDEN handsets. > > There are *no* iDEN handsets that are dual-band in the AMPS band (that > I'm aware - I'd like one, though!). (There's the new GSM stuff, but > that wouldn't qualify.) > > >> http://voicestream.com/products/phones.asp sprintpcs.com/ > > >VoiceStream is pure cellular, though. (GSM) > > They're *all* cellular! That's the point. Nope. For pur purposes here, "cellular" is synonymous with "operates at 900 MHz on an AMPS compatible channel plan. That includes AMPS, TDMA D-AMPS, and might include GSM-900; I'm not sure how they channelize. It does not include 800 MHz iDEN, as we've already agreed. It alsi, however, doesn't include SprintPCS, which is CDMA-1900. > I don't know much about VoiceStream. Did I mis-speak? It's not in the > AMPS band, is it? Yeah, it is. VoiceStream used to be Aerial, which is GSM-900, but I don't know how it's channelized; it has the band segment to itself. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:11:55 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >>>>> "Mel" == Mel Beckman writes: Mel> THIS is why it's important that the FAA has its own regulations Mel> to backstop the mamby-pamby FCC rule, which is obviously far too Mel> specific. The FAA rule bans "all electronic devices" Mel> except the ones they specifically allow (which include nothing Mel> resembling a cellphone). Hopefully you're clear on the idea that Mel> you can't use a cellphone on an airplane because the people who Mel> own the airline won't let you. What the FCC says is irrelevant, Mel> so there's no point in getting real picky about it. No, we're now back to what I said in the first place. It's not the *FAA* that bans it. It's up to the pilot (FAA part 91 or 121) or the airline (FAA part 135) to determine the electronic devices that will not interfere. The FCC bans 800 Mhz phones. The FAA bans nothing. Ahh Usenet, always repeating itself. - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:14:07 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >>>>> "melbeckman" == melbeckman writes: melbeckman> The FAA rules melbeckman> prohibit all electronic devices with a few stated melbeckman> exceptions. Not FAA rules. The FAA permits (nee, *requires*) the pilots/airlines to make rules that the FAA can support. - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:33:18 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: GPS in flight "Tad Cook" writes: >From: "Tad Cook" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: GPS in flight >Date: 20 Feb 2001 00:22:13 -0500 >Organization: I.E.C.C. >Lines: 16 > >Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, >I was on an Alaska Airlines flight recently, and the flight >attendent made the usual speech once we were airborne about >electronic devices that we could now use once we had taken >off. I was surprised to hear him list GPS receivers along >with laptop computers as acceptable devices. > >Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial >airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a >DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have >a really nice experience using it from the observation car >of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not >out from a plane window. Never having tried a GPS while on a plane, I can't answer the question. However, I just read a very interesting article in the latest issue of Technology Review (the magazine published at M.I.T.) about using GPS and other technologies to produce small aircraft which are as easy to learn to fly as learning to drive a car. The article is available online at: http://www.techreview.com/magazine/mar01/freedman.asp In the print edition of the magazine, there is a follow-on story where the developer of some of these systems takes the reporter and the reporter's 12-year-old son on a flight between two smaller airports in Massachusetts. The kid gets brief instruction and then is allowed to handle the take-off and flying the plane by following a graphical display on a notebook computer attached to a GPS. (The engineer/pilot handled the touch-and-go landing and the return landing -- as the reporter stated, he is confident but not foolhearty.) The computer display showed a moving 3D perspective of the terrain with the flight path indicated and all the kid had to do what keep the plane aimed within the display. Upon landing, he said it was like the world's coolest video game. This article is worth a look online and even more so on the newsstand because of the photographs of the displays, etc. are also included in the print edition. Cheers, Will The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:43:52 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? It was 21 Feb 2001 08:44:45 -0500, and laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: | |> What makes no sense is that the FCC allocated and auctioned |> off additional frequencies but didn't extend the existing |> rules to cover the new frequencies. | | So what exactly would you have them do? Say "no airborne use | of any cellular radio devices"? This would, of course, include | the comm radios that pilots use. (Frequencies are reused.) | It would also include satellite systems, paging networks, ... Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! Under that loose definition "Citizen Band" and Cordless phones would be cellular. What I believe you are missing is that the band is not designated for airborne use. The FCC does NOT have to put in rules all over the place to ban what is already not permitted. According to the United States Table of Frequency Allocation, the PCS band is designated for "MOBILE except aeronautical mobile", as well as AMATEUR, FIXED, RADIOLOCATION, and RADIONAVIGATION uses. Any other use, including the specifically mentioned aeronautical mobile, is a violation of 47CFR2.105 . If you can find a section of code that *PERMITS* PCS band usage in the air, please feel free to post the reference. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:46:32 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: GPS in flight I previously wrote: >From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: GPS in flight >Date: 21 Feb 2001 17:33:18 -0500 > >. . . I just read a very interesting article in the latest >issue of Technology Review (the magazine published at M.I.T.) >about using GPS and other technologies to produce small >aircraft which are as easy to learn to fly as learning to >drive a car. >The article is available online at: > http://www.techreview.com/magazine/mar01/freedman.asp >In the print edition of the magazine, there is a follow-on >story where the developer of some of these systems takes >the reporter and the reporter's 12-year-old son on a flight >between two smaller airports in Massachusetts. I was mistaken about this side story not being included on the Technology Review web site. It is there, with some photos, at: http://www.techreview.com/magazine/mar01/freedman2.asp Also, note the links at the end of the first story. They take you to the web sites of the manufacturers mentioned in the article, where you will find additional information. Cheers, Will The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 21:44:07 -0500 From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: >Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! Give your definition, then. >Under that >loose definition "Citizen Band" and Cordless phones would be cellular. O.k., it gets even sillier. >What I believe you are missing is that the band is not designated >for airborne use. Are 49Mhz phones "designated for airborne use"? Is there an FCC ban against using them while airborne? >The FCC does NOT have to put in rules all over >the place to ban what is already not permitted. I'd like you to explain what you're describing here and clarify why it is that part 22 is the only place we've seen a ban on airborne usage. >According to the United States Table of Frequency Allocation, the >PCS band is designated for "MOBILE except aeronautical mobile", as >well as AMATEUR, FIXED, RADIOLOCATION, and RADIONAVIGATION uses. >Any other use, including the specifically mentioned aeronautical >mobile, is a violation of 47CFR2.105 . It seems odd that the folks at the FCC wouldn't have mentioned this when I grilled them on it. Why wasn't a similar tack taken for AMPS? Do you have a similar reference for iDEN? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 21:44:05 -0500 From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) writes: >> They're *all* cellular! That's the point. >Nope. For pur purposes here, "cellular" is synonymous with "operates >at 900 MHz on an AMPS compatible channel plan. When you can convince all of us that no one in Europe uses cellular phones, try that on me again. If you go back to the beginning, the hubub started when someone said he used a "cell phone". There was no mention of it being an "FCC Cellular Telephone". It was asserted that it *must* have been illegal even when I pointed out that it might not be an AMPS phone. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Feb 2001 22:39:17 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? In article , Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >No, we're now back to what I said in the first place. It's not the >*FAA* that bans it. It's up to the pilot (FAA part 91 or 121) or the >airline (FAA part 135) to determine the electronic devices that will >not interfere. > >The FCC bans 800 Mhz phones. The FAA bans nothing. But the FAA regulations give teeth to a ban that the pilot decides to impose. -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 00:09:27 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude On 19 Feb 2001 17:46:54 -0500, I Fought the Tao and Won wrote: > > A quick look says that no, the code *isn't* there. Any chance you > > could mail it to me? > > Try looking slower! It's in volume 17, issue 57. Oh. It's inline in a message... not in "the Telecom Archives", a collection of files stored at mirror.lcs.mit.edu. Got it. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 04:42:49 -0500 From: "Thomas Gronke" Subject: Re: 700 Calls I ran into 700- numbers while tangling with videoconferencing with AT&T. Some clients using AT&T for switched-56 or PRI-ISDN have 700- numbers assigned by AT&T on their data circuits. The interesting 'gotcha' we encountered was AT&T would not allow access to their 700- network from numbers that weren't PIC'd to AT&T for long-distance unless you contacted AT&T's switched data service and asked them to allow your specific phone numbers to access their switched data network. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #13 ******************************* Date: 23 Feb 2001 06:15:15 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #14 Telecom Digest Friday, February 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 014 In this issue: Re: 700 Calls Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? RE: Telephone line voltage?? SAC 700 Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #13 Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #13 Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude Re: 700 Calls RE: Telephone line voltage?? Re: 700 Calls Re: 700 Calls 2/22/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: 700 Calls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Feb 2001 08:04:37 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: 700 Calls In article <3A93CDE1.F6604B8@epix.net>, Phil Smiley wrote: > Are all 700 calls toll free? Other than the test numbers for PIC > verification, what are 700 codes used for? Most 700 numbers are NOT toll-free. Each long-distance carrier gets to do whatever it pleases with 700 numbers, with the exception of 700-555-4141, which is reserved for carrier verification. Some carriers used 700 in many areas to carry calls within the home NPA, bypassing the RBOC. However, aside from the fact that fewer and fewer LATAs are entirely within a single NPA, the FCC has officially discouraged that particular use. Now that most of the country has intra-LATA PIC selection, it is unnecessary. Several carriers set up 900-like services on their 700 numbers, with 900-like rates. If you're configuring a PBX, I would block 700 unless you have a specific reason to unblock it, and in any case I would block all 101xxxx-1-700 calls. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 08:04:50 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 21 Feb 2001 10:10:55 -0500 sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) wrote: >>From 'Kyler Laird': > >>I don't know much about VoiceStream. Did I >>mis-speak? It's not in the AMPS band, is it? > >They do offer analog roaming, but the phones you get are GSM-only unless you >get the analog SIMs. Not really. No special SIM is involved. If you want analog service VoiceStream just sends analog to your SIM as an update sent from VoiceStream and unless you have an analog adapter or a handset that can switch to analog most VoiceStream phones don't do analog. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 08:05:00 -0500 From: "Steve Hayes" Subject: RE: Telephone line voltage?? In V2001 #10, "Paul" asked >Anyone have a similar problem or have heard of this: > >VTECH phone model 2431 > >I get this message Parallel Set In Use! . After doing a unit reset, the >company insists it must be a problem with line voltage???? > >So I come to you guys with this problem....The phone is expecting a >"certain" line voltage and it isn't getting it? Although I can use the phone >but I get the above message. There are no other sets in use. > >1) How can I test for this "so-called" irregular line voltage and fix it? >2) What could be causing this anomaly, if it is at all. >3) School me a bit on this??? Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook should be about 40 to 55 volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and ring (in the USA, normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure between all the different wires and note the highest DC voltage you see. Most likely the phone is looking for this voltage and complaining because it sees something lower. It then assumes that another phone on the same line is off-hook. Perhaps this isn't a terribly good idea because there are a number of cases where the voltage is normally less, even with all phones on-hook: Some PBXs use a lower voltage, e.g. 24V. The 48V (nominal) is needed to force enough current through the resistance of several miles of wire between the central office and the phone. Lines connected to PBXs are usually going to be much shorter. The other common case is where the line is supplied through some sort of "pair gain" system. Analogue systems have been around for many years which allow one extra subscriber to be piggybacked onto an existing line or to allow up to 8 subscribers to share one line (not as a party line). Power is a problem in these systems where all the phones are being supplied over a single line. These systems usually supply only about 12V to save power - only very short lines can extend from the remote box to the subscriber's phone. There are now many digital equivalents which I am not familiar with but very likely some of these also use a low voltage to save power. As a matter of interest (not relevant to this problem) some Central Offices use 96V to supply very long lines in rural areas. It is quite likely that the line causing the problem falls into one of these cases. Of course, the voltage sensing circuit in the phone may be faulty. Steve Hayes South Wales, UK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 08:40:08 -0500 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: SAC 700 Regarding some of the recent discussion of 700 (used as a SAC, rather than as a c.o.code w/in home-NPAs for inTRA-LATA PIC-validation): AT&T uses (or might have used since they are discontinuing or re-configuring various services) SAC 700 (SAC originally meant "Special Area Code" but during the 1980's, SAC frequently meant "Service Access Code"). There is (was) AT&T Alliance Teleconferencing, a service that allowed the customer to set up their own conference calls (and there were various 700 access numbers depending on whether it was voice, data, text/graphics, video- usually "slow scan"(?), etc). The interesting thing was that you dialed a '0+' before the 700-NXX-xxxx rather than a 1+. The access, translations and routings for 700 Alliance Teleconferencing was designed where a TSPS (Operator Services switch, Traffic Service Positions System) was necessary, thus the '0+'. But the calls were billed to the calling number (unless that number were a 'restricted' number, such as a coin phone, etc). You couldn't "bill" alliance teleconferencing charges (which could get quite expensive) "collect" to one of the parties you were dialing to add to the conference call, nor "bill" the charges to an "independent" third number, nor "bill" the charges to a calling card. Another use of 0+ to 700 involved the (now discontinued) "Easy Reach" or "True Connections" 700 numbers of AT&T. These were "find-me-anywhere" type numbers, similar to 500. It was possible to bill (some) AT&T Easy Reach or True Connections 700 numbers to an AT&T or BOC/LEC issued calling card. Some of these 700 numbers were "free" to the calling party if the called party with that AT&T 700 number had set it up that way with a "PIN" code given to the calling party to use. Again, the access configurations routed the call thru a TSPS/OSPS "Operator" switch, thus the 0+ requirement. If the phone/line you were using wasn't "PIC'd" to AT&T for inTER-LATA toll, you *COULD* dial 10-288 (or now 101-0288) before the 0+ 700-nxx-xxxx for Alliance Teleconferencing (the AT&T instructional literature indicated this), and AT&T's carrier code (10-288, later 101-0288) worked on Easy Reach / True Connections 700. AT&T's Switched-56 Data using 700 basically used 700-56x-xxxx (and possibly some other dedicated 700-nxx codes). However, I *THINK* that *even if the line were PIC'd* to AT&T for inTER-LATA toll, you couldn't reach these numbers *UNLESS* your line were indicated as "configured for data access" by AT&T's switched-data department. But, remember that in the 1982/83 period of preparation for divestiture, 700 was determined to be assigned by each and every (inTER-LATA carrier) to do with what they wished. Prior to inTRA-LATA toll "PIC'ing" or at least 10[1-X]XXX+ inTRA-LATA toll "CAC" dialing, some carriers used 700 for their PIC'd customers (and also with 10-XXX+ / 101-XXXX+ CAC dialing) to place what they called "local/toll" or "inTRA-LATA toll" calls, by replacing the NPA code of the POTS number with 700. i.e., with MCI (0222), I could call Houma LA from New Orleans LA (inTRA-LATA toll) as (10[10]222)+1-700-876-xxxx. One of the valid prefixes in Houma LA is 504-876. However, because LATA boundaries and NPAs don't co-incide perfectly, this "use 700 to replace the real NPA" wasn't actually for inTRA-LATA, but really "home-NPA". If a number were in an ADJACENT area code, but in your LATA, and the c.o.code was also assigned in your own NPA, replacing the NPA with 700 would really indicate (on such carriers) that you were calling something via them in your own NPA, not that adjacent NPA in your LATA, whether or not that home-NPA+NXX was in or out of your own LATA! Also, back in the 1980's (and probably still today), some carriers offered PAY-PAY-PAY-per-call "900-like" services using their 700 functions. Some of the "chat" lines advertized on TV/radio/print indicated the calls to be dialed with a CAC, but "parsed" it in "funny ways". These calls were usually QUITE expensive! :( Allnet (which evolved into Frontier) provided access to some (independently provided?) chat-services, the numbers advertized on TV as: "104-441-700-and then seven seven's" (This was prior to 10-444 becoming 101-0444). i.e., the number you *really* were dialing was 10-444-1-700-777-7777. But AT&T and MCI and Sprint's functions of 700-777-7777 may either have not existed whatsoever, or they might have been each different unique functions! The CAC (Carrier Access Code) of 10-XXX+, now 101-XXXX+ determines "which" carrier's 700-NXX-xxxx you want! The 700 functions have been discussed in comp.dcom.telecom / TELECOM Digest many times in the past, and there is probably more detail in previous back-issues in the TELECOM-Digest archives. The above post does not include many other current (or historical) uses of SAC 700 which may, or may not, be free. And those that are known to be chargeable numbers COULD be QUITE expensive! Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497 WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497) Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 09:23:03 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? It was 21 Feb 2001 21:44:07 -0500, and laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: | >Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! | | Give your definition, then. Frequency reuse is only a part of the definiton. 'Cells' are interconnected and permit automatic handoffs to other cells. The comm radios you referred to are set by the operator to a channel. They are not 'cellular'. | >Under that loose definition "Citizen Band" and Cordless | >phones would be cellular. | | O.k., it gets even sillier. That was under your loose definition, *not* mine. And I agree, you are silly. | >What I believe you are missing is that the band is | >not designated for airborne use. | | Are 49Mhz phones "designated for airborne use"? No. The *band* is designated LAND MOBILE, FCC Rules for Private Land Mobile (Part 90). Don't focus on the device. 49MHz is used for more than phones. | Is there an FCC ban against using them while | airborne? Not as specifically as for PCS and Cellular. But then they are in a shared band where interference is expected and accepted. PCS and Cellular are more protected. | >The FCC does NOT have to put in rules all over the place | >to ban what is already not permitted. | | I'd like you to explain what you're describing here and | clarify why it is that part 22 is the only place we've | seen a ban on airborne usage. The *bands* (not the device) are desginated for specific uses. I suppose the FCC wanted a specific wording to back up their designation and to protect against interference when they created their part 22 service many moons ago. The FCC has bands designated for aeronautical mobile, and an assignment plan for aeronautical that does not match the RSA/MSA CSA's that were used for part 22 'Cellular' service. | >According to the United States Table of Frequency Allocation, | >the PCS band is designated for "MOBILE except aeronautical | >mobile", as well as AMATEUR, FIXED, RADIOLOCATION, and | >RADIONAVIGATION uses. Any other use, including the | >specifically mentioned aeronautical mobile, is a violation | >of 47CFR2.105 . | | It seems odd that the folks at the FCC wouldn't have mentioned | this when I grilled them on it. Why wasn't a similar tack | taken for AMPS? It isn't the device, or the mode of service, it is the band. Part 22 covers more than just land based cellular. Much of that part 22 service is carved out of the same area of bandwidth. AMPS is permitted airborne on the right frequencies. As for the FCC response, maybe they are tired of being grilled. | Do you have a similar reference for iDEN? Check the table for the frequency band in question. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 09:50:25 -0500 From: Claire Pieterek Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #13 >Date: 21 Feb 2001 10:10:55 -0500 >From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) >Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? > > >From 'Kyler Laird': > > >I don't know much about VoiceStream. Did I mis-speak? It's not in the > AMPS band, is it? > >They do offer analog roaming, but the phones you get are GSM-only unless >you get the analog SIMs. There are analog "sleeves" for certain models of Nokia phones VoiceStream sells, but AFAIR, these are older, larger models. Not sure about analog SIM cards, though... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 10:16:15 -0500 From: Paul Robichaux Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #13 In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010222075024.00aad440@pop.spamcop.net>, Claire Pieterek wrote: > There are analog "sleeves" for certain models of Nokia phones VoiceStream > sells, but AFAIR, these are older, larger models. Not sure about analog > SIM cards, though... The SIM itself isn't different; however, older phones had a 4 or 8Kb SIM, and the Nokia analog surfboard requires a 16Kb SIM. - -- Paul Robichaux Robichaux & Associates NT & Exchange deployment, planning, and consulting - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 12:14:35 -0500 From: laird@freedom.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: >| >Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! >| >| Give your definition, then. >Frequency reuse is only a part of the definiton. 'Cells' >are interconnected and permit automatic handoffs to other >cells. The comm radios you referred to are set by the >operator to a channel. They are not 'cellular'. So...you'd like to ban the airborne use of IEEE 802.11b devices? >| >Under that loose definition "Citizen Band" and Cordless >| >phones would be cellular. >| >| O.k., it gets even sillier. >That was under your loose definition, *not* mine. >And I agree, you are silly. I'm not the one who suggested banning airborne use of all celluar radio devices (and then excepting out things like satellite services). >| >According to the United States Table of Frequency Allocation, >| >the PCS band is designated for "MOBILE except aeronautical >| >mobile", as well as AMATEUR, FIXED, RADIOLOCATION, and >| >RADIONAVIGATION uses. Any other use, including the >| >specifically mentioned aeronautical mobile, is a violation >| >of 47CFR2.105 . >| >| It seems odd that the folks at the FCC wouldn't have mentioned >| this when I grilled them on it. Why wasn't a similar tack >| taken for AMPS? > It isn't the device, or the mode of service, it is the >band. AMPS *band* then. As I've already pointed out, the modulation doesn't matter, I just used AMPS as a shorthand. I realize that it's the band, not the device (and in other threads I was less sloppy about it). What's confusing me here is that everyone has been trotting out the "airborne prohibition" statement and using it as justification for why airborne use of any cell phone is banned. Now that we know it doesn't apply to all cell phones, you've come up with something new. I appreciate the new info, but I wish that everyone would get their stories straight. I will try to investigate with the FCC. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 13:08:42 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? It was 22 Feb 2001 12:14:35 -0500, and laird@freedom.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: | >| >Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! | >| | >| Give your definition, then. | | >Frequency reuse is only a part of the definiton. 'Cells' | >are interconnected and permit automatic handoffs to other | >cells. The comm radios you referred to are set by the | >operator to a channel. They are not 'cellular'. | | So...you'd like to ban the airborne use of IEEE 802.11b | devices? I am not banning anything. I am not the FCC, nor the FAA. As far as the specifics, you are getting off track again. What band? The FCC doesn't care if you yodel on an aircraft as long as it is not on a band that is not designated properly. (If you can yodel at 800mHz, stay in W. Lafayette!) Watch out for the FAA, they can ban yodeling airborne if it disrupts the operation of aircraft. | >| >Under that loose definition "Citizen Band" and | >| >Cordless phones would be cellular. | >| | >| O.k., it gets even sillier. | | >That was under your loose definition, *not* mine. | >And I agree, you are silly. | | I'm not the one who suggested banning airborne use of all | celluar radio devices (and then excepting out things like | satellite services). Neither did I suggest banning all cellular radio devices. Nor did anyone else suggest that *all* devices utilizing a cell like infrastructure be banned airborne. Please try to read more. I realize that in this monster thread you have written more than your share. Perhaps you should try reading? It does seem that all you want is a fight here. | >| It seems odd that the folks at the FCC wouldn't have | >| mentioned this when I grilled them on it. Why wasn't | >| a similar tack taken for AMPS? | | > It isn't the device, or the mode of service, it | >is the band. | | AMPS *band* then. As I've already pointed out, the | modulation doesn't matter, I just used AMPS as a shorthand. | I realize that it's the band, not the device (and in other | threads I was less sloppy about it). Funny how there is no "AMPS band" in the table of allotments. (I hear they do a nice cover of Hootie, but I digress.) Please don't complain about specifics in the CFRs then get sloppy. If you want this whittled down to something that an EE professor (or law) would accept keep focused. | What's confusing me here is that everyone has been trotting | out the "airborne prohibition" statement and using it as | justification for why airborne use of any cell phone is | banned. Now that we know it doesn't apply to all cell | phones, you've come up with something new. Sorry. I tried to post earlier but my news server ate it. | I appreciate the new info, but I wish that everyone would | get their stories straight. Part 22 Cellular Telephones are banned from airborne use, SPECIFICALY - no doubt. Part 22 Airborne Service can be used from the air or the ground. See 47CFR22 for other services in this part. The PCS band is specifically designated for MOBILE except aeronautical mobile. Other bands have similar designations. See 47CFR2.105 for details. The FCC has shown intent by banning the use of cellphones aloft, and designating PCS as 'non-aeronautical'. There are specific bands designated Aeronautical. Use them. | I will try to investigate with the FCC. Best wishes. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 13:45:59 -0500 From: colonel@monmouth.com (He Comes As No Surprise) Subject: Re: V and H coordinate to/from latitude and longitude In , jra@baylink.com wrote: > On 19 Feb 2001 17:46:54 -0500, I wrote: > > > > Try looking slower! It's in volume 17, issue 57. > > Oh. It's inline in a message... not in "the Telecom Archives", a > collection of files stored at mirror.lcs.mit.edu. Sorry about the confusion! Back issues are also stored at M.I.T., and I think of them as part of the archives. The L.L.-to-V.H. conversion program is in an earlier back issue-- I don't know which. - -:- Did you risk life and limb To play the banjo Or compose a bad hymn To a beautiful toe ? - -- Col. G. L. Sicherman home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com work: sicherman@lucent.com web: - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 14:23:40 -0500 From: leob@best.com (Leonid A. Broukhis) Subject: Re: 700 Calls Linc Madison writes: >Each long-distance carrier gets to do whatever it pleases with 700 >numbers, with the exception of 700-555-4141, which is reserved for >carrier verification. I wish. When I dial 700-555-4141 on my phone for which I get long distance bills from "011 Communications"/"International Plus", I invariably get a busy tone. When I dial 00, I get an MCI operator. Why isn't there a phone number that one can dial and get an automated response (from the "dial-tone provider", and not the long-distance provider) in the form 10-xxx or 101-yyyy ? Leo - -- *** Lifelike Entity Optimized for Nocturnal Infiltration and Destruction aka Leonid - --- For-pay Internet distributed processing. http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=14486 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 17:25:43 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: RE: Telephone line voltage?? On 22 Feb 2001 08:05:00 -0500 Steve Hayes wrote: > In V2001 #10, "Paul" asked > > >Anyone have a similar problem or have heard of this: > > > >VTECH phone model 2431 > > > >I get this message Parallel Set In Use! . After doing a unit reset, the > >company insists it must be a problem with line voltage???? > > > >So I come to you guys with this problem....The phone is expecting a > >"certain" line voltage and it isn't getting it? Although I can use the > phone > >but I get the above message. There are no other sets in use. > > > >1) How can I test for this "so-called" irregular line voltage and fix it? > >2) What could be causing this anomaly, if it is at all. > >3) School me a bit on this??? > > Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook should be about 40 to 55 > volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and ring (in the USA, > normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure between all the > different wires and note the highest DC voltage you see. [ ... text deleted ... ] The nominal voltage supplied at the c.o. is 48v. At 20K feet from the c.o. it will be a lot lower. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 18:57:08 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: 700 Calls In article <973olj$a8n$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>, Leonid A. Broukhis wrote: > Linc Madison writes: > > >Each long-distance carrier gets to do whatever it pleases with 700 > >numbers, with the exception of 700-555-4141, which is reserved for > >carrier verification. > > I wish. When I dial 700-555-4141 on my phone for which I get long > distance bills from "011 Communications"/"International Plus", I > invariably get a busy tone. When I dial 00, I get an MCI operator. I only said that it is reserved for that purpose, not necessarily that it actually works for that purpose. If "011 Communications" put a sex chat line or something on 1-700-555-4141, they'd be in trouble. On the other hand, I had an account for a while with AOL Long Distance, which was provided by The Phone Company (their actual d.b.a.) as a reseller of AT&T. If I dialed 1-700-555-4141, I got a recording thanking me for choosing AT&T; I had to dial 1-700-555-4110 to get a recording that mentioned TPC. "011 Communications" probably has a similar set-up, except that they've blocked 4141 for you. If you call the customer service number and ask, they might tell you some other 1-700-555-41xx number to dial for carrier verification. > Why isn't there a phone number that one can dial and get an automated > response (from the "dial-tone provider", and not the long-distance > provider) in the form 10-xxx or 101-yyyy ? Well, there are no numbers you can dial, period, in the form 10-xxx, for any purpose whatsoever. All former 10-xxx codes are now 101-0xxx (note the placement of the separator). They are advertised as "ten-ten" codes, but there are also 101-5xxx and 101-6xxx codes, with the other ranges to be opened at some point when people have sufficiently forgotten about 10-xxx and/or when they start running low on 101-[0/5/6]xxx codes. As to why the LEC doesn't tell you what IXC you have, I'm sure that's a "branding" issue -- the IXC wants to play its little jingle for you. Also, it's much easier for the LEC to simply hand off all non-intra-LATA calls, including all 700 calls, to the appropriate IXC (your choice, except for toll-free, 500, and 900) and let them deal with it. I suppose the LEC could just have an automated readback of the numeric code of your carrier, but some of them don't want you to know, and it would be a duplication of effort for the LEC to keep a whole set of verification recordings for anything beyond the 101-xxxx code (i.e., "The Phone Company" instead of "one-oh-one-six-seven-four-six"). - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Feb 2001 21:06:11 -0500 From: "Marshall A. Levin" Subject: Re: 700 Calls Well, I've discovered something rather strange with this 700 carrier identification number. I decided to try this on my Verizon Wireless cell phone. When I make long distance calls on my cell phone they are billed as Verizon Wireless Long Distance (or Regional) -- I can't choose my long distance carrier. I always figured they just used Verizon's own long distance service. So from my 617-area cell phone I dialed 1-700-555-4141 and was surprised to hear the announcement for Sprint's long distance service. I was even more surprised when I dialed 0-700-555-4141 and got an announcement for AT&T's long distance service! Why would Verizon be routing calls to two of its competitors (especially since they don't allow you to choose your provider and could easily -- and legally? -- force you to use theirs)? Very strange indeed... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 00:21:45 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: 700 Calls >I decided to try this on my Verizon Wireless cell phone. When I make long >distance calls on my cell phone they are billed as Verizon Wireless Long >Distance (or Regional) -- I can't choose my long distance carrier. I always >figured they just used Verizon's own long distance service. > >So from my 617-area cell phone I dialed 1-700-555-4141 and was surprised to >hear the announcement for Sprint's long distance service. I was even more >surprised when I dialed 0-700-555-4141 and got an announcement for AT&T's >long distance service! VZ only provides long distance in New York; I gather they withdrew their application in Mass. because they knew their record of provisioning DSL was so awful they'd get shot down over it. They probably resell Sprint for regular long distance, and AT&T for operator services. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #14 ******************************* Date: 24 Feb 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #15 Telecom Digest Saturday, February 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 015 In this issue: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? N2H2 stops selling student Web-surfing data RE: Telephone line voltage?? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: 700 Calls Re: 700 Calls Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #14 Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Telephone line voltage? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Feb 2001 09:48:05 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: >It was 22 Feb 2001 12:14:35 -0500, and laird@freedom.ecn.purdue.edu >(Kyler Laird) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: >| jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: >| >| >Frequency reuse DOES NOT define a system as cellular! >| >| >| >| Give your definition, then. >| >| >Frequency reuse is only a part of the definiton. 'Cells' >| >are interconnected and permit automatic handoffs to other >| >cells. The comm radios you referred to are set by the >| >operator to a channel. They are not 'cellular'. >| >| So...you'd like to ban the airborne use of IEEE 802.11b >| devices? >I am not banning anything. I am not the FCC, nor the FAA. >As far as the specifics, you are getting off track again. >What band? The FCC doesn't care if you yodel on an aircraft >as long as it is not on a band that is not designated >properly. O.k., then we're running back around the circle. It was said that all cellular phones should be banned for airborne use (because they use cellular technology) and it shouldn't matter what band they use (among the AMPS/PCS/SMR/... devices). Now you're saying that you like the way that it is now. That's fine. I have no argument with that. We just don't have a concensus yet. >Neither did I suggest banning all cellular radio devices. >Nor did anyone else suggest that *all* devices utilizing a >cell like infrastructure be banned airborne. sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: >What makes no sense is that the FCC allocated and auctioned off additional >frequencies but didn't extend the existing rules to cover the new frequencies. >Please try to read more. I realize that in this monster >thread you have written more than your share. Perhaps >you should try reading? I'd love to. There's been only one decent reference written here on the subject. The rest has been a bunch of blather trying to distort the issue. Post a good reference and let's get somewhere. >It does seem that all you want >is a fight here. I'd prefer a concensus. >Funny how there is no "AMPS band" in the table of allotments. >(I hear they do a nice cover of Hootie, but I digress.) What would you like me to say? "The band on which the AMPS devices operate?" This is the wording I used when discussing it with the FCC, so I assumed it was fairly clear. >Please don't complain about specifics in the CFRs then get >sloppy. If you want this whittled down to something that >an EE professor (or law) would accept keep focused. Gladly. >Part 22 Cellular Telephones are banned from airborne use, >SPECIFICALY - no doubt. Yup, I have no problem understanding that. (Well, there *are* exceptions, but let's not get into that for this thread.) >The PCS band is specifically designated for MOBILE except >aeronautical mobile. Other bands have similar designations. >See 47CFR2.105 for details. Will do. More specific references (for "the band formerly known as the one that supports iDEN devices" is what I'm after) would help, but I'll try to dig in soon. Thank you. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 12:44:35 -0500 From: bennett@peacefire.org Subject: N2H2 stops selling student Web-surfing data [sent to journalists on Peacefire's press contacts list] Yesterday N2H2, makers of the popular school blocking software program "Bess", announced that they would stop selling data that had been gathered by tracking the surfing habits of students: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010222/tc/kids_privacy_1.html Since 1999, N2H2 had been aggregating the data gathered from monitoring students whose Internet access was filtered by Bess, and selling its "Class Clicks" reports based on that data. The monthly reports cost $15,000 per year. An N2H2 spokesperson said that personally indentifiable information about individual students was not collected or sold. N2H2 had come under fire for selling students' Web-surfing data in the last few months, with one of their most vocal critics being Nancy Willard, a researcher at the Center for Advanced Technology in Education at the University of Oregon. In the last few weeks, her criticisms attracted more high-profile attention: http://www.edweek.org/ew/ewstory.cfm?slug=21filter.h20 http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2678941,00.html One of the purchasers of the "Class Clicks" data was the Department of Defense, which said at the time that they thought it would be "appealing" to find out how students were using military Web sites. The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC.org) has filed Freedom Of Information Act and Open Records Act requests to find out more about how schools using Bess were collecting the data, and how the Department of Defense was using it. Their FOIA request is at: http://www.epic.org/open_gov/dodfoian2h2.html Most of Peacefire's reports have focused on the different issue of the inaccuracy in Bess's Web site blocking (our report at http://www.peacefire.org/censorware/BESS/second-1000-com-domains.html concluded that about 20% of .com sites blocked by Bess were errors, and we also listed sites blocked by Bess in our two most recent reports at http://www.peacefire.org/amnesty-intercepted/ and http://www.peacefire.org/blind-ballots/ ). The advertising and overblocking issues are intertwined, though, since Bess uses its "You have been blocked" page to display ads to students, meaning that the more sites they blocked, the more ad revenue they earned. (Bess was also the only blocking program that blocked all free home page sites by default -- accounting for a large proportion of the complaints we received from students who tried to access a research-related site, only to find it blocked and replaced with a sponsored advertisement.) -Bennett bennett@peacefire.org http://www.peacefire.org (425) 649 9024 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 13:29:31 -0500 From: "Steve Hayes" Subject: RE: Telephone line voltage?? In response to a recent question about a phone which wrongly detected that there was another phone off-hook on the same line, I wrote (Telecom Digest V2001 #14): me>> Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook should be about 40 me>> to 55 volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and ring me>> (in the USA, normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure me>> between all the different wires and note the highest DC voltage me>> you see. In the same Telecom Digest, Wes Leatherock remarked: wes> The nominal voltage supplied at the c.o. is 48v. At wes> 20K feet from the c.o. it will be a lot lower. No not really, Wes. With the phones on hook, only leakage currents should flow. FCC Part 68 limits these to around 5 microamps per phone. Even with a number of phones on the longest possible line, the leakage current will only pull the voltage down by a fraction of a volt. If you see anything lower than 40V, you can be pretty confident that either the line is supplied with a lower voltage or there is something seriously wrong with it. (One exception to this would be where there is another subscriber piggybacked on the line with one of the devices I mentioned in the original message. These devices are installed by the telco and can draw several milliamps while the line is not in use - the Central Office line circuit may need to be adjusted to ignore this current.) Once you take a phone off-hook, the voltage will drop a great deal, even if you are very close to the Central Office. You can be pretty confident it will be below 24V. Now the line length comes into play and the voltage will *tend* to be lower on a longer line. There are many different possible designs of phone (even within the FCC Part 68 requirements) and several different types of battery-feed circuits can be used at the Central Office so it isn't really possible to say much more than this about the off-hook line voltage without getting into a lot of ifs and ands. Along with the variation in supply voltages, this is what makes it hard to make a device that can reliably tell if another phone is using the line under all conditions without adjusting it for the particular line it is on. Hence the original problem which kicked off this thread. Steve Hayes South Wales, UK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 14:02:06 -0500 From: "John Willkie" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Unlike the usual standard in US law, the Communications Act is quite different: if a communications is not AUTHORIZED, it is clearly PROHIBITED. Slightly skimming over an FCC rule is inadequate for analysis. You have to first be VERY comfortable with the Communications Act of 1934 (as amended) as that is what gives the FCC the authority to regulate. If congress does not give the FCC the power, the FCC lacks it. Also, as any student of law knows, treaties have more power than anything in the US aside from the Constitution. Beyond rules, you also have to read the case law, both in the FCC administrative law courts, and in the cases appealed to the US Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. (A few cases originate in District court due to a few loopholes.) The prudent person, when reading the FCC rules on a particular service, starts with the charts in the first section of the rules that shows the ITU classification for a particular frequency band, the uses for that band in this part of the world, and then the FCC classification. Also quite important are the "loopholes" which are usually designated with a "USG" for those applying to the United States Government, and "NG" for non-governmental users. For at least one participant in this thread, ignorance of all the above is a blissful experience. John Willkie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 14:47:12 -0500 From: hswhitaker@excelonline.com Subject: Re: 700 Calls |>I decided to try this on my Verizon Wireless cell phone. When I make long |>distance calls on my cell phone they are billed as Verizon Wireless Long |>Distance (or Regional) -- I can't choose my long distance carrier. I always |>figured they just used Verizon's own long distance service. |> |>So from my 617-area cell phone I dialed 1-700-555-4141 and was surprised to |>hear the announcement for Sprint's long distance service. I was even more |>surprised when I dialed 0-700-555-4141 and got an announcement for AT&T's |>long distance service! |VZ only provides long distance in New York; I gather they withdrew their |application in Mass. because they knew their record of provisioning DSL |was so awful they'd get shot down over it. | |They probably resell Sprint for regular long distance, and AT&T for |operator services. If y'all remember, VZ also sells LD in the former GTE states. However, the key here is that VZ does not own their own long lines network. They resell someone else's LD network (was MCI, not sure who it is today). Also, VZ wireless used to have to treat other parts of VZ at arm's length - like strangers. So setting up contracts on which LD would be their partner meant getting the best deal from whomever offered it rather than buying from VZ LD. Does that make sense (in a regulated and perverted sort of way)? Heidi Whitaker P.S. I just recently found that the Digest is back on line. Thank you all for getting it back going and my best to Pat as his situation sorts out. ______________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE Web based email account now at http://mail.mailexcel.com - - and send and receive emails worldwide! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:57:21 -0500 From: "Glenn C. Lasher Jr." Subject: Re: 700 Calls To add another data point to this discussion, on my Sprint PCS phone, 700-5555 announces "Thank you for using the Bell Atlantic network." 700-555-4141 or 1-700-555-4141 says, "Welcome to the Sprint long distance network" and 0-700-555-4141 gets me a Sprint PCS operator. On 23 Feb 2001 hswhitaker@excelonline.com wrote: > > |>I decided to try this on my Verizon Wireless cell phone. When I make long > |>distance calls on my cell phone they are billed as Verizon Wireless Long > |>Distance (or Regional) -- I can't choose my long distance carrier. I always > |>figured they just used Verizon's own long distance service. > |> > |>So from my 617-area cell phone I dialed 1-700-555-4141 and was surprised to > |>hear the announcement for Sprint's long distance service. I was even more > |>surprised when I dialed 0-700-555-4141 and got an announcement for AT&T's > |>long distance service! > > |VZ only provides long distance in New York; I gather they withdrew their > |application in Mass. because they knew their record of provisioning DSL > |was so awful they'd get shot down over it. > | > |They probably resell Sprint for regular long distance, and AT&T for > |operator services. > > If y'all remember, VZ also sells LD in the former GTE states. However, the key here is that VZ does not own their own long lines network. They resell someone else's LD network (was MCI, not sure who it is today). Also, VZ wireless used to have to treat other parts of VZ at arm's length - like strangers. So setting up contracts on which LD would be their partner meant getting the best deal from whomever offered it rather than buying from VZ LD. Does that make sense (in a regulated and perverted sort of way)? > > Heidi Whitaker > > P.S. I just recently found that the Digest is back on line. Thank you all for getting it back going and my best to Pat as his situation sorts out. > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE Web based email account now at http://mail.mailexcel.com > - and send and receive emails worldwide! > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- glasher@nycap.rr.com After 163 days, Verizon still couln't deliver Telocity DSL. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 15:57:39 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "John Willkie" writes: >You really don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. Occham's razor takes a mighty slash... >A CELLULAR >telephone is usable in Europe, amigo. Bring it into the US and use it on an >airliner. The use of such a device is subject to US law. Please direct me to a European provider of cellular phone service that supports phones that operate on the same band as our AMPS phones ("FCC Cellular Telephones"). >You must be about 14 and heading south. Your powers of perception are overwhelming. >By the way, I have twenty years experience (plus) practicing before and >researching the FCC. Great! I'd appreciate it if you'd share some of your vast knowledge. >Im'm sure you have seven days -- or less. Does that change anything? Is there a special badge for those of you who have put in your time? Does it let you change the FCC rules? >When the >FCC's enforcement branch and US marshalls come avisiting and destroy your >equipment with their axes, you'll have a very enlightening experience. It'd be interesting to watch them try to hit a typical cell phone with an axe. Heck, it'd be worth it to me if I could just take a picture. I've got a cell phone that I'm willing to donate. Send 'em over. >You will also discover that the use of a cellular telephone is an air safety >issue. Oh? You have some more references? Can it cause magnetos to stop working or an alternator to stop functioning? That's about all I care about during VFR flight. >If their Their what? >is an air marshall on the flight, I'll be sure to ask before taking off. >and you do not turn off >the phone, they will shoot you dead (with bullets that won't penetrate the >fuselage) because you have put the lives of many humans on the ground and in >the air in jeopardy. Hmmm...seems like interesting logic that they'd be willing to shoot the pilot because he's using a phone that isn't about to cause any problems. They'd better know how to land the plane. >If there is no air marshall, the pilot can land at the nearest airport. You >will be immediately taken into custody and after spending about $50,000 on >attorney's fees, you will be sentenced to 10 years (or more) in Federal >prison. Then, the airline and the passengers will sue you for all sorts of >offenses. It's always lots of fun to defend civil suits in jail. More likely, someone at the FBO would just laugh his ass off when I tell him that I'm turning myself in for using a cell phone on the way over. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 16:13:44 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "John Willkie" writes: >Slightly skimming over an FCC rule is inadequate for analysis. Indeed, this was all started because someone took the airborne prohibition text of Part 22 and tried to blindly apply it to all cell phones. >The prudent person, when reading the FCC rules on a particular service, >starts with the charts in the first section of the rules that shows the ITU >classification for a particular frequency band, the uses for that band in >this part of the world, and then the FCC classification. Also quite >important are the "loopholes" which are usually designated with a "USG" for >those applying to the United States Government, and "NG" for >non-governmental users. I'm assuming that you are calling yourself a prudent person, so please provide your findings on the subject. Some URLs that the rest of us can look at would be great. I'm having a heck of a time getting stuff from the GPO website the last couple of days, so direct links would be a big help. Thank you. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 16:24:15 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) writes: > >[...] (because they use cellular technology) [...] >[...] The rest has been a bunch of blather trying to distort the issue. [...] Who besides you has been using the non-specific phrase "cellular technology"? You might as well go ahead and call it "Aerospace Technology" for all the generalities it encompases. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 17:10:13 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? It was 23 Feb 2001 09:48:05 -0500, and laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: | >I am not banning anything. I am not the FCC, nor the FAA. | | >As far as the specifics, you are getting off track again. | >What band? The FCC doesn't care if you yodel on an aircraft | >as long as it is not on a band that is not designated | >properly. | | O.k., then we're running back around the circle. It was said | that all cellular phones should be banned for airborne use | (because they use cellular technology) and it shouldn't matter | what band they use (among the AMPS/PCS/SMR/... devices). I believe you read too much into the comment that was made. It was not an attack on cellular technology but one on what most people commonly refer to "cellular phones". | Now you're saying that you like the way that it is now. | That's fine. I have no argument with that. We just don't | have a concensus yet. I'm not attempting to express an opinion on what *should* be banned or permitted. I am expressing what *is* banned and what service bands are designated for airborne use. | >Neither did I suggest banning all cellular radio devices. | >Nor did anyone else suggest that *all* devices utilizing a | >cell like infrastructure be banned airborne. | | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) writes: | | >What makes no sense is that the FCC allocated and auctioned | >off additional frequencies but didn't extend the existing | >rules to cover the new frequencies. Personally I believe that the rules do not specifically have to ban airborne use of PCS since the PCS band is designated *not* for aeronautical mobile. Steve's quote isn't an attack on all 'cell like infrastructure'. | There's been only one decent reference written here on the | subject. The rest has been a bunch of blather trying to | distort the issue. Post a good reference and let's get | somewhere. Reading intent into words is dangerous. Are you claiming that some here are "trying to distort the issue"? I do not believe distortion is the *intent* of any poster here. | >It does seem that all you want is a fight here. | | I'd prefer a concensus. I believe we had a concensus. Most here believe that "cell phones" of any technology should not be used aloft. | >Funny how there is no "AMPS band" in the table of allotments. | >(I hear they do a nice cover of Hootie, but I digress.) | | What would you like me to say? "The band on which the AMPS | devices operate?" This is the wording I used when discussing | it with the FCC, so I assumed it was fairly clear. It is the Cellular Radiotelephone Band (800MHz) that most "cell phones" operate in. AMPS service is required of the license holders in that band, but the band is not resticted to AMPS. PCS type service is also permitted in 800MHz to the extent that it does not interfere with AMPS service. | >Part 22 Cellular Telephones are banned from airborne use, | >SPECIFICALY - no doubt. | | Yup, I have no problem understanding that. (Well, there | *are* exceptions, but let's not get into that for this thread.) Only if you get confused between anything that uses cell based technology and what are commonly called cellular telephones. | >The PCS band is specifically designated for MOBILE except | >aeronautical mobile. Other bands have similar designations. | >See 47CFR2.105 for details. | | Will do. More specific references (for "the band formerly | known as the one that supports iDEN devices" is what I'm | after) would help, but I'll try to dig in soon. We could call it [symbol]. Wouldn't be an unfitting name considering the made up names in use in the wireless comm community. (What is a Verizon or a Cingular? :-) ) JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 17:59:06 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use By BOB BREWIN (February 23, 2001) Add the Tulsa International Airport in Oklahoma to the growing list of airports around the nation planning to more closely manage wireless service on their premises. That means tighter controls on the use of cell phones and wireless networks used by laptop-toting travelers, and even on communications by airline employees. http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58035,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 21:02:47 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Kyler Laird wrote: "Please direct me to a European provider of cellular phone service that supports phones that operate on the same band as our AMPS phones ("FCC Cellular Telephones")." That would depend on whether or not any of the manufacturers are making "world phones" that work on 800 MHz AMPS as well as 900 and/or 1800 MHz GSM. I haven't heard of any yet, but that doesn't prove that they don't exist. (Such a phone would be very little different from the ones that *are* sold here for both 800 MHz AMPS and 1900 MHz GSM.) "It'd be interesting to watch them try to hit a typical cell phone with an axe. Heck, it'd be worth it to me if I could just take a picture." I could be a real smart ass and ask just what *is* a "typical" cell phone, since there are still "transportable" 3W AMPS jobs around. In any case, if you have a small phone, the U.S. Marshals would probably use a small ax(e) if it came to that. "Oh? You have some more references? Can it cause magnetos to stop working or an alternator to stop functioning? That's about all I care about during VFR flight." Airliners operate under IFR whenever they're above a certain altitude, and usually do so on the way up and down as well, even in VMC. The vast majority of the arguments over in-flight wireless phones concern airline operations. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 22:55:53 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? >| I'm not the one who suggested banning airborne use of all >| celluar radio devices (and then excepting out things like >| satellite services). > > Neither did I suggest banning all cellular radio devices. > Nor did anyone else suggest that *all* devices utilizing a > cell like infrastructure be banned airborne. Then I will suggest it. AFAICT, the problem of swamping the public switched network (and the cell user's home switch) with registration attempts over a huge area applies to all such devices. Perhaps the cellular providers, rather than the FCC, should be the ones to issue the ban, but they're senseless if they don't, and I very much doubt that you'd be able to do anything useful with a cell phone in a flying aircraft anyway, even if it were allowed. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 23:02:49 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use > http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58035,00.html Since this is openly motivated by the loss of payphone revenue, it ought to be quickly stopped by the antitrust enforcement people. Where are they? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2001 23:26:45 -0500 From: Thaddeus Cox Subject: RE: Telecom Digest V2001 #14 Interesting. My 503-based Verizon phone (formerly Airtouch; I imagine your phone was formerly something else) returns Sprint's announcement when I dial 1-700-555-4141, however I get Global Crossing when I dial with 0-700. Tad - -----Original Message----- Date: 22 Feb 2001 21:06:11 -0500 From: "Marshall A. Levin" Subject: Re: 700 Calls Well, I've discovered something rather strange with this 700 carrier identification number. I decided to try this on my Verizon Wireless cell phone. When I make long distance calls on my cell phone they are billed as Verizon Wireless Long Distance (or Regional) -- I can't choose my long distance carrier. I always figured they just used Verizon's own long distance service. So from my 617-area cell phone I dialed 1-700-555-4141 and was surprised to hear the announcement for Sprint's long distance service. I was even more surprised when I dialed 0-700-555-4141 and got an announcement for AT&T's long distance service! Why would Verizon be routing calls to two of its competitors (especially since they don't allow you to choose your provider and could easily -- and legally? -- force you to use theirs)? Very strange indeed... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 2001 01:10:44 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? It was 23 Feb 2001 22:55:53 -0500, and John David Galt wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | > Nor did anyone else suggest that *all* devices utilizing a | > cell like infrastructure be banned airborne. | | Then I will suggest it. Thanks Mr. Galt. You just suggested a ban on Air-Ground Radiotelephone Service. Not all cell like infrastructure is bad. Part 22 Air-Ground is designed for airborne use with tower sites hundreds of miles apart and frequencies specifically assigned to each cell. [47 CFR 22.813 / 22.857] While I do not believe handoffs are done (at this time) the system does use a system of control-paging channels and voice channels that are selected by the system not the user and would allow a call in either direction. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 2001 01:30:00 -0500 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: Re: Telephone line voltage? Wes Leatherock wrote: > > Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook should be about 40 to 55 > > volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and ring (in the USA, > > normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure between all the > > different wires and note the highest DC voltage you see. > > [ ... text deleted ... ] > > The nominal voltage supplied at the c.o. is 48v. At > 20K feet from the c.o. it will be a lot lower. Not in the on-hook ("with no phones off hook" as mentioned above) state. The voltage only gets lower further from the CO when you are off-hook. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #15 ******************************* Date: 25 Feb 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #16 Telecom Digest Sunday, February 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 016 In this issue: Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use 2/24/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Telephone line voltage?? Re: Telephone line voltage? Dial-Up Access Getting Faster Modem maker hears V.92's call to action Sorry, Wrong Number: Why Your Phone Company Hates DSL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Feb 2001 10:14:12 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use Monty Solomon writes: >From: Monty Solomon >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use >Date: 23 Feb 2001 17:59:06 -0500 >Lines: 14 > >Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use > >By BOB BREWIN >(February 23, 2001) Add the Tulsa International Airport in Oklahoma >to the growing list of airports around the nation planning to more >closely manage wireless service on their premises. That means tighter >controls on the use of cell phones and wireless networks used by >laptop-toting travelers, and even on communications by airline >employees. > >http://www.computerworld.com/cwi/story/0,1199,NAV47_STO58035,00.html Someone mentioned anti-trust but this isn't any different than a movie theatre or sports facilities that won't let patrons bring in their own food and beverages. The real issues is that this airport (like most airports) is run by a public authority which likely was created by an elected legisilative body to provide for the public interest in operating an airport. While one may argue that revenues from payphones are used to subsidize other activites more primary to the function of air travel, it's a pretty big stretch to say that the use of telecom devices is not an integral part of business and personal travel for the majority of airport users. (Of course this has never stopped airport authorities from jacking up the prices of food and, in some places, toilets.) In fact, many airports have been moving toward making their food and retail more varied and competitive in an effort to engage the travelling public in "recreational shopping" rather than just grabbing a newspaper and a souvenir coffee mug for the office. Similarly, one would think that airports would want to make their environments more conducive to having travellers arrive earlier, spend money, conduct business meetings, etc. At least Tulsa is viewing this as an opportunity to make up for lost payphone revenues by charging fees to the wireless companies to locate on-premises equipment which will improve the density of coverage. That does not sound unreasonable. And, just like siting towers, the wireless operators have a choice of whether to spend money to lease space or facilities within an airport (where the customers are) or to try to maintain coverage from antennas in adjacent off-airport locations. My primary point, however, remains that public authorities should not be allowed to lose sight of their mandate to act in the public interest. Cynical responses are both welcome and expected. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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After doing a unit reset, the > >company insists it must be a problem with line voltage???? > > > >So I come to you guys with this problem....The phone is expecting a > >"certain" line voltage and it isn't getting it? Although I can use the > phone > >but I get the above message. There are no other sets in use. > > > >1) How can I test for this "so-called" irregular line voltage and fix it? > >2) What could be causing this anomaly, if it is at all. > >3) School me a bit on this??? > > Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook should be about 40 to 55 > volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and ring (in the USA, > normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure between all the > different wires and note the highest DC voltage you see. > > Most likely the phone is looking for this voltage and complaining because > it sees something lower. It then assumes that another phone on the same > line is off-hook. > > Perhaps this isn't a terribly good idea because there are a number of > cases where the voltage is normally less, even with all phones on-hook: > > Some PBXs use a lower voltage, e.g. 24V. The 48V (nominal) is needed to > force enough current through the resistance of several miles of wire > between the central office and the phone. Lines connected to PBXs are > usually going to be much shorter. > > The other common case is where the line is supplied through some sort of > "pair gain" system. Analogue systems have been around for many years which > allow one extra subscriber to be piggybacked onto an existing line or to > allow up to 8 subscribers to share one line (not as a party line). Power > is a problem in these systems where all the phones are being supplied > over a single line. These systems usually supply only about 12V to save > power - only very short lines can extend from the remote box to the > subscriber's phone. > > There are now many digital equivalents which I am not familiar with but > very likely some of these also use a low voltage to save power. > > As a matter of interest (not relevant to this problem) some Central > Offices use 96V to supply very long lines in rural areas. > > It is quite likely that the line causing the problem falls into one of > these cases. Of course, the voltage sensing circuit in the phone may > be faulty. > > Steve Hayes > South Wales, UK > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Feb 2001 19:44:25 -0500 From: "s2p" Subject: Re: Telephone line voltage? "Tad Cook" wrote in message news:002501c09e2b$5e796410$617937cf@paul25jszwyri9... > Wes Leatherock wrote: > > > > Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook > should be about 40 to 55 > > > volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and > ring (in the USA, > > > normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure > between all the > > > different wires and note the highest DC voltage you > see. > > > > [ ... text deleted ... ] > > > > The nominal voltage supplied at the c.o. is 48v. At > > 20K feet from the c.o. it will be a lot lower. > == It's 24 2.1 volt lead-acid cells in series = 50.4 volts with no load. == > Not in the on-hook ("with no phones off hook" as mentioned > above) state. > > The voltage only gets lower further from the CO when you > are off-hook. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2001 02:50:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Dial-Up Access Getting Faster FAST FORWARD Dial-Up Access Getting Faster By Kevin Savetz Special to The Washington Post Friday, February 23, 2001; Page E01 A new breed of modem -- referred to by the decidedly unmemorable moniker of "V.92" -- is appearing on computer stores' shelves. It promises to add convenient features and squeeze every last ounce of speed from analog telephone lines. But don't rush to upgrade just yet - -- it will be a while before Internet service providers support this new standard. http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A44111-2001Feb22.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2001 02:52:09 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Modem maker hears V.92's call to action Modem maker hears V.92's call to action By Richard Shim Special to CNET News.com February 22, 2001, 8:15 a.m. PT The PC modem is far from dead, thanks to a new dial-up standard that promises increased speed and other features that partially narrow the performance gap with broadband services. U.S. Robotics announced Wednesday that it has completed testing of modems based on the new V.92 standard, ratified late last year by the International Telecommunication Union. The modem chipmaker plans to ship products by the end of the first quarter. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-202-4915760-0.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2001 02:58:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sorry, Wrong Number: Why Your Phone Company Hates DSL Sorry, Wrong Number Why Your Phone Company Hates DSL By Robert X. Cringely My next-door neighbor is an engineer who works for Cisco Systems doing something having to do with optical networking. Like me, he has been frustrated by the problems of rural Web surfing. But unlike me, he is honest about his situation. "I'm a bandwidth junky," he says. Give the man DSL and he'll want a T-1. Give him a T-1 and he'll lust for a T-3. And the truth is we are all that way. Everyone I know would like a faster Internet connection. That's the attraction of DSL, which is the fastest connection at a good price that most of us can get. Yet DSL is to many people a disappointment because it can be so hard to get in the first place and often hard to keep running. Both of these problems can be traced back to a source that isn't your ISP and probably isn't your DSL provider, either. The problem is your phone company. http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20010222.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #16 ******************************* Date: 26 Feb 2001 06:15:16 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #17 Telecom Digest Monday, February 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 017 In this issue: Crazy calls Re: Telephone line voltage? Re: Crazy calls ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Feb 2001 08:49:08 -0500 From: "Sharp" Subject: Crazy calls I'm hoping one of you folks can help with a long standing and ongoing problem one of my neighbors is plagued with. She has been receiving many telephone calls at all hours, sometimes very repetitive in a short time, and sometimes weeks apart. These 'calls' have seized the line, not allowing outgoing calls and seized the line while someone is using the phone. There is little to no sound other than clicking. She recently got caller ID and here are some of the 'calls' This one came in at 99:99pm on 27/99 6 0 850000 and next line alternating between ) & " 64 $ * C / - 3 and call forward this one repeated 7 times, the last one at 99:15pm on 2/99 ] 70- 9000 1142 % ' > 4 % > 6 HM ? # Y K \ this one at 73:34 on 83/68 000 44 55 453 445522 this one repeated 5 times, last at 16:53pm 1/08 - 0 -C - and alternated between call forward and H0B " $ 4 and last 79:51pm on 76/99 [] 35 - 33 - 9000 1002 by the way - the caller ID works fine on 'normal' calls and Valor telecom (our local provider) offers no help. der) offers no help. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2001 10:49:22 -0500 From: George White Subject: Re: Telephone line voltage? On 24 Feb 2001, Tad Cook wrote: > Wes Leatherock wrote: > > > > Usually, the line voltage with no phones off hook > should be about 40 to 55 > > > volts. If you have a voltmeter, measure between tip and > ring (in the USA, > > > normally red and green wires). If in doubt, measure > between all the > > > different wires and note the highest DC voltage you > see. > > > > [ ... text deleted ... ] > > > > The nominal voltage supplied at the c.o. is 48v. At > > 20K feet from the c.o. it will be a lot lower. > > Not in the on-hook ("with no phones off hook" as mentioned > above) state. > > The voltage only gets lower further from the CO when you > are off-hook. Arris Voiceport boxes (used for constant bitrate cable telephony) come in two versions, one 25v. and one 45v. I know this because the installers put in a 25v. box. My line isolators did not work until the 25v. box was swapped out with the 45v. model. I assume the reason for having two models is to conserve power, which is supplied by a DC pair attached to the coax from a pole-mounted box that serves a number of houses. - -- George White Halifax, Nova Scotia - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Feb 2001 20:55:29 -0500 From: Dale Farmer Subject: Re: Crazy calls Sharp wrote: > I'm hoping one of you folks can help with a long standing and ongoing problem one of my neighbors is plagued with. She has been receiving many telephone calls at all hours, sometimes very repetitive in a short time, and sometimes weeks apart. These 'calls' have seized the line, not allowing outgoing calls and seized the line while someone is using the phone. There is little to no sound other than clicking. She recently got caller ID and here are some of the 'calls' > > This one came in at 99:99pm on 27/99 > 6 0 850000 > and next line alternating between > ) & " 64 $ * C / - 3 > and > call forward > > this one repeated 7 times, the last one at 99:15pm on 2/99 > ] 70- 9000 1142 > % ' > 4 % > 6 HM ? # Y K \ > > this one at 73:34 on 83/68 > 000 44 55 453 445522 > > this one repeated 5 times, last at 16:53pm 1/08 > - 0 -C - > and alternated between > call forward > and > H0B " $ 4 > > and last > 79:51pm on 76/99 > [] 35 - 33 - 9000 1002 > > by the way - the caller ID works fine on 'normal' calls and Valor telecom (our local provider) offers no help. > > der) offers no help. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. What is the environment? City, suburb, country? Is she the first owner of the house? USA or elsewhere? First thought was that someone or something is using her line. Look down in the basement for a security system. Is the phone connected to that? If in a city or suburb, may have a partial short to another pair or something like that. Her pair may also connect to another house. Has anyone moved in or out on her street about the time it started? Basically you gotta beat up the local phone co about it. Get them to run a diagnostic on the line. Before you do that, do a complete PM of the house wiring. Reconnect all the wires, disconnect unused wires. Remove phone sets in turn to deduce if the phones are acting wonky. --Dale - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #17 ******************************* Date: 27 Feb 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #18 Telecom Digest Tuesday, February 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 018 In this issue: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #17 - Oddball calls. Telecom Update (Canada) #272, February 26, 2001 Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use 2/26/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:47:41 -0500 From: glen.morgan@convergys.com Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #17 - Oddball calls. In addtion to checking for a security system that's dialing out, you might also want to check for a cable provider's system. My local cable provider insisted on running a line from the cable box to a jack, so that the cable box could "dial in" at night and upload information to the provider. It started causing problems with my phone, so I disconnected it. You could probably also connect the caller id (it is a battery operated version?) on the network box coming into the house. My local ILEC uses an outside mounted network box, where the pair coming in from the alley pedestal that has a RJ11 connector that plugs in, and then the house wiring is connected from terminals that are attached to the RJ11 jack. If you disconnect the alley pair, and run it into the caller id, and then plug a patch wire from the caller id box back into the house wiring you should still capture clid info, but you'll be getting straight from the provider. You could also do this overnight, and not connect the cross wire, and see if you get the same results. This is also a wonderful time to connect a phone to the alley pair and see if you are getting a ground hum, or static or anything else that might indicate pair problems from the provider. Best of luck. Glenn Morgan Converygs Corporation IT Geek. - -- NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2001 13:53:11 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #272, February 26, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 272: February 26, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Municipalities Appeal Right-of-Way Ruling ** MTS Overstates Bell Intrigna Lines ** Call-Net Revenue Down, EBITDA Up ** Bell Hikes Business DSL Speed ** Avaya to Outsource Manufacturing ** Rogers Announces Wireless Data Services ** Investors Sue Nortel ** Comments Sought on Spectrum License Compliance ** GT Buys London City Net ** Aliant Unveils Flexible Wireless Rates ** IIA Stock Jumps on Verizon Rumour ** 360 to Buy NetRail ** Certen Execs Named ** Itemus Buys Internet Developer ** Norsat Cuts 30% of Workforce ** Anik F1 in Service ** CGI Buys IMRglobal ** New President at Motorola Canada ** Bureau Joins AT&T Board ** Getting Past the Service Crisis ============================================================ MUNICIPALITIES APPEAL RIGHT-OF-WAY RULING: On February 23, the Federation of Canadian Municipalities (FCM) asked the Federal Court for leave to appeal CRTC Decision 2001-23 (see Telecom Update #268). ** FCM, supported by Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto, Ottawa, and Halifax, claims the Commission "erred in law and exceeded its jurisdiction," in particular by "denying municipalities full compensation for the occupancy and use of municipal lands," which is "expropriation without compensation." MTS OVERSTATES BELL INTRIGNA LINES: Manitoba Telecom says its fourth-quarter report overstated the number of customer lines provided by its Bell Intrigna subsidiary. The correct count is 131,790, not 192,466 -- a 46% error. CALL-NET REVENUE DOWN, EBITDA UP: Call-Net's 4Q 2000 revenue was $301.4 million, down from $312.4 million a year ago, but EBITDA before special items was $12.7 million, up from an EBITDA loss of $3.4 million. Write-offs of redundant facilities and of an investment in ISP Cybersurf contributed to a net loss of $138 million. Business customers produced 78% of revenue, up from 69% a year ago. ** Call-Net placed full-page newspaper ads on February 23 to deny reports that it is pulling out of the residential market. The ad says "a reporter misunderstood our strengthening position in new growth areas." BELL HIKES BUSINESS DSL SPEED: Bell Canada says its Internet High Speed Service now offers download speeds up to 1.5 Mbps and upload speeds as much as 300% faster than before. The change is described as "the first in a series of speed and service enhancements" planned for this year. AVAYA TO OUTSOURCE MANUFACTURING: Avaya has agreed to outsource production of its PBXs and key systems to Toronto- based Celestica Inc. As part of the deal, Celestica will acquire two of Avaya's U.S. factories for approximately US$200 million. ** Celestica reports revenue for the year 2000 of $9.8 billion, up 84% from 1999. Net income more than doubled to $304 million. ROGERS ANNOUNCES WIRELESS DATA SERVICES: Rogers AT&T Wireless now offers Wireless Web, which accesses some 35 data services for $3/month and 15 cents/minute, and the Portage Data Kit ($74.99), which converts a data-equipped handset into a wireless modem. INVESTORS SUE NORTEL: Two groups of Canadian investors have launched class-action lawsuits against Nortel Networks, charging that the company misled shareholders about prospects for 2001. Nortel is also facing class action cases in the U.S., and a third Canadian suit will probably be filed shortly. ** Nortel says that its Chief Technology Officer, Bill Hawe, resigned on February 12, three days before Nortel announced revised sales and profit forecasts. COMMENTS SOUGHT ON SPECTRUM LICENSE COMPLIANCE: Industry Canada asks whether applicants for spectrum licenses should have to demonstrate that they have complied with the terms and conditions of their previous licenses. Comments should be submitted to Industry Canada by May 18. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05385e.html GT BUYS LONDON CITY NET: Group Telecom is paying $8.25 million for LondonConnect, the City of London's high-speed network, whose 100 route kilometres of fibre access 40 buildings. ALIANT UNVEILS FLEXIBLE WIRELESS RATES: Aliant's wireless companies have introduced a new suite of rate plans, iMove, which Aliant says lets customers customize rate packages and modify them without charge. IIA STOCK JUMPS ON VERIZON RUMOUR: Shares in Nova Scotia- based InfoInterActive Inc. jumped 73% to $3.25 last week, apparently a result of rumours that U.S. telco Verizon will adopt its Internet Call Manager product. In January, Nortel announced that it is discontinuing a product that competes directly with ICM. 360 TO BUY NETRAIL: 360networks has announced plans to acquire NetRail, a U.S. wholesale IP service provider, for about US$50 million in stock. CERTEN EXECS NAMED: Certen Inc., the Bell-Amdocs joint venture in telecom billing (see Telecom Update #269) has named Jim Hubley as Chief Executive Officer and Marinella Ermacora, as Chief Operating Officer. Hubley, who has 27 years experience at AT&T, was most recently EVP at Czech Telecom; Ermacora is currently Vice-President, Systems Delivery at CGI. ITEMUS BUYS INTERNET DEVELOPER: Itemus Inc. has agreed to acquire Toronto-based Name Inc. for stock valued at $69.4 million. Name, an Internet applications developer, is headed by Joseph Pilarski and Arthur Benjamin, both former principals of Art Benjamin Associates and Online People Limited. NORSAT CUTS 30% OF WORKFORCE: Vancouver-based Norsat International, which makes components for satellite broadband systems, says that delays in deploying these networks have forced it to eliminate 30% of its staff. ANIK F1 IN SERVICE: Telesat's new Anik F1 satellite began service February 19. CGI BUYS IMRGLOBAL: CGI Group is acquiring IMRglobal, a Florida-based systems integrator, for $675 million in stock. The combined organization will have 13,000 employees in 24 countries. NEW PRESIDENT AT MOTOROLA CANADA: Motorola Canada has appointed Frank Maw as its new president, replacing Micheline Bouchard, who is taking on new duties for Motorola in the U.S. BUREAU JOINS AT&T BOARD: Andre Bureau, the former CRTC Chair who now heads Astral Broadcasting, has joined the Board of Directors of AT&T Canada. He replaces Marc Fortier, who is moving to France. GETTING PAST THE SERVICE CRISIS: It's easy to complain about poor supplier service. The March issue of Telemanagement, available this week, explains how front-line cooperation can reduce service disputes. Also in Telemanagement #183: ** Allan Sulkin examines the promise and limitations of IP-based PBXs. ** Gerry Blackwell profiles three Canadian developers of wireless data applications. Until March 15, new subscribers to Telemanagement will also receive Tips, Tricks & Traps, a new collection of 26 Telemanagement articles on practical problems of telecom management. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2001 20:23:20 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Tulsa airport looks to clamp down on wireless use The Old Bear wrote: > Someone mentioned anti-trust but this isn't any different than a > movie theatre or sports facilities that won't let patrons bring in > their own food and beverages. Indeed, they ought to have to allow that too. > At least Tulsa is viewing this as an opportunity to make up for > lost payphone revenues by charging fees to the wireless companies > to locate on-premises equipment which will improve the density > of coverage. That does not sound unreasonable. I hope that the FCC will allow cellular providers to work around any such restriction by installing higher-wattage towers just outside the boundaries of the airport. Which I would do if I were they. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #18 ******************************* Date: 28 Feb 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #19 Telecom Digest Wednesday, February 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 019 In this issue: Re: Oddball Calls In race to lay fiber, telecoms wreak havoc on city streets 2/27/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Claude Shannon, R.I.P. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 27 Feb 2001 07:24:30 -0500 From: "Brian Vita" Subject: Re: Oddball Calls While you are checking for these the culprit, check for unusual items that might be dialing out to reorder or alert someone. Some of the devices that I've heard of are water meters calling in readings, oil tanks calling a vendor for oil, one of the mini satellite dishes calling "home" to confirm your payment, etc. This could be aggravated by an obsolete piece of equipment left over from a previous tenant whose battery is dying and is doing this randomly as the battery craps out. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Feb 2001 17:26:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: In race to lay fiber, telecoms wreak havoc on city streets In race to lay fiber, telecoms wreak havoc on city streets Lives and livelihoods get disrupted By Evan Ramstad and Kortney Stringer THE WALL STREET JOURNAL DALLAS, Feb. 27 - Last Labor Day, contractors were hard at work installing fiber-optic cable in central Dallas to feed America's craving for high-speed Internet service. Then a drill bit struck a water main below Young Street. With explosive force, water gushed into the streets and poured into a parking garage below a luxury apartment building, ruining two levels full of cars. http://www.msnbc.com/news/536433.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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(AP) - Claude Shannon, a mathematician and computer scientist whose theories became the basis for modern mass communications networks, died Saturday after battling Alzheimer's disease. He was 84. Shannon envisioned all communications in binary code - a string of 1s and 0s - and understood that binary digits could be used to represent words, sounds and images. In 1948 he outlined a series of mathematical formulas to reduce communication processes to binary code - known as "bits" - and calculated ways to send the maximum number of bits through phone lines, or other modes of communication. It wasn't until the invention of integrated circuits years later that his formulas could be put to use. Now, they're at the core of the commonplace technology that delivers the Internet and its various trappings, from music, to video, to e-mail, via a phone line. The theories are also the basis of the field of information theory. "He's one of the great men of the century. Without him, none of the things we know today would exist. The whole digital revolution started with him," Neil Sloane, an AT&T fellow who co-edited Shannon's collected works, said in Tuesday's edition of The Star-Ledger of Newark. Shannon was born in Michigan and received his bachelor's degree in mathematics and electrical engineering from the University of Michigan, and his doctorate from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1940. He joined the faculty in 1958, and retired in 1978. While most of his pioneering contributions were in mathematics, computing and cryptography, Shannon was just as happy inventing for the sheer fun of it. Some of his works included rocket-powered Frisbees, motorized pogo sticks and a mechanical mouse-in-a-maze. There was also THROBAC-I, which computed in Roman numerals. And nearly a half-century before Deep Blue beat Russian master Garry Kasparov, Shannon described how to build a chess-playing computer. He worked at Bell Labs from 1941 through 1972. Shannon's evening unicycle rides - while juggling - through the company's drab hallways are legendary. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #19 ******************************* Date: 1 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #20 Telecom Digest Thursday, March 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 020 In this issue: fax spam? Re: fax spam? Re: fax spam? Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Chatty New Yorkers Shut Up Again Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Re: fax spam? PIC code for PT-1? 2/28/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 28 Feb 2001 09:31:46 -0500 From: Michael Muderick Subject: fax spam? I have a client who is troubled by fax spam- usually from companies selling cellular phones, and more often on weekends- 4-5 copies of each flier. Any suggestions on how to stop it? Michael@muderick.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 10:56:42 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: fax spam? >I have a client who is troubled by fax spam- usually from companies >selling cellular phones, and more often on weekends- 4-5 copies of each >flier. Any suggestions on how to stop it? The most effective approrach is to sue them, since fax spam is unambiguously illegal, and the law says you can sue for $500 per fax. Many junkers claim that their junk is legal under a variety of legal theories, e.g., state law says it's OK and that overrides Federal law, they only have to stop after you tell them to, etc. They are wrong, and there's plenty of case law to prove it. See http://www.junkfaxes.org/. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 10:59:06 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine) Subject: Re: fax spam? >I have a client who is troubled by fax spam- usually from companies >selling cellular phones, and more often on weekends- 4-5 copies of each >flier. Any suggestions on how to stop it? The most effective approrach is to sue them, since fax spam is unambiguously illegal, and the law says you can sue for $500 per fax. Many junkers claim that their junk is legal under a variety of legal theories, e.g., state law says it's OK and that overrides Federal law, they only have to stop after you tell them to, etc. They are wrong, and there's plenty of case law to prove it. See http://www.junkfaxes.org/. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500 From: Roy McCammon Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. He was a significant contributor, but that obit is full of exaggeration. Tad Cook wrote: > > Mathematician Claude Shannon Dies > > MEDFORD, Mass. (AP) - Claude Shannon, a mathematician and > computer scientist whose theories became the basis for > modern mass communications networks, Those theories became an important basis for understanding the limits of communication networks, but the networks would have come into existence without any of Shannon's formulas. > Shannon envisioned all communications in binary code - a > string of 1s and 0s - and understood that binary digits > could be used to represent words, sounds and images. Probably so, but he wasn't the first. The efficacy of digital communication was common knowledge, even back then. Telegraphy was well known. > In 1948 he outlined a series of mathematical formulas to > reduce communication processes to binary code - known as > "bits" His formula did not do that. His formula started with the assumption that you already that. > - and calculated ways to send the maximum number > of bits through phone lines, or other modes of > communication. All he calculated were the limits. It is sort of like the theory of entropy. We don't need it to build efficient engines, but it keeps us from wasting our time on trying to design perpetual motion machines. It helps us understand. > It wasn't until the invention of integrated circuits years > later that his formulas could be put to use. Nonsense. Telegraphy existed. Dots and dashes were carrying information all over the world. And, it was easy enough to estimate that an analog signal was equivalent to x bits per seconds and use the formulas. > "He's one of the great men of the century. Without him, > none of the things we know today would exist. Also nonsense. Much of Shannon's discovery was already known in an experimental sense. There were existing empirical 'rules of thumb' that Shannon put into an elegant mathematical frame work. And most important, he explained that framework so well, that almost any undergraduate can grasp the fundamentals and verify the math. ANd it was so simple, that the 'rules of thumb' could be discarded and forgotten. > The whole digital revolution started with him," How about Morse? - -- If you are one in a million; there are 6000 people just like you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 18:10:58 -0500 From: "monty solomon" Subject: Chatty New Yorkers Shut Up Again Chatty New Yorkers Shut Up Again If local ordinances continue to be passed and stockpiled, New York may become the first state to ban the use of mobile phones while driving. Westchester County became the third county in the state to ban the use of the devices on the road when it unanimously approved a bill on Monday that fines drivers up to $150 for yakking on their phones. The bill excludes drivers using a "hands-free" set-up or who use their regular cell phones in an emergency. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42067,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 20:48:12 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. It was 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500, and Roy McCammon wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | He was a significant contributor, but that obit is | full of exaggeration. May we all be happy if nobody critiques our obit. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 20:54:00 -0500 From: "Neil Brown" Subject: Re: fax spam? Well, the tactic that has worked best for me is to contact the offender, point out that they are in violation of the Telecommunications Act of 1996, and inform them that, should another fax be sent, I will sue them in Federal court for the statutory $500 penalty plus costs. I haven't had one test me on that yet, but small business friends locally have collected several times from repeat offenders. Of course, document with whom you spoke and when, and save copies of the faxes. Most of the offenders seem to just be ignorant of the law, or make the erroneous assumption that the presence of your fax number in a directory (Chamber of Commerce, etc.) constitutes enough of a prior business relationship to allow them to junk fax. So far, the courts don't agree. Neil Brown, President Stratamar, inc. "Strategic, Innovative Marketing" www.stratamar.com neilbrown@stratamar.com Michael Muderick wrote in message <200102281428.JAA04144@unix2.netaxs.com>... >I have a client who is troubled by fax spam- usually from companies >selling cellular phones, and more often on weekends- 4-5 copies of each >flier. Any suggestions on how to stop it? >Michael@muderick.com >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 28 Feb 2001 21:50:28 -0500 From: gls@simba.cvu.lucent.com (G. L. Sicherman) Subject: PIC code for PT-1? I have been using PT-1 (access code 1016868) frequently for long- distance calls and would like to presubscribe my inter-LATA calls with them. But Verizon, my local telco, demands a carrier code, and I can't find one at PT-1's web site or in any webbed list of carriers. Could it be that PT-1 does not accept presubscriptions? - -- G. L. Sicherman work: sicherman@lucent.com home: colonel@mail.monmouth.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU Re: Local Service Re: fax spam? Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Re: PIC code for PT-1? Q: Telemarketing Calls Seizing Lines Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Q: Telemarketing Calls Seizing Lines Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 1 Mar 2001 09:05:44 -0500 From: Michael Muderick Subject: Fax Spam Thanks for all the replies to my inquiry. What I failed to mention is that most of these faxes come with black borders around the name of the company, and the ID is not on the page. Short of being here when the fax comes in, and dialing *57, I don't know how to track them down. When I call the number on the flier, usually a toll-free, they tell me they are intouch with the FCC, that it wasn't them that sent it, or the number rings forever, and is never answered. When I get an auto-attendant, the voicemailbox is filled, obviously from other recipients. Someone has a very sick mind. mm - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 09:50:35 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: PIC code for PT-1? 28 Feb 2001 21:50:28 -0500 gls@simba.cvu.lucent.com (G. L. Sicherman) wrote: >I have been using PT-1 (access code 1016868) frequently for long- >distance calls and would like to presubscribe my inter-LATA calls with >them. But Verizon, my local telco, demands a carrier code, and I can't >find one at PT-1's web site or in any webbed list of carriers. Could >it be that PT-1 does not accept presubscriptions? First of all just to let you know that PT-1 is not the cheapest for using long distance either as a dial around or as a pre-subscribed LD carrier. Go to for listings of many carriers. Their comparison shows what the *real* cost of calling is including USF (universal service fund) and PICC (presubscribed interexchange carrier code) [not mandated to charge but some companies are still assessing this fee] plus indication of what monthly subscription or minimum monthly charge. If you go to their comparison page you'll see that LD rates are all over the map. You also have to take into consideration that many of these really low rates are accompanied by a $5 or more monthly charge. If you 'll go to you'll find a list of all or most PICCs. I use Telegroup-Primus and they can be used with their seven digit PICC or can be pre-subscribed (1+). I subscribed through abelltolls. I pay 6.3¢/minute for domestic long distance with 6 second billing. Just so you know they operate in a similar manner to Excel and other re-sellers using "agents." Just as a comparison PT-1 charges 8.43¢/minute for domestic long distance and charges a full one minute increment (no partial minute billing) on calls as well. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 10:59:16 -0500 From: "Kimberlin, Don" Subject: Telecom History's Roots (WAS: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. ) In article <28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500> Roy McCammon wrote: >He was a significant contributor, but that obit is full of exaggeration. I agree the obit is overstated. It's typical of the sort of "junk science" stuff written by journalism majors. I did a spell on the circuit of "You pay me $450 and I'll make you sit in the meeting room at the Holiday Inn and stare at the white spot on the overhead projector screen." The topic was "Fundamentals of Data Communications." It ran in the order of Hour 1 - This is a bit; Hour 2 - This is a Baud; Hour 3- This is a code; Hour 4 - This is a protocol, etc. To try to put my audience at ease, I would open with an attempt at a gag about data communications appearing to be a black art, when it's only black science, followed with, "We're not going to touch anything more complex than high school physics today." I thought that was clever. But the audience seemed stiff. I soon found out that 70% of the people in my audience - most of whom had said they were their company's datacomm manager - had NOT taken physics in high school, and a number told me they even got out of general science class! If the "professionals" of business have that little science knowledge, what would one expect of journalists? I certainly expect whoever wrote that piece simply tried to paraphrase what they got from a phone call and perhaps a read of a Brittanica bio. None of that means to say Claude Shannon wasn't a talented individual. I could never manage to ride a unicycle OR juggle, which he did simultaneously. And I can tell you my math skills are nowhere near his! The greatest sadness I find is that a mind like that suffered from Alzheimer's. Shannon's mind was in a class like Hawking's, which proves that a mind can be useful even when the body is terribly debilitated. Further: Roy said: > All he calculated were the limits. It is sort of like the theory of entropy. We don't need it to build efficient engines, but it keeps us from wasting our time on trying to >design perpetual motion machines. It helps us understand. But I submit it was some math and some thinking that neither Roy nor I could have done, but we benefited from it. And Roy said: >It wasn't until the invention of integrated circuits years later that his formulas could be put to use. Nonsense. Telegraphy existed. Dots and dashes were carrying >information all over the world. And, it was easy enough to estimate that an analog signal was equivalent to x bits per seconds and use the formulas. This old bear was there, in fact, and I know of those estimation techniques. What really has made the difference was not simply IC's but DSP, that permits us to fo far more analyzing and correcting of transmission errors than was ever possible in the era of telegraphy. In particular, I worked for one manufacturer making a telegraphic TDM that, instead of sampling each bit only 3 times to determine if it was mark or space, sampled 50 times. The cost was more than most users, including telegraphers, could comprehend the value of doing, so we had to eat that claim of excellence as a sales point, because it only rolled off people's heads. Instead, we had to rely on showing superior performance with degraded input signals and, if asked, explain how we did it. And, using that "old math," we had to always remember that passing a given pulse rate required a bandwidth equal to the fundamental rate and its first ten odd overtones - a huge amount. DSP doesn't require that. We can let the channel distort the pulse considerably, and still recover it reliably with DSP. And finally, Roy said: >"... The whole digital revolution started with him...," How about Morse? You have to go back a lot more than Morse, but while you stop at him, read his whole story to find out that, more like Marconi, Morse didn't really conceive of the basic principles. Rather, Morse put a system together. There's even question about how much Morse personally contributed. Read the whole story about how Professor Morse gave it to student Alfred Vail (son of a well-to-do NJ jurist) to scour up the materials, and make it work before the Prof got back from a European vacation or get flunked. While the Prof was on vacation, Vail gave up on the Prof's "portrule" for a transmitter, as it was simply too cumbersome. Vail wandered down to a typesetter's shop to find out what letters were most common in typeset text by counting letters in the typebox. Then starting from a single dot for the most common letter "E" in English text, Vail composed the mis-named "Morse" code. It should properly be called the Vail Code. But back to telecom antiquity: We can date binary communications back at least to ancient Greeks and their heliograph, or the Picts of Britain using smoke signals to outwit the Romans. (Is that why Hadrian built that wall?) Those interested in a bit of telecom history are invited to stop by my web page, but please be nice. It has a lot of links to other telecom history sites, too: http://members.fortunecity.com/donkimberlin - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:54:01 -0500 From: Andrew Subject: Re: Crazy calls Sharp wrote: > I'm hoping one of you folks can help with a long standing and ongoing problem one of my neighbors is plagued with. She has been receiving many telephone calls at all hours, sometimes very repetitive in a short time, and sometimes weeks apart. These 'calls' have seized the line, not allowing outgoing calls and seized the line while someone is using the phone. There is little to no sound other than clicking. She recently got caller ID and here are some of the 'calls' According to my ILEC, BellSouth, one of the standard features of caller ID is that you can reject unwanted calls from a particular source by dialing *77 after you hang up from the nuisance call. This is supposed to cause further calls from that source to be rejected so that they won't even show up on your caller ID. Andrew - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:54:31 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? John David Galt writes: >I very much doubt >that you'd be able to do anything useful with a cell phone in a >flying aircraft anyway, even if it were allowed. Do they magically start working when the Canadian border is crossed? http://archive.forpilots.com/archive/rec.aviation.misc/2/msg2779.htm - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:55:06 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) writes: >| I'd prefer a concensus. >I believe we had a concensus. Most here believe that "cell >phones" of any technology should not be used aloft. For now, I'm not interested in "should" (because there are *definitely* times when cell phones of any type *should* be used aloft). I'm interested in the legality. That's what started it. Someone used a cell phone, someone else said it was illegal. I want to find out if it truly is always illegal (in the US) to use anything commonly referred to as a "cell phone". >It is the Cellular Radiotelephone Band (800MHz) that most >"cell phones" operate in. AMPS service is required of the >license holders in that band, but the band is not resticted >to AMPS. PCS type service is also permitted in 800MHz to >the extent that it does not interfere with AMPS service. Yeah, I had a nie chat with the FCC about that. It's interesting how they tried to encourage the digital stuff there. (I have CDMA/AMPS StarTACs, so it was interesting to me.) >| >Part 22 Cellular Telephones are banned from airborne use, >| >SPECIFICALY - no doubt. >| >| Yup, I have no problem understanding that. (Well, there >| *are* exceptions, but let's not get into that for this thread.) >Only if you get confused between anything that uses cell based >technology and what are commonly called cellular telephones. Are you saying that AirCell operates under a different part? It was just rammed into my head that it's the frequency that matters, now what? - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:55:28 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Kyler Laird" wrote in message news:971tea$ltb$1@mozo.cc.purdue.edu... > jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) writes: > > >> They're *all* cellular! That's the point. > > >Nope. For pur purposes here, "cellular" is synonymous with "operates > >at 900 MHz on an AMPS compatible channel plan. > > When you can convince all of us that no one in > Europe uses cellular phones, try that on me > again. > > If you go back to the beginning, the hubub > started when someone said he used a "cell phone". > There was no mention of it being an "FCC Cellular > Telephone". It was asserted that it *must* have > been illegal even when I pointed out that it > might not be an AMPS phone. This whole discussion pertains to the U.S. ban on cell phone use while airborne. The FCC rule on this pertains to cellular telephones operating under Part 22 of the FCC rules, namely those operating to U.S. standards in the 800-900 MHz band. There is no corresponding FCC rule prohibiting SMR phones (Nextel) or Part 24 U.S. PCS phones operating when airborne. As to non-U.S. cellphones (e.g., 900 MHz GSM phones), they can't be used at all (whether airborne or on the ground) when in the United States -- unless they are designed to operate to U.S. standards (e.g., Canadian phones) and are under the control of a U.S. carrier for roaming, in which case they are under the same rules as U.S. or Canadian phones. - --Mike Sullivan - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:55:44 -0500 From: "George Driskill" Subject: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU I need to be able to run a dozen Norstar M7310 Telephones and/or a Norstar MICS Fiber Station Module 4200 feet away from the KSU. I have 22 awg 25-pair phone cable installed and I have a 6-strand Multi-Mode 62.5/125 micron Fiber Optics installed. No, I haven't tried a power supply with the copper yet. I've been told that 3000 feet was the limit. I wanted to know someone else has done it successfully first. I also heard of an after-market fiber extender to be able to install a Fiber Station Module in the remote location, but I don't know the name of the manufacturer. Any help would be appreciated. George Driskill Driskill Communications george@driskill.com 415.892.2659 Office 707.795.6674 Same Office 707.664.8282 Fax 707.321.3775 Cel - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:56:39 -0500 From: Seymour Dupa Subject: Re: Local Service It seems that site shows where the CLEC *office* is located, not what areas they serve. John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov wrote: > http://www.clecworld.com/clec/cdatabase.asp allows you to find all CLECs > in a specified area. > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- If You Always Do the Things You've Done, You'll Always Have the Things You Got. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:56:50 -0500 From: "Glenn C. Lasher Jr." Subject: Re: fax spam? Rather than sue, you could also get their number blacklisted to your fax line. That way, their calls won't go through. On 28 Feb 2001, Michael Muderick wrote: > I have a client who is troubled by fax spam- usually from companies > selling cellular phones, and more often on weekends- 4-5 copies of each > flier. Any suggestions on how to stop it? > Michael@muderick.com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. > - -- glasher@nycap.rr.com After 163 days, Verizon still couln't deliver Telocity DSL. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:57:10 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. On 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500, Roy McCammon wrote: >He was a significant contributor, but that obit is full >of exaggeration. > Aren't they licensed to be? He was a major figure. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 11:57:18 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. In article <3a9da2cc.1136009749@npcc.net>, Justa Lurker wrote: >It was 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500, and Roy McCammon > wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: >| He was a significant contributor, but that obit is >| full of exaggeration. > >May we all be happy if nobody critiques our obit. Charles Babbage and Alan Turing were probably lucky that Mr. McCammon wasn't around when they died. I'm sure he could downplay their contributions to computer technology as well. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 12:59:30 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. >>>>> "Justa" == Justa Lurker writes: Justa> May we all be happy if nobody critiques our obit. Actually, I hope when I die that people *will* critique my obit. It'll probably need a good techedit anyway. :) - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 13:17:13 -0500 From: jay@west.net (Jay Hennigan) Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. On 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500, Roy McCammon wrote: :> The whole digital revolution started with him," : :How about Morse? And long before Morse, Braille. - -- Jay Hennigan - Network Administration - jay@west.net NetLojix Communications, Inc. NASDAQ: NETX - http://www.netlojix.com/ WestNet: Connecting you to the planet. 805 884-6323 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 15:18:11 -0500 From: ledogge@yahoo.com (Kasper) Subject: Re: PIC code for PT-1? On 28 Feb 2001 21:50:28 -0500, gls@simba.cvu.lucent.com (G. L. Sicherman) wrote: >I have been using PT-1 (access code 1016868) frequently for long- >distance calls and would like to presubscribe my inter-LATA calls with >them. But Verizon, my local telco, demands a carrier code, and I can't >find one at PT-1's web site or in any webbed list of carriers. Could >it be that PT-1 does not accept presubscriptions? I have PT-1 presubscribed to one of my lines with Bell South (but don't much use it any more) ... at least there are no sneaky monthly charges for not using them. Phone bill does not show the PIC code but lists 1-888-660-5377 as a contact number ... I'll bet they will know their own code :-) Kasper - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 18:42:37 -0500 From: art.shapiro@unisys.com (Arthur Shapiro) Subject: Q: Telemarketing Calls Seizing Lines I've recently gotten a few automated junk calls screened on my answering machine. Hitting the "stop" button doesn't seem to hang 'em up. Picking up a phone and hanging up once again doesn't terminate the spiel. Several of them actually have stated "you may hit 1 to stop this call at any time", and that works on some of them. (Would any key function in this matter?) On others, I haven't figured out a means of terminating the inbound call. I thought this kind of shenanigans went away with the more modern telco switches, but obviously I'm wrong. Is there some known means of getting my line back without waiting for the callbot to finish its unwanted message? Would shorting the line have an effect? Appreciate any guidance. Art - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:12:22 -0500 From: "Nortec" Subject: Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU You already posted this last week in the Nortel newsgroup and received your answer. What else are you looking for? "George Driskill" wrote in message news:97e2d8$k3h$1@nnrp.atgi.net... > I need to be able to run a dozen Norstar M7310 Telephones and/or a Norstar > MICS Fiber Station Module 4200 feet away from the KSU. I have 22 awg 25-pair > phone cable installed and I have a 6-strand Multi-Mode 62.5/125 micron Fiber > Optics installed. No, I haven't tried a power supply with the copper yet. > I've been told that 3000 feet was the limit. I wanted to know someone else > has done it successfully first. I also heard of an after-market fiber > extender to be able to install a Fiber Station Module in the remote > location, but I don't know the name of the manufacturer. > > Any help would be appreciated. > > George Driskill > Driskill Communications > george@driskill.com > 415.892.2659 Office > 707.795.6674 Same Office > 707.664.8282 Fax > 707.321.3775 Cel > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 21:26:44 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 1 Mar 2001 11:55:28 -0500, Michael D. Sullivan wrote: > This whole discussion pertains to the U.S. ban on cell phone use while > airborne. The FCC rule on this pertains to cellular telephones operating > under Part 22 of the FCC rules, namely those operating to U.S. standards in > the 800-900 MHz band. There is no corresponding FCC rule prohibiting SMR > phones (Nextel) or Part 24 U.S. PCS phones operating when airborne. Except that, as previously noted, those phones operate in bands that are for Mobile, but *not* Aeronautical Mobile, usage... which is effectively a prohibition. It's weird. I'm having this *exact same discussion* independently in three different newsgroups right now, with different root causes. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 22:05:24 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Q: Telemarketing Calls Seizing Lines In <97mmor$2opb$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com> art.shapiro@unisys.com (Arthur Shapiro) writes: >I've recently gotten a few automated junk calls screened on my >answering machine. Hitting the "stop" button doesn't seem to hang >'em up. Picking up a phone and hanging up once again doesn't >terminate the spiel. >Several of them actually have stated "you may hit 1 to stop this >call at any time", and that works on some of them. (Would any key >function in this matter?) On others, I haven't figured out a >means of terminating the inbound call. First, beware of the "hit 1" scam. That can be used by the telesleaze to claim that they made a collect call to you and that you 'accepted' it. Also, of course, just like with spammers... any action you take lets them know there's a real human answering. Anyway, in _most_ (but most assuredly not all) modern phone exchanges if you hang up _and leave the phone on hook for [ten seconds]_, the call will get disconnected. Note that each time you pick it up you reset the timer. The exact amount of time will vary depending on the local switch settings, but (again, in most cases) this should work. In the Good Old Days of mechanical relays and direct wired connections the caller could, indeed, grab your line until they hung up. But nowadays the 10 second (or 20 second...) timeout is the more common rule. [material underneath left for reference] >I thought this kind of shenanigans went away with the more modern >telco switches, but obviously I'm wrong. Is there some known >means of getting my line back without waiting for the callbot to >finish its unwanted message? Would shorting the line have an >effect? >Appreciate any guidance. >Art >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 1 Mar 2001 23:27:45 -0500 From: laird@gunsmoke.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Michael D. Sullivan" writes: >This whole discussion pertains to the U.S. ban on cell phone use while >airborne. It's refreshing to hear from someone who "gets it." >The FCC rule on this pertains to cellular telephones operating >under Part 22 of the FCC rules, namely those operating to U.S. standards in >the 800-900 MHz band. Yup. That's where my original comments were based. >There is no corresponding FCC rule prohibiting SMR >phones (Nextel) or Part 24 U.S. PCS phones operating >when airborne. The one piece of original information in this thread has been that while PCS phones do not have a rule corresponding to the Part 22 airborne prohibition, the *band* that they use is designated for non- airborne use. (This logic indicates that the Part 22 prohibition is completely unnecessary.) I am looking forward to looking into that more when I'm doing more talking and less flying. It could be that SMR radios are similarly prohibited, but no one (other than the "all cell phones are banned" screamers) have yet suggested it. >As to >non-U.S. cellphones (e.g., 900 MHz GSM phones), they can't be used at all >(whether airborne or on the ground) when in the United States -- unless they >are designed to operate to U.S. standards (e.g., Canadian phones) and are >under the control of a U.S. carrier for roaming, in which case they are >under the same rules as U.S. or Canadian phones. Sorry, I confused things with the reference to European phones. I made the reference because people here were claiming that only phones that fit the FCC Part 22 definition of "Cellular Telephone" are "cell phones." My point was simply that this logic means that no one in Europe uses "cell phones" because none of those phones operate under Part 22 (or even on the same band). - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #21 ******************************* Date: 3 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #22 Telecom Digest Saturday, March 3 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 022 In this issue: Preliminary Program Euromedia'2001 NPA 928 in Jan. 2002 for rural Arizona Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. 3/2/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Peace Train ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 2 Mar 2001 07:22:15 -0500 From: Philippe Geril Subject: Preliminary Program Euromedia'2001 Dear Colleagues, this is to inform you that the preliminary Programme for EUROMEDIA'2001, the 6th annual European conference being held in Valencia, Spain, from April 18-20, on multimedia applications, webtechnology, telecommunications and E-commerce is now online on http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs/conf/euromd2001/euromedprelprog.html Regards Philippe - -- Philippe Geril Tel: +32.9.233.77.90 SCS Europe Fax: +32.9.223.49.41 Coupure Links 653 E-mail: Philippe.Geril@rug.ac.be B-9000 Ghent URL: http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs Belgium URL: http://biomath.rug.ac.be/~scs ********************************************************************* * Your information site on * * Computer Simulation - Concurrent Engineering - Multimedia * * http://www.scs-europe.org * ********************************************************************* - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 2001 14:41:47 -0500 From: sjbaer@aztec.asu.edu (SCOTT J. BAER) Subject: NPA 928 in Jan. 2002 for rural Arizona PHOENIX - The Arizona Corporation Commission last week decided on a plan to split the 520 area code territory. The Commission's action preserves the 520 area code in Tucson and parts of southern Arizona. Pinal, Pima, Santa Cruz and Cochise counties will retain the 520 area code, with the exception of a few small areas where rate centers cross county lines. The rest of Arizona, including Yuma County, will get the new 928 area code. Full story: http://www.cc.state.az.us/news/pr02-21-01.htm Map: http://www.cc.state.az.us/utility/newarea/520rev.pdf - -- ================================================================ http://www.public.asu.edu/~lbaer ========Scott J. Baer, P.E. Amateur Radio Extra N7TXA========== - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 2 Mar 2001 18:30:26 -0500 From: Larry & Wanda Finch Subject: Re: Claude Shannon, R.I.P. Jay Hennigan wrote: > On 28 Feb 2001 11:38:36 -0500, Roy McCammon wrote: > > :> The whole digital revolution started with him," > : > :How about Morse? > > And long before Morse, Braille. > Neither of them matched Shannon's accomplishment, which was not the invention of a code. It was the recognition that information is precisely quantifiable. He was the first to put this idea (which we now take for granted) forward. Prior to Shannon's seminal paper no one had even thought about this. The concept is so intrinsic to our society today that we can't imagine a time before its discovery. Larry - -- Larry Finch ::finches@bellatlantic.net larry@prolifics.com ::LarryFinch@aol.com (whew!) N 40° 53' 47" W 74° 03' 56" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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It started last year as an experiment to see whether customers would like to be shielded from the blips and bleeps of the technology revolution. The "quiet car" concept has been so popular that tomorrow Amtrak is expanding the program, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A64595-2001Feb27.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #22 ******************************* Date: 4 Mar 2001 06:15:17 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #23 Telecom Digest Sunday, March 4 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 023 In this issue: Re: Oddball Calls Call ths fool!!!!!!!!! Re: Peace Train Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU Re: Peace Train Re: Peace Train Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? I Need some Info on the Trilliam Panter 2064 system Please Draft FIPS for the AES GAO PKI Report ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Mar 2001 09:25:23 -0500 From: Fred Atkinson Subject: Re: Oddball Calls Some years ago, I was working for a company that had equipment that called in an alarm to our east coast office (when something would go wrong with that equipment). One day, we got a phone call from one of the LECs. It appeared that one of our units on the west coast was making calls to a telemarketing number up in New England. They told me (but I don't belive them) that the telemarketing company had to shut down and go home because of all the annoying incoming calls. The reason I don't believe it is that it was only one unit and it was programmed to make three to five attempts and then give up. When the LEC gave me the originating telephone number, I determined which one of our units was the offender. When I called into it and checked the programming, someone had mistyped a single digit in the phone number that it was supposed to call. Of course a single digit in error yields a wrong number. Being that they were telemarketers, I didn't feel to sorry for them. But it only took me a second to fix the problem by changing the reporting phone number in the setup fields. Another time, I got a recorded telemarketing call at 4:30 AM. The recording was pushing sales of Internet services. I didn't get enough information to identity the telemarketing company, either. Good luck. Fred - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2001 10:24:41 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Call ths fool!!!!!!!!! The following is one of 19 spams in 3 hours I got from this no brainer morin. It was sent to an account thay I never post from and only use it for email. For Free Consultation DOUBLE CLICK ON: mailto:approve4u@usa.com?subject=consult Or Call 888-567-4871 Include ALL the following info. Your Name: Home Phone w/Area Code: Best Time To Contact You: Your E-Mail Address: [must be in form: name@domain.com] Please verify your information. Thank you! * We need ALL the above information to process your request. €º° Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2001 13:14:53 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Peace Train On 3 Mar 2001 00:34:21 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > Peace Train > In Amtrak's 'Quiet Cars,' The Cell Phones Stay Off > As Amtrak Metroliner 107 sped into Washington from New York City > yesterday, there was something different about car No. 1. No cell > phones. No laptop computers. And no loud talking. > > The car directly behind the engine on this train is Amtrak's newest > offering targeting business travelers. It started last year as an > experiment to see whether customers would like to be shielded from > the blips and bleeps of the technology revolution. The "quiet car" > concept has been so popular that tomorrow Amtrak is expanding the > program, This reminds me of a story I've heard about the Paris Metro. It seems they have 'premium' cars. The only difference between them and the regular ones is that the 'premium' ones... cost more to ride. More money, fewer passengers, better QoS. It's just like a toll road. I love it, actually. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2001 14:26:39 -0500 From: "Tad Cook" Subject: Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU "George Driskill" wrote: > I need to be able to run a dozen Norstar M7310 Telephones and/or a Norstar > MICS Fiber Station Module 4200 feet away from the KSU. I have 22 awg 25-pair > phone cable installed and I have a 6-strand Multi-Mode 62.5/125 micron Fiber > Optics installed. No, I haven't tried a power supply with the copper yet. > I've been told that 3000 feet was the limit. I wanted to know someone else > has done it successfully first. I also heard of an after-market fiber > extender to be able to install a Fiber Station Module in the remote > location, but I don't know the name of the manufacturer. The reason for the short loop limit has to do with timing. Digital key systems poll the phones very quickly in sequence, and Norstar can only guarantee supporting the sets out to 3000 feet. Actually, I am not familiar with that key system, but am surprised that they are supported that far. I thought most manufacturers supported extensions out to a few hundred feet. Another solution (which you may not like, since you can't use the Norstar phones) is to find out if they support an analog station adapter, that will bring it out to a standard 2-wire connection. Then you can hook up a long loop adapter (Proctor 46222 or 46224, see www.proctorinc.com) through dry cable pair (up to 1900 ohms) you can go out to 7 miles, or through a telco provided OL13C circuit go as far as you want. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2001 17:52:51 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Peace Train Jay Ashworth writes: > This reminds me of a story I've heard about the Paris Metro. > > It seems they have 'premium' cars. The only difference between them > and the regular ones is that the 'premium' ones... cost more to ride. Right. They called it first class -- but they abolished it about 10 years ago. (The RER trains in Paris also had first class that was almost the same as the regular seating, until about 2 years ago.) Are there any coin-operated phones in France these days? Where would one find them? - -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "This man must be very ignorant, for he answers msb@vex.net | every question he is asked." -- Voltaire My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 2001 18:16:27 -0500 From: Jack Hamilton Subject: Re: Peace Train jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: >This reminds me of a story I've heard about the Paris Metro. > >It seems they have 'premium' cars. The only difference between them >and the regular ones is that the 'premium' ones... cost more to ride. At one time, they did. No longer. See the ticket list at . - -- Jack Hamilton Broderick, CA jfh@acm.org - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 00:15:16 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > Except that, as previously noted, those phones operate in bands that > are for Mobile, but *not* Aeronautical Mobile, usage... which is > effectively a prohibition. Actually, the allocation table (Rule 2.106) that allocates the frequencies for Mobile and omits Aeronautical Mobile does not prohibit air-ground mobile use. Air-ground mobile usage is within the definition of Mobile Service in 2.105. That's why some allocations say "MOBILE (except aeronautical mobile)." Aeronautical Mobile is a form of Mobile Service between Aeronautical Stations and Aircraft Stations; Mobile Service is a service between Mobile Stations and Land Stations. (An Aircraft Station is a Mobile Station, and an Aeronautical Station is a Land Station.) In any event, the allocation table does not address what stations can communicate in any given band; it does not govern uses of spectrum or users of spectrum. It controls how the FCC assigns spectrum to services and stations. In other words, it is a guide to the FCC as to what to authorize in other rule parts. (Under 2.106, the FCC would not be able to authorize fixed television broadcasting in a band allocated for mobile use, unless it amended the table, departed from it on a case-by-case basis (which is permitted under 2.102(b)(1)), or authorized it under an experimental or developmental station license (pursuant to 2.102(b)(2)-(3).) More importantly, the table contains references to the particular service rule parts in the right-hand column. As provided in Section 2.105(d)(6), "The exact use that can be made of any given frequency or frequency band (e.g., channelling plans, allowable emissions, etc.) is given in the FCC Rule part(s) so indicated." Given that the SMR frequencies used by Nextel are under Part 90 (and the table contains a reference to Part 90) and Part 90 does not specifically disallow airborne use, it is not a rule violation to use a Nextel mobile unit while airborne. The cellular rules in Part 22 do, however, prohibit use of cellular units while airborne. In response to a different posting in this thread, the Aircell system uses specially modified cellular base stations to communicate with specially modified cellular mobiles located in planes. This is done pursuant to a waiver of the rules, so it is legal at this point. There is litigation ongoing as to whether the waiver is valid or should be set aside. (in the interest of full disclosure: I am involved in representing the opponents of Aircell.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 00:20:24 -0500 From: "Ilan Soudack" Subject: I Need some Info on the Trilliam Panter 2064 system Please I am looking for some programing information for a Trilliam Panther 2064 Phone System. We need to ajust the ringing on some of the sets and have no idea how to do it. If someone has a copy of the manual for this unit in a PDF format or any digital format it would be great. Thank You In Advance Ilan Soudack Insite Telecommunications Group Inc. ilanNOSPAM@insite.on.ca 416-736-8386 x 223 (tel) 416-736-1600 (fax) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 00:48:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Draft FIPS for the AES Draft FIPS for the AES On February 28, 2001, NIST announced that a Draft Federal Information Processing Standard (FIPS) for the AES is available for public review and comment. http://csrc.nist.gov/encryption/aes/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 01:59:42 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: GAO PKI Report Advances and Remaining Challenges to Adoption of Public Key Infrastructure Technology http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d01277.pdf - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #23 ******************************* Date: 5 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #24 Telecom Digest Monday, March 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 024 In this issue: Phone chatting while driving permitted in Brookline Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Peace Train Porky's/TPA -- I have to know Re: Porky's/TPA -- I have to know Nortel is Notel CNID question: Re: CNID question: Locating Devices Gain in Popularity but Raise Privacy Concerns Re: CNID question: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 4 Mar 2001 10:42:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone chatting while driving permitted in Brookline Excerpt from http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/062/metro/New_England_in_brief+.shtml BOSTON Phone chatting while driving permitted State law prohibits Brookline from banning talking on a cellular phone while driving in the town, the attorney general's office said yesterday. Brookline was believed to be the first town in the state to ban phone use while driving when it passed a bylaw in November. But Attorney General Thomas F. Reilly said the bylaw contradicts a state law that expressly permits cell phone use while driving. (AP) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 13:15:11 -0500 From: laird@pier.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird) Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Michael D. Sullivan" writes: >In any event, the allocation table does not address what stations can >communicate in any given band; it does not govern uses of spectrum or users >of spectrum. Is it correct to interpret this as meaning that the stuff about PCS phones (not on the same band as AMPS phones use) being illegal to use airborne was not correct? >"The exact use that can be made of any given frequency or frequency band >(e.g., channelling plans, allowable emissions, etc.) is given in the FCC >Rule part(s) so indicated." Thanks for the great references. - --kyler - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 15:15:12 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Peace Train On 3 Mar 2001 17:52:51 -0500, Mark Brader wrote: > Jay Ashworth writes: > > It seems they have 'premium' cars. The only difference between them > > and the regular ones is that the 'premium' ones... cost more to ride. > > Right. They called it first class -- but they abolished it about > 10 years ago. (The RER trains in Paris also had first class that > was almost the same as the regular seating, until about 2 years ago.) Did they? Carp. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 15:58:26 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Porky's/TPA -- I have to know It's "Porky's day" on Comedy Central today. I just watched the closing credits to the original movie, which will repeat tonight at 8pm... and in the special thanks section is listed Telephone Pioneers of America Gold Coast Chapter No (clipped off screen) What in the *hell* did TPA do for that movie? Round up 1950s phones and such? Anyone around here who was involved in Miami/Dade TPA that far back? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 20:36:54 -0500 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: Porky's/TPA -- I have to know jra@baylink.com (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote >What in the *hell* did TPA do for that movie? Round up 1950s phones >and such? Anyone around here who was involved in Miami/Dade TPA that >far back? I'm not involved in either Florida or TPA, but even thought the movie is the highest grossing Canadian movie EVER*, it was shot in the Miami area. I suspect the producers needed some phones and stuff, went to the local telco and the telco put them on to the TPA who would be happy to help out for a donation and a credit. *(Canada's "artistic" community hates this fact, but the rest of us LOVE to rub it in) - -- Incontinence Hotline, can you hold please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 21:19:51 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Nortel is Notel >From CBC's "the Royal Canadian Air Farce" - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 21:44:47 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: CNID question: In North America if you have forwarding in effect either regular forwarding or forward on busy or no answer is the caller ID information received at the receiving end the number of the original number originating the call or is the number of the number through which the number was forwarded shown? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 22:04:05 -0500 From: johnl@iecc.com (John R Levine) Subject: Re: CNID question: >In North America if you have forwarding in effect either regular forwarding >or forward on busy or no answer is the caller ID information received at >the receiving end the number of the original number originating the call or >is the number of the number through which the number was forwarded shown? In theory, the CNID is the original caller, and the ANI is the forwarding number. In practice, it's not always implemented correctly. - -- John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869 johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 2001 23:00:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Locating Devices Gain in Popularity but Raise Privacy Concerns March 4, 2001 Locating Devices Gain in Popularity but Raise Privacy Concerns By SIMON ROMERO Wireless systems capable of tracking vehicles and people all over the planet are leaving businesses aglow with new possibilities, and some privacy advocates deeply concerned. Companies seeking to tap the commercial potential of these technologies are installing wireless location systems in vehicles, hand-held computers, cell phones - even watchbands. Scientists have developed a chip that can be inserted beneath the skin, so that a person's location can be pinpointed anywhere. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/04/technology/04LOCA.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 01:21:56 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: CNID question: On 4 Mar 2001 22:04:05 -0500, John R Levine wrote: > >In North America if you have forwarding in effect either regular forwarding > >or forward on busy or no answer is the caller ID information received at > >the receiving end the number of the original number originating the call or > >is the number of the number through which the number was forwarded shown? > > In theory, the CNID is the original caller, and the ANI is the > forwarding number. In practice, it's not always implemented correctly. And I suspect it depends quite a bit on the switch in the middle doing the forwarding, and which forward path (fixed, NA, Busy) is used. Nice quote in this month's LJ, BTW, John. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #24 ******************************* Date: 6 Mar 2001 06:15:15 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #25 Telecom Digest Tuesday, March 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 025 In this issue: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) Re: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) Re: Nortel is Notel Telecom Update (Canada) #273, March 5, 2001 Phone Companies Rally to Avoid a Credit Squeeze Re: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) Wire Separation 3/5/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) Turn-off Motorola Gets Over $1 Billion From Cellular Sale Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: CNID question: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 5 Mar 2001 07:21:19 -0500 From: "Steve Hayes" Subject: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) In Telecom Digest V2001 #23, following on from a discussion about trains via the Paris Metro, Mark Brader asked: >Are there any coin-operated phones in France these days? Where would >one find them? I did a double-take when I spotted one at a service area on an autoroute the other day. It was in one of the booths by the cafeteria - - the others had card-only phones. The booth and the phone were spotless and shiny but the phone looked to be basically one of the clunky old ones with all the slots for different value coins. When the Euro coins come in next year, I fear it may be gone. I should have paid more attention to it and less to the delights of the cafeteria! Steve Hayes South Wales, UK - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 09:47:30 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) On 5 Mar 2001 07:21:19 -0500, Steve Hayes wrote: > When the Euro coins come in next year, I fear it may be gone. I > should have paid more attention to it and less to the delights of the > cafeteria! No, you should have taken a *picture* of it, and sent it to 2600.... Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 09:47:57 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Nortel is Notel Joseph Singer writes: >From: Joseph Singer >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Nortel is Notel >Date: 4 Mar 2001 21:19:51 -0500 >Lines: 6 > >From CBC's "the Royal Canadian Air Farce" > > > This is the funniest thing I have seen in a long time -- of course, as the Greek epic poet Homer once said, "I laugh that I may not cry." Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 13:40:25 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #273, March 5, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 273: March 5, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Federal Court Refuses Telus Appeal ** New Montreal Area Code Set ** Mandatory 10-Digit Dialing Starts in Toronto ** Telcos Must Continue Providing Loops ** Bell to Lease Hydro Fibre ** Videotron Shifts Focus, Lays Off 420 ** JDS Cuts 3,000 Staff ** Telus Issues Stock Options to All Employees ** Bell Claims Futureway Blocking Access Again ** Telesat and TMI Want Contribution Exemption ** Telus Proposes Free Calling Area in Okanagan ** Williams Wins $10-Million Quebec Deal ** Cable Phone Service Comes to Bridgewater ** SaskTel Offers Mobile Browser ** Report Sees 33% Growth in Data Market ** Virus Targets @Home Customers ** Financial Reports 360networks Cell-Loc Minacs Telesat ** Angus to Speak on Telecom Upheaval ** How to Assess Call Centre Performance ============================================================ FEDERAL COURT REFUSES TELUS APPEAL: On February 9, the Federal Court turned down Telus's application to appeal CRTC Decision 2000-745, which established the new telecom subsidy regime (see Telecom Update #264). The court did not give reasons for the denial. Telus is considering its options. NEW MONTREAL AREA CODE SET: Telecom Update has learned that Montreal's new Area Code will be 438. It will be introduced as an overlay in the current 514 area in 2003. MANDATORY 10-DIGIT DIALING STARTS IN TORONTO: Effective today, Toronto has two Area Codes, 416 and 647, and 10-digit dialing is mandatory for all local calls in the city. TELCOS MUST CONTINUE PROVIDING LOOPS: CRTC Order 2001-184 rules that the incumbent phone companies must continue providing unbundled local loops and transit service to competitors, at cost plus 25%, until a competitive market for such facilities has emerged. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-184.htm BELL TO LEASE HYDRO FIBRE: Bell Canada has signed an agreement to activate 12,000 strand-kilometres of dark fibre owned by Hydro One in the Windsor-Ottawa corridor. The telco will then lease network capacity from the power utility and offer access to business customers. (See Telecom Update #257) VIDEOTRON SHIFTS FOCUS, LAYS OFF 420: Videotron Telecom is withdrawing from several lines of business and will focus on sales to other carriers and large corporations. Eugene Marquis is returning to head the company; half of its 850 staffers will be gone by August. Quebecor says it still wants to sell the business. ** Videotron Communications now offers e-mail via TV. The service is free; the wireless keyboard costs $99.95. JDS CUTS 3,000 STAFF: JDS Uniphase is eliminating 3,000 staff positions in Ottawa and California, about 10% of its total. Most of the cuts affect manufacture of passive components for fibre networks. TELUS ISSUES STOCK OPTIONS TO ALL EMPLOYEES: Telus Communications will issue at least 300 stock options, over three years, to each employee not currently holding Telus options; those with highly valued skill sets will be eligible for additional options. Employees received the first 100 options March 1, exercisable at $34.88. Options are vested in two years and expire in 10 years. BELL CLAIMS FUTUREWAY BLOCKING ACCESS AGAIN: Bell Canada says that a Toronto contractor denied it access to new apartment buildings in Toronto, citing an "exclusive contract" with Futureway. Bell has complained to the CRTC before that Futureway's deals with builders are preventing Bell from serving customers (see Telecom Update #245). TELESAT AND TMI WANT CONTRIBUTION EXEMPTION: BCE subsidiaries Telesat Canada and TMI Communications have asked the CRTC to exempt them from contribution payments under the new telecom subsidy regime. Both companies say they provide telecom services to remote areas of Canada at a loss, without any offsetting compensation. TELUS PROPOSES FREE CALLING AREA IN OKANAGAN: Telus Communications has asked the CRTC to approve expanded free calling in the Okanagan area (TN 4127). Customer line charges would increase by $.90 (residence), $1.85 (business), or $.50 (Centrex). http://www.crtc.gc.ca/8740/eng/2001/T46.htm WILLIAMS WINS $10-MILLION QUEBEC DEAL: Williams Communications Canada is taking over support and maintenance for some 1,000 Nortel Norstar phone systems used by the Quebec government. The two-year contract is valued at $10 million. CABLE PHONE SERVICE COMES TO BRIDGEWATER: EastLink Cable Systems has begun offering local telephone service to business and residential customers in Bridgewater, N.S. EastLink's cable-based local phone service has been available in Halifax since May 2000. SASKTEL OFFERS MOBILE BROWSER: Users of SaskTel Mobility's digital PCS network can now access e-mail and a variety of informational services. REPORT SEES 33% GROWTH IN DATA MARKET: A report by the Convergence Consulting Group says that the market for data transmission and Internet access in Canada reached $4.8 billion last year and will hit $6.4 billion by the end of 2002. http://www.convergenceonline.com VIRUS TARGETS @HOME CUSTOMERS: Rogers has warned users of its @Home Internet service against an e-mail virus that masquerades as an advisory from @Home tech support. FINANCIAL REPORTS: ** 360networks reports 4Q cash revenue of US$217 million and a net loss of $155 million. The company has reduced projections for 2001 revenue by about 20% and has trimmed $500 million from its high-end forecast of 2001 capital spending. ** Cell-Loc, a developer of wireless location technology, reports an $11.4 million net loss in the fourth quarter; it received no significant revenue. Cell-Loc raised $25.1 million in new equity investment in January. (See Telecom Update #265) ** Minacs Worldwide, a Markham, Ont-based call centre outsourcer, recorded $95.2 million in revenue last year, a 41% increase. Net income was $2.3 million, up from $601,000. ** Telesat's sales last year were $272 million, an 11% increase. Net earnings were $47.4 million. ANGUS TO SPEAK ON TELECOM UPHEAVAL: What's driving change in telecom today? 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 17:07:22 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone Companies Rally to Avoid a Credit Squeeze Phone Companies Rally to Avoid a Credit Squeeze A half-dozen telecom industry executives, lawyers and bankers met Friday with Roger Ferguson, vice chairman of the Federal Reserve's Board of Governors, to discuss the difficulties that upstart carriers are having in raising capital and to talk about the industry's potential to boost productivity in the economy. Spunky local phone carriers trying to compete against the Baby Bells were the darlings of Wall Street until market sentiment turned against the sector at the end of last year. Now some of the more competitive of those carriers are struggling to find backing in the debt and equity markets. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,22609,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 17:30:30 -0500 From: mau@beatles.cselt.it (Maurizio Codogno) Subject: Re: French coin phones (was RE: Peace Train) Jay R. Ashworth scripsit: : On 5 Mar 2001 07:21:19 -0500, : Steve Hayes wrote: : > When the Euro coins come in next year, I fear it may be gone. I : > should have paid more attention to it and less to the delights of the : > cafeteria! : : No, you should have taken a *picture* of it, and sent it to 2600.... I did not think there were still French coin phones - at least, I never saw them in Paris last year! ciao, .mau. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 5 Mar 2001 20:17:52 -0500 From: Todd McLaughlin Subject: Wire Separation How much space do I need between parallel runs of network, power(110VAC), and phone lines? I read 6" for network and power, but I didn't know if that's an absolute minimum or a safe minimum, or if it should be avoided at all costs. Thanks! Todd - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 23:44:01 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 3/5/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800, ENUM and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ CONTENTS - - WILL NEW.NET HASTEN ICANN'S DEMISE TO HAS.BEEN? - - AFILIAS POSTS ITS TM INSTRUCTIONS FOR DOT INFO - - ICANN DOMAIN NAMES BEHIND SCHEDULE - - THE BEST PRACTICES GUIDELINES OF CENTR - - ICANN'S DOT BIZ POSTS TM INSTRUCTIONS - - WHEN IS A POLICY NOT A POLICY? 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Their concept isn’t new. Other companies already are selling domain names outside the ICANN structure. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5135 Related Reading: F - What happens when we begin to think of the Domain Name System not as an intrinsic core service of the Internet, but rather as an elective service that can be offered by many providers and among which customers and user select based on the packages offered by the providers? http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=2986 P - AFILIAS POSTS ITS TM INSTRUCTIONS FOR DOT INFO The Land Rush Period will commence immediately after the conclusion of the Cooling Off portion of the Sunrise Period. (I couldn't make this stuff up.) CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5137 Related Reading: F - ICANN troublemaker (and Vice-President, Secretary, and General Counsel) Louis Touton bullied, badgered and smirked throughout the afternoon, lobbying for his preferred applicant and TLD, Afilias and .WEB, he thought triumphantly, apparently oblivious to his embarassing public display of indiscretion. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4772 F - There's a good bit of nefarious and often incestuous goings on with the existing behemoths and ICANN. 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Click here to learn how you can setup an affiliate program for your product or service. http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_MTAF \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ F - ICANN DOMAIN NAMES BEHIND SCHEDULE The new registry operators blamed the delays on 3-year-old ICANN's legal inexperience. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5134 Related Reading: P - Tuesday: New TLD applications forms to be posted, are missing in action. Wednesday: ICANN Chief Financial Officer Andrew McLaughlin tells Newsbytes' David McGuire that the new TLD application forms would be posted on Thursday. Thursday: ICANN posts a Seinfeld-esque announcement of a one-month delay. Friday: Yet another announcement of "criteria" for applications, as if applications forms were never due on Monday to begin with... as if ... (See schedule at bottom.) http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4274 P - Delaying a month and cutting the application period down to less than a month, with no prior notice and against a board resolution goes beyond any expectation of a fair and open process. But it is ICANN business as usual. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4263 P - THE BEST PRACTICES GUIDELINES OF CENTR ... aka the COUNCIL OF EUROPEAN NATIONAL TOP-LEVEL DOMAIN REGISTRIES, includes, of potential interest to commercial ccTLD businesses, "The ccTLD Manager, in consultation with and unless agreed otherwise with the Local Internet Community, and consistent with the requirement to best serve the interests of the Local Internet Community, should be resident in the territory of the ccTLD and, if the ccTLD Manager is a corporation, the ccTLD Manager should be incorporated there." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5138 Related Reading: F - Are ccTLD's technically driven or policy driven? http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5092 F - Under ICANN's proposed $5M budget, 90% of funds are to be provided by the Registrar, gTLD, and ccTLD constituencies, while the Business, ISP/Connectivity Providers and Intellectual Property constituencies pay nothing. Pretty much says whose running the show, doesn't it. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5009 /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= advertisement =-=-=-\ It costs nothing to register your phone numbers for a Bango test run. 800 numbers, cell phone numbers, local lines, can all point to your Web site. http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_bango1 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Spend your time marketing and promoting your business, not doing the daily tasks! Get software that will do all your 'dirty work' for you. There is software that will automatically filter your email, run your newsletters, import your leads or orders into a database, automatically email your personalized customer database, take care of an unlimited amount of autoresponses, etc. Click here to learn more about software that can do this for you. http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_MTSW \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ P - ICANN'S DOT BIZ POSTS TM INSTRUCTIONS The Start-up Intellectual Property Notification service ("SIPN") will begin approximately 150 days prior to the Commencement of Service Date. Then there's the Landrush Phase, in anticipation of conflicting trademark-qualifying domain registrations. A good time promises to be had by all. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5136 Related Reading: P - So-called alternative roots have functioned peacefully and productively for years by following a simple, practical policy: someone may enter a new TLD into the root, if that TLD does not already exist in any of the roots. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5003 F - They avoided the conflict with .WEB by not awarding that string to any applicant. The same should have applied to .BIZ, but they ignored it. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4952 F - WHEN IS A POLICY NOT A POLICY? The ICANN bylaws provide that ICANN staff aren't supposed to be initiating domain name policies, yet the Verisign contract revision involves a variety of such policies, as do the policy decisions embodied in the proposed new TLD agreements. 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It would appear that French law requires the presence of at least one pay phone in every town (and another for every 15,00 inhabitants). Hermival's was located in front of town hall. To top it off, I found a one-franc coin in the return box. Seth - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 00:49:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Turn-off Turn-off A way to short-circuit unofficial imports of electronic goods is devised Motorola has devised a way to stop televisions, cell phones and VCRs working if they have been bought on the "grey" market. The technique allows manufacturers to shut down unofficially imported electronic goods. But European free-trade rules may outlaw the system. http://www.newscientist.com/dailynews/news.jsp?id=ns9999452 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 02:24:15 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Motorola Gets Over $1 Billion From Cellular Sale Motorola Gets Over $1 Billion From Cellular Sale CHICAGO (Reuters) - Motorola Inc. (MOT.N), the world's No. 2 mobile phone maker, said on Monday it has received more than $1 billion cash from the sale of investments in five non-U.S. cellular operating companies. The company said that since Jan. 1 it had received cash payments for the sale of its investments in cellular operations in Brazil, Egypt, Israel, Jordan and Pakistan. In addition, Motorola has agreements to sell similar investments in Hong Kong and Mexico that could provide up to $2 billion in cash or stock by the third quarter. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/Technology/article.asp?docid=RTTECH-TELECOMS-MOTOROLA-DC&date=20010305 http://www.quote.com/quotecom/news/story.asp?symbols=mot&story=20412956 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 02:24:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Superheroes needing a place to change may have to turn to cyberspace for privacy. Not only are telephone booths disappearing, the pay phone itself is fast becoming the dinosaur of telecommunications. Corporate executives in the pay-phone industry said they hope offering Internet access and seeking regulatory protection will let them escape the stranglehold with which wireless phones are choking the life out of public phones. http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2692733,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 04:26:00 -0500 From: terpster Subject: Re: CNID question: I forward my home phone to other locations frequently. If caller ID is received, it is always the calling party, not my home number. Joseph Singer wrote: > In North America if you have forwarding in effect either regular forwarding > or forward on busy or no answer is the caller ID information received at > the receiving end the number of the original number originating the call or > is the number of the number through which the number was forwarded shown? > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #25 ******************************* Date: 7 Mar 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #26 Telecom Digest Wednesday, March 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 026 In this issue: VoIP Test Software VoIP Test Software VoIP Test Software Area code database lookup/validator? Source for Wireless Plans Re: Area code database lookup/validator? Re: Source for Wireless Plans call "gap" problem 3/6/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 6 Mar 2001 08:49:05 -0500 From: "Paula Acker" Subject: VoIP Test Software comAt NetIQ we are about to beta a new version of our Chariot test software with VoIP support. Chariot 4.1 will allow you to predict voice quality on your data network, determine how many voice channels your network can support, and what needs to be done to improve network quality for voice - all without requiring any VoIP equipment. You can measure voice quality score (MOS), jitter, one-way delay, throughput, lost packets, etc on your network. We are looking for beta participants who can provide quality feedback. If you are interested, go to our website at http://www.netiq.com/voip/ and sign-up for the Chariot beta program. If you have any questions, send email to voip-beta@netiq.com Paula Acker Product Manager NetIQ Corporation - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 08:49:04 -0500 From: "Paula Acker" Subject: VoIP Test Software At NetIQ we are about to beta a new version of our Chariot test software with VoIP support. Chariot 4.1 will allow you to predict voice quality on your data network, determine how many voice channels your network can support, and what needs to be done to improve network quality for voice - all without requiring any VoIP equipment. You can measure voice quality score (MOS), jitter, one-way delay, throughput, lost packets, etc on your network. We are looking for beta participants who can provide quality feedback. If you are interested, go to our website at http://www.netiq.com/voip/ and sign-up for the Chariot beta program. If you have any questions, send email to voip-beta@netiq.com Paula Acker Product Manager NetIQ Corporation - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 08:49:06 -0500 From: "Paula Acker" Subject: VoIP Test Software At NetIQ we have just started to beta the new version of our Chariot test software with VoIP support. Chariot 4.1 will allow you to predict voice quality on your data network, determine how many voice channels your network can support, and what you need to do to improve network quality for voice - all without requiring any VoIP equipment. You can measure voice quality score (MOS), jitter, one-way delay, throughput, lost packets, etc on your network. We are still looking for beta participants who can provide quality feedback. If you are interested, go to our website at http://www.netiq.com/voip/ and sign-up for the Chariot beta program. If you have any questions, you can send me email at voip-beta@netiq.com Paula Acker Product Manager NetIQ Corporation - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 10:02:25 -0500 From: "Mark C. Petersen" Subject: Area code database lookup/validator? Every year or so I put together a directory of about 2000 institutions of interest to my customers in our little corner of an industry. In the U.S., at least, trying to stay on top of changing area codes is always a challenge. I have the usual name/address/city,st,zip/phone data in my database. What I want to do is reference an online database or lookup table that will tell me if the area code I have for a given city is valid. In a batch, that is; it's not really practical to manually go through 2000+ entries. I'm a fair dBASE programmer, so writing a comparator program isn't out of the question. I just need the database of cities with their associated valid area codes to reference. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. >> Mark - -- _______________________________________________ Mark C. Petersen info@lochness.com Loch Ness Productions http://www.lochness.com ___ GEODESIUM _________________________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 10:54:37 -0500 From: "Mike Ward" Subject: Source for Wireless Plans There used to be, and still may be, an online trade magazine that described the various rate plans for wireless service in most major U.S. cities. Could someone point me toward online sources for this kind of information? Mike Ward Asst. Prof. Univ. of Illinois ward@uiuc.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 15:15:53 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? On 6 Mar 2001 10:02:25 -0500, Mark C. Petersen wrote: > I have the usual name/address/city,st,zip/phone data in my database. > What I want to do is reference an online database or lookup table that > will tell me if the area code I have for a given city is valid. In a > batch, that is; it's not really practical to manually go through 2000+ > entries. I'm a fair dBASE programmer, so writing a comparator program > isn't out of the question. I just need the database of cities with > their associated valid area codes to reference. NANPA (www.nanpa.com) maintains a regularly updated file of assigned NPA-NXX codes, by region. You could script the process of grabbing those, unpacking them, translating them into the format you need, and loading your database, in probably a couple hours, if you were a Unix guy. Do you need to cross check it by location? Or just validate it? Cheers - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 15:30:24 -0500 From: Robert Eden Subject: Re: Source for Wireless Plans "Mike Ward" wrote in message news:vf7p6.8659$dL4.114885@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu... > There used to be, and still may be, an online trade magazine that described > the various rate plans for wireless service in most major U.S. cities. > Could someone point me toward online sources for this kind of information? Don't know about a trade Rag, but check out http://www.point.com/default.asp Robert - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 6 Mar 2001 16:03:37 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: call "gap" problem I received the following query for help; perhaps some of you can suggest possible reasons for the problem outlined. *********** A very high volume call company is experiencing gaps in their incoming calls from their toll free numbers. They normally receive one call per minute, however, over the past 7 months, they have experienced gaps where they receive no calls for 10 to 20 minutes. They have tested the company's equipment -- everything tests OK. They have worked with the carrier -- everything is OK. They have changed carriers -- the problem still exists. And they have even worked with SMS/800 - no problems there either. Could someone purposely or accidentally be cyphering calls away? Here is a quick timeline: June 1997 - Cable and Wireless installed first T1 July 1998 - first started seeing minor problems with gapping. Moved local loop from ICI to Bell South October 1999 - Switched from Cable and Wireless to Sprint -- gapping still occurring Current - 3 T1's. Cable and Wireless have 2 of the T1's and Sprint has the other. Gapping is occurring with both carriers which leads them to believe that the problem is occurring before the call even gets to the carrier. They believe the local carrier is Bell South. *********** ??? tia - Judith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://ICBTollFreeNews.com "An important source of inside information," says InfoWorld; "superb", "invaluable", "critically intelligent", "exceedingly useful", report ICB Premium Subscribers. 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5139 Related Reading: F - Mr. Carl Bildt, the former Prime Minister of Sweden and noted United Nations envoy, will serve as Chair of the nine member ICANN Study Committee. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5027 F - An international cadre of advocacy groups formed to study the governance of the powerful Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) got a boost Wednesday, when the Markle Foundation announced it would donate $432,000 to the study effort. 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Spammer with a toll free number greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Re: GPS in flight Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Re: call "gap" problem Call "gap" problem Costs Rise for Calls to Mobiles When two gadgets become one Kyocera Recalls Cell Phones Supreme Court to Weigh Local-Phone Interconnection Contracts ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 7 Mar 2001 10:13:33 -0500 From: "Mark C. Petersen" Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > Do you need to cross check it by location? Or just validate it? Well, overlays complicate the issue, I suppose. I just want to know, as one example, if Florence Alabama, which I have an entry for as (205), should now be (256). (205) might still be valid in an overlay situation, of course, but if it were a geographical split, I'd want to be flagged and be that much ahead of the game. >> Mark - -- _______________________________________________ Mark C. Petersen info@lochness.com Loch Ness Productions http://www.lochness.com ___ GEODESIUM _________________________________ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 12:09:41 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? On 4 Mar 2001 00:15:16 -0500, "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: >An Aircraft Station is a Mobile >Station, and an Aeronautical Station is a Land Station. Does this prohibit communication air<->maritime on the same freqs as air<->ground then? Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 12:09:46 -0500 From: Denis Mcmahon Subject: Re: call "gap" problem On 6 Mar 2001 16:03:37 -0500, "Judith Oppenheimer" wrote: >A very high volume call company is experiencing gaps in their incoming >calls from their toll free numbers. Hmm, is the 800 number translation being carried out on a platform that is susceptible to outages? Rgds Denis - -- Denis McMahon Usenet: Trim quotes Mobile: +44 7802 468949 Reply at the end Email: denis@pickaxe.demon.co.uk Don't use html I trim ng when posting! Email domain blocking in use - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 12:10:29 -0500 From: jra@dorothy.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? On 7 Mar 2001 10:13:33 -0500, Mark C. Petersen wrote: > "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > > Do you need to cross check it by location? Or just validate it? > > Well, overlays complicate the issue, I suppose. I just want to know, as > one example, if Florence Alabama, which I have an entry for as (205), > should now be (256). (205) might still be valid in an overlay > situation, of course, but if it were a geographical split, I'd want to > be flagged and be that much ahead of the game. Oh. You need to know about prefix moves in area code splits. Go poke around lincmad.com, he might have something you can use. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 12:30:26 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Spammer with a toll free number Be sure to call the following number and find out all you can about the services they offer. The best way is to call from a pay phone so they can't call you back if you are not interested in their services, plus it helps these little pain phone operators earn extra money. For immediate delivery call Paging America at toll free at 877-699-8547 Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:41:20 -0500 From: "Backover, Andy" Subject: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Greetings: I am the telecom reporter for USA TODAY. I am frequently looking for consumers to interview for stories on telecom issues, such as pricing, technology and competition. I am working on a story about 411 directory assistance. I was wondering if anyone who frequents this chat room might be interested in speaking to me. I've really enjoyed the topics that you discuss. Regards, Andrew Backover USA TODAY 703-558-5686 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 15:34:44 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY "Backover, Andy" writes: >From: "Backover, Andy" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY >Date: 7 Mar 2001 14:41:20 -0500 >Organization: I.E.C.C. >Lines: 17 > >Greetings: I am the telecom reporter for USA TODAY. I am frequently looking >for consumers to interview for stories on telecom issues, such as pricing, >technology and competition. > >I am working on a story about 411 directory assistance. I was wondering if >anyone who frequents this chat room might be interested in speaking to me. >I've really enjoyed the topics that you discuss. > >Regards, >Andrew Backover >USA TODAY >703-558-5686 As reprinted in Telecom Digest a few years ago: | An editorial from the Boston Globe, March 8, 1996... | | But can they spell Leominister? | ------------------------------- | More tales from the chip, proving once again -- as if anybody | needed proof -- that the age of telecommunications can be darn weird. | Consider the illogic of AT&T customers dialing Massachusetts directory | assistance from outside the state and being routed to information | operators in Arizona. | Hello?! That's way west of the Charles. Not even in the | Berkshires. So distant it's never even heard of Cotuit, Leominster, | Scituate, Tyngsborough, Worcester, Wrentham or the rest of the | quirky spellings we call home. Sorry, no "Marsha's Vineyard," say the | Phoenix operators. No "Born" on Cape Cod. | Such calls and others have landed at the Cape Cod Chamber of | Commerce over the past year as Western operators tried to connect people | with natives who actually speak the language. | Is this any way to run a switchboard? AT&T admits mistakes but | says it's part of the learning curve leading to a more efficient system. | The new telecommunications act makes local phone companies and | long-distance carriers more competitive. So when the contract between | AT&T and Nynex expired last summer, AT&T began using the Arizona service | for all five New England states and parts of New York. | Excell Agent Services in Phoenix, which handles long-distance | information for several companies, gives operators tests on the geography | of client states. Its chief executive officer, Dan Evanoff, says the | same 25 people are handling most Massachusetts inquiries and are getting | better at pronunciations. Even "Pibiddy," he notes, then pauses and | spells out "Peabody." | Hey, no problem. A lot of New Englanders could make "Tempe" sound | like a city in Florida. What's going on here is bigger than regionalisms. | It's about electronics that can plunk callers deep into the desert when | they think they're in Hyannis. It's about dialing the local bank and | landing in Chicago. It's about 800 numbers that could be on Mars for all | we know because the world is one big conference call. A lot of us feel | as though we're on hold. | Things will get better. After they get worse. | | ------------------------------ | | Notes for Non-Massachusetts natives: | | 1. The Charles River which runs through Boston and which | has been likened to the Thames in London. | However, it is pronounced just like the | name Charles, and not "Tems." | | 2. The Berkshires The mountain range at the western extreme | of Massachusetts, about as far west as a | New Englander can go and still be consided | in the known world. | | 3. Cotuit A town on Cape Cod. Pronounce "co TOO it" | | 4. Leominister A small city in Massachusetts, pronounced | "leh min STER" | | 5. Tyngsborough Another Massachusetts town, pronounced | "TINGS buh roe" | | 6. Worcester The second largest city in Massachusetts, | and the bane of TV newscasters unfamiliar | with the pronounciation "wis TAH" | | 7. Wrentham Nope, no rented ham here. This town is | pronounced "RENTH um" | | 8. Marsha's Vineyard Guess nobody in Phoenix remember's Senator | Ted Kennedy's mishap at Chappaquidick on | Martha's Vineyard, a island off the coast | of Cape Cod. | | 9. Born Try looking it up under the spelling Bourne. | This is New ENGLAND. | | 10. Tempe I don't get this. It's next to St. Petersburg, | isn't it? | - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 15:40:31 -0500 From: tadawson@bozo.d-tech.net (Tim Dawson) Subject: Re: GPS in flight I ran my Garmin GPS-III Plus from Dallas to Seattle last year and had decent, if not perfect coverage. I did have to sit next to the window, and point the antenna out it, and did lose signal on final approach when the plane made a steep turn, and I was on the low side. - - Tim "Tad Cook" writes: >Related to the current thread on cellphone use from planes, >I was on an Alaska Airlines flight recently, and the flight >attendent made the usual speech once we were airborne about >electronic devices that we could now use once we had taken >off. I was surprised to hear him list GPS receivers along >with laptop computers as acceptable devices. >Has anyone successfully used a GPS from a commercial >airline flight? I have a really cheap one that came with a >DeLorme map program, and haven't had any luck. I did have >a really nice experience using it from the observation car >of a train in Oregon last year, but that is looking up, not >out from a plane window. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- ================================================================================ Tim Dawson (tadawson@d-techcorp.com) Chief Technologist D-Tech Corporation Voice: (972)-567-9360 Dallas, Texas 75252 FAX: (972)-221-0393 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 17:28:03 -0500 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY abackover@usatoday.com (Backover, Andy) wrote >I am working on a story about 411 directory assistance. I was wondering if >anyone who frequents this chat room might be interested in speaking to me. >I've really enjoyed the topics that you discuss. There was quite a controversy when Bell Canada contracted with a U.S. provider of D.A. services. I believe some folks calling their local 411 operator from some cities in Canada wind up talking to operators in Phoenix or some such American city. As bandwidth becomes so cheap and as labour becomes more expensive, the DA jobs will move to the place were the appropriate (and cheaper) labour pool is available. As an example, New Brunswick, Canada's only officially bilingual (French English) province has many call centres because they have a pool of bilingual workers and the cost of living and labour rates are fairly reasonable. - -- Incontinence Hotline, can you hold please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 17:55:12 -0500 From: bidulock@openss7.org Subject: Re: call "gap" problem Judith, Another possibility (if the volume is real high) is automatic call gapping controls applied at the 800 database or switch. These controls limit congestion on the 800 database and effectively block transactions (calls) for a short interval. This has a choking effect, but when you look at very granular call stats, it might appear as a kind of comb effect. Denis Mcmahon wrote: > On 6 Mar 2001 16:03:37 -0500, "Judith Oppenheimer" > wrote: >>A very high volume call company is experiencing gaps in their incoming >>calls from their toll free numbers. > Hmm, is the 800 number translation being carried out on a platform > that is susceptible to outages? > Rgds > Denis - -- Brian F. G. Bidulock bidulock@openss7.org http://www.openss7.org/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 20:30:38 -0500 From: langlo6@attglobal.net Subject: Call "gap" problem Judith: Re. 1.800 "gaps" Check with the service providers, who may have imposed a "cap" or "call volume ceiling". Telcos will set a limit to the absolute number of inbound toll-free calls allowed within a given time-frame, and will often do this when the inbound call volume reaches a high number. Note that the limit may not be set by the company's carrier but by the carrier who delivers to this company. Since this is done to the 1-800 number, changing end carriers will not solve the problem as the caller carrier (the carrier who routes the call to the company's carrier) may be the one imposing the (artificial) limit. This means that 1.800 calls originating from one part of the serving geographic area may be delivered successfully (since that originating telco has no limit on 1.800 calls) while calls from another part of the serving geographic area are blocked (because that originating telco has a set a limit on 1.800 calls). For example, here in Canada Bell Canada (serving Ontario and Quebec) has imposed this limit on a Canadian federal government department which receives LOTS and LOTS and LOTS of 1.800 calls on Friday nights from all across Canada. When the preset level of "allowable" 1.800 calls exceeds Bell's limits, the caller gets an "all circuits busy" tone, and the call never gets to the IVR for processing. Changing the application to use AT&T or Sprint would probably not fix the cap since it is Bell which has decided to not let the call go through, and in this case Bell is the entity delivering the call to the IVR. Note this can be "Hard To Find". Just a thought, hope it helps. David Langlois, with lots of help from Harvey Pardy. Ottawa, Canada - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 22:32:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Costs Rise for Calls to Mobiles Costs Rise for Calls to Mobiles AT&T customers who make a lot of overseas calls might be well advised to make sure the folks they're contacting aren't using mobile phones. In a move to recoup extra costs it incurs for processing calls to cell phones overseas, the carrier has started charging different rates depending on whether customers place a call to a mobile or to a land line phone. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42268,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 23:03:04 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: When two gadgets become one When two gadgets become one Handspring's VisorPhone is the first cool combination of cellphone and personal digital assistant. - - - - - - - - - - - - - By Simson Garfinkel March 7, 2001 | Guess what -- convergence is finally here, and it fits in the palm of your hand, courtesy of Handspring. It's the VisorPhone, a new cellular phone half the size of Motorola's venerable StarTAC and weighing just 2.9 ounces. It slides into the back of a Handspring Visor PDA and turns the Palm-compatible organizer into a full-featured cellphone. I've had this phone for more than a month now, and I love it. http://www.salon.com/tech/col/garf/2001/03/07/visorphone/index.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 7 Mar 2001 23:19:59 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Kyocera Recalls Cell Phones Kyocera Recalls Cell Phones Kyocera Wireless, which is now recalling a handset that may exceed federal radiation emission standards, says the phone shouldn't adversely affect the health of the 11,000 Qwest Communications customers who use it. But the debate on whether cell phone emissions pose a health risk to users is far from being put to rest. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42234,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2001 02:17:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Supreme Court to Weigh Local-Phone Interconnection Contracts Supreme Court to Weigh Local-Phone Interconnection Contracts WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said it will decide whether federal courts can review decisions by state regulators who oversee the rates would-be competitors pay to plug into existing local calling networks. Acting Monday, the justices agreed to consider an appeal that once again forces them into a debate over provisions of the much-litigated 1996 telecommunications reform law. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,22638,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #27 ******************************* Date: 9 Mar 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #28 Telecom Digest Friday, March 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 028 In this issue: Re: call "gap" problem Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? 3/8/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 8 Mar 2001 07:23:56 -0500 From: mcintosh@research.telcordia.com (Allen Mcintosh) Subject: Re: call "gap" problem In article <986dps$oni$1@bfgbhome.inetint.com>, wrote: >Another possibility (if the volume is real high) is automatic >call gapping controls applied at the 800 database or switch. >These controls limit congestion on the 800 database and >effectively block transactions (calls) for a short interval. >This has a choking effect, but when you look at very granular >call stats, it might appear as a kind of comb effect. True, but the usual gap is around one second - not nearly large enough to explain a ten minute outage. As Brian says, it takes a lot of traffic to provoke call gaps - 10's or 100's of queries per second - and the traffic has to persist for several minutes. Has the customer tried calling their 800 number during one of these outages? Seems like a little direct experimentation is called for. >Denis Mcmahon wrote: >> Hmm, is the 800 number translation being carried out on a platform >> that is susceptible to outages? No, and in any case SCP's are deployed in pairs. If one croaks, it doesn't take 10 minutes for the other one to take up the slack. A 10 minute outage would make the next day's newspapers. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2001 08:45:51 -0500 From: wbrownlo@my-deja.com (William \"Bill\" Brownlow) Subject: Re: Norstar MICS - I need to extend stations 4200 feet from KSU On 1 Mar 2001 21:12:22 -0500, "Nortec" wrote: >You already posted this last week in the Nortel newsgroup and received your >answer. What else are you looking for? Someone else to blame when it doesn't work? > >"George Driskill" wrote in message >news:97e2d8$k3h$1@nnrp.atgi.net... >> I need to be able to run a dozen Norstar M7310 Telephones and/or a Norstar >> MICS Fiber Station Module 4200 feet away from the KSU. I have 22 awg >25-pair >> phone cable installed and I have a 6-strand Multi-Mode 62.5/125 micron >Fiber >> Optics installed. No, I haven't tried a power supply with the copper yet. >> I've been told that 3000 feet was the limit. I wanted to know someone else >> has done it successfully first. I also heard of an after-market fiber >> extender to be able to install a Fiber Station Module in the remote >> location, but I don't know the name of the manufacturer. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> George Driskill >> Driskill Communications >> george@driskill.com >> 415.892.2659 Office >> 707.795.6674 Same Office >> 707.664.8282 Fax >> 707.321.3775 Cel >> -- >> The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >> messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2001 11:46:54 -0500 From: scsmediafmp@aol.com (Steven Scharf) Subject: Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY It would help your reputation as a telcom reporter if you first knew the difference between a chat room and a newsgroup or mailing list. This is a newsgroup/mailing list (distributed both ways). Chat rooms are real time type of messages and getting response instantly. Steven Scharf SCS Media Services PO Box 4135 Portland, Maine 04101 Tel: 207-774-9393 Fax: 207-774-1819 SCSMedia@aol.com "Backover, Andy" abackover@usatoday.com asked: Greetings: I am the telecom reporter for USA TODAY. I am frequently looking for consumers to interview for stories on telecom issues, such as pricing, technology and competition. I am working on a story about 411 directory assistance. I was wondering if anyone who frequents this chat room might be interested in speaking to me. I've really enjoyed the topics that you discuss. Regards, Andrew Backover USA TODAY 703-558-5686 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2001 21:15:07 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Kyler Laird" wrote > "Michael D. Sullivan" writes: > > >In any event, the allocation table does not address what stations can > >communicate in any given band; it does not govern uses of spectrum or users > >of spectrum. > > Is it correct to interpret this as meaning that the > stuff about PCS phones (not on the same band as AMPS > phones use) being illegal to use airborne was not > correct? That's the conclusion that former FCC Chief Engineer Dale Hatfield reached in the news items that started this thread. Its a reasonable reading of the rules, too. (There's *never* just one way to read the FCC rules! The FCC staff has been known to read things into the rules that one would never suspect to be there. Occasionally the courts call the FCC on this. When I headed the FCC's division in charge of cellular back in the mid-80s, I admit I very occasionally came up with rule interpretations that were unexpected to one or another party.) > Thanks for the great references. You're welcome. - --Mike - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 8 Mar 2001 21:19:09 -0500 From: "Michael D. Sullivan" Subject: Re: Cell phones in flight don't work? "Denis Mcmahon" wrote: > On 4 Mar 2001 00:15:16 -0500, "Michael D. Sullivan" wrote: > > >An Aircraft Station is a Mobile > >Station, and an Aeronautical Station is a Land Station. > > Does this prohibit communication air<->maritime on the same freqs as > air<->ground then? You'd have to look at the particular service rules. For example, I know that the aeronautical mobile service rules permit communications between aircraft stations and certain maritime stations under limited conditions (search and rescue vessels, for example). Whether this is permitted more generally or not would depend on how the rules for the service are written. The cellular rules do not specifically permit cellular phones to communicate with anything other than a cellular base station, because the phone is only licensed to operate when it is under the control of a base station, and operates under the base station's license. I don't know too much about aeronautical and maritime station rules. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2001 21:30:23 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 3/8/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ____________________________________________________ from ICB Toll Free News - Daily News and Intelligence covering the Political, Legal and Marketing Arenas of 800, ENUM and Dot Com. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ CONTENTS for March 8, 2001 - - NEUSTAR AWARDED THE EUROPEAN TELEPHONY NUMBERING SPACE - - INTERNET CRISIS CAN BE AVERTED, SAYS EXPERT - - THE REMAKING OF A MONOPOLY - - SUPER BOWL ADVERTISERS STICK WITH A WINNER - - JESUS.CHRIST.NAME - - CONGRESS PETITIONED TO EXAMINE INTERNET ISSUES - - DEAR DR. CERF - - ICANN gTLD REGISTRY SELECTION: WAS IT A CONTEST? 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CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5144 Related Reading: P - In the Neustar-ITU model of ENUM, the only "authoritative" domain is E164.ARPA, the only likely provider is the numbering and portability plan administrator for the country code, who also serves as the only legitimate authenticator. All of which happens to be Neustar. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4855 P - North American Numbering Plan Administrator, ENUM driver, .biz winner ... 800 Administrator? NeuStar is aiming high and wide ... http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4814 For more information, keyword search NEUSTAR at http://www.icbtollfree.com/Search.cfm F - INTERNET CRISIS CAN BE AVERTED, SAYS EXPERT "We are seeking to establish a policy that will provide guidance to all the root zones and help them play nicely together. 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Mountain View-based VeriSign Inc., a leading maker of security software, bought Network Solutions for $19.6 billion six months ago with the hope that the name-registration business would serve as the foundation for an Internet powerhouse. "We want to create something in the mold of Cisco Systems, General Electric and Intel," said Anil Pereira, a VeriSign senior vice president who oversees the company's Internet services division. "We think we are barely scratching the surface now." http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4935 P - SUPER BOWL ADVERTISERS STICK WITH A WINNER Study finds that every toll free number was a vanity; 85% used the 800 prefix. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5148 Related Reading: P - "Advertisers who don't use a vanity 800 number spend valuable airtime explaining their phone number instead of generating interest in their product or service," continued Murray. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4097 F - "Interactivity calls for solution branding -- because consumers use the web as a tool to help them accomplish particular objectives. Online a brand can't just "be," it must do." Good point, well said in a useful article, but its worth remembering that interactivity already has solution branding - the 800 vanity number - the original interactive brand. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=214 F - JESUS.CHRIST.NAME ... from the "name-in-vain" and "what-were-they-thinking" file ... CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5143 Related Reading: F - ".NAME"? 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There is software that will automatically filter your email, run your newsletters, import your leads or orders into a database, automatically email your personalized customer database, take care of an unlimited amount of autoresponses, etc. Click here to learn more about software that can do this for you. http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_MTSW \=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=/ F - CONGRESS PETITIONED TO EXAMINE INTERNET ISSUES In the petition, sent to each member of Congress and The President, petitioners state that ICANN is recommending an action that amounts to "the regulatory taking of the business products of businesses by a department of the United States Government, namely the Department of Commerce (DoC)." CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5146 F - DEAR DR. CERF The absence of an entire point of view in these debates is as obvious as it would be if the government of the state of Florida were to set up an electoral reform committee with good honest and true Republicans and Independents, but not a single Democrat. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5150 Related Reading: F - " Cerf: Concerned that this process will turn ICANN into something it isn't." "Roberts: Well-meaning people all over the world are mistakenly calling this a global election" "Abril i Abril: Not holding an election, but trying to select a highly-qualified slate of board members." What is this? Not an election? I'm confused. ICANN has called it an election, but what is it really. Let's analyze it. http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4137 F - It's ironic, says Milton Mueller, a Syracuse University professor. Created to remove decisions from politics and government, he says, Icann is "behaving more and more like world government." Vint Cerf explains: "It boils down to money." http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4090 F - ICANN gTLD REGISTRY SELECTION: WAS IT A CONTEST? No contest, game, sweepstakes, nor related device or enterprise is legal (except in Nevada) when it contains the following 3 elements: (i) prize, (ii) consideration, and (iii) chance. If any of those 3 elements are missing, the contest is legal. If the 3 elements are present, the contest constitutes gambling, lottery, or other illegal device. CONTINUED HERE: http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=5149 Related Reading: F - The funniest event of the evening (if your taste runs to the tragicomic) was the beauty pageant of the 44 new-TLD applicants, at 3 minutes each + questions from the Board. With the prize for best entertainment probably going to the one who spent his 3 minutes railing at the unfairness of the process for selection, and hearing Esther Dyson's dry "Thank you for wasting your time". http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4918 F - The more that the gTLD hopefuls and domain-snapping corporations realise they're about to be sucker-punched thousands of times, the more we can watch the whining on RealVideo. Encore! http://www.icbtollfree.com/article.cfm?articleId=4791 ___________________________________________________ EVERY 3.6 SECONDS SOMEONE DIES FROM HUNGER http://www.hungersite.com/ ___________________________________________________ ABOUT ICB ICB HeadsUp Headlines Daily Email is sent by request. Subscriptions to Daily Email are free to qualified applicants. Visit http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_ICBsignup to sign up. Please feel free to pass along a copy to a friend, within reason so long as the message is not modified or used unfavorably. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #28 ******************************* Date: 10 Mar 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #29 Telecom Digest Saturday, March 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 029 In this issue: Telephone World - New Location Average Telecom Techs Salary: Mine is $16,000 (resume enclosed) 777 FILM-type phone application Finding GEOCODE code Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY cords and connectors query LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone Privacy Manager 90# and Hijacked LD Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone Re: cords and connectors query Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone Re: cords and connectors query Re: cords and connectors query Re: cords and connectors query Re: 90# and Hijacked LD Re: Privacy Manager ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 9 Mar 2001 13:57:02 -0500 From: Diamond Dave Subject: Telephone World - New Location Effective March 9, 2001 - Telephone World has (yet again) moved to a new location: http://phworld.netfirms.com Interesting information on the telephone network, pictures of vintage phones, and vintage and modern telephone sounds. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 13:58:52 -0500 From: Merlin Subject: Average Telecom Techs Salary: Mine is $16,000 (resume enclosed) I make about $16,000 a year, working 25 to 30 hours a week, at $11 an hour I was told that I would be given no more raises since I am supposedly being paid too much already.... I work as a Telephone technician doing installs, repairs, and off-site maintenance... My company seems to have a totally different definition of salary..... So, what is the real definition of salary ? what are your average salaries and job duties/descriptions ? R E S U M E ==================================================================================== Etop Udoh P.O. Box 633 merlin00@bellsouth.net Norcross, Georgia 30091 sdruid11@netzero.net Objective - To exercise proficiencey in engineering/computer responsibilities for any firm or company that employs the skills in real-time applications. Education - Southern College of Technology Marietta, Georgia 9/89 - 9/97 Major: Computer Science (TRANSFER) Iowa State University Ames, Iowa 8/84 - 1/87 Major: Electrical Engineering (TRANSFER) Work Experience - (1) KTA Communications - Lithonia,Georgia 5/97 - ...... Title: Phone/Electronic/Computer Technician/Installer : Testing, Repairing (Minor to average component level repairs). : Installation, Troubleshooting, and Off-Site Maintenance of Telephone Systems. (AT&T based Business Telephone, Voicemail Systems, along with some Northern Telecom Systems, Comdial, and Various other manufacturers.) (2) Quantum Products - Marietta,Georgia 6/95 - 6/97 Title: Phone Refurbisher - Testing, refurbing, repairing, and Troubleshooting of various Make of Telecom Equipment. (AT&T, Isotec, Comdial, Nec, Panasonic, Iwatsu, etc.) (3) Southern Cross Systems - Marietta,Georgia 5/93 - 8/93 Title: Laser Printer Tech - Recycling laser printer cartridges. (4) Telecommunications Service Center - RKS Telecom Alpharetta, Georgia Marietta,GA 3/92 - 4/93 Title: Hardware/Software tech - Soldering, minor component level repairs and troubleshooting of a variety of AT&T Tele- phones and Telecom equipment. : In house maintenance, repairs,and upgrades of computer equipment. (5) Cyber Lab (Computer Operations - Southern Polytechnic) Marietta, Georgia 9/89 - 8/91 Title: Lab Consultant/Computer Operator - Aiding students in debugging programs written in various languages (C, Fortran, Pascal, Cobol, etc.), using a Cyber Mainframe. : Performing system backup on a Cyber 932, TI1500, and DEC 11/70 mainframe. (6) UCI Washington - Bladensburg,Maryland 1/88 - 4/89 Title: Warehouse stock clerk/shipping receiving/Data Entry Clerk - various warehouse duties: pulling, checking orders, stocking shelfs, inventory,shipping/receiving and data entry. (7) Community Computers - Arlington,Virginia 12/87 - 1/88 Title: Computer Assembler - Testing, troubleshooting, and custom building IBM PC Computers (XT, 286, 386, kaypro PC'c, etc.) from the ground up. (8) Ames Laboratory - Dept. of Energy - Iowa state University Ames, Iowa 5/85 - 8/85 Title: Computer programmer - Transporting a GKS graphics package, with language bindings in Unix C and Fortran 77, from Unix C to Decus C while learning C and Fortran using RT-11 OS and Vax VMS. Awards - Who's Who Among American High School Students Certificate of Achievement in Computer Science (High School) Certificate of Achievement in Electronics (High School) Outstanding Senior in Computer Science (High School) Vice President - ISU Computer Science Club - -- ====================================================================== | Etop Udoh | Http://Personal.atl.bellsouth.net/~merlin00 | | P.O. Box 633 | Http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/sdruid | | Norcross, Ga | Http://www.freeyellow.com/members7/sdruid | | 30091 | Http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/bit/9122 | |-----------------| Http://sdruid.iwarp.com | | | Http://www.homestead.com/s_druid/files/index.htm | | | | *** merlin00@bellsouth.net *** sdruid11@netzero.net *** | | !! .........Trust No One - Deny Everything......... !! | ====================================================================== - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 15:18:46 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: 777 FILM-type phone application ... needed, though not for movies (ie, not competitive with AOL Moviefone/777-FILM) Anyone know vendors? Judith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://ICBTollFreeNews.com "An important source of inside information," says InfoWorld; "superb", "invaluable", "critically intelligent", "exceedingly useful", report ICB Premium Subscribers. ENTER HERE: http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_sig - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 15:22:17 -0500 From: Reddy Karri Subject: Finding GEOCODE code Hi, Is any one know how to find GEOCODE from the cell site (i.e calls orginated from a cell phone). This info. is required for as part of a tax calculation program. If any one know who should I contact, or any web site, or any documents, I greatly appreciate. Thanks Reddy reddy_k_s@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 15:28:21 -0500 From: kkmama@uta.fi (M) Subject: Re: greetings from telecom reporter at USA TODAY Steven Scharf wrote: > It would help your reputation as a telcom reporter if you first knew the > difference between a chat room and a newsgroup or mailing list. This is a > newsgroup/mailing list (distributed both ways). Chat rooms are real time type > of messages and getting response instantly. >> "Backover, Andy" abackover@usatoday.com asked: >> >> Greetings: I am the telecom reporter for USA TODAY. Steve: What do you expect from _USA TODAY_?!? cheers, M. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 18:23:29 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: cords and connectors query OK, here's my question: I know that for telephone cables for set wiring with the standard "pinch" plugs commonly known as "RJ" connectors it's a simple thing to get a crimping tool from any variety of places and connect a plug on the flat cord and make any length cord you wish. My question is are there similar crimpers for connecting the RJ45 type connectors that one would use with an ethernet port to connect to Cat-5 wire? If so where can one get such a connector? (Graybar?) Also, is there any "trick" to attaching these connectors i.e. if you have one combination of colors at one end do you do the same at the other end or do you reverse it? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 18:49:22 -0500 From: Paul Robinson Subject: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone In an article* "New Origami Trick: Turn Paper into a Functional Phone" by Dave Wilson in the Los Angeles Times, it is reported that there has been a new development in cell phones. Ones you can even throw away. Because they're made out of paper. Hall asked, "Isn't it expensive burning these brand-new clothes?" Burton shrugged, "They're made out of paper." "Paper? This cloth?" "New Process." - Dr. Hall to Dr. Burton in Dr. Michael Chrichton's "Andromeda Strain" Essentially it's the same idea. The inventor, Randice-Lisa Altschul, has figured a way to encode electronic circuits onto a piece of paper using magnetic ink. In effect, it's a credit-card sized packet of papers with an attachable earphone/mike and a keypad printed on the front of the device. Apparently the first model will use two chips, the second generation one will use one and once they figure out how to print transistors on paper, the next generation device will have no electronic parts at all. The trick is that it's a long piece of paper folded over and over itself, something you can't do with hard components. "The result is startlingly functional and very probably will spell the death of pay phones." This reminds me of an article I posted to this newsgroup a few weeks ago about that very subject in the Washington Post. The possibilities include electronic monitoring without having devices with wires hooked up to you, vis-a-vis the medical tricorder from the Star Trek science fiction shows. Or computers made out of paper. One man who saw one of the demonstration models wanted to buy one on the spot, and was disappointed that it will be several months before they are available. He would have kept it in his wallet. And the article writer says, "I'm guessing there's hundreds of millions of other people who feel the same way." The article says the inventor claims to have "more than 100 million orders" she can fill as soon as she gets FCC approval for the devices. Apparently she got the idea when finishing a phone call while driving in which she was so mad she wanted to throw the phone out the window (as was done in the movie Primary Colors) but it was too expensive to do that. Then she wondered why it wasn't possible to make phones so cheap people could afford to do exactly that so she got some people together to develop it for her. Examples of ways that inexpensive wireless phones could be used: Leave one in a glovebox. Give one to a child who is not very responsible. The article notes the idea that they would be really, really cheap: you could buy one for $10 with 60 minutes of air time, then when you used up the time either press a button to buy more or throw the phone away. "In essence it's a credit card with a phone attached." - -- Paul Robinson Formerly , among others. * Note that the LA Times article reference is only good at no charge for two weeks. Retrieving any story from the LA Times online web site which is over two weeks old requires payment. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 19:48:56 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Privacy Manager Just had Pacific Bell put it in today, it replaced my call rejection, which worked fine, but with the recording so bad at times it confused a few people, plus it did not get rid of all the junk calls I have been getting the last few weeks and my Radio Shack unit was getting full, plus the phone still rang. It works just fine, I already had one call come through it and I could not believe it, the person was a telemarketer from the local newspaper that I subscribe to and had just won a Small Claims lawsuit not 2 weeks ago. The gull of those people. Called the a manager at the paper and asked if they wanted me to sue them again, or just send me the money. Their lawyer will be calling me back. It still has made the phone only ring 75% less then it did yesterday. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 20:25:03 -0500 From: Dan Star Subject: 90# and Hijacked LD Is it true that dialing the 90# key sequence while talking to another party gives that party control of your phone line? If so, wht would there be such a security hole? Dan > >If the crooks didn't know about it before they will now.......... > > > >PLEASE PASS ON TO EVERYONE YOU KNOW > > > > "I received a telephone call last evening from an > >individual identifying > > himself as an AT&T Service technician who was conducting a > >test on > > telephone lines.* He stated that to complete the test I > >should touch nine > > (9),zero(0), the pound sign (#), and then hang up.* > >Luckily, I was > > suspicious and refused. > > > > Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that > >by pushing 90#, > > you give the requesting individual full access to your > >telephone line, > > which enables them to place long distance calls billed to > >your home phone > > number. > > > > I was further informed that this scam has been originating > >from many local > > jails/prisons. > > > > I have also verified this information with UCB Telecom, > >Pacific Bell, MCI, > > Bell Atlantic and GTE.* Please beware.* DO NOT press 90# > >for ANYONE.* The > > GTE Security Department requested that I share this > >information with > > EVERYONE I KNOW. > > > > PLEASE pass this on! ! to everyone YOU know.* If you have > >mailing lists and/or > > newsletters from organizations you are connected with, I > >encourage you to > > pass on this information to them, too.* After checking with > >Verizon they > > said it was true so do not dial (9),zero(0), the pound sign > ># and hang up > > for anyone." - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 20:57:37 -0500 From: Dan Lanciani Subject: Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone postmaster@paul.washington.dc.us (Paul Robinson) wrote: [...] |Examples of ways that inexpensive wireless phones could be used: Leave |one in a glovebox. Give one to a child who is not very responsible. |The article notes the idea that they would be really, really cheap: you |could buy one for $10 with 60 minutes of air time, then when you used up |the time either press a button to buy more or throw the phone away. "In |essence it's a credit card with a phone attached." But I can already get cell phones really, really cheap. In fact, I have a box of them. The obstacle to applications like leaving one in the glovebox is the cost of service, not the cost of the phone. Either the monthly fee is high or the pre-paid minutes expire too quickly. I would love to be able to buy 60 minutes of non-expiring air time for $10 with no phone included at all. Alternately, I'd love to be able to buy a monthly service that is not artificially tied to a particular phone by ESN or similar (in)security gimmick. Just let me enter my PIN or authentication key on any phone with any ESN, just as I can use my land-line calling card at any payphone. The problem is that the service providers make their money on the service you pay for and do not use, so they are unwilling to let this happen. If the inventor of this cheap cell phone has not solved the business/service model problem then I don't see what she has accomplished. On the other hand, if she has solved that problem then she should be able to make a lot of money even without the cheap phone... Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 20:59:55 -0500 From: Dave Garland Subject: Re: cords and connectors query It was a dark and stormy night when Joseph Singer wrote: >are there similar crimpers for connecting the RJ45 type connectors that one >would use with an ethernet port to connect to Cat-5 wire? If so where can >one get such a connector? (Graybar?) Crimpers and connectors should be available from any vendor selling networking equipment and supplies. Mail order/web sources include warehouse.com, mcmelectronics.com, globalcomputer.com, sandman.com; local sources include chains like CompUSA and Graybar and local industrial electronics dealers. > Also, is there any "trick" to >attaching these connectors i.e. if you have one combination of colors at >one end do you do the same at the other end or do you reverse it? Usually the ends are the same (straight-through). You can find color codes and pinouts at http://www.hardwarebook.net. It does matter which color goes where. If you're networking 2 devices together without a hub you use a crossover cable, which is wired different on the two ends. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 21:29:45 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone Paul Robinson writes: >From: Paul Robinson >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone >Date: 9 Mar 2001 18:49:22 -0500 >Organization: I.E.C.C. >Lines: 60 > >In an article* Href="http://www.latimes.com/business/cutting/ttimes/20010308/t000020343.html"> >"New Origami Trick: Turn Paper into a Functional Phone" by Dave >Wilson in the Los Angeles Times, it is reported that there has been a >new development in cell phones. Ones you can even throw away. Because >they're made out of paper. Technology Review, MIT's magazine of innovation, carried a story about this printable technology in its November-December 2000 issue: Print Your Next PC By Stephen Mihm Turning out cheap electronic circuitry on a desktop printer could let you custom-design your next computer. "Open-source hardware," anyone? http://www.technologyreview.com/magazine/nov00/mihm.asp Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 22:07:03 -0500 From: Jeff Groves Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 9 Mar 2001, Dave Garland wrote: > It was a dark and stormy night when Joseph Singer wrote: > > >are there similar crimpers for connecting the RJ45 type connectors that one > >would use with an ethernet port to connect to Cat-5 wire? If so where can > >one get such a connector? (Graybar?) > > Crimpers and connectors should be available from any vendor selling > networking equipment and supplies. Mail order/web sources include > warehouse.com, mcmelectronics.com, globalcomputer.com, sandman.com; > local sources include chains like CompUSA and Graybar and local > industrial electronics dealers. > Heck, they're even selling RJ-45 crimpers at The Home Depot in the US now! Jeff G. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 22:15:49 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query Joseph Singer writes: >From: Joseph Singer >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: cords and connectors query >Date: 9 Mar 2001 18:23:29 -0500 >Lines: 12 > >OK, here's my question: I know that for telephone cables for set wiring >with the standard "pinch" plugs commonly known as "RJ" connectors it's a >simple thing to get a crimping tool from any variety of places and connect >a plug on the flat cord and make any length cord you wish. My question is >are there similar crimpers for connecting the RJ45 type connectors that one >would use with an ethernet port to connect to Cat-5 wire? If so where can >one get such a connector? (Graybar?) Also, is there any "trick" to >attaching these connectors i.e. if you have one combination of colors at >one end do you do the same at the other end or do you reverse it? You can get the crimping tool at most electronic supply houses and at the some computer stores like Microcenter or CompUSA. Plan to spend about $20 to $30 on a good quality tool. You probably won't find a flimsy plastic version like those sold to consumers who want to make up RJ-11 telephone cords. And, if you should find such a cheap version, avoid it. Cables are wired straight through. Cross-over wiring is used if you want to link two NIC cards without a hub in between or if you want to cascade hubs where one of the hubs does not have an "uplink" port. For details of the color codes and how to assemble the RJ-45 connectors, see the fine web page at: http://www.startech.com/structuredwiring/patchcable.htm I wish you well. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 22:32:43 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query In article , Dave Garland wrote: >Usually the ends are the same (straight-through). You can find color >codes and pinouts at http://www.hardwarebook.net. It does matter >which color goes where. Yes and no. The colors don't matter, but the assignment of pairs to pins does matter. Telecom wiring of an eight-position jack might form pairs in one of two obvious ways: 12/34/56/78 or 45/36/27/18. (The latter is most common as I recall, as it puts the first pair in the center two positions of the connector.) For data networking, the pairing is always 12/36/45/78. Thus, the second pair is split across the connector -- but not too split or else the cable will not have the correct electrical properties. (Most telecom uses are not sensitive to short runs of split pairs, which is why it is possible to use Cat-5 data patch cords as station cables in a pinch.) 10-Mbit/s and 100-Mbit/s Ethernet use only the 12 and 36 pairs; those are the pairs which are swapped in a crossover cable. In some specialized applications, power for the end device is applied on the 78 pair; in other applications that pair is shorted, so it's important not to accidentally connect one to the other. (I know from personal experience.) 1-Gbit/s Ethernet uses all four pairs bidirectionally. There is no such thing as a crossover for Gigabit Ethernet. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 9 Mar 2001 22:50:32 -0500 From: ebohlman@omsdev.com (Eric Bohlman) Subject: Re: 90# and Hijacked LD In comp.dcom.telecom Dan Star wrote: > Is it true that dialing the 90# key sequence while talking to another > party gives that party control of your phone line? If so, wht would > there be such a security hole? This has been discussed here several times before. The answer is that it will have no effect on an ordinary residential or business telephone line. It would only "work" if you were on a PBX or Centrex system that was configured to allow you to transfer calls by flashing the hookswitch (a detail that gets omitted from a lot of the rumor posts), dialing another extension and then hanging up, that used "9" as the code for an outside line, and that was so poorly administered that stations were allowed to transfer calls to outside lines. Under those very limited circumstances, that sequence would amount to "dial the phone company's operator on an outside line and then transfer an incoming call to it." Again, ordinary residence or business lines don't have a call-transfer feature and systems that do provide such a feature generally don't allow transfers to outside lines (which would be subject to more mundane forms of abuse like employees taking calls from their friends and extending LD dialtone to them). - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 00:10:49 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Privacy Manager >From 'Steven Lichter': >Just had Pacific Bell put it in today, [snarf] >It still has made the phone only ring 75% less then it did yesterday. It won't nail all calls. If it is the same as Ameritech's Privacy Manager, which I assume it is, it'll only block calls with no caller ID. It's still a great service. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #29 ******************************* Date: 11 Mar 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #30 Telecom Digest Sunday, March 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 030 In this issue: Re: Privacy Manager Re: cords and connectors query Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone Re: cords and connectors query Handheld Wire Label Printers ATT Wireless, Dobson Cellular, and Poughkeepsie NY CDPD Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Re: 90# and Hijacked LD Re: cords and connectors query A Faster Way to Call 911 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 10 Mar 2001 07:14:59 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: Privacy Manager << Steve Sobol It won't nail all calls. If it is the same as Ameritech's Privacy Manager, which I assume it is, it'll only block calls with no caller ID. It's still a great service. >> Right, it does not, I still have Call Screening and the Radio Shack CID Box, so that should take care about 99% of the calls. My old modem line gets a few, but my BBS is on there and the modem picks it up on the first ring and besides them ringer is off so I never know anything on that line, if they want to talk to the modem it will listen for about 30 seconds then hang up. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:14:32 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 9 Mar 2001 18:23:29 -0500, Joseph Singer wrote: > OK, here's my question: I know that for telephone cables for set wiring > with the standard "pinch" plugs commonly known as "RJ" connectors it's a > simple thing to get a crimping tool from any variety of places and connect > a plug on the flat cord and make any length cord you wish. My question is > are there similar crimpers for connecting the RJ45 type connectors that one > would use with an ethernet port to connect to Cat-5 wire? Since everyone else was helpful, I'll feel free to be *merely* pedantic. :-) The connectors are called "{4-position,6-position,8-position} modular {plugs,jacks}". The RJ designations stand for "Registered Jack", and are described in FCC Part 68... and obviously, they only refer to the *jack*, but even then, only when it's wired a certain way. Plugs cannot be correctly referred to as "RJ-" anything. Not that this will stop people. :-) The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 12:50:43 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: LA Times article discusses a new type of really cheap cell phone On 9 Mar 2001 20:57:37 -0500, Dan Lanciani wrote: > But I can already get cell phones really, really cheap. In fact, I have > a box of them. The obstacle to applications like leaving one in the > glovebox is the cost of service, not the cost of the phone. Either the > monthly fee is high or the pre-paid minutes expire too quickly. I would > love to be able to buy 60 minutes of non-expiring air time for $10 with no > phone included at all. Indeed. But it's even worse than that... I'm a PrimeCo "Charter Subscriber", for whatever that's worth... I've got their *original* prepay service, which was just the normal service at the normal rates... but I can't change my service to include more airtime anymore, because each DigitalChoice Prepay service with differing amounts ot airtime was a *different* service... and they're not offering it anymore. I can now get prepay service with minutes that cost *5* times as much as I'm paying. Since they engender no risk -- since the time is *prepaid* -- aren't they violating some federal rule by charging more to people without credit (which is what *most* of that market is) without actually assuming any extra risk? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: cords and connectors query In , jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: }The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still }occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. Then what does RJ-11 refer to? /JBL (though I suppose I could go find a copy of part 68 . . .) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 17:26:32 -0500 From: Todd McLaughlin Subject: Handheld Wire Label Printers I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. Thanks! Todd - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 10 Mar 2001 19:09:37 -0500 From: "Doug" Subject: ATT Wireless, Dobson Cellular, and Poughkeepsie NY CDPD A few months ago, I posted about new CDPD service in the ex-American Cellular Poughkeepsie/A (00503) and Kingston (01515) markets. These markets cover an area in the Mid-Hudson Valley in NY from the northern border of the ATTWS NYC (00025) market to the Albany/A (00063) market. Recent developments, or lack thereof, in these two markets continue to indicate that even the larger carriers are still struggling with wireless data and not handling wireless data issues in a competent manner. They also offer yet another means whereby AT&T Wireless customers can get out of their annual or other contracts (assuming they have/use data service) as AT&T advertises service in these markets when it is or should be well aware that no AT&TWS customer can utilize their CDPD/data service there at all (see below). CDPD "Service" commenced in this area around September, 2000, but AT&T Wireless IP/wireless data customers as well as with other wireless IP customers from other carriers have never been able to roam in these two markets although they can readily register there. The Poughkeepsie and Kingston markets, although branded as AT&T to AT&T customers and some roamers, are in actuality not fully owned by AT&T, but have shared ownership between AT&T and a rural cellular operator called Dobson Cellular. Apparently, AT&T teamed up with Dobson two years ago to obtain the markets from American Cellular and AT&T had Dobson run their day to day operations. Although local customers in Poughkeepsie and Kingston generally buy phones in boxes labeled AT&T and see coverage maps for region-wide and nationwide coverage with the AT&T logo, they are not "true" AT&T WS customers and must deal with the relatively hick Dobson Cell which has limited customer service and silly policies (like a "Fraud Protection Fee" of $1 per month which they don't tell you about until right when you are ready to sign the annual service contract). After speaking at length with techs at AT&T WS in Washington state and elsewhere, we determined that the problem was "not AT&T's", but Dobson's - -- apparently, although Dobson set up this extensive CDPD network in relatively rural counties, they never set things up properly with "their ISP" (AT&T's words) , and essentially have a CDPD network with no interconnection or "feed" to the Internet! Thus, you may register on the Poughkeepsie/Kingston network (I am told this is accomplished on dedicated links and does not use IP; I'm not sure how true this is but it makes sense based on the results we are seeing), but we can not pass any data through since the network there has had no internet connection since September and AFTER 7 MONTHS still does not! At any rate, this is what AT&TWS *says*...It may be true, but I have no way of knowing, since calls do Dobson Cellular (assuming they are not too busy tending to their stills and avoiding government liquor agents :) ) are met with a heavily southern accented "Cee Dee WHUT??" when I ask to speak with someone who can help out with CDPD wireless data issues. (And this is to their *Corporate* number, (800) 522-9404!) So Dobson is utterly clueless, and after a month and a half of calls to them I've gotten nowhere. I also find it extremely hard to believe that Dobson, which operates these two relatively small markets in terms of POPS and overall population, went out and on it's own decided to build a CDPD network and did it in such an incompetent way (according to AT&T's story) that the only reason we can't use it after 7 months is that "they haven't gotten their ISP connection set up yet". Although I can't say that the BAMS/Verizon market models are the same, if BAMS has decided not to CDPD-ize their Hudson Valley markets (and they own everything -- even the Catskill 01516 system now, it seems) up to Albany and beyond, ie, a much larger market area which could benefit from CDPD coverage, one would think that the economics of doing so are not so great that a hick RSA outfit like Dobson which has to sneakily charge "Fraud protection" fees isn't and can't afford to just go out and speculatively set up a CDPD network on it's own. It seems clear that the move to set up a CDPD network was promulgated by the AT&T involvement in these markets (if not outright ordered), and since the markets are jointly owned by AT&T and Dobson, it stands to reason that AT&T paid at least a portion of the bill to CDPD-ize these markets. Yet as it stands now, no one can use it, and AT&T and/or Dobson dumped a good deal of money into a network which is completely unusable and not generating a single penny of additional revenue nor enhancing the coverage area of current AT&TWS CDPD/Pocketnet/AT&T Wireless Data customers. And even assuming these services are "secretly" only being offered to customers with "Dobson IPs" (ie, Dobson may have some wireless data office which assigns IPs on its network and is currently not honoring roamers; this goes against everything which AT&TWS told me), there is no one there to talk to who has any idea what CDPD is, and thus it is doubtful that Dobson is selling the service locally. Yet AT&T proudly displays this geographically large area on it's CDPD coverage maps (with a disclaimer that it can't be responsible for coverage outside of it's markets), although it knows (or should know) that there is no way any AT&T Wireless customer could get data services in these markets -- the phone will register but no data at all will be passed out to and from the Internet. Regardless of AT&T's disclaimer, if it knows (and they have been made aware of this issue by our many, many calls to them and trouble tickets they have opened as a result of said calls) that their customers can not actually pass any data in these markets, and the reason behind indicating coverage in these areas is not as an intellectual exercise to simply indicate where a CDPD network exists but to entice customers to utilize it's CDPD product (as a standalone service or in combination with it's voice product), then effectively what AT&T is doing is misleading customers into obtaining service with an expectation that they will be able to use data services in these area when in fact there is currently no way for them to do so. As a result, more than a good argument could be made that if you are an AT&T customer who signed up for standalone (wireless IP), Pocketnet, or voice service (such as one of their regional/nationwide bucket plans which offer data services), and who needs to cancel service, that you could cancel your service with no penalty since you could claim that AT&T deceived you into obtaining service due to its depiction on its coverage maps of wireless data service in these markets, when in fact they knew that there was no way that you could use these services there, and thus entered into a contract with you which they knew they could (at least currently and when you entered into the contract with them) not honor. Perhaps if enough people call them on this and they loose enough of their Digital One Rate annual customers they may decide to give those hicks at Dobson a call and get their Internet networking issues resolved. (Additionally, AT&T claims there are no roaming charges in AT&T owned markets, yet its coverage maps indicate Poughkeepsie/Kingston as a roaming market. Now some AT&T wireless data plans do not have roaming charges at all, so this (currently) isn't too significant, but for customers who do have to pay outside of AT&T markets, if and when they do get service running there, will roaming be charged even though these are, to a great extent, owned by AT&T? No one seems to know, and worse, they have no interest or idea of how to find out...One would hope that AT&T had the presence of mind when they took over these systems in conjunction with Dobson to ensure that their roamers would be able to use the service at no per-kilobyte fee...although with the obviously incompetent manner in which this whole thing is being handled, who knows... :( ) I'll post more if there is any 'progress'..., - -Doug - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:37:23 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers On 10 Mar 2001 17:26:32 -0500, Todd McLaughlin wrote: > I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and > wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when > you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or > bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? > I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. Only: make sure that they labels really *are* self laminating. The Brother's are, the Canon's are *not*; I forget about the Kroy. The adhesive is not really strong enough for long term stickage on inside wiring, if that's what you were planning on. Spend the extra cash on the Brady (I've seen them in pawnshops for *much* less than list), or heatshrink around the label... which looks prettier anyway. Sticking on plates and such is another matter; they're find for that. I labeled a TV studio with one back in '93, and all but 2 of those labels are *still* in place, no turnups or anything. Brother. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:38:37 -0500 From: Terry Kennedy Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Todd McLaughlin writes: > I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and > wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when > you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or > bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? > I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. I use a Brady TLS2200, but if you're looking at the Kroy at $299 list, the Brady is probably out of your price range at $795 list. Terry Kennedy http://www.tmk.com terry@tmk.com Jersey City, NJ USA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 01:58:58 -0500 From: "Michael A. Desmon" Subject: Re: 90# and Hijacked LD > Is it true that dialing the 90# key sequence while talking to another > party gives that party control of your phone line? If so, wht would > there be such a security hole? > > Dan > Not this one again.... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 02:16:01 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500, Joel B Levin wrote: > In , > jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: > }The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still > }occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. > > Then what does RJ-11 refer to? An RJ-11 is a 6-position modular jack with the center pair of pins wired to (I think it's this specific) a single-party, loop start, bridged ringing station circuit. Did you follow that? ;-) An RJ-14 has two such circuits, an RJ-12, three. *All* are customarily wired on a 6-contact jack, although you will find 1, 2, and 3-pair silver satin cables to plug into them, each of which can cause certain types of problems in certain circumstances. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 02:29:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Faster Way to Call 911 A Faster Way to Call 911 When a scary situation turns really nasty, the victim doesn't always have the time to search for a cell phone, punch in 911, wait for a response and relay the details of the situation to a dispatcher. The need for a faster, easier solution to this problem struck Leandra Vicci, director of the microelectronics system laboratory at the University of North Carolina. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42114,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #30 ******************************* Date: 12 Mar 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #31 Telecom Digest Monday, March 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 031 In this issue: Re: ATT Wireless, Dobson Cellular, and Poughkeepsie NY CDPD They'll know where you are Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Re: 90# and Hijacked LD Re: cords and connectors query Re: cords and connectors query Re: cords and connectors query Calif. Appeals Court Rejects Library Internet-Filtering Case `Down,' a Word You Can't Say on an Airline Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 11 Mar 2001 09:49:46 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: ATT Wireless, Dobson Cellular, and Poughkeepsie NY CDPD Reports have been circulating for several weeks that AT&T is in negotiations to buy Dobson outright. Of particular interest in Oklahoma City, where I live, because Dobson has headquarters here. I know nothing about their customer service or what level of service they provide (they cover a lot of interstate highways), but if their C.S. representatives are in Oklahoma City they are unlikely to have a "southern" accent and probably don't have nearly as funny an accent as New Yorkers do. Incidentally, I have observed an awful lot of "hicks" and hick companies (telecom and otherwise) in the East. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com On 10 Mar 2001 19:09:37 -0500 Doug wrote: > A few months ago, I posted about new CDPD service in the ex-American > Cellular Poughkeepsie/A (00503) and Kingston (01515) markets. These > markets cover an area in the Mid-Hudson Valley in NY from the northern > border of the ATTWS NYC (00025) market to the Albany/A (00063) market. > > Recent developments, or lack thereof, in these two markets continue to > indicate that even the larger carriers are still struggling with > wireless data and not handling wireless data issues in a competent > manner. They also offer yet another means whereby AT&T Wireless customers > can get out of their annual or other contracts (assuming they have/use > data service) as AT&T advertises service in these markets when it is or > should be well aware that no AT&TWS customer can utilize their CDPD/data > service there at all (see below). > > CDPD "Service" commenced in this area around September, 2000, but AT&T > Wireless IP/wireless data customers as well as with other wireless IP > customers from other carriers have never been able to roam in these two > markets although they can readily register there. > > The Poughkeepsie and Kingston markets, although branded as AT&T to AT&T > customers and some roamers, are in actuality not fully owned by AT&T, but > have shared ownership between AT&T and a rural cellular operator called > Dobson Cellular. Apparently, AT&T teamed up with Dobson two years ago to > obtain the markets from American Cellular and AT&T had Dobson run their > day to day operations. > > Although local customers in Poughkeepsie and Kingston generally buy > phones in boxes labeled AT&T and see coverage maps for region-wide and > nationwide coverage with the AT&T logo, they are not "true" AT&T WS > customers and must deal with the relatively hick Dobson Cell which has > limited customer service and silly policies (like a "Fraud Protection > Fee" of $1 per month which they don't tell you about until right when you > are ready to sign the annual service contract). > > After speaking at length with techs at AT&T WS in Washington state and > elsewhere, we determined that the problem was "not AT&T's", but Dobson's > -- apparently, although Dobson set up this extensive CDPD network in > relatively rural counties, they never set things up properly with "their > ISP" (AT&T's words) , and essentially have a CDPD network with no > interconnection or "feed" to the Internet! Thus, you may register on the > Poughkeepsie/Kingston network (I am told this is accomplished on dedicated > links and does not use IP; I'm not sure how true this is but it makes > sense based on the results we are seeing), but we can not pass any data > through since the network there has had no internet connection since > September and AFTER 7 MONTHS still does not! > > At any rate, this is what AT&TWS *says*...It may be true, but I have no > way of knowing, since calls do Dobson Cellular (assuming they are not > too busy tending to their stills and avoiding government liquor agents :) > ) are met with a heavily southern accented "Cee Dee WHUT??" when I ask to > speak with someone who can help out with CDPD wireless data issues. (And > this is to their *Corporate* number, (800) 522-9404!) So Dobson is > utterly clueless, and after a month and a half of calls to them I've > gotten nowhere. > > I also find it extremely hard to believe that Dobson, which operates > these two relatively small markets in terms of POPS and overall > population, went out and on it's own decided to build a CDPD network and > did it in such an incompetent way (according to AT&T's story) that the > only reason we can't use it after 7 months is that "they haven't gotten > their ISP connection set up yet". Although I can't say that the BAMS/Verizon > market models are the same, if BAMS has decided not to CDPD-ize their > Hudson Valley markets (and they own everything -- even the Catskill 01516 > system now, it seems) up to Albany and beyond, ie, a much larger market > area which could benefit from CDPD coverage, one would think that the > economics of doing so are not so great that a hick RSA outfit like Dobson > which has to sneakily charge "Fraud protection" fees isn't and can't > afford to just go out and speculatively set up a CDPD network on it's > own. > > It seems clear that the move to set up a CDPD network was promulgated by > the AT&T involvement in these markets (if not outright ordered), and > since the markets are jointly owned by AT&T and Dobson, it stands to > reason that AT&T paid at least a portion of the bill to CDPD-ize these > markets. > > Yet as it stands now, no one can use it, and AT&T and/or Dobson dumped a > good deal of money into a network which is completely unusable and not > generating a single penny of additional revenue nor enhancing the > coverage area of current AT&TWS CDPD/Pocketnet/AT&T Wireless Data > customers. > > And even assuming these services are "secretly" only being offered to > customers with "Dobson IPs" (ie, Dobson may have some wireless data office > which assigns IPs on its network and is currently not honoring roamers; > this goes against everything which AT&TWS told me), there is no one there > to talk to who has any idea what CDPD is, and thus it is doubtful that > Dobson is selling the service locally. > > Yet AT&T proudly displays this geographically large area on it's CDPD > coverage maps (with a disclaimer that it can't be responsible for > coverage outside of it's markets), although it knows (or should know) > that there is no way any AT&T Wireless customer could get data services > in these markets -- the phone will register but no data at all will be > passed out to and from the Internet. > > Regardless of AT&T's disclaimer, if it knows (and they have been made > aware of this issue by our many, many calls to them and trouble tickets > they have opened as a result of said calls) that their customers can not > actually pass any data in these markets, and the reason behind indicating > coverage in these areas is not as an intellectual exercise to simply > indicate where a CDPD network exists but to entice customers to utilize > it's CDPD product (as a standalone service or in combination with it's > voice product), then effectively what AT&T is doing is misleading > customers into obtaining service with an expectation that they will be > able to use data services in these area when in fact there is currently > no way for them to do so. > > As a result, more than a good argument could be made that if you are an > AT&T customer who signed up for standalone (wireless IP), Pocketnet, or > voice service (such as one of their regional/nationwide bucket plans > which offer data services), and who needs to cancel service, that you > could cancel your service with no penalty since you could claim that AT&T > deceived you into obtaining service due to its depiction on its coverage > maps of wireless data service in these markets, when in fact they knew > that there was no way that you could use these services there, and thus > entered into a contract with you which they knew they could (at least > currently and when you entered into the contract with them) not honor. > > Perhaps if enough people call them on this and they loose enough of their > Digital One Rate annual customers they may decide to give those hicks at > Dobson a call and get their Internet networking issues resolved. > > (Additionally, AT&T claims there are no roaming charges in AT&T owned > markets, yet its coverage maps indicate Poughkeepsie/Kingston as a > roaming market. Now some AT&T wireless data plans do not have roaming > charges at all, so this (currently) isn't too significant, but for > customers who do have to pay outside of AT&T markets, if and when they do > get service running there, will roaming be charged even though these are, > to a great extent, owned by AT&T? No one seems to know, and worse, they > have no interest or idea of how to find out...One would hope that AT&T > had the presence of mind when they took over these systems in conjunction > with Dobson to ensure that their roamers would be able to use the service > at no per-kilobyte fee...although with the obviously incompetent manner > in which this whole thing is being handled, who knows... :( ) > > I'll post more if there is any 'progress'..., > > -Doug - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:30:33 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: They'll know where you are They'll know where you are Cell phone tracking technology raises privacy issues By Bob Sullivan MSNBC March 6 - Karla Gutiérrez drowned last month in her car while begging 911 operators for help over her mobile phone. For three terrifying minutes, she tried to explain exactly where her car had slipped off the Florida Turnpike and into a murky canal. Then the line went dead. Technology that would have told rescuers exactly where Gutiérrez was will be in place across the United States starting in October - but controversy surrounding the technology has already arrived. After all, if people like Gutiérrez can be tracked using their cell phones, so can you. http://www.msnbc.com/news/536116.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 11:41:23 -0500 From: "Steve Fleckenstein" Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay The drug dealers made the corner payphone a public nuisance rather than a public service. Greedy COCUTs with deceptive policies didn't help. Scammers looking over your shoulder at airports didn't help the payphone fate. Lack of maintenance, abuse of the physical payphone by the public made many look less appealing to use than a port-a-john. So now we have carry everywhere personal digital cellphones. Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a small crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching for dialtone and finding none ? Technology at it's finest hour. Steve N2UBP - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:46:26 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers On 11 Mar 2001 01:38:37 -0500, Terry Kennedy wrote: > Todd McLaughlin writes: > > I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and > > wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when > > you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or > > bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? > > I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. > > I use a Brady TLS2200, but if you're looking at the Kroy at $299 list, > the Brady is probably out of your price range at $795 list. Well, yeah, but the cheap Brady is in the Datacom Warehouse catalog for around $300, and I've seen that one in pawnshops under a bill; look for one that specializes in tools. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 13:56:38 -0500 From: djb0x77454f6c@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: 90# and Hijacked LD Dan Star wrote: > Is it true that dialing the 90# key sequence while talking to another > party gives that party control of your phone line? If so, wht would > there be such a security hole? The actual scam was spootted by a .mil site with a PBX where you could give a caller an outside line by pressing LINE, 9, 0, #. I'm not sure quite what the LINE button did on that particular PBX. Dialing 9 for an outside line is reasonably common in PBXes; 0 is pretty usually operator, # is usually a "I'm done dialing now" function. Dialing 90# on a *private phone*, or on a PBX phone without hitting LINE first (if the phone even has a LINE button) has right around 0.0000~% chance of doing anything - other than making the caller wonder why you're punching buttons during a call. This is all thoroughly documented all over the web; I just looked it up within the last couple days as part of assembling a LART for forwarding a chain letter hoax. ;) A search for "90#" and "hoax" usually works. It's not *entirely* a hoax, 'cos it's rooted in fact, but for the vast majority of cases, it's a hoax. - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley - Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org/ Peruse my opinions, at http://dbirchall.epinions.com/user-dbirchall Corporate Holidays 2001 - http://208.184.171.20/articles/262573.htm My addresses expire... take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 14:37:26 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: cords and connectors query 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500 Joel B Levin wrote: >In , > jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: >}The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still >}occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. > >Then what does RJ-11 refer to? RJ-11 only refers to *how* a jack is wired. An RJ-11 connected box is basically a box that is connected to only use tip and ring (red/green the internal two tines/contacts) for a standard telephone line. The same jack wired to use four tines/contacts is an RJ-14 connected box which is commonly used for a two line phone. I'm not sure what the RJ specification is for six contact box/plug arrangement is. As another poster noted "RJ" is not the name of the plug, but of the jack configuration hence RJ for Registered Jack. It's just commonly used as the plug name. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 14:39:32 -0500 From: Leonard Erickson Subject: Re: cords and connectors query "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > > The connectors are called "{4-position,6-position,8-position} modular > {plugs,jacks}". The RJ designations stand for "Registered Jack", and > are described in FCC Part 68... and obviously, they only refer to the > *jack*, but even then, only when it's wired a certain way. Plugs > cannot be correctly referred to as "RJ-" anything. Not that this will > stop people. :-) There are also *10* position plugs/jacks. Digiboard uses them for some setups. - -- Leonard Erickson (aka shadow{G}) shadow@krypton.rain.com <--preferred leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com <--last resort - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 15:48:05 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: cords and connectors query [posted and e-mailed to JRA] In , jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: }On 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500, } Joel B Levin wrote: }> In , }> jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: }> }The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still }> }occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. }> }> Then what does RJ-11 refer to? } }An RJ-11 is a 6-position modular jack with the center pair }of pins wired to (I think it's this specific) a single-party, loop }start, bridged ringing station circuit. Yes. }An RJ-14 has two such circuits, an RJ-12, three. *All* are customarily }wired on a 6-contact jack, . . . This was the cause of my confusion. I had, for some reason, thought that RJ11 had a four contact jack and that the others used a physically larger connector. A look at my consumer phone equipment cables quickly showed me the errors of my ways. Thanks also to John L. and Bob V. who answered, and BTW I also did the research and found a copy of Part 68 on the FCC web site and the descriptions and wiring diagrams for the RJ-type connectors. Most interesting and informative. /JBL - -- Nets: levin at bbn.com | /"\ or jbl at levin.mv.com | \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN pots: (617)873-3463 | X AGAINST HTML MAIL ARS: KD1ON | / \ AND POSTINGS - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 18:42:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Calif. Appeals Court Rejects Library Internet-Filtering Case Calif. Appeals Court Rejects Library Internet-Filtering Case An appeals court in San Francisco has thrown out a lawsuit brought by a woman who claimed that a local library was liable for not installing content filters that would have prevented her 12-year-old son from downloading pornography. The lawsuit, filed by a Northern California woman identified only as "Kathleen R.," accused the City of Livermore public libraries of negligence, nuisance, premises liability and waste of public funds, after she discovered her son had on 10 occasions downloaded smut from library computers and so that he could print them out at a friend's house. The same case had been dismissed in 1999 by an Alameda County superior court judge. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/162856.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 11 Mar 2001 21:09:13 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: `Down,' a Word You Can't Say on an Airline Marshall Wilson, San Francisco Chronicle Staff Writer Thursday, March 8, 2001 He put his cell phone away. She kept talking on hers. He suggested she turn it off or risk bringing the plane down. She misunderstood, apparently, and told a flight attendant that a nearby passenger was threatening to bring the plane down. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/08 /MNW19540.DTL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 00:07:20 -0500 From: "Sam Elbe" Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers I have been in the telephone business for 40 years and have never found the justification for a cable labeler. A fine point Shrarpie works just fine for 2 bucks. Old Phone Dude "Todd McLaughlin" wrote in message news:98e9mc$7d2$1@samba.rahul.net... > I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and > wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when > you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or > bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? > I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. > > Thanks! > Todd > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #31 ******************************* Date: 13 Mar 2001 00:15:57 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #32 Telecom Digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 032 In this issue: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Negotiating the maze of wireless phone plans Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: cords and connectors query Telecom Update (Canada) #274, March 12, 2001 Canadian prison call centre Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Re: Area code database lookup/validator? Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Area code database lookup/validator? Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Prisoner call centers (was: Canadian prison call centre) Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers 3/12/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 12 Mar 2001 07:52:37 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? In article , Jay R. Ashworth wrote: > On 7 Mar 2001 10:13:33 -0500, > Mark C. Petersen wrote: > > Well, overlays complicate the issue, I suppose. I just want to > > know, as one example, if Florence Alabama, which I have an entry > > for as (205), should now be (256). (205) might still be valid in > > an overlay situation, of course, but if it were a geographical > > split, I'd want to be flagged and be that much ahead of the game. > > Oh. You need to know about prefix moves in area code splits. > > Go poke around lincmad.com, he might have something you can use. Thanks for the plug :-) but actually for that sort of prefix list, the best site is AreaCode-Info.com. I do have a listing at that can help, but it's not exhaustive and it doesn't go to the prefix level. Be careful, though, about timelines. There are a few cases where an area code is split, goes through permissive dialing and enters mandatory dialing, and then has prefixes reassigned, all within a year. It usually won't be quite that quick, but it could happen, especially if you had a situation where the area code was marked as valid last year because it was still in permissive (or just about to start permissive). That and the recent splits in Minnesota and New York that follow political boundaries rather than rate centers are the biggest complications in such an undertaking. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 08:56:37 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers On 12 Mar 2001 00:07:20 -0500, "Sam Elbe" wrote: >I have been in the telephone business for 40 years and have never found the >justification for a cable labeler. A fine point Shrarpie works just fine >for 2 bucks. >Old Phone Dude Clearly you haven't worked in new construction. When the architect specifies cable and conduit tags, you give them cable and conduit tags. Carl Navarro (but don't look under the tag for the Sharpie numbers :-) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 10:11:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Negotiating the maze of wireless phone plans Busy Signals Negotiating the maze of wireless phone plans has become a feat fit for Magellan Plan A includes caller ID, call waiting, call forwarding, and a wide choice of phones, but voice mail costs extra. Plan B, from another company, has all of Plan A's features, plus you get rudimentary Internet access. Under Plan C, from a third company, you get half the number of minutes offered by Plan A, but there's no extra charge for voice mail. All three plans cost $19.99 a month. http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/071/business/Busy_Signals+.shtml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 10:22:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers (IDG) -- The Canadian government will kick off a 90-day public comment period this Saturday on whether to license technology aimed at preventing the inappropriate use of cell phones in places such as restaurants, theaters and concert halls. http://www.cnn.com/2001/TECH/ptech/03/08/cell.jamming.idg/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 10:38:23 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >A Faster Way to Call 911 >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42114,00.html I don't understand something in this article. It says that a number of states have laws against 911 calls from automated devices, because the dispatcher can't talk to the caller to determine the nature of the emergency in order to know who to send (fire fighters, paramedics, or police). But I'd heard that 911 dispatchers were specifically trained to deal with situations like this. Sometimes people call 911 in circumstances where they can't speak -- they're choking, they pass out after placing the call, there's an assailant and they don't want to alert him, etc. How is this 911 pendant any different from those? - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 10:45:33 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay 11 Mar 2001 11:41:23 -0500 "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: >Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a small >crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching for dialtone >and finding none ? > >Technology at it's finest hour. Neither the landlines or mobiles would normally count on traffic 300% more than average. No network would ever be built to handle once-in-a-while traffic if the network had any hope of making a profit. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joseph Singer Seattle, WA USA [ICQ pgr] +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail]+1 206 493 0706 [FAX] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 10:46:25 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 11 Mar 2001 14:39:32 -0500, Leonard Erickson wrote: > "Jay R. Ashworth" wrote: > > The connectors are called "{4-position,6-position,8-position} modular > > {plugs,jacks}". The RJ designations stand for "Registered Jack", and > > are described in FCC Part 68... and obviously, they only refer to the > > *jack*, but even then, only when it's wired a certain way. Plugs > > cannot be correctly referred to as "RJ-" anything. Not that this will > > stop people. :-) > > There are also *10* position plugs/jacks. Digiboard uses them for some > setups. Yes, but they're non-standard, very pricey, and unnecessary. Cheers, - -- jr 'ALTPIN' a - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:06:23 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #274, March 12, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 274: March 12, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Cisco to Cut Staff up to 17% ** Mitel Networks to Increase R&D ** Nortel Blasts Class-Action Suits ** Fido Drops LD Rates ** Ottawa Seeks Comment on Cellphone Silencers ** CRTC Extends Telemarketing Rules ** Vancouver Free-Calling Area to Expand? ** Cable Cut Downs Rogers@Home ** CRTC Okays Broadening of Bell 900, 976 Services ** Iridium Announces More Distributors ** CIRA to Elect Board ** Sedona Lays Off One-Third of Staff ** Revenue Down 50% at CrossKeys ** 360, JDS Lower Forecasts Again ** TIW Reports More Subscribers, Higher Loss ** Broadband Access Companies Unite ** Poirier Retiring From CWTA ** Dybenko Joins Syndesis ** Last Chance for Free Telecom Reports ============================================================ CISCO TO CUT STAFF UP TO 17%: Cisco Systems says that in response to the slowdown in capital spending, it will cut 3,000-5,000 of its 44,000 full-time jobs and most of its 5,000 temporary positions by May. MITEL NETWORKS TO INCREASE R&D: CEO Terry Matthews says Mitel Networks will increase R&D investment to $90 million this year from $50 million, adding 300-350 research staff by year- end. (See Telecom Update #271) NORTEL BLASTS CLASS-ACTION SUITS: In full-page newspaper advertisements published March 9, Nortel Networks says it will defend itself vigorously against class-action lawsuits resulting from its February 15 revised sales and profit forecasts, and says allegations in these lawsuits are "without merit." (See Telecom Update #271, 272) ** Gartner Dataquest says Nortel led the world's telecom equipment makers with 2000 sales of US$29.8 billion. However, if Lucent sales are combined with those of its spinoff, Avaya, it still came first with US$32.3 billion in sales. FIDO DROPS LD RATES: Microcell Solutions has reduced Canada- U.S. long distance rates for its Fido and wireline LD subscribers, previously 15-20 cents, to a flat rate of 10 cents/minute. U.S. roaming is now US$.20/minute. OTTAWA SEEKS COMMENT ON CELLPHONE SILENCERS: Industry Canada is inviting public advice on whether it should consider license applications for devices that block ringing or operation of cellphones and pagers, and if so, what conditions should apply. Comments must be submitted by July 12. http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/SSG/sf05408e.html CRTC EXTENDS TELEMARKETING RULES: In Order 2001-193, the CRTC extends restrictions on telemarketing using automatic dialing and announcing devices (ADADs), live voice, and facsimile, to all wireline, wireless, and resale providers of telecom services and their customers. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-193_e.htm ** The Commission invites comment on how well the current rules are working, and whether further changes are needed (Public Notice 2001-34). To participate, notify the CRTC by March 21. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Notices/2001/PT2001-34.htm VANCOUVER FREE-CALLING AREA TO EXPAND? Telus Communications has asked the CRTC to approve an expansion of the Greater Vancouver free-calling area to include Abbotsford and Mission. Telus proposes to increase local rates to pay for the wider coverage. CABLE CUT DOWNS ROGERS@HOME: Rogers Cable says that a fibre cut on March 8 near St. Catharines caused a 12-hour outage in its high-speed Internet service in Toronto, Ottawa, and southwest Ontario. CRTC OKAYS BROADENING OF BELL 900, 976 SERVICES: In Orders 2001-207 and 2001-208, the CRTC permits callers to a Bell- provided 900 or 976 number to be assigned and pay for a PIN, which they can use to access subsequent services over the phone. ** Commissioner Stuart Langford disagrees with a provision allowing subscribers to 976 service to capture callers' phone numbers. He warns that this may result in harassment of customers who dispute the 976 charges. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-207.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-208_e.htm IRIDIUM ANNOUNCES MORE DISTRIBUTORS: The new owners of the Iridium satellite phone network have signed up 13 distributors, including Infosat, Stratos, and Rent Express in Canada. The service's usage rate is now less than US$1/minute. (See Telecom Update #257) CIRA TO ELECT BOARD: The 75,000 holders of .ca domain names will choose nine of 12 Board members of the Canadian Internet Registration Authority in a vote to be held on the CIRA website June 22-28. CIRA's interim Board will name the other three members. http://www.cira.ca SEDONA LAYS OFF ONE-THIRD OF STAFF: Ottawa-based Sedona Networks laid off 47 of its 150 staff March 8 due to a slump in U.S. orders for its networking products. 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You say yes, picturing the fellow toiling away in a call centre somewhere in Northern Ontario or Atlantic Canada.   Think again.   It could easily be an inmate of the minimum security Pittsburgh Institution outside of Kingston, Ontario, where Correctional Service Canada has opened a call centre of its own. For the rest of the story: http://www.straightgoods.com/Daley/010312.asp - -- forwarded by Nigel Allen ndallen@interlog.com http://www.interlog.com/~ndallen/telecom.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 12:26:10 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In Barry Margolin writes: >In article , >Monty Solomon wrote: >>A Faster Way to Call 911 >>http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42114,00.html >I don't understand something in this article. It says that a number of >states have laws against 911 calls from automated devices, because the >dispatcher can't talk to the caller to determine the nature of the >emergency in order to know who to send (fire fighters, paramedics, or >police). But I'd heard that 911 dispatchers were specifically trained to >deal with situations like this. The problem is that automated calls tend to: a) have a _lot_ more false alarms than human ones and b) have an annoying tendency to come in groups. For example, if there's a thunderstorm, you can easily see a hundred burglar alarms dialing out... tieing up all the "911" trunks and preventing, for want of a better term, "real calls" from getting through. So... what more enlightened communities have done is mandate that these automated calls go to a _separate_ number. That way, it'll leave the (more likely to be real) human/911 callers with free circuits. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 13:31:25 -0500 From: dold@email.rahul.net Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? Linc Madison wrote: : Be careful, though, about timelines. There are a few cases where an : area code is split, goes through permissive dialing and enters : mandatory dialing, and then has prefixes reassigned, all within a year. That's why I suggested the "planning Letters". Our original poster wasn't so concerned about his numbers being good at the time they were keyed in, he was worried about splits occurring out from under him. www.nanpa.com has the planning letters online. - -- - --- Clarence A Dold - dold@email.rahul.net - San Jose & Pope Valley (Napa County) CA. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 14:53:38 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay In article <3.0.5.32.20010312064119.00842220@oz.net>, Joseph Singer wrote: > 11 Mar 2001 "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > > >Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a > >small crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching > >for dialtone and finding none ? > > > >Technology at its finest hour. > > Neither the landlines or mobiles would normally count on traffic 300% > more than average. No network would ever be built to handle > once-in-a-while traffic if the network had any hope of making a > profit. An hour and a half after the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, there was about a two-minute wait for landline dialtone in Berkeley. My flatmate was repeatedly picking up the phone, hearing no dialtone, hanging up, and immediately trying again. I explained to him: * If it can possibly wait, then wait until the lines are less congested. * If it can't wait, stay on the line until you get dialtone. About the worst possible thing you can do to the network in that situation is repeatedly requeue yourself. I wish that the newsies would do a better job of explaining that, instead of just the standard blurb about waiting if it's not an emergency. As to the "no network would ever be built..." carriers certainly have been known to deploy additional resources (banks of temporary pay phones back in the 20th Century; nowadays more likely temporary cells) to address an anticipated localized spike in demand. However, no one is going to build capacity to handle the traffic load right after a moderately major earthquake. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 15:32:56 -0500 From: Dan Lanciani Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers monty@roscom.com (Monty Solomon) wrote: |(IDG) -- The Canadian government will kick off a 90-day public comment |period this Saturday on whether to license technology aimed at |preventing the inappropriate use of cell phones in places such as |restaurants, theaters and concert halls. I wonder how the technology distinguishes appropriate use of cell phones in restaurants from inappropriate use of cell phones in restaurants. ``I'd like a non-smoking, cell-phone-enabled table. Ok, that will be $5 extra.'' Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 16:16:32 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Area code database lookup/validator? In article <98j45r$6sm$1@samba.rahul.net>, wrote: > Linc Madison wrote: > > : Be careful, though, about timelines. There are a few cases where an > : area code is split, goes through permissive dialing and enters > : mandatory dialing, and then has prefixes reassigned, all within a > : year. > > That's why I suggested the "planning Letters". Our original poster > wasn't so concerned about his numbers being good at the time they > were keyed in, he was worried about splits occurring out from under > him. > > www.nanpa.com has the planning letters online. My point is that you have to do more than just see that OLD-NXX in Anytown changed to NEW-NXX in the split. If you know that this record was in your database before the split, then it has indeed changed to the new code. However, if you have newer records mixed in, it could be a valid number in Othertown that got assigned OLD-NXX after it was freed up by the split. If you just blindly change all records with numbers in OLD-NXX to NEW-NXX, you may introduce errors that will be very difficult to correct. It's over a little bit longer timeline, but I found a couple of prefixes that were in 206, got split to 360, got reassigned in 206, and then got split again into 253 or 425, and then got reassigned in 206 again. If you have an entry of indeterminate age, it could now be in one of three area codes. It isn't a question of valid at time of entry versus splitting out from under you. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:59:17 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay On 12 Mar 2001 10:45:33 -0500 Joseph Singer wrote: > 11 Mar 2001 11:41:23 -0500 "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > > >Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a small > >crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching for dialtone > >and finding none ? > > > >Technology at it's finest hour. > > Neither the landlines or mobiles would normally count on traffic 300% more > than average. No network would ever be built to handle once-in-a-while > traffic if the network had any hope of making a profit. > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joseph Singer Seattle, WA USA > [ICQ pgr] > +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail]+1 206 493 0706 [FAX] Landline switching and trunking capacity are engineered on busy hour traffic volumes, not average traffic. Offered traffic during a disaster might be many times higher than even 300 per cent of the busy hour load. It seems unlikely to be possible to determine an actual figure, because so many requests for dial tone are abandoned without reaching any gear which could count them. Toll routing is usually modified to dedicate perhaps 90 per cent of trunks to outgoing toll, with only 10 per cent for incoming, on the basis that calls for assistance are more important and calls reporting a person or family is safe are much more likely of successful completion than incoming calls which may fail because the premises have been destroyed or simply because the people are likely not to be at home or work. Similar controls can be put in place on local switches to give priority to requests for service from emergency agencies and others. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 18:59:22 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Prisoner call centers (was: Canadian prison call centre) A number of years ago when I was in Florida I called the Howard Johnson reservation center (800 number) to make a reservation for the following night in Islamorada, Florida. The agent (male) took the various details, including my home telephone number, and then responded "that's not far from here." No, it surely wasn't. I was well aware where the Howard Johnson reservation center was, two or three miles from my house in Oklahoma City, and staffed by prison inmates on work release or halfway house programs or something like that. I never felt entirely easy until I got home a week or so later and the house and its contents were still intact. I believe I always called the destination Howard Johnsons direct after that if I wanted to make a reservation there. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com On 12 Mar 2001 12:10:04 -0500 Nigel Allen wrote: > Suppertime, the phone rings, and a man's voice asks for a few minutes of > your > time to answer some questions about a new product on the market. You say > yes, > picturing the fellow toiling away in a call centre somewhere in Northern > Ontario or Atlantic Canada. >   Think again. >   It could easily be an inmate of the minimum security Pittsburgh > Institution > outside of Kingston, Ontario, where Correctional Service Canada has > opened a > call centre of its own. > > For the rest of the story: > > http://www.straightgoods.com/Daley/010312.asp > > -- > forwarded by Nigel Allen ndallen@interlog.com > http://www.interlog.com/~ndallen/telecom.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 21:51:43 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay On 12 Mar 2001 14:53:38 -0500 Linc Madison wrote: > In article <3.0.5.32.20010312064119.00842220@oz.net>, Joseph Singer > wrote: > > > 11 Mar 2001 "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: > > > > >Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a > > >small crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching > > >for dialtone and finding none ? > > > > > >Technology at its finest hour. > > > > Neither the landlines or mobiles would normally count on traffic 300% > > more than average. No network would ever be built to handle > > once-in-a-while traffic if the network had any hope of making a > > profit. > > An hour and a half after the Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, there was > about a two-minute wait for landline dialtone in Berkeley. My flatmate > was repeatedly picking up the phone, hearing no dialtone, hanging up, > and immediately trying again. > > I explained to him: > * If it can possibly wait, then wait until the lines are less congested. > * If it can't wait, stay on the line until you get dialtone. > > About the worst possible thing you can do to the network in that > situation is repeatedly requeue yourself. Probably in the late 1950s I was living in Dallas when a tornado went through town. I was served by a step office and needing to make a call and finding dial tone not available after a minute or two I laid the handset down and came back every few minutes to check on it. Got dial tone in about 35-40 minutes. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 22:07:15 -0500 From: wdg@hal-pc.org Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay On 12 Mar 2001 10:45:33 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom Joseph Singer wrote: >11 Mar 2001 11:41:23 -0500 "Steve Fleckenstein" wrote: >>Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a small >>crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching for dialtone >>and finding none ? >>Technology at it's finest hour. >Neither the landlines or mobiles would normally count on traffic 300% more >than average. No network would ever be built to handle once-in-a-while >traffic if the network had any hope of making a profit. Naive corporate managers who in large part stake their company's Disaster Recovery plans on cell phones might do well to sit up and take notice of this situation. When the landline services go down, so too do the cells. Your best bet is alternate access. When Hurricane Alecia struck Houston back in the early 80s our phones stayed up and calls went out because we had our own private phone network as well as our own private backbone microwave repeater system and twin 15kw diesel generators. Sure the phones in Houston were jammed so we routed our outbound calls across our 6 Ghz terrestrial microwave and then out through one of our division offices in Indianapolis. Most everything outbound from there was toll, but as an interstate energy provider most everything is toll anyway. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 23:08:08 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers The jammer better have a publically accessable disable switch, to allow 911 calls in an emergency. Dan Lanciani wrote: > monty@roscom.com (Monty Solomon) wrote: > > |(IDG) -- The Canadian government will kick off a 90-day public comment > |period this Saturday on whether to license technology aimed at > |preventing the inappropriate use of cell phones in places such as > |restaurants, theaters and concert halls. > > I wonder how the technology distinguishes appropriate use of cell phones in > restaurants from inappropriate use of cell phones in restaurants. ``I'd > like a non-smoking, cell-phone-enabled table. Ok, that will be $5 extra.'' > > Dan Lanciani > ddl@danlan.*com > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 12 Mar 2001 23:48:56 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Robert Casey wrote: "The jammer better have a publically accessable disable switch, to allow 911 calls in an emergency." Fat lot of good that will do if the person who needs to call 911 is *outside* the establishment, but still within range of the jammer, and has no way of knowing why his wireless phone doesn't work. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #32 ******************************* Date: 13 Mar 2001 06:15:14 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #33 Telecom Digest Tuesday, March 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 033 In this issue: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay SS7 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Mar 2001 00:21:51 -0500 From: "Bob Goudreau" Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Steve Fleckenstein wrote: > Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where a small > crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching for dialtone > and finding none ? Apparently, the earthquake must have addled their brains, if they expected to find dial-tone on a cellular phone (functional or otherwise)... :-) Bob Goudreau Cary, NC - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 03:35:44 -0500 From: Mir Ali Subject: SS7 What is SS7 Signalling? Is same like CAS? Please Infomre SS7 link __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #33 ******************************* Date: 14 Mar 2001 02:02:25 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #34 Telecom Digest Wednesday, March 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 034 In this issue: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: cords and connectors query Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Finding GEOCODE code Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers RE: ICANNTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: cords and connectors query Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 techie fixes, was: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers FTC Hosts Privacy Tug-of-War Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 3/13/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 13 Mar 2001 07:53:32 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In <3AAD9D0A.7AD7A058@ix.netcom.com> Robert Casey writes: >The jammer better have a publically accessable disable switch, to >allow 911 calls in an emergency. sigh. and those restaurant owners damn well better not use wire meshed walls. or have their diner inside the building where reception is poor. And no way should they be allowed to use reflectorized windows. In fact, they should make sure there are phones at every single table. Or better yet, have EMTs stationed at every doorway. (emt = emergency medical technician). Anyway, for those who are so enamoured of the Nanny State, let me propse a compromise technological solution that will meet the vast majority of these worrywart concerns: set up the interference field (however it's designed) to block _incoming_ calls. and then explain to people that they're NOT to make casual outgoing calls. If they wish to do so, they should please step into the phone room. If someone is so critically important that they believe they must be reachable every second, then let them explain that to the consignor and hand over the phone. - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:00:13 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 11 Mar 2001 15:48:05 -0500, Joel B Levin wrote: >[posted and e-mailed to JRA] > >In , > jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: > >}On 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500, >} Joel B Levin wrote: >}> In , >}> jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: >}> }The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still >}> }occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. >}> >}> Then what does RJ-11 refer to? Just for the sake of clarity, RJ stands for Registered Jack. The media it uses is specific to the type of circuit it is intended for. An example, correct this time is that RJ-11, RJ-14 and RJ-25 refer to wiring arrangements for 1,2 and 3 line circuits. All use the standard 6 pin modular plug/jack. There was an RJ-22 but it was not the 4 pin handset jack, although I have seen it referenced in old supplier catalogs. The physical part of the REGISTERED JACK in an RJ-21X is the FEMALE amp connector. In the first days of registered jacks, there was no 110 block, so we know it as the familiar 66 block with the orange cover, but the 50 pin Female jack is actually the RJ-21 connection. My reference manual noted that there are/were 5 basic types of telephone company provided jacks and 4 letter designations. This guide also pointed out that several designations were being deleted from part 68 subpart F section 68.502. Those are: RJ 12,13,22-24,31M,32-38, and RJA1X to RJA4X. In essense, at the time this document was printed, the 1A2 key system and all reference to A-A1 was being removed from the FCC registered jack program. Of course, now that I've said all that, try http://www.suttleonline.com/usoctablea.html and look it up yourself :-). Carl Navarro The picture descriptions are omitted from Suttle's USOC online reference guide, so it isn't as nice as maybe Leviton's, but the entry to this section is http://www.suttleonline.com/usocindex.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 09:21:09 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Ed Ellers wrote: > Robert Casey wrote: > "The jammer better have a publically accessable disable switch, to allow 911 > calls in an emergency." > Fat lot of good that will do if the person who needs to call 911 is > *outside* the establishment, but still within range of the jammer, and has > no way of knowing why his wireless phone doesn't work. Which is why this should be done with passive measures, not active ones. Some metal foil backed wallpaper, and some reflectorized windows should keep cell phones from working inside while allowing them to work outside. An active jammer would need to be very carefully set up to not spill out into public spaces. As far as emergency calls, presumably the restaurant/theatre/library has wired phone. You really don't have to have a cell phone for that. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 10:06:53 -0500 From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP) Subject: Re: Finding GEOCODE code At 06:15 AM 3/10/01 -0500, editor@telecom-digest.org wrote: > >Date: 9 Mar 2001 15:22:17 -0500 >From: Reddy Karri >Subject: Finding GEOCODE code > >Hi, > >Is any one know how to find GEOCODE from the cell site >(i.e calls orginated from a cell phone). This info. is >required for as part of a tax calculation program. > >If any one know who should I contact, or any web site, >or any documents, I greatly appreciate. Reddy, one of my clients uses the Quantum sales tax package by a company known as Vertex in the Philadelphia PA area. Their URL is www.vertexinc.com As part of their sales tax package, they have geocode creation software (an API actually) that performs lookups into their database of county, city, state, and zip. Because post offices ("city names") can extend past the boundaries of a city, the county is important too. In Pennslyvania, the City of Philadelphia and the County of Philadelphia cover the same geographical area. The sales tax is higher in Philadelphia. But the Philadelphia post offices cover some areas of Delaware County -- which are not in the geographical boundaries of the city/county and have the same, "normal" sales tax as the rest of the state. With the proper database and software along with county, city, and state (zip is handy as a double-check but not required) you can determine the geocode. I don't work for Vertex, I've just used their database and API. > >Thanks >Reddy >reddy_k_s@yahoo.com David B. Horvath, CCP Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor Board Member, ICCP Educational Foundation - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:14:52 -0500 From: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Justa Lurker) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers It was 13 Mar 2001 07:53:32 -0500, and dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom: | If someone is so critically important that they believe | they must be reachable every second, then let them | explain that to the consignor and hand over the phone. Therin lies the key. What ever happened to polite people? It seems the attack of the obnoxious is what is leading to active blockers. When I carry a cellphone I am super aware of where I am and if it would be appropriate for that phone to ring or be used. It is OFF or on vibrate whenever in one of those places. Librarians love me! I don't believe active blocking is the answer. I'm not sure what Canada is suggesting, but I would hope that any area where an active blocker was in use would be clearly marked anywhere within range of the blocker. If that means posting signs on the street outside a business so be it. If this is to come, let it come licensed and regulated. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 12:50:59 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers danny burstein wrote: > If someone is so critically important that they believe they must be > reachable every second, then let them explain that to the consignor and > hand over the phone. Unless the business in question is a theater, why don't other patrons just mind their own business and let us use our phones as we please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 13:01:04 -0500 From: wbrownlo@my-deja.com (William \"Bill\" Brownlow) Subject: Re: Handheld Wire Label Printers On 12 Mar 2001 00:07:20 -0500, "Sam Elbe" wrote: Well, your sharpie will keep you from doing any wiring at any of my sites. My Statement of Work calls out specifically "machine generated labels" with a minimum "10 point sans-serif" type font. >I have been in the telephone business for 40 years and have never found the >justification for a cable labeler. A fine point Shrarpie works just fine >for 2 bucks. >Old Phone Dude >"Todd McLaughlin" wrote in message >news:98e9mc$7d2$1@samba.rahul.net... >> I'm looking at get a wire label printer for phone/network wiring, and >> wanted some opinions. The Kroy K2500 has an attractive price (free when >> you buy twenty outrageously-priced label cartridges). Anyone have good or >> bad experience with this tool or recommendations for a different brand? >> I'll probably be using the self-laminating labels most of the time. >> >> Thanks! >> Todd >> -- >> The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >> messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. >-- >The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail >messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:44:09 -0500 From: "Peter F. Dubuque" Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In accordance with the prophecy, John David Galt wrote: > danny burstein wrote: >> If someone is so critically important that they believe they must be >> reachable every second, then let them explain that to the consignor and >> hand over the phone. > Unless the business in question is a theater, why don't other patrons > just mind their own business and let us use our phones as we please? If you're going out with other people, they have a legitimate right to expect that you give them an appropriate amount of attention. If you spend 20 minutes chatting away on your cell phone, then you're not doing that. It's just rude. But that's a private rudeness shown only to your friends, and if they were the only people affected, then it'd be up to them alone, not to society at large, to determine an appropriate level of opprobrium. But many cell phone users choose to be publicly rude to everyone around them. Once I was trying to have a nice meal at a fancy restaurant with some friends only to be interrupted four times by the shrill sound of a cell phone going off at the next table. If you have to make outgoing calls, fine, do it quietly, or do it outside, or in the restroom, or some other place where you won't disturb other people. If you have to accept incoming calls, turn your ringer off. Set it to vibrate or flash at you or whatever. And if you can't do that, then you should probably stay at home or at work or someplace else where you can conduct such important business without bothering others. I like to think that most people are courteous and responsible with their cell phones, just as most people avoid blowing cigarette smoke directly in other people's faces. But there are some who aren't, who are unfortunately ruining it for everyone else. If you want people to mind their own business, then stop making your business theirs as well. - -- Peter F. Dubuque - peterd@shore.net - Enemy of Reason(TM) O- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:58:39 -0500 From: Keelan Lightfoot Subject: RE: ICANNTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES I have been noticing that recently, the ICBTollFreeNews has become the ICANNTollFreeNews. Every article is about the ICANN. I haven't seen an article in the ICBTollFree News for some time that isn't solely about the ICANN. Isn't this the *TELECOM* digest, not the ICANN Digest? Why not dump all the ICANN stuff into one article, and call it the 'weekly ICANN summary', then fill up the other 9 or so article spots with telecom news? - - Keelan Lightfoot - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 15:59:48 -0500 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu wrote >Which is why this should be done with passive measures, not active >ones. Some metal foil backed wallpaper, and some reflectorized >windows should keep cell phones from working inside while It doesn't work. I've been wearing a tinfoil hat all week and the FBI microwaves are still activating part of my brain. - -- Incontinence Hotline, can you hold please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:11:06 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Peter F. Dubuque wrote: > But many cell phone users choose to be publicly rude to everyone around > them. Once I was trying to have a nice meal at a fancy restaurant with some > friends only to be interrupted four times by the shrill sound of a cell > phone going off at the next table. If you have to make outgoing calls, > fine, do it quietly, or do it outside, or in the restroom, or some other > place where you won't disturb other people. If you have to accept incoming > calls, turn your ringer off. Set it to vibrate or flash at you or whatever. > And if you can't do that, then you should probably stay at home or at work > or someplace else where you can conduct such important business without > bothering others. While I agree that the ringing phones are a nuisance, it seems to me that in a restaurant or other public place where many other people are holding conversations, talking on a cell phone is hardly more disturbing or rude than talking to a table-mate. This assumes, of course, that you don't talk louder than normal when on the phone. Clearly one should turn that phone off when going into a theatre, or at the very least set it to vibrate and leave the auditorium before answering a call. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:16:25 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: cords and connectors query On 13 Mar 2001 09:00:13 -0500, Carl Navarro wrote: > On 11 Mar 2001 15:48:05 -0500, Joel B Levin wrote: > >[posted and e-mailed to JRA] Who didn't *get* his copy... > >In , > > jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: > > > >}On 10 Mar 2001 13:07:33 -0500, > >} Joel B Levin wrote: > >}> In , > >}> jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) wrote: > >}> }The 4-position, by the way, has no name at all; you might still > >}> }occasionally hear RJ-22, but that's wrong, too. > >}> > >}> Then what does RJ-11 refer to? And you didn't actually quote me. > Just for the sake of clarity, RJ stands for Registered Jack. The > media it uses is specific to the type of circuit it is intended for. Yep; did say that, didn't I? > An example, correct this time is that RJ-11, RJ-14 and RJ-25 refer to My, Carl; are you having a bad day today? > wiring arrangements for 1,2 and 3 line circuits. All use the standard > 6 pin modular plug/jack. There was an RJ-22 but it was not the 4 pin > handset jack, although I have seen it referenced in old supplier > catalogs. > > Of course, now that I've said all that, try > http://www.suttleonline.com/usoctablea.html > and look it up yourself :-). Whereupon we find that it's not the RJ-12; that's a keysystem related jack. Oops. Thanks for the pointer. Cheers, - - jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 16:29:54 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers >>>>> "Bill" == writes: Bill> While I agree that the ringing phones are a nuisance, it seems to me Bill> that in a restaurant or other public place where many other people Bill> are holding conversations, talking on a cell phone is hardly more Bill> disturbing or rude than talking to a table-mate. This assumes, of Bill> course, that you don't talk louder than normal when on the phone. Ahh, therein lies the rub. I know of very few cell phone users (sometimes even myself) who don't seem to jump up a good five to ten decibels when talking on a cell phone. - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:16:40 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Danny Burstein wrote: "Anyway, for those who are so enamoured of the Nanny State, let me propse a compromise technological solution that will meet the vast majority of these worrywart concerns: "set up the interference field (however it's designed) to block _incoming_ calls." Not possible. You can't even make an outgoing call if the signal from the cell site can't be received first. (Among other things, this prevents wireless phones from causing interference if inadvertently taken to another country with different frequency assignments.) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 17:34:32 -0500 From: George Rapp Subject: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line Hi, telecom gurus. I'm sure this is a FAQ somewhere, but since I don't know the correct keywords to search for, I haven't found an answer by searching the 'Net. I'm hoping one of you kind folks can point me in the right direction. Here's my situation: Device #1 is a speakerphone Device #2 is a modem They need to share a single POTS line. However, whenever device #1 goes off-hook, I want it to grab the line and hold it, disconnecting device #2 if necessary. I have found a Radio Shack part (intended for the opposite purpose -- stopping home users from picking up an extension phone and knocking a modem off) that will grab the line and hold it, but I haven't found anything that will knock another device off the line. Suggestions or pointers would be most welcome ... George - -- George Rapp (Columbus, OH) Go 'Huskers!!! Home: gwr@novia.net ICQ: 14583674 AIM: gwrboing Work: george.rapp@eds.com (or) george.rapp@dfas.mil Do Roman paramedics refer to IV's as "4's"? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:04:02 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Peter Dubuque writes: > But many cell phone users choose to be publicly rude to everyone around > them. Once I was trying to have a nice meal at a fancy restaurant with some > friends only to be interrupted four times by the shrill sound of a cell > phone going off at the next table. I don't accept Peter's position that this was rude. It's been a normal part of life since the late 20th century, and I think he should learn to deal with it as such. (And no, I don't have a cell phone.) There are places where phones should not be ringing, such as theaters. And unnecessarily loud talking in a public place is rude whether it involves a phone or not. But restaurants? Come on. This jammer concept needs to be killed, *very* dead. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto | "Gadgetry abounded everywhere, almost all of which msb@vex.net | he could justify." -- Robert Asprin My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 18:14:39 -0500 From: heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) Subject: Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line gwr@novia.net (George Rapp) wrote >They need to share a single POTS line. However, whenever device #1 goes >off-hook, I want it to grab the line and hold it, disconnecting device #2 >if necessary. > >I have found a Radio Shack part (intended for the opposite purpose -- >stopping home users from picking up an extension phone and knocking a >modem off) that will grab the line and hold it, but I haven't found >anything that will knock another device off the line. Maybe I'm not understanding this properly, but can't you just take your original device from Radio Shack and hook it up so the modem and the phone are plugged into each other's jack? I.e. if the modem had priority and disabled the phones, why can't you plug the phone into that jack and give it priority over the modem? - -- Incontinence Hotline, can you hold please? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 19:18:19 -0500 From: Chris Williams Subject: Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line George Rapp wrote: > > Hi, telecom gurus. I'm sure this is a FAQ somewhere, but since I don't > know the correct keywords to search for, I haven't found an answer by > searching the 'Net. I'm hoping one of you kind folks can point me in the > right direction. > > Here's my situation: > Device #1 is a speakerphone > Device #2 is a modem > > They need to share a single POTS line. However, whenever device #1 goes > off-hook, I want it to grab the line and hold it, disconnecting device #2 > if necessary. > > I have found a Radio Shack part (intended for the opposite purpose -- > stopping home users from picking up an extension phone and knocking a > modem off) that will grab the line and hold it, but I haven't found > anything that will knock another device off the line. You could probably get the Radio Shack part and plug the devices in the opposite jacks. - ------------------------------------------------------------- Chris B Williams vox (515) 232-4848 Software Consulting & Design fax (515) 232-9459 PO Box 1989 / Ames IA 50010-1989 / USA cbw@netins.net - ------------------------------------------------------------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 21:45:31 -0500 From: stevek@shell3.shore.net () Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In article <98m905$9g1$1@news.tht.net>, Mark Brader wrote: > >There are places where phones should not be ringing, such as theaters. >And unnecessarily loud talking in a public place is rude whether it >involves a phone or not. But restaurants? Come on. I think it's horribly rude. It stops conversations at all the tables around the ringer. It's like saying "Look at me! Look at me!" It's noise pollution. And considering it's so easily avoidable -- ie by turning on vibrate and off the ringer -- to not do so is, well, rude. Not all restaurants are loud, acoustically horrible, and clangy. Many are quiet and full of atmosphere. Jangling cell phones are a nuisance. What's so hard about putting it on vibrate? - -- - --- Steve K. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:04:15 -0500 From: wdg@hal-pc.org Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers On 13 Mar 2001 21:45:31 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom stevek@shell3.shore.net () wrote: >In article <98m905$9g1$1@news.tht.net>, Mark Brader wrote: >>There are places where phones should not be ringing, such as theaters. >>And unnecessarily loud talking in a public place is rude whether it >>involves a phone or not. But restaurants? Come on. >I think it's horribly rude. It stops conversations at all the >tables around the ringer. It's like saying "Look at me! >Look at me!" It's noise pollution. And considering it's so >easily avoidable -- ie by turning on vibrate and off the ringer -- >to not do so is, well, rude. I agree, it's terribly rude. >Not all restaurants are loud, acoustically horrible, and clangy. >Many are quiet and full of atmosphere. Jangling cell phones >are a nuisance. What's so hard about putting it on vibrate? The jingling/jangling cell phones aren't so much a nuisance as are the people talking on them. In a fine restaurant they disrupt the atmosphere at every table near them. Do these cell phone users realize that everyone else around them thinks they are a complete jackass? I am not at all against cell phone use. My wife and I each have one, but there is a time and a place where their use is completely inappropriate, not to mention horribly rude. Top five locations where I consider cell phone use to be in incredibly poor taste: 5. in a meeting 4. while dining (yes, including MacDonalds) 3. in a theater 2. by you in my home while you're visiting me 1. in a public restroom while using the toilet - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:05:09 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > >I don't understand something in this article. It says that a number of >states have laws against 911 calls from automated devices, because the >dispatcher can't talk to the caller to determine the nature of the >emergency in order to know who to send (fire fighters, paramedics, or >police). But I'd heard that 911 dispatchers were specifically trained to >deal with situations like this. Sometimes people call 911 in circumstances >where they can't speak -- they're choking, they pass out after placing the >call, there's an assailant and they don't want to alert him, etc. How is >this 911 pendant any different from those? And how often does that happen? When it does happen, the dispatcher will have to, essentially, guess what who to send. Where I live, the procedures say "guess police"; it may be different in other places. But the number of manual calls that result in them having to guess is nontrivially lower than the number of automated calls that would lead to that. So even though they're properly trained on how to guess, they still don't want them having to guess on a regular basis: it's results in a lot of wasted callouts. You also have a much higher false alarm rate with automated calls, that higher rate is compounded by the fact that many manually dialed false alarms don't result in a dispatch because the dispatcher is able to accurately determine that it's a false alarm; but with an automated devices, especially none designed to not make it obvious that it's been triggered, they're almost always going to have to dispatch. (The false alarm thing is probably a bigger reason for opposing automated 911-calling devices.) -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:09:40 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: techie fixes, was: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone In <98m5rr$2mend$1@ID-39509.news.dfncis.de> "Ed Ellers" writes: >Danny Burstein wrote: >"set up the interference field (however it's designed) to block _incoming_ >calls." >Not possible. You can't even make an outgoing call if the signal from the >cell site can't be received first. That's why I left this as a technological fix. Rather than a simple shield or a (very wide band) noise pattern blocking all cellular frequencies, set up something so that the (much more limited number of) control channels from the cellular base are blocked from entering the room. If your system detects an outgoing call attempt, which you could do by seeing an initial "hi, here I am, where are you?" ping out from the phone, then it could shut itself down. danny 'and then there's always the cast-iron method; slam a cast-iron frying pan on the head of anyone using their phone and annoying people' burstein - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:12:37 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers >From 'stevek@shell3.shore.net': >I think it's horribly rude. It stops conversations at all the >tables around the ringer. It's like saying "Look at me! >Look at me!" It's noise pollution. And considering it's so >easily avoidable -- ie by turning on vibrate and off the ringer -- >to not do so is, well, rude. It's easy for many people. For my friend with his Qualcomm QCP860, which doesn't vibrate, it's hard to put the phone into vibrate mode. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:20:55 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers wdg@hal-pc.org writes: >From: wdg@hal-pc.org >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers >Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:04:15 -0500 >. . . >The jingling/jangling cell phones aren't so much a nuisance as are the >people talking on them. In a fine restaurant they disrupt the atmosphere >at every table near them. > >Do these cell phone users realize that everyone else around them thinks >they are a complete jackass? Possibly these individuals (who would complain vehemently if their telephones were "bugged") don't feel the need for privacy in conducting a conversation in raised voice in a public place. For those so inclined to demonstrative protests, I suggest making comments, suggestions, and additions to the person on the phone. Obviously, if he/she is speaking loudly enough for you to hear clearly one side of the conversation, your helpful advice should be appreciated. Be sure your comments are appropriate to the phone user's conversation. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 13 Mar 2001 23:49:50 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FTC Hosts Privacy Tug-of-War FTC Hosts Privacy Tug-of-War WASHINGTON - Privacy advocates and industry representatives sparred Tuesday over the need for new privacy regulations on information-sharing, during a daylong Federal Trade Commission workshop on data-handling practices in the private sector. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,22828,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 01:01:29 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers On 13 Mar 2001 15:44:09 -0500, Peter F. Dubuque wrote: > I like to think that most people are courteous and responsible with their > cell phones, just as most people avoid blowing cigarette smoke directly in > other people's faces. But there are some who aren't, who are unfortunately > ruining it for everyone else. If you want people to mind their own > business, then stop making your business theirs as well. My favorite solution? Whip out my Pilot and start very blatantly taking notes. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 01:41:17 -0500 From: Gary Novosielski Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 On 12 Mar 2001 10:38:23 -0500, Barry Margolin wrote: >I don't understand something in this article. It says that a number of >states have laws against 911 calls from automated devices, because the >dispatcher can't talk to the caller to determine the nature of the >emergency in order to know who to send (fire fighters, paramedics, or >police). But I'd heard that 911 dispatchers were specifically trained to >deal with situations like this. Sometimes people call 911 in circumstances >where they can't speak -- they're choking, they pass out after placing the >call, there's an assailant and they don't want to alert him, etc. How is >this 911 pendant any different from those? It's different because, KNOWING that the call is NOT automated, the dispatcher can consider the possibility that silence may well indicate one of the circumstances you mentioned, and not find out afterward that (s)he has been was wasting time and resources trying to save the life of a malfunctioning plastic box. We'd all agree that witnessing a car theft would be good grounds to call 911, but imagine the effect on public safety if every car alarm were set to dial 911, and the dispatcher had to roll police, ambulance, and fire rigs for each false alarm. The reason people don't pay any attention to a car alarm any more (except briefly to curse the idiot that had it installed) is because it's an automatic device with no intelligence. When you hear one, the overwhelming odds are that there is, in fact, NO car being stolen. You make a judgement call based on long and valid experience. Public safety dispatchers have had long and valid experience with automated alarms, and come to a similar conclusion. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #34 ******************************* Date: 14 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #35 Telecom Digest Wednesday, March 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 035 In this issue: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #34 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Mar 2001 04:41:06 -0500 From: "Darren Ingram" Subject: Re: Telecom Digest V2001 #34 Certainly the ICB news has a /lot more/ advertising and wasted space nowadays compared to when Pat was at the tiller. I will be glad when the current agreement ends and this 'intelligence' can be ceased. The ads-to-content ratio is far too high. DARREN INGRAM, M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD, di@m2.com Current location M2, Jakobstad, Finland +358 40 7385292 ================================================== ++ Daily News Services ++ Worldwide Press Distribution Network ++ Photowire Service ================================================== The views and opinions expressed in this message may not necessarily reflect those of M2 Communications Ltd De synpunkter och åsikter som framkommer i det här e-post meddelandet delas inte nödvändigtvis av M2 Communications Ltd. ================================================== - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #35 ******************************* Date: 15 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #36 Telecom Digest Thursday, March 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 036 In this issue: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Smile, You're On Scan Camera Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Disposable Card Numbers Address Web Fears Prepaid Phones and Privacy, Too All That Data, All That Secrecy Are Wireless Firms Playing Smart? High-tech titans put the squeeze on privacy regs Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line Random fax calls to hospital patients cited in $90,000 settlement Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: When two gadgets become one Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Re: Smile, You're On Scan Camera ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 14 Mar 2001 08:16:26 -0500 From: "W. Joseph Wineburgh" Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers [Crawling back in to my chair after laying on the floor laughing for five minutes] That must take a 'special' breed of genius (read: 'no class') - especially if it's someone of the opposite sex on the phone that you're not closely related to (I could just imagine the fireworks)... #JOE > 1. in a public restroom while using the toilet _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 09:38:00 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers On 14 Mar 2001 08:16:26 -0500, W. Joseph Wineburgh wrote: > > 1. in a public restroom while using the toilet > [Crawling back in to my chair after laying on the floor laughing for five > minutes] > > That must take a 'special' breed of genius (read: 'no class') - especially > if it's someone of the opposite sex on the phone that you're not closely > related to (I could just imagine the fireworks)... No... that doesn't hold a candle to "talking to your spouse on the 2-meter handheld, while in the ladies toilet", which got an old friend of mine some seriously weird looks at a hamfest many years back. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:02:05 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article <5.0.2.1.0.20010313172749.00a55480@mailbox.verizon.net>, Gary Novosielski wrote: >We'd all agree that witnessing a car theft would be good grounds to call >911, but imagine the effect on public safety if every car alarm were set to >dial 911, and the dispatcher had to roll police, ambulance, and fire rigs >for each false alarm. If a car alarm were automated, I would expect it to send a recorded message like "Car is being stolen". How much guesswork would be needed? >The reason people don't pay any attention to a car alarm any more (except >briefly to curse the idiot that had it installed) is because it's an >automatic device with no intelligence. When you hear one, the overwhelming >odds are that there is, in fact, NO car being stolen. You make a judgement >call based on long and valid experience. Public safety dispatchers have >had long and valid experience with automated alarms, and come to a similar >conclusion. But we're not talking about something that goes off by itself, we're talking about a panic button that the user wears. It generates an automated message, but it's not automated like a car alarm. And it has a microphone, so after the automated message it relays all the ambient sounds around the user. The only real difference between it and a 911 phone call is that it's easier to trigger (although many phones have extra buttons that can be programmed to call emergency numbers) and the dispatcher can't talk back to the caller. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:14:52 -0500 From: hes@unity.ncsu.edu (Henry E Schaffer) Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > ... The only real difference between it and a 911 phone call ... The phone in my kitchen (AT&T brand, IIRC) has a "911" button on it. I.e., I press one button and something inside automatically dials/pulses "911". Is that "automated"? It seems more automated than a pendant which one would "yank it a couple of times"??? - --henry schaffer - -- - --henry schaffer hes@ncsu.edu - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:49:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Smile, You're On Scan Camera Smile, You're On Scan Camera When football fans learned that their faces were scanned and compared to mugshots of common criminals at this year's Super Bowl, many were outraged. But they shouldn't have been surprised. In the United States, face scans are used by casinos to look for cheats; law enforcement to digitalize mug shots; welfare departments to look for double-dippers; drivers' license bureaus to reduce I.D. forgers; and ATMs to separate clients from crooks. http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42317,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:49:33 -0500 From: merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers >>>>> "Jay" == Jay R Ashworth writes: Jay> No... that doesn't hold a candle to "talking to your spouse on the Jay> 2-meter handheld, while in the ladies toilet", which got an old friend Jay> of mine some seriously weird looks at a hamfest many years back. Hmm. I guess I misread that three times. Are you talking about a woman in the ladies toilet... or a guy? I can see why a guy would get seriously weird looks. :) - -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:50:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Disposable Card Numbers Address Web Fears Disposable Card Numbers Address Web Fears Can the Web be made safe for credit cards? Online merchants say yes, but plenty of shoppers disagree. Studies show that up to 80 percent of people who make financial use of the Web don't trust it with their credit card numbers. They might check the Net for prices and products. But for actual purchasing, they visit the store or pick up the phone. Card issuers, hoping to calm these fears, are always on the lookout for new technologies that might make you feel safe. The latest is a system for creating disposable credit card numbers. You use each number once and - poof! - it disappears. There's nothing in the merchant's data bank for hackers to steal. http://www.washtech.com/news/media/8228-1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:53:19 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Prepaid Phones and Privacy, Too Prepaid Phones and Privacy, Too While the privacy debate continues in Washington, new business models may render it obsolete. Firms have begun to offer anonymous, prepaid credit cards and anonymous, disposable cellular phones http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42408,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 11:55:39 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: All That Data, All That Secrecy All That Data, All That Secrecy Privacy advocates assail the secretive nature of database marketers at a Federal Trade Commission workshop. They want massive database gatherers such as Acxiom and Abacus to open up and let the public peer in. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42406,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:00:26 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Are Wireless Firms Playing Smart? Are Wireless Firms Playing Smart? One promising solution to the lousy mobile phone service in the United States might be the implementation of smart antennas. Then why aren't the big companies putting them up? http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42352,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:02:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: High-tech titans put the squeeze on privacy regs High-tech titans put the squeeze on privacy regs WASHINGTON -- A group of companies and industry organizations have quietly undertaken a campaign to nip Internet-privacy legislation in the bud. Aiming to halt the advance of dozens of privacy bills in Congress and in state legislatures across the country, the group Monday went public with four industry-funded studies asserting that privacy legislation would cost consumers billions of dollars annually. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2695633,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 12:36:59 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy >From 'Monty Solomon': >All That Data, All That Secrecy > >Privacy advocates assail the secretive nature of database marketers >at a Federal Trade Commission workshop. They want massive database >gatherers such as Acxiom and Abacus to open up and let the public >peer in. > >http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42406,00.html Quote: Later, Michael Pashby, president of the Magazine Publishers Association, told the crowd that publishers were careful to protect privacy. But he passed when activist Evan Hendricks suggested consumers ought to be able to opt out of marketing lists by just marking a check box on subscription forms. "Any time you give people an option, response declines," Pashby said. Yeah, idiot, of course it does! Marketers are, for the most part, slugs, and database marketers are lower than slugs. They know you don't want to talk to them, so they attempt to force you instead of honoring your wishes. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:16:52 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article <98o5dm$9ke$1@uni00nw.unity.ncsu.edu>, Henry E Schaffer wrote: >In article , >Barry Margolin wrote: >> ... The only real difference between it and a 911 phone call ... > > The phone in my kitchen (AT&T brand, IIRC) has a "911" button on it. >I.e., I press one button and something inside automatically dials/pulses >"911". > > Is that "automated"? It seems more automated than a pendant which one >would "yank it a couple of times"??? I don't think it meets their definition of automated, since you have to press the button manually and you can talk to the dispatcher. I think the law addresses systems where the dispatcher can't ask the caller what the nature of the emergency is. - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Sneaky E-Mail Senders Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Web site operators have long agonized over how to entice casual visitors to fork over their name and e-mail address. But a maverick band of dot-coms has come up with a controversial tactic: Surreptitiously asking your computer to hand over the data. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/12/BU205317.DTL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 13:55:32 -0500 From: "Paul Cook" Subject: Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line George Rapp wrote: > They need to share a single POTS line. However, whenever device #1 goes > off-hook, I want it to grab the line and hold it, disconnecting device #2 > if necessary. > > I have found a Radio Shack part (intended for the opposite purpose -- > stopping home users from picking up an extension phone and knocking a > modem off) that will grab the line and hold it, but I haven't found > anything that will knock another device off the line. > heywood@gloucester.com (Heywood Jaiblomi) wrote: > Maybe I'm not understanding this properly, but can't you just take your > original device from Radio Shack and hook it up so the modem and the phone > are plugged into each other's jack? I.e. if the modem had priority and > disabled the phones, why can't you plug the phone into that jack and give > it priority over the modem? You can do this with exclusion modules, and give priority to any device that you want to, but that doesn't cause the priority device to dump anyone. Chris Williams wrote: > You could probably get the Radio Shack part and plug the devices in the > opposite jacks. When George mentions the Radio Shack part, he is talking about an exclusion module (we make them: see http://www.proctorinc.com/data.htm down inside www.proctorinc.com). But exclusion modules don't dump any user off the line. They prevent the user that they are wired to from accessing the line if it is already in use. When you go off hook, the exclusion module wired in series with your phone/device checks the DC line voltage, expecting to see 48 vdc in the on-hook state. If it sees DC voltage below about 30 vdc or so, it assumes that the line is in use and does not cut you through. But if you are wired in series with a voltage operated exclusion module, and using the line, another user going off hook (whether they are in series with an exculsion module or not) will not cause you to be dumped off. The only exception to this that I have heard of involves the Radio Shack module and answering machines. I once had an answering machine that had the disconnect feature built in; when a phone went off hook during the outgoing message or record cycle, the answering machine would stop. I have heard that there is a way to use the Radio Shack module to cause answering machines that do not have this feature to dump if an extension is picked up, but if wired in series with an extension phone, they won't dump the phone if another user goes off hook. Does anyone know how this works? There is another kind of exclusion module that is current operated instead of voltage operated. It doesn't care what the DC line voltage is. It is like a relay that takes an incoming line and splits it into two jacks. Whichever jack goes off-hook first has priorty, but like the series voltage operated exclusion module, it is designed not to dump a call already in progress. Paul Cook - Applications Engineer pcook@proctorinc.com 425-881-7000, ext 566 Proctor & Associates 15305 NE 95 St Redmond WA 98052-2517 www.proctorinc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 15:03:25 -0500 From: Joseph Singer Subject: Random fax calls to hospital patients cited in $90,000 settlement http://king5.com/localnews/storydetail.html?StoryID=15706 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:01:00 -0500 From: "Green, Andrew" Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay >> Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where >> a small crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching >> for dialtone and finding none ? > > Apparently, the earthquake must have addled their brains, if they > expected to find dial-tone on a cellular phone (functional or > otherwise)... Actually, back in the early 1990s when Ameritech was beta-testing PCS phones in the Chicago area, you _did_ get dial tone, and that was how you could check the quality of your connection before making a call (the initial units were really weak on power). If you couldn't even get a steady dial tone, there was no point in attempting to place the call. - -- Andrew C. Green (312) 853-8331 Datalogics, Inc. 101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800 http://www.datalogics.com Chicago, IL 60606-7301 Fax: (312) 853-8282 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 18:18:21 -0500 From: John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: When two gadgets become one On 7 Mar 2001 23:03:04 -0500, Monty Solomon innocently posted a story, writen by Simson Garfinkel of Salon, with a great degree of hype and a disregard for the facts: > >When two gadgets become one > >Handspring's VisorPhone is the first cool combination of cellphone >and personal digital assistant. What of the Qualcomm pdqSmartphone? http://www.qualcomm.com/cda/pr/view/0,1565,28,00.html > >- - - - - - - - - - - - >By Simson Garfinkel > > >March 7, 2001 | Guess what -- convergence is finally here, and it >fits in the palm of your hand, courtesy of Handspring. It's the >VisorPhone, a new cellular phone half the size of Motorola's >venerable StarTAC and weighing just 2.9 ounces. It slides into the >back of a Handspring Visor PDA and turns the Palm-compatible >organizer into a full-featured cellphone. I've had this phone for >more than a month now, and I love it. > >http://www.salon.com/tech/col/garf/2001/03/07/visorphone/index.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 19:21:52 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 Recently I have seen articles about a project where people can turn in their old cell phones to particular collecting places. The phones will be reprogrammed to dial 911 and one or two other emergency numbers. These will be given to people such as battered women, stalking victims, people who have received court orders against abusers, etc. The air time is being paid for by the cell phone companies as their effort to provide a charitable service. I think this is a really good idea. What I don't know is if the phones are programmed in such a way that the 911 dispatchers can "guess" correctly which service to send. As pointed out, this is usually a police matter. There may be people who suffer certain medical conditions where they might need quick access to medical help. There are devices people can have at home that connect to a cordless phone device that can call for help and play a recorded message asking for help. I wonder if cell phones can be programmed in a similar way. This way the dispatchers will have a better way of knowing what service to send. On 13 Mar 2001 23:05:09 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)) wrote: >In article , >Barry Margolin wrote: >> >>I don't understand something in this article. It says that a number of >>states have laws against 911 calls from automated devices, because the >>dispatcher can't talk to the caller to determine the nature of the >>emergency in order to know who to send (fire fighters, paramedics, or >>police). But I'd heard that 911 dispatchers were specifically trained to >>deal with situations like this. Sometimes people call 911 in circumstances >>where they can't speak -- they're choking, they pass out after placing the >>call, there's an assailant and they don't want to alert him, etc. How is >>this 911 pendant any different from those? > >And how often does that happen? When it does happen, the dispatcher >will have to, essentially, guess what who to send. Where I live, the >procedures say "guess police"; it may be different in other places. > >But the number of manual calls that result in them having to guess is >nontrivially lower than the number of automated calls that would lead >to that. So even though they're properly trained on how to guess, they >still don't want them having to guess on a regular basis: it's results >in a lot of wasted callouts. > >You also have a much higher false alarm rate with automated calls, that >higher rate is compounded by the fact that many manually dialed false >alarms don't result in a dispatch because the dispatcher is able to >accurately determine that it's a false alarm; but with an automated >devices, especially none designed to not make it obvious that it's been >triggered, they're almost always going to have to dispatch. > - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 19:35:27 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs On 14 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > >Sneaky E-Mail Senders >Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs > >Web site operators have long agonized over how to entice casual >visitors to fork over their name and e-mail address. > >But a maverick band of dot-coms has come up with a controversial >tactic: Surreptitiously asking your computer to hand over the data. > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/12/BU205317.DTL I suggested on another Newsgroup that some of us might like to add their addresses to our .sigs, and was gifted with the following. (I hope this works. It is my first attempt at a .sig with this news client.) people who might like some spam: 70732.56@compuserve.com albert@silhouettes-inc.com info@atlantistech.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:21:01 -0500 From: iverson0201@mnjazz.com (Al Iverson) Subject: Re: Phone Companies Claim Pay Phones Don't Pay In article <51ED3F5356D8D011A0B1006097C30734035BF386@martinique>, "Green, Andrew" wrote: > >> Did you see the national newsclip of the Seattle earthquake where > >> a small crowd of cellphone users standing out in the street searching > >> for dialtone and finding none ? > > > > Apparently, the earthquake must have addled their brains, if they > > expected to find dial-tone on a cellular phone (functional or > > otherwise)... > > Actually, back in the early 1990s when Ameritech was beta-testing PCS phones > in the Chicago area, you _did_ get dial tone, and that was how you could > check the quality of your connection before making a call (the initial units > were really weak on power). If you couldn't even get a steady dial tone, > there was no point in attempting to place the call. My USWest (now Qwest) PCS phone has fake dialtone. If you hit talk before dialing a number you hear dialtone and the screen says "enter number to call." Best, Al Iverson - -- Al Iverson - http://www.mnjazz.com/ - Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA Minnesota Jazz Online -- Support live jazz in Minnesota! My opinions are mine alone unless I indicate otherwise. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 20:34:34 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers On 13 Mar 2001 16:29:54 -0500 Randal L. Schwartz wrote: [ ... text deleted ... ] > Ahh, therein lies the rub. I know of very few cell phone users > (sometimes even myself) who don't seem to jump up a good five to ten > decibels when talking on a cell phone. This reminds me of some time in the 1960s we were doing a review of house (telco) advertisements in telephone directories. One of them everyone found amusing was one with careful line art of a 1920s or 1930s type executive, complete with mustache, talking into what looked like one of the first Bell System handsets, with the copy: "Speak in a normal tone when using the telephone. It is not necessary to shout." Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 14 Mar 2001 22:54:54 -0500 From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger) Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 In article , Barry Margolin wrote: > >I don't think it meets their definition of automated, since you have to >press the button manually and you can talk to the dispatcher. I think the >law addresses systems where the dispatcher can't ask the caller what the >nature of the emergency is. *The* law? There are lots and each is worded it's own way. Some states or counties might have laws worded as you describe above, some would certainly be different. -- Brett - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 02:43:33 -0500 From: David Clayton Subject: Re: Smile, You're On Scan Camera Monty Solomon contributed the following: >Smile, You're On Scan Camera > >When football fans learned that their faces were scanned and compared >to mugshots of common criminals at this year's Super Bowl, many were >outraged. But they shouldn't have been surprised. > >In the United States, face scans are used by casinos to look for >cheats; law enforcement to digitalize mug shots; welfare departments >to look for double-dippers; drivers' license bureaus to reduce I.D. >forgers; and ATMs to separate clients from crooks. > >http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,42317,00.html And with the available technology now able to scan you from a fair distance, you won't even know it has happened most of the time. Listening to some of the biometrics vendors, the recognition accuracy rate is pretty high now and getting better as the technology matures. As well, with Iris scanning now being done at ranges > 4 metres it won't be long until your identity is recorded with virtually 100% accuracy by almost anyone who wants to do it. - - - Regards, David. David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #36 ******************************* Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:12:15 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #37 Telecom Digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 037 In this issue: Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: School banning bomb threats. Re: Smile, You're On Scan Camera Re: School banning bomb threats. stolen cellphone security Re: School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs Telephone parts Re: School banning bomb threats. Re: stolen cellphone security Re: School banning bomb threats. Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 The Cell Phone as Marketing Tool: Will Consumers Answer the Call? Re: School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs Up for Sale: How Best to Protect Privacy on the Internet Re: School banning bomb threats. AOL Adds Digital City, Moviefone to Voice Portal U.S. Congress Set To Tackle Spammers Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Canada Pushes Sweeping Net Child Porn Law S.D. men face felony counts, a rarity, in e-mail 'spamming' 3/15/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES TCP weakness may be worse than suspected Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks The Universal Cell Phone Red-Hot Kiwi Cyber Law Debate This Link Wasn't Better Business Smart Time for Smartphones? Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 15 Mar 2001 07:56:18 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: 2 devices sharing 1 POTS line In article <006b01c0acb8$5249c4a0$b2cc173f@paul>, Paul Cook wrote: > But exclusion modules don't dump any user off the line. > They prevent the user that they are wired to from accessing > the line if it is already in use. Back when I still used a modem, I had one of these devices, and it did indeed dump the low-priority device if the high-priority device went off-hook. It was rather annoying in that regard, because there were times that I was talking on the telephone when the computer decided for reasons not always immediately obvious that it needed The Internet. For that reason, I put the modem on a power strip with an easily accessible switch, so that I could kill it quickly if it interrupted a voice call. I no longer have the gizmo in question, but it was nothing more than a couple of diodes and LEDs inserted in an ordinary telephone Y jack. It was marketed as an answering machine stopper. I'm not sure if it worked with extensions plugged into other jacks, but it definitely did dump a call in progress on the device plugged into the "ANS" jack if the "TEL" jack device went off-hook. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 07:57:31 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs I came across the following AP story. To paraphrase the scene between Luke Skywalker and Hans Solo: This is dumber than I can possibly imagine. And I can imagine pretty high levels of dumbness District wants to block pay phone calls to avoid bomb threats WEST DEPTFORD, N.J. (AP) - School officials in West Deptford may try to block incoming calls from pay telephones in an attempt to head off bomb threats in the future. The Board of Education wants to purchase telecommunications software that would block any calls made from pay phones to the district. Members voted Monday night to include the $14,360 needed for the software in its budget [snip] But critics claim that blocking such phone calls won't stop the threats - and could potentially prevent a call from someone who has planted a bomb and wants to warn officials. rest of story at: http://www.newsday.com/ap/regional/ap657.htm (that url will soon die. if you'd like a copy after that please send a note to: mailto: dumbidiots@dburstein.com ) - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 07:58:14 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In article <98m905$9g1$1@news.tht.net>, Mark Brader wrote: > Peter Dubuque writes: > > Once I was trying to have a nice meal at a fancy restaurant with > > some friends only to be interrupted four times by the shrill sound > > of a cell phone going off at the next table. > > I don't accept Peter's position that this was rude. Then you are VERY much in the minority. > It's been a normal part of life since the late 20th century, and I > think he should learn to deal with it as such. (And no, I don't have > a cell phone.) > > There are places where phones should not be ringing, such as theaters. And fancy restaurants. > And unnecessarily loud talking in a public place is rude whether it > involves a phone or not. But restaurants? Come on. McDonalds, no. But a restaurant with linen tablecloths and real silver, yes, definitely. > This jammer concept needs to be killed, *very* dead. I agree, but only because of the spillover to areas outside the intended jamming zone. For instance, I should not have my incoming cellular calls jammed while I am in the office next door to the movie theater, or walking by on the sidewalk outside. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:16:17 -0500 From: Justa Lurker Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) informed us: | I came across the following AP story. ... | But critics claim that blocking such phone calls | won't stop the threats - and could potentially | prevent a call from someone who has planted a | bomb and wants to warn officials. I suppose they are looking at a high level of false alarms and hoping that a real bomber who might bother to actually call in a warning would use a non-payphone. Why would someone who placed a bomb make a "threat"? If they really don't want to hurt people they would either set it off when the building is unoccupied or not place a bomb at all. Calling in a threat only gives a lead to the authorities, if they are a real bomber. I suppose that these 'threatning' people will have to call other numbers. Call a parent or a gas station. Someone who may not be trained in taking bomb threats. Personally, I'd rather have trained school officials taking the calls. When I was in High School the level of bomb threats got bad enough that the staff started punishing the entire student body for the threats. Never did find a bomb. JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 08:48:13 -0500 From: Subject: Re: Smile, You're On Scan Camera David Clayton wrote: > Monty Solomon contributed the following: >>Smile, You're On Scan Camera >> > And with the available technology now able to scan you from a fair > distance, you won't even know it has happened most of the time. > Listening to some of the biometrics vendors, the recognition accuracy > rate is pretty high now and getting better as the technology matures. And vendors would never exagerate the capabilities of their systems. > As well, with Iris scanning now being done at ranges > 4 metres it won't > be long until your identity is recorded with virtually 100% accuracy by > almost anyone who wants to do it. I saw a report on this on the CBS Evening news a week or two ago. They had one of their reporters walk by a camera and the scan system did pick him out, but only if there were no other people in the picture. When he walked by with one or two other people it did not identify him. I think the biometrics people are pretty good at avoiding false positives, but the price is a lot of false negatives. They will get better, I'm sure, so it's worth keeping in mind. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 09:02:39 -0500 From: Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. Justa Lurker wrote: > I suppose they are looking at a high level of false > alarms and hoping that a real bomber who might bother > to actually call in a warning would use a non-payphone. I know that some schools have used caller-id to trace down the source of bomb threat calls. They probably think this will prevent bomb threats from "unknown" sources. > Why would someone who placed a bomb make a "threat"? It does happen, though usually after the fact with real bombers who want the credit. > I suppose that these 'threatning' people will have to > call other numbers. Call a parent or a gas station. Or even just 911. If the intent is to disrupt the school day, then a quick payphone call to 911 saying something about a bomb in some school would do that nicely I would think. For that nice old-fashioned touch, a regular old letter to the principal would work. > When I was in High School the level of bomb threats > got bad enough that the staff started punishing the > entire student body for the threats. Never did find > a bomb. When I was in high school around 1970-71, there was a rash of bomb threats in my school in New Jersey. A student was eventually caught making one of those calls from a payphone in the hallway of the school itself. Like your experience, no bombs were ever found. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 13:47:32 -0500 From: Brady Palmquist Subject: stolen cellphone security Recently, I had a cell phone stolen...a CDMA dual-mode phone for Verizon. I got to wondering if the person who stole the phone would even be able to use it. Sounds like according to a few folks, the answer is yes. As long as they aren't foolish enough to try to activate it on my old system (where it's flagged as stolen), it could be activated on some other carrier's system. I thought maybe the carriers coordinated a database of stolen phones. I think I was wrong. Of course they could use the battery I suppose. They are practically worth more than the phone. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 14:24:02 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs In article <98q248$e8n$1@panix6.panix.com>, danny burstein wrote: > But critics claim that blocking [all phone calls to the school > district from payphones] won't stop the [bomb] threats - and could > potentially prevent a call from someone who has planted a bomb and > wants to warn officials. Not to mention all the more mundane reasons someone might need to call the school district from a payphone. "I have a meeting with Ms. Smith at 4:15; could you tell her I'm running a little late?" "I can't seem to find your office building. Could you give me directions from First and Main?" "Mom, soccer practice ended early. Could you come pick me up?" Saying that all calls from payphones are bomb threats is, I should think, even better than saying that only drug dealers would ever need to use touch-tones from a payphone. On the other hand, if they aren't saying that all payphone calls are bomb threats, then they're being even more transcendently stupid. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 15:48:17 -0500 From: "Joseph Elichaa" Subject: Telephone parts If anybody is looking for replacement part for refurbishing business phones, I carry button caps, dial pads and handsets for various manufactures. I can be reached toll free at (866)789-5656 or (207)878-2321 Thanks Joe Elichaa - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:25:55 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. On 15 Mar 2001 09:02:39 -0500 ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu wrote: > Justa Lurker wrote: > > > I suppose they are looking at a high level of false > > alarms and hoping that a real bomber who might bother > > to actually call in a warning would use a non-payphone. > > I know that some schools have used caller-id to trace > down the source of bomb threat calls. They probably > think this will prevent bomb threats from "unknown" > sources. > > > Why would someone who placed a bomb make a "threat"? > > It does happen, though usually after the fact with > real bombers who want the credit. > > > I suppose that these 'threatning' people will have to > > call other numbers. Call a parent or a gas station. > > Or even just 911. If the intent is to disrupt the > school day, then a quick payphone call to 911 saying > something about a bomb in some school would do that > nicely I would think. For that nice old-fashioned > touch, a regular old letter to the principal would > work. 911 has its own database which displays the number and location of the calling telephone. If you'll look in the information pages of your telephone directory, you'll note that you're warned blocking caller ID will have no effect on calls to 911 and if you want to call anonymously you have to call a listed number. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 17:37:40 -0500 From: stevenl11@aol.com (Steven Lichter) Subject: Re: stolen cellphone security << Recently, I had a cell phone stolen...a CDMA dual-mode phone for Verizon. I got to wondering if the person who stole the phone would even be able to use it. Sounds like according to a few folks, the answer is yes. As long as they aren't foolish enough to try to activate it on my old system (where it's flagged as stolen), it could be activated on some other carrier's system. I thought maybe the carriers coordinated a database of stolen phones. I think I was wrong. Of course they could use the battery I suppose. They are practically worth more than the phone. >> No, they cannot. The phone ID goes into an International data base that all the companies have access to. But if they manage to change the id I would guess they could. But why bother, it is cheaper to just buy a new phone. What they did was either use the hell out of it before it got turned off which is what happened to mine some years ago. They called all over the country for about an hour or so before it got shut off. I had; at least at that time, international dialing blocked. Apple Elite II 909-359-5338. Home of GBBS/LLUCE, support for the Apple II 24 hours 2400/14.4. An OggNet Server. The only good spammer is a dead one, have you hunted one down today? (c) http://members.ebay.aol.com/aboutme/appleii-guy/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:02:00 -0500 From: Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. Wes Leatherock wrote: > On 15 Mar 2001 09:02:39 -0500 ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu wrote: >> >> Or even just 911. If the intent is to disrupt the >> school day, then a quick payphone call to 911 saying >> something about a bomb in some school would do that >> nicely I would think. For that nice old-fashioned >> touch, a regular old letter to the principal would >> work. > 911 has its own database which displays the number > and location of the calling telephone. If you'll look > in the information pages of your telephone directory, > you'll note that you're warned blocking caller ID will > have no effect on calls to 911 and if you want to call > anonymously you have to call a listed number. I was assuming the call would come from a payphone. That's where this thread got started, with schools wanting to block incoming calls from a payphone. A quick prepared statement saying there is a bomb at XYZ school set to go off at 10 AM (or whenever) followed by a quick hangup. The caller would obviously not hang around the payphone for the cops to show up. - -- ***************************************************************************** * Bill Ranck +1-540-231-3951 ranck@vt.edu * * Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center * ***************************************************************************** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:14:41 -0500 From: Robert Eden Subject: Re: A Faster Way to Call 911 "Barry Margolin" wrote in message news:IBMr6.42$3q1.15143@burlma1-snr2... > But we're not talking about something that goes off by itself, we're > talking about a panic button that the user wears. It generates an > automated message, but it's not automated like a car alarm. Let's say it get's set off when the user takes it off to go into the pool. It's vibrating, but no one knows except the towel. > And it has a microphone, so after the automated message it relays all the ambient sounds > around the user. Splashing... hmmm a drowning in progress? > The only real difference between it and a 911 phone call is that it's easier to trigger That's the problem.. it's *TOO* easy to trigger. Robert - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:20:47 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Cell Phone as Marketing Tool: Will Consumers Answer the Call? Marketing The Cell Phone as Marketing Tool: Will Consumers Answer the Call? Can cell phone advertising have a measurable impact on consumer behavior? And are consumers willing to pay for the service? According to SkyGo, a California-based wireless advertising firm, the answers are yes and maybe. What will help, SkyGo's sales director told a recent Wharton Emerging Technologies conference, is giving consumers control over which ads they view and when they view them. http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/articles.cfm?catid=4&articleid=326 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:25:33 -0500 From: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net (Thomas A. Horsley) Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. that's right. the threats. not the bombs >District wants to block pay phone calls to avoid bomb threats You know, they could save $14,360 and just change the school policy to one of always ignoring all bomb threats, and it would be just as intelligent :-). - -- >>==>> The *Best* political site >>==+ email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL | Free Software and Politics <<==+ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 18:28:52 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Up for Sale: How Best to Protect Privacy on the Internet Public Policy and Management Up for Sale: How Best to Protect Privacy on the Internet By reading this article, you are providing large amounts of personal information to companies that are free to sell it, share it or use it to make decisions that affect your well-being. How can policy makers protect consumers from privacy violations and still allow companies to benefit from the information age? Join the debate over legislation vs. self-regulation. http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/articles.cfm?catid=9&articleid=325 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 20:40:39 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: School banning bomb threats. > Wes Leatherock wrote: > > On 15 Mar 2001 09:02:39 -0500 ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu wrote: > >> > >> Or even just 911. If the intent is to disrupt the > >> school day, then a quick payphone call to 911 saying > >> something about a bomb in some school would do that > >> nicely I would think. For that nice old-fashioned > >> touch, a regular old letter to the principal would > >> work. > > > 911 has its own database which displays the number > > and location of the calling telephone. If you'll look > > in the information pages of your telephone directory, > > you'll note that you're warned blocking caller ID will > > have no effect on calls to 911 and if you want to call > > anonymously you have to call a listed number. > > I was assuming the call would come from a payphone. > That's where this thread got started, with schools > wanting to block incoming calls from a payphone. > A quick prepared statement saying there is a bomb > at XYZ school set to go off at 10 AM (or whenever) > followed by a quick hangup. The caller would obviously > not hang around the payphone for the cops to show up. A surprising number of such calls seem to be made from payphones where the caller can stay close enough to see the resulting panic and response. The database for 911 has to show what jurisdiction every phone, including payphone, is located in, that is, what police jurisdiction, what fire department, what ambulance service and so on. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:20:48 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AOL Adds Digital City, Moviefone to Voice Portal AOL Adds Digital City, Moviefone to Voice Portal AOL Time Warner says it has added its online guide Digital City and Moviefone brands to its AOLbyPhone service that lets users access AOL features by phone. http://www.washtech.com/news/media/8298-1.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:40:33 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: U.S. Congress Set To Tackle Spammers U.S. Congress Set To Tackle Spammers To unclog e-mail boxes and free up bandwidth for small Internet service providers (ISPs) and Web users, U.S. lawmakers are pushing bills through Congress to target unsolicited e-mail and set criminal penalties for spammers who use false e-mail addresses. http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/8223.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:42:05 -0500 From: Martin Cohen Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers danny burstein wrote: > ............ > [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] For greater security, I use quadruple rot-13! - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 21:58:56 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Canada Pushes Sweeping Net Child Porn Law Canada Pushes Sweeping Net Child Porn Law The Canadian government proposes to make it a crime to knowingly view child pornography on the Internet. The government proposed legislation Wednesday that would make it illegal to view child pornography on a computer screen, punishable by up to five years in prison. http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/8204.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:12:17 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: S.D. men face felony counts, a rarity, in e-mail 'spamming' S.D. men face felony counts, a rarity, in e-mail 'spamming' In the never-ending war on junk e-mail, two San Diego County men accused of "spamming" are the first to face felony criminal charges in California. http://www.uniontrib.com/news/computing/20010313-9999_1n13spam.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:16:40 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: TCP weakness may be worse than suspected TCP weakness may be worse than suspected Two days after a security vendor announced it had found a new vulnerability in TCP, only to be lambasted for passing an old problem off as news, the researcher who identified the weakness defended his work and the decision to announce it. Tim Newsham, senior research scientist at Guardent Inc., said that although the vulnerability he found in the Transmission Control Protocol is quite similar to one identified in 1985 by another researcher, it differs in several important ways. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2696792,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:26:55 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks Thousands of confidential messages between the CEO of an Internet company and top executives have been posted on the Web, stirring up a hornet's nest of corporate intrigue and providing a rare glimpse into a dot-com as it struggled to cope with a brutal shakeout. Last week, hundreds of pages of the ICQ instant messaging logs were posted on the Web and copied onto various sites, creating the kind of information security breach that has become one of the worst corporate nightmares of the digital age. The logs, which were apparently snatched from a PC used by Sam Jain, CEO of eFront, have nearly paralyzed his company and created a personal nightmare for Jain. http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5079593,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:32:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Universal Cell Phone The Universal Cell Phone Technology Review, April 2001 Mobile phones work only in some areas, and they become obsolete rapidly, as new features are developed. Flexible software in phones and wireless networks could change all that. The great wireless revolution, which took off with the spectacular spread of cell phones in the 1990s, and which is supposed to bring broadband Internet to the gadget in your pocket, is in trouble. http://www.techreview.com/magazine/apr01/shapley.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:34:45 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Red-Hot Kiwi Cyber Law Debate Red-Hot Kiwi Cyber Law Debate A proposed amendment to New Zealand's Crimes Act would allow the interception of electronic communications, and that isn't exactly going over well with those it would affect -- which is just about everybody. Kim Griggs reports from Wellington. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42449,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:35:25 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: This Link Wasn't Better Business This Link Wasn't Better Business A website resource for small businesses includes a link to the Better Business Bureau. Said bureau wasn't asked, doesn't like, and therefore is demanding said link be removed. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42441,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 22:45:35 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Smart Time for Smartphones? Smart Time for Smartphones? Devices that include the dual functions of personal digital assistants and cell phones are apparently the next wireless craze, but even the industry admits these new toys won't replace cell phones and handheld devices anytime soon. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42266,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 15 Mar 2001 23:36:39 -0500 From: stands2pee@my-Deja.com (Fair Dinkum) Subject: Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs On 14 Mar 2001 19:35:27 -0500, John McHarry wrote: >On 14 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > >> >>Sneaky E-Mail Senders >>Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs >> >>Web site operators have long agonized over how to entice casual >>visitors to fork over their name and e-mail address. >> >>But a maverick band of dot-coms has come up with a controversial >>tactic: Surreptitiously asking your computer to hand over the data. >> >>http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/12/BU205317.DTL > > >I suggested on another Newsgroup that some of us might like to add >their addresses to our .sigs, and was gifted with the following. (I >hope this works. It is my first attempt at a .sig with this news >client.) >people who might like some spam: >70732.56@compuserve.com albert@silhouettes-inc.com info@atlantistech.com The Siemens webwasher software is free to individual users and does a marvelous job of preventing scripts and other privacy invading shenanigans. http://www.webwasher.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:12:12 -0500 From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In article , Steve Sobol wrote: >From 'stevek@shell3.shore.net': > >>I think it's horribly rude. It stops conversations at all the >>tables around the ringer. It's like saying "Look at me! >>Look at me!" It's noise pollution. And considering it's so >>easily avoidable -- ie by turning on vibrate and off the ringer -- >>to not do so is, well, rude. > >It's easy for many people. > >For my friend with his Qualcomm QCP860, which doesn't vibrate, it's hard to >put the phone into vibrate mode. My stupid neighbor who "works" on his Boom Box Van during my daughter's naptime says he can't work on it more quietly. I'm not impressed with his excuse. You shouldn't be impressed with your friend's excuse either. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #37 ******************************* Date: 16 Mar 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #38 Telecom Digest Friday, March 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 038 In this issue: Re: Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Mar 2001 00:17:47 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks >From 'Monty Solomon': >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5079593,00.html "I'm tired of it; I just want to go on with my company," Jain said. "People out there are stalking me, threatening me with death threats...scanning my cell phone frequency." This is only a problem in analog. Digital cell calls are supposed to be encrypted. Analog can be picked up by a standard radio scanner. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 03:20:21 -0500 From: dannyb@panix.com (danny burstein) Subject: Re: Canada to consider licensing cell phone jammers In <3AB04D95.91189461@mediaone.net> Martin Cohen writes: >danny burstein wrote: >> >............ >> [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] >For greater security, I use quadruple rot-13! alas, USA'n export restrictions and all that... - -- _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 03:21:23 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Steve Sobol quoted from a story in Wired: "Later, Michael Pashby, president of the Magazine Publishers Association, told the crowd that publishers were careful to protect privacy. But he passed when activist Evan Hendricks suggested consumers ought to be able to opt out of marketing lists by just marking a check box on subscription forms. "Any time you give people an option, response declines," Pashby said." I suspect he means that adding this option would lead some people to not subscribe at all. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #38 ******************************* Date: 17 Mar 2001 06:15:12 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #39 Telecom Digest Saturday, March 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 039 In this issue: Re: When two gadgets become one AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Re: stolen cellphone security Re: Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Website operators must identify maker of defamatory comments Re: stolen cellphone security 3/16/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs Senate Includes Data Privacy Clause In Bankruptcy Bill Group Charges Government Agencies Trade Personal Data ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 16 Mar 2001 09:44:32 -0500 From: tbetz@panix.com (Tom Betz) Subject: Re: When two gadgets become one Quoth John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov in <002CC538.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov>: |On 7 Mar 2001 23:03:04 -0500, Monty Solomon |innocently posted a story, writen by Simson Garfinkel of Salon, with a |great degree of hype and a disregard for the facts: | |> |>When two gadgets become one |> |>Handspring's VisorPhone is the first cool combination of cellphone |>and personal digital assistant. | |What of the Qualcomm pdqSmartphone? |http://www.qualcomm.com/cda/pr/view/0,1565,28,00.html | Too big and clunky to be cool. Though the new Kyocera version is pretty cool: - -- |I always wanted to be someone,| Tom Betz, Generalist | |but now I think I should have | Want to send me email? FIRST, READ THIS PAGE: | |been a wee bit more specific. | | | "Fuck NANAE." -- Paul Vixie | YO! MY EMAIL ADDRESS IS HEAVILY SPAM-ARMORED! | - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 14:41:43 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Convinced that distracted drivers yakking on their cell phones are the cause of most traffic accidents? Hold the phone. A new study finds that rubbernecking, yelling at your kids or gobbling an Egg McMuffin behind the wheel are more likely causes of collisions than a chat on your wireless. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/16/MN120780.DTL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 14:57:52 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy >From 'Ed Ellers': >"Any time you give people an option, response declines," Pashby said." > >I suspect he means that adding this option would lead some people to not >subscribe at all. Of course that's what he means. What I meant was "Michael Pashby should quit whining about response rates and understand that SOME PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO TALK TO HIM." A fundamental problem with many marketoids is that they DO NOT understand this. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:06:56 -0500 From: Mickey Ferguson Subject: Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Steve Sobol wrote in message news:... > From 'Ed Ellers': > > >"Any time you give people an option, response declines," Pashby said. > >I suspect he means that adding this option would lead some people to not > >subscribe at all. > Of course that's what he means. What I meant was "Michael Pashby should > quit whining about response rates and understand that SOME PEOPLE DON'T > WANT TO TALK TO HIM." > A fundamental problem with many marketoids is that they DO NOT understand > this. But the key point is not that these marketoids don't understand, but that they DO NOT CARE that we don't want to talk to them (or even receive their spam). They think that their "right" to force their spam on you supercedes everything else. Pashby's quote is exactly the point - he doesn't want people to choose not to receive his spam (resulting in fewer responses), so he doesn't give them a choice. The more spam he sends out, the more likelihood of making a sale. The end justifies the means to these people. We had the term 'telesleaze', now we should probably have 'e-sleaze' (if we don't already). (And if that's a new term, consider this notification of my copyrighting it!) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:09:50 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: stolen cellphone security On 15 Mar 2001 13:47:32 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (Brady Palmquist ) wrote: > >Recently, I had a cell phone stolen...a CDMA dual-mode phone >for Verizon. > >I got to wondering if the person who stole the phone would even >be able to use it. Sounds like according to a few folks, the answer >is yes. As long as they aren't foolish enough to try to activate it >on my old system (where it's flagged as stolen), it could be >activated on some other carrier's system. > In a recent case here in Ohio, the police and the victim of the cell phone theft decided to try to lure the thief. The victim dialed the number for the cell phone, and when the thief answered, he offered the thief a reward if he would return the cell phone. The thief agreed and was caught when he took the cell phone to the agreed upon location. I doubt if many crooks would be dumb enough to fall for that trick. But it worked that time. - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:09:52 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks This is where using the good old telephone would have been a better idea. Sure, it is possible for crooks to tap phone lines, but I think the chances of widely publishing the conversations are less likely than would be the case where the text is already nicely transcribed for them. I wonder how much safer live conversation over the phone really is. And have phone companies used that idea in their sales pitches. On 15 Mar 2001 22:26:55 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (Monty Solomon ) wrote: > >Company crippled over alleged ICQ leaks > >Thousands of confidential messages between the CEO of an Internet >company and top executives have been posted on the Web, stirring up a >hornet's nest of corporate intrigue and providing a rare glimpse into >a dot-com as it struggled to cope with a brutal shakeout. > >Last week, hundreds of pages of the ICQ instant messaging logs were >posted on the Web and copied onto various sites, creating the kind of >information security breach that has become one of the worst >corporate nightmares of the digital age. The logs, which were >apparently snatched from a PC used by Sam Jain, CEO of eFront, have >nearly paralyzed his company and created a personal nightmare for >Jain. > >http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5079593,00.html - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:24:21 -0500 From: Justa Lurker Subject: Re: All That Data, All That Secrecy Mickey Ferguson wrote: > We had the term 'telesleaze', now we should probably have > 'e-sleaze' (if we don't already). (And if that's a new > term, consider this notification of my copyrighting it!) It was used as a fake auction site last June in the following: http://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~bennyp/presentation/tsld015.htm Someone has also registered esleaze.com for the purpose of porn. For the purpose of marketing I suppose it could still be yours. :-) JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 17:35:03 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Website operators must identify maker of defamatory comments Website operators must identify maker of defamatory comments QUEEN'S BENCH DIVISION Totalise plc v Motley Fool Ltd and Another Before Mr Justice Robert Owen Judgment February 19, 2001 An internet service provider was able to obtain an order requiring website operators to disclose the identity of the source of defamatory material posted by an anonymous contributor to their discussion boards. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,12-99112,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 20:35:48 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: stolen cellphone security "Gail M. Hall" wrote: > In a recent case here in Ohio, the police and the victim of the cell phone > theft decided to try to lure the thief. The victim dialed the number for > the cell phone, and when the thief answered, he offered the thief a reward > if he would return the cell phone. The thief agreed and was caught when he > took the cell phone to the agreed upon location. > > I doubt if many crooks would be dumb enough to fall for that trick. But it > worked that time. Unless the thief was seen making off with the phone, this would only prove posession of stolen property -- and even that charge probably wouldn't stick if the thief claims he had just found the phone in some public place. And if the victim promised a specific reward amount, chances are he will legally have to pay it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 16 Mar 2001 23:35:29 -0500 From: ledogge@yahoo.com (Kasper) Subject: Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs On 14 Mar 2001 13:45:14 -0500, Monty Solomon wrote: > >Sneaky E-Mail Senders >Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs > >Web site operators have long agonized over how to entice casual >visitors to fork over their name and e-mail address. > >But a maverick band of dot-coms has come up with a controversial >tactic: Surreptitiously asking your computer to hand over the data. > >http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/03/12/BU205317.DTL If a person does NOT have their name and e-mail address in their browser and uses a stand-alone e-mail program, wouldn't this defeat this kind of thing? Kasper - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 2001 01:36:31 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Senate Includes Data Privacy Clause In Bankruptcy Bill Senate Includes Data Privacy Clause In Bankruptcy Bill The Senate Thursday voted 83-15 in favor of a bankruptcy code reform bill that includes language that would in many cases bar companies in bankruptcy proceedings from selling lists of customers' personal data to other companies, if the firm going out of business had promised not to share that data in the first place. http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/163261.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 2001 01:48:16 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Group Charges Government Agencies Trade Personal Data Group Charges Government Agencies Trade Personal Data With some federal government agencies already burned in the last year by revelations that they plant cookies on Internet users' computers, a new report from a privacy public-policy group claims government agencies routinely trade personal user information. Privacilla.org, an online think-tank, in a report released today said that "new government information-sharing programs have been announced more than once every two weeks." http://www.newsbytes.com/news/01/163042.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #39 ******************************* Date: 18 Mar 2001 06:15:09 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #40 Telecom Digest Sunday, March 18 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 040 In this issue: Who are the enemies of the Internet? Re: When two gadgets become one pre-paid calling cards in Canada ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 17 Mar 2001 12:36:20 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Who are the enemies of the Internet? Who are the enemies of the Internet? With nothing more than a computer and an Internet connection, a single person, in their living room or in a cybercafé, can tell the whole world what they think. All they need to do is set up a web site, take part in a newsgroup or send e-mail messages. This person can even freely denounce human rights violations or repression in their country, no matter how authoritarian and closed it is. A Libyan, Vietnamese or Gabonese exile can now publish news destined for their fellow countrymen, getting around all the traditional systems of surveillance. From Chile to Algeria, a censored newspaper can publish its articles on servers in the United States, France or Scandinavia, in a matter of minutes. The Internet has radically changed the traditional balance of power between governments and those who produce information. Since anyone can now distribute information to a vast audience, what is the role of journalists? Is an e-mail message sent to a thousand people private correspondence, or is it now a media? What laws should apply to virtual publications that are, by their very nature, global and borderless? Governments, overwhelmed by these complex issues, are on the defensive. They all want the Internet, but dream of a network under their control. http://www.rsf.fr/uk/homennemis.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 2001 13:43:42 -0500 From: djb0x7745521c@scream.org (Dan Birchall) Subject: Re: When two gadgets become one Tom Betz wrote: > Quoth John_Bartley@orb.uscourts.gov in <002CC538.C21084@orb.uscourts.gov>: > |On 7 Mar 2001 23:03:04 -0500, Monty Solomon > |>When two gadgets become one > |>Handspring's VisorPhone is the first cool combination of cellphone > |>and personal digital assistant. > |What of the Qualcomm pdqSmartphone? > |http://www.qualcomm.com/cda/pr/view/0,1565,28,00.html > > Too big and clunky to be cool. > > Though the new Kyocera version is pretty cool: > > Also at kyocera.com of course. :) I'm still holding out for one that plays MP3's as well. - -Dan - -- Dan Birchall - Palolo Valley - Honolulu HI - http://dan.scream.org/ My addresses expire... take out the hex stamp if your reply bounces - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 17 Mar 2001 17:13:45 -0500 From: Nigel Allen Subject: pre-paid calling cards in Canada At least in the Toronto area, prepaid long distance cards (the kind sold at most convenience stores) are often significantly cheaper than calls placed through a billed calling card. Outside the Toronto local calling area, a surcharge for toll-free access makes the pre-paid cards less attractive, but still often a better deal. Cards sold in the Montreal and Vancouver areas often have a local number than can be dialled to avoid the surcharge for calling in on a toll-free line. Prepaid calling cards sometimes have hidden charges. See http://abtolls.com/information/avoidprepaidscams.html at the A Bell Tolls web site for things to watch out for. - -- Nigel Allen ndallen@interlog.com http://www.interlog.com/~ndallen/telecom.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #40 ******************************* Date: 19 Mar 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #41 Telecom Digest Monday, March 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 041 In this issue: FCC Suspends Deadline on AT&T Cable Sale Web anonymity service cuts staff One Man's Fight to Wire Africa Security Fears For Peers Want Info? Feds Happy to Share A Camera That's Down in the Dump When Your Mole Betrays You Inter-Tel question Looking for Bizfon Dealers Re: Inter-Tel question Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Re: Inter-Tel question ANI Readback number Where can I find a pre-phone system upgrad user survey? Re: Inter-Tel question extension off-hook indicators ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:05:53 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FCC Suspends Deadline on AT&T Cable Sale FCC Suspends Deadline on AT&T Cable Sale WASHINGTON (Reuters) - AT&T Corp. (T.N) won a reprieve late on Friday and will not have to sell cable assets by May 19 in the wake of a court decision that threw out federal limits on how much of the cable market one company can serve. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/Technology/article.asp?docid=RTTECH-ATT-FCC-DC&date=20010316 FCC Suspends AT&T Deadlines WASHINGTON (AP) - The government suspended indefinitely the deadline by which AT&T must shed some of its cable holdings to allow federal officials to review the impact of a recent court decision. http://news.lycos.com/headlines/Politics/article.asp?docid=APV6611&date=20010316 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:11:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Web anonymity service cuts staff Web anonymity service cuts staff Privacy technology developer Zero-Knowledge Systems said Thursday it has laid off about a quarter of its staff despite recently raising $22 million in funding. Montreal-based Zero-Knowledge has developed software, dubbed Freedom, which lets people conceal their identities online. Freedom allows consumers and businesses to shop, chat, send e-mail and surf the Web while covering their tracks so that Web sites, Internet service providers and law enforcement officials cannot monitor or review their activities. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-5151955.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:12:46 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: One Man's Fight to Wire Africa One Man's Fight to Wire Africa NAIROBI, Kenya -- There is one basic rule religiously observed by most tech entrepreneurs in Africa: Never stick your tongue out at the political establishment. Not if you expect to succeed, anyway. But don't tell that to Strive Masiyiwa, the founder and CEO of South Africa's Econet Wireless. Masiyiwa has been successfully sticking his tongue out for years. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,41407,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:20:49 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Security Fears For Peers Security Fears For Peers AUSTIN, Texas -- With Napster leading the charge, peer-to-peer technology is all the rage. But obstacles must be overcome before file sharing becomes a truly viable business model. Security is a major concern. The way that people are using their computers -- and their computers are being used by other people -- is rapidly changing, opening up a host of security problems that could cause new users to shy away from the emerging peer-to-peer technology. http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,42438,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:57:37 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Want Info? Feds Happy to Share Want Info? Feds Happy to Share The government should examine its own privacy practices before pointing a finger at the commercial sector, a report published Monday said. "The Federal government is the largest collector and user of citizens' personal and private information," said Jim Harper, operator of Privacilla.org. "It's hard enough to control your personal information in the commercial world -- it's impossible to protect it in the governmental world." http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42387,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 09:59:34 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: A Camera That's Down in the Dump A Camera That's Down in the Dump SYDNEY, Australia -- Caution: That crumpled beer can may be watching you. Fed up with seeing its undeveloped urban fringe land used as a rubbish receptacle, one local city council is installing hidden cameras in bits of waste to catch illegal dumpers. Using motion-sensitive, swiveling, infrared cameras --- some small enough to be hidden in beer cans -- the council hopes to catch dumpers in the act, or at least get their license plate numbers. The wireless cameras transmit photos back to storage databases over the local GSM mobile phone network. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42355,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:00:14 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: When Your Mole Betrays You When Your Mole Betrays You Computers weren't readily available in 1949 when George Orwell wrote his futuristic satire 1984, but the word "computer" could easily substitute for "television" in the following passage: "With the development of television, and the technical advance which made it possible to receive and transmit simultaneously on the same instrument, private life came to an end. Every citizen, or at least every citizen important enough to be worth watching, could be kept for twenty four hours a day under the eyes of the police...." One of the technologies that has raised fears of Orwellian surveillance is face scanning, which can be used to identify people without their knowledge or permission. Yes, Big Brother is watching your face. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42353,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 10:07:02 -0500 From: Karl Shoemaker Subject: Inter-Tel question I'm new to the group (just tonight). Hopfully this is the right place. At work we block our ID on the outgoing LS lines. Some parties don't accept blocked calls (as we all know) Those lines are toll restricted (so are the stations). I programmed my PBX to allow stations (keyset) users to enter the *82 before the "9" (we are on Centrex), but for the life of me can't remember where! I checked over ALD obsorbed digits, etc on the data-base to no luck. It does'nt provide for digit translation and the "*" (star) is not a 'valid' digit according to the data-base program. BTW the switch is a 152D (formally GX). Already contacted the factory, they don't know !! Nether do my co-workers. Anyone work on this brand? thanks, Karl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 20:30:29 -0500 From: "RR news" Subject: Looking for Bizfon Dealers Would like to create a newsgroup of Bizfon Dealers. Any interest? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:02:02 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Inter-Tel question On 18 Mar 2001 10:07:02 -0500, Karl Shoemaker wrote: > I'm new to the group (just tonight). Hopfully this is the right place. I suspect you'll have better luck in .tech; followups set. > At work we block our ID on the outgoing LS lines. Some parties don't > accept blocked calls (as we all know) Those lines are toll restricted > (so are the stations). You actually have "per-line blocking" set in the CO's class-of-service data for those lines? > I programmed my PBX to allow stations (keyset) users to enter the > *82 before the "9" (we are on Centrex), but for the life of me can't > remember where! I checked over ALD obsorbed digits, etc on the > data-base to no luck. It does'nt provide for digit translation and the > "*" (star) is not a 'valid' digit according to the data-base program. > BTW the switch is a 152D (formally GX). Already contacted the factory, > they don't know !! Nether do my co-workers. Hate when that happens. I really don't know whether you'd want that before or after the dial-9 on a centrex line; I suspect it might depend on the switch and the generic... Why do you need to find it? Trying to turn it back off? Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:32:14 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Sneaky E-Mail Senders / Software lets Web sites get name, address off PCs In article <3ab2e8ca.35622441@news.mindspring.com>, Kasper wrote: > If a person does NOT have their name and e-mail address in their > browser and uses a stand-alone e-mail program, wouldn't this defeat > this kind of thing? Yes, and that is just one of the MANY, MANY reasons that it is a VERY BAD IDEA to use an e-mail program that is integrated with your web browser. Integrated programs are also MUCH more vulnerable to virus attacks. Anybody who surreptitiously grabs my e-mail address from my browser will only find out that they've been visited by -- except that they probably won't even get that far, since the covert e-mail message will never make it out of my fabulous non-existent SMTP server at 127.0.0.1 - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:33:28 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website http://www.politechbot.com/p-01814.html Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:48:52 -0800 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website If the below message is accurate, it's part of a disturbing trend that I've been chronicling for a while. The Better Business Bureau appears to be acting like a bully, and not a particularly bright one at that. Everyone from news organizations to search engines relies on unapproved linking to inform their audience and stay in business. Critics use links to identify companies or groups that should be the target of boycotts. Companies link to competitors, customers, and suppliers. Trying to claim copyright in your URL shows not just a lack of legal clue, but an absence of Net-savvy. The U.S. Copyright Office says (37 C.F.R. 202.1) works "not subject to copyright" include "words and short phrases such as names, titles, and slogans." (http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/cfr-retrieve.html#page1) Presumably that would apply to URLs as well. For background: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01589.html (news sites try to charge for links) http://www.politechbot.com/p-01185.html (journalists and linking) http://www.politechbot.com/p-01667.html (decss and linking) I invite the BBB to clarify its position. - -Declan ********* Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 12:18:17 -0500 To: Declan McCullagh From: Stephen Cobb Subject: FYI: BBB attempts to cut links Declan Thought the following might be of interest. On an unrelated but amusing side-note. I bought cobb.com in December. So I get all email addressed to anything@cobb.com. I am now "enjoying" all sorts of mail addressed to this domain. And I have no way of contacting the people who still think their now "invalid" email addresses at cobb.com are still working. For example, I have no idea who macauthority is/was. Stephen >From: "Meir Liraz" >To: >Subject: The BBB claims links on other sites pointing to its Website are copyrighted >Sender: "Meir Liraz" >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 20:52:49 +0200 > > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE > >Attention: Business and Internet - editors > >------------------------------------- >The Better Business Bureau demand that Websites remove >links pointing to its Website claiming hyperlinks on >other websites that point to BBB site are copyrighted >------------------------------------- > >March 14, 2001: The Better Business Bureau Council adopted a new policy >recently. It started approaching Websites across the Internet that contains >links pointing to its Website, demanding that all links pointing to BBB >Websites be removed. The BBB bases its request on the premise that since >the material on its Website is copyrighted, Websites need BBB permission to >present links pointing to its sites. Currently there are more than 10,000 >Websites on the Internet that contain links pointing to the BBB website. > >BizMove.com is a privately owned business that maintains a Website titled: >"The Small Business Knowledge base" (http://www.bizmove.com). The >BizMove.com website is geared towards small business owners and contains >various guides and resources. One of the pages on the BizMove.com site >contains links pointing to various pages on the BBB site (see: >http://www.bizmove.com/BBB/index.htm). > >Earlier this week the BizMove.com webmaster received an email signed by >Beth Zialcita from the Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc., demanding >that BizMove.com remove all links on its site that point to the BBB >Website. In the e-mail Mrs. Zialcita claims that since the links point to >pages that contains BBB copyrighted material websites need its permission >to present links pointing to BBB site (See below the full text of the BBB >email). > >In a reply to the BBB email, Meir Liraz, President of BizMove.com indicated >his refusal to comply with the BBB request adding that BizMove.com will >continue to present on its Website hyperlinks pointing to BBB sites. > >In regard to the BBB request, Mr. Liraz commented that he is willing to go >to court to protect the right of Websites to present hyperlinks pointing to >other sites without the need for permission to do so from the sites in >question. > >Commenting on the new BBB stand, an Internet industry source said that if >the courts adopt the BBB interpretation of the copyright law it means a >major upset for some of the biggest players in the Internet business arena. >Names like Yahoo, Alta Vista, Excite and Lycos base their whole business >models on presenting searchers with lists of links pointing to various >websites, and they don't ask for permission from firms to present >hyperlinks pointing to their sites. > >The Council of Better Business Bureaus is the umbrella organization for the >Better Business Bureau (BBB) system, which was founded in 1912 and is today >supported by 250,000 local business members nationwide. The BBB is also >supported by more than 300 national corporations and by 132 local Better >Business Bureaus. According to its mission statement the BBB is "Dedicated >to fostering fair and honest relationships between businesses and >consumers, instilling consumer confidence and contributing to an ethical >business environment" > >BizMove.com is a privately owned publishing firm. BizMove.com maintains The >Small Business Knowledge Base Website (http://www.bizmove.com) and is the >publisher of the Managing a Small Business CD-ROM and various additional >information products geared towards entrepreneurs and small business >owners. > >----------------------------------------------------------------- >Here's the text of the Email sent by the BBB to BizMove.com: >------------------------------------------------------------------ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Zialcita, Beth [mailto:bzialcita@cbbb.bbb.org] >Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 4:28 PM > >Subject: BBB links > >To the Webmaster: > >As a member of the Council of Better Business Bureaus' (the Council) Legal >Department, I am writing about your hyperlink to Better Business Bureau web >site located at http://www.bizmove.com/BBB/index.htm. >I must ask that you delete immediately and remove any hyperlinks to our web >site. > >As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not sponsor, endorse >or approve companies. Your hyperlink to www.bbb.org may imply or mislead >consumers into assuming that our organization supports your business or >that there is a business relationship between us. In addition, materials >from our web site is copyrighted, and, therefore, cannot be linked to >without permission from the BBB. Presently, we are only allowing links to >government agencies, educational institution, news media and members of the >BBB. > >I trust the Council can rely upon your immediate removal of the Better >Business Bureau hyperlink to our site from your site. >Please contact me at bzialcita@cbbb.bbb.org if you have any further >questions about this matter. > >Thank you for your cooperation. > >Beth Zialcita >Online Trademark Enforcement Specialist >Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. >------------------------------------------------------- > >Contact Information: > >Beth Zialcita >Online Trademark Enforcement Specialist >Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. >bzialcita@cbbb.bbb.org > >Meir Liraz >President, BizMove.com >meir@bizmove.com >------------------------------- > > # # # - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- POLITECH -- Declan McCullagh's politics and technology mailing list You may redistribute this message freely if it remains intact. To subscribe, visit http://www.politechbot.com/info/subscribe.html This message is archived at http://www.politechbot.com/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:34:03 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Inter-Tel question In article <3AB447E5.FEB7F61@yahoo.com>, Karl Shoemaker wrote: > At work we block our ID on the outgoing LS lines. Some parties don't > accept blocked calls (as we all know) Those lines are toll restricted > (so are the stations). > > I programmed my PBX to allow stations (keyset) users to enter the *82 > before the "9" (we are on Centrex), but for the life of me can't > remember where! I don't know if this will help at all, but you can use 1182 as an equivalent to *82. Perhaps you could trick the toll restriction table into accepting "area code 182" so that users could dial 9-1-182-nxx-xxxx? Of course, it only works with numbers that you would ordinarily dial as straight 7D. BTW, a note regarding terminology. If you're on Centrex, you don't *HAVE* a PBX at all. Centrex is a PBX-like service provided by the telco on its own switch. Since you're on your own PBX that you can program, you're not on Centrex. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 18 Mar 2001 23:47:46 -0500 From: "Earthlink News service" Subject: ANI Readback number The automatic number identifier readback number that I have (SF Bay Area) seems to be busy quite often, so I am searching for a new one. I found the 10-10-732 ... number but an looking for another 800 number that I can use. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 00:09:40 -0500 From: "news.onvoy.com" Subject: Where can I find a pre-phone system upgrad user survey? At my work, we will be buying a new phone system soon. I would like to send out a survey to the users of our current system to find out what features they use, etc... I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a pre-packaged survey anywhere that I could start from? Thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 00:21:16 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Inter-Tel question On 18 Mar 2001 23:34:03 -0500, Linc Madison wrote: > In article <3AB447E5.FEB7F61@yahoo.com>, Karl Shoemaker > wrote: > > > At work we block our ID on the outgoing LS lines. Some parties don't > > accept blocked calls (as we all know) Those lines are toll restricted > > (so are the stations). > > > > I programmed my PBX to allow stations (keyset) users to enter the *82 > > before the "9" (we are on Centrex), but for the life of me can't > > remember where! > > I don't know if this will help at all, but you can use 1182 as an > equivalent to *82. Perhaps you could trick the toll restriction table > into accepting "area code 182" so that users could dial > 9-1-182-nxx-xxxx? Of course, it only works with numbers that you would ^ ^ ^ Bad idea, no, Linc? > ordinarily dial as straight 7D. > > BTW, a note regarding terminology. If you're on Centrex, you don't > *HAVE* a PBX at all. Centrex is a PBX-like service provided by the > telco on its own switch. Since you're on your own PBX that you can > program, you're not on Centrex. No, you can put a PBX behind Centrex; many LEC's seem to sell centrex trunks to business customers, because they're tarriffed cheaper. That they're more annoying is immaterial. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 04:56:54 -0500 From: Russell Senior Subject: extension off-hook indicators I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate the problem. I don't usually read these newsgroups, so a CC on your reply would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. - -- Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible profanity, which, translated meant, `This is extremely unusual.' '' - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #41 ******************************* Date: 20 Mar 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #42 Telecom Digest Tuesday, March 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 042 In this issue: FW: cell guru Re: extension off-hook indicators Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Re: Inter-Tel question Telecom Update (Canada) #275, March 19, 2001 Re: Inter-Tel question Fiber Compendium Re: extension off-hook indicators Re: extension off-hook indicators ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 19 Mar 2001 09:29:11 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: FW: cell guru - -----Original Message----- From: Gary M. Oppenheimer [mailto:GOPPENHEIMER/0002180241@MCIMAIL.COM] Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2001 9:59 PM To: Judith Oppenheimer Subject: cell guru do you know any gurus in cell telephone technology (cell sites in particular) that I can talk to for a few minutes? thanks - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 09:41:11 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators On 19 Mar 2001 04:56:54 -0500, Russell Senior wrote: > I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate > when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is > observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an > alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears > a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is > off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension > and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a > call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. > Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I > couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but > usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an > LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions > back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate > the problem. If the extensions are merely multipled on the incoming line(s), you can't get there from here. If there's a key system in the way, it will depend on how the system works. Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 10:31:09 -0500 From: Jeff Groves Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website On 18 Mar 2001, Monty Solomon wrote: > > > >As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not sponsor, endorse > >or approve companies. Your hyperlink to www.bbb.org may imply or mislead > >consumers into assuming that our organization supports your business or > >that there is a business relationship between us. In addition, materials > >from our web site is copyrighted, and, therefore, cannot be linked to > >without permission from the BBB. Presently, we are only allowing links to > >government agencies, educational institution, news media and members of the > >BBB. > > I can see why they want people to remove their links (the "imply or mislead" sentence above ), but trying to stop it based on copyright is idiotic. Jeff G. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 11:25:51 -0500 From: Karl Shoemaker Subject: Re: Inter-Tel question Linc, You might have hit something. I seem to remember getting into the area code area (no pun intended). Good on the correction of PBX. That's what I get for being in a hurry to get something out. :) Thanks, Karl - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:27:27 -0500 From: John Riddell Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #275, March 19, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 275: March 19, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** Bell Contribution Appeal Denied ** CRTC Clarifies Subsidy Details ** Bird and Telesat Contend for Satellite Licenses ** Telus Video-On-Demand Trial on Hold ** Microcell to Offer Location-Based 9-1-1 ** Price Cap Review Launched ** CRTC Okays SaskTel Cable TV License ** Quebecor Purchase of Videotron Okayed ** BCI Venture Buys Brazil Cellphone Companies ** Zero-Knowledge Raises Funds, Lays Off Staff ** Videotron Wants Winback Rules Changed ** Nortel's Chandran Goes On Leave ** Consumers Win Telebec Appeal ** QuebecTel Denied Residential Rate Hike ** RSL Wants Stay of 2001 Contribution Payments ** Minacs Plans Acquisitions ** Phonetime Expands in Western Canada ** Call Centre Seminar "Should Be Mandatory" ============================================================ BELL CONTRIBUTION APPEAL DENIED: The CRTC has turned down the Bell Canada/Bell Mobility proposal to reduce the "revenue tax" payments for 2001 (see Telecom Update #263). The Commission said the proposal would unfairly benefit Bell and wireless carriers, and would cause large rate increases outside Ontario and Quebec. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-219.htm CRTC CLARIFIES SUBSIDY DETAILS: The CRTC has approved an industry consensus on definitions to be used in implementing the new subsidy regime. It has also ruled on several disputed questions, choosing a broad definition of telecom services but a narrow definition of bundling, and ruling that cellphone subsidies may not be deducted. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-220_e.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-221.htm BIRD AND TELESAT CONTEND FOR SATELLITE LICENSES: Industry Canada has received two bids for satellite licenses in the orbital slot at 118.7 degrees longitude. The bidders are Telesat Canada, which held a satellite monopoly until last year, and Bird Satellite Communications, a new company headed by Richard Stursberg, former CEO of Cancom and VP of Unitel. TELUS VIDEO-ON-DEMAND TRIAL ON HOLD: Telus has delayed plans for a trial of video on demand by 5,000 high-speed Internet customers because its two suppliers, Blockbuster and Enron Broadband, have ended their VOD partnership. (See Telecom Update #242) MICROCELL TO OFFER LOCATION-BASED 9-1-1: By June, Microcell plans to offer enhanced wireless 9-1-1 service, which transmits the caller's phone number and cell site in BC and Alberta (except Edmonton). (See Telecom Update #269) PRICE CAP REVIEW LAUNCHED: Proceedings opened by CRTC Public Notices 2001-37 and 2001-36 will review the current price cap regulation of the ex-Stentor telcos and establish price cap rules for QuebecTel and Telebec. New regulatory regimes for both sets of telcos are to begin in 2002. To participate, notify the Commission by April 23. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Notices/2001/PT2001-37.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Notices/2001/PT2001-36.htm CRTC OKAYS SASKTEL CABLE TV LICENSE: In Decision 2001-171, the CRTC approves SaskTel's application to provide an integrated Internet and broadcast distribution service in Saskatchewan, on condition that SaskTel directors serve for fixed terms to ensure independence from Cabinet interference and that SaskTel not operate a community channel. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Decisions/2001/DB2001-171.htm QUEBECOR PURCHASE OF VIDEOTRON OKAYED: The Competition Bureau says it will not oppose Quebecor's purchase of Groupe Videotron, because Quebecor has committed to selling the TQS television network. BCI VENTURE BUYS BRAZIL CELLPHONE COMPANIES: A Bell Canada International-led joint venture is paying US$580 Million for a majority stake in two Brazilian cellphone companies. The BCI venture will now have 3.5 million subscribers in Brazil. TIW, one of the sellers, will get $153 million. ZERO-KNOWLEDGE RAISES FUNDS, LAYS OFF STAFF: Zero-Knowledge Systems of Montreal has raised US$22 million in financing, but says it will lay off up to one-quarter of its staff in a reorganization. VIDEOTRON WANTS WINBACK RULES CHANGED: Videotron has asked the Commission to end the 90-day prohibition on cableco attempts to win back Internet customers who transfer to an ISP that uses the cableco's facilities. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/Eng/2001/8662/V3-01.htm NORTEL'S CHANDRAN GOES ON LEAVE: Clarence Chandran, Chief Operating Officer of Nortel Networks, is taking a six- to 12-month leave of absence to recover from surgery. During this time, CEO John Roth will assume Chandran's duties. CONSUMERS WIN TELEBEC APPEAL: In Order 2001-216, the CRTC agrees with Quebec consumer groups that last year's Telebec rate restructuring generated excess revenues. The excess will be put in an interest-bearing deferral account and used to mitigate future residential rate increases. However, the consolidation of 32 rate groups into 4 rate bands remains in effect. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-216.htm QUEBECTEL DENIED RESIDENTIAL RATE HIKE: CRTC Orders 2001-217 and 2001-217-1 reject QuebecTel's plan to cut business rates and raise residential rates. The telco may proceed with the business rate reductions alone if it wishes. http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-217.htm http://www.crtc.gc.ca/archive/Orders/2001/O2001-217-1.htm RSL WANTS STAY OF 2001 CONTRIBUTION PAYMENTS: RSL Com says that by March 15 it has already paid the required 4.5% of its total forecast revenue for 2001, so it wants to stop paying for the year. MINACS PLANS ACQUISITIONS: Call-centre outsourcer Minacs Worldwide has retained an investment bank to help in an acquisitions plan that aims to increase Minacs's sales to $500 million a year. 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If expert advice on the subject matter is required, the services of a competent professional should be obtained. ============================================================ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 14:43:59 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Inter-Tel question Karl Shoemaker wrote: > > I'm new to the group (just tonight). Hopfully this is the right place. > > At work we block our ID on the outgoing LS lines. Some parties don't > accept blocked calls (as we all know) Those lines are toll restricted > (so are the stations). > > I programmed my PBX to allow stations (keyset) users to enter the *82 > before the "9" (we are on Centrex), but for the life of me can't > remember where! I checked over ALD > obsorbed digits, etc on the data-base to no luck. It does'nt provide for > digit > translation and the "*" (star) is not a 'valid' digit according to the > data-base program. BTW the switch is a 152D (formally GX). > Already contacted the factory, they don't know !! Nether do my > co-workers. It sounds like you should have the users enter *82 (or 1182) AFTER the 9 rather than before. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 17:31:44 -0500 From: Chip Elliott Subject: Fiber Compendium Hello! Greetings from Cambridge MA. For the past couple of years I've been collecting lots of information about the new "fibersphere" that's being installed, both subsea and terrestrial. The result is kind of a huge glom of information that might interest some telecom-digest folks. It's Microsoft Word (alas) because it's megabytes long with lots of maps & photos, which crashes my PDF writer when I try to make PDF. Here's a pointer: http://www.geocities.com/chipelliott/ Actually I have a lot more detail about cable landings, etc, but am leary about putting these details on the web. Cheers and all the best, Chip Elliott BBN PS. I have lots of great maps of San Luis Obispo, as you might guess. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 19 Mar 2001 19:40:16 -0500 From: Carl Navarro Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators On 19 Mar 2001 04:56:54 -0500, Russell Senior wrote: > >I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate >when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is >observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an >alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears >a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is >off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension >and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a >call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. >Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I >couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but >usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an >LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions >back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate >the problem. ITW Linx (Illinois Tool Works) and probably Siemon makes a STA-2 type device that is a dual color LED that mounts on a 66 block. They are highly susceptible to damage from over current, so use them to isolate your trouble and then get rid of them or you'll get a new set of problems :-) I think Graybar still carries the product, about $12 each. >I don't usually read these newsgroups, so a CC on your reply would be >appreciated. Thanks in advance. My motto (borrowed) Post here read here. Carl Navarro - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 01:07:43 -0500 From: "Gail M. Hall" Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators On 19 Mar 2001 04:56:54 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom, you (Russell Senior ) wrote: > >I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate >when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is >observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an >alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears >a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is >off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension >and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a >call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. >Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I >couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but >usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an >LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions >back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate >the problem. > Last night I saw a segment on CBS "Sixty Minutes" television program about the new digital TV recorders that use a hard drive instead of magnetic tape. TiVo is one company that I remember them mentioning. Some of these systems also connect to a telephone line to download program information. The reporter said that sometimes it takes all night to download this information via telephone. They did not say if a person has to get a separate telephone line for these systems to use. Therefore, it is possible that the device could use your normal phone line to make these calls and prevent you from using your own phone over several hours. It seems to me that a better method would be to use a cable channel to get the information so as not to interfere with the normal phone line availability. Russell's question also made me remember that some other systems use telephone connections to provide information to a central site. Security systems and maybe even some utility companies might use such techology. Utilities might use it to send in meter readings, for example. What I wonder about is if the subscribers are informed about the times and lengths of this telephone usage so that they will know what/who is using their phone lines. Can the phone companies provide subscribers with a log of all calls in and out of their phone lines covering the times they are trying to troubleshoot for? If these things are preventing subscribers from getting the normal voice phone service they think they have subscribed to, I would hope that the phone companies would provide such logs without charging the phone customer. Or the telco might charge a minimal, AFFORDABLE amount for a log of all outgoing and incoming calls for specific time frames. - -- Gail from Ohio USA - -- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #42 ******************************* Date: 21 Mar 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #43 Telecom Digest Wednesday, March 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 043 In this issue: Re: extension off-hook indicators Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website How the NYPD Cracked the Ultimate Cyberfraud Snail junk mail mailing screwup, someone got 400 copies! Re: extension off-hook indicators 3/20/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES National Academy of Science's new Internet DNS study Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website FC: BBB responds to politech subscriber on "copyright" linking claim ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 20 Mar 2001 09:29:55 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators Russell Senior writes: >From: Russell Senior >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.telecom.tech >Subject: extension off-hook indicators >Date: 19 Mar 2001 04:56:54 -0500 >Lines: 27 > >I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate >when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is >observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an >alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears >a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is >off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension >and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a >call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. >Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I >couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but >usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an >LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions >back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate >the problem. If each of the phones or other devices are connected its own run back to your phone closet, you could insert a relay to sense which one has gone off-hook. At a minimum, you could tell which branch from the wiring closet has the off-hook device. Mike Sandman (Sandman Enterprises, the Chicago Telecom equipment supplier) can provide these devices: We sell a Standard Sensitivity Loop Sensing Relay ($14.95). It is not modular. It comes with wires that you need to connect in series with one side of the line. It's a small circuit board with double stick tape. It can be mounted in a phone, at a jack or at the frame. Go to Mike's web site at http://www.sandman.com or phone him at (630) 980-7710 to order. You can get some LEDs and an appropriate "wall wart" power supply to wire to the relay contacts so that the LED will light whenever current is passing through the relay. >I don't usually read these newsgroups, so a CC on your reply would be >appreciated. Thanks in advance. > >Russell Senior >seniorr@aracnet.com Sorry, as someone said, "you post here, you read here." If I can go to the trouble of answering your question, you can go to the trouble of coming back for the answer. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 11:53:24 -0500 From: djmcdona@fnord.io.com (Daniel J McDonald) Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website In article , Jeff Groves wrote: > > >On 18 Mar 2001, Monty Solomon wrote: > >> > >> >As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not sponsor, endorse >> >or approve companies. Your hyperlink to www.bbb.org may imply or mislead >> >consumers into assuming that our organization supports your business or >> >that there is a business relationship between us. In addition, materials >> >from our web site is copyrighted, and, therefore, cannot be linked to >> >without permission from the BBB. Presently, we are only allowing links to >> >government agencies, educational institution, news media and members of the >> >BBB. >> > > >I can see why they want people to remove their links (the "imply or >mislead" sentence above ), but trying to stop it based on copyright is >idiotic. > Then why don't they just use a technical solution: grab the referrer line from the HTTP request, check it against a list of valid referrer sites - if it's a clean one, let them through. If not, toss up a page that says something on the order of "Warning - the web site that linked you here is not affiliated with the BBB, although we will recommend some great campsites in Siberia for them if they ask nicely. We do, however, have 16 complaints on file about that company - for information on those complaints click here" plus a link to the page that they really want. Then everybody is happy. The BBB gets to tweak the nose of folks who don't sign up but still create links. The linkers get to point at all the content they want, and the web surfer gets to figure out whom is on the up-and-up. - -- Daniel J McDonald CCIE # 2495, CNX dmcdonald@digicontech.com Visit my website: http://www.io.com/~djmcdona - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 12:40:10 -0500 From: msb@vex.net (Mark Brader) Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website | As a matter of policy, the Better Business Bureau does not sponsor, endorse | or approve companies. Your hyperlink to www.bbb.org may imply or mislead | consumers into assuming that our organization supports your business or | that there is a business relationship between us. In addition, materials | from our web site is copyrighted, and, therefore, cannot be linked to | without permission from the BBB. ... Jeff Groves: >> I can see why they want people to remove their links (the "imply or >> mislead" sentence above ), but trying to stop it based on copyright is >> idiotic. That's my feeling also: I think this ought to be done using trademark law, not copyright law. But I am not a lawyer of any kind. Daniel McDonald: > Then why don't they just use a technical solution: grab the referrer line > from the HTTP request, check it against a list of valid referrer sites - > if it's a clean one, let them through. ... Because deceptive marketing is often based on creating a false first impression. What the people who set up these links want is for people NOT to spend time following the link, but merely to see that it's there and assume that the company must be a BBB member, or better yet, that it's "sponsored, endorsed, or approved" by the BBB. - -- Mark Brader, Toronto "I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pedantic and msb@vex.net that's just as good." -- D Gary Grady My text in this article is in the public domain. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:20:13 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website In article <9984l1$1j1c$1@news.tht.net>, Mark Brader wrote: >Because deceptive marketing is often based on creating a false first >impression. What the people who set up these links want is for people >NOT to spend time following the link, but merely to see that it's there >and assume that the company must be a BBB member, or better yet, that >it's "sponsored, endorsed, or approved" by the BBB. And indeed, this was just the sort of situation that deceptive-advertising and unfair-competition law was created to deal with. On the other hand, the notion that copyright law could be used to prohibit someone from publishing the address of a Web site (or indeed the name of any other published work) is clearly specious. ``Better Business Bureau'' and the BBB logo are both registered service marks of the Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. ``Better Business Bureau'' is also a collective membership mark and a collective service mark. IANAL, YMMV. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 15:35:31 -0500 From: Manny Olds Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website Garrett Wollman wrote: > ``Better Business Bureau'' and the BBB logo are both registered > service marks of the Council of Better Business Bureaus, Inc. > ``Better Business Bureau'' is also a collective membership mark and a > collective service mark. So in your theory, could I refer to the Better Business Bureau by name and give their contact information [4200 Wilson Blvd., Suite 800, Arlington, VA 22203-1838; Phone: +1 (703) 276.0100; Fax: +1 (703) 525.8277] in a newspaper article or Usenet posting? Or is there something special about web pages and URLs [http://www.bbb.org/]? - -- Manny Olds (oldsma@pobox.com) of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA "Six times during the past year, a 13-year-old has been charged with stealing cars, at times leading police on chases. ... 'This could be a cry for help,' [Said the prosecutor.] 'On the other hand, he could just be a car thief.' " -- AP news story (28 Nov 2000) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 16:42:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: How the NYPD Cracked the Ultimate Cyberfraud How the NYPD Cracked the Ultimate Cyberfraud NEW YORK - Using computers in a local library, a Brooklyn busboy pulled off the largest identity-theft in Internet history, victimizing more than 200 of the "Richest People in America" listed in Forbes magazine, authorities say. http://www.foxnews.com/national/032001/super_swindler.sml - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 19:27:59 -0500 From: Robert Casey Subject: Snail junk mail mailing screwup, someone got 400 copies! Heard about a company that got a CD rom of addresses and mailed each listing a package of snail junk mail. Turns out they didn't check for duplicate addresses, and one address appeared about 400 times! And that person received 400 copies of the junk mail. "Paper mail bomb". - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:28:10 -0500 From: "Charles P" Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators Radio shack sold line monitors, I think for about $15 each. One style used a battery, one didn't. I had a bunch of the no-battery units but they loaded down the line and messed up modem traffic. Sandman also has good devices (as mentioned elsewhere) www.sandman.com. You can spend $100 or so and get a single line accounting unit that can log on/off hook and time of day. OR I assume he does not have a phone system in place. The alarm system could be causing problems as others mentioned. Also check: modems answering machines credit card machines fax units etc. Unplug various units one at a time and see if the problem goes away. How often does it happen? Is there more than one line? (I know 4 extensions but are they multi-line phones, or just 4 phones on one line?) charles - -- Charles Patterson charles@avtele.com Global Communications Tarrytown, NY www.avtele.com www.telephonesecurity.com "Russell Senior" wrote in message news:86itl69owc.fsf@coulee.tdb.com... > > I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate > when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is > observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an > alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears > a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is > off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension > and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a > call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. > Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I > couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but > usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an > LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions > back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate > the problem. > > I don't usually read these newsgroups, so a CC on your reply would be > appreciated. Thanks in advance. > > -- > Russell Senior ``The two chiefs turned to each other. > seniorr@aracnet.com Bellison uncorked a flood of horrible > profanity, which, translated meant, `This is > extremely unusual.' '' > -- > The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail > messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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However, the composition of the committee and the goal of the committee as described in the scope definition make it seem as if many of those on the committee have no basis to be able to make decisions in the public interest toward the future of the Internet. It seems that "vested interests" rather than any understanding of needed Internet technical functionality, is what guided the composition of much of the committee. The goal appears to be the same privatization of the Internet's public infrastructure that has led to such havoc in the activities of ICANN. See: Internet Addressing and The Domain Name System: Technical Alternatives and Policy Implications URL: http://www4.nas.edu/cp.nsf/Projects+_by+_PIN/CSTB-L-99-07-A?OpenDocument The scope for investigation for the committee narrows the online community to "Effective solutions must consider the potentially competing interests of domain name owners and trademark holders; the different interests of large multinational corporations, small business owners and individuals; and public interests such as freedom of speech and personal privacy." from: Project Title: Internet Addressing and The Domain Name System: Technical Alternatives and Policy Implications Project Identification Number: CSTB-L-99-07-A To see the Internet community as large multinational corporations, small business owners and individuals, and to propose this as the charge of a committee to do a study and then to report to the US congress about their advice about the future of the Internet's infrastructure is a serious problem. This scope definition and committee composition demonstrates the US government's continued lack of understanding of the need for effective channels of communication and feedback into policy decisions for the whole Internet community which includes the scientific and technical community, the artistic community, the education community, labor and state and local government entities etc. The Internet was built on the basis of effective feedback, but the efforts to privatize its infrastructure has led to trying to change the course of the Internet and of the goal of its development. Instead of learning from the effective development of the Internet, the US government is trying to restructure Internet development into the narrow confines of a narrow corporate model of society. Unless one understands the nature of the feedback system that made it possible to build the Internet, it will not be possible to effectively scale the Internet. However, it appears that the US government is more interested in privatizing the Internet's infrastructure than in finding a way to scale it successfully. ICANN is one indicator of the US government's misdirected policy goals, and now the formation and composition of the new NAS committee is another such indicator. Ronda ronda@panix.com http://www.ais.org/~ronda/new.papers/birth_internet.txt http://www.columbia.edu/~hauben/netbook/ I am working on a paper about a governance model that set the foundations for the Internet and would welcome comments on a draft that I hope to have available soon. The ICANN problem has shown that there is a need for a constructive model for Internet governance. I welcome hearing from those who feel this is a need and who are willing to try to collaborate toward this goal. To join the netizens mailing list to discuss this situation and similar concerns for netizens, send email to netizens-request@columbia.edu (and in the body of the email) subscribe - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 04:20:49 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: FC: Better Business Bureau tries to ban links to its website In article , Manny Olds wrote: >So in your theory, could I refer to the Better Business Bureau by name and >give their contact information [4200 Wilson Blvd., Suite 800, Arlington, >VA 22203-1838; Phone: +1 (703) 276.0100; Fax: +1 (703) 525.8277] in a >newspaper article or Usenet posting? Absolutely you could, provided you did not imply that you were either representing them or endorsed by them. (If you were a competitor of theirs, it might be different -- context matters!) >Or is there something special about web pages and URLs >[http://www.bbb.org/]? Nope. In fact, if I read the trademark examination guidelines at correctly, there's a good chance that `bbb.org' is not even trademarkable. (One of the few sensible things that has happened in the realm of Federal trademark law lately is the determination that only the identifying parts of a URI are subject to trademark protection, and the `http://www.' and `.{com,org,net,cctld}/' bits are mere syntax. It's not clear to me whether `bbb' on its own is distinctive enough to sustain a trademark.) Repeat disclaimer: IANAL, YMMV. - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 04:21:13 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: FC: BBB responds to politech subscriber on "copyright" linking claim Excerpt from http://www.politechbot.com/p-01823.html Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 08:52:24 -0800 From: Declan McCullagh Subject: FC: BBB responds to politech subscriber on "copyright" linking claim ********** In response to: http://www.politechbot.com/p-01814.html Excerpt from BBB response: "Hyperlinking to BBB sites by businesses that are not members of the CBBB or BBB is not permitted." ********** - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #43 ******************************* Date: 22 Mar 2001 06:15:13 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #44 Telecom Digest Thursday, March 22 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 044 In this issue: Re: extension off-hook indicators RE: National Academy of Science's new Internet DNS study repost of cell site inquiry Re: Privacy Manager Your E-Hancock Can Be Forged ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 21 Mar 2001 10:17:39 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators "Charles P" writes: >From: "Charles P" >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom,comp.dcom.telecom.tech >Subject: Re: extension off-hook indicators >Date: 20 Mar 2001 21:28:10 -0500 >Lines: 68 > >Radio shack sold line monitors, I think for about $15 each. One style used a >battery, one didn't. I had a bunch of the no-battery units but they loaded >down the line and messed up modem traffic. These units detect an off-hook condition on the line by monitoring the voltage across the loop. When a phone goes of hook, the voltage drops suddenly and the Radio Shack -type device activates whatever it's designed to activate: an indicator light, a tape recorder, a call timer, etc. I belive, however, the question was about how to determine *which* phone, fax, answering machine, alarm, etc. had gone off-hook. All that the Radio Shack device will do is tell you that something on the line has gone off hook. I suggested the relay device from Sandman because one can be placed in series with each phone and will only be activated when that particular phone goes offhook. If the writer is fortunate enough to have each of his office phones separately run back to his wiring closet, he can locate one of these relays for each phone and thus be able to see which is offhook. >"Russell Senior" began by writing: >> >> I am looking for a wiring diagram or an inexpensive device to indicate >> when a POTS extension is off-hook. I am helping a guy out who is >> observing weird behavior in a small office with 4 extensions and an >> alarm system. Occasionally, while he is talking on the phone he hears >> a click and his phone gives an indication that another extension is >> off hook. I have observed this myself when I picked up an extension >> and it appeared to be dead, then I got the ``if you'd like to make a >> call ...'' message. Hanging up my phone didn't get me a dial tone. >> Then a few minutes later the mystery extension went back on hook and I >> couldn't diagnose it any further. It happens several times a day, but >> usually when I am not present. What I'd like is a something with an >> LED (or some other indicator) that I can put on each of the extensions >> back in the wiring closet so that when it happens again we can isolate >> the problem. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:07:53 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: RE: National Academy of Science's new Internet DNS study As noted by two colleagues: >>It's going to be very predictable. >Predictability = Stability.... Isn't that the name of this game? Judith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert http://ICBTollFreeNews.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- > ------------------------------ > > Date: 21 Mar 2001 00:05:09 -0500 > From: rh120@columbia.edu (Ronda Hauben) > Subject: National Academy of Science's new Internet DNS study > > There's a new study of the Internet's Domain Name System > (DNS) that is > being set up at the National Academy of Science at the request of > the US Congress. The NAS is a policy institution created by the US > Congress to advise the US government. > > This study is to consider the issue of directories or DNS scaling. > > However, the composition of the committee and the goal of the > committee > as described in the scope definition make it seem as if many of those > on the committee have no basis to be able to make decisions in the > public interest toward the future of the Internet. > > It seems that "vested interests" rather than any understanding of > needed Internet technical functionality, is what guided the > composition > of much of the committee. > > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:07:57 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: repost of cell site inquiry Here is question rephrased for clarity ... my brother writes, "We're in a stretch of New Jersey that is very beautiful - much like southern Vermont (if you can believe that). Sprint wants to put a cell tower in the middle of an area that is between a mountain bluff and a large body of water.... perfect vista, that should not have a 150' tower in it. They want to put it on a "Christmas Tree" tower... but it will stick out like a sore thumb.... it'll be surrounded by trees that average 50-60 feet high, and are all broadleaf... not evergreens. I'm pushing for them to put micro-cells on the existing utility poles instead.... no one will complain there, the poles already exist, and of course, so does the technology. The stretch they are trying to cover is about 2 miles long +/-. The question I have is how much more do micro-cells and the associated multiplexers cost than the standard tower and cell arrangement? What might it take a carrier to force them to use a possibly more costly, but aesthetically more accepted system? And is there anything else that I should be asking/researching about this issue?" tia - Judith - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert http://ICBTollFreeNews.com - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:29:34 -0500 From: "Rich ." Subject: Re: Privacy Manager If you were successfully suing people in small claims, why did you get the Privacy Manager @ $4/month? On 9 Mar 2001 19:48:56 -0500, in comp.dcom.telecom you wrote: >Just had Pacific Bell put it in today, it replaced my call rejection, which >worked fine, but with the recording so bad at times it confused a few people, >plus it did not get rid of all the junk calls I have been getting the last few >weeks and my Radio Shack unit was getting full, plus the phone still rang. It >works just fine, I already had one call come through it and I could not believe >it, the person was a telemarketer from the local newspaper that I subscribe to >and had just won a Small Claims lawsuit not 2 weeks ago. The gull of those >people. Called the a manager at the paper and asked if they wanted me to sue >them again, or just send me the money. Their lawyer will be calling me back. >It still has made the phone only ring 75% less then it did yesterday. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 21 Mar 2001 17:14:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Your E-Hancock Can Be Forged Your E-Hancock Can Be Forged WASHINGTON -- A Czech information security firm has found a flaw in Pretty Good Privacy that permits digital signatures to be forged in some situations. Phil Zimmermann, the PGP inventor who's now the director of the OpenPGP Consortium, said on Wednesday that he and a Network Associates (NETA) engineer verified that the vulnerability exists. http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,42553,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #44 ******************************* Date: 23 Mar 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #45 Telecom Digest Friday, March 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 045 In this issue: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook ReaderBoards.com: Online File Area for Members Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? reply from BBB on linking Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? FWD: washingtonpost.com: Local Phone Giants Fight to Stay Whole FWD: Phone Giants Talking Merger, Sources Say 3/22/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500 From: Dennis Moul Subject: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? One of the marketing folks in my company forwarded an email to me advertising a global, single-number toll free service. It appears that they use a special "269" country code to accomplish this. From the USA you would dial "011-269-number", and from other countries you would use whatever prefix they have for international dialing followed by "269-number". The web site (www.global269.com) is short on details, and mainly focused on getting people to register new numbers in the system (at $40 a pop). Their only statement on rates is that they will be "competitive". A Google search turned up very little other than PR materials from the companies involved (ComoreTel and VeriSign). The only interesting link was to an ITU document at http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com2/dcontr/01-04/dc-jan01/11.html, but access to it is password protected. My initial impression is that this is mostly a "register lots of people" scam, but the involvement of VeriSign and the ITU makes me think that maybe it's for real. Does anyone have more information about this? Cheers, Dennis email:dmmst19@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 16:43:17 -0500 From: "John Repici" Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Thanks. It's about time somebody did this study! Its an issue that's needed a study for a couple of years now. Is there any peer critique of this study? Is anybody saying its badly done? -John - -- - ---------------- www.ReaderBoards.com Building a community of call center people. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 17:17:47 -0500 From: "John Repici" Subject: ReaderBoards.com: Online File Area for Members Hello all, I'm never sure what to do about these. I have two other sites that are commercial and don't get mentioned in newsgroups. This one is NOT commercial (not even ad banners). The new member feature discussed might be valuable to people like yourselves who post to newsgroups. If you have an opinion, I'm sure you'll let me know. :) The press-release follows, just below. Thanks for your time (and tolerance?). -John - --------------------------------------------------- cut and paste or press release begins below the line - ------------------------------------------------------ 16-Mar-2001 Title: ReaderBoards.com Announces Free Online File Area and Document Sharing Services For Its Members - - - RIVERSIDE, NJ(US) -- ReaderBoards.com, today announced the launch of a new, easy to use online file sharing area to benefit its members. The new resource allows members to share documents and files with each other or with the entire internet community at their option. Members organize and maintain their documents using simple ''push-button" functions for uploading files, deleting files, making and removing sub-directories and more. There is no restriction on the types of files members may upload which might include web pages, Word documents, and Project files among other types. To make it easy for members to share their documents, each file is listed along with a special ''attach- tag". Members may cut and past these small text- fields directly into discussion board messages and pages. When pasted into messages, attach-tags produce a link to the member's document file. In the case of a graphic file, the image is displayed directly in the message. Because attach-tags are formatted in a de facto industry standard they will work just as easily at many other forums and discussion boards around the internet. Each ReaderBoards.com member is provided two personal file areas. One for files that are visible across the entire World Wide Web, and another for files that can only be viewed by fellow members. ''The extra option is provided for members who may wish to share semi-personal documents, such as resumes or job descriptions with the community" according to John Repici, site administrator. Members wishing to set up more restricted security areas (to support their clients or employee groups for example) are also accommodated. - - About ReaderBoards.com ReaderBoards.com is a new site, dedicated to building a community and interactive resource for people who work within, support, or report on the Call Center industry. The site currently provides a growing set of centralized, web-based tools to members such as: + Interactive discussion areas where professionals from every aspect of the industry are free to chat about day-to-day challenges, triumphs, and concerns with others. + Breaking industry news: Press releases of specific concern to call center and customer service industry people on a daily basis. + Easy file and document sharing, with other members, or with the entire Internet. + A database of links to related industry sites; added, categorized, and rated by members. + A member directory, providing the information each member has agreed to share. + Private discussion areas for corporate groups and member clients. + White papers collected and rated by members, book ratings and descriptions, file downloads, etc. Soon to be announced: Web page hosting for members using dynamic, interactive, page design and development. Membership is free. A valid email address and sign-on are the minimum required to join. There is no plan to ever charge or profit from members. Member information is their own, and doesn't get traded. Members retain the option to delete their information completely. For more information see www.ReaderBoards.com ____________________ Media Contact John Repici: JRepici@ReaderBoards.com Online press information: http://www.readerboards.org/O/FP/M/PL/DPL.htm ### - ---------------- www.ReaderBoards.com Building a community of call center people. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:32:38 -0500 From: John McHarry Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? The ties to Verisign and ITU look pretty tenuous, but it appears that Comoros is up to turning its country code (269) into an international freephone prefix and raking in a profit from all the foreign entities that sign up. This is kind of like Tuvalu marketing .TV domain names. More power to them if they can pull it off. On 22 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500, Dennis Moul wrote: >One of the marketing folks in my company forwarded an >email to me >advertising a global, single-number toll free service. >It appears that >they use a special "269" country code to accomplish >this. From >the USA you would dial "011-269-number", and from >other countries you >would use whatever prefix they have for international >dialing followed >by "269-number". > >The web site (www.global269.com) is short on details, >and mainly >focused on getting people to register new numbers in >the system (at >$40 a pop). Their only statement on rates is that they >will be >"competitive". > >A Google search turned up very little other than PR >materials from the >companies involved (ComoreTel and VeriSign). The only >interesting link >was to an ITU document at >http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com2/dcontr/01-04/dc-jan01/11.html, >but access to it is password protected. > >My initial impression is that this is mostly a >"register lots of >people" scam, but the involvement of VeriSign and the >ITU makes me >think that maybe it's for real. Does anyone have more >information >about this? > >Cheers, >Dennis > >email:dmmst19@yahoo.com > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _______________________________ people who might like some spam: 70732.56@compuserve.com albert@silhouettes-inc.com info@atlantistech.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 19:34:29 -0500 From: Ki Suk Hahn Subject: reply from BBB on linking I posted a question on the BBB website and the reply from them included this line, which I hope I'm not quoting out of context: It's for-profit business web sites that must meet careful scrutiny before we permit their hyperlinks to our site. I wrote back saying that you don't really permit or deny hyperlinks to your site. You put your site out there and people can do as they wish. You control people once they're in your site but the rest of the net is off-limits (until you sue). Ki Suk Hahn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 20:27:27 -0500 From: Steve Tihor Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? This seems like a bad thing for people in the country who want to recieve normal calls from people elewhere in the world. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 21:27:00 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: FWD: washingtonpost.com: Local Phone Giants Fight to Stay Whole http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39715-2001Mar21.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A39715-2001Mar21?language=printer Local Phone Giants Fight to Stay Whole Rivals Seek Wholesale-Retail Split By Peter S. Goodman Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 22, 2001; Page E01 As impatience over the slow pace of local telephone competition intensifies, authorities in more than a dozen states are considering proposals that would break former Bell telephone companies in two in a bid to help their rivals gain access to the basic wires reaching homes and offices. In Pennsylvania -- ground zero for the simmering movement -- the state Public Utility Commission is scheduled to vote today on a plan to break Verizon Communications Inc., the dominant local telephone power from Virginia to Maine, into distinct wholesale and retail entities. The retail arm could compete freely for residential and business customers, while the guts of the telephone network would be the core of a separate wholesale enterprise, its profits dependent on linking as many phone companies as possible to its wires. Proponents said such an arrangement would eliminate a basic conflict of interest that stymies competition: The former Bells' wholesale customers are also their competitors, undercutting their incentive to lease their wires. <<>> The battle has spread to other states. AT&T recently filed a petition urging the New Jersey Board of Public Utilities to impose a similar restructuring on Verizon. It plans to file similar petitions in Virginia and New York. The Maryland General Assembly this year tabled a bill sponsored by Del. Joan F. Stern (D-Montgomery) that would split Verizon. The Illinois legislature this week plans hearings on a bill that would divide Ameritech -- the regional phone company purchased last year by SBC Communications Inc. -- into separate wholesale and retail arms. Last month, a Georgia-based telephone service provider, Access Integrated Networks Inc., wrote to members of Congress and utility commissioners in nine southeastern states urging that BellSouth be split. Yesterday, AT&T filed a petition in Florida to break up BellSouth in that state. The dispute is the latest to result from the Telecommunications Act of 1996, adopted to promote local telephone competition. <<>> Morton Bahr, president of the Communications Workers of America, which represents 450,000 telephone workers nationwide, said he met March 13 with Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael K. Powell, who assured him that the proposals are going nowhere at the federal level. Powell declined comment. "In the long term, it makes these companies less competitive, which leads to a loss of jobs," Bahr said. "It will be an issue that disappears." But Pennsylvania could be an exception. The battle began two years ago when the state Public Commission concluded a study of telephone competition and announced plans to split Bell Atlantic -- the company since merged with GTE Corp. to create Verizon -- into separate wholesale and retail entities. <<>> H. Russell Frisby Jr., president of the Competitive Telecommunication Association, a group of former Bell companies, acknowledged Verizon's advantage in Pennsylvania and other states. "Verizon has employees throughout the state," he said. "It has relations with the union. It is one of the largest political contributors in the state. Those are very significant advantages." (c) 2001 The Washington Post Company - -- To reply use the address below: ___ __ d_)--/d chessler usa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 22 Mar 2001 22:49:38 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: FWD: Phone Giants Talking Merger, Sources Say http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/business/specials/antitrust/A6824-2001Mar14.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A6824-2001Mar14?language=printer Phone Giants Talking Merger, Sources Say By Peter S. Goodman Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 15, 2001; Page E01 For a telecommunications world once accustomed to one blockbuster merger after another, recent months have passed conspicuously shy of deals. But plunging stock prices have now created enough high-profile bargains to coax the investment bankers back to the conference tables. As Wall Street digests the likelihood that the Bush administration will prove less inclined than its predecessor to impede mergers, another wave is taking shape. According to sources familiar with the talks, BellSouth Corp., the Atlanta-based local telephone giant, is pursuing the purchase of Sprint Corp., the national long-distance and wireless telephone company. SBC Communications Inc., the dominant local telephone company across the Midwest, Texas and California, has held conversations about buying WorldCom Inc., the nation's second-largest long-distance business, though no talks have occurred in recent weeks, the sources said. The sources cautioned that any agreements are probably months away from being finalized, if they ever come to fruition. But the fact that such enormous mergers are being contemplated suggests that the wrenching shakeout underway in the telecommunications industry has created enough attractive prices to spur deals. At the same time, a more market-friendly leadership in Washington has emboldened companies to consider combinations once deemed impossible. "People are getting a more realistic view of their prospects of succeeding on a stand-alone basis, which leads to deals because people conclude that they're better off as part of a larger organization," said Morton Pierce, chairman of the mergers-and-acquisitions practice at the law firm Dewey Ballantine LLP in New York. "As the Clinton administration wound down, there was much greater concern about regulation and regulatory impediments to transactions. Today the sense is cautious optimism that things will be better." Analysts say the renewed merger talk is a natural outgrowth of the refashioning of the telecommunications landscape by tempestuous markets. .... <<>> According to the sources, both SBC and BellSouth plan to expedite their applications to enter the long-distance markets in their key, revenue-rich states -- SBC in California, Illinois and Indiana, and BellSouth in Florida and Georgia -- and then seek to finalize deals with the long-distance companies later this year. © 2001 The Washington Post Company - -- To reply use the address below: ___ __ d_)--/d chessler usa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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Book" Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? John McHarry wrote: > > The ties to Verisign and ITU look pretty tenuous, but it appears that > Comoros is up to turning its country code (269) into an international > freephone prefix and raking in a profit from all the foreign entities > that sign up. This is kind of like Tuvalu marketing .TV domain names. > More power to them if they can pull it off. Steve Tihor wrote: > > This seems like a bad thing for people in the country who want to recieve > normal calls from people elewhere in the world. Maybe not. What if the Telco in the Comoros makes enough money off the "international toll-free" business that they just make *ALL* calls to the country free? Then people who live there could have their friends/relatives in other countries call them for free! However, isn't it possible for them to just set up certain numbers in the country to be toll-free? Maybe they'll set up one "city" code for this purpose. - --Robert Book rbook1@mochamail.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #45 ******************************* Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:57:18 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #46 Telecom Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 046 In this issue: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Northpoint bites the dust change subscription address Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: Northpoint bites the dust Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Alert: 9-0-# Re: Alert: 9-0-# Re: Alert: 9-0-# Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Spam Faxes: Techniques for Handling? Convergent Billing Systems 3/23/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 23 Mar 2001 08:00:24 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? In article , John McHarry wrote: > The ties to Verisign and ITU look pretty tenuous, but it appears that > Comoros is up to turning its country code (269) into an international > freephone prefix and raking in a profit from all the foreign entities > that sign up. This is kind of like Tuvalu marketing .TV domain > names. More power to them if they can pull it off. Not quite correct. Only part of +269 -- specifically +269 800 -- will be international freephone. The rest of +269 will operate as normal. > On 22 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500, Dennis Moul wrote: > > >One of the marketing folks in my company forwarded an email to me > >advertising a global, single-number toll free service. It appears > >that they use a special "269" country code to accomplish this. From > >the USA you would dial "011-269-number", and from other countries > >you would use whatever prefix they have for international dialing > >followed by "269-number". Again, from the U.S. you would dial 011-269-800-number, etc. In any case, it appears to be on the up-and-up. This is an intriguing legitimate use of their telephone numbering space, in stark contrast to the "telesleaze" that so many countries have in theirs. The difficulty will be in getting other countries to recognize and bill +269 800 as toll-free, rather than at the regular rates for the Comoros Islands. Then there's the question of who pays who what for a call to such a number. Let's suppose that I place a call from the U.S. to a "Global269" number that is eventually routed to Canada. The intent is that I won't pay anything for the call; the called party will pay for it. I just checked MCI's web site, and under their weekend value plan they charge around $4/minute for calls to the Comoros; AT&T and Sprint are comparable. The cheapest rate I could find was on a dialaround carrier for $0.34/minute with a 10-minute minimum. Even 34 cents a minute is a lot to pay for this kind of service, and that's before we even get to the cost of bouncing the call back from the Comoros to its actual destination. I suppose that shortcut routing would be allowed, since it is with the knowledge and consent of the party paying the bill, but the originating LD carrier would still expect to get some reasonable revenue, and presumably there is some revenue stream to benefit ComoreTel. So, as John said, "More power to them if they can pull it off" -- with a caveat that it's a mighty big "if." - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:09:16 -0500 From: Matt Simpson Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook In article <99drk1$kev$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, John Repici wrote: > Is there any peer critique of this study? Is > anybody saying its badly done? I haven't seen the study. But I know that AAA makes a lot of money selling cellphone service. - -- Matt Simpson -- Obsolete MVS Guy University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:18:26 -0500 From: "John R. Covert Spam Sink" Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Of course it's for real. The ITU has already reserved country code 800 for international toll-free services, but it's only available in a small number of countries due to the way it was implemented. ComoreTel clearly states in their FAQ that the numbers will be in the format +269 800 NNN-NNNN; only those numbers will be toll-free, not other numbers in the islands. Their selling point will be the value added services they offer, such as redirecting your toll-free number via a WWWeb interface. Don't expect the service to be cheap; companies pay big bucks for international toll-free services. /john - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:51:57 -0500 From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) Subject: Northpoint bites the dust In case you havn't seen it yet, another major DSL provider (NorthPoint) has gone under for good. You can read the whole press release at www.northpoint.net, but the gist of it is: > At this point it is clear that the sale process to which we have > dedicated much effort has not yielded long term financing, or a > strategic partnership that will allow NorthPoint to continue its > current level of operations. As a result, the cessation of services > to our customers and the complete shut down of our network is > imminent. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:55:55 -0500 From: Mike Chance 5-4119 Subject: change subscription address Please chance my TELECOM Digest subscription address from "mc307a@cs10k1b.sbc.com" to "mc307a@sbc.com". Thanks. - -- Michael A. Chance FIRST Support Team Southwestern Bell Telephone Co., St. Louis, Missouri Tel.: (314) 235-4119 Email: mc307a@sbc.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 11:25:17 -0500 From: Mark J Cuccia Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? John McHarry wrote: > The ties to Verisign and ITU look pretty tenuous, but it appears that > Comoros is up to turning its country code (269) into an international > freephone prefix and raking in a profit from all the foreign entities > that sign up. This is kind of like Tuvalu marketing .TV domain names. > More power to them if they can pull it off. Steve Tihor wrote: > This seems like a bad thing for people in the country who want to > recieve normal calls from people elewhere in the world. Robert A. Book wrote: > Maybe not. What if the Telco in the Comoros makes enough money off the > "international toll-free" business that they just make *ALL* calls to > the country free? Then people who live there could have their > friends/relatives in other countries call them for free! > However, isn't it possible for them to just set up certain numbers in > the country to be toll-free? Maybe they'll set up one "city" code for > this purpose. I looked at the webpage and the various FAQs associated. No, Comoros/Mayotte (Country Code +269) is *NOT* making all inbound calls to their country (code) as "free". They *ARE* setting up a "city" code within +269 for "free" calls, where the called number/party pays for incoming calls. It would be +269-800-xxx-xxxx They "claim" that it would be free and reach-able from anywhere in the world, and they are "negotiating" with various telcos for this. However, this number range is simply yet another toll-free range within a specific country's domestic number range, just like 800/888/877/866/etc are toll-free codes *within* +1 NANP, or (0)800 (followed by six->seven digits) is toll-free *within* +44 United Kingdom. Even though Global269/Comoros "claims" that +269-800- will be "free" from "anywhere" in the world, I doubt that most telcos, International Carriers, domestic LD carriers in various countries, etc. will "necessarily" make it available and free from anywhere/everywhere. It *IS* possible in *SOME* parts of the world to dial +1-800/888/etc. and complete a call to that *number* in the NANP, but standard International charges *from* that country *to* the NANP would be billed. Sometimes, such calls are *blocked* But there *are* some *special* set-ups from various countries for *specific* NANP-based +1-800/888/etc. numbers that *are indeed* free to the calling party. NOTE that there is *NO* consistancy on this. With *SOME* US-based LD-carriers, I *CAN* place a (billed) call to the UK, by dialing 011+44+800-etc., and get through. Such calls are *NOT* "free" to me, since I *am* placing an international toll call *to* the UK, using 011+44+. I don't know of *ANY* UK-based +44-800- (i.e., 0800-) number that I can call from the US for "free" in this manner. The ITU also has established UIFN, Universal International Freephone, using "country" code +800, followed by eight digits. Not all countries in the world yet participate for originating access. Even the desired terminating party/number/customer has to arrange or sepecify *which* *available* originating countries *can* effectively dial and reach their number. With +800-xxxx-xxxx, as well as with Global269/Comoros' "proposed" +269-800-xxx-xxxx (if it indeed will work as they claim), there *ARE* going to be (already *ARE* with +800) problems with making EACH AND EVERY country, phone, PBX, etc. able to dial such numbers. PBXes don't necessarily allow 011+, much less 011+800. Ditto for cellular. Then there are payphones and COCOTs..... I have tried dialing some +800- UIFN numbers from time-to-time. When dialed from the US, the local telco (which needs to have 011+800 programmed into originating central office translations) hands the call over to *my* inTER-LATA PIC, unless I dial a 101-XXXX+ CAC before 011+800-. AT&T, MCI, Sprint recognize CC +800. Other carriers (which could be the calling party/line's PIC) might *NOT* (yet) recognize CC +800. AT&T's OSPS switches (Operator/Card services) recognize CC +800 properly. If I can't get thru to 011+800- under "usual" dialing methods, I can try (101-0288)-01+800- (via OSPS), or use 800- dialup (800-CALL-ATT, etc), or (101-0288)-00 access, etc. I can still get thru at no charge to me (except maybe airtime/roaming if calling from cellular). But MCI, Sprint, etc., the last time I checked, don't recognize domestic/ NANP-based 800/888/877/etc. when using their opr/card platform, much less CC +800. Heck, many PBXes, cellulars, COCOTs/payphones, etc don't even properly recognize/route/etc. NANP/DOMESTIC 800/888/877/etc. numbers! :( If CC +800 UIFN isn't really "universal", because one might be on a 011+ restricted/blocked line or CPE, do you really expect +269-800- to be any better? If I were to want a "global/worldwide" toll-free number, I'd simply get ITU-based UIFN CC +800, and maybe some "domestic-based" (international routed/terminated) toll-free numbers in the countries I would want access from. Mark J. Cuccia mcuccia@tulane.edu New Orleans LA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 11:27:21 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Northpoint bites the dust roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) writes: >From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Northpoint bites the dust >Date: 23 Mar 2001 10:51:57 -0500 >Organization: PANIX -- Public Access Networks Corp. >Lines: 13 > >In case you havn't seen it yet, another major DSL provider >(NorthPoint) has gone under for good. You can read the whole press >release at www.northpoint.net, but the gist of it is: > >> At this point it is clear that the sale process to which we have >> dedicated much effort has not yielded long term financing, or a >> strategic partnership that will allow NorthPoint to continue its >> current level of operations. As a result, the cessation of services >> to our customers and the complete shut down of our network is >> imminent. Here are some excerpts from a story in this morning's Wall Street Journal: March 23, 2001 AT&T to Acquire Most Assets Of NorthPoint Communications -------------------------------------------------------- AT&T Corp. agreed to pay $135 million for virtually all the assets of NorthPoint Communications Group Inc., which had sought bankruptcy-court protection in January. [T]he U.S. Bankruptcy Court . . . has approved the pact, which was the outcome of an auction. The companies expect the sale to close within two months. . . . Buying NorthPoint's assets will give AT&T a much-needed jump-start in its nascent effort to sell high-speed Internet service. . . . Buying NorthPoint's assets will likely help AT&T move more quickly. The acquisition includes all of NorthPoint's spots in equipment hubs nationwide, certain network equipment, software and related assets. NorthPoint's assets include spots in phone company hubs in 109 cities and towns. The price could represent a bargain . . . NorthPoint's equipment alone is valued by some industry observers at more than $300 million. I believe the term "hubs" is intended to mean telephone company central offices and other facilities where copper local loops are terminated. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:17:59 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook Matt Simpson writes: >Repici wrote: > >> Is there any peer critique of this study? Is >> anybody saying its badly done? > >I haven't seen the study. But I know that AAA makes a lot of money >selling cellphone service. If it's anything like the AAA study which said that the MTBE additive in motor fuels did not affect mileage, AAA probably won't allow peer review of the study. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 12:50:44 -0500 From: Jonathan Seder Subject: Alert: 9-0-# Is this true? Comments, anyone? Subject: Fwd: Telephone alert! I received a telephone call last evening from an individual identifying himself as an AT&T Service technician who was conducting a test on telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I should touch nine(9), zero(0), the pound sign (#), and then hang up. Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by pushing 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone line, which enables them to place long distance calls billed to your home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been originating from many local jails/prisons. I have also verified this information with UCB Telecom, Pacific Bell, MCI, Bell Atlantic and GTE. Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested that I share this information with EVERYONE I KNOW. PLEASE pass this on to everyone YOU know. If you have mailing lists and/or newsletters from organizations you are connected with, I encourage you to pass on this information to them, too. After checking with Verizon they said it was true so do not dial (9), zero(0), the pound sign # and hang up for anyone. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 13:39:54 -0500 From: Joel B Levin Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# In <3ABB8CC2.18160D5D@syntel.com>, Jonathan Seder wrote: }Is this true? Comments, anyone? In a word, no. Not as stated. - -- Nets: levin at bbn.com | /"\ or jbl at levin.mv.com | \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN pots: (617)873-3463 | X AGAINST HTML MAIL ARS: KD1ON | / \ AND POSTINGS - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 14:46:53 -0500 From: John David Galt Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# This is an ancient urban legend. It will not work anywhere, unless someone has grossly misprogrammed their PBX. When you see ANY message that says "Please pass this on to everyone you know" you should treat it as a red flag, and NOT pass it on without first doing some research at reliable sites such as the following. www.urbanlegends.com www.vmyths.com (Computer Virus Myths page) www.snopes.com www.snopes2.com (Urban Legends Reference Pages) http://www.sirius.com/~arts/ironskillet/legends.html http://www.healthcentral.com/Centers/OneCenter.cfm?Center=Internet%5FHoax%5FWatch (Dr. Dean Edell's Internet Hoax Watch) http://urbanlegends.about.com/science/urbanlegends/library/blhoax.htm www.junkscience.com I suggest the above be added to the Telecom FAQ, if there is one. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 14:53:55 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: AAA Crash Study Lets Cell Phone Users Off Hook On 23 Mar 2001 10:09:16 -0500 Matt Simpson wrote: > In article <99drk1$kev$1@sshuraab-i-1.production.compuserve.com>, John > Repici wrote: > > > Is there any peer critique of this study? Is > > anybody saying its badly done? > > I haven't seen the study. But I know that AAA makes a lot of money > selling cellphone service. > > -- > Matt Simpson -- Obsolete MVS Guy > University Of Kentucky, Lexington, KY > AAA indeed sells wireless phone service (cellular and otherwise, to make the fine point raised some weeks ago), but do they make a lot of money of of it? They especially are strong at selling insurance, apparently devoting much more effort to that than to selling wireless service, and this would seem to give them a much different and more critical perspective. Almost every study is done by some person or organization which has multiple motivations. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 15:02:08 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? On 23 Mar 2001 11:25:17 -0500 Mark J Cuccia wrote: [ ... text deleted ... ] > But MCI, Sprint, etc., the last time I checked, don't recognize domestic/ > NANP-based 800/888/877/etc. when using their opr/card platform, much less > CC +800. Fifteen or 20 years ago, when in an office served by GTE in Brentwood, California (part of the Los Angeles metro area) all calls to 800 numbers had to be made through the operator/ card access number, even though no charge appeared on your bill. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 18:53:01 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Wes Leatherock writes: > > > Fifteen or 20 years ago, when in an office served by GTE >in Brentwood, California (part of the Los Angeles metro area) >all calls to 800 numbers had to be made through the operator/ >card access number, even though no charge appeared on your bill. Just to clarify... you say "Brentwood, California", but are you talking from firsthand knowledge that the Brentwood you are refering to is the Brentwood NEIGHBORHOOD in L.A. County, or the actual City of Brentwood, 94513, in Contra Costa County in Northern California? - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:51:55 -0500 From: Wes Leatherock Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? On 23 Mar 2001 18:53:01 -0500 Mike Maxfield wrote: > Wes Leatherock writes: > > > > > > Fifteen or 20 years ago, when in an office served by GTE > >in Brentwood, California (part of the Los Angeles metro area) > >all calls to 800 numbers had to be made through the operator/ > >card access number, even though no charge appeared on your bill. > > Just to clarify... you say "Brentwood, California", but are you > talking from firsthand knowledge that the Brentwood you are refering > to is the Brentwood NEIGHBORHOOD in L.A. County, or the actual > City of Brentwood, 94513, in Contra Costa County in Northern > California? > > > -- > tweek@io.com It was the Brentwood area of Los Angeles. I was not aware of a Brentwood in Northern California. At that time, and probably still, the LA area was a patchwork of Bell (now SBC) and GTE (now Verizon, I think) territory. Wes Leatherock wleath@sandbox.dynip.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 20:56:09 -0500 From: AES Subject: Spam Faxes: Techniques for Handling? I'm getting more and more spam advertising faxes on my home and office machines lately. Many of these do however have 1-800 or 1-888 voice numbers listed on the fax (1-888 is also toll-free, right?), either for ordering the product or service, or "To have your number removed from our database, please call our automated toll-free center". Suppose the recipient of spam faxes like this sets up their fax machine to just keep trying repeatedly to fax a "please remove me" request back to these numbers. * Does each call cost the recipient something? (How much?) * If the spamming company has to answer each call, will that annoy them? * Would this be illegal? Can a person get in any trouble for doing this? (With the telco, or ???) * Are there any better ways to respond to spam faxes? (using home or small-office PC-based equipment) - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 23 Mar 2001 21:40:47 -0500 From: Andie Subject: Convergent Billing Systems What do you guys think of Geneva, Lucent's Kenan-Arbor, Amdocs' Ensemble and Erickson's EHPT? Any other convergent billing systems to be considered? TIA - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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All rights reserved. ____________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 00:57:15 -0500 From: "Judith Oppenheimer" Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Below is a reprint of an ICB Premium article from last month. While I hinted then that ENUM could be in this product's future, I now have reason to believe so more affirmatively. In fact, though my VeriSign ENUM contact has denied it, I think that any VeriSign telephone number product: Global269, WebNum*, etc. - has preloading VeriSign's ENUM database in mind, perhaps as its primary purpose. Why? Think 'telephone number' paradigm shift, particularly re control. That said, VERISIGN TO OFFER 269 AS TOLL FREE Herndon, VA February 12, 2001 (ICB TOLL FREE NEWS) At first glance a smart adaptation of the commercialized ccTLD, VeriSign, Inc. and ComoreTel, a global telecommunications provider, today announced the availability of an online number registration system for ComoreTel’s new Global269 toll-free telephone service. The toll-free service, we're told, will provide businesses, for the first time, with a single toll-free phone number that customers and employees will be able to use from any country in the world. Sounds good, but it isn't true. Universal International Freephone Service does the same thing that Global269 purports to do, and uses 800 which is already branded as toll free. Global269 also shares Universal Freephone's primary problem: local connectivity. Per Global269's site, "Comoretel is working diligently with PTTs and reputable carriers around the world to implement the Global269 toll-free dial plan. Initial coverage is expected to begin in the third quarter of 2001. Comoretel expects to have coverage in most major countries by the end of 2002." While I think this product has ENUM in its future, there's no reason why UIFS doesn't. In addition, UIFS already offers some provisioning. And projected provisionability at "the end of 2002" is lightyears away, in Internet time. Global269's site offers a number lookup. FLOWERS, COLLECT, CALL ATT and THE CARD are not available. The site says, "If you are a Fortune 1000 company and your number is listed as unavailable, please contact ComoreTel." Warehousing? Whose rules? Who knows? Some points of interest from the site's Legal Policies page: Pre-Registration (initial two-year fee is $80, $160 for vanities) FUTURE ACTIVATION AND USE OF GLOBAL269 TOLL-FREE NUMBER. You acknowledge and agree that the underlying infrastructure and relationships necessary in order to allow ComoreTel to offer and you to activate and use ComoreTel's Global269 Toll-Free number are not yet in place and are subject to many contingencies. The use and activation of such number is not yet available. ComoreTel has not made, and does not herein make, any representation or warranty that such activation or use will be available either on a worldwide or a limited country by country basis. This Agreement, and the Services provided by ComoreTel hereunder, relate solely and exclusively to your registration of ComoreTel's Global269 Toll-Free number. The use and activation of ComoreTel's Global269 Toll-Free number and related long distance services will be expressly subject to, contingent upon and governed by a long distance activation agreement which you will enter into with ComoreTel when, and if, such services become available. The registration of a ComoreTel Global269 Toll-Free number under this Agreement creates no obligation, express or implied, on the part of ComoreTel to enter into a long distance activation agreement with you. Further, any future offer on the part of ComoreTel to enter into such a long distance activation agreement shall be subject to your credit worthiness. Dispute Resolution: GLOBAL269 TOLL-FREE NUMBER DISPUTES. You agree that, if your use of our Services is challenged by a third party, you will be subject to the terms of this Agreement, our dispute resolution process and our Privacy Policy in effect at the time of the dispute. You agree that in the event a dispute arises with any third party, you will indemnify and hold us harmless pursuant to the terms and conditions set forth below in this Agreement. If we are notified that a complaint has been filed with a judicial or administrative body regarding your use of our Services, we may not allow you to make changes to such record until (i) we are directed to do so by the judicial or administrative body, or (ii) we receive notification by you and any other party contesting your reservation and use of our Services that the dispute has been settled. Furthermore, you agree that if you are subject to litigation regarding your reservation and use of our Services, we may deposit control of your Global269 toll-free number record into the registry of the judicial or administrative body. Revocation and Right of Refusal: REVOCATION. You agree that we may terminate your contractual right to use our Service(s) if the information that you are obligated to provide to register your Global269 Toll-Free Number or register for other ComoreTel Service(s), or that you subsequently modify, contains false or misleading information, or conceals or omits any information we would likely consider material to our decision to reserve your Global269 Toll-Free Number or to continue to provide you Services. Furthermore, you agree that we may suspend, cancel or transfer your Global269 Toll-Free Number Registration Service in order to: (a) correct mistakes made by us in registering your chosen Global269 Toll-Free Number, or (b) to resolve a dispute under our Privacy Policy or dispute resolution process. We will not refund any fees paid by you if Service is terminated. RIGHT OF REFUSAL. We, in our sole discretion, reserve the right to refuse to register your chosen Global269 Toll-Free Number or register you for other Service(s), or to delete your Global269 Toll-Free Number within the first thirty (30) calendar days from receipt of your payment for such Services. In the event we do not reserve your Global269 Toll-Free Number or register you for other Service(s), or we delete your Global269 Toll-Free Number or other Service(s) within such thirty (30) calendar day period, we agree to refund any applicable fee(s) you have paid. You agree that we shall not be liable to you for loss or damages that may result from our refusal to register, the deletion your Global269 Toll-Free Number or refusal to register you for other Service(s). **** So you've got toll free that isn't branded as toll free, doesn't work anywhere as anything and never may, doesn't offer subscriber rights in the number -- and offers the worst, most contested elements of domain policies. *WebNum, from a Feb. 20 ICB Premium posting: "Users who visit VeriSign's WebNum site, www.webnum.com prior to May 1, 2001, will be able to register and use their existing telephone number (ETNs) at no charge until May 1, 2002." If there's an ETN, is there a NYTN - "not your telephone number"? YCTN - "your competitor's telephone number"? Verification doesn't appear to be part of the registration or Terms of Use. >From the website's glossary, "***ETN (Existing Telephone Number) [is] A WebNum product*** that matches personal phone numbers to DNS address of owners choice; e.g. e-mail or Web site. The ETN links a fully qualified international telephone number to information on the Internet..." So your existing phone number morphes into a WebNum (Verisign) product. Considering that Verisign claims "OWNERSHIP OF DATA: In connection with the Services provided, VeriSign may collect and maintain data and information related to the WebNum Beta Test Registration Services. All such data is the sole property of VeriSign unless otherwise mutually agreed to in writing," the morph seems a bit of a stretch. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- Judith Oppenheimer 212 684-7210, 1 800 The Expert Publisher, http://ICBTollFreeNews.com "An important source of inside information," says InfoWorld; "superb", "invaluable", "critically intelligent", "exceedingly useful", report ICB Premium Subscribers. ENTER HERE: http://www.roibot.com/w.cgi?R1764_sig - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---------- > > Date: 22 Mar 2001 14:29:42 -0500 > From: Dennis Moul > Subject: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? > > One of the marketing folks in my company forwarded an > email to me > advertising a global, single-number toll free service. > It appears that > they use a special "269" country code to accomplish > this. From > the USA you would dial "011-269-number", and from > other countries you > would use whatever prefix they have for international > dialing followed > by "269-number". > > The web site (www.global269.com) is short on details, > and mainly > focused on getting people to register new numbers in > the system (at > $40 a pop). Their only statement on rates is that they > will be > "competitive". > > A Google search turned up very little other than PR > materials from the > companies involved (ComoreTel and VeriSign). The only > interesting link > was to an ITU document at > http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/com2/dcontr/01-04/dc-jan01/11.html, > but access to it is password protected. > > My initial impression is that this is mostly a > "register lots of > people" scam, but the involvement of VeriSign and the > ITU makes me > think that maybe it's for real. Does anyone have more > information > about this? > > Cheers, > Dennis > > email:dmmst19@yahoo.com > > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #46 ******************************* Date: 24 Mar 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #47 Telecom Digest Saturday, March 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 047 In this issue: NorthPoint DSL to shut down The Endgame for DSL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Mar 2001 01:11:36 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: NorthPoint DSL to shut down http://www.northpoint.net/ Press Release March 22, 2001 On January 16, 2001, in the wake of Verizon's unexpected termination of our merger agreement, NorthPoint Communications filed for the protection of the United States Bankruptcy Court. We did this to ensure that we were able to provide uninterrupted service to you while we began a restructuring process and sought new sources of financing, including strategic partnerships, that would allow the company to continue to provide services as a going concern. Immediately upon filing for bankruptcy protection, we commenced a sale process under the supervision of the bankruptcy court in order to find a buyer for our company. At that time we also obtained debtor-in-possession financing to finance our operations through the sale process. At this point it is clear that the sale process to which we have dedicated much effort has not yielded long term financing, or a strategic partnership that will allow NorthPoint to continue its current level of operations. As a result, the cessation of services to our customers and the complete shut down of our network is imminent. We will take the following steps: 1) effective immediately all pending orders will be held until further notice and 2) effective March 23, 2001 we will no longer accept new orders and will cease all new service installations. We urge you to take immediate action to secure alternate services for your needs. We are currently negotiating with a group of our ISP partners for interim funding to support the migration of existing subscribers to alternate DSL service providers. Additional partners are welcome to join this discussion in order to facilitate the migration of their subscribers. Please call your NorthPoint account representative for more information. If we are unable to reach an agreement with our partners for interim funding to support the subscriber migration, we will immediately begin the shut down of our network. We will inform you of the outcome of these negotiations and the time frame for the eventual network shutdown as soon as information is available. We expect resolution within the next few days. We are disappointed and regret that we are unable to continue to provide you with services. I thank you for your past business and for your support of NorthPoint during these last few difficult months. Sincerely, Elizabeth Fetter President and Chief Executive Officer - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 01:11:44 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Endgame for DSL The Endgame for DSL Quicksilver Net service looked like such a hot business for new ventures, but NorthPoint just sold itself cheap to AT&T. Today's market belongs to Ma Bell and her babies. AT&T 's pending acquisition of NorthPoint Communications signals the end of one of the most promising upstarts in the business of offering super-fast Internet service through digital subscriber line technology. The failure of NorthPoint, which sold for $135 million, is a good opportunity for AT&T, but more importantly, it indicates that there is room for only a few companies to compete in the DSL market. http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,23100,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #47 ******************************* Date: 25 Mar 2001 06:15:14 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #48 Telecom Digest Sunday, March 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 048 In this issue: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? FWD: washingtonpost.com: Telecom Pioneer Files for Chapter 11 ETACS PHONES ETACS PHONES Beautiful gurgling effect. Metropolitan Opera Radio Network. WHRB-FM Harvard Radio 95.3 Re: Alert: 9-0-# Re: Alert: 9-0-# The Telecom Tango Cell phone jammers defy law ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 24 Mar 2001 12:37:06 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? On 23 Mar 2001 11:25:17 -0500, Mark J Cuccia wrote: > However, this number range is simply yet another toll-free range within > a specific country's domestic number range, just like 800/888/877/866/etc > are toll-free codes *within* +1 NANP, or (0)800 (followed by six->seven > digits) is toll-free *within* +44 United Kingdom. C'mon, Mark. I didn't expect this from you. You know better. :-) NPA 800 isn't *part* of the NANP. It's a *hack*, that lays on top and is implemented by the toll tandems. > Even though Global269/Comoros "claims" that +269-800- will be "free" > from "anywhere" in the world, I doubt that most telcos, International > Carriers, domestic LD carriers in various countries, etc. will > "necessarily" make it available and free from anywhere/everywhere. Me neither. Where *is* +800 in the implementation path, anyway? > The ITU also has established UIFN, Universal International Freephone, > using "country" code +800, followed by eight digits. Not all countries > in the world yet participate for originating access. Even the desired > terminating party/number/customer has to arrange or sepecify *which* > *available* originating countries *can* effectively dial and reach their > number. Ah. Ok. Thanks. (Such service. :-) > I have tried dialing some +800- UIFN numbers from time-to-time. When > dialed from the US, the local telco (which needs to have 011+800 > programmed into originating central office translations) hands the call > over to *my* inTER-LATA PIC, unless I dial a 101-XXXX+ CAC before > 011+800-. > > AT&T, MCI, Sprint recognize CC +800. Other carriers (which could be the > calling party/line's PIC) might *NOT* (yet) recognize CC +800. > > AT&T's OSPS switches (Operator/Card services) recognize CC +800 properly. > If I can't get thru to 011+800- under "usual" dialing methods, I can try > (101-0288)-01+800- (via OSPS), or use 800- dialup (800-CALL-ATT, etc), or > (101-0288)-00 access, etc. I can still get thru at no charge to me (except > maybe airtime/roaming if calling from cellular). > > But MCI, Sprint, etc., the last time I checked, don't recognize domestic/ > NANP-based 800/888/877/etc. when using their opr/card platform, much less > CC +800. > > Heck, many PBXes, cellulars, COCOTs/payphones, etc don't even properly > recognize/route/etc. NANP/DOMESTIC 800/888/877/etc. numbers! :( Heck, many [insert list of weird phones] don't even have uptodate NPA tables *for the local LATA* -- I have to report this *all* the time. > If CC +800 UIFN isn't really "universal", because one might be on a 011+ > restricted/blocked line or CPE, do you really expect +269-800- to be any > better? > > If I were to want a "global/worldwide" toll-free number, I'd simply get > ITU-based UIFN CC +800, and maybe some "domestic-based" (international > routed/terminated) toll-free numbers in the countries I would want access > from. Yep. > Mark J. Cuccia > mcuccia@tulane.edu > New Orleans LA What, you don't talk on the phone at all anymore? ;-) Cheers, - -- jr 'PTCYFLBKCM0 727-804 PrimeCo/VerizonW MTSO Tampa' a - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:26:56 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Wes Leatherock writes: >On 23 Mar 2001 18:53:01 -0500 Mike Maxfield wrote: >> >> Just to clarify... you say "Brentwood, California", but are you >> talking from firsthand knowledge that the Brentwood you are refering >> to is the Brentwood NEIGHBORHOOD in L.A. County, or the actual >> City of Brentwood, 94513, in Contra Costa County in Northern >> California? > > It was the Brentwood area of Los Angeles. I was not >aware of a Brentwood in Northern California. Neither were all the folks who flooded the "Brentwood, CA" post office with undeliverable mail a few years back when they were attempting to mail O.J. Simpson. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:33:53 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco Subject: FWD: washingtonpost.com: Telecom Pioneer Files for Chapter 11 ttp://washingtonpost.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+FTContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_FutureTenseContentServer=f3322ef0b2f5648c&articleid=A46402-2001Mar22&pagename=article http://washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A46402-2001Mar22?GXHC_gx_session_id_FutureTenseContentServer=f3322ef0b2f5648c&language=printer washingtonpost.com: Telecom Pioneer Files for Chapter 11 Telecom Pioneer Files for Chapter 11 E.spire Bankruptcy Called Start of Wave By Yuki Noguchi Washington Post Staff Writer Friday, March 23, 2001; Page E01 E.spire Communications Inc., a telecommunications pioneer that began chipping away at the Bell companies' local telephone monopoly three years before Congress sanctioned competition, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection yesterday. The fate of the Herndon firm, which helped establish the Washington area as a bastion of telecommunications competition, is symptomatic of the financial woes of an entire industry as well as the airtight state of the capital markets. <> E.spire's bankruptcy, though long anticipated, deals another blow to a deflated telecommunications industry, in which analysts predict several other local phone carriers will meet their demise this year. The carnage started last summer, when GST Telecommunications Inc., ICG Communications Inc. and Washington-based Nettel Communications Inc. filed for bankruptcy. Companies like Vienna-based Teligent Inc. and Herndon-based Net2000 Communications Inc. are seeking critical funding and their shares are trading at penny-stock prices, while even Wall Street favorites like XO Communications Inc. have suffered sharp declines in their stock price. <> The real losers in bankruptcies are the equity investors -- the people who were making a lot of paper profits off of technology and Internet stocks this time last year, Weil said. "Those are the ones who bought the concept of the Internet . . . the dream." <> More stories in TELECOM online at Washtech.com. (c) 2001 The Washington Post Company - -- To reply use the address below: ___ __ d_)--/d chessler usa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:57:25 -0500 From: "kyei" Subject: ETACS PHONES I am looking to purchase the following: (1) 3-Watt Mobile Cellular Telephones ( Handset, Cables, Transceivers) in the ETACS standard / format. (2) 3-Watt Transportable or "Bag" Cellular Telephones, in ETACS standard / format. The type I am looking for is usually for installation in a vehicle. Ideally they should be able to work directly off a 12-Volt DC power supply. I am looking primarily for Motorola models, but will consider any other models/makes. The phones must be in working order, they may be new, refurbished or used. They must meet the frequency specs listed below. ETACS: Rx: 916-949 Tx: 871-904 I am looking initially to purchase several hundred. Please forward information to: kyeiamponsah@hotmail.com Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:57:26 -0500 From: "kyei" Subject: ETACS PHONES I am looking to purchase the following: (1) 3-Watt Mobile Cellular Telephones ( Handset, Cables, Transceivers) in the ETACS standard / format. (2) 3-Watt Transportable or "Bag" Cellular Telephones, in ETACS standard / format. The type I am looking for is usually for installation in a vehicle. Ideally they should be able to work directly off a 12-Volt DC power supply. I am looking primarily for Motorola models, but will consider any other models/makes. The phones must be in working order, they may be new, refurbished or used. They must meet the frequency specs listed below. ETACS: Rx: 916-949 Tx: 871-904 I am looking initially to purchase several hundred. Please forward information to: kyeiamponsah@hotmail.com Thank you. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 18:59:08 -0500 From: dsaklad@zurich.ai.mit.edu (Don Saklad) Subject: Beautiful gurgling effect. Metropolitan Opera Radio Network. WHRB-FM Harvard Radio 95.3 Precisely what could have caused this afternoon's beautiful gurgling effect, an irregularity that briefly interrupted Metropolitan Opera Radio Network transmission via WHRB-FM Harvard radio 95.3 MHz ?... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:55:27 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# In article <3ABB8CC2.18160D5D@syntel.com>, Jonathan Seder wrote: > Is this true? Comments, anyone? > > Subject: Fwd: Telephone alert! > > I received a telephone call last evening from an individual > identifying himself as an AT&T Service technician who was conducting > a test on telephone lines. He stated that to complete the test I > should touch nine(9), zero(0), the pound sign (#), and then hang up. > Luckily, I was suspicious and refused. We're high tech. We don't tell ghost stories, we tell urban legends. > Upon contacting the telephone company, I was informed that by pushing > 90#, you give the requesting individual full access to your telephone > line, which enables them to place long distance calls billed to your > home phone number. I was further informed that this scam has been > originating from many local jails/prisons. How, exactly, can one perform this scam from a jail or prison, whence one can place only collect calls? OPERATOR: "I have a collect call for anyone from AT&T Technician. This call is originating from Azkaban State Prison. Do you accept the charges?" DOOFUS: "Yes, operator, I'll accept a call from AT&T." SCAMMER: "To complete this test, touch 90#. Thank you for using AT&T." > I have also verified this information with UCB Telecom, Pacific Bell, > MCI, Bell Atlantic and GTE. Please beware. DO NOT press 90# for > ANYONE. The GTE Security Department requested that I share this > information with EVERYONE I KNOW. Do you have a second line for your modem? Alternately, do you have a cellphone? Try it. Call your main line, answer, and touch 90#. All that happens on a residential phone is that you get an earful of DTMF tones. If anyone does ever call up and claim to be a techie and ask you to press 90#, you have one of the following situations: (1) A local juvenile has updated the old "Is your fridge running?" telephone gag. (2) A real scam artist is trying to identify people who are gullible enough to do ANYTHING he tells them to, for later use with a scam that will actually work. (3) Someone you know is pulling your leg for a joke -- like the person who e-mailed you this "warning message." If you're on a business system that allows transfers [see below], you can transfer the call to a friend and tell him or her to pretend to be an AT&T operator. The concept behind this urban legend is that some business phone systems will allow you to transfer an incoming call to an external number. You flash the switchhook to get dialtone, then dial the extension to transfer to, and then hang up to complete the transfer. To transfer to an outside line, dial 9 for an outside line, plus a number - -- in this case 0 for Operator plus a pound sign to tell the system that you've finished dialing -- and then hang up. However, even most phone systems that allow transfers to outside lines will catch a bare 0 as the transferred number. I agree with the other poster who commented that almost anything that says "TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW" is a fraud -- so tell everyone you know not to pass along anything that says "tell everyone you know".... - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 01:41:41 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# Linc Madison writes: >From: Linc Madison >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# >Date: 24 Mar 2001 21:55:27 -0500 >Lines: 73 > >The concept behind this urban legend is that some business phone >systems will allow you to transfer an incoming call to an external >number. You flash the switchhook to get dialtone, then dial the >extension to transfer to, and then hang up to complete the transfer. To >transfer to an outside line, dial 9 for an outside line, plus a number >-- in this case 0 for Operator plus a pound sign to tell the system >that you've finished dialing -- and then hang up. > >However, even most phone systems that allow transfers to outside lines >will catch a bare 0 as the transferred number. This evening, I had dinner with an old friend in Cambridge, not far from M.I.T. and Harvard. In the course of our conversation, he related a story which dates back to the early 1960s or so. Then, as now, both M.I.T. and Harvard each maintained fairly large PBXs. These allowed easy internal dialling between 4-digit extensions within each school, although calls from outside into either school had to be handled by operators (no DID). Because of the amount of telephone traffic between the schools, there was a way to dial a two-digit prefix and get dialtone on the other school's PBX. As my friend related the story, a student decided to try an 'experiment' (also known as a 'hack' in M.I.T. parlance) by dialling M.I.T.'s two-digit code to obtain a Harvard dialtone -- and then dialling Harvard's two-digit code to obtain an M.I.T. dialtone. He repeated this process until he had busied all of the available trunks between the two schools, at which point he shorted the loop inside the phone he was using, replaced the cover on the phone, and walked away leaving the schools' switch technicians to figure out why all of the tie-line trunks were occupied with long duration calls and, ultimately, to how unravel the mess. Now, this was before my time, so I am not sure if this really happened or was the campus equivalent of an urban legend. Cheers, The Old Bear - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 03:19:58 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: The Telecom Tango The Telecom Tango Like a shopaholic rummaging through department-store bins, AT&T yesterday picked up DSL provider NorthPoint Communications for a rock-bottom $135 million. The press largely saw the move as a step up for the former Ma Bell's nearly nonexistent high-speed Internet service, though AT&T also said it plans to use NorthPoint's networks for voice telephone service. (And AT&T can't return the company without a receipt if NorthPoint turns out to be not so flattering in natural light.) http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,23079,00.html - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 03:25:02 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Cell phone jammers defy law Cell phone jammers defy law Illegal mobile phone blockers sold to frustrated Americans By Gary Krakow MSNBC Mar. 21 - Nearly everyone has been annoyed at a cell phone ringing at an inopportune moment or someone blabbing away in public. Many people would love to block the signals if they could - but doing so in America is illegal. So you might be surprised to learn that not only are cell phone jamming devices being sold to frustrated folks in the United States, but that MSNBC.com has been told one purchaser is the U.S. government. http://www.msnbc.com/news/544178.asp - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #48 ******************************* Date: 26 Mar 2001 06:15:11 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #49 Telecom Digest Monday, March 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 049 In this issue: Re: Cell phone jammers defy law Re: Cell phone jammers defy law Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock Tying up the tie lines (was Re: Alert: 9-0-#) Radio Shack Announces "SpamFax" Receiver? Re: Alert: 9-0-# Re: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock Re: Cell phone jammers defy law ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 25 Mar 2001 13:10:57 -0500 From: "Ed Ellers" Subject: Re: Cell phone jammers defy law Monty Solomon quoted from an MSNBC story by Gary Krakow: "So you might be surprised to learn that not only are cell phone jamming devices being sold to frustrated folks in the United States, but that MSNBC.com has been told one purchaser is the U.S. government." It's worth noting that the FCC has no jurisdiction over other Federal agencies. Normally, frequency assignments for Federal civilian agencies (even the FCC's own communications systems) are handled by the Intergovernmental Radio Advisory Committee, but if a Federal agency did decide to operate a jammer the FCC couldn't do anything about it. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 13:15:47 -0500 From: tweek@fnord.io.com (Mike Maxfield) Subject: Re: Cell phone jammers defy law Monty Solomon writes: > >Cell phone jammers defy law >Illegal mobile phone blockers sold to frustrated Americans >By Gary Krakow [...] > but that MSNBC.com has been told one purchaser is >the U.S. government. Which by itself means nothing. We don't know if the US Govt plans to use this stuff domestically (if they even intend to _use_ it) or if some black agency like the CIA perhaps plans to use it for a foreign government takedown sometime in the future... or perhaps it's a branch of the military... planing to use it deep inside the Nellis ranges (Area 51 et al) the military doesn't answer to the FCC... the government has its own frequency coordinating agency. Or perhaps their plans aren't for operational use at all, but for use as legal documentation against the selling these non-approved devices within the states to citizens of the states... just like cops who while on duty wind up buying crack on the streets, or soliciting hookers, or buying illegal guns. - -- tweek@io.com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 13:54:58 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Re: Global269 worldwide toll free - for real? In article <9a9v6.92557$lj4.2641153@news6.giganews.com>, Mike Maxfield wrote: > Wes Leatherock writes: > >On 23 Mar 2001 18:53:01 -0500 Mike Maxfield wrote: > >> > >> Brentwood NEIGHBORHOOD in L.A. County [vs.] actual City of > >> Brentwood, 94513, in Contra Costa County in Northern California? > > > > It was the Brentwood area of Los Angeles. I was not > >aware of a Brentwood in Northern California. > > Neither were all the folks who flooded the "Brentwood, CA" post > office with undeliverable mail a few years back when they were > attempting to mail O.J. Simpson. I saw a magazine ad the other day that was made to look like the outside of the magazine with an address label. The address on the "label" was in Los Angeles, CA, with a plausible ZIP Code, but the actual bar code above it was 94108, which is the Chinatown area of San Francisco. My guess is that the ad agency didn't figure on people who can read postal bar codes by sight.... Back to telephone-related stuff, though, neither Brentwood exists as a rate center, making it quite confusing. The NorCal Brentwood is part of East Contra Costa rate center, I believe; I'm not sure about the SoCal Brentwood -- Santa Monica? - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 14:17:12 -0500 From: Monty Solomon Subject: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock Excerpt from Risks Digest 21.29 http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.29.html#subj9 - ------------------------------ Date: 20 Mar 2001 10:04:50 -0800 From: Eric Hanchrow Subject: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock My cell phone -- a Nokia 8260 -- has lots of information in it that I wouldn't want divulged. Examples: phone numbers of friends, my calling-card number, a detailed record of all the calls, text messages, and e-mail messages that I've made or received. And, of course, I certainly wouldn't want anyone who got hold of my phone to be able to place calls with it, thus forcing me to pay for them. Until recently, I assumed that the phone's "lock" feature would indeed protect the information and prevent unauthorized use. However, I now believe that that feature is close to worthless. Here's how it's supposed to work: The phone stores two secret numbers, which act essentially as keys. One number, called the "security code", is like a master key, in that if you know this number, you don't need the other; the other, called the "lock code", is like a regular key. You can set the phone up to "lock" itself as soon as you turn it off. This means that, the next time you turn it on, the phone will be unable to place calls until you enter the lock code. Thus the lock code appears to protect the information -- you can't poke around in the phone's menu system to read the information while the phone is locked -- and to protect against unauthorized use, since you can't place calls while the phone is locked. Now, there's a handy feature built into the phone that will save you if you've forgotten the lock code, but still remember the security code: merely enter the wrong lock code five times in a row, and the phone will then ask for the security code. Once you enter the security code, the phone unlocks, and you can then change the lock code to something you will remember. So if you know the security code, you don't need the lock code. Surely, you can see where I'm headed: I've discovered that it's trivially easy to find out the phone's security code, even if you don't know the lock code, even if the phone is locked. All you need to do is turn the phone on, enter a magic string of digits and symbols (which I won't divulge here, but which is *very easy* to find on the web), and then scroll through an undocumented menu hierarchy until you find a menu called "security". Once you select that menu, the phone displays its security code. You then turn the phone off and on, enter the wrong lock code five times in a row, enter the security code when prompted, and the phone is now yours. - ------------------------------ - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 14:56:04 -0500 From: Linc Madison Subject: Tying up the tie lines (was Re: Alert: 9-0-#) In article , The Old Bear wrote: > Then [early 1960s or so], as now, both M.I.T. and Harvard each > maintained fairly large PBXs. These allowed easy internal dialling > between 4-digit extensions within each school, although calls from > outside into either school had to be handled by operators (no DID). > Because of the amount of telephone traffic between the schools, there > was a way to dial a two-digit prefix and get dialtone on the other > school's PBX. > > As my friend related the story, a student decided to try an > 'experiment' (also known as a 'hack' in M.I.T. parlance) by dialling > M.I.T.'s two-digit code to obtain a Harvard dialtone -- and then > dialling Harvard's two-digit code to obtain an M.I.T. dialtone. He > repeated this process until he had busied all of the available trunks > between the two schools, at which point he shorted the loop inside > the phone he was using, replaced the cover on the phone, and walked > away leaving the schools' switch technicians to figure out why all of > the tie-line trunks were occupied with long duration calls and, > ultimately, to how unravel the mess. > > Now, this was before my time, so I am not sure if this really > happened or was the campus equivalent of an urban legend. I don't know about the tying up every available trunk and then leaving the whole mess part, but when I was in school in the mid-1980s, we had three-digit codes to transfer from the student dorms to the faculty offices or to the satellite campus. It was definitely possible to dial 121-125-121-125-121-125-121, but I think that's about as deep as we ever went, and we didn't ever try to leave the web in place for any noticeable duration. I also don't know if the system detected and eliminated the redundant links. I think it didn't, because I recall the audio quality as being noticeably degraded. I do know that for a while it would not let you dial 9-452-XXXX for anything that you could dial as 121-XXXX; they relaxed that one because it was not unusual to get fast busy on dialing 121, and they were concerned about a student's being unable to reach the campus emergency number. The other interesting footnote on that part is that there were some off-campus 452-XXXX numbers; those were never blocked. (For instance, the local S.P.R.I.N.T. access number was 452-0100. That's S.P.R.I.N.T. as in Southern Pacific Railroad Internal Network Telecommunications, before GTE got involved.) They've since integrated the student dorms and faculty offices into a single system with a single NXX. The satellite campus, though, was across an area code boundary (even back then), even though it was a 7D local call and only about five miles away. Still, I'm sure that it is still off in its own separate system, but perhaps with some improvement in the switching software. - -- LincMad dot Com * North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits Preferred Reply Address: Telecom # LincMad * Com - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 15:30:38 -0500 From: "A. E. Siegman" Subject: Radio Shack Announces "SpamFax" Receiver? (Tongue in cheek -- or dream wish list in hand) - ------- Raydio Shak announced today their new $19.95 "SpamFax Receiver" intended for homes and small offices plagued by the increasing number of unsolicited "spam" fax messages transmitted by advertisers using either commercially available lists of fax numbers harvested by telecom marketers or automated machines which "troll" phone lines at random, seeking unlisted fax numbers. When attached to a regular voice or fax line, the SpamFax product can be programmed to answer the line during selected hours, such as nights, weekends, or simply outside of business hours, and respond as a simulated fax machine to incoming fax messags. Using simplified character recognition technology, the "SpamFax" then extracts any 1-800 or other toll-free numbers contained in the incoming message and autodials back to those numbers, requesting that the SpamFax's own number be removed from the company's distribution list. To ensure that this message is received by the unauthorized spammer, the SpamFax can be programmed to retransmit these cancellation messages repeatedly at random intervals for up to 200 times. "The problem with spam fax messages," said Tanndy VP Hal O. Again, "is not just that they consume fax paper and supplies for thousands of recipients who have no interest in the product or service being advertised. It's also that they cost the spammer almost nothing, and there is really no effective way of responding to, much less preventing, these unwanted transmissions. The SpamFax devices offers at least a partial solution to these characteristics. " - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 25 Mar 2001 15:47:56 -0500 From: Andrew Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# The Old Bear wrote: > As my friend related the story, a student decided to try an 'experiment' > (also known as a 'hack' in M.I.T. parlance) by dialling M.I.T.'s > two-digit code to obtain a Harvard dialtone -- and then dialling Harvard's > two-digit code to obtain an M.I.T. dialtone. He repeated this process > until he had busied all of the available trunks between the two schools, John Draper and his buddies tried something like this, except he used Ma Bell switches between different cities. http://www.webcrunchers.com/crunch/Play/history/flukes.html Andrew - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 01:01:33 -0500 From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net (Steve Sobol) Subject: Re: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock >From 'Monty Solomon': >Excerpt from Risks Digest 21.29 > > http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.29.html#subj9 Yup. I suspect this is true of other brands too. My solution is to never assume the info in the phone is secure, and to not store stuff in the phone that I wouldn't want other people seeing. - -- Steven J. Sobol/CTO/JustThe.net LLC | sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net SAY IT LOUD: I'M GEEK AND I'M PROUD! | 888.480.4NET (4638) 216.619.2NET (2638) http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net | http://ClevelandProductions.com http://JustThe.net | Powered by Linux, pizza, Coke, Cuervo, and cheap beer. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 01:15:57 -0500 From: Louis RAPHAEL Subject: Re: Cell phone jammers defy law My guess is that they're probably not illegal to own, but only illegal to operate. BTW, the CRTC is considering making these devices legal in limited circumstances. - --L Mike Maxfield wrote: : Or perhaps their plans aren't for operational use at all, but for use : as legal documentation against the selling these non-approved devices : within the states to citizens of the states... just like cops who : while on duty wind up buying crack on the streets, or soliciting : hookers, or buying illegal guns. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ End of Telecom Digest V2001 #49 ******************************* Date: 27 Mar 2001 06:15:10 -0500 From: owner-telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org (Telecom Digest) To: telecom-digest@telecom-digest.org Subject: Telecom Digest V2001 #50 Telecom Digest Tuesday, March 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 050 In this issue: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down Telecom Update (Canada) #276, March 26, 2001 Telecom Update (Canada) #276a, March 26, 2001 Re: Alert: 9-0-# Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down Western Electric in 1915 Re: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock 3/26/01 ICBTollFreeNews.Com HEADS UP HEADLINES FWD: washingtonpost.com: An Imploding Telecom Sector Tests Darwinism Your Next Move. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 26 Mar 2001 11:18:21 -0500 From: Barry Margolin Subject: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down In article , Monty Solomon wrote: >At this point it is clear that the sale process to which we have >dedicated much effort has not yielded long term financing, or a strategic >partnership that will allow NorthPoint to continue its current level of >operations. As a result, the cessation of services to our customers and >the complete shut down of our network is imminent. Was this press release written before AT&T purchased Northpoint? If not, what was the point of AT&T purchasing them, if the network is just going to be shut down and the customers sent to other ISPs? - -- Barry Margolin, barmar@genuity.net Genuity, Burlington, MA *** DON'T SEND TECHNICAL QUESTIONS DIRECTLY TO ME, post them to newsgroups. Please DON'T copy followups to me -- I'll assume it wasn't posted to the group. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 11:32:33 -0500 From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) Subject: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down Barry Margolin wrote: > what was the point of AT&T purchasing them, if the network is just going to > be shut down and the customers sent to other ISPs? Firesale prices on hardware and colo space, I suspect. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 11:38:05 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Group Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #276, March 26, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 276: March 26, 2001 Publication of Telecom Update is made possible by generous financial support from: AT&T Canada ...................... http://www.attcanada.com/ Bell Canada ............................ http://www.bell.ca/ C1 Communications ......... http://www.c1communications.com/ Cisco Systems Canada ................. http://www.cisco.com/ Lucent Technologies Canada ........... http://www.lucent.ca/ Norigen ............................ http://www.norigen.com/ Sprint Canada .................. http://www.sprintcanada.ca/ ************************************************************ IN THIS ISSUE: ** BCE Raises $4 Billion, Slashes Debt ** Lavin Buys Delphi ** GT Says C1 Deal May Fall Through ** Bell Wins Local Rate Appeal ** Telus Mobility to Offer AOL ** CRTC Asked to Mandate Enhanced 9-1-1 ** Lakehead U to Showcase Nortel IP PBX ** Rogers@Home Cable Breaks Again ** @Home Users' Group Expands Scope ** Amdocs to Unify Telus Wireless Billing ** RIM Adds Calendar Connectivity ** Rogers Wireless Targets Youth ** Norigen to Offer Hotel Broadband ** Consultants Elect New Board, Officers ** SkyWave Buys Station 12 Inmarsat Assets ** Wi-LAN to Buy U.S. Wireless Company ** Ontario to Hold Community Networking Conference ** Stream, Mississauga Sign for Fibre in Sewers ** Total Telcom Completes Alberta Fibre Link ** Angus Examines Telecom's Turmoil ============================================================ BCE RAISES $4 BILLION, SLASHES DEBT: BCE has taken advantage of forward contracts it arranged last year to sell 80% of its remaining Nortel shares for $4.4 Billion, four times the shares' current market value. Part of the money will pay off debts BCE incurred to buy Teleglobe and CTV. ** BCE CEO Jean Monty's total compensation in 2000, including proceeds from cashing share options, was $27.8 Million. LAVIN BUYS DELPHI: A Delphi Solutions representative told this weekend's CTCA conference that the company has been purchased by telecom entrepreneur Ed Lavin. Delphi, which was acquired by now-bankrupt Cannect Communications last year, is a corporate descendant of CTG Inc, the interconnect company Lavin founded in 1980 and sold to British Telecom in 1985. GT SAYS C1 DEAL MAY FALL THROUGH: Group Telecom says that C1 Communications may not carry out its October 2000 agreement to sell its Atlantic Canada assets to GT by March 30. (See Telecom Update #254) BELL WINS LOCAL RATE APPEAL: In December, Bell Canada filed an appeal against a CRTC decision that denied rate increases for optional local calling services. (See Telecom Update #265) CRTC Order 2001-253 accepts Bell's argument and approves the increases. Commissioner Langford dissented, saying the reversal leaves consumers "vulnerable to price gouging." TELUS MOBILITY TO OFFER AOL: Telus Mobility plans to offer AOL Mobile and AOL Instant Messenger services on all its data-equipped handsets. CRTC ASKED TO MANDATE ENHANCED 9-1-1: Microcell Telecommunications has asked the CRTC to direct Bell Canada, MTT, NBTel, IslandTel, SaskTel, and MTS to file tariffs and supporting agreements to enable wireless carriers to provide enhanced 9-1-1 service on the same terms as those already approved for Telus. (See Telecom Update #269, 275) http://www.crtc.gc.ca/PartVII/Eng/2001/8669/M16-01.htm LAKEHEAD U TO SHOWCASE NORTEL IP PBX: Thunder Bay's Lakehead University will be home to the first Canadian installation of Nortel's Succession IP PBX. Bell Canada will install a CSE 1000 and up to 2,000 IP phones at the university this year ROGERS@HOME CABLE BREAKS AGAIN: On March 23 a Rogers cable that was severed two weeks ago the cable was cut again, halting service to some 300,000 Ontario Rogers@Home customers for about four hours. (See Telecom Update #274) @HOME USERS' GROUP EXPANDS SCOPE: The Rogers@Home Users' Association has been renamed the Residential Broadband Users' Association. It will now address all forms of high-speed residential Internet access in Canada. http://www.rhua.org AMDOCS TO UNIFY TELUS WIRELESS BILLING: Telus Mobility will use Amdocs software to unify the customer relations services of its wireless networks across Canada. (See Telecom Update #269) RIM ADDS CALENDAR CONNECTIVITY: Research In Motion's BlackBerry Enterprise Server now provides wireless synchronization between users' on-line calendars and their BlackBerry handhelds. ROGERS WIRELESS TARGETS YOUTH: Rogers AT&T's new youth- oriented service, iD Wireless, includes a mobile phone, text messaging and e-mail, and special member services. The handset sells for $199; airtime charges start at $30/month. http://www.my-id.com NORIGEN TO OFFER HOTEL BROADBAND: Norigen Communications plans to offer GuestTek Interactive Entertainment's high- speed hotel-room Internet access as part of its portfolio of services to hotels. CONSULTANTS ELECT NEW BOARD, OFFICERS: The Canadian Telecommunications Consultants Association elected new officers and directors at its annual meeting in Calgary last week. The new Board is: President, John Glover (Maynestay Consulting); Vice Presidents, Betty Hodkinson (DMR) and Mike Dunne (Angus Dortmans Associates); Secretary-Treasurer, Robert Eveleigh (eLoyalty Canada); Directors, Mike Moszynski (KPMG), Arthur Schwartz (A.B. Schwartz and Associates), Don Sheppard (Consensus Consulting Services). SKYWAVE BUYS STATION 12 INMARSAT ASSETS: SkyWave Mobile Communications of Ottawa, which provides satellite-based asset-management services, has bought the Inmarsat assets of Netherlands-based Station 12. WI-LAN TO BUY U.S. WIRELESS COMPANY: Wi-LAN Inc. has agreed to buy California-based UC Wireless for about $10 Million. Both companies make fixed wireless networks. ONTARIO TO HOLD COMMUNITY NETWORKING CONFERENCE: Ontario's Ministry of Energy, Science and Technology and Connecting Niagara are holding a conference on "Partnering in Broadband Community Networks" in Niagara-on-the-Lake, June 18-19. Contact Shirley Hornich, shornich@niagarac.on.ca. STREAM, MISSISSAUGA SIGN FOR FIBRE IN SEWERS: The City of Mississauga has signed a master agreement with Stream Intelligent Networks permitting Stream to install fibre cable in Mississauga municipal sewers. (See Telecom Update #260) TOTAL TELCOM COMPLETES ALBERTA FIBRE LINK: Edmonton-based Total Telcom is offering service over its new 622 Mbps fibre link between Edmonton and Grande Prairie, Alberta. ANGUS EXAMINES TELECOM'S TURMOIL: In the April issue of Telemanagement, available this week, Ian Angus explains how a financial crunch and a capacity glut have triggered a worldwide telecom shake-up. 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Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 14:21:30 -0500 From: Angus TeleManagement Subject: Telecom Update (Canada) #276a, March 26, 2001 ************************************************************ TELECOM UPDATE Angus TeleManagement's Weekly Telecom Newsbulletin http://www.angustel.ca Number 276a: March 26, 2001 CLARIFICATION: Delphi Solutions has asked us to add the following to our report in the current issue of Telecom Update: An investment group led by Ed Lavin has signed an agreement to purchase Delphi, but the acquisition is subject to court approval and will not be completed until that approval is received. ************************************************************ JOHN RIDDELL jriddell@angustel.ca Angus TeleManagement Group http://www.angustel.ca 8 Old Kingston Road Tel: 905-686-5050 x226 Ajax Ontario L1T 2Z7 Canada Fax: 905-686-2655 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:29:12 -0500 From: jra@router-up.msas.net (Jay R. Ashworth) Subject: Re: Alert: 9-0-# On 24 Mar 2001 21:55:27 -0500, Linc Madison wrote: > call is originating from Azkaban State Prison. Do you accept the Cheers, - -- jra - -- Jay R. Ashworth jra@baylink.com Member of the Technical Staff Baylink The Suncoast Freenet The Things I Think Tampa Bay, Florida http://baylink.pitas.com +1 727 804 5015 - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 15:58:45 -0500 From: wollman@lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Subject: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down In article , Barry Margolin wrote: >Was this press release written before AT&T purchased Northpoint? If not, >what was the point of AT&T purchasing them, if the network is just going to >be shut down and the customers sent to other ISPs? According to statements from AT&T and by stock-market analysts, AT&T wanted Northpoint's infrastructure in order to offer its own *retail* DSL service, so that AT&T's consumer ISP operation will be able to offer high-speed access in areas not served by AT&T Cable. This will become more important to them when the entire consumer business is spun off later this year. See, for example, . - -GAWollman - -- Garrett A. Wollman | O Siem / We are all family / O Siem / We're all the same wollman@lcs.mit.edu | O Siem / The fires of freedom Opinions not those of| Dance in the burning flame MIT, LCS, CRS, or NSA| - Susan Aglukark and Chad Irschick - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 16:18:30 -0500 From: oldbear@arctos.com (The Old Bear) Subject: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) writes: >From: roy@panix.com (Roy Smith) >Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom >Subject: Re: NorthPoint DSL to shut down >Date: 26 Mar 2001 11:32:33 -0500 > >Barry Margolin wrote: >> >> what was the point of AT&T purchasing them, if the network is just going to >> be shut down and the customers sent to other ISPs? > >Firesale prices on hardware and colo space, I suspect. Also, I suspect that ATT wanted to be able to pick and choose among the customer contracts with the freedom to drop or re-negotiate at will. I'd be interested if ATT bought the customer list without the customer contracts. As I understand the unbundled element provision of our ILEC, the fact that a customer has an existing circuit which the ILEC provided to one xDSL provider does not mean that that circuit can be moved to another xDSL provider. I believe the new xDSL provider has to order up a whole new circuit. Therefore, it's entirely possible that ATT will have some circuits with customers on the end who have no customer contracts. Not a bad position to be in if you want to abandon the losers and adjust your rates on the winners -- who are over a barrel waiting for someone else to get the ILEC to deliver a new loop. Just speculation on my part. - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 17:52:47 -0500 From: "McCarthy, Mike" Subject: Western Electric in 1915 > Dear Pat, > I just ran across your 1996 note about the history of Western Electric > while doing some online research on the Eastland disaster. > I have never seen any information about Alexander Graham Bell and his > wife visiting the Hawthorne plant the summer of the disaster. Very > interesting. > Can you please tell me what the source of that information is, as I'm > interested in learning as much as I can about Western Electric at the time > of the Eastland accident? > > Thanks very much, > Mike McCarthy > > - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 26 Mar 2001 21:34:53 -0500 From: "Johnnie Leung" Subject: Re: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock "Monty Solomon" wrote in message news:v04220807b6e3f31151ab@[32.227.60.121]... > Excerpt from Risks Digest 21.29 > > http://catless.ncl.ac.uk/Risks/21.29.html#subj9 > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: 20 Mar 2001 10:04:50 -0800 > From: Eric Hanchrow > Subject: Nokia cell phone trivially easy to unlock > > My cell phone -- a Nokia 8260 -- has lots of Now that's an AMPS/D-AMPS phone. Does anyone know if it applies to Nokia's GSM phones too? JL - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. 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A ruthless restructuring has moved into its final phase in the past 10 days as three local telecom companies threw in the towel, starting what is projected to be the biggest industry implosion since real estate developers took down the savings and loan industry a decade ago. <> These are the first victims of an epidemic that by some estimates could wipe out more than a thousand telecommunications providers in the next few years. The word "decimate" doesn't begin to describe it. Decimate means eliminating 1 in 10. The telecom carnage is expected to be the flip side of that: 1 in 10 will survive, maybe only 1 in 100, by the most pessimistic estimates. <> A crucial difference is that government-insured financial institutions did not put up the money for the telecom bust, so taxpayers will not be forced to pick up the tab. The money this time came from Wall Street, from institutional investors such as pension funds and insurance companies and, to a lesser extent, from individual investors who bought stocks in promising new companies. <> Most companies that issued such bonds were counting on refinancing the debt by the time the interest payments had to be made. That can't be done today, because no one's willing to buy telecom bonds, another example of the vicious cycle cited by Said. Jerry Knight's e-mail address is knightj@washpost.com © 2001 The Washington Post Company - -- To reply use the address below: ___ __ d_)--/d chessler usa.net - -- The Telecom Digest is currently mostly robomoderated. Please mail messages to editor@telecom-digest.org. ------------------------------ Date: 27 Mar 2001 04:17:51 -0500 From: Simon Fletcher Subject: Your Next Move. Please accept our apologies if this is not considered an appropriate posting for this forum. 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