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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 16 Nov 99 01:20:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 551

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Too Good to be True, I Guess (TELECOM Digest Editor)
    Please Help Identify Phone Location (D. Stakey)
    Re: Country Code Question (David Perussel)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Cortland Richmond)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Brett Frankenberger)
    Re: AT&T Puts 800-555-1212 Up for Sale! (John David Galt)
    Guam, Saipan, American Samoa (Re: Country Code Question) (Mark J. Cuccia)
    Is the Right of Freedom of Speech in Jeopardy? (Mike Jenkins)
    Re: That Foreign Country Between Arizona and Texas (Kim Brennan)
    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (Bill Levant)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (lightgrw)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Peter Dubuque)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (John Levine)
    Channelbanks Question (Frederik Delvael)
    Re: 3-2-1-Rrring! (Tony Pelliccio)
    >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Bill Levant)

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:58:31 EST
From: TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Too Good to be True, I Guess


Has anyone else been having trouble using the free phone call in
exchange for advertisements of http://www.dialpad.com recently?

The first couple times I tried it, around two or three weeks ago,
it worked quite well. Now for the past week or so, anytime I try
to use it, it takes a LONG time for the java applet to appear, and
sometimes it never does open correctly. No matter what I dial, I
get a short burst of busy tone and that is all. Then to make
matters worse, the button on the right side which is supposed to
alternate between 'dial' and 'hangup' gets stuck in the 'hangup'
mode and won't return to where I can dial a second time without
exiting the applet and calling it up a second time. One day I
got a reply on the little window saying 'no circuits' but usually
I get nothing at all.

I was told by someone that the service received a couple million
signups in less than a month. Is that true? Maybe that is why I
cannot reach it any longer. :(


PAT

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 21:08:40 -0500
From: D. Stakey <dstakey@optonline.net>
Subject: Please Help Identify Phone Location


I've been trying to locate the exact location of what I believe to be
a public phone. Can you possibly help? It's pretty important. The
number is (330) 385-0019. Should it be private, then the name and
address would be a BIG help.


Thank you!

David

------------------------------

From: bbscornerSPAMBLOCK@juno.com (David Perrusel)
Subject: Re: Country Code Question
Organization: The BBS Corner / Diamond Mine On-Line
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:24:47 GMT


The Northern Marianas Islands and Guam are now part of the NANP (North
American Numbering Plan) as of 1 July 1997. They now have area codes
670 and 671 respectively. Before they joined the NANP, these were
country codes +670 and +671.

American Samoa has not yet joined the NANP, though rumor has it they
plan on doing so soon (maybe in 2000?)

They are still county code +684 at this time, though they will
probably become area code 684 if and when they do join the NANP.


David Perrusel
Webmaster - Telephone World
http://phworld.tal-on.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 15:21:11 -0800
From: Cortland Richmond <Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com>
Organization: Alcatel USA
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?


There are some exceptions to the rule preventing disclosure of radio
transmissions. Amateur Radio is one of them.

However, emissions from Part 15 unintentional radiators are NOT
transmissions protected by law, in fact, they are limited by law.

Part 15 devices are, of course, not protected from being interfered
with. They "must accept" interference. Likely, one could make a hobby
of listening to part 15 unintentional radiators, too, and escape
punishment.

Those of us with training in TEMPEST methods are prevented from
revealing or confirming how this is done, but that is because the
techniques themselves may be classified.


Cortland

On Sun, 14 Nov 1999 11:39:30 EST Michael J Kuras (mkuras@ccs.neu.edu)
wrote:

> So what's different about stray EMI? Can someone simply tune it in and
> do what they want with it? Sure there are laws against cellphone
> tapping, but that forbids interception of a specific frequency for a
> specific purpose.

> In general, however, I'd imagine that whatever EMF's are floating
> around in the public domain are simply that: public domain.

And Pat answered:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: However, the Federal Communication
> Commission *does* have a law saying that you may not *deliberatly*
> intercept transmissions not intended for yourself, and that regards
> those you do overhear or see, you may not, under the law, acknowledge
> their existence or the contents therein. So while I can watch my
> television or listen to the radio and tell you about what I saw or
> heard -- these are *broadcasts intended for public consumption* --
> I cannot legally tell you what I overheard on my police scanner or
> my amateur radio reciever. Nor am I permitted to use such the contents
> of such transmissions to my own benefit; for example I overhear two
> persons discussing some business transaction and then take action to
> jinx the transaction or do it myself before the others have a chance.

------------------------------

From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: 15 Nov 1999 22:19:48 GMT
Organization: rbfnet


In article <telecom19.550.5@telecom-digest.org>, Anthony Argyriou
<anthony@alphageo.com> wrote:

> However, there are some precendents regarding ownership of EM
> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
> power company sued, successfully.

I've heard this story and never bothered to check if it's a bogus urban
legend or if it actually happened.  Regardless, the case wouldn't be
about 60Hz EM radiation.  The portion of the power that is radiated is
very small, and once it's radiated, it's gone forever from the power
company, regardless of whether it ends up being harnessed by a farmer,
heating the earth, or propogating off into space.  They'd have a tough
time claiming ownership of power that they routinely and knowingly
transmit away from their lines.

The stealing would be as a result of the farmer harnessing the *static*
EM field created by the power lines.  A direct result of that would be
an additional, measurable, loss of power from the transmission lines
(there would be an additional voltage "drop"[1] near the barn).


 -- Brett

------------------------------

From: John_David_Galt@acm.org
Organization: Association for Computing Machinery
Subject: Re: AT&T Puts 800-555-1212 Up for Sale!
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:58:45 GMT


Eli Mantel wrote:

> The title of AT&T's recent press release, "AT&T Migrates Toll Free
> Listings to the Web" http://www.att.com/press/item/0,1354,2250,00.html
> hides the more significant news, which is that AT&T is asking the FCC
> to let it drop its toll-free directory assistance service effective
> March 31, 2000.

> AT&T's rationale for dropping this service is the economic
> impracticality of offering the service due to the fact that there are
> about 17 million unlisted toll-free numbers as compared to 2 million
> toll-free numbers listed with toll-free directory assistance.

> Nothing in the press release indicates just what AT&T proposes to do
> with the number if their request is granted, but I've got to imagine
> that there are a variety of ways to make money with this service.

Many different carriers, both IXC and LEC, already have their own (or
contract) bureaus in different parts of the country that you may reach
when dialing an ordinary area code + 555-1212.  Why should 800-555-1212
be any different?

If AT&T chooses no longer to provide this service, I'm sure that other
providers will be glad to do it.  The number should NOT be considered
available for new uses, or 800-555-xxxx will become as unusable as area
code 700.


John David Galt

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:17:34 -0600
From: Mark J. Cuccia <mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Guam, Saipan, American Samoa (Re: Country Code Question)


As of July 1997, Guam (+671) as well as Saipan and the Northern
Mariana Islands (+670) became part of the North American Numbering
Plan (NANP), aka World Zone '1', or Country Code +1.

The Summer of 1997 began a period of "permissive" dialing from
the world, as either their old "country" code, or under WZ-1.

As of July 1998, the WZ/Country Code +1 or NANP dialing procedure
became MANDATORY:

(00)+670 became (00)+1-670 for Saipan / Northern Mariana Island
(00)+671 became (00)+1-671 for Guam

As for American Samoa, their ITU Country Code is still +684.

There is a possibility that they too will become incorporated into
WZ +1, the NANP, in two to three years, thus they could become
+1-684. (i.e, from most parts of the world, 00-684 would become
00-1-684).

These three areas, as well as three other (former) "UN Pacific Trust
Territories" that had been under US administration (+680 Palau,
+691 Micronesia, +692 Marshall Islands) all use NANP-like dialing,
numbering, signaling, etc. procedures, including seven-digit
(NNX-XXXX) local/national numbers.

Please see my report on the US/UN Pacific Islands Telecom status as
of Summer 1997, in the TELECOM Digest Archives for further info:

http://telecom-digest.org/archives/reports/us-un.pacific.islands.tel


MARK_J._CUCCIA__PHONE/WRITE/WIRE/CABLE:__HOME:__(USA)__Tel:_CHestnut-1-2497
WORK:__mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu|4710-Wright-Road|__(+1-504-241-2497)
Tel:UNiversity-5-5954(+1-504-865-5954)|New-Orleans-28__|fwds-on-no-answr-to
Fax:UNiversity-5-5917(+1-504-865-5917)|Louisiana(70128)|cellular/voicemail-

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Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 16:36:33 -0600
From: Mike Jenkins <Jenkinmw@sverdrup.com>
Subject: Is the Right of Freedom of Speech in Jeopardy?


Pat,

I found this at http://www.tbtf.com/blog/#1, and it appears to be
genuine.  If it is, then the potential incursion of authority vs the
right to free speech, is going to make for a hot topic, worldwide.

 From the tbtf log:

"First-ever Usenet gag order. A Seattle judge has issued a ruling in a
dispute that arose from a 6-month flamewar on a Usenet newsgroup. A
man who uses the handle Two Buddha has been barred from posting
anything -- even about skiing -- on the Usenet newsgroup
rec.skiing.alpine. This court case is quite complicated, but the story
on the Menweb site repays a reading. The implications for free speech
on the Net go on for days."

More can be found at http://www.vix.com/menmag/gagorder.htm


Mike Jenkins
(at my work address...)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: We covered this in some detail over
the last weekend. I've looked at some of the messages in the flame
war there and they are pretty bad, and pretty tasteless, but I do
not know who started what. There was so much to read I had to give
up without reading it all. The really disturbing part of it to me 
is Police Officer Shirey thinking she has any say-so and using her
authority -- misusing it in my opinion -- to send orders to the
others there. Hopefully also, the judge will fall out of favor with
whatever politicians got her in office and she won't be around much
longer either. It really is bad news seeing a judge take over a
newsgroup on the net and reading that the police have been monitoring
it as well. That kind of thing can happen to any newsgroup on the
net, and it is better to get it stopped as soon as possible.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: kim@aol.com (Kim Brennan)
Date: 15 Nov 1999 22:53:15 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: That Foreign Country Between Arizona and Texas


> Please feel free to accuse me of linguistic/geographic nit-picking, but
> this is something that has annoyed me for years. "America" has come, in
> common global usage, to mean "United States."

A decade ago, I bought an "American" car. It was a Volkswagen
manufactured in Brazil. Still have it today actually.


Kim Brennan
Duo 2300c, PB 2400, VW Fox Wagon GL, Corrado SLC, Vanagon GL Syncro
http://members.aol.com/kim
Duo Info Page:  http://members.aol.com/kim/computer/duo/duoindex.html
?'s should include "Duo" in subject, else they'll be deleted unread.

------------------------------

From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:52:22 EST
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup


> A King County District Judge today issued a far-reaching order that
> may be a first-ever precedent in cyber-space, banning a man from
> talking about Zoom skis, or any other skiing-related topic, in the
> Usenet newsgroup Rec.Skiing.Alpine.

    In the US, at least, content-based regulation of non-commercial,
non-obscene speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional.  This judge must have
cut a few too many constitutional law classes in law school.  And, who
died and left her Honor in charge of the Internet anyway?  And, since
when are bad manners a matter for the courts?

      I propose a protest.  For one day, everyone posting to
rec.skiing.alpine (or, for that matter, to any USENET group) should
change their "from" address to read "two buddha".  Let her Honor
figure out who's who.

    Kinda like what happened in suburban Philadelphia last Hanukkah --
some lowlife firebombed a Jewish family's home, because it had a
menorah in the window, and for the rest of the holiday, EVERY HOUSE IN
THE NEIGHBORHOOD, Jews and non-Jews alike, had a menorah in its
window.


Bill


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You make a very good suggestion. If
a number of people posted in rec.skiing.alpine using the anonymous
posting service offered at several places (such as the one at
http://telecom-digest.org/postoffice ) and everyone signed their
message with that name, it would leave things in quite a state of
confusion to say the least. It would also be sort of interesting
to see the results if the same people basically called the judge's
blufff, saying something like 'I am in contempt like all the other
Two Buddha people posting here. Stop me before I flame, stalk, and
harass again.'  PAT]

------------------------------

From: lightgrw@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:03:12 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.



Bill Levant spoke, saying:

> Uh, excuse me.  What's wrong with this?

> First of all, NJT didn't "win" the case; it was settled immediately
> before trial.  Seems the former owners of NJTransit.com, etc., didn't
> want to litigate the case.

We did not have the money nor the ability to fight the government on
this one.  Sometimes you have to take the easy way out or go bankrupt,
which would you choose?

> issues, but I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH ENFORCING TRADEMARKS
> ON THE NET TO THE SAME DEGREE AS WOULD BE APPLICABLE OFF THE NET.

> The net is not a "special place" where the usual rules shouldn't
> apply ... it's part of the world.  Sorry.

I strongly disagree with that statement.  New Jersey Transit
Corporation has been running a website that they have promoted as the
"official site of NJ Transit" for about four years.  All during that
time the domain name NJtransit.com was publicly available.  Someday
there will be an internet case where a person has enough money to
stand their ground and defend the fact that businesses should not have
forever to claim a trademark online if they already have a website.
It is my view that New Jersey Transit Corporation forfeited their
right to the domain name when they did not register it themselves and
were promoting the website NJtransit.state.nj.us

Furthermore, the letters NJ are common, the word transit is common.  A
domain name like NJtransit.com fits perfectly within our business
model of New Jersey related informational websites.

We have settled the case and are prevented from using any variance of
the NJtransit name including the website domain that we planned to
move the site to: NJmasstransit.com

Now you tell me, should we be banned from using the domain name
NJmasstransit.com?  That is not the name of the company.  It is a
description of what NJ Transit does, but is it unlike an example of
someone giving up coke.com and then being banned from using soda.com ?
I don't think so.  NJmasstransit.com is a very general term.

That is the extent of their fear of us apparently.  Well we are moving
our entire website to NJave.com and we will have the most complete
transportation website for the tri-state area.  Content will beat them
out.  People came to our site in droves to go to pages that had
nothing to do with NJ Transit.  We were a directory of transportation
links that included taxis, limo companies, airports, transit
organizations, links, roads and highways, New York and Philly
information as well.

NJ Transit information comprised a small portion of our website.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you very much for writing. I am
so happy you found the original message here and took the time to
write a response. What happened to you could happen to any website
on the net. None of us have the financial or other resources needed
to fight these things alone. Of course we have a registrar sitting on
millions of dollars in profit from fees charged for domain name
registrations, but none of that money will ever be made available to
netizens for legal assistance, etc. I find it fascinating that you
were called a 'cybersquatter'; like someone just hoarding a name to
make trouble for someone else. All the work you have done on the
site meant nothing to them did it?

Tell me this: when you get your new site NJave.com started, do you
still intend to publish information about NJ Transit? My first 
reaction would be to script a 'blackhole' so deep that nothing with
their name in it would ever see the light of day on a site that I
published; it would be almost as though they did not exist at all.
But as I think further about it, I know the importance of maintaining
a *good* web site in a professional way. I do not know how you
could provide a site giving transportation information without some
references to them, despite how unprofessional and litigous they seem
to be. A lot of us are sorry you chose to give up the fight, but you
did what you had to do. Best of luck with future internet publishing
efforts.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: Peter Dubuque <dubuque@shell1.tiac.net>
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Date: 16 Nov 1999 01:04:12 GMT
Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc.


Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote:

>    Now, I consider myself a liberal (perhaps somewhat less so than I
> was in earlier years -- and considerably less so than our
> libertarian-leaning Moderator), especially on freedom-of-speech
> issues, but I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH ENFORCING TRADEMARKS
> ON THE NET TO THE SAME DEGREE AS WOULD BE APPLICABLE OFF THE NET.

>    The net is not a "special place" where the usual rules shouldn't 
> apply ... it's part of the world.  Sorry.

The flaw in this argument is that having a trademark in one area of
commerce does not give you carte blanche to use it in all other areas.

For example, the American Broadcasting Company may have the exclusive
right to use the initials ABC for TV, radio, and cable broadcasting
purposes, but there are a whole host of businesses that use those
initials legally and that are not infringing on the trademark, such as
ABC Plumbing in Portland, OR; ABC Story Time Personalized Books in
Reseda, CA; ABC Software in Fullerton, CA; ABC Daycare in Enfield, NH
... plus a whole range of other companies whose names abbreviate to
ABC, like, say, "Allied Business Computers Inc." or something.

My question to you is, lacking a trademark that specifically provides
for Internet-based activities, why should the American Broadcasting
Company have some inherently superior right to abc.com than any of
these other businesses?


Peter F. Dubuque - dubuque@tiac.net - Enemy of Reason(TM)     O-


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What gives them a superior right?
Because they have more lawyers and more money to spend litigating,
and an association of registrars on the net (operating through
ICANN) who tend to favor big business over smaller businesses and
individuals. If in your example, ABC Daycare had been in business
with a website since 1993 as abc.com there is no doubt in my mind
that the 'big' ABC would still run them off the net with the
assistance and backing of ICANN to do it. If America On Line can
decide it needs aolsearch and simply wrest it away from a black
lady in New York who was running a web site matching African-
American professionals with black-owned businesses by going
to the registrar and making threats, then why couldn't a very
large broadcasting corporation go and take abc.com away from some
small daycare operation? 

Do you remember a couple months ago my analogy with the square peg
and the round hole? The internet and the web was never designed for
what corporate America is trying to make of it. All the conflicts
we have seen on the net in the past five years or so have come
about because big business will not come to grips with the reality
that the web specifically and the net in general were not built to
do what they want it to do. They won't accept that and go away;
instead they are going to do their damndedest to drive everyone
else away instead. All the small publishers, all the small business
people, all the creative people maintaining web sites in the true
tradition of the net for the past twenty years -- all must go!
The Cerfing of the Net will not be complete until they have total
control over each web site and each user. Why do you suppose you
are no longer allowed to own your domain name?   PAT]

------------------------------

Date: 16 Nov 1999 01:01:38 -0500
From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine)
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


>> They'll transfer the ownership of NJTransit.com, NJTransit.org,
>> NJTransit.net and 1-800-NJTransit to us immediately," said Jeffrey
>> Warsh, the commuter agency's executive director. "We own the name and
>> they were using it illegally.

>  Uh, excuse me.  What's wrong with this?  First of all, NJT didn't
> "win" the case; it was settled immediately before trial.  Seems the
> former owners of NJTransit.com, etc., didn't want to litigate the
> case.

Indeed, NJ Transit won by intimidation.

>  And why not?  Simple.  NJ Transit is a registered service mark.  You
> couldn't legally open a store called NJ Transit, so why should the web
> be any different?

Sure you could.  Trademarks and service marks have both line of
business and geographic limitations, and it is absolutely normal and
common for many businesses to use the exact same trademark.  If I
wanted to open, say, a surveying equipment company in California and
call it NJ Transit, it's hard to see how the New Jersey company would
have any case to dispute it.  Or try looking up registered "Ford"
trademarks, and along with the car trademarks, you'll find the well
known modelling agency and a bunch of others.  A very small number of
trademarks can be considered "famous" which lets them contest similar
marks outside of their usual lines of business (names like Coca Cola),
but there are a lot fewer famous marks than trademark owners might
like to claim.

> I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH ENFORCING TRADEMARKS ON THE NET
> TO THE SAME DEGREE AS WOULD BE APPLICABLE OFF THE NET.

I couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately, trademark holders want all
sorts of "rights" on the net that they'd never have in the normal
world, and there's a distressing amount of blather by people who've
never even read the relevant law.

Trademarks and domain names just don't match up, particularly domains
in .com/.org/.net that don't have any geographic or line of business
qualification.  Names on the net would be much easier to deal with if
the .US domain were better managed so people were more willing to get
geographic domains that better match businesses with local or regional
rather than global scope.


John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869
johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, 
Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

------------------------------

From: Frederik Delvael <frederik@faxmate.com>
Subject: Channelbanks Question
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:18:11 -0500


Can anyone recommend cost-effective and reliable PC channelbank
solutions for both T1/E1, and preferably running on Linux. If you know
of other or more appropriate newsgroups for this type of information,
please let me know.
 

Best Regards,

Frederik Delvael, Eng.
Director of International Business Development -
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From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: 3-2-1-Rrring!
Organization: Providence Network Partners
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 01:28:56 GMT


In article <telecom19.550.1@telecom-digest.org>, NeXTguru@mindspring.com 
says:

> If we ever go into 11+ digits, can I have the 31337 NPA? (Oh c'mon, just a
> joke against all the phreaker lurkers here.)

> Joseph Mallett
> jmallett@newgold.net
> New Gold Technology
> http://smegsite.com/
> http://newgold.net/

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's note: I do not understand the joke. Would
> you care to explain?  PAT]

Near as I can make out, 31EEP 


== Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR
== Trustee WE1RD

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I guess I am still too dense to 
understand it. Remember a television show forty years ago called
'Ted Macks Amateur Comedy Hour' ?  His jokes were about as funny.
PAT]

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From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:01:48 EST
Subject: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!


> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
> power company sued, successfully.

   Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in 
which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

  I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer 
power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating 
involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs, 
methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.


 -- Bill 
    (A firm adherent to the old Chicago news reporters' adage : "If your 
mother says she loves you, check it out!")

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    Re: Country Code Question (David Leibold)
    Re: Country Code Question (Joseph Singer)
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    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (Steve Sobol)
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 11:16 PST
From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Announcing - PFIR: "People For Internet Responsibility"



 [ Please feel free to redistribute this announcement as you see fit. ]

			      ANNOUNCING 			

              PFIR: "People For Internet Responsibility"

		         http://www.pfir.org

              -------------------------------------------

November 16, 1999

PFIR is a global, grassroots, ad hoc network of individuals who are
concerned about the current and future operations, development,
management, and regulation of the Internet in responsible manners.
The goal of PFIR is to help provide a resource for individuals around
the world to gain an ability to help impact these crucial Internet
issues, which will affect virtually all aspects of our cultures,
societies, and lives in the 21st century.  PFIR is non-partisan, has
no political agenda, and does not engage in lobbying.

PFIR has been founded (in November, 1999) by Lauren Weinstein of
Vortex Technology in Woodland Hills, California and Peter G. Neumann
of SRI International in Menlo Park, California.  Both have decades of
continual experience with the Internet and its ancestor ARPANET,
Lauren originally at the UCLA lab which was the ARPANET's first site,
and Peter at the net's second site, located at SRI.

Peter is the chairman of the ACM (Association for Computing Machinery)
Committee on Computers and Public Policy, and the creator and
moderator of the Internet RISKS Forum.  Lauren is a member of that
same committee, and he is the creator and moderator of the Internet
PRIVACY Forum.

With the rapid commercialization of the Internet and its World Wide
Web during the 1990's, there are increasing concerns that decisions
regarding these resources are being irresponsibly skewed through the
influence of powerful, vested interests (in commercial, political, and
other categories) whose goals are not necessarily always aligned with
the concerns of individuals and the people at large.  Such
incompatibilities have surfaced in areas including domain name policy,
spam, security, encryption, freedom of speech issues, privacy, content
rating and filtering, and a vast array of other areas.  New ones are
sure to come!

While corporate, political, and other related entities most certainly
have important roles to play in Internet issues, it is unwise and
unacceptable for their influences to be effectively the only
significant factors affecting the broad scope of Internet policies.

There are numerous examples. While e-commerce can indeed be a
wonderful tool, it is shortsighted in the extreme for some interests
to treat the incredible creation that is the Internet as little more
than a giant mail order catalog, with ".com" associated hype on
seemingly every ad, billboard and commercial.  Protection of copyrights
in a global Internet environment, without abusive monitoring, is a
challenge indeed. The Internet can be a fantastic tool to encourage
the flow of ideas, information, and education, but it can also be used
to track users' behaviors and invade individuals' privacy in manners
that George Orwell never imagined in his "1984" world.

PFIR is a resource for discussion, analysis, and information regarding
Internet issues, aimed at providing a forum for *ordinary people* to
participate in the process of Internet evolution, control, and use,
around the entire world.  PFIR is also a focal point for providing
media and government with a resource regarding Internet issues that is
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visit the PFIR Web site at:

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Individuals, organizations, media, etc. who are interested in more
information regarding PFIR or these Internet issues 
are invited to contact:

Phone, Fax, or E-mail:

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Please send any physical mail to:

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Thank you very much.  Be seeing you!

  ============

Lauren Weinstein
Peter G. Neumann
November 16, 1999

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:55:06 CST
From: Mark J. Cuccia <mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Reply-To: Mark J. Cuccia <mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: 800-555-xxxx (re: AT&T Puts 800-555-1212 Up for Sale)


John_David_Galt@acm.org wrote:

> Many different carriers, both IXC and LEC, already have their own (or
> contract) bureaus in different parts of the country that you may reach
> when dialing an ordinary area code + 555-1212. Why should 800-555-1212
> be any different?

IMO, there is somewhat of a difference between (POTS NPA)+555-1212
and 800+555-1212.

When calling to a POTS-NPA for directory, one is looking for a listing
in a geographic POTS NPA. The calling party will then place the call via
the long distance carrier they choose as the calling party to the number
they (hopefully) receive from directory. For me, I'd _prefer_ the
incumbent LEC or some entity formed by the consortium of LECs/CLECs in
that distant NPA to provide directory/listings service.

With 800+555-1212 for seeking (the possibility of) a toll-free
800/888/877/etc. number, the called "toll-free" party whose number is
listed and ultimately called has chosen the carrier who will bill _them_
for the call.

> If AT&T chooses no longer to provide this service, I'm sure that other
> providers will be glad to do it. The number should NOT be considered
> available for new uses, or 800-555-xxxx will become as unusable as area
> code 700.

Since there has been competition in toll-free since the mid-to-late-1980s,
and if AT&T doesn't want to provide 800-555-1212 anymore, maybe some
consortium of carriers, or maybe even Lockheed/NASC or Telcordia/DSMI
should work out something for a single third-party under contract with the
NASC/DSMI or ATIS-OBF-toll-free-SNAC should provide toll-free-directory
for the NANP on 800-555-1212.

I'm not exactly certain right now _WHO_ is involved with assigning,
administering, etc. toll-free numbers and the toll-free number
portability database -- I know that Lockhhed has been involved with it
for a NUMBER of years (the NASC - Number Assignment Service Center) as
well as a subsidiary of Bellcore-now Telcordia (the DSMI - Database
Service Management Inc). JUDITH, some clarification here?

As for the 800-555 prefix and 700, and other 800-555-xxxx (particularly
-1212) issues:

When 800-NXXs became assignable to "other carriers" in the mid-1980's,
prior to full seven/ten digit portability under 800, Bellcore-NANPA
(at that time) said that 800-555 (Directory, etc) and 800-855
(Services for the Hearing Impaired) would have their line-numbers
assignments maintained by Bellcore-NANPA.

Within the US, both 800-555-1212 as well as the TDD/TTY Operator on
800-855-1155 have been maintained by AT&T, which includes routing the
calls to those numbers, regardless of _WHICH_ long-distance carrier is
your "primary". Unlike POTS NPAs and SAC 700, you do _NOT_ dial a CAC
(Carrier Access Code) 101-XXXX+ when calling to toll-free 800/888/877
numbers. The called 800/888/877 party's choice of long-distance
carrier is who routes the call.

When full toll-free portability came about in the early 1990's, there
really was no change to the status of 800-555 and 800-855.

BTW, in Canada, 800-555-1212 is still provided by Bell Canada/Stentor,
as is 800-855-1155.

In late 1994, Bellcore-DSMI and Lockheed-NASC decided to throw the
800-555 prefix into the portability pool. All (unassigned)
line-numbers in 800-555 were now available for assignment to any
desiring customer, and routing via any available carrier. Obviously
800-555-1212 and any other previously existing 800-555-xxxx
line-numbers were "grandfathered" as being handled by AT&T, for the
previously existing customers with those numbers (just a few involved,
but mostly assigned to departments/offices of AT&T and the incumbent
LECs - or in Canada by the incumbent Stentor LECs, such as the old
800-555-5050 or -5000? for "The Bell Answer Center"... and
800-555-8111 is/was for AT&T Leased Equipment (Lucent) Customer
Service).

But now we have 800-555-xxxx numbers handled by _NUMEROUS_ carriers,
all chosen by the customer with that 800-555-xxxx number -- or at
least chosen by carriers who "pre-reserved" the numbers and then
assigned them to customers. There's Stentor/BellCanada/Teleglobe's
"Canada Direct" card and operator services dialup, 800-555-1111, which
when dialed from within Canada routes to an automated platform (with
live-operator cut-thru option) in Vancouver BC or Montreal PQ. (This
service is similar to AT&T's 800-CALL-ATT, or BellSouth/Qwest's
800-BELLSOU(th), or Bell Atlantic/Sprint's 800-ALL-CALL, or MCI's
800-COLLECT or 800-888-8000, etc). When one dials 800-555-1111 from
the (continental) US to use their Stentor-Canada-LEC assigned card
number (i.e, they are a Canadian who is travelling in the US) to place
a card call (to Canada, the US, or many other countries in the world),
or to place a collect call _BACK_ to Canada, the US-to-Montreal
portion of the call is handled _NOT_ by AT&T, but by _MCI_!

Also, there are _NUMEROUS_ "toll-free-directory" services out there with
their own 800- dialup numbers, some (most? all?) use the 800-555 prefix.
One is (was) reached with 800-555-1313. Many of these have sprouted up
because of the charging/rate policies AT&T established a few years ago
regarding how AT&T would charge other carriers for AT&T's 800-555-1212
to "look up" and spot numbers for requested listings that had toll-free
numbers _NOT_ assigned/handled by AT&T! Many _NON-AT&T_ handled toll-free
numbers _DO_ fall under the category of "desiring to be listed" (i.e., the
customer or number-holder _WANTS_ their number to be publically known or
available) but the carrier involved that assigned the number and handles
the routing (and billing) of the call chooses _NOT_ to have AT&T's
800-555-1212 list the number due to a dispute between them and AT&T over
the charges for the "look up"!

IMO, _THAT's_ why we need an "independent, impartial" 800-555-1212
Directory in North America provided by Telcordia-DSMI or Lockheed-NASC/
NANPA, or an impartial company contracted by one of these two entities,
with the concurrance of the FCC/FTC/CRTC/etc.

Incidently, the FCC (with the concurracne fo Canada's CRTC?) has
determined that there will be _NO_ assignments at this time (not even of
-1212) to the 888-555 or 877-555 prefixes.

And while 800-855 is reserved for "Hearing Impaired" services, there
is now multiple carrier possibility of the -xxxx line-numbers.
800-555-1155 is still routed by AT&T in the US or Stentor's LECs in
Canada, but there are other -xxxx line-numbers under 800-855 assigned
to MCI and Sprint ...  See
http://www.nanpa.com/number_resource_info/800_assignments.html for
other 800-855-xxxx line-number assignments. Curiously, there is no
listing here for 800-555-1155!

800-555-1212 Toll-Free Directory in the NANP is a PUBLIC SERVICE, IMO,
and before the FCC rubber-stamps AT&T's request to discontinue it (within
the US), I would _HOPE_ that the FCC has a 'pair of what it takes' to
look into various possibilities of NANPA/DSMI/NASC/TRA/etc. handling or
contracting it out to an imparitial entity which would have listings for
_ALL_ "published" toll-free 800/888/877/etc. toll-free numbers in the
NANP, under a "fair and impartial, uniform" type policy --- and not just
"give in" to whatever AT&T or any other big-company carrier chooses to
discontinue.


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From: dleibold@else.net (David Leibold)
Subject: Re: Country Code Question
Date: 15 Nov 1999 23:03:04 -0500
Organization: Magma Communications Ltd., Ottawa, Ontario, Canada


In article <telecom19.550.17@telecom-digest.org>,
Molinari Alessio  <Alessio.Molinari@infostrada.it> wrote:

> I'm dubious for North Marianna Island (00670) , Guam ( 00671) and
> American Samoa (00684) country code.  Are correct? From Italy I try to
> do some phone test but I received also busy tone.
 . . .

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that while the above three
> *used to be* country codes, they are now considered USA area codes
> instead. Am I correct? Instead of this person dialing the above as

Northern Marianas and Guam are now under the North American Numbering
Plan (NANP) as +1 670 and +1 671 respectively (or 001670 and 001671 from
Italy, in the normal European ISD format). Access via direct country
codes +670 and +671 was officially discontinued as of 1 July 1998.

American Samoa is still active as country code 684, and there is no
word yet (to my knowledge) about it joining NANP, although this has
been proposed. The NANP Administrator site (www.nanpa.com) lists +1
684 (NPA 684 within the NANP) as "Reserved for NANP Country".

Considering that not all country codes are necessarily reachable by
dialing, the busy signal on +684 (or 00684) seems to be up to the long
distance or international carriers to fix.

------------------------------

Reply-To: dov@oz.net
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 22:30:54 -0800
From: Joseph Singer <dov@oz.net>
Subject: Re: Country Code Question


Molinari Alessio <Alessio.Molinari@infostrada.it> wrote:

> I'm dubious for North Marianna Island (00670) , Guam ( 00671) and
> American Samoa (00684) country code.  Are correct? From Italy I try to
> do some phone test but I received also busy tone.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I believe that while the above three
> *used to be* country codes, they are now considered USA area codes
> instead. Am I correct? Instead of this person dialing the above as
> country codes, should he be dialing the USA country code '1' followed
> by the above as area codes?  Please write him directly, but some
> clarification here would be good also.   PAT]

The codes mentioned *used* to be country codes for those areas and for
a while there was permissive dialing so that you could either dial it
as "Australasia" country codes +670, +671 and +684 these US
"protectorat" locations are now part of the North American Numbering
Plan (NANP) so that someone in North America would just dial 1+ one of
the three codes plus a seven digit number for a telephone in one of
these locations.  To dial from overseas now you must dial +1 670/671
or 684 to reach a party in these locations (from Italy you'd dial 00+1
670 XXXX.)


Joseph Singer Seattle, Washington USA <mailto:dov@oz.net>
<http://welcome.to/dov> <http://wwp.mirabilis.com/460262> [ICQ pgr]
          +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail]  +1 206 493 0706 [FAX]

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:24 +0000 (GMT Standard Time)
From: Richard@office.mandarin.com (Richard D G Cox)
Subject: Re: Country Code Question
Reply-To: Richard.Cox@office.numbering.com
Organization: Mandarin Technology


Molinari Alessio <Alessio.Molinari@infostrada.it> wrote on 15 Nov 1999:

>> I'm dubious for North Marianna Island (00670), Guam (00671)
>> and American Samoa (00684) country code.  Are correct?

The first two used to be; now the +1 equivalent code is considered to
be correct.  American Samoa *should* still be diallable as 00684.  But
there is no international regulator who can require network providers
and other international telcos to change their routing tables; it is
down to each of them to set their routings they way they see things.
If only it were otherwise, life in the numbering industry would be a
lot easier!

> From Italy I try to do some phone test but I received also busy tone.

Well, that's the same as I get using First Telecom, but calls via BT or
NTL go straight to either reorder tone or invalid number RANN intercept.

Several Telcos have to pass on the call setup message -- and may
modify it or check it for validity -- or alternatively they may pass
it unchecked.  The international signalling that means "number
invalid" is frequently misinterpreted by national Telcos as "number
engaged" (now we're in the ISDN era, call-failure tones are often
generated at the local, rather than the destination exchange, to save
international circuit time).

It is possible, therefore, that either the Italian Telco you are using,
or some other network the call passes through, has misinterpreted the
information about the changes in American Samoa, and has blocked 00684.
(it is a code that is not dialled /that/ often from Europe!).

I gather the Liechtenstein authorities are still having great difficulty
persuading international operators to implement their "new" country
code and trap calls to their old Swiss area code with a suitable
announcement;

There again, how many countries and local Telcos (particularly in the
USA) have got their correct routing in place for the latest UK code
changes?  EVERYONE should NOW be able to dial UK (+44) area codes 20,
23, 24, 28, and 29 as well as our new mobile and paging codes 76, 77,
78, and 79.  All these codes are followed by a further EIGHT digits.


Richard Cox
+44 29 2031 1131
To send genuine e-mail please remove the "office" from our e-mail address!

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From: sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.Net (Steve Sobol)
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup
Date: 16 Nov 1999 14:36:35 GMT
Organization: New Age Consulting Service Inc., Cleveland, OH, USA


On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:52:22 EST, Wlevant@aol.com allegedly said:

>> A King County District Judge today issued a far-reaching order that
>> may be a first-ever precedent in cyber-space, banning a man from
>> talking about Zoom skis, or any other skiing-related topic, in the
>> Usenet newsgroup Rec.Skiing.Alpine.

>    In the US, at least, content-based regulation of non-commercial,
> non-obscene speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional.  This judge must have
> cut a few too many constitutional law classes in law school.  And, who
> died and left her Honor in charge of the Internet anyway?  And, since
> when are bad manners a matter for the courts?

What an idiot the judge is. What is she going to do if I post? I'm not
in her jurisdiction, nor are any of the Net surfers outside the US.

I hope this gets challenged. The decision is ridiculous.


North Shore Technologies Corporation - Steven J. Sobol, President & Head Geek
815 Superior Avenue #610, Cleveland, Ohio 44114, USA    Phone +1 888.480.4NET
sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.net          http://NorthShoreTechnologies.net
 Owned and loved by the dogs of JaMiSt Chinese Shar-Pei, Montville, Ohio  :)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:46:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup
Organization: Our Lady of Perpetual Freedom
From: tweek@netcom.com (Mike Maxfield)


Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote:

>    In the US, at least, content-based regulation of non-commercial,
> non-obscene speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional.  This judge must have
> cut a few too many constitutional law classes in law school.  And, who
> died and left her Honor in charge of the Internet anyway?  And, since
> when are bad manners a matter for the courts?              ^^^^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps since Judge Ronald White made his opinion known in court and
on record of Grady Ward's verbal opinions on Helena Kobrin in the US
District Court for Northern California in (one of) the case of
$cientology Vs. the Net.

While I don't recall Ward actually getting punished for his verbal ...
poetry about Kobrin, it really, IMO, IANAL, should have had no bearing
on the case and therefore should not even have been brought up in court,
much less brought up by the judge.

Now if the judge had mentioned it in his opinion in a manner responding
to the persecut///uh, prosecution as saying "While I too, find Ward's
colorful verbiage disqusting, it has no bearing on this case." that
would have been fine ... but that wasn't the context I saw it in.

------------------------------

From: Anthony Argyriou <anthony@alphageo.com>
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 23:54:31 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


On 15 Nov 1999 22:19:48 GMT, rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)
wrote:

> I've heard this story and never bothered to check if it's a bogus urban
> legend or if it actually happened.  Regardless, the case wouldn't be
> about 60Hz EM radiation.  The portion of the power that is radiated is
> very small, and once it's radiated, it's gone forever from the power
> company, regardless of whether it ends up being harnessed by a farmer,
> heating the earth, or propogating off into space.  They'd have a tough
> time claiming ownership of power that they routinely and knowingly
> transmit away from their lines.

> The stealing would be as a result of the farmer harnessing the *static*
> EM field created by the power lines.  A direct result of that would be
> an additional, measurable, loss of power from the transmission lines
> (there would be an additional voltage "drop"[1] near the barn).

Wrong. The power radiated is very small, but the power loss can be
large if there is a coil to pick up the _variable_ magnetic field
created by the AC. You can't do this trick with a DC power line,
unless you vibrate the coil, to create AC.


Anthony Argyriou

------------------------------

From: gldyer-nospam@geocities.com (Geoff Dyer)
Subject: Re: Are There Laws Regulating Auto Redialing?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:57:58 GMT


On Fri, 12 Nov 1999 17:36:01 GMT, Andrew Tannenbaum
<world!world.std.com!trb@uunet.uu.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for references to laws regulating automatic redialing
> of telephone numbers.  If I have a fax server that fails to connect
> to my intended recipient, if I'm dialing the wrong number by accident,
> my retry scheme might be quite irritating to the accidental victim.

> Are there laws in countries outside the USA?  

Since I haven't yet seen a reply from David Clayton:  8-)

For Australia (this is from my modem's manual, but every modem I've
had says the same): 

"A total of 3 call attempts are allowed to a telephone number, with a
minimum period between calls of 2 seconds: if the call doesn't connect
after 3 attempts, 30 minutes must expire before automatic redialling
may be initiated." 

The same manual also says for New Zealand: 

"Not more than a total of 10 call attempts shall be made to the same
number for any single manual call initiation within a 30 minute
period.  There shall be at least 60 seconds between call attempts to
the same number.  Automatic calls to different numbers shall be not
less than 5 seconds apart."


Geoff 
(to e-mail me, remove any instances of "-nospam" from my address)

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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 16 Nov 99 16:28:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 553

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Too Good to be True, I Guess (Mark Shapiro)
    Call for Papers 14th ESM'2000, Ghent, Belgium (Philippe Geril)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Peter Dubuque)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Bob Goudreau)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Manny Olds)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Andrew)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (PhoneDude)
    Re: 3-2-1-Rrring! (Ethan Henry)
    Re: 3-2-1-Rrring! (Truman Boyes)
    2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion (Reuben Wall)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Bob Goudreau)
    Historical Information (Kdafni@aol.com)
    Re: ISDN Viruses (Mel Beckman)
    31337 (Lisa Higgins)
    31337 (Flor Riklef)

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:33:30 PST
From: Mark Shapiro <marksavoid@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FWD: Too Good to be True, I Guess


It seems to me you are correct in your assessment of too much
traffic. What I have done to address this problem is to place the
phone number on the address book and dial directly from there, which
automatically resets the applet each time. I usually get through in
about five to ten tries. The most annoying problem for me is the long
delay between transmission and reception to calls within my own state
(Hawaii). I also experience break up and static at times. My guess is
that this is in part due to the long distances the data must travel
from this location. It might also have to do with my choice of ISP,
which is AltaVista Free. As an experiment, I'd like to try a cable
modem or Ethernet link. A friend of mine in Hilo used his 56K
connection via Prodigy with much better results on a call to the
Mainland.

TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org> wrote:

> Has anyone else been having trouble using the free phone call in
> exchange for advertisements of http://www.dialpad.com recently?

> The first couple times I tried it, around two or three weeks ago,
> it worked quite well. Now for the past week or so, anytime I try
> to use it, it takes a LONG time for the java applet to appear, and
> sometimes it never does open correctly. No matter what I dial, I
> get a short burst of busy tone and that is all. Then to make
> matters worse, the button on the right side which is supposed to
> alternate between 'dial' and 'hangup' gets stuck in the 'hangup'
> mode and won't return to where I can dial a second time without
> exiting the applet and calling it up a second time. One day I
> got a reply on the little window saying 'no circuits' but usually
> I get nothing at all.

> I was told by someone that the service received a couple million
> signups in less than a month. Is that true? Maybe that is why I
> cannot reach it any longer. :(

------------------------------

From: Philippe Geril <Philippe.Geril@rug.ac.be>
Subject: Call For Papers 14th ESM'2000, Ghent, Belgium
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:58:03 +0100
Organization: SCS Europe Bvba
Reply-To: Philippe.Geril@rug.ac.be


Dear Colleagues,

This is to inform you that the webpages for ESM'2000 (May 23-26, 2000,
Ghent, Belgium) the fourteenth European conference of SCS on computer
simulation are now online.

Please note that the submission deadline has changed to DECEMBER
20TH, and that the conference has been moved forward to the
end of month of May. This was due to the fact that we were unable
to obtain the conference rooms for the June period.

   Topics:
    Simulation in Supply Chain Management & Logistics
    Simulation in Education & Corporate Training
    Simulation in Biology, Medicine & Health Care Systems
    Simulation in Industry and Services
    Simulation Methodology, Tools and Standards
    Simulation and Operations Research
    Simulation in Control Engineering and Artificial Intelligence
    Simulation in Communication and Networks

   More information can be found on:
   http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs
   ABSTRACT SUBMISSION DEADLINE: DECEMBER 20

For more info go to: http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs or you can contact
me by email on Philippe.Geril@rug.ac.be


Best Regards,


Philippe Geril                  Tel: +32.9.233.77.90
SCS Europe                    Fax: +32.9.223.49.41
Coupure Links 653          E-mail: Philippe.Geril@rug.ac.be
B-9000 Ghent                 URL: http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~scs
Belgium                          URL: http://hobbes.rug.ac.be/~phil

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From: Peter Dubuque <dubuque@shell1.tiac.net>
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Date: 16 Nov 1999 17:17:36 GMT
Organization: The Internet Access Company, Inc.


John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:

> I couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately, trademark holders want all
> sorts of "rights" on the net that they'd never have in the normal
> world, and there's a distressing amount of blather by people who've
> never even read the relevant law.

> Trademarks and domain names just don't match up, particularly domains
> in .com/.org/.net that don't have any geographic or line of business
> qualification.  Names on the net would be much easier to deal with if
> the .US domain were better managed so people were more willing to get
> geographic domains that better match businesses with local or regional
> rather than global scope.

I think the geographical restrictions on .us are its worst flaw.  If
you're going to get a .us domain, you might as well not have a website
to begin with.  Most people to have come on the net in the past
probably don't even realize that .com isn't the only TLD.  Perhaps
this will change, but I'm skeptical.

I've got a friend who's operated a BBS in Seattle for about eight years.
The BBS name was taken from a popular turn-of-the-century comic strip, and
naturally, when Internet access became feasible, she registered the
corresponding .com address.  Well, a few years later, along comes this
small furniture chain from the Midwest with the same name.  Someone at the
company had apparently heard about how great this new Internet thing was,
and decided they needed a Web presence for whatever reason.  But lo and
behold, their domain name was already taken.  So they called out the
lawyers.  The BBS operator couldn't afford to fight them off, and in the
end they agreed to let her use the name in the .seattle.wa.us domain.
If they had seen any potential value in it, they would have denied her
that as well.  .us domain names are worthless.

Oh, and PAT -- the questions I raised in my previous post were largely
rhetorical.  I fully realize that might makes right in this new world
order -- that the interests of businesses take precedence over individ-
uals, that national and international companies take precedence over
local and regional ones, and that laws are meaningless if you can pay
for enough lawyers.


Peter F. Dubuque - dubuque@tiac.net - Enemy of Reason(TM)     O-

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:10:43 EST
From: Bob Goudreau <goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names


lightgrw@my-deja.com wrote:

> Bill Levant spoke, saying:

>> ... but I JUST DON'T SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH ENFORCING TRADEMARKS
>> ON THE NET TO THE SAME DEGREE AS WOULD BE APPLICABLE OFF THE NET.

>> The net is not a "special place" where the usual rules shouldn't
>> apply ... it's part of the world.  Sorry.

> I strongly disagree with that statement.  New Jersey Transit
> Corporation has been running a website that they have promoted as the
> "official site of NJ Transit" for about four years.  All during that
> time the domain name NJtransit.com was publicly available.  Someday
> there will be an internet case where a person has enough money to
> stand their ground and defend the fact that businesses should not have
> forever to claim a trademark online if they already have a website.
> It is my view that New Jersey Transit Corporation forfeited their
> right to the domain name when they did not register it themselves and
> were promoting the website NJtransit.state.nj.us

Sorry, but I have to agree with Bill on this one.  Why should a
trademark (or service mark) owner's failure to use *every* possible
permutation of the trademark name be grounds for having to "share"
that trademark?  For a non-Net example, consider the case of the
International Business Machines Corporation.  Do you also claim the
right to set up a company called, say, "International Business
Machines, Inc."?  Whether it's "Inc." or "Ltd." or "Company", the
suffix doesn't change the fact that you're violating the "International
Business Machines" trademark, does it?  Likewise with "NJ Transit":
if that phrase is truly a trade or service mark of the transit
authority, then the domain suffix should be irrelevant; njtransit.com,
njtransit.net, njtransit.org, etc. would all be violators of the
trade/service mark.
 
> Furthermore, the letters NJ are common, the word transit is common.
> A domain name like NJtransit.com fits perfectly within our business
> model of New Jersey related informational websites.

Continuing with the above example, the words "International", "Business"
and "Machines" are also common.  You still can't use 'em together in
that order for your company's name, even if your business model is to
sell business-related machines to the world.


Bob Goudreau			Data General, a division of EMC Corp.
goudreau@rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA

------------------------------

From: Manny Olds <oldsma@clark.net>
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Organization: Persiflage Press
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:40:22 GMT


Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This is reconstructed from mail which
> was lost Sunday evening.  PAT]

> Some years ago, in Baltimore, a woman named Sony opened an eponymous
> (look it up) restaurant.  A certain electronics company sued (can't
> let the public confuse televisions with sushi, can we?) and she was
> forced to change the name of the restaurant to include her last name
> (which I can't recall at the moment).  Funny thing, though; the neon
> tubes spelling her last name "burned out" shortly thereafter, and were
> NEVER replaced.  Oh, well.

"Sony Florendo's" in Owings Mills, MD. Originally named "Sony's" and
specializing in a particular kind of Philipino turnover.

What you ought to understand is that (according to experts quoted in
news reports at the time) Ms. Florendo had an excellent chance win the
case, if it ever were litigated. She was in a distinctly different
business, it was her personal name, AND she had been using the name in
the United States longer than Sony Corp.

But Sony Corp. assaulted her with legal maneuvers until she couldn't
afford to continue. She was forced to surrender, not because she was
wrong, but because Sony Corp. has a lot more money to spend on lawyers
than Sony Florendo.

Which seems a lot like what happens to so-called "cybersquatters" now.


Manny Olds <oldsma@clark.net> of Riverdale Park, Maryland, USA

"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion."
  -- Edmund Burke

------------------------------

From: Andrew <andrew@kill-9.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:00:06 GMT
Organization: Kill-9 Industries


Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote:

>> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
>> power company sued, successfully.

>    Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in 
> which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

The version that I had heard, which I assumed to be true because it
was plausible, is that farmer Jones noticed that a barbed wire fence
that was running parallel to a power line was energized, so he decided
to use it to power the lights in his barn. The power company got wise
and issued a bill for the estimated power consumed.


Andrew

------------------------------

From: PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:16 -0500
Organization: GTE Laboratories Incorporated


Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote in message news:telecom19.551.16@
telecom-digest.org:

>> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
>> power company sued, successfully.

>    Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in
> which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer
> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating
> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs,
> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

Complete and total bunk.


PD

------------------------------

From: Ethan Henry <egh@klg.com>
Reply-To: egh@klg.com
Organization: KL Group Inc.
Subject: Re: 3-2-1-Rrring!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:59:58 -0500


Joseph Mallett wrote:

> If we ever go into 11+ digits, can I have the 31337 NPA? (Oh c'mon, just a
> joke against all the phreaker lurkers here.)

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's note: I do not understand the joke. Would
> you care to explain?  PAT]

It's 'hacker-speak' for 'Elite', spelled 'eleet' or "ElEET"
where the E's become 3's, etc. It's up there with 'd00d', 'warez'
and 'phreak'.


Ethan

------------------------------

From: Truman Boyes <truman@superlink.net>
Subject: Re: 3-2-1-Rrring!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:11:12 EST
Organization: suspicious


On Mon, 15 Nov 1999, Tony Pelliccio wrote:

> In article <telecom19.550.1@telecom-digest.org>, NeXTguru@mindspring.com 
> says:

>> If we ever go into 11+ digits, can I have the 31337 NPA? (Oh c'mon, just a
>> joke against all the phreaker lurkers here.)

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's note: I do not understand the joke. Would
>> you care to explain?  PAT]

> Near as I can make out, 31EEP 

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I guess I am still too dense to 
> understand it. Remember a television show forty years ago called
> 'Ted Macks Amateur Comedy Hour' ?  His jokes were about as funny.
> PAT]

31337 is phreaker talk for "elite". Punch it into a pager. It will
make more sense.


truman.boyes.

------------------------------

From: ubitech@yahoo.com (Reuben Wall)
Subject: 2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion
Date: 16 Nov 1999 13:27:26 GMT


I am searching for a product, and I was hoping someone reading can
help point me in the right direction.

I have to connect two modems together, each in different cities.  I
have a standard 2-wire analog modem interface on one side.  I have a
basic 4-wire interface on the other side.  I need to connect them
together!

This is a leased line network (not dialup).  There is no E&M
signalling.  There is a transmit, transmit return, a receive and
receive return (4 wires).  There will be no DC voltages on the link.

I need an external "box" that will convert from a 4-wire modem to a
2-wire modem. I am not looking for the individual electronic
componets, but a commercial product that will do this. Maximum speed
is 2400 and MUST be full-duplex.

Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks and best regards,


Reuben Wall
Ubitech Systems Inc

Please respond to:
ubitech@yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:22:02 EST
From: Bob Goudreau <goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?


PAT wrote:

> ...  This is why 'radar detectors' in automobiles are illegal. 

Anthony Argyriou <anthony@alphageo.com> responded:

> Radar detectors are not illegal everywhere. It is _not_ illegal to own
> or use one in California.

Nor, indeed, in most of the United States.  This topic comes up all the
time in rec.autos.driving.  In fact, the *only* US jurisdictions where
radar detector use by automobile drivers is illegal are Virginia and
the District of Columbia (Connecticut repealed its RD ban several years
ago).  Large interstate commercial trucks are another matter, due to a
federal truck safety law passed a few years ago, but there is nothing
illegal about using a radar detector in your personal vehicle in 49
of the 50 states.


Bob Goudreau			Data General, a division of EMC Corp.
goudreau@rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suggest that federal laws -- however
obscure they may be -- take precedence over state laws where they
exist and when the federal law is more stringent. The federal law,
as it appears in the Communications Act of 1934 with revisions, etc,
says that you may not intentionally or deliberatly receive radio
transmissions not intended for yourself, nor may you benefit from or
acknowledge those you do happen to accidentally overhear. A general
purpose, multi-band radio receiver is capable of tuning many different
frequencies; 'accidental' reception of some transmission not intended
for yourself is possible. A radar detector is manufactured to receive
only a very limited number of transmissions, none of which are intended
for you. You illegally acknowledge the transmission and benefit from
it by slowing down your automobile, or perhaps you drive in a different
direction entirely. I do not believe the Communications Act forbids
possession of any receiver; only the inappropriate use of a receiver,
but in the case of a radar detector, because of the limited range of
transmissions it receives, there is no appropriate or lawful type of
transmission it might be used to receive.  Therefore they are illegal
under federal law (appropriate sections of the Communications Act)
even if not specifically addressed under various state laws.

Today's trivia game! All these 'words' began as abbreviations for some
longer phrase. All relate to radio. What were the original phrases?

           RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

At least a couple of them should be quite easy. (As usual, this note
signed by PAT, the only person I know whose initials of his first,
middle and last name when put put together spell his first name.) PAT]  

------------------------------

From: Kdafni@aol.com
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:54:30 EST
Subject: Seeking Historical Information


To whom it may concern,

I would like some additional historical information that could not be
located within these pages.  Specifically, for the purpose of
research, I am looking for a chronological chart that will show the
technological advancement in the phone system over the past 100 years.

Your help will be kindly appreciated.


KDafni

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:09:03 -0800
From: Mel Beckman <mel@becknet.com>
Subject: Re: ISDN Viruses


John S. Maddaus said:

> As I said, we see the setup messages before the DMS100 and the called
> number fields are blank.  The equipment we use is special purpose and
> is either reporting accurately the setup messages, or translating
> literally control characters designed to hide the destination and
> origination.  Interestingly, the calling number for all of these calls
> is "UNUSED".

>> It sounds like you may be assuming that the originating LEC is sending
>> a faulty message, but I think that's ruled out by the fact that the
>> call gets routed to the destination.

> Not necessarily the originating LEC.  It is only  a pass through.
> However, a PBX could.  I have already confirmed that with default
> numbers populated that are not valid (such as 9998887777).

Then you have a genuine mystery on your hands. But I would say that
since you're using "special" equipment for your testing, that your
test apparatus may be in error. Clearly there is no way for the DMS to
route the call to you without the DMS first receiving destination DID
for the incoming call.


 - Mel Beckman

------------------------------

From: Lisa Higgins <LHiggins@carrieraccess.com>
Subject: 31337
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:06:08 -0700


That's B1FF5p34K (Biffspeak) for ELEET (elite), which describes the
awesome hacking powers of 500p3R-K-R4d1K3WL H4KK3r-D00D who used to
post to Usenet from his big brother's C0mPU73r!!1!!!

(Super-K-radical hacker dude who used to post from Usenet from his big
brother's computer!)

Or something like that. It's been a very long time, and I am SICK
today, so that's my excuse if I am wrong.

(Remember that stupid joke where you'd get a calculator and calculate
this weight-loss formula for Dolly Parton, and the answer would come
up as 55378008, and you'd say, "What would that leave Dolly Parton?"
and you'd turn the calculator upside down, to peals of raucous
laughter from all the other 12 year olds? Or not?)


Lisa

------------------------------

From: Flor Riklef <rik.flor@abbott.com>
Subject: 31337
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:25:55 -0600


31337 is "phracker-speak" for "elite", or more accurately in this case,
"eleet".

You know how it goes ... the alternating capital and lowercase
letters ... substituting numbers for letters:

"hey D00dz, cum find the b3st WaReZ on the Net H3r3!"


Rik

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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 16 Nov 99 21:55:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 554

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Extract From - CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 1999] (John Shaver)
    Re: 800-555-xxxx (re: AT&T Puts 800-555-1212 Up for Sale) (J. Oppenheimer)
    Demonizing Technology (was URBAN LEGEND ALERT) (Arthur Ross)
    Must Telemarketers and "Researchers" Identify Themselves? (Jonathan Seder)
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    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Andrew)
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    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Ed Ellers)
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    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Bruce F. Roberts)
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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:55:16 -0700
From: John Shaver <shaverj@theriver.com>
Subject: Extract From - CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 1999]


Frank and Karen Williams wrote:

 -------- Original Message --------
 From: Robert Miletich <robert.miletich@MILETICH.COM>
 Subject: [53L] Extract from - CRYPTO-GRAM, November 15, 1999
 To: 53listserv@ORATOR.USMA.EDU

 If you don't get the monthly Crypto-Gram, you don't get it. Bruce
 Schneier is a very timely security stud, reading his analysis is always
 provocative - for example, in this issue, a good discussion on the
 recent DVD Encryption Break.

 November 15, 1999

 by Bruce Schneier
         Founder and CTO
         Counterpane Internet Security, Inc.
         schneier@counterpane.com
         http://www.counterpane.com
 
 CRYPTO-GRAM is a free monthly newsletter providing summaries, analyses,
 insights, and commentaries on computer security and cryptography. Back
 issues are available at http://www.counterpane.com.  To subscribe, visit
 http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram.html or send a blank message to
 crypto-gram-subscribe@chaparraltree.com

 Copyright 1999 by Bruce Schneier

 (extract)
 
 DVD Encryption Broken
 
 The scheme to protect DVDs has been broken.  There are now freeware
 programs on the net that remove the copy protection on DVDs, allowing
 them to be played, edited, and copied without restriction.

 This should be no surprise to anyone, least of all to the entertainment
 industry. The protection scheme is seriously flawed in several ways.
 Each DVD is encrypted with something called Content Scrambling System
 (CCS).  It has a 40-bit key. (I have no idea why.  The NSA and the FBI
 shouldn't care about DVD encryption.  There aren't any encrypted
 terrorist movies they need to watch.)  It's not even a very good
 algorithm.  But even  if the encryption were triple-DES, this scheme

 
 Every DVD player, including hardware consoles that plug into your
 television and software players that you can download to your computer,
 has its own unique unlock key.  (Actually, each has several.  I don't
 know why.)  This key is used to unlock the decryption key on each DVD.
 A DVD has 400 copies of the same unique decryption key, each encrypted
 with every unlock code. Note the global secret:  if you manage to get
 one unlock key for one player, you can decrypt every DVD.

 But even if this were all perfect, the scheme could never work.  The
 flaw is in the security model.  The software player eventually gets the
 decryption key, decrypts the DVD, and displays it on the screen.  That
 decrypted DVD data is on the computer.  It has to be; there's no other
 way to display it on the screen.  No matter how good the encryption
 scheme is,
 the DVD data is available in plaintext to anyone who can write a
 computer program to take it.

 And so is the decryption key.  The computer has to decrypt the DVD.  The
 decryption key has to be in the computer.  So the decryption key is
 available, in the clear, to anyone who knows where to look.  It's
 protected by an unlock key, but the reader has to unlock it. The DVD
 software manufacturers were supposed to disguise the decryption program,
 and possibly the playing program, using some sort of software
 obfuscation techniques.  These techniques have never worked for very
 long;
 they only seem to force hackers to spend a couple of extra weeks
 figuring out how the software works.  I've written about this previously
 in relation to software copy protection; you can't obfuscate software.

 It might be a bitter pill for the entertainment industry to swallow, but
 software content protection does not work.  It cannot work.  You can
 distribute encrypted content, but in order for it to be read, viewed, or
 listened to, it must be turned into plaintext.  If it must be turned
 into plaintext, the computer must have a copy of the key and the
 algorithm to
 turn it into plaintext.  A clever enough hacker with good enough
 debugging tools will always be able to reverse-engineer the algorithm,
 get the key, or just capture the plaintext after decryption.  And he can
 write a software program that allows others to do it automatically.
 This cannot be stopped. If you assume secure hardware, the scheme
 works.  (In fact, the industry
 wants to extend the system all the way to the monitor, and eventually do
 the decryption there.)  The attack works because the hacker can run a
 debugger and other programming tools.  If the decryption device and the
 viewing device (it must be both) is inside a tamperproof piece of
 hardware, the hacker is stuck.  He can't reverse-engineer anything.  But
 tamperproof
 hardware is largely a myth, so in reality this would just be another
 barrier that someone will eventually overcome.  Digital content
 protection just doesn't work; ask anyone who tried software copy
 protection.

 One more lesson and an observation. The lesson:  This is yet another
 example of an industry meeting in secret
 and designing a proprietary encryption algorithm and protocol that ends
 up being embarrassingly weak.  I never understand why people don't use
 open, published, trusted encryption algorithms and protocols.  They're
 always better.

 The observation:  The "solution" that the entertainment industry has
 been pushing for is to make reverse-engineering illegal.  They managed
 in the United States:  the Digital Millennium Copyright Act includes
 provisions to this effect, despite the protests of the scientific and
 civil rights communities.  (Yes, you can go to jail for possessing a
 debugger.)  They got
 a similar law passed in the UK.  They're working on the EU.  This
 "solution" does not work and makes no sense.
 First, unless reverse-engineering is illegal everywhere on the planet,
 someone will be able to do it somewhere.  And one person is all you
 need; he can write software that everyone else uses.  Second, the
 reverse-engineer can-as in this case-work anonymously.  Laws wouldn't
 have helped in this case.  And third, laws can't put the cat back into
 the bag.  Even if you
 could catch and prosecute the hackers who did this, it wouldn't affect
 the hacker tools that have already been, and continue to be, written.

 What the entertainment industry can do, and what they have done in this
 case, is use legal threats to slow the spread of these tools.  So far
 the industry has threatened legal actions against people who have put
 these software tools on their Web sites.  The result will be that these
 tools will exist on hacker Web sites, but will never be in public-domain
 software --
 Linux, for example.
 
 The fatal flaw is that the entertainment industry is lazy, and is
 attempting to find a technological solution to what is a legal problem.
 It is illegal to steal copyrights and trademarks, whether it is a DVD
 movie, a magazine image, a Ralph Lauren shirt, or a Louis Vitton
 handbag.  This legal protection still exists, and is still strong.  For
 some reason the entertainment industry has decided that it has a legal
 right to the protection of its technology, and that makes no sense.

 Moreover, they are badgering legislatures into passing laws that prop up
 this flawed technological protection.  In the US and UK (and possibly
 soon in the EU), it is illegal to circumvent their technology, even when
 you never use it to violate a copyright.  It is illegal to engage in
 scientific research about the encryption used in these systems.  It is
 illegal to peek
 under the hood of this thing you have legally bought.  So not only does
 this system not work, it creates a black market where there was none
 before, while doing no social good in the process.

 This DVD break is a good thing.  It served no one's interests for the
 entertainment industry to put their faith in a bad security system.  It
 is good research, illustrating how bad the encryption algorithm is and
 how poorly thought out the security model is.  What is learned here can
 be applied to making future systems stronger.

 http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,32263,00.html
 http://www.ntk.net/index.cgi?back=archive99/now1029.txt

 Summary of the DVD encryption scheme:
 http://crypto.gq.nu

 Geek stuff:
 http://livid.on.openprojects.net/pipermail/livid-dev/1999-October/000548.html
 http://livid.on.openprojects.net/pipermail/livid-dev/1999-October/000589.html
 http://livid.on.openprojects.net/pipermail/livid-dev/1999-October/000609.html
 http://livid.on.openprojects.net/pipermail/livid-dev/1999-October/000671.html
 
 My essay on software copy protection:
 http://www.counterpane.com/crypto-gram-9811.html#copy

 My comments on the Digital Millennium Copyright Act:
 http://www.zdnet.com/pcweek/news/0622/22wipo.html

 New Intel software obfuscation techniques that, I predict, will be
 broken soon:
 http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/in110999.htm

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:06:02 -0500
From: Judith Oppenheimer <joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com>
Organization: ICB Toll Free News / WhoSells800.com
Subject: Re: 800-555-xxxx (re: AT&T Puts 800-555-1212 Up for Sale)


In a rush, no time to check tariffs etc., but for all practical purposes
 ...

Mark J Cuccia wrote:

> Since there has been competition in toll-free since the mid-to-late-1980s,
> and if AT&T doesn't want to provide 800-555-1212 anymore, maybe some
> consortium of carriers, or maybe even Lockheed/NASC or Telcordia/DSMI

Strictly database management, takes orders from the FCC

> should work out something for a single third-party under contract with the
> ... or ATIS-OBF-toll-free-SNAC

Strictly standards and practices, and operational issues -- not service
provision.

> should provide toll-free-directory
> for the NANP on 800-555-1212.

> I'm not exactly certain right now _WHO_ is involved with assigning,
> administering, etc. toll-free numbers and the toll-free number portability
> database -- I know that Lockhhed has been involved with it for a NUMBER of
> years (the NASC - Number Assignment Service Center) as well as a
> subsidiary of Bellcore-now Telcordia (the DSMI - Database Service
> Management Inc). JUDITH, some clarification here?

ONLY the FCC.  DSMI etc., as well as ATIS/SNAC, all take their
marching orders from the FCC.

> Also, there are _NUMEROUS_ "toll-free-directory" services out there with
> their own 800- dialup numbers, some (most? all?) use the 800-555 prefix.

There are also 800-555-xxxx assignees who do not use those numbers for
any form of directory assistance.

> Incidently, the FCC (with the concurracne fo Canada's CRTC?) has
> determined that there will be _NO_ assignments at this time (not even of
> -1212) to the 888-555 or 877-555 prefixes.

By letter dated April 2, 1998 to DSMI, the FCC directed DSMI "to place
all

"877-555-XXXX" numbers in unavailable status along with the
"888-555-XXXX"

numbers until the Commission has reached a decision on the issues
related to the development of competitive directory assistance
service."

Rather strange, given the portable assignment of 800-555-xxxx numbers,
and the denial of replication to those assignees ... What happened
here, was that AT&T had a hissy fit at SNAC, wanting not only its
replication of 888-555-1212, but ALL 888-555-xxxx numbers, claiming
there would be customer confusion ... again, pretty odd given that
other 800-555-xxxx's were already assigned elsewhere for non-800 DA
purposes ...

> 800-555-1212 Toll-Free Directory in the NANP is a PUBLIC SERVICE, IMO,
> and before the FCC rubber-stamps AT&T's request to discontinue it (within
> the US), I would _HOPE_ that the FCC has a 'pair of what it takes' to
> look into various possibilities of NANPA/DSMI/NASC/TRA/etc. handling or
> contracting it out to an imparitial entity which would have listings for
> _ALL_ "published" toll-free 800/888/877/etc. toll-free numbers in the
> NANP, under a "fair and impartial, uniform" type policy --- and not just
> "give in" to whatever AT&T or any other big-company carrier chooses to
> discontinue.

As you've noted, there are already other toll free directory services
available ... the usual issues are the sharing of customer files among
carriers, and at what cost ... also, how to make money providing the
service ... AT&T's release noted that of nearly 20 million toll free's
"assigned", it had only "roughly 750,000" listed ...

The big industry secret going back pre-888, is the fallacy of
"exhaust" ... how *so* many toll free numbers are assigned to pager
and voicemail systems, often held by the carriers themselves as the
assignees pending sale of those services.


Judith Oppenheimer, 1 800 The Expert, 212 684-7210
mailto:joppenheimer@icbtollfree.com
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Acquisition Management, Lost 800 # Retrieval, Litigation Support,
Regulatory Navigation, Correlating Trademark and Domain Name Issues.
------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:19:07 -0700
From: Arthur Ross <a.ross@ieee.org>
Subject: Demonizing Technology (was URBAN LEGEND ALERT)


Bill Levant wrote in TELECOM Digest Volume 19 Issue 551

>> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
>> power company sued, successfully.

>   Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in
> which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

>  I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer
> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating
> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs,
> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

Flat out hoax IMHO. It is physically very implausible. There is a
*good reason* that transformers have all that iron in them. While
something like this is not totally impossible, it would present
impedance matching difficulties that would make it thoroughly
impractical. Not to mention the misunderstanding of E&M 101 that
confuses "radiation" with magnetic coupling.

I think this may be an example, like Y2K and the guy supposedly cooked
by the microwave channel bank, of some kind of innate human need to
perceive sophisticated technical threats - something about our modern
society - perhaps a psychological urge to demonize technology that we
find subconciously threatening. The willingness to believe these urban
legends is perhaps a way to assuage pent-up hostility, in the same way
that "action-adventure" movies are a way to sublimate the frustrations
of daily life, bad bosses, etc. 

And there is no shortage of people, often with something to sell,
willing to tell us that all those fears are completely justified and
we have to protect ourselves (gee, that thread some months back about
"surge protectors" comes to mind ...). Like all the stuff about
"hackers" and eavesdropping on IP traffic and stealing credit card
numbers. All of you out there who are beginning to write and tell me
that these are real threats: STOP! I understand that these things are
possible, do happen, and all that. But I do think that the good ol'
standby methods of larceny will dominate by far for a long time -
flat-out pilferage, stealing the physical credit cards, corrupting
employees, dumpster-diving for the carbons, etc, etc. It's just that
the old standbys do not make good scare headlines that sell the
advertisers' products, while the mysterious techno-threats, however
implausible and/or rare, *do*.

Back to the subject of theft of power -- there are some places in the
world where this IS a real problem, not in the bogus way that this
hoax describes -- rather, in much more blatent, simple, old-fashioned
ways. This brings to mind a living example from my newspaper clipping
collection .... I've always thought that the sheer magnitude of the
40% "loss" estimate in the following is truly astonishing.

 From the Hindustan Times, a major English-language daily in New
Delhi, India, Wednesday November 2, 1994 (spelling and usage errors
are from the original):

"DESU mafia causing 40 p.c. power losses

"If the Delhi Electric Supply Undertaking (DESU) reduces the
transmission and distribution losses every by one per cent, the
Undertaking can set-up a new plant of 200 MW capacity per year to meet
the increasing power demand, according to engineers.

"According to the experts, DESU is losing over 40 percent power it
supplies to the consumers. DESU has not taken steps even after the
formation of the Government in Delhi last year, to check the power
losses. Rather transmission and distribution (T&D) losses have gone up
from 22.5 per cent last year to over 40 per cent this year, a DESU
engineer said.

"Even if DESU checks the unprecedented loss, power requirements of
Delhi-ites can easily be met and it would also be able to pay
regularly to the National Thermal Power Corporation (NTPC) for the
power DESU purchases from the Corporation, without the perpetual
accumulation of debt. DESU has to pay about Rs. 45 crore to NTPC every
month.

"The main T&D loss was due to power theft, with other violations like
misuse of domestic load for commercial purposes, using load in excess
to what had been sanctioned and peak load violation, contributing to
the T&D losses.

"DESU officials and other business houses cry that the losses were due
to misuse of power by jhuggi dwellers. A DESU engineer said it was not
true.  He said illegal connections in jhuggi was causing hardly five
per cent loss to DESU. The main culrpits in causing loss to DESU were
industrial units, and commercial houses, and illegal high rise
buildings. This section of society was mainly responsible for power
theft. The engineer said ther was a mafia operating in the Capital
causing T&D losses to DESU.

"The engineer did not rule out the connivance of DESU staff with the
industrial houses and commercial establishments in this racket,
causing a big financial loss to the Undertaking, the engineer said.

"...."

[Indo-English glossary: jhuggi=slum (I presume), Rs=Rupees (about
$0.03 US at the time of this article), crore = ten million]

And, to provide the de-rigour telecom connection, this kind of thing
is also very common in Indian telecom. Appartment blocks are often
covered with a rats' nest of wiring, including many creative souls who
piggyback on their neighbors' telephone service. Local operators
actually require, in some places, PINs for wire*line* calls because
service theft is such a widespread problem. Once saw a guy up a
telephone pole in the middle of rural nowhere, with a butt-set clipped
on the open-wire line - bet he wasn't the DoT maintenance guy.

Makes one appreciate the good ol' US of A a lot more, eh?


   -- Best regards,
   -- Arthur (from Phoenix)

------------------------------

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>
Subject: Must Telemarketers and "Researchers" Identify Themselves?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:20:01 -0800
Organization: SyntelSoft Inc


Lately, I have begun to ask telemarketers and "market researchers" to
give me their exact company name, telephone number, address, corporate
structure (corporation, sole proprietorship, etc), and agent for
service of process before I disclose any information about myself or
my business.

Inevitably, the person who has telephoned me denies having even a
phone number or address.  Inevitably, their Caller ID is blocked or
unavailable.

Of course I don't give out any information at all to someone who won't
identify themselves properly -- but I wonder if it is legal for people
to call this way, and if not, what the penalties might be under
Federal and state laws.  Must a caller like this identify themselves?

------------------------------

From: <ranck@joesbar.cc.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 16 Nov 1999 21:23:36 GMT
Organization: Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, Virginia, USA


PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong on this.  High-tension lines,
at least in the USofA are almost exclusively AC.  I think there are
some DC testbed lines set up, but not to any great extent.

This is one technical argument that Edison lost.  He favored DC
transmission lines, but AC was more practical because you can easily
transform the voltage with AC.


*****************************************************************************
* Bill Ranck                +1-540-231-3951                    ranck@vt.edu *   
*    Virginia Polytechnic Institute & State University, Computing Center    *
*****************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Andrew <andrew@kill-9.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 16 Nov 1999 22:22:27 GMT
Organization: Kill-9 Industries


PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

> Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote in message news:telecom19.551.16@
> telecom-digest.org:

>>> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
>>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
>>> power company sued, successfully.

>>    Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in
>> which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

>>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer
>> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating
>> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs,
>> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

Tension is the French word for voltage and the term 'high tension'
derives from the french 'haute tension' which neither connotes or
denotes AC or DC, but simply means -- you guessed it -- high voltage.

This is really beside the point, because the percentage of power
lines that are DC is very tiny, and even if you were correct, you
wouldn't be disproving the story.

Methinks you don't have a clue what the word potential means in
this context.

> Complete and total bunk.

Totally plausible.

> PD


Andrew

------------------------------

From: mcmicken@nospam.ix.netcom.com (Ross McMicken)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:31:54 GMT


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:16 -0500, PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net>
wrote:

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

> Complete and total bunk.

I was under the impression that the high voltage lines running across
the country are AC. What you are saying is that the power companies
generate AC power, convert it to DC for the trip through the high
voltage grid, then convert it back to AC for consumer use? Sounds
wrong to me.

------------------------------

From: Ed Ellers <ed_ellers@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:20:16 -0500


PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is not
> amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz signal on high
> voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60  hz are of too low a
> potential to make this sort of thing possible.

> Complete and total bunk.

Your answer certainly is.  Long-distance power transmission lines most
certainly *do* handle 60 Hz AC rather than DC.  If they used DC, it
would be difficult (and inefficient) to step voltage up or down as
needed, not to mention to convert the DC back to AC for local
distribution.

------------------------------

From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Organization: Providence Network Partners
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:23:44 GMT


In article <telecom19.551.16@telecom-digest.org>, Wlevant@aol.com says:

>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer 
> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating 
> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs, 
> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

Were the lost lightbulbs fluorescents? If they were close enough to
the radiating source those would light up.


== Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR
== Trustee WE1RD


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I did not think there was such a
thing as a 100 watt flourescent tube. Incadescent, yes, flourescent,
no. 40 watt and 25 watt flourescent tubes are very common. Maybe some
outdoor, all-weather type electric signs use 100 watt flourescents
but they are special, and very expensive tubes. Hardly worth stealing
electricity to use.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: Bruce F. Roberts <bfr1@att.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:48:42 -0600
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services


While there is continuing work on efficient AC/DC/AC conversion and
/some/ lines are now DC the bulk of high tension, long distance,
transmission lines are still AC at 60 Hz.

PhoneDude wrote:

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

> Complete and total bunk.

------------------------------

From: coredump@NOxSPAM.enteract.com (Coredump)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:12:24 GMT
Organization: Cores' Internet and Storm Door Company


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:16 -0500, PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

> Bill Levant <Wlevant@aol.com> wrote in message news:telecom19.551.16@
> telecom-digest.org:

>>> However, there are some precedents regarding ownership of EM
>>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The
>>> power company sued, successfully.

>>    Citations, please.  Name of power company?  Name of farmer?  Court in
>> which this took place?  Dates?  Places??

>>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer
>> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating
>> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs,
>> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is

Not True. Wherever did you get that idea ?

> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.


coredump@NOSPAM.enteract.com
http://www.enteract.com/~coredump
I'm in the middle of the Information Superhighway

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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 16 Nov 99 23:46:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 555

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the Saga Continues (Evan Brown)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Brett Frankenberger)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Tony Pelliccio)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Kim Brennan)
    Re: 2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion (Maurice R. Baker)
    Re: Is the Right of Freedom of Speech in Jeopardy? (Tony Pelliccio)
    VOIP Gateway forsale (Steve Qualls)
    Re: ISDN Viruses (Fred Goldstein)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Reed)
    Driving Me Crazy!!!! (Brian Crawford)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Derek Balling)
    Fence-Sitting on Telcoms Merger (Monty Solomon)
    Eleet (David B. Horvath)
    Re: An Anonymous Example (BPM Mixmaster Remailer)

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:04:05 CST
From: Evan Brown <evan@unixguru.com>
Subject: DSC/Alcatel vs. Evan Brown, the Saga Continues


Nothing new in my lawsuit.  We are still waiting for Judge Henderson
to rule on DSC's June 10th hearing.  (Second Motion to Compel and for
Sanctions).

I thought you would also be interested the DSC vs. Samsung lawsuit
which is now in the Dallas County State District Court, Judge Evans
presiding.  Opening arguments are scheduled to begin Monday, Nov 29th.

My interest in this lawsuit is that it is probably a good indicator of
what I can expect when my lawsuit goes to trial.

The following article was in the Nov 16th Dallas Morning News business
section.

                     ------------------------

Judge imposes limits on Alcatel spectators
Media lawyer says ruling is gag order 11/16/99

By Jennifer Files / The Dallas Morning News

A state judge in Dallas on Monday barred spectators from portions of a
high-stakes telecommunications trial unless they promise not to disclose
some information discussed in the courtroom.

The order, signed Monday by state District Judge David Evans, is
intended to protect trade secrets at the heart of the 3-year-old
lawsuit between Alcatel USA Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. Media
experts said it could limit the ability of news organizations to cover
the case.  The Dallas Morning News said the newspaper plans to seek
appellate review.

"The theory of the law is you don't stop speech; you punish if it's
misused," said Terence M. Murphy, a partner with Jones, Day, Reavis &
Pogue in Dallas, who is representing The News. "This is in a sense a
gag order," Mr. Murphy said. "If you sign the agreement, you are
effectively gagged.  If you don't sign the order, you can't go to
court and these things are kept confidential and you are again
gagged."

The lawsuit was filed in 1996, after Samsung hired nine engineers from
DSC Communications Inc., a Plano-based company that Alcatel bought.

DSC alleged that Samsung had hired the employees to steal some of its
digital switching technology, which operates telecommunications
networks.  Alcatel took over the case after buying DSC.  The Paris-based
company, with U.S. headquarters in Plano, is seeking $425 million in 
actual damages, plus punitive damages.

Alcatel and an attorney for the company declined to comment.

Technology companies hire away each other's employees all the time, and
it's fairly common for companies to sue.

Such lawsuits have increased as North Texas' technology job market
tightens, said Ron Robinson, president of Richardson's Technology
Business Council.  "We never heard anything like this prior to three
or four years ago.

"It is a doubled-edged sword that we think is unfortunate in the
marketplace.  You can sue today and be sued tomorrow."

This case is unusual because the former DSC workers never signed
noncompete contracts, said R. Laurence Macon, who is representing
Samsung, based in Seoul, South Korea.  The company's main U.S. office
is in Richardson.

"This lawsuit is totally contrary to the climate of mobility that
exists in these high-tech companies," said Mr. Macon, a partner with
the San Antonio office of Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld.

DSC had a history of fighting hard to protect its trade secrets,
Mr. Robinson said.

The company won some previous Texas lawsuits that hinged on the
concept of "inevitable disclosure," he said. "Inevitable disclosure
says if you leave and go to another company, there's just no way you
can't take the knowledge you gained ... and give your new company some
advantage," Mr. Robinson said.

In fact, Alcatel made the motion to seal the record in the case, which
in turn spawned the gag order, Mr. Murphy said.

The confidentiality order is intended "to prevent the unauthorized use
or disclosure of the alleged trade secrets and proprietary
information," according to the agreement that spectators would be
asked to sign.

It won't affect the entire trial, but spectators couldn't stay in the
courtroom during discussions of exhibits that have been sealed without
promising not to reveal them.

Lawyers and witnesses can't let the jury know about the confidentiality 
order or make "any statement that would indicate that courtroom access
is being limited or that any exhibit or testimony is or is not
maintained under seal," according to the order.

"There is precedent for having spectators sign such agreements," said
Charles L. Babcock, a lawyer for the Jackson Walker law firm in Dallas.
"Having members of the media sign such an agreement is a very serious
matter," said Mr.  Babcock, who added he does not know of such a precedent.

Such an order could essentially require reporters "to attend a trial
on the condition that they not report on it," Mr. Babcock said.


      Copyright 1999 The Dallas Morning News

------------------------------

From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: 17 Nov 1999 00:41:35 GMT
Organization: rbfnet


In article <telecom19.552.8@telecom-digest.org>, Anthony Argyriou
<anthony@alphageo.com> wrote:

> On 15 Nov 1999 22:19:48 GMT, rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)
> wrote:

>> I've heard this story and never bothered to check if it's a bogus urban
>> legend or if it actually happened.  Regardless, the case wouldn't be
>> about 60Hz EM radiation.  The portion of the power that is radiated is
>> very small, and once it's radiated, it's gone forever from the power
>> company, regardless of whether it ends up being harnessed by a farmer,
>> heating the earth, or propogating off into space.  They'd have a tough
>> time claiming ownership of power that they routinely and knowingly
>> transmit away from their lines.

>> The stealing would be as a result of the farmer harnessing the *static*
>> EM field created by the power lines.  A direct result of that would be
>> an additional, measurable, loss of power from the transmission lines
>> (there would be an additional voltage "drop"[1] near the barn).

> Wrong. 

Not.  Sigh.

> The power radiated is very small, but the power loss can be
> large if there is a coil to pick up the _variable_ magnetic field
> created by the AC. You can't do this trick with a DC power line,
> unless you vibrate the coil, to create AC.

"Static" in the context in which I used it means "non propogating". 
Yes, of course the magnetic and electric field surrounding an AC
transmission line are variable.  And, yes, of course, that variability
makes it easier to "steal" power from the line.  But the power is being
stolen from the non-radiating (i.e. non-propogating) fields, and such
fields, at any frequency, are not themselves regulated by the FCC or
the communications act of 1934.  And the stealing of power from such
fields induces counter-EMFs back into the power line, resulting in
additional power loss for the power company.

The radiating (propogating) fields represent power that is already
lost, regardless of what is subsequently done with the power contained
in said radiation.


 -- Brett

------------------------------

From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Organization: Providence Network Partners
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:46:02 GMT


In article <telecom19.553.11@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM  Digest
Editor asked:

> Today's trivia game! All these 'words' began as abbreviations for some
> longer phrase. All relate to radio. What were the original phrases?

>            RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

RADAR = Radio Detection and Range, SONAR I don't know, same with LORAN. 
ELF = Extremely Low Frequency, AM = Amplitude Modulation, FM = Frequency 
Modulation, VHF - Very High Frequency and UHF - Ultra High Frequency. 

Or at least that's what I remember. 


== Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR
== Trustee WE1RD

------------------------------

From: kim@aol.com (Kim Brennan)
Date: 16 Nov 1999 21:59:26 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing For PC Privacy?


>           RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

AM=Amplitude Modulation
FM=Frequency Modulation
VHF=Very High Frequency
UHF=Ultra High Frequency.

My brain cells have obviously had insufficient caffiene today as I can't
remember the exact definition for RADAR and SONAR ... :(


Kim Brennan
Duo 2300c, PB 2400, VW Fox Wagon GL, Corrado SLC, Vanagon GL Syncro
http://members.aol.com/kim
Duo Info Page:  http://members.aol.com/kim/computer/duo/duoindex.html
?'s should include "Duo" in subject, else they'll be deleted unread.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But you neglected to take a guess at
LORAN and ELF.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: Maurice R Baker <mrbaker@att.com>
Subject: Re: 2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:10:09 -0500
Organization: AT&T
Reply-To: mrbaker@att.com


Take a look at (for starters) ----

    http://www.tellabs.com/products/analog/index.shtml

There are several devices shown there which probably will fit your need,
depending on the specific situation, and provide the 2W-4W
functionality.

I'm sure several other companies make this sort of analog equipment
(although not as common as it used to be pre-digital xmission ... this
is becoming more and more a piece of 'legacy' hardware) but Tellabs
came to mind first and in my experience, they have always been good
with pre-purchase technical support, documentation (the correct term
is "practices" in this case :-), etc. from the sales engineer who
takes your call.  In fact there is a "Request More Information" link
on the above mentioned webpage with an e-form to fill out as well as a
telephone number to call for more immediate support.

Good luck !  I think it'll work out fine.

Reuben Wall wrote:

> I am searching for a product, and I was hoping someone reading can
> help point me in the right direction.

> I have to connect two modems together, each in different cities.  I
> have a standard 2-wire analog modem interface on one side.  I have a
> basic 4-wire interface on the other side.  I need to connect them
> together!

> This is a leased line network (not dialup).  There is no E&M
> signalling.  There is a transmit, transmit return, a receive and
> receive return (4 wires).  There will be no DC voltages on the link.

> I need an external "box" that will convert from a 4-wire modem to a
> 2-wire modem. I am not looking for the individual electronic
> componets, but a commercial product that will do this. Maximum speed
> is 2400 and MUST be full-duplex.

------------------------------

From: nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio)
Subject: Re: Is the Right of Freedom of Speech in Jeopardy?
Organization: Providence Network Partners
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:38:09 GMT


In article <telecom19.551.8@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM Digest Editor
 noted in response to Jenkinmw@sverdrup.com:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: We covered this in some detail over
> the last weekend. I've looked at some of the messages in the flame
> war there and they are pretty bad, and pretty tasteless, but I do
> not know who started what. There was so much to read I had to give
> up without reading it all. The really disturbing part of it to me 
> is Police Officer Shirey thinking she has any say-so and using her
> authority -- misusing it in my opinion -- to send orders to the
> others there. Hopefully also, the judge will fall out of favor with
> whatever politicians got her in office and she won't be around much
> longer either. It really is bad news seeing a judge take over a
> newsgroup on the net and reading that the police have been monitoring
> it as well. That kind of thing can happen to any newsgroup on the
> net, and it is better to get it stopped as soon as possible.  PAT]

Let us not forget that "Two Buddha" has the right to appeal the judge's 
ruling. It'd be great if he could get the Supreme Court of the U.S. to 
issue a writ of certiorari. We'd see the judge who issued the original 
ruling off the bench in no time. 


== Tony Pelliccio, KD1S formerly KD1NR
== Trustee WE1RD

------------------------------

From: Steve Qualls <steve@wnol.net>
Subject: VOIP Gateway For Sale
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:50:09 -0500
Organization: WebNet Inc.


I have a Multitech VOIP gateway up for auction at ebay paid $1500.00
bids start @200

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=201924289

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:53:41 -0500
From: Fred Goldstein <fgoldstein@wn.net>
Subject: Re: USWest Residential ADSL vrs. Qwest LD


In V19I550, Paul Lustgraff wrote, about Guy Helmer's problem,

>> A USWest customer rep said Qwest must be misunderstanding the "Megabit
>> DSL" designation as not being a residential line.  USWest says they
>> are not sending Qwest disconnection notices. Qwest says there isn't
>> anything wrong, but obviously something is broken in a system
>> somewhere.  Advice on how to get this insidious problem escalated and
>> solved would be appreciated.

> This has to be a US Worst problem, because it is happening to other
> people in Iowa with other LD carriers, including AT&T.

But it won't be a problem for long.  Assuming Qwest takes ownership of
USW, then it will become subject to Section 271 prohibitions on Bell
in-region LD service.  Qwest will have to give up all of its
subscribers in the US West region.  So Guy Helmer will have to get a
new LD provider anyway!

------------------------------

From: Reed <ReedH@rmi.net>
Organization: None whatsoever
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:56:54 -0700


> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

> Complete and total bunk.

Excuse me !! Nikola Tesla is rolling in his grave. The only way consumer
electric power is transmitted from generating station to consumer is via
AC, Alternating Current, the entire distance, with step-up and step-down
transformers as required.


 --reed

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:19:48 -0600
From: Brian Crawford <QA0146@email.mot.com>
Organization: Motorola NSS
Subject: Driving Me Crazy !!!!


I've written you with this before, no answer.  I'm tempted to try
again.  Please help if you can.  Dig deep in your memory banks:

About eight or nine years ago, someone posted an (800) number for
international call home services.  It was a uniform number in which
the last three digits were replaced with the country code for the
country's call home service.  For example, the number for
U.K. callhome was (800) XXX-XX044, for Australia (800) XXX_XX061, etc.
X was a constant.

I've spent hours searching with the search engine with no luck.

I've used this number as recently as 1995 with success, but have now
lost it.

Can you please help?


Thanks,

Brian Crawford

tel;pager:800-759-7243 PIN 1570176
tel;fax:847-632-3733
tel;work:847-632-5801
org:Motorola NSS;3G CDMA BTS DSP Software Development (QC512)
email;internet:qa0146@email.mot.com
title:Senior Engineer


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The message you are referring to
was in this Digest on Thursday, September 7, 1989, Vol 9 Issue 355.
It was submitted by John Keator, via John R. Covert and has been
reprinted below for your reference. 
          
               ======================================

  TELECOM Digest     Thu, 7 Sep 89 00:00:07 CDT    Volume 9 : Issue 355

  Today's Topics:                             Moderator: Patrick Townson

      Country Direct Numbers (John Keator, NPR, via John R. Covert
      DC Area Dialing Procedure Changes (Greg Monti, NPR, via John R. Covert)
      Directory Enquiries (UK) (Kevin Hopkins)
      Help, Weird Equipment Required! (Dave Madsen)
      New Jersey Bell Strike Settled! (Mark Robert Smith)

 [Moderator's Note: You should have received several Digests Wednesday
 evening/Thursday AM to catch up on the huge backlog of messages here. In
 a special edition of the Digest this weekend, Larry Lippman discusses
 a central office in great detail. To be distributed Saturday.  PT]
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 89 18:57:40 -0700
 From: "John R. Covert  05-Sep-1989 2128" <covert@covert.enet.dec.com>
 Subject: Country Direct Numbers

 [This message, and the one that follows, were forwarded to the Digest
  by John Covert, who received them from the parties named at NPR.  PT]

 From:   John Keator, National Public Radio
 Date:   5 Sept 89
 To:     Telecom Digest
 Re:     Country Direct Numbers

 In researching the availability of the reverse of USA Direct numbers for 
 an upcoming international conference we are co-hosting I received the 
 following list from AT&T.  Most of these numbers are for collect calls 
 only as many do not have calling cards.  Denmark has the additional 
 restriction of only being available from 3PM to 10 PM, (the time zone is 
 not indicated,); apparently they feel the service only warrants one shift.

 ALL NUMBERS ARE 800-

 Australia       682-2878
 Austria         624-0043
 Belgium         N/A
 Denmark         762-0045
 Finland         232-0358
 France          537-2623
 FR Germany      292-0049
 Hong Kong       992-2323
 Italy           543-7662
 Japan           543-0051
 Korea           882-8256
 Netherlands     432-0031
 New Zealand     248-0064
 Norway          292-0047
 Sweden          345-0046
 Switzerland     N/A
 UK              445-5667

 I'm sure there are others, but these are the countries I requested.  
 There is apparently no single book with all numbers included.  Now, I 
 wonder what rate is charged for these calls?

 John Keator
 NPR Washington
 202 822 2800

 [Note from John Covert:  I called Italy and Germany, both of which accept
 collect calls only (no credit cards) and charge as follows:

 Italy: 		4721 L ($3.34)/min 6p-7a otherwise 6000 L ($4.25)/min
 Germany: 	DM 24 ($12.13) first minute, DM 3.22 ($1.63) ea addl minute]

                      =========================


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note in 1999: I hope the above is what you were 
seeking. It is doubtful many of those numbers are still operational,
but who knows.   PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:53:51 -0800
From: Derek J. Balling <dredd@megacity.org>
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names


> Do you also claim the
> right to set up a company called, say, "International Business
> Machines, Inc."?  Whether it's "Inc." or "Ltd." or "Company", the
> suffix doesn't change the fact that you're violating the "International
> Business Machines" trademark, does it?

Keep in mind, of course, that if you don't use the trademark in the
same sphere in which it is registered, then you are not technically
violating the trademark. Thus the fact that there are many many
companies who share popular names, because the two companies don't
compete in the same markets, thus there is no chance of confusion.

I'm drawing a blank for an example (because I'm at work and its been a
long day) but I'm sure other readers of the Digest can happily supply
them. :)


D

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 02:36:48 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Fence-Sitting on Telcoms Merger


Reuters 
3:00 a.m. 15.Nov.1999 PST 

The US Justice Department, which would have to approve a planned US$115 
billion telecoms merger of MCI WorldCom and Sprint, has not yet taken a 
position, a spokeswoman said Saturday. 

"The department is not leaning one way or the other on this 
transaction," spokeswoman Gina Talamona said. "We have just begun our 
review. When it is completed the department will make its decision based 
on the law and the relevant facts concerning this transaction." 

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,32537,00.html 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:09:35 -0500
From: dhorvath@cobs.com (David B. Horvath, CCP)
Subject: Eleet


31337
ELEET  (a 3 looks *like* a backward E, a 1 looks *like* an L, and a 7 looks
*like* at T). 

It is a cracker/phreaker wanna-be sort of thing.


David B. Horvath, CCP
Consultant, Author, International Lecturer, Adjunct Professor
Board Member, ICCP Educational Foundation

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:40:04 -0800 (PST)
From: BPM Mixmaster Remailer <remailer@bpm.ai>
Subject: Re: An Anonymous Example  
Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net


>>> This is what it will look like. It will always be from the above
>>> address, with a subject line, and then the disclaimer message
>>> which is shown below.
>>> --
>>> www.cotse.com/anonmail.htm
>>> Message sent via the COTSE Anonymous E-mail.
>>> This message did not originate from the address
>>> in the from line.  It originated from an anonymous
>>> source. COTSE is not responsible for the contents 
>>> of this message.

>> Wow, I actually saw someone using it already on one of the religious
>> newsgroups.  They were accusing someone of having sex with animals.

>> Great public service, Pat!

> In alt.rhode_island there was a post from "Benjamin Phelps" touting
> the WBC's Nov. 22nd visit to Providence, RI. I can't wait, I've always
> wanted a chance to speak to the 'reverend' face to face, shotgun in tow.

> Guess who it said the poster was - yup - COTSE. 

So your argument is "People shouldn't make something that COULD be
used to harm another person"? People shouldn't create remailers
because they COULD be used to harass or slander someone else? What
about telephones? People have spread plenty of slanderous gossip over
telephone lines. What about automobiles - a person COULD use one to
aid in a getaway from a bank robbery.  What about ladders - a person
COULD use a ladder to creep through an open second-story window and
rape a child. What about rocks - a person COULD pick up a rock and
smash someone over the head with it. What about rope - a person COULD
use a length of rope to tie up a kidnap victim.

Such a tired worn-out line of argument. Controlling human behavior is
much more difficult than controlling things - things can be registered,
taxed, legislated, regulated, and confiscated so much more easily.
Kill somebody with a gun? - simple we'll simply ban guns and the
problem will go away.  People using pay phones and pagers to sell
drugs? - no problem we'll merely build wiretap capability into the
system to root out these evil-dooers.  People using encryption to hide
their subversive anti-government thoughts - right, we'll mandate
key-escrow and key-recovery schemes into every encryption product sold
to civilians.

I posted this article using an anonymous remailer to protect myself
from you and a government I have learned to fear.


Steve
living in the USSA


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: They keep telling me I am going to
be in *big trouble* the first time someone uses COTSE (and all I
do is point at it for Gawd's sake, I don't even run the cgi-bin
for it here) to send them a nasty letter, etc. I keep asking them
how come the postal service does not get in *big trouble* each time
someone deposits an obscene letter in a mailbox receptable without
a valid return address on it. They won't answer that of course; they
have no answer except that postal service has big, powerful lawyers
in the Justice Department working for it; a Usenet newsgroup moder-
ator on the other hand is likely to be someone like myself: a person
who cooks carrots and pees in the same pot, and feels grateful for
that much a week from this coming Thursday (US Thanksgiving Day).
Next thing you know, we will be in trouble for even telling people
where the post office is located to start with; aiding and abetting
them and all that. PAT]

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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 17 Nov 99 16:00:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 556

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Larry Finch)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (John Nagle)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (J.F. Mezei)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Michael G. Koerner)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Neal McLain)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Hudson Leighton)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Mike Riddle)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Cortland Richmond)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Al Dykes)
    Long Distance Power Transmission (was >WHOOP<  >WHOOP<) (Danny Burstein)
    Re: Demonizing Technology (was URBAN LEGEND ALERT!) (Ted Byfield)

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From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:01:19 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Reply-To: LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net


Ross McMicken wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:28:16 -0500, PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net>
> wrote:

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
>> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
>> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
>> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

>> Complete and total bunk.

> I was under the impression that the high voltage lines running across
> the country are AC. What you are saying is that the power companies
> generate AC power, convert it to DC for the trip through the high
> voltage grid, then convert it back to AC for consumer use? Sounds
> wrong to me.

This is done extensively in Europe (and has been for 20 years or
more), but not much in the US. DC is better for long distance
transmission because there is less energy loss through capacitance
between the transmission lines and the earth. But the problem of
converting from AC to DC back to AC (especially the back to AC part)
is a difficult one.


Larry Finch
::LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net      larry@prolifics.com
::LarryFinch@aol.com               PDCLarry@aol.com
::(whew!)
N 40 53' 47"
W 74 03' 56"

------------------------------

From: John Nagle <nagle@animats.com>
Organization: Animats
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:46:42 -0800


Bruce F. Roberts wrote:

> While there is continuing work on efficient AC/DC/AC conversion and
> /some/ lines are now DC the bulk of high tension, long distance,
> transmission lines are still AC at 60 Hz.

> PhoneDude wrote:

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
>> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
>> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
>> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

>> Complete and total bunk.

    Correct.  Very few high-tension lines are DC.  There are a few
long DC links, typically between systems that don't run synchronized.
An example is one between two of the home islands of Japan, shown at

     http://www.meppi.com/html/dc_transmission.html

There's also a cross-Channel link between England and France.  The
concept is simple; a chopper feeding an L/C circuit for smoothing.
But the scale is huge; acres of equipment are required for
gigawatt-sized transmission systems.  That's why such links are rare.

As for running off ambient ELF, I know of at least one product design
effort that tried to do it commercially for a low-power display at bus
stops.  (Solar panels get vandalized or stolen.)  They didn't have
time to develop it fully and went with batteries, but the concept is
worth pursuing.  The main problem is that you need some antenna
length, which is a problem for small micropowered devices.  You're not
going to get much power this way, but you could charge up a capacitor
for peak loads, and maybe drive a smoke detector or a pager.


John Nagle

------------------------------

From: J.F. Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:15:32 -0500


Ross McMicken wrote:

> I was under the impression that the high voltage lines running across
> the country are AC. What you are saying is that the power companies
> generate AC power, convert it to DC for the trip through the high
> voltage grid, then convert it back to AC for consumer use? Sounds
> wrong to me.

An electrical engineer once told me that DC lines allowed much higher
voltages and hence lower current (and lesser loss). If your line is
long enough, at one point it starts to pay to get those lines in DC
and convert it to AC at the city.

For an example of a DC transmission line, you can look at the
following PDF document from Hydro Quebec.

http://www.hydroquebec.com/transenergie/en/pdf/network_map.pdf

It shows a 450 kV DC line from Radisson to the USA border. (it is in
green).  So it is definitely not fiction. I beleive it was built after
the original lines from the James Bay project.

------------------------------

From: Michael G. Koerner <mgk920@dataex.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 01:10:49 -0600
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Reply-To: mgk920@dataex.com


Ed Ellers wrote:

> PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is not
>> amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz signal on high
>> voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60  hz are of too low a
>> potential to make this sort of thing possible.

>> Complete and total bunk.

> Your answer certainly is.  Long-distance power transmission lines most
> certainly *do* handle 60 Hz AC rather than DC.  If they used DC, it
> would be difficult (and inefficient) to step voltage up or down as
> needed, not to mention to convert the DC back to AC for local
> distribution.

ALL of what I call the 'high energy' power lines (the big tower
transmission lines) that *I* know of are 3 phase AC.  Some of them can
really SIZZLE in humid weather, too.

One of the BIGGEST drawbacks to DC is that it cannot be transmitted
more than a few kilometers.  We would need powerplants in nearly every
neighborhood had DC been the selected standard.

Reed wrote:

> Excuse me !! Nikola Tesla is rolling in his grave. The only way consumer
> electric power is transmitted from generating station to consumer is via
> AC, Alternating Current, the entire distance, with step-up and step-down
> transformers as required.

The *ONLY* reason that *I* can think of for an AC/DC/AC conversion in a
public power grid is to turn 60 hz to 50 hz (and vice-versa) at
international borders.

The newer AC traction railroad locomotives use an AC to DC to AC
rectifier/inverter system, this to turn the power from the main
generator into a form of variable cycle rate AC that can be used by the
traction motors attached to the wheels.  Older design DC locomotives
still have the 3 phase main generators, but the traction motors use the
rectified DC directly.

As Tesla learned long ago, 3 phase AC is the most efficient way to
generate electricity -- for example, why do we have AC 'alternators' in
our cars (with their diode rectifier banks) instead of DC 'generators'???

The AC power used in our homes uses ONE pole ('hot' wire) of the 3 phase
main with the neutral '4th' wire being the power 'return'.  The
'neutral' wire is a center wire between all three 'hots' and is also a
direct ground connection.  IMHO, a coil capture of energy from a nearby
high energy power line is very plausable.


Regards,

Michael G. Koerner
Appleton, WI

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:23:03 -0500
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!


In TD V19:555, Reed <ReedH@rmi.net> wrote (quoting an earlier
post written by (PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net>):

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is
>> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
>> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
>> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

>> Complete and total bunk.

> Excuse me !! Nikola Tesla is rolling in his grave. The only way consumer
> electric power is transmitted from generating station to consumer is via
> AC, Alternating Current, the entire distance, with step-up and step-down
> transformers as required.

The statement that "'High-tension lines' are DC" is most certainly
complete and total bunk.  Virtually the entire power grid operates 
at AC.  The most common frequencies are 60 Hz in North America and 
50 Hz in Europe.  In most of the rest of the world it's either 50 
or 60 Hz.

As Reed notes, "electric power is transmitted from generating station
to consumer ... via AC, Alternating current, ... with step-up and
step-down transformers as required."  Of course: transformers don't
work at DC!
  
Fundamental principle: if you want to induce a voltage into a wire
with a magnetic field, there must be relative motion between the wire
and the field.  In a generator, the wire (rotor) is moved relative to
a magnetic field.  In a transformer, the wire (the secondary winding)
is fixed, but the field "moves" over the course of each cycle.  But it
only "moves" if it's AC.

PhoneDude is correct in noting that, "DC ... is not amenable to
'stealing' power with a coil" because if the so-called high-tension
line really was DC, there would be no relative motion between the
radiated magnetic field and the farmer's coil.

But high tension lines *aren't* DC; they're AC.  

Still, the farmer probably wouldn't get much power.  Most electric
transmission lines are three phase, and consist of three physical
wires, one per phase, plus one or more ground wires.  Each of the
three phase wires is continually radiating a magnetic field, but each
field is 120 degrees out of phase with respect to the other two.

The farmer's coil would receive magnetic fields from all three, so
all three would induce voltages into the coil.  But these voltages 
are equal and 120 degrees apart.  Net result: they'd cancel each 
other out, leaving a net voltage of zero.

The only way the farmer could steal power would be to install his
pick-up wire right next to one of the phase wires, so that it 
would receive more voltage from one phase than from the other two.  
Unfortunately for the farmer, this arrangement might be difficult 
to hide.  

One last comment: in the United States, there is one notable DC link
in the nationwide power grid.  The entire power grid in the eastern US
operates at 60 Hz AC locked to a master clock located at American
Electric Power in North Canton, Ohio.  The power grid in the western
US also operates at 60 HZ, locked to a different master clock.

For reasons I've never understood, our electric power industry has
never been able to lock the two master clocks together.  So the only
way to transmit power between the two grids is by a DC link.  And
that's exactly what they do: somewhere in Nebraska, there's a DC link
between two motor/generator sets.  AC from one side is converted to
DC, sent across the link, then converted back to AC.

Some day before I die, I want to visit that link.  Maybe I'll swing by
Junction City to see if Pat wants to join me.


  Neal McLain 
  nmclain@compuserve.com

------------------------------

From: hudsonl@skypoint.com (Hudson Leighton)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 07:20:44 -0600
Organization: SkyPoint Communications, Inc.


In article <telecom19.555.9@telecom-digest.org>, Reed <ReedH@rmi.net>
wrote:

> Excuse me !! Nikola Tesla is rolling in his grave. The only way consumer
> electric power is transmitted from generating station to consumer is via
> AC, Alternating Current, the entire distance, with step-up and step-down
> transformers as required.

There are DC power lines in the USA, there is one that runs from the 
Dakotas to near Minneapolis, MN.  There is a large blue building with 
some very LARGE inverters in it.  The reason for DC is that you only 
need two wires, so you save lots of money on wire and that also allows 
you to use lighter towers which also saves money.  As I understand it 
the voltage is so high that the DC resistance losses are negligable.

I have seen the "fluorescent light trick" done a couple of times,
once at a power plant, and in the field.  Both times it was
around very high voltage power equipment.  The bulb kinda glows, 
it does not fully light up.


http://www.skypoint.com/~hudsonl

------------------------------

From: Mike Riddle <mriddle@oasis.novia.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 17 Nov 1999 07:27:02 -0600
Organization: Solitary, Poor, Nasty, Brutish & Short
Reply-To: mriddle@oasis.novia.net


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I did not think there was such a
> thing as a 100 watt flourescent tube. Incadescent, yes, flourescent,
> no. 40 watt and 25 watt flourescent tubes are very common. Maybe some
> outdoor, all-weather type electric signs use 100 watt flourescents
> but they are special, and very expensive tubes. Hardly worth stealing
> electricity to use.   PAT]

Don't forget those relatively new fluorescent replacements for screw-in
bulbs.  They generally have their real wattage on the label, such as 23
watts, but prominent on the display will be "!!!!Same light as a 100 Watt
bulb!!!!!"

Truth in labelling?


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
tubes but the room is quite bright. I'd be interested in knowing how
they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
source being used.).  PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:29:00 -0800
From: Cortland Richmond <Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com>
Organization: Alcatel USA
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<   >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!


A fairly recent magazine article describes how one enterprising
amateur radio operator keeps his HT battery charged up by rectifying
RF from a nearby AM radio station.


Actually, there are more than a few long-distance, super high-tension
transmission systems in operation. I don't have the article handy, but
there was a long discussion of them in the IEEE _Spectrum_ within the
last couple of years.


Cortland

------------------------------

From: adykes@panix.com (Al Dykes)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 17 Nov 1999 13:30:24 -0500
Organization: Panix


In article <telecom19.555.9@telecom-digest.org>, Reed <ReedH@rmi.net>
wrote:

> Excuse me !! Nikola Tesla is rolling in his grave. The only way consumer
> electric power is transmitted from generating station to consumer is via
> AC, Alternating Current, the entire distance, with step-up and step-down
> transformers as required.

Oh ?

Megavolt solid state DC-to-AC converters have been practical for
years. 

High voltage AC can't be put underground due to capacitance losses and
as I understand it has high losses due to corona discharge above
ground if the volatge is high enough.  We all know that the higher the
voltage the less the I squared R loss is. Tesla was right, at least
about this, but much ahead of his time. In the 70s they were working
toward Megavolt transmission line for this reason.

I used to be a member of the IEEE (Inst of Electric and Electronic
Engineers).  In the 70s they published research papers about megavolt
DC transmission lines. I believe they are now in routine, if not
widespread use for long haul power transmission.

A web search of www.ieee.org shows many hits for "DC high tension" . I
can't look at the articles because I don't have a members login.  I
bet there is a "State of Power generation/Transmission 199x" article
that has statistics for transmission line power and voltage for the
country and the world that would settle this discussion. Is there an
engineer in the house?


Yours, 

Looking for some real statistics.

Al Dykes
adykes@panix.com

------------------------------

From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein)
Subject: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)
Date: 17 Nov 1999 00:04:39 -0500


In <telecom19.554.8@telecom-digest.org> Ed Ellers <ed_ellers@email.
msn.com> writes:

> PhoneDude <fonedude@gte.net> wrote:

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is not
>> amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz signal on high
>> voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60  hz are of too low a
>> potential to make this sort of thing possible.
>> Complete and total bunk.

> Your answer certainly is.  Long-distance power transmission lines most
> certainly *do* handle 60 Hz AC rather than DC.  If they used DC, it
> would be difficult (and inefficient) to step voltage up or down as
> needed, not to mention to convert the DC back to AC for local
> distribution.

OK, everyone. Put down the light sabers.

(Note that in the following I'm talking about the common power
arrangements in the US. Specialized industrial or rapid transit
settings may be set up differently. 25 hz anyone?)

The power grid is a multi-tiered arrangement. Typical residential/
light industrial electricity is 60 hz ac, with wall voltage of 110v
for common usage, (and a typical) 220 for high demand loads such as
central air conditioners. Some industrial settings will also use
higher voltages, but let's not get into the 277/440v stuff here.

When power is transmitted over any sort of distance, higher voltages
are used. Typically the "feeder" cables will carry 15Kv, also at 60hz.
These feed into a local transformer which will then lower it to the
110/220v used in the neighborhood.

The reason for boosting voltage is twofold. First, as you raise the
voltage, you lower the amperage. This lets you use smaller cable. And
second, it reduces the amount of power you'd be wasting getting the
electricity from the generating station to your home. This also lets
you move the generator farther away from the user.

Historically it's been much easier to "transform" voltages in AC lines
than in DC circuits. Hence, as some other correspondents have noted,
the original Edison concept of wiring towns with DC, which would have
needed generating plants every five or so miles, was dumped in favor
of the AC systems.

As you move power longer distances, you typically use higher voltages.
The large "transmission lines" start off at 130Kv, with many in the
345kv range, and some in the 700kv zone. These are the lines that
travel the hundreds, or even thousands of miles, to interconnect the
various grids.

While the vast majority of these are AC, things _have_ definitely
changed in the past couple of decades. Quite a few of these interties
are now high voltage DC "("HVDC"), and more are on the way.

Reason? Recall that AC is, by definition, an alternating current. It's
_very_ non-trivial to keep the different portions of the system
generating in phase with each other.

It's pretty easy to keep two generators that have a direct connection
with each other rotating in synch, but ... we're talking lots and lots
of separate generators, along with grid connections that aren't just
'point a to point b' but are dymaically switching second by second
 ... meaning that the "distance" between the generators is also
switching. Even though speed of light is pretty fast, you do have to
take wire distances into account. There are lots of other issues
involved as well.

Some _very_ unpleasant things happen when generators fall out of synch
with each other, and hence there's been a big desire to move away from
alternating current.

Which gets us to modern times. While it _used_ to be quite painful to
raise and lower DC voltages, usually involving conversions back and
forth to AC, some new products are now on the market that make it
much, much, simpler than the old ways.

While I'll let folk with better brains than mine explain how giant lumps
of silicon can now do these conversions, the fact is that DC _is_ in
common, and increasing, use in transmission lines. For example, here's a
snippet from the 1996 New England Electric System Annual Report from:

	http://204.164.80.219/annual96/textan96.htm

  NEERI's strong experience and partnership with ABB will make
  it a leading contender for large transmission development
  projects.  Our extensive experience includes the high voltage
  direct current interconnection with Hydro-Quebec that delivers
  hydroelectricity from James Bay in Canada to New England
      [snip]
  In December, we proposed to build, own, and operate a 600-megawatt high
  voltage direct current submarine cable transmission connection between
  Connecticut and Long Island, which would introduce competitively
  attractive sources of power to Long Island.

So yes, most of the transmission and just about all the feeder lines
are 60hz AC, but a significant and growing number of them are DC.

(As a side note, this relatively new ability to reliably and easily
convert AC to DC and vice versa makes it _much_ simpler to integrate
alternative energy sources into our existing power grid)


Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:43:11 -0500
From: Ted Byfield <tbyfield@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Demonizing Technology (was URBAN LEGEND ALERT)


Arthur Ross <a.ross@ieee.org> professed:

> I think this may be an example, like Y2K and the guy supposedly cooked
> by the microwave channel bank, of some kind of innate human need to
> perceive sophisticated technical threats - something about our modern
> society - perhaps a psychological urge to demonize technology that we
> find subconciously threatening. The willingness to believe these urban
> legends is perhaps a way to assuage pent-up hostility, in the same way
> that "action-adventure" movies are a way to sublimate the frustrations
> of daily life, bad bosses, etc. 

That's the now-familiar song-and-dance, but the story told of a farmer
who, were it not for a rapacious corporation, would have gotten power
*for free*. If the story has a moral (and I think you're right that it
does) its appeal lies not in technophobia but, rather, in its political
commentary: it's anticorporate.

The idea that "technology" offers us a Garden of Earthly Delights -- a
world where we can explore freely, living off and learning from the
fat of what WiReD called the "technosphere" -- is appealing idea, of
course. And, really, it's a testament to people's faith in each other,
because "technology" is, by definition, a *human* creation. Thus, on
one side there are people like "creationists," who refuse to believe
that something as incredible as the human race could just be
"natural"; and, on the other side, are people who refuse to believe
that animals could have languages or use tools -- "No way!," they say,
"Those are *human* creations!"

You're quite right that "technology" has a very promethean feel for
many people: something that's maybe a bit too powerful for mere
mortals with all their foibles. There's a fear of it, sure; but
there's also -- obviously -- a fascination, and a very healthy
one. And the idea that a clever farmer could just reach out and grab
electricity from the sky, "because it's there," well, that's great:
who couldn't love a story like that?

But the flipside -- equally important -- is the mistrust of grasping
greed: an anonymous, mindless corporation so hell-bent on profit
that it foils "our hero" by brute institutional force. The reason
that aspect is important is that it expresses a mistrust that has
very potent political potential. Nowadays, as you know well, there
are a lot of rump forces doing everything within their power to
protect their (non-)right to rake in the bucks: the RIAA, whose
constituents will sell you an oldies CD for which they don't spend
one damned cent on marketing or royalties; the MPAA, which knows
very well that the VCR "revolution" which brought movies into the
home was only an opening shot; the database thugs like West Pub.,
who are effectively claiming that they own the law; ICANN, which
is fronting for the idea that there can be "intellectual property
law" without jurisdiction (or with *universal* jurisdiction); the
endless-copyright and business-model patent people; etc., etc.

Very, very few people support these ideas, and the proportion would
shrink dramatically if more people knew what was going on. So, for
that reason, I'll suggest that when you're confronted with an urban
legend like this one, you look for signs of strength, not weakness,
in it. Not stupidity, naivete, fear, but instead: shrewdness, hope,
solid values. People aren't born stupid and fearful, they're taught
to be so; and they can be taught to be clever and optimistic. Part
of teaching these better things is, simply, emphasizing them. And,
I'll tell you, if more people did this every day, it'd have impact.
And that impact could be very practical, too.

(/sermon)


Cheers,

Ted


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: (Applause from virtual congregation). 
Thank you for a very informative and good sermon today. One of the
reasons, I suspect, that TELECOM Digest has been around for over
eighteen years, as the second oldest mailing list on the internet
is because I occassionally get something very good to print here.
Ted's message today is one such occassion. And my thanks also to
Arthur Ross for providing the message on which Ted built his fine
response.  PAT]

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TELECOM Digest     Wed, 17 Nov 99 16:52:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 557

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Michael Sullivan)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Darryl Smith)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Brian C. Roy)
    Re: 2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion (Reed)
    Clashing Trademarks (was Re: NJ Govt Agency Wins Court Order (D. Burstein)
    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (Mark Schumann)
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    Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names (L. Erickson)
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From: Michael Sullivan <avogadro@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:43:14 GMT


Pat, the federal law to which you refer, 47 USC 605, pertains to
unauthorized reception of radio *communications*, not radio
*transmissions*.  There is a difference.  Radio transmissions alone
simply consist of a signal without any informational content, while
communications are the content.  Under Section 605, one may not, with
certain exceptions, intercept radio communications without authorization
and use either the communication or the fact of the communication.  A
radar signal is a transmission but not a communication.  The signal
transmitted has no information, intelligence, or other content.  The
police doppler radar works by simply sending out a series of pulses and
then timing how long the pulses take to get back.  Detecting the radio
transmission and using the fact that there has been a radio transmission
for one's own benefit does not violate the Communications Act in any
way.  The FCC has issued public notices to that effect.  Moreover, the
FCC has routinely granted equipment authorizations for devices -- radar
detectors -- specifically designed to intercept such transmissions. 
State law is a different matter.  As others have noted, only VA and DC
prohibit radar detectors.  In fact, if I'm not mistaken, VA actually
prohibits possession of a radar detector in a vehicle, not only use.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suggest that federal laws -- however
> obscure they may be -- take precedence over state laws where they
> exist and when the federal law is more stringent. The federal law,
> as it appears in the Communications Act of 1934 with revisions, etc,
> says that you may not intentionally or deliberatly receive radio
> transmissions not intended for yourself, nor may you benefit from or
> acknowledge those you do happen to accidentally overhear. A general
> purpose, multi-band radio receiver is capable of tuning many different
> frequencies; 'accidental' reception of some transmission not intended
> for yourself is possible. A radar detector is manufactured to receive
> only a very limited number of transmissions, none of which are intended
> for you. You illegally acknowledge the transmission and benefit from
> it by slowing down your automobile, or perhaps you drive in a different
> direction entirely. I do not believe the Communications Act forbids
> possession of any receiver; only the inappropriate use of a receiver,
> but in the case of a radar detector, because of the limited range of
> transmissions it receives, there is no appropriate or lawful type of
> transmission it might be used to receive.  Therefore they are illegal
> under federal law (appropriate sections of the Communications Act)
> even if not specifically addressed under various state laws.


               Michael D. Sullivan, Bethesda, Md., USA
          avogadro@bellatlantic.net (also avogadro@well.com)

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From: Darryl Smith <vk2tds@ozemail.com.au>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:33:43 +1100
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?


>> However, there are some precendents regarding ownership of EM
>> radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in the US) radiation
>> produced by its power lines. The case was a farmer who had a barn
>> under some high-tension lines which had begun to sag. He put a BIG
>> coil in the rafters of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The>
>> power company sued, successfully.

> I've heard this story and never bothered to check if it's a bogus urban
> .legend or if it actually happened.  Regardless, the case wouldn't be
> about 60Hz EM radiation.  The portion of the power that is radiated is
> very small, and once it's radiated, it's gone forever from the power
> company, regardless of whether it ends up being harnessed by a farmer,
> heating the earth, or propogating off into space.  They'd have a tough
> time claiming ownership of power that they routinely and knowingly
> transmit away from their lines.

I work for the Power Company down here in Oz, but include a Standard
Disclaimer. There are a few things to concider. In RF work when you
have a COIL, there are two conditions: Loaded and Unloaded. Each
transmission line has it's own inductance, which the electricity
company can tell you, and attempt to minimise. This is basically
self-inductance. The other case is when you have some type of loading
added. This increases the inductance seen by the transmission
line. Being inductance, it is charged for in the electricity tariff as
VARS (Volt-Amps Reactive ... Basically Watts 90 degrees out of phase).

In order to induce a current in a coil, you need to have some sort of
a magnetic circuit. The transmission line generates a magnetic
field. To tap into this field to induce a voltage, the field needs to
pass through a coil.  Basically if you want to induce voltage you need
to have large area inside the loop of a coil. Because of the distance
from a transmission line (minimum of 10m commonly for higher voltages)
you need to use a lot of turns in your coil. And because of the
geometry the area of the coil needs to be as bit as possible. This
becomes a non-trivial exercise. In addition, the magnetic fields from
the other two cables will cancel out some of the field.  All in all a
lot of copper is needed.

But looking at the theory of transformers the transmission line
becomes 1/2 a turn, and the coil many turns causing a VERY VERY high
induced voltage in the coil. For every turn of the coil you would get
double the transmission line voltage. But the power transfer will be
very very low, meaning that in most cases even the resister in a
multimeter will load down the coil.  balancing this to provide voltage
and load would be non-trivial. And if you can get that somehow worked
out and actually get some energy transfer, open circuiting things will
be very dangerous.

My guess ... Urban Legend ... Get a few flourescent light tubes and
use them with a ground wire at one end ... the results are easier and
safer.


Darryl Smith, VK2TDS   POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia
Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International]

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From: briroy@gcfn.org (Brian C Roy)
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: 17 Nov 1999 10:16:13 -0500
Organization: The Greater Columbus FreeNet


Tony Pelliccio (nospam.tonypo1@nospam.home.com) wrote:

> In article <telecom19.553.11@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM  Digest
> Editor asked:

>> Today's trivia game! All these 'words' began as abbreviations for some
>> longer phrase. All relate to radio. What were the original phrases?

>>            RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

> RADAR = Radio Detection and Range, SONAR I don't know, same with LORAN. 
> ELF = Extremely Low Frequency, AM = Amplitude Modulation, FM = Frequency 
> Modulation, VHF - Very High Frequency and UHF - Ultra High Frequency. 

> Or at least that's what I remember. 


Sound Navigation And Ranging

Long Range Air Navigation


Brian
KB8TEY
briroy@gcfn.org

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From: Reed <ReedH@rmi.net>
Organization: None whatsoever
Subject: Re: 2 to 4-Wire Modem Conversion
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:20:07 -0700


It *might* work for you. Are the two modems otherwise compatible? Would
it be better to find a second four-wire modem?


 --reed

Reuben Wall wrote:

> I am searching for a product, and I was hoping someone reading can
> help point me in the right direction.

> I have to connect two modems together, each in different cities.  I
> have a standard 2-wire analog modem interface on one side.  I have a
> basic 4-wire interface on the other side.  I need to connect them
> together!

> This is a leased line network (not dialup).  There is no E&M
> signalling.  There is a transmit, transmit return, a receive and
> receive return (4 wires).  There will be no DC voltages on the link.

> I need an external "box" that will convert from a 4-wire modem to a
> 2-wire modem. I am not looking for the individual electronic
> componets, but a commercial product that will do this. Maximum speed
> is 2400 and MUST be full-duplex.

> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

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From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein)
Subject: Clashing Trademarks (was Re: NJ Govt Agency Wins Court Order)
Date: 17 Nov 1999 01:20:27 -0500


In <telecom19.555.11@telecom-digest.org> Derek J. Balling
<dredd@megacity.org> writes:

> Keep in mind, of course, that if you don't use the trademark in the
> same sphere in which it is registered, then you are not technically
> violating the trademark. Thus the fact that there are many many
> companies who share popular names, because the two companies don't
> compete in the same markets, thus there is no chance of confusion.

> I'm drawing a blank for an example (because I'm at work and its been a
> long day) but I'm sure other readers of the Digest can happily supply
> them. :)

As one recent example well demonstrates ... 

Those of us in the USofA are quite familiar with the "Exxon" gasoline
brand (formerly Esso, and still marketed in some parts of the world
under that name, and, perhaps, under "Humble Oil").

A key componenent of their marketing hype is the "Exxon Tiger", as in
"put a tiger in your tank".

Turns out that other groups also use a tiger in their advertising,
with one of them being "Tony the Tiger" for "Kellogg's (sugar) Frosted
Flakes".

Now these two tigers coexisted happily in their separate worlds for
these past umptity decades. Until ... well ...

Recently [1], Exxon added small stores/markets to their gas stations.
These places sell a bit of misc stuff, including food products.

Apparently some member of the legal profession over at Kellogg's took
umbrage at this and got all concerned about dilution of the Kellogg's
trademarked tiger. So ... like all good corporations, they went to
court over this.

While I read about the case a few months ago, I'm afraid I can't pull
up the dates of the original rulings, but as I recall the first judge
ruled in favor of Exxon, basically saying that Kellogg's had waited
too long.  Hmm ... ah..., thanks to the magic of AltaVista ...

First, a press report from 07-October-1998 discussing it:

   http://www.portal.org/ProjectUnderground/drillbits/981007/98100705.html
  
   "I was quite surprised. The Kellogg's tiger and Exxon tiger have
   peacefully co-existed for 30 years now. Their suit makes no sense," Jim
   Carter, Exxon vice president of marketing, told the Houston Chronicle.

and ...

     http://www.mfforum.com/motm/motm875.html

    Battle Creek's Kellogg Co. sued Exxon for trademark infringement over
    the use of the Exxon "tiger in the tank," but a federal judge said
    that Kellogg's waited too long. The court pointed out that Exxon has
    had the tiger in the tank for thirty years and that was certainly
    enough time for Kellogg's to figure out that it had a claim against
    Exxon.

Apparently Kellogg's has appealed the ruling. As per:

    http://poptartmonkeys.com/battlecreek.html

    At issue is alleged trademark infringement, which already has sent
    Kellog to the courts to stop Exxon, the Texas based global energy
    company, from using a tiger to promote its convenience stores. Kellogg
    says it resembled Kellogg's Tony the Tiger; the case remains in a
    Cincinnati court of appeals.


[1] As an aside ... this isn't really new. Those of us above a certain age 
will recall that gasoline was often simply one commodity sold at a
"general store". (And now I'll let Pat tell us about the hand pumps ...)


Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am not that ancient.  PAT]

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From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann)
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Date: 17 Nov 1999 14:07:17 -0500
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site


In article <telecom19.551.13@telecom-digest.org>, John R. Levine
<johnl@iecc.com> wrote:

> Trademarks and domain names just don't match up, particularly domains
> in .com/.org/.net that don't have any geographic or line of business
> qualification.  Names on the net would be much easier to deal with if
> the .US domain were better managed so people were more willing to get
> geographic domains that better match businesses with local or regional
> rather than global scope.

What was so wrong about njtransit.state.nj.us anyway?

Around here we get monstrosities such as cityofcleveland.org and
clevelandcitycouncil.org.

There is no reason for local government entitities to have domains
in .com, .net, or .org.  There is no reason the Internet has to have
a flat namespace.

In article <telecom19.553.3@telecom-digest.org>, Peter Dubuque
<dubuque@shell1.tiac.net> wrote:

> John R. Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:

>> I couldn't agree more.  Unfortunately, trademark holders want all
>> sorts of "rights" on the net that they'd never have in the normal
>> world, and there's a distressing amount of blather by people who've
>> never even read the relevant law.

>> Trademarks and domain names just don't match up, particularly domains
>> in .com/.org/.net that don't have any geographic or line of business
>> qualification.  Names on the net would be much easier to deal with if
>> the .US domain were better managed so people were more willing to get
>> geographic domains that better match businesses with local or regional
>> rather than global scope.

> I think the geographical restrictions on .us are its worst flaw.  If
> you're going to get a .us domain, you might as well not have a website
> to begin with.  Most people to have come on the net in the past
> probably don't even realize that .com isn't the only TLD.  Perhaps
> this will change, but I'm skeptical.

[snip]

> If they had seen any potential value in it, they would have denied her
> that as well.  .us domain names are worthless.

How do many small websites get most of their traffic?

* Paid advertising links.
* Free links from friendly related sites.
* Keyword indexes on search engines.

These are all methods by which the URL is not even necessarily seen by
the user.  It doesn't take any typing or even understanding to use such
a link.  Users who are led to the site and like it and who bookmark it
will never have to type the URL.

I'll grant there's a bit of a disadvantage in situations where you
might have to include http://thing.locality.st.us in print
advertising.  But if that's a concern maybe you have deep pockets
already.

There are obvious long-term benefits to using the .us domain
correctly.  Let's not ignore them because .us is supposedly
"worthless."

In article <telecom19.555.11@telecom-digest.org>, Derek J. Balling
<dredd@megacity.org> wrote:

> Keep in mind, of course, that if you don't use the trademark in the
> same sphere in which it is registered, then you are not technically
> violating the trademark. Thus the fact that there are many many
> companies who share popular names, because the two companies don't
> compete in the same markets, thus there is no chance of confusion.

> I'm drawing a blank for an example (because I'm at work and its been a
> long day) but I'm sure other readers of the Digest can happily supply
> them. :)

There's a Unix bulletin-board product called XChange and an unrelated
data-conversion utility, produced by another company, but also called
XChange.  (They may have capitalized the name differently.)

I asked about this several years ago and was told more or less that the
two companies' lawyers talked on the phone for a few minutes, agreed
that they were in sufficiently different areas of business to avoid
confusion, and left it at that.

------------------------------

From: Bob Goudreau <goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 09:55 EST
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names


Derek J. Balling <dredd@megacity.org> wrote:

> Keep in mind, of course, that if you don't use the trademark in the
> same sphere in which it is registered, then you are not technically
> violating the trademark. Thus the fact that there are many many
> companies who share popular names, because the two companies don't
> compete in the same markets, thus there is no chance of confusion.

> I'm drawing a blank for an example (because I'm at work and its been a
> long day) but I'm sure other readers of the Digest can happily supply
> them. :)

The examples people usually cite are "Apple" and "Sun", both of which
apply to lots of companies in different businesses, including musical
recordings and computers in each case.

But it's hard to see what bearing that has on the "NJ Transit" subject
being discussed.  After all, the web-site in question was dedicated
explicitly to discussing transportation issues in New Jersey, including
the performance of the very government agency that owns the "NJ
Transit" service mark!  Given that level of geographic and industrial
proximity, how easy would it be for company's owners to claim the sort
of clear separation of business domains that allows different companies
named "Sun Microsystems", "Sun Records" and "Sun America Insurance" to
coexist peacefully in different industries?


Bob Goudreau			Data General, a division of EMC Corp.
goudreau@rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA

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From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: NJ Government Agency Wins Court Orders For Domain Names
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:54:52 PST
Organization: Shadownet


Derek J. Balling <dredd@megacity.org> writes:

>> Do you also claim the
>> right to set up a company called, say, "International Business
>> Machines, Inc."?  Whether it's "Inc." or "Ltd." or "Company", the
>> suffix doesn't change the fact that you're violating the "International
>> Business Machines" trademark, does it?

> Keep in mind, of course, that if you don't use the trademark in the
> same sphere in which it is registered, then you are not technically
> violating the trademark. Thus the fact that there are many many
> companies who share popular names, because the two companies don't
> compete in the same markets, thus there is no chance of confusion.

> I'm drawing a blank for an example (because I'm at work and its been a
> long day) but I'm sure other readers of the Digest can happily supply
> them. :)

Apple Computer and Apple Music. 

And they got into a fight when it became possible to play music on
Macs.


Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort

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From: Mike Pollock <itsamike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Prepaid Phone Card For Short Calls?
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 22:49:08 -0500
Organization: It's A Mike!


FreeWay long distance from BroadPoint Communications is completely
free and works perfectly from pay phones. There's still a lengthy
backlog for getting a new account setup, but once you do, you can call
all you want. As their website says, they "call the concept 'sponsored
communications.' Whenever you want to make a free call, simply dial
[their] special toll-free 800 number then enter your PIN and the
number you want to call. You'll then hear a brief commercial
message. For each message that you listen to, you will earn two free
minutes of talk time."

Sign up at http://www.broadpoint.com/


 --Mike

------------------------------

From: pete-weiss@psu.edu (Pete Weiss)
Subject: Re: Must Telemarketers and "Researchers" Identify Themselves?
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:56:28 -0500
Organization: Penn State University -- Office of Administrative Systems


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:20:01 -0800, Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@
syntel.com> wrote:

> Of course I don't give out any information at all to someone who won't
> identify themselves properly -- but I wonder if it is legal for people
> to call this way, and if not, what the penalties might be under
> Federal and state laws.  Must a caller like this identify themselves?

I don't give personal info to any tele-critter who calls me up
unsolicited regardless of their spiel.


/Pete

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Subject: TELECOM Digest V19 #558

TELECOM Digest     Wed, 17 Nov 99 23:01:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 558

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Daryl R. Gibson)
    Re: Country Code Question (James Kenny)
    Acronyms (Rich Osman)
    Definitions (Joey Lindstrom)
    Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Julian Thomas)
    Re: Customer Service (Mark W. Schumann)
    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (Paul Wallich)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Paul Wallich)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Larry Finch)
    More About the Eleet (Adam Sampson)
    Need Link For CO Information (Andrew Mark)
    Re: An Anonymous Example (Geoff Dyer)
    "yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities" (e cummings)
    Canadian 403 Area Code Split (Donald D)
    Another Spammer With an 800 Number ... (evans_the_swim@tesco.net)

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:06:57 -0700
From: Daryl R. Gibson <drgibson@du1.byu.edu>
Subject: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? 


I'm interested in how much the terrestial microwave part of AT&T's 
phone network is still being used. Judging by the sound quality on 
most calls I make over the AT&T network, most of my calls are 
being carried via Fiber, but I notice that the old AT&T Long Lines 
microwave towers are still in existance, at least here in Utah. In 
fact, one of those towers is the reason I'm actually writing. 
Throughout central Utah, there are a group of AT&T towers that 
move from Salt Lake City's Emigration Canyon, near where the first 
transcontinental telephone line was cutover, to a tower on the 
downtown US West building, and from there to a group of towers 
that follow the western Utah mountains for some 100 miles. 

At Scipio, Utah, another "corner" tower moves the signal westward, and
it goes on to Nevada and California. The warning beacon on that tower,
at Scipio, stopped blinking about a month or so ago. I figure the
tower's not examined that much, so an AT&T crew probably won't wander
by for a while, yet. Anybody know who I should report it to?

As a photographer, I've always been interested in telephone poles. 
Usually, you're trying to get them out of a shot, but sometimes, 
they lend themselves to a nice shot (see 
http://newsline.byu.edu/gibson/power.jpg), and these ever-present
microwave towers always seemed to be something to look at.

I remember twenty-five years ago, climbing to the top of a local
mountain (all right ... truth be told, I drove up there) and taking a
close look at one of the microwave stations. It is still there, (and
no doubt is still plastered with the warning signs stating that it was
part of the defense network), and the warning beacon on top of the
tower still blinks day and night as a warning to navigation, as does
one on West Mountain, Utah, and one above Alpine, Utah.

It's quite common throughout the west to see these Long Lines 
(now that was a good name, wasn't it? Too bad they changed it) 
towers on top of many mountains. Even today, a lot of US West 
traffic seems to go through microwave around here ... it's an easy 
way to get traffic above the mountains ... and the FAA has its own
microwave network to bring RADAR signals into the flight control 
centers. 

AT&T seemed to do well siting those towers, as well. It's common now
to see five or six cell towers near each AT&T tower.


Daryl

 "As you ramble through life, brother, no matter what your goal,
 keep your eye upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole"
            --Dr. Murray Banks, quoting a menu

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Date: 17 Nov 1999 10:42:52 -0000
Subject: Re: Country Code Question
From: James Kenny <james@active-numbers.com>


I agree that 670 and 671 and now NPAs, but I'm not so sure about 684.
Our numbering information at http://www.active-numbers.com lists all
three as international country codes, but only 670 and 671 as part of
the NANP.  I just tried calling Guam though (from the U.K.), and it is
only dialable as +1671.  +671 fails to busy.


James Kenny,
Active Numbers.

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:01:27 -0600
From: Rich Osman <Rich@Osman.com>
Subject: Acronyms


Here's what I know:

LORAN = LOng RAnge Navigation  Check out
http://www.navcen.uscg.mil/loran/Default.htm

And I believe SONAR is SONic bearing And Ranging.  I've seen several
'de-acronymizations' of SONAR, and this is the one I find most
believable.  Another I've heard is SONic radAR, but I've seen mention
of SONAR in open media (movies) before the existence of RADAR as a
system and term was declassified.  I've heard RADAR as Radio Direction
and Range.

In TELECOM Digest V19 #555 Tony Pelisse replied to Pat's questions:

> In article <telecom19.553.11@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM  Digest
> Editor asked:

>> Today's trivia game! All these 'words' began as abbreviations for some
>> longer phrase. All relate to radio. What were the original phrases?

>>            RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

> RADAR = Radio Detection and Range, SONAR I don't know, same with LORAN.
> ELF = Extremely Low Frequency, AM = Amplitude Modulation, FM = Frequency
> Modulation, VHF - Very High Frequency and UHF - Ultra High Frequency.

> Or at least that's what I remember.


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From: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:33:18 -0700
Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Subject: Definitions


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:46:08 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org
wrote:

>>           RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

> AM=Amplitude Modulation
> FM=Frequency Modulation
> VHF=Very High Frequency
> UHF=Ultra High Frequency.

> My brain cells have obviously had insufficient caffiene today as I can't
> remember the exact definition for RADAR and SONAR ... :(

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But you neglected to take a guess at
> LORAN and ELF.   PAT]

RADAR = RAdio Detecting And Ranging
SONAR = SOund Navigation And Ranging
LORAN = LOng RAnge Navigation
ELF = Extremely Low Frequency (below 300 Hertz)

C'mon, hit me with another ... I dare ya. ;-)


Juliet Oscar Echo Yankee ...

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         --Everything I Need To Know I Learned From Babylon From


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
detectors' doesn't it. If so, do we have a detecting device which
detects radio detectors? Sort of a double spy as in spy-vs-spy, Mad
Magazine style? That might be a good way to describe it; we are
using a radio to spy and find out if someone nearby is using a radio
to spy on us. Maybe someone could develop an 'anti-TEMPEST' detector
to tell us if someone nearby was using that method of spying, by
looking for the radiation *it* was emitting. 

But then PIN, as in 'Personal Identification Number' is frequently
stated as 'PIN number' which seems to double things up on the end
also. 

Since you dared me to give you another acronym, here goes. It is
not a radio term. Beginning in 1946, and continuing through the
present time, although not as much in recent years, Americans have
donated to a charity known as 'CARE' because we care. In fact, in
the years immediatly following the second war, we sent 'Care Packages'
to these people to help them. What was the original phrase which
eventually was forgotten in lieu of just using the word 'care'?

Just to show you how acronyms can take on a life of their own and
become words in their own right, consider the Postal Service's plan
for improving mail delivery in the early 1960's: instead of the one
or two digit 'zone numbers' used to sort mail which had been in 
effect for several years, the (Z)one (I)mprovement (P)lan codes had
the entire USA divided up into sections numbered with five digits
each. The Postal Service planned that out ahead of time, as did
the people who asked Americans to provide 'Care Packages' ... the
USPS liked the idea of people thinking the mail would 'zip right
along' if it was properly sorted using Zip Codes. Zippie the Post-
master reminded us of that all during the 1960's. 

Anyway, tell me about 'Care' ...  PAT]

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From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:39:03 GMT


(no, no, not how to send them!).

I recently (Nov 16 6:47PM) received one of these.  No originating number
at the top.   Poll - "should gay couples adopt kids".  Yes or no - each
with a 900 # to send a fax (for $2.95/minute).

Includes a URL for results: www.pollresult.co.uk and an address: 21st
Century Fax Ltd. in NYC, and an 800# to be removed from their list
<sucker play?>.

Isn't there a way to go after these guys?  ISTR something on this list
not too long ago, but an archives search on Junk Fax didn't turn up
anything useful.


 Julian Thomas: jt . epix @ net  http://home.epix.net/~jt
 remove letter a for email (or switch . and @)
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 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 Windows: Just another pane in the glass.

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From: catfood@apk.net (Mark W. Schumann)
Subject: Re: Customer Service
Date: 17 Nov 1999 16:31:45 -0500
Organization: Akademia Pana Kleksa, Public Access Uni* Site


In article <telecom19.540.5@telecom-digest.org>, Dave Goodman
<davegdmn@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This reminds me of the idiots working
>> at inbound call centers who take orders for products advertised on
>> television who, when they receive an order from someone in New Mexico,
>> insist that they cannot ship outside the USA. And no amount of talking
>> will convince them that New Mexico is in the USA and not part of
>> Mexico.  ...

> Ah, yes.  I lived in New Mexico for years, but traveled extensively.
> The usual conversation on the east coast cocktail circuit was:

>   "Where are you from?"

>   "New Mexico"

>   "Oh.  How long have you been in this country?"

I was the doofus in that conversation once, but it wasn't my fault.

  Me:       "Where are you from?"
  Stranger: "West... ah, Virginia."
  Me:       "Do you mean the west _part_ of Virginia, or..."
  Stranger: "No, West Virginia is a separate state!"
  Me:       [I _knew_ that, you made it complicated by pausing!]

The lesson? I think sometimes West Virginians, New Mexicans, and New
Englanders are expecting to hear doofusness where it ain't.

------------------------------

From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:14:10 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


In article <telecom19.552.6@telecom-digest.org>, sjsobol@NorthShore
Technologies.Net (Steve Sobol) wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 19:52:22 EST, Wlevant@aol.com allegedly said:

>>> A King County District Judge today issued a far-reaching order that
>>> may be a first-ever precedent in cyber-space, banning a man from
>>> talking about Zoom skis, or any other skiing-related topic, in the
>>> Usenet newsgroup Rec.Skiing.Alpine.

>>    In the US, at least, content-based regulation of non-commercial,
>> non-obscene speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional.  This judge must have
>> cut a few too many constitutional law classes in law school.  And, who
>> died and left her Honor in charge of the Internet anyway?  And, since
>> when are bad manners a matter for the courts?

When those bad manners include credible threats of assault with a
deadly weapon (e.g. asserting ownership of the weapon, knowledge of
the threatened person's whereabouts and intent to use it.)

As it turns out comp.dcom.telecom may have been had, since the 
original article was written by one of the participants in the flamewar
which occasioned the legal proceedings.

see http://www.parrot.net/bestofbert/ for a somewhat more intemperate
shot from the other side ...

> What an idiot the judge is. What is she going to do if I post? I'm not
> in her jurisdiction, nor are any of the Net surfers outside the US.

But the guy who is the subject of the restraining order is (as are,
apparently, the people whom he allegedly threatened with bodily
harm).

> I hope this gets challenged. The decision is ridiculous.

It will be interesting to see what happens -- AFAIK courts have upheld
restraining orders in meatspace even when those infringe on what might
otherwise be considered protected speech.


paul


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for writing. Very much,
thank you! By coincidence, Tuesday night I had a rather long, very
detailed phone conversation with someone who is a rather close-by
neighbor of Scott Abraham; someone Scott does not know, but who is
also extremely active on the net and who has met Scott in semi-
public gatherings on various occassions over the past several years,
but apparently not recently. They're both in the same neighborhood
of Seattle, obviously. Since 'one of the parties involved' sent the
rather self-serving notice here to c.d.t. which I printed, I'm sure
the same party won't object to me relating a bit of the conversation
I had with his close-by, but of unknown (to Scott) identity last
night.

It seems this problem with rec.skiing has been going on for years.
This was not just some little Usenet flame war that 'got out of
control'. The person alleges that Scott has been (in his words)
harassing the participants in the newsgroup for at least a few
years off and on. The person alleges that Scott is physically quite
big; he stands about 6'5" tall, and weighs in excess of 300 pounds.
He notes that 'Scott is the sort of person physically that one might
be frightened by if any angry encounter was taking place.' He
thinks that age-wise, Scott is in his late thirties, or perhaps
forty years old. 

Scott operates a web site devoted to the topic of men who as young
boys who were the victims of child sexual abuse. Scott alleges that
as the result of 'recovered memory', he recalls that as a baby
six months old, he was 'raped by his mother', and 'force-fed feces'.

Many readers will recall that one of the hot topics in the 1980's
dealt with 'recovered memory'; and those memories recovered in later
life almost invariably dealt with sexual abuse as a child. All of
a sudden, everyone was having these flashbacks, accusing their 
mother or father of such dreadful acts. I am sure you remember the
era, with things like the totally ridiculous McMartin Pre-school
sex abuse trial that lasted literally for nearly three years in
California, and Police Officer (Gomez, was it?) in Wentachee, WA
who was convinced that everyone in town was a member of a Satanic
cult which molested and killed tiny babies, etc. Apparently the good
officer's technique was to drag kids out of their homes, then tell
the parents they would never see the kids again unless they signed
the confessions he had ready for them. Frightened parents signed
whatever was handed to them. He managed to stir up more hostility
and suspicion and hatred between people in that town than had ever
been seen before, driving wedges between family members, the members
of an entire church, and more. In other words, a good, well trained,
police officer.

And who can forget the bunch of goofy people in Jordan, Minnesota
about the same time who went on and on for more than a year, each
claiming the others were into some extraordinarily kinky situation
involving all the kids in town, satanic cults, the whole routine.

Well, into this 'recovered memory' fiasco in the 1980's comes a
well-regarded person in the field of psychotherapy who identifies it
all as so much bunk.  She did not deny that these things *could*
happen or *might have* happened, but she gave some strong challenges
to the whole 'recovered memory' crowd they never were able to answer
satisfactorily. She said some child psychologists were deliberatly
inducing the little folks to have fantasies which they would put into
words to (in their minds) please the grownup people who were asking
the questions. She was extremely critical of the techniques being
used to 'recover memories'. She is to this day a highly regarded
professor and researcher at a major university in the Seattle area.
When she was battling the 'recovered memories' crowd back in the
1980's it seems her life was threatened, and she was stalked and
harassed for several months afterward. 

Allegations have been made by some people familiar with the matter
that Scott Abraham was one of those doing the stalking and harassing.
He then suggested, as it is alleged he suggested in rec.skiing that
'he had a gun and would use it when he needed to'. Describing Scott
Abraham as 'one very, very sick puppy', my phone correspondent on
Tuesday night remembers Scott another way as well:

   "He would go to AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) meetings in the
   neighborhood; we met in different church basements and what
   have you. He would stand up to speak, but instead of the
   customary 'My name is Scott and I am an alcoholic' he would
   get into these incredible monologues about how he had been
   raped by his mother when he was a baby, and how she made him
   eat feces when he was six months old, etc ... never a word
   about alcoholism;  people would ask him to please stick to
   the topic or reason for the AA group meeting and Scott would
   get very angry and threaten the person. This happened on at
   least a few occassions when I was in the same AA meeting that
   Scott was attending. And not only would he never talk about
   any alcohol problem and always talk about his mother instead,
   but there was no end to how lurid and detailed he could be in
   what he had to say with body-part names, etc. He would not
   stop, no matter who at the AA meeting asked him to stop."

This person alleges that Scott's standard response to someone he
dislikes is to stalk them, harass them, and email bomb them. He
says the professor in Seattle got it after she offered irrefutable
evidence against the 'recovered memory' people and the loonies
who were accusing everyone else of molesting their children and
being in satanic cults. He says the AA people who Scott was able
to identify got it, and others who he could not identify by name
in AA were nonetheless frightened because of his height and weight
and his references to 'carrying a gun'. It seems he also goes to
the trouble to find out where his perceived enemies are employed,
then makes an effort to get them fired with whatever he can dredge
up. 

While Scott Abraham operates his web site devoted mostly to male
survivors of childhood sexual abuse, his younger brother, an
accomplished musician in the Seattle area, operates a web site 
devoted to his art, and sharing it with netizens, but he feels 
compelled on his web site to defend their mother against the claims
made by Scott, and he notes that in fact, far from being a victim
of sexual molestation by his mother when he was six months old,
Scott in fact molested him several times as a child. 

     And this is the Scott Abraham against whom a restraining
     order was issued involving his Usenet postings, under
     provisions of the law in the State of Washington regarding
     stalking and harassment via computer.

My phone correspondent Tuesday night said "imagine my surprise
to read in TELECOM Digest about one of my near neighbors ... a
fellow I have been watching with interest for a number of years
while staying as invisible to him as I could for obvious reasons."

He also pointed out that in his opinion, the comment about the 
Seattle Police Department having a 'three-ring binder' with Usenet
postings was taken out of context. He alleges the SPD was not
interested in Usenet in general, but rather, in the postings of
Scott Abraham over the years. He claims this latest fiasco on
Usenet was 'not the first time SPD had heard about Scott and
investigated him; they had prior complaints about harassment and
stalking.' He claims SPD only began to watch Scott in some detail
via his writing on the net when the latest series of complaints
arrived from other citizens in the community.

     "Detective Shirey was not and is not trying to 'spy on
     people in Usenet'; she was trying to gather specific
     evidence in various complaints as part of an ongoing
     investigation of Scott Abraham. The judge was not trying
     to 'take over a Usenet group as a moderator'; she was
     trying to find a lawful and constitutional way to keep
     a person who it is alleged was stalking and harassing
     other persons from continuing what he was doing. Just
     as a court order in a case like that might require that
     one person keep some distance between themselves and
     another person, or refrain from communicating with that
     other person, the judge's order was intended to force
     Scott Abraham to stay away from a place on the net (the
     skiing newsgroup) where others were meeting peaceably
     to have their discussions, etc. In addition to ordering
     Scott to keep his physical distance from the people who
     filed the complaint, the judge also ordered him to stay
     away from the virtual meeting place where the same 
     people wished to be left alone. She did not tell him he
     had to remain silent on Usenet or could not use his
     computer to communicate or operate a web site. She merely
     told him he could not go to that group and continue to
     harass and stalk those people in ways that were becoming
     close to (or in fact) criminal in nature."


Well ... that puts it all in a somewhat different light, doesn't
it? My phone correspondent thinks that Detective Shirey and the
judge are getting a bad rap. Instead of 'spying on the net and
trying to moderate a newsgroup', they were responding to complaints
filed by netizens involving a person 'already known to the Seattle
Police Department as a troublemaker'; a person who, if all the
allegations of his conduct about threatening a professor at the
university there several years ago, his conduct at AA group
meetings, his apparent mental illness and/or inability to deal
in an appropriate way with the claims he makes about his mother,
and his prior activities on Usenet are correct, certainly needs
to be watched.   

Just as shouting fire in a crowded theatre is not covered by your
rights of free speech, being someone who posts frequently in a 
Usenet newsgroup does not automatically qualify one for sainthood
either it would seem. 

Since 'someone' was thoughtful enough to send along the original
item to me to share with readers; I am sure that same 'someone'
is pleased with this followup report, and I hope it receives the
same wide distribution as the original report. 

I still contend we are on a slippery slope when police or judges
involve themselves in the speech affairs of the Internet -- in
any part of it short of out-and-out-fraud or using it to victimize
others. But there are always exceptions to the rule, and perhaps
Scott Abraham is one such exception. Maybe ... but since 'someone'
submitted one side of the story, I trust you enjoyed reading, as
Paul Harvey would phrase it, 'the rest of the story'.   PAT]

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From: pw@panix.com (Paul Wallich)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:23:50 -0500
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


In article <telecom19.554.9@telecom-digest.org>, nospam.tonypo1@
nospam.home.com (Tony Pelliccio) wrote:

> In article <telecom19.551.16@telecom-digest.org>, Wlevant@aol.com says:

>>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer 
>> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating 
>> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs, 
>> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

> Were the lost lightbulbs fluorescents? If they were close enough to
> the radiating source those would light up.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I did not think there was such a
> thing as a 100 watt flourescent tube. Incadescent, yes, flourescent,
> no. 40 watt and 25 watt flourescent tubes are very common. Maybe some
> outdoor, all-weather type electric signs use 100 watt flourescents
> but they are special, and very expensive tubes. Hardly worth stealing
> electricity to use.   PAT]

If  this one is a UL,  it's an old one,  since I heard it thirty years
ago when I started out in ham radio.

The version that I heard related to a transmitter (although it makes
sense for powerlines as well) and said that the rule of law from the case
was that you could extract 1/r^2 (far-field EM wave) from a radiating
source but not 1/R (nearfield). Otherwise, in addition to the power
generation options, the opportunities for passive jamming of transmissions
seem clear.

(For powerlines, whether AC or DC, this makes a fair amount of sense
because in typical configurations there's a good bit of energy stored in
the parasitic capacitor between the lines and the ground -- as also shown
by the parade of people who end up burned without ever touching the
high tension).


paul

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From: Larry Finch <LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:50:23 -0500
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Reply-To: LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net


Michael G. Koerner wrote:

> One of the BIGGEST drawbacks to DC is that it cannot be transmitted
> more than a few kilometers.  We would need powerplants in nearly every
> neighborhood had DC been the selected standard.

You have it backwards. One of the ADVANTAGES of long distance DC power
transmission is that it has no corona loss, so towers don't have to be
as high and voltages can be higher. It thus is transmitted at lower
currents and can be transmitted much further. It can also be carried
on one wire, rather than 3. The DISADVANTAGE is that it must be
converted from the AC the generator puts out to DC, then back to AC at
the receiving end for local distribution. But for long distance
transmission the added cost of rectification and inversion is
justified. 

 From the April, 1996 Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers
Spectrum magazine:
                  ==============================

India boasts one of the latest examples of a high-voltage dc (HVDC)
interconnection: the 1500-MW, 910-km-long system built to carry power
from the coal-based plants in Rihand in the eastern part of India to
Delhi's swelling load farther west [Fig. 1]. Then there is the 600-MW
back-to-back tie that connects Texas with the eastern United States
[Figs. 2 and 3].  ("Back-to-back" means that both ac-to-dc and
dc-to-ac power electronic converters are located at the same site,
because the two ac systems involved have different frequency controls
and could not be interconnected otherwise.)

Worldwide, more than 50 HVDC projects have been completed, for a total
transmission capacity in operation of about 46 000 MW at voltages up
to 600 kV [Fig. 4]. In the last two decades, the average HVDC
capacity brought into service has been about 2000 MW per year,
indicating a power electronic converter capacity of twice that figure,
or 4000 MW.  

              =============================== 

Larry Finch

::LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net larry@prolifics.com ::LarryFinch@aol.com
::(whew!)  N 40 53' 47" W 74 03' 56"

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Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:14:06 +0000
From: Adam Sampson <azz@gnu.org>
Reply-To: azz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: 3-2-1-Rrring!


Joseph Mallett wrote:

> If we ever go into 11+ digits, can I have the 31337 NPA? (Oh c'mon, just a
> joke against all the phreaker lurkers here.)

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's note: I do not understand the joke. Would
> you care to explain?  PAT]

31337 spells "ELEET"; "elite" double-B1FFed. From the Jargon File:

   elite adj.

   Clueful. Plugged-in. One of the cognoscenti. Also used as a general
   positive adjective. This term is not actually hacker slang in the
   strict sense; it is used primarily by crackers and [warez d00dz]. This
   term used to refer to the folks allowed in to the "hidden" or
   "privileged" sections of BBSes in the early 1980s (which, typically,
   contained pirated software). Frequently, early boards would only let
   you post, or even see, a certain subset of the sections (or `boards')
   on a BBS. Those who got to the frequently legendary `triple super
   secret' boards were elite.

   A true hacker would be more likely to use [wizardly]. Oppose [lamer].

A number of "network administration" tools (BO included) use TCP port
31337 by default; if you find a machine of yours is listening on
31337, you should start worrying.


Adam Sampson
azz@gnu.org

------------------------------

From: Andrew Mark <amark@smartkey.com>
Subject: Need Link For CO Information
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 18:01:09 -0500
Organization: Globix Corp.


During the past week, someone who's smart posted a link to a site
which showed the configuration of the corresponding CO for all #s in
the US.

During this same period, someone who's not-so-smart, saw the link,
used it for a little while and then managed to lose it.  That someone
(me!) needs to get back there.


Can you help?

Andrew Mark

------------------------------

From: gldyer-nospam@geocities.com (Geoff Dyer)
Subject: Re: An Anonymous Example
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 13:03:49 GMT


On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 17:40:04 -0800 (PST), in comp.dcom.telecom Pat
wrote:

> on the other hand is likely to be someone like myself: a person
> who cooks carrots and pees in the same pot, 

Eeyew! Not while the carrots are cooking, I hope!


Geoff 
(to e-mail me, remove any instances of "-nospam" from my address)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 11:58:00 -0500
From: e cummings <bernies@netaxs.com>
Subject: "yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities"


Hi Pat,

Here is a good one:

  Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:43:16 -0500
  To: politech@vorlon.mit.edu
  From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
  Subject: FC: "yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities"
  Sender: owner-politech@vorlon.mit.edu
  Reply-To: declan@well.com
  X-Loop: politech@vorlon.mit.edu
  X-URL: Politech is at http://www.well.com/~declan/politech/

 The Department of Housing and Urban Development thought it would be fun to
 give Haitian-Americans info about free or subsidized housing in French
 Creole. But someone screwed up, and came up with this pidgin variant
 instead. The result wasn't pretty. Lots of recriminations. Pretty funny --
 or it would be, if it weren't our tax dollars paying for this.

 -Declan

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-11/17/124l-111799-idx.html

 "Rezedents rights and Rispansabilities"
By
"Sekretary Andrew M. Cuomo fella."

"yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities to elp mek yuh
HUD-asisted owzing ah behta owme fi ahn yuh fambily."

"Dis is a brochure distributed to yuh cawze Hud ah provide some fawm ahf
asistance aur subsidy fi di whole apawtment buildin."

"HUD prowtekss di rights ahf di tenants, ahn tenants gauwd dem own right tru
rispansible be'aviah. Owah goal is fi guh beyan dat pawtnaship ahn create a
sense ahf community."


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Reply-To: <donald.d@iname.com>
From: Donald D <donald.d@iname.com>
Subject: Canadian 403 Area Code Split
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:21:41 -0700


FYI.........

Hi Patrick,

Just an update for you.

Effective Jan 25,99

403  is for Southern Alberta
780  is for Northern Alberta


Regards,

Don

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From: evans_the_swim@dontbothermewithspam.tesco.net
Subject: Another Spammer With an 800 Number
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 08:49:13 GMT
Organization: Tesco ISP


Found this in my mailbox today:

*********************************************************
This message is being brought to you by IBS Inc.
& PBS To be removed from from further mailings please
respond to this email with "Remove" in the subject line.
*********************************************************

Dear Friend,

[ spam deleted ]

Or feel free to call us on our 24 hour voicemail at:

1-800-288-7363

P.S. ASK ABOUT OUR INCREDIBLE DEALER OPPORTUNITY

[ well, we have LOTS of questions, don't we? ]


IBS Inc.& PBS
7657 Winnetka Ave
Canoga Park Ca. 91306

[ would be nice in a .ca resident could swing by and estimate the size
of IBS and how big a phone bill they can handle...]

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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 18 Nov 99 01:08:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 559

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (James Gifford)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (John McHarry)
    Re: Urban Legend Alert (Bill Levant)
    Re: High-Voltage Transmission (was Urban Legend Alert) (Bill Levant)
    Re: AC-to-DC-to-AC (Bill Levant)
    Fluorescent Lighting (Ed Ellers)
    Re: USWest Residential ADSL vrs. Qwest LD (Bud Couch)
    Re: 'No PIC Fee' Doubled Last Month? (Vladimir V. Egorin)
    Re: New Improved Siemens Gigaset 2420 (tophatvideo@hotmail.com)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Matt Bartlett)
    Echelon Developments (Monty Solomon)
    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (lcs Mixmaster Remailer)
    Usenet Ban a Slippery Slope? (Monty Solomon)
    Dispute Over Student Web Site Sparks Lawsuit (Monty Solomon)
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From: James Gifford <gifford@nitrosyncretic.com>
Reply-To: gifford@nitrosyncretic.com
Organization: Nitrosyncretic Press
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 16:52:18 -0800


Ross McMicken wrote:

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC ...

> I was under the impression that the high voltage lines running across
> the country are AC. What you are saying is that the power companies
> generate AC power, convert it to DC for the trip through the high
> voltage grid, then convert it back to AC for consumer use? Sounds
> wrong to me.

Some of the really high-power lines, such as the 1MV backbone that runs
across Canada, are indeed DC. Almost everything below this level is AC.

Mike Riddle wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
> in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
> tubes but the room is quite bright. I'd be interested in knowing how
> they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
> in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
> source being used.).  PAT]

Different phosphors on the inside of the tube, mainly, coupled with some
variations in the gas inside the tube.

I love "full spectrum" fluorescents -- they are a near-exact dupe of
sunlight -- but they're quite expensive (US$10-20 each).


| James Gifford - Nitrosyncretic Press - gifford@nitrosyncretic.com |
|   See http://www.nitrosyncretic.com for the Robert Heinlein FAQ   |
|   and information on "Robert A. Heinlein: A Reader's Companion"   |


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I *love* 'daylight' flouresent lighting.
It makes everything in the room around it seem nicer. Using it in an
aboretum or a room with a lot of plants and flowers creates some
wonderful lighting effects. PAT]

------------------------------

From: mcharry@erols.com (John McHarry)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 01:01:45 GMT


On 16 Nov 1999 22:22:27 GMT, Andrew <andrew@kill-9.com> wrote with a
faked identity:

> This is really beside the point, because the percentage of power
> lines that are DC is very tiny, and even if you were correct, you
> wouldn't be disproving the story.

O joy!  You have invented the DC transformer.  Edison is redeemed!

------------------------------

From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:22 EST
Subject: Re: Urban Legend Alert


> A fairly recent magazine article describes how one enterprising
> amateur radio operator keeps his HT battery charged up by rectifying
> RF from a nearby AM radio station.

   Wasn't the April issue, was it ?

   Without a citation, this looks like ANOTHER version of the UL.


Bill
WA3RHP

------------------------------

From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:20 EST
Subject: Re: High-Voltage Transmission (was Urban Legend Alert)


> The AC power used in our homes uses ONE pole ('hot' wire) of the 3 phase
> main with the neutral '4th' wire being the power 'return'. 

Maybe yours does, in which case you get 208 nominal volts across any
two "hot" poles instead of the more usual 240 (because the two poles are
only 120 degrees of phase apart instead of 180; I no longer remember
the math) but most of us (especially outside the big cities) get
single-phase 120/240 volt service, using both poles of the step-down
transformer, and the center-tap as neutral.


Bill

------------------------------

From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:21 EST
Subject: Re: AC-to-DC-to-AC 


> For reasons I've never understood, our electric power industry has
> never been able to lock the two master clocks together.  

  __Can't__ or __won't__ ?  Have they perhaps not done so to ensure
that no single failure, no matter how widespread, CANNOT black out the
entire country ?


Bill

------------------------------

From: Ed Ellers <ed_ellers@email.msn.com>
Subject: Fluorescent Lighting
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:29:50 -0500


PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted in reply:

> But they do put out about the same amount of light. I do not know
> how or why. Look at any large office in the USA and the type of
> lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent tubes but the room is quite
> bright."

The lamps are simply that much more efficient than incandescent bulbs.

> I'd be interested in knowing how they make them to be 'warm',
> 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used in a large room really do make
> it seem as though sunlight is the source being used.).

That's done by changing the phosphor characteristics -- cooler lights
tend to put out more light per watt.  The same is true for CRT
phosphors, which explains why ordinary B&W TV CRTs are usually made to
emit a *very* cool white, and why color TVs and computer monitors are
often set up for cool white as well and have been since the late
1950s.  (Studio color monitors are customarily set up for a white
point of 6500 degrees K, which is very close to daylight, and
professional B&W monitors are available with phosphors formulated for
that white point so that they won't fool the eye into thinking that
the color monitors' pictures are too warm.)


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about the type of flourescent
tube commonly called 'grow lamps'? At someone's house the other day,
here in Junction City, I saw a large a couple of very large pot(ted)
plants growing in the basement of their home. A light on a stand 
next to the plants was sort of a ultra-violet color. These folks also
had a couple of flourescent tubes which where totally black, but when
turned on in the (otherwise) darkness produced a kind of strange
effect on things. 

Last couple of questions:  Regarding incadescent lighting, do two
smaller bulbs of (let's say) 25 watts each produce the same amount of
light throughout the area as one bulb of 50 watts? In addition, I
once knew a man whose job it was to change burned out lightbulbs. 
Some of the bulbs were in difficult to reach areas, that is, they
required a stepladder, or scaffolding, etc. He said to avoid having
to change the bulbs as often, he used bulbs at two or three times
the amount of wattage desired, but half the voltage. That is, 
instead of a 100 watt bulb designed for 120 volts, he would use
a 300 watt bulb designed for 240 volts (on a 120 line). It seemed
to me as though the room was just as bright, but obviously the
bulb was only getting 'half as much use' as a normal bulb, therefore
it would not burn out for years at a time, he claimed. What about
people who are too cheap to buy their own lightbulbs, so they steal
them from Chicago Transit Authority subway trains. The bulb has
a notation on it saying '50 watts, DC, Railway Lighting Company'.
The subway trains run on DC through the third rail. Will the bulb
work in a lamp at home?   PAT]

------------------------------

From:  Bud Couch <Bud_Couch@adc.com>
Subject: Re: USWest Residential ADSL vrs. Qwest LD
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 17:09:21 -0800
Organization: ADC Kentrox


Fred Goldstein wrote:

> In V19I550, Paul Lustgraff wrote, about Guy Helmer's problem,

>>> A USWest customer rep said Qwest must be misunderstanding the "Megabit
>>> DSL" designation as not being a residential line.  USWest says they
>>> are not sending Qwest disconnection notices. Qwest says there isn't
>>> anything wrong, but obviously something is broken in a system
>>> somewhere.  Advice on how to get this insidious problem escalated and
>>> solved would be appreciated.

>> This has to be a US Worst problem, because it is happening to other
>> people in Iowa with other LD carriers, including AT&T.

> But it won't be a problem for long.  Assuming Qwest takes ownership of
> USW, then it will become subject to Section 271 prohibitions on Bell
> in-region LD service.  Qwest will have to give up all of its
> subscribers in the US West region.  So Guy Helmer will have to get a
> new LD provider anyway!

I haven't been following this thread, but it sounds a bit like what 
happened to me. I signed up for US West ADSL (megabit) Service. The
next month's bill showed my AT&T long distance billing ceasing 
at about the same time as the DSL kicked in. Then I got a separate 
bill from AT&T, not only with all of my discount plans gone, but 
billed under the BUSINESS tariff. Essentially, my long distance rate
went up about 4X. 

The problem is automated billing computers at the LD services. 

To make a long story short, I did get AT&T to reinstate my discount
plans, recalculate my bill, etc, but the interesting part is what 
triggered this action. 

US West, as a billing routine, first did a "DISCONNECT Residential
Telephone Service". This was enough for the billing computer at AT&T 
to decide that if the line wasn't "Residential Telephone", then the 
only other choice was "Business", and, obviously, none of my discounts
applied. US West's billing then went on to "ADD Residential Megabit
Data Service". AT&T's billing computer knows nothing of this, so it
just ignored this. 

This is all somewhat understandable. I hope by now that AT&T has
reprogrammed their billing computer to understand "Residential DSL", 
or "Residential Megabit", etc, so others don't have to go through
this, but I somehow doubt it, based upon the responses of the AT&T
customer service rep. The woman had the documents in front of her, but
had absolutely NO IDEA what a DSL line was, and kept insisting that if
it was a data line, that we couldn't possibly have telephone service 
over it. It took the statement, "I'm not paying this bill, and you 
aren't the only long-distance service in town," to get to a 
supervisor, who was also clueless. 

It finally took the supervisor actually calling a US West DSL sales
rep in a three-way call to get it straight, and even then the
supervisor had to be told three times that it was a residential
telephone line with data carried over it. "Are you sure it's a
RESIDENTIAL telephone line?", she kept asking. Each time, the US West
rep would answer yes. AT&T finally agreed that, yes, my calls were
coming from a residential telephone, and therefore they could
reinstate my plans, etc. They even threw in a couple hundred free
minutes.

It appears to be straightened out now, but I'm watching my bills, 
expecting to have to do it over again.


Bud Couch                |When correctly viewed, everything is lewd.|
bud@kentrox.com          |                         -Tom Lehrer      |
  Insert disclaimer here | "Therefore you're guilty!" -EEOC         |

------------------------------

From: vladimir@math.uic.edu (Vladimir V. Egorin)
Subject: Re: 'No PIC Fee' Doubled Last Month?
Date: 17 Nov 1999 19:20:21 -0600
Organization: University of Illinois at Chicago


Douglas Kaspar <Doug.Kaspar@worldnet.att.net> writes:

I have also disconnected the LD company and was charged $0.54.  It's
not a big deal, but still rather funny: for me it's like charging
people for not having a car.


Vladimir

> My guess is that the price increase has to do with your phone provider
> being assessed a fee for the Universal Service Fund.

------------------------------

From: tophatvideo@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: New Improved Siemens Gigaset 2420
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:36:26 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


It seems that the answering machine in the 2420 has four outgoing
messages, but does it have internal "mailboxes?"  E.g., "This is the
Smith residence; press 1 for Harv, 2 for Marge, etc."


Thanks, 

John

------------------------------

From: Matt Bartlett <matt@scottrio.com>
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:19:23 -0500
Organization: EarthLink Network, Inc.


I recieved the same fax at a local HS radio station I do some
volunteer work for.  I'm no expert on the subject, but isnt a
originating number required by law?


Matt


Julian Thomas wrote in message ...

>(no, no, not how to send them!).

>I recently (Nov 16 6:47PM) received one of these.  No originating number
>at the top.   Poll - "should gay couples adopt kids".  Yes or no - each
>with a 900 # to send a fax (for $2.95/minute).

> Isn't there a way to go after these guys?  ISTR something on this list
> not too long ago, but an archives search on Junk Fax didn't turn up
> anything useful.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:51:40 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Echelon Developments


Forwarded to the Digest, FYI:

 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 15:25:18 -0500
 From: Jacob Hale Russell <jrussell@world.std.com>
 Subject: Echelon Developments
 To: Cyber-Rights <cyber-rights@cpsr.org>

Two recent Echelon-related developments:

1) The ACLU launched Echelon Watch (http://www.echelonwatch.org)

2) This article was published:

    <http://uk.news.yahoo.com/991116/22/b8l6.html>

    NSA patent reveals global monitoring technology

    Could improve governments' ability to instantly pinpoint
    what's being said in phone conversations anywhere in the
    world

    The US National Security Agency (NSA) has patented new
    phone tapping technology that could revolutionise
    surveillance of global telephone networks.

    The technology allows telephone conversations in any
    language to be monitored according to assigned meaning
    rather than key words for the first time ever. That is,
    the technology is designed to pinpoint the topic of a
    conversation even if conventional keywords aren't used.
    The technology employed by the US and UK government to
    monitor could in fact be far superior to this, as the
    patent was actually applied for in 15 April, 1997.

    The NSA already operates surveillance of international
    communications out of two military bases in Europe; Bad
    Ailing in Germany and Menwith Hill in the UK.

    Patent number 5,937,422 describes the NSA technology as,
    "A method of automatically generating a topical
    description of text by receiving the text containing
    input words." The patent also mentions "machine
    transcription" which means the process of converting
    speech into text. Although some technology of this
    nature is already commercially available, it is not
    thought to be capable of converting speech from an
    unknown source. The patent therefore seems to be a new
    development in this area as well.
    
    

-> jrussell

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Date: 18 Nov 1999 02:40:27 -0000
From: lcs Mixmaster Remailer <mix@anon.lcs.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup
Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net


[disturbing story snipped]

{heavy sigh} Oh well, just another tentacle of the law-enforcement
industry expanding into a new reservoir of potential perps and a new
source of revenue for the politicians.

The 'net itself may be immune to such monkeywrenching but the
choke-point where the law-enforcement industry will apply pressure is
the ISP, where users get their access. Just as CALEA forces telcos to
wire the feds directly into the CO for ease of wiretapping so will
ISPs be forced to put certain keyword-sniffers on all traffic in/out
of their servers. Suspicious packets will be tagged, behavior will be
monitored, dossiers will be kept and one day your access will be
denied and there'll be a knock at your door from Agents Murphy and
Brown.


Steve
living in the USSA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:17:42 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Usenet Ban a Slippery Slope?


by Craig Bicknell  
3:00 a.m. 16.Nov.1999 PST 

A brutal, months-long Usenet word brawl that cost jobs and came to
death threats ended in a Seattle court Friday when a judge forbade one
of the combatants to post new messages on pain of felony charges.

The order, which prevents ski buff Scott Abraham from posting any
messages on the Usenet newsgroup Rec.Skiing.Alpine (RSA), is intended
to keep the flame war from erupting into the real world. Abraham and
most of the disputants live in Seattle and have met offline.

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,32550,00.html 


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But -- please see the additional
details I provided in the issue of the Digest just before this one.
It is a slippery slope indeed, but the police and court may be
getting a bum rap in this case. It could be stated that police and
the court was as interested in helping protect netizens in this case
as they have been accused in the past of trying to spy, etc.  

It is worth noting also that 'ski buff Scott Abraham' had not posted a
single ski-related message on the group for at least a month during
October, when his only messages seemed to be part of the flame war
going on. So it is not like he was exercising his free speech with
messages about ski resorts and different kinds of skiing equipment and
he was suddenly silenced because some one or more people had a
disagreement with him on those topics. It was those people who had met
him offline in Seattle who also read his remarks on Usenet who felt --
as did the judge apparently -- that there was a very strong likelyhood
Scott was going to act out based on his remarks in the newsgroup;
remarks that had nothing to do with skiing, and apparently had had
little to do with skiing for some time. 

As part of the judge's order to leave the people alone and stay away
from them offline, the order further said to leave them alone when
online also. He is not forbidden to use the net, to post in any other
newsgroup he wishes, or to run a web site giving his point of view of
the whole matter. Just stay away from those people both in meatspace
or realworld, and also in virtual world.

By saying 'ski buff denied right to post messages in skiing newsgroup'
as he does on his web site now, I think he is distorting the truth
a little. There were few or no skiing messages there from him that I
saw. I am not going to say a single one of the allegations against 
Scott Abraham are true; I just do not know. But there seem to be a lot
of things not being said at his web site; I posted a few of those
allegations here earlier, since 'someone' from over there saw fit to
try and embroil me in their controversy.  PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 21:57:16 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Dispute Over Student Web Site Sparks Lawsuit


By PAMELA MENDELS 

Earlier this year, a freshman at a Catholic high school in the suburbs
of New York City was expelled because of the contents of a personal
Web site he created at home.

Now, the student and his parents have filed a lawsuit against Albertus 
Magnus High School in Bardonia, N.Y., and two school officials, saying 
the school's action violated the boy's free-speech rights. They are 
asking for at least $1 million in damages. 

http://www.nytimes.com/library/tech/99/11/cyber/education/17education.html 


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Visitors to the {New York Times} web
site are required to register prior to be allowed to read articles.  PAT]

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Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:21:50 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Grokking the Privacy Lesson


by Chris Oakes  

SAN FRANCISCO -- Just last week, RealNetworks provided the Internet
world with a case study of data collection gone wrong.

Its RealJukebox software was caught red-handed collecting detailed
information on user behavior and sending the data back to the company.

In the aftermath of that embarrassment, do people in the
data-collection business worry more about privacy?

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,32505,00.html 

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Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Lauren Weinstein)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Jason)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Julian Thomas)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (John Warne)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Ross McMicken)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Spam Trap)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Ray Normandeau)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Walter Dnes)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (evans_the_swim)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Dave Garland)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Darryl Smith)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Andrew)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Kenneth A. Becker)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Joseph T. Adams)
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 99 09:40 PST
From: lauren@vortex.com (Lauren Weinstein)
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


Greetings.  The info at http://www.att.com/network claims that the
domestic AT&T network is 97% fiber.  You would be unlikely to hear the
difference on most microwave circuits, which are primarily digital
microwave.

The burned out tower beacon is a matter for local aviation authorities/
FAA.

 --Lauren--

Lauren Weinstein
lauren@vortex.com
Moderator, PRIVACY Forum -- http://www.vortex.com
Co-founder, PFIR: People For Internet Responsibility -- http://www.pfir.org
Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:00:10 -0500
From: Jason Fetterolf <jason@itw.com>
Reply-To: jason@itw.com
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


> I'm interested in how much the terrestial microwave part of AT&T's
> phone network is still being used. Judging by the sound quality on
> most calls I make over the AT&T network, most of my calls are
> being carried via Fiber, but I notice that the old AT&T Long Lines
> microwave towers are still in existance, at least here in Utah.

I would also like to open this up to other telecom infrastrucure
experts out there, and ask how much of MCI's network is composed of
microwave transmission towers? And, what is the difference in sound
quality between a call that is routed strictly through fiber (ignoring
the copper at the term. and orig. ends) versus a call that is routed
through a microwave tower?

I recently moved to non-RBOC LEC territory, Conestoga Telephone is the
LEC, HQ in Birdsboro, PA (about 50 mi NW of Philadelphia).  I was
informed that ALL MCI LD calls are sent to MCI's microwave tower atop
Fancy Hill before being transmitted to the nearest switch (in Phila?).
Conestoga Tel technicians indicated that Conestoga was actually
contracted to lay the fiber/copper that takes the calls from the LEC's
main switch in Birdsboro to the MCI Microwave tower atop Fancy Hill.
Interestingly, Conestoga also offers its own LD service (using the
Frontier network) that apparently(not confirmed) is routed directly to
a switch in the "Phila area".

Does anyone have any idea what the difference in voice quality might
be in this scenario or with fiber vs microwave, especially in
inclement weather or other non-optimal situations?

I tried 1010222 dialaround test call vs Frontier network test call, and
could tell no difference on a clear day.

Thanks in advance for any info on this.


Jason Fetterolf
Apollo Concepts

------------------------------

From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:14:52 GMT


In <telecom19.558.1@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/17/99 at 11:06 AM,
Daryl R. Gibson <drgibson@du1.byu.edu> said:

> At Scipio, Utah, another "corner" tower moves the signal westward, and it
> goes on to Nevada and California. The warning beacon on that tower, at
> Scipio, stopped blinking about a month or so ago. I figure the tower's
> not examined that much, so an AT&T crew probably won't wander by for a
> while, yet. Anybody know who I should report it to?

FAA?

 
 Julian Thomas: jt . epix @ net  http://home.epix.net/~jt
 remove letter a for email (or switch . and @)
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 Have you crashed your Windows today?

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:42:32 -0500
From: John Warne <warnejw@sbac.edu>
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


According to AT&T employees I have talked with, there is no current
microwave use in the State of Florida by AT&T. Fiber has replaced all
of it. The current FCC database no longer shows many previously-
licensed microwave sites.

Many AT&T sites still have the various horns on their towers.
Abandoning in-place is less expensive than stripping the towers, or so
I'm told.

Many (some?) of the AT&T towers still support other kinds of
communications antennas / services. Some have had cellular and PCS
antennas installed. In addition, many of the sites I have visited in
the SouthEast part of the US have an 8-bay 'bat-wing' antenna for AT&T
2-way communications.

In addition, selected AT&T sites (such as Ellisville, FL, Jasper, AL,
Signal Mountain, TN, Waldorf, MD, and others) have communications
antennas associated with operational National Command Authority
equipment. This allows POTUS to communicate with the military (and
also make telephone calls <grin>) and allows the military to operate
systems known as "NIGHTWATCH," "TACAMO," and airborne elements of the
nuclear response system. These are not the *only* means of
communication, but are still being used today.

I've visited a number of AT&T sites (some of them hardened,
underground sites). They all have buried cables radiating from the
sites.

If interested, look at www.afn.org/~warnejw for some pictures and a
tour of one underground AT&T site and some links to other resources on
the web.

There's a group of some 20 or 30 people 'out there' that have as a
hobby researching these kind of sites that were involved in government
projects to communicate when Armageddon broke loose.


Daryl R. Gibson <drgibson@du1.byu.edu> wrote:

> I'm interested in how much the terrestial microwave part of AT&T's 
> phone network is still being used. 

------------------------------

From: mcmicken@nospam.ix.netcom.com (Ross McMicken)
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:04:40 GMT


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:19:23 -0500, Matt Bartlett <matt@scottrio.com>
wrote:

> I recieved the same fax at a local HS radio station I do some
> volunteer work for.  I'm no expert on the subject, but isnt a
> originating number required by law?

> Julian Thomas wrote in message ...

>> (no, no, not how to send them!).

>> I recently (Nov 16 6:47PM) received one of these.  No originating number
>> at the top.   Poll - "should gay couples adopt kids".  Yes or no - each
>> with a 900 # to send a fax (for $2.95/minute).

>> Isn't there a way to go after these guys?  ISTR something on this list
>> not too long ago, but an archives search on Junk Fax didn't turn up
>> anything useful.

I received a few faxes from these folks, and they all seem to
originate in the UK, and would therefore probably not be subject to
our laws. One fax had an 800 number to call to remove you from the
list, and when I called it rang with the distinctive UK double ring.
Transatlantic tariffs must have dropped if they can afford to send
this many faxes.

------------------------------

From: Joseph S. Sperrazza <usenetspamtrap@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:26:03 -0700
Organization: Mindspring
Reply-To: Joseph S. Sperrazza <usenetspamtrap@mindspring.com>


Visit the following URLs:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/47/227.html
http://www.junkfaxes.org/
http://www.tcpalaw.com/

pollresult.co.uk does not appear to be a valid domain, according to
http://samspade.org/t/ - perhaps it has already been disabled due to
complaints?

If you could do so, find out who provides the 800 number service and
call them to complain of a violation of the TCPA (however, I have no
clue how to determine the provider of a particular 800 number).

------------------------------

From: Ray Normandeau <fraznor@my-deja.com>
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:27:43 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


In article <telecom19.559.10@telecom-digest.org>, Matt Bartlett
<matt@scottrio.com> wrote:

> I recieved the same fax at a local HS radio station I do some
> volunteer work for.  I'm no expert on the subject, but isnt a
> originating number required by law?

Yes, except for machines made before a certain year which are
grandfathered.  E.G.: my fax machines needs it but my 1987 fax card
does not. If your fax "poll" has a Third Avenue address in NYC I think
that is a mail drop. As time permits I may go to county clerk;s office
here in NYC to research their corporate filing. I may sue both the
faxer and the mail drop if I can show that the mail drop is an "agent"
for the faxer. Mail drop may be required to file form with USPS saying
that they are an agent for receiving faxers postal mail. With a
subpeona I shoull be able to get info from USPS. There is Federal law
which allows for collecting damages for unsolicited faxes.

In searching for info on faxer do searches on "past" posting on Deja.
You can also search with the 900 # as the string.

------------------------------

From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 02:29:40 -0500
Organization: ICAN.Net Customer


On Mon, 15 Nov 1999 07:00:41 -0800, Anthony Argyriou <anthony@
alphageo.com> wrote:

> However, there are some precendents regarding ownership
> of EM radiation. The power company _owns_ the 60Hz (in
> the US) radiation produced by its power lines. The case
> was a farmer who had a barn under some high-tension lines
> which had begun to sag. He put a BIG coil in the rafters
> of the barn, and powered his farm from that. The power
> company sued, successfully.

  Important question ... was the farmer picking up EMF that would have
radiated naturally, or was his coil (inductance coil???) drawing power
from the high-tension lines that wouldn't have otherwise left the
lines?  If he was drawing current that wouldn't have otherwise left
the lines, it becomes cut and dried theft, just as if he had tapped
into the lines physically.


Walter Dnes <waltdnes@waltdnes.org>

------------------------------

From: evans_the_swim@dontbothermewithspam.tesco.net
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:34:59 GMT
Organization: Tesco ISP


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 06:43:14 GMT, Michael Sullivan <avogadro@
bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> Pat, the federal law to which you refer, 47 USC 605, pertains to
> unauthorized reception of radio *communications*, not radio
> *transmissions*.  There is a difference.  Radio transmissions alone
> simply consist of a signal without any informational content, while
> communications are the content.  Under Section 605, one may not, with
> certain exceptions, intercept radio communications without authorization
> and use either the communication or the fact of the communication.  A
> radar signal is a transmission but not a communication.  The signal
> transmitted has no information, intelligence, or other content.  The
> police doppler radar works by simply sending out a series of pulses and
> then timing how long the pulses take to get back.  Detecting the radio
> transmission and using the fact that there has been a radio transmission
> for one's own benefit does not violate the Communications Act in any
> way.  The FCC has issued public notices to that effect.  Moreover, the
> FCC has routinely granted equipment authorizations for devices -- radar
> detectors -- specifically designed to intercept such transmissions. 
> State law is a different matter.  As others have noted, only VA and DC
> prohibit radar detectors.  In fact, if I'm not mistaken, VA actually
> prohibits possession of a radar detector in a vehicle, not only use.

Indeed, this is the most recent interpretation of the part of the
wireless telegraphy act that in the UK was used to outlaw radar
detectors; no longer -- the transmission is not a "message" and so
interception/unauthorised reception is not subject to proscription.

------------------------------

From: dave.garland@wizinfo.com (Dave Garland)
Date: 18 Nov 99 01:15:34 -0600
Subject: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Organization: Wizard Information


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the
> same amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any
> large office in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25
> or 40 watt flourescent tubes but the room is quite bright.
> I'd be interested in knowing how they make them to be
> 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used in a large
> room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the source
> being used.).  PAT]

The difference is in the fluorescent phosphor in the tubes.  While
none of them emits a continuous spectrum, the "warm" tubes emit more
energy at lower (yellower) frequencies and the "cool" ones at higher
(bluer) frequencies.  The cool white phosphors seem to be somewhat
more efficient (more light output for a given amount of power).
"Daylight" are a mix attempting to approximate the color spectrum of
daylight.  It doesn't do that very well, so there are (rather
expensive, like 10x the cost) "full spectrum" tubes as well.

The technology is much the same as neon signs.  The only real
difference is the electrodes (which operate at much lower voltages).
Much "neon" (the non-red colors) uses the same internal gas and
phosphors as fluorescent lights; vendors of neon sign supplies even
sell 4' sticks of "cool white" tubing, which the signmaker fills with
argon gas and a smidge of mercury.

The process is far more efficient than heating a wire white-hot to
make light.

 
-Dave

------------------------------

From: Darryl Smith <vk2tds@ozemail.com.au>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:56:47 +1100
Subject:  Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!


G'Day

> An electrical engineer once told me that DC lines allowed much higher
> voltages and hence lower current (and lesser loss). If your line is
> long enough, at one point it starts to pay to get those lines in DC
> and convert it to AC at the city.

DC Lines are most often used under sea rather than above ground. The
reason is that with running DC in the water you can use the sea water
as the return path ... As we all know Salt Water conducts electricity
well ... therefore the resistance of the transmission line is reduced.

The reason to run DC is to reduce inductive transmission line losses.
This is the loss that causes adjacent bit interference in LAN cables,
and one of the limits on the length of a phone line (the other is
resistive loss)

> One of the BIGGEST drawbacks to DC is that it cannot be transmitted
> more than a few kilometers.  We would need powerplants in nearly every
> neighborhood had DC been the selected standard.

OOPS ... They had better tell that to the people building the
transmission line from the Australian main land to Tasmania. The
longest hop will be over 250 kM. The issue is that DC cannot be moved
around long distances at high currents until the losses become
excessive. But if you increase the voltage high enough, the current
becomes minimal ( I think a couple of amps are common).

I know 1.2 MVolt is used somewhere in Africa.

> The AC power used in our homes uses ONE pole ('hot' wire) of the 3 phase
> main with the neutral '4th' wire being the power 'return'.  The
> 'neutral' wire is a center wire between all three 'hots' and is also a
> direct ground connection.

Under ideal circumstances the neutral wire should never carry any
current.  At both ends of transmission lines you will find a
STAR-DELTA transformer.  The Star has three windings with the common
point the neutral connected to ground. On the other side the three
windings form a loop with the three tap points connected to the
transmission line. Therefore the transmission line actually 'Floats'.

> Some _very_ unpleasant things happen when generators fall out of synch
> with each other, and hence there's been a big desire to move away from
> alternating current.

All power stations have protection from this type of situation, but
what happens when you put the wires in backwards and connect up :-)
 ... your generator capable of generating 660 MWatts is now actually a
660 MWatt load on the system. I have heard of this happening on a
smaller scale in one of the banks down here in their computer center,
at 60 MWatts.

That is a horror senario for the next few months ... what if a few
lines trip out leaving different parts of the grid self-synchronising,
unconneted to each other?

In the Olympic Village all the houses have solar power, with excess
energy inverted to AC and fed back into the grid. I am not sure of the
tarrif here but since there are no batteries, the capital cost is
halved.


Darryl Smith, VK2TDS   POBox 169 Ingleburn NSW 2565 Australia
Mobile Number 0412 929 634 [+61 4 12 929 634 International]

------------------------------

From: andrew@3.1415926.org (Andrew)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:12:35 GMT
Organization: Kill-9 Industries


Larry Finch (LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net) wrote:

> Michael G. Koerner wrote:

>> One of the BIGGEST drawbacks to DC is that it cannot be transmitted
>> more than a few kilometers.  We would need powerplants in nearly every
>> neighborhood had DC been the selected standard.

> You have it backwards. One of the ADVANTAGES of long distance DC power
> transmission is that it has no corona loss, so towers don't have to be
> as high and voltages can be higher. 

DC does not have an advantage over AC in terms of corona loss (except
in the the sense that a 765kv DC line has an advantage over a 765kv
RMS AC line because the peak voltage of the AC line is actually
1082kv).

Corona loss has nothing to do with tower height.

Corona loss happens when the electric field at the surface of the wire
approaches that needed to acheive dielectric breakdown in air, which
is 3 million volts/meter and is a funtion of the voltage and diameter
of the wire. What happens is the air around the wire ionizes and power
is conducted away from the wire through the air.


Andrew

------------------------------

From: Kenneth A. Becker <kab1@lucent.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:08:52 -0500
Organization: Wavestar


Mike Riddle wrote:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I did not think there was such a
>> thing as a 100 watt flourescent tube. Incadescent, yes, flourescent,
>> no. 40 watt and 25 watt flourescent tubes are very common. Maybe some
>> outdoor, all-weather type electric signs use 100 watt flourescents
>> but they are special, and very expensive tubes. Hardly worth stealing
>> electricity to use.   PAT]

> Don't forget those relatively new fluorescent replacements for screw-in
> bulbs.  They generally have their real wattage on the label, such as 23
> watts, but prominent on the display will be "!!!!Same light as a 100 Watt
> bulb!!!!!"

> Truth in labelling?

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
> in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
> tubes but the room is quite bright. I'd be interested in knowing how
> they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
> in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
> source being used.).  PAT]

    This is one of those things that I've always found kind of neat
and interesting. Your standard incandescent light bulb is a
"black-body" radiator. That is, the frequencies that come out of such
a bulb are really wide -- that is, while the light from it peaks in
the visible range, it puts out electromagnetic energy from dc to
daylight, literally. Not too much at the radio frequency end, of
course, and, since this is a "wave the hands" explanation, I won't
bother looking up the equations. The point of all this is, however,
that a good deal of the energy emitted by said light bulb comes in the
form of heat. Infrared, if you prefer.

    Now, florescent light bulbs are a different matter and are an
example of quantum mechanics in motion. First, you ionize a gas, then
continue to run electric current through it. The electrons around a
random ion in the gas are continually being fed energy, popping up to
a higher orbital shell, then dropping back down to a lower orbital
shell. During that drop they give off a photon that contains the
energy difference between the higher shell and the lower shell. Note
that this is the same kind of thing that powers a laser; however, it's
not nearly as well controlled as a laser for serveral good reasons,
not the least of which is that the manufacturers of said florescents
are a lot more interested in the efficiency of conversion of energy
between the AC power and photons than they are in building home-based
gas lasers.

    Now, it turns out with all this that the light coming off this
quantum process is mostly in the ultraviolet. Cool, but rather hard to
see by (and liable to give one a nasty sunburn if exposed to it for
too long!). So, our buddies the manufacturers put a coating on the
inside of the bulb. The coating is designed to absorb the UV and
reradiate at lower frequencies - prefereably at as many lower
frequencies as the manufacturer can figure out how to do. More quantum
mechanics. Remember, we regard "normal" light as that made by that big
"black body" in the sky -- the sun. And that light has, for all
intents and purposes, a continuous spread of frequencies.

    This is where the florescent tube manufactures get busy. Maximum
conversion of power energy to UV photonic; conversion of UV photonic
to visible light; and trying to make the result pleasing to the
eye. Imagine the fun they have changing the composition of the gas in
the tube, the materials in the coating, and so on. I sometimes wonder
what the R&D labs for these places looks like.

    Finally: One can find the response of the eye to light of
differening frequencies in any number of reference manuals. It's
pretty obvious from the above that the manufacturers of florescents
aren't particularly interested in making photons of non-visible light
-- they try to make it all go into the visible spectrum. Hence, not
much in the IR. And >that< is why a 41-watt florescent puts out as
much >>visible<< light as a 100 W incadescent black-body light
bulb. Not as much energy going into heat.


Ken Becker

------------------------------

From: Joseph T. Adams <joe@apk.net>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 18 Nov 1999 14:30:35 GMT
Organization: Quality Data Division of JTAE


PAT wrote, regarding 25/40 watt fluorescent vs. 100 watt incandescent
lighting units:  (sorry, I'm quoting this indirectly)

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. 

Well, this is an easy one.  :) Incandescent light works on the
principle that anything that gets hot enough will emit photons.
Unfortunately, it also will emit heat.  Much of that 100 watts is lost
as heat.  Not a problem if it's cold and you're in a place like Canada
where electric heating is used, but a waste of energy just about
anyplace else.

Fluorescent lighting works on a totally different principle.  The
phosphor need not and does not get hot in order to do its job.  It
simply takes one form of energy and converts it into another.  As a
result it is much more efficient; much less of the energy is lost as
heat, so much more is available to be emitted as light.


Joe

------------------------------

From: Robert Wiegand <bwiegand@sesd.cig.mot.com>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:31:57 -0600
Organization: Motorola CIG


Mike Riddle wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
> in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
> tubes but the room is quite bright.

I'm not an expert, but I believe that the difference is that flourescent
lights produce less heat. Same light output and less heat equals less
total energy used.

> I'd be interested in knowing how
> they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
> in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
> source being used.).  PAT]

I believe the difference is in the material used to coat the inside
of the tube. Different materials glow different colors.


Regards,

Bob Wiegand   bwiegand@sesd.cig.mot.com

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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 18 Nov 99 14:16:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 561

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Lockheed/NANPA and the FCC (Mark J. Cuccia)
    Bell Atlantic Weirdness (Jeff Hecht)
    Re: Japanese Telephone Numbers (Michi Kaifu)
    Strange Question (Stan Ryther)
    Re: Need Link For CO Information (Julian Thomas)
    Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Urban Legend) (Andrew)
    Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Urban Legend) (L. Winson)
    Re: Fluorescent Lighting (Myron Harvey)
    Flourescent Lamps (was Urban Legend) (L. Winson)
    Re: Urban Legend Alert (evans_the_swim@tesco.net)
    Re: Definitions (Bob Goudreau)
    Re: "yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities" (Jon Carpenter)

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:40:47 CST
From: Mark J Cuccia <mcuccia@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu>
Subject: Lockheed/NANPA and the FCC


This was put up on the FCC's website either yesterday or today ...

http://www.fcc.gov/Daily_Releases/Daily_Business/1999/db991117/nrcc9091.txt

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE              NEWS MEDIA CONTACT:
November 17, 1999                  Mike Balmoris at (202) 418-0253
                                   Email: mbalmori@fcc.gov

                   COMMON CARRIER ACTION

         FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION APPROVES
         TRANSFER OF NORTH AMERICAN NUMBERING PLAN
             ADMINISTRATION FUNCTION TO NEUSTAR

Washington, D.C.

Today, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) released an Order 
approving the proposed transfer of the North American Numbering Plan 
(NANP) administrative functions from Lockheed Martin IMS Corporation 
(Lockheed) to NeuStar, Inc. (NeuStar).  Lockheed's Communications
Industry Services (CIS) business unit currently serves as the North
American Numbering Plan Administrator (NANPA). NeuStar is an affiliate
of Warburg, Pincus & Co. (Warburg), a registered investment company with
numerous telecommunications interests.

In the Order, the FCC concludes that Lockheed currently is in violation
of the FCC's neutrality requirements because it is a telecommunications
service provider, but that it may, subject to the FCC's approval, cure
its violation by transferring the NANPA functions to an entity that meets
the neutrality requirements.  The FCC also concludes that NeuStar, as
currently structured, is in compliance with the neutrality requirements.
Thus, NeuStar may assume the NANPA administrative functions, subject to
the terms and conditions enumerated in the Order, for the remainder of
the current appointment term, which will expire in November of 2002.

NeuStar will be controlled by a voting trust, which will, in most 
instances, control the voting rights for Warburg's majority (54%)
interest in the trust. NeuStar's five-member Board of Directors will be
comprised of two Warburg employees, the CEO of NeuStar, and two
unaffiliated directors.  To ensure NeuStar's neutrality despite its 
affiliation with Warburg, the FCC has imposed certain conditions and 
safeguards.  First, NeuStar will be required to comply with its proposed
Code of Conduct, which seeks to ensure that NeuStar administers the NANP
in a competitively neutral manner. Second, additional safeguards are
imposed to provide for FCC oversight of the quarterly neutrality audits
which NeuStar will undergo.  Finally, NeuStar will be required to maintain
its present organizational structure throughout its term as the NANPA.

                        --  more  --

Action by the Commission, November 12, 1999, by Order in CC Docket No. 
92-237 (FCC 99-346).  Chairman Kennard and Commissioners Ness, Powell and 
Tristani; Commission Furchtgott-Roth dissenting and issuing a statement.

Report No. 99-53

                           -FCC-

Common Carrier contact: Tejal Mehta at (202) 418-7397
                         TTY: (202) 418-2555

News about the Federal Communications Commission can also be found on the
Commission's web site www.fcc.gov

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:01:07 -0500
From: Jeff Hecht <jhecht@world.std.com>
Subject: Bell Atlantic Weirdness


Something weird is going on with my home-business telephone
account. Last month, I noticed that I wasn't charged for any
out-of-state long-distance calls. A few days ago, Bell Atlantic
called, asking for who handled my business account, using the name I
sometimes use for consulting (which appears in a few industry
directories but not on my phone account), saying that I was owed a
refund on Bell Atlantic overcharges for several phone lines. I only
have two lines under my name for business, and the overcharges were
larger than any of the line charges that show up on my bill. I told
that to the woman who called, and she said she would look into the
account. No callback yet.

Yesterday this month's phone bill arrived, again with no long-distance
charges but a monthly service bill and a couple of credit-card charges
from my long-distance carrier, AT&T. I called AT&T to ask what was
going on; their records show no long-distance charges since August 12,
although I've made calls. (I've also used a 1010xxx bypass for one of
my clients, but I made other long-distance calls using a straight
1-xxx-xxx-xxxx format.)  AT&T suggested I check 1-700-555-4141 to see
who is my long-distance carrier. But when I try that from my business
lines I get a recording "your call cannot be completed as dialled." I
just tried that number from the family phone line, and it identifies
my long-distance carrier on that line properly.

Then I called Bell Atlantic. They thought the long-distance carrier on
my voice line had been MCI since 1985; I had changed to AT&T a few
years ago, and Bell Atlantic had been billing me for AT&T since then!
AT&T still shows up as my carrier on my Bell Atlantic bill. Bell
Atlantic also has AT&T as the carrier of record for my fax/modem line,
which also shows no long-distance calls since Aug 12. (That may be
right, since most long-distance calls on that line are to the client
who uses the 1010xxx bypass.) The Bell Atlantic rep claimed to have no
idea what was going on.

It looks to me like Bell Atlantic's got some serious database
problems. How did they get MCI as my carrier since 1985? (I wouldn't
put MCI past slamming me -- they lost my account by slamming me from a
low-rate to a high-rate service of their own -- but Bell Atlantic says
the account hasn't changed since 1985, which probably means since the
start of their records.)  Why doesn't 1-700-555-4141 work on the two
business lines? Where are the long-distance charges going? (I don't
mind free long-distance calls, but the last time there was a billing
glitch, I got an ugly surprise with a huge, spurious MCI bill spanning
a few months.) How did Bell Atlantic pick up my business name when it
doesn't appear on the account, and why did they think they had
overcharged me so much? Any ideas? If it matters, I'm in one of the
few innner Boston suburbs still in the 617 area code.  


Jeff Hecht,
jhecht@world.std.com

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From: Michi Kaifu <mail16824@pop.net>
Subject: Re: Japanese Telephone Numbers
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 00:24:39 -0800


These questions were posted two weeks ago, so it may be too late, but
just quick answers for the heck of it.

Mark Fine <m-fine@shf.co.il> wrote:

> 1. What is the phone number length in Japan? Is it equal for all Japan
> regions and all telecommunications companies?

Ten digits.  Prefix "0" + Area code (1-5 digits) + Local code (0-4
digits) + Individual code (4 digits) Area code length is usually
shorter for large cities (Tokyo"3", Osaka "6", Yokohama "45" etc.).
Area code + Local code combination always equals 5 digits, so the
total length is always 10 digits including the prefix for long
distance calls.  If you are calling within the same area code, the
length varies from region to region.  The rule applies to all Japan,
all landline carriers.

> 2. What is the phone number length in Japan for mobile phones?  Is it
> equal for all Japan regions and all telecommunications companies?

11 digits.  Cellphone: Prefix "090"+8 digits, PHS: Prefix "070"+8
digits.  Same for all regions, all carries.

Sorry, cannot answer the other questions.

and David Henry <henryd@net-gong.com>:

> What I need is the complete list of codes collated by prefecture.  Can
anyone please point me to the correct URL?

Cannot find on the Web in English, but it is listed on any telephone book
(they call it "Hallo Page") in Japan.  I know that there was an English
version telephone directory several years ago, issued by NTT Tokyo branch.
You may want to try it.  If you can read Japanese, go to the MPT site and
see the overview of telephone numbers.

www.mpt.go.jp/top/tel_number/q_and_a.html


Michi Kaifu
ENOTECH Consulting
michi@pop.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:59:54 -0500
From: Stan Ryther <ryther.stan@hcds.com>
Reply-To: ryther.stan@hcds.com
Organization: Syracuse Community Health Center, Inc.
Subject: Seeking Traffic Formula


While attending a recent Conference on Telephone Triage, Call Centers
and Telemedicine one of the Participante mentioned something about a
formula that was developed for staffing switchboards during the early
history of the telephone. This formula had the mathematician's name
attached, and supposedly was a calculus formula, but I cannot remember
the name or the exact time period for this.  I would like to look at it
and see if it has implications for my staffing my own Call Center.  Do
you have any knowledge of this formula or how I might find out about it.


Thanks muchly,

Stan Ryther
ryther.stan@hcds.com


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The name you are seeking is 'Erlang'
as in Erlang Formula. See if that gets you what you need.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Re: Need Link For CO Information
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:17:39 GMT


In <telecom19.558.11@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/17/99 at 06:01 PM,
Andrew Mark <amark@smartkey.com> said:

> During the past week, someone who's smart posted a link to a site which
> showed the configuration of the corresponding CO for all #s in the US.

I'm not the original poster, but tried it out.  There were a number of
comments to the effect that not all data on the site was correct.

www.mapquest.com -- online maps -- and fill in the telephone area code
search box.
 

 Julian Thomas: jt . epix @ net  http://home.epix.net/~jt
 remove letter a for email (or switch . and @)
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 "User error. Replace user and press any key..."

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From: andrew@3.1415926.org (Andrew)
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)
Date: 18 Nov 1999 13:41:42 GMT
Organization: Kill-9 Industries


Danny Burstein (dannyb@panix.com) wrote:

> While the vast majority of these are AC, things _have_ definitely
> changed in the past couple of decades. Quite a few of these interties
> are now high voltage DC "("HVDC"), and more are on the way.

> Reason? Recall that AC is, by definition, an alternating current. It's
> _very_ non-trivial to keep the different portions of the system
> generating in phase with each other.

It IS very trivial to keep a grid of connected AC generators in synch
and this should be obvious to anyone who knows how an AC generator
works. Once I bring my generator up to speed and connect it to the
grid it will stay synchronized without any further intervention from
me. Keeping the whole grid sychronized to a master clock is non-trivial,
but this is not a motivation for using more DC.

> It's pretty easy to keep two generators that have a direct connection
> with each other rotating in synch, but ... we're talking lots and lots
> of separate generators, along with grid connections that aren't just
> 'point a to point b' but are dymaically switching second by second
>  ... meaning that the "distance" between the generators is also
> switching. Even though speed of light is pretty fast, you do have to
> take wire distances into account. There are lots of other issues
> involved as well.

There's a lot of switching noise on the grid (mostly from industrial
customers) but this is not a synchronization issue.

> Some _very_ unpleasant things happen when generators fall out of synch
> with each other, and hence there's been a big desire to move away from
> alternating current.

Connected AC generators don't fall out of synch, and again, this is not
a motivation for using more DC.


Andrew

------------------------------

From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson)
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)
Date: 18 Nov 1999 18:31:48 GMT
Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS


> (Note that in the following I'm talking about the common power
> arrangements in the US. Specialized industrial or rapid transit
> settings may be set up differently. 25 hz anyone?)

The commuter rail networks of Philadelphia, part of New Jersey, and
Amtrak's NYC-Washington line are powered by 11,000 volt 25 Hz lines.
This was the best power available when the first trains were
electrified back in 1915 and has been maintained since.  Some segments
elsewhere have been modernized with 60 Hz, which eliminates the need
for cumbersome frequency converters.

Today's electric trains can be modified to use various currents, but
most units require a shop modification, and only some can change power
on the fly while in service.

Originally, the older trains, all retired now, had different motors
that required 25 Hz.  In the 1950s-1960s, rectifiers became small
enough that the trains began to rectify the AC current to supply 600
volt DC traction motors.  (Diesel freight locomotives actually use the
diesel engine to generate electricity on board to drive motors.)
Railroads are moving from 600 volt DC traction motors to high-tech
3-phase AC motors controlled by sophisticated control systems.  (I
don't understand the new stuff, but supposedly the newest AC systems
have more rugged motors and are more energy efficient.)

Subway and streetcar (light rail) systems are powered by 600-750 volt
DC, either from a trolley wire or third rail.  Substations at close
intervals rectify the current.

> The power grid is a multi-tiered arrangement. Typical residential/
> light industrial electricity is 60 hz ac, with wall voltage of 110v
> for common usage, (and a typical) 220 for high demand loads such as
> central air conditioners. Some industrial settings will also use
> higher voltages, but let's not get into the 277/440v stuff here.

Even in local distribution, the power is still high, about 1,000 volts,
and stepped down to 110/220 only on a block by block basis.

> Reason? Recall that AC is, by definition, an alternating current. It's
> _very_ non-trivial to keep the different portions of the system
> generating in phase with each other.

I had a tour of the local power station and asked about keeping the
frequency in sync with the grid.  They said it was not a problem.
Minor variations from one generator just get absorbed by the grid.

------------------------------

From: Myron Harvey <mharvey@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 04:40:57 -0700


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:29:50 -0500, Ed Ellers <ed_ellers@email.msn.
com> wrote:

> PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted in reply:

snip

> Some of the bulbs were in difficult to reach areas, that is, they
> required a stepladder, or scaffolding, etc. He said to avoid having
> to change the bulbs as often, he used bulbs at two or three times
> the amount of wattage desired, but half the voltage. That is, 
> instead of a 100 watt bulb designed for 120 volts, he would use
> a 300 watt bulb designed for 240 volts (on a 120 line). It seemed
> to me as though the room was just as bright, but obviously the
> bulb was only getting 'half as much use' as a normal bulb, therefore
> it would not burn out for years at a time, he claimed. [PAT]

snip

Incandescent Lamp Life:

In the late 50's my employer breadboarded a four stage frequency
divider with transistors to investigate performance and reliability.
Incandescent lamps were added to the collector returns so operation
could be observed "off the bench". Unexplained changes of state of
dividers were explained by a G.E. Small Lamps Division rep as due
to use of a lamp with a crimped as opposed to a welded filament. An
8000 hour welded filament lamp was installed and in a matter of 
months exhibited lamp failures. G.E. said the 8000 hours was a
rating of Mean Time to Failure, an implicit guarantee that half of
the lamps would fail in 8000 hours. Standard usage was either
undefined or proprietary.

The rep then said there is something you can do. You should be
aware that "the life of an incandescent lamp is inversely proportional
to the 13th power of the operating current". Interesting that the
power should be 13, as in Friday the ..

So yes, the extension of lamp life is mind bending if you can tolerate
lower light output and color change. Lamps on the towers supporting
a 500 KW VLF transmitter antenna in Hawaii were 220 v. with 110 v.
service when I was there in the early 50's. Someone went up once in
the two years I served there to replace lamps. The "life" of off the
shelf incandescent lamps for residential use are typically 750 ... 1000
hours.  

------------------------------

From: lwinson@bbs.cpcn.com (L. Winson)
Subject: Flourescent Lamps (was Urban Legend)
Date: 18 Nov 1999 18:19:47 GMT
Organization: The PACSIBM SIG BBS


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
> in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
> tubes but the room is quite bright. I'd be interested in knowing how
> they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
> in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
> source being used.).  PAT]

A friend worked for the telephone company and was restoring old
streetcars for a trolley museum.  A phoneco CO was modernizing and
replacing old incandescent fixtures with flourescent.  They gave
him the old fixtures, which were a very pretty glass arrangement.
They looked great in the trolley car.  (See, there is even a
telephone connection to this thread!)

A 40 watt flourescent lamp tube puts out about the same amount of light
as a 75 watt incandescent bulb.  Further, the flourescent light has
less glare and doesn't need the kind of diffusion glass (which is
inefficient) that incandescent lamps need.

The disadvantage is that flourescent fixtures require a ballast and
are larger than incandescent fixtures and thus cost more.  But for
office and industrial lighting, they are far more efficient.

I remember when some highways had flourescent lamp fixtures, although
these seem to be replaced by mercury-vapor or sodium-vapor.  I myself
don't care for the yellowish sodium vapor street lights, they give
a very unnatural and glareful feel and sometimes is too stark and harsh.
(I'd rather have an area lit by many small fixtures instead of a few 
big ones, even though that is less efficient.)

Most flourescent lights are "cool white" because the other types cost
more.  I don't think most people notice the difference.  In taking
pictures, the cool white yields a green cast on daylight color film,
which looks bad if people are the subjects.  (An "FLD" filter is
needed.)  The warm white comes out better.

The classic 40 watt tube has been around for years.  But now they have
new types of thin tubes that are brigther and of course the coiled
tubes that replace an incandescent fixture.

------------------------------

From: evans_the_swim@tesco.net
Subject: Re: Urban Legend Alert
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:34:56 GMT
Organization: Tesco ISP


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:22 EST, Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) wrote:

>> A fairly recent magazine article describes how one enterprising
>> amateur radio operator keeps his HT battery charged up by rectifying
>> RF from a nearby AM radio station.

>   Wasn't the April issue, was it ?

>   Without a citation, this looks like ANOTHER version of the UL.

I remember reading about a "cheat" of a way to get amplification in a
short-wave radio circuit "without" a power source -- you rectified the
rf of a relatively powerful medium-wave station and used that to drive
the gain stage of the rf you were really interested in. Using it to
charge a HT battery?  Maybe the radio station is right next door.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:38:38 EST
From: Bob Goudreau <goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com>
Subject: Re: Definitions


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
> Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
> detectors' doesn't it. If so, do we have a detecting device which
> detects radio detectors?

Exactly.  And to raise the bar yet another notch, the police in
Virginia use radar detector detectors to catch people who use
radar detectors (which are illegal there).  That would be a detector
of a detector of a detector!  It may sound silly, but at least it's
accurately named, unlike the phrase discussed below:

> But then PIN, as in 'Personal Identification Number' is frequently
> stated as 'PIN number' which seems to double things up on the end
> also. 

And the misbegotten phrase "PIN number" is often used in the same
sentence as "ATM machine".  Aargh!  Don't get me started ...


Bob Goudreau			Data General, a division of EMC Corp.
goudreau@rtp.dg.com		62 Alexander Drive	
+1 919 248 6231			Research Triangle Park, NC  27709, USA

------------------------------

From: Jon Carpenter <Carpenter@bsr.com>
Subject: Re: "yuh as a rezedent, ave di rights ahn rispansabilities"
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:57:32 -0500


Pat,

This has been covered extensively in Cecil Adams' Straight Dope web page.

See:

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/991112.html
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/991119.html


Jon Carpenter
carpenter@bsr.com

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TELECOM Digest     Fri, 19 Nov 99 00:45:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 562

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Wireless Tower of Babel (Arthur Ross)
    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (Syd Barrett)
    Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup (Adam Sampson)
    Calling Card Without Payphone Surcharge! (Frank Prindle)
    Re: Definitions (Joey Lindstrom)
    Re: Definitions (Atri Indiresan)
    Re: Definitions (Ryan Tucker)
    Re: New Improved Siemens Gigaset 2420 (Steve Winter)
    Re: Dispute Over Student Web Site Sparks Lawsuit (Anthony Argyriou)
    Telemarketers and Voice Mail (The Old Fart)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Bob Schreibmaier)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Brett Frankenberger)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Mike Stump)

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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:46:16 -0700
From: Arthur Ross <a.ross@ieee.org>
Subject: Wireless Tower of Babel


 From 11/18/99 WSJ -

 The Global Search Continues For a Single Wireless Standard

 By STEPHANIE N. MEHTA
 Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

 The global phone is coming. Sort of.

 Consolidation in the wireless industry is prompting cellular-phone makers
 to develop gadgets that bridge the jumble of wireless networks around the
 world. AT&T Corp. and British Telecommunications PLC, which are forming an
 international venture, are pushing hard for "multimode" phones that will
 work on different networks on either side of the Atlantic.

 These network-agile phones may prove to be the only viable option for
 globetrotters who want to use their phones anytime, anywhere. Some
 industry executives had hoped the next generation of wireless networks,
 designed to handle Internet and data traffic, would coalesce along a
 single standard. But instead wireless carriers are as entrenched as ever,
 favoring next-generation technologies that closely resemble existing
 networks that cost billions of dollars to build.

 A 'Standards Tower of Babel'

 "There will be multiple broadband-wireless standards," said Mark
 Lowenstein, an analyst for the Yankee Group, a consulting firm in Boston.
 "We're expecting this standards Tower of Babel to continue for the
 foreseeable future."

 There are a half-dozen standards for wireless service in place today,
 ranging from Global System for Mobile Communications, or GSM, the digital
 mode favored by most of Europe, to Code Division Multiple Access, or CDMA,
 the upstart technology favored by the likes of Sprint Corp. and Bell
 Atlantic Corp.

 By the end of next year, at least two phone makers are expected to
 introduce devices that operate on GSM networks and networks built around
 yet another digital standard, Time Division Multiple Access, or TDMA. "If
 GSM and TDMA converge, a dominant standard in terms of coverage and
 subscribers is formed," said Daniel Hesse, president of AT&T's wireless
 unit. AT&T operates on the TDMA standard; its partner British Telecom is a
 GSM operator.

 Other phone companies are promoting phones that seamlessly forge CDMA and
 GSM networks.

 "As consolidation happens, there is a need for companies to create and
 develop products that can seamlessly go across these technologies and
 protocols," said Ralph Pini, a senior vice president for technology and
 product development at Motorola Inc. "As we get some of the customer
 requests, we will respond to them and create products around these needs."

 To be sure, some customers already can use their phones in many markets
 around the world. The most popular standard world-wide is GSM, which
 boasts more than 230 million users, according to the Yankee Group. Phones
 introduced last year allow customers to use their GSM phones in the U.S.,
 Asia and Europe.

 Competition Likely to Increase

 But GSM has attracted only about five million users in North America. The
 biggest carriers in the U.S. need to come up with alternate ways to
 deliver global reach to their customers. CDMA has more than 45 million
 customers world-wide, and digital TDMA has about 33 million customers.

 The competition among standards isn't likely to dissolve as carriers move
 to the next, or third, generation of wireless networks -- sometimes called
 "3G" for short. For starters, the deployment of 3G in the U.S. and Europe
 remains several years away; carriers have invested billions of dollars in
 their current networks and are looking for easy, less costly ways to
 upgrade their systems for data.

 Some analysts believe existing CDMA carriers will embrace CDMA2000, a
 technology that promises to deliver data to a wireless device at speeds
 faster than traditional laptop computers. It is expected that GSM and TDMA
 carriers will adopt another form of broadband wireless technology. "They
 are not going to be compatible," said Mr. Lowenstein of the Yankee Group.

 In some ways, carriers actually prefer a world with multiple standards.
 Today the companies use their standards as a marketing tool to
 differentiate themselves: GSM carriers in the U.S. boast that their phones
 work in Europe, CDMA carriers trot out studies that suggest their networks
 produce better sound quality. But CDMA-only handsets, for example, also
 serve to keep customers from taking their phones and jumping to a
 competing carrier. If customers could use their phone on any network, they
 might be more inclined to switch wireless phone companies much the way
 they switch long-distance carriers.

 Furthermore, not all carriers are aggressively pushing to deliver
 world-wide wireless services. "I'm not sure how much market there is" in
 providing international wireless services, said Richard Lynch, chief
 technology officer of Bell Atlantic's wireless unit. "It's a goal to be
 reached someday, but I don't think it is a guarantee of success in the
 marketplace."

------------------------------

Reply-To: Syd Barrett <zzzzzzzzzz@zzzzzzzzzz.zzz>
From: Syd Barrett <zzzzzzzzzz@zzzzzzzzzz.zzz>
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:33:07 GMT
Organization: @Home Network


TELECOM Digest Editor Noted:

> Scott Abraham is one such exception. Maybe ... but since 'someone'
> submitted one side of the story, I trust you enjoyed reading, as
> Paul Harvey would phrase it, 'the rest of the story'.   PAT]

Pat, one of the things I like about you is that, beyond having a
prodigious amount of knowledge about telecom both in its current and
historical contexts, you seem to provide a constant voice of reason
and moderation in this group.  But I guess that's what a moderator
should be doing.  Kudos!


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for your kind words. With
so many people jumping on the bandwagon regards this latest incident
I thought it was important to have a few more details in place. Let's
face it; as the net continues to grow, I think we are going to see
police all over the place. I think all we can do is hope that when
they must be involved for one reason or another -- and I really do
suspect like any large community they are going to become more and
more involved whether the rest of us like it or not -- that they 
know and respect the difference between 'spying' and legitimate
investigations with a specific purpose; that they respect the many
traditions we have developed here over the years; and that they
respect our privacy. That may be a pretty tall order for some cops.
I still do not know what to think in Scott Abraham's case.   PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:03:57 +0000
From: Adam Sampson <azz@gnu.org>
Reply-To: azz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Court Imposes Gag-Order in a Skiing Newsgroup


sjsobol@NorthShoreTechnologies.Net (Steve Sobol) wrote:

>>> A King County District Judge today issued a far-reaching order that
>>> may be a first-ever precedent in cyber-space, banning a man from
>>> talking about Zoom skis, or any other skiing-related topic, in the
>>> Usenet newsgroup Rec.Skiing.Alpine.

>>    In the US, at least, content-based regulation of non-commercial,
>> non-obscene speech is ALWAYS unconstitutional. [...]

> What an idiot the judge is. What is she going to do if I post? I'm not
> in her jurisdiction, nor are any of the Net surfers outside the US.

That's a very reasonable viewpoint, but as far as I can tell the
judge's ruling was only against the flamer[s]; the request that Declan
McCullagh quoted on his Politech list reads just as a reasonable
request to stop the flamewar, rather than any attempt at legal
rank-pulling. It doesn't say "if you flame, we'll arrest you", but
"not flaming is good for the group"; the same sentiment as expressed
in most newsgroups' FAQ files. Here's the message:


  Date:        10/07  1:28 PM     
  Received:    10/07  2:11 PM
  From: Leanne Shirey, Leanne.Shirey@ci.seattle.wa.us 

  I am asking all participants in the RSA newsgroup to stop all postings
  that do not have to do with skiing.  A truce is in order.  Ignore
  anything that is not friendly and ski related.  Not responding in any
  way will make all involved the better adults.  If they have any
  questions they can e-mail me or call (206 684-8651).

  Please forward this to anyone on the group.  I am asking ALL parties
  to stop the word war going on.  I appreciate the cooperation of all
  parties involved.

  If we can gain a truce from all, I think the group can get back on track.

  Det. Leanne Shirey
  Seattle PD 


Adam Sampson
azz@gnu.org

------------------------------

From: Frank Prindle <prindle@voicenet.com>
Subject: Calling Card Without Payphone Surcharge!
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 16:40:23 -0500


I just found out that my ISP is now offering a calling card (VOIP) @
.09/min billed to a credit card http://www.voicenet.com/universal.html
and the unusual thing is they claim there is no payphone surcharge
even though access to their network is via an 800 number. I wonder how
they are getting around the payphone surcharge. I can't believe they
are just eating it. Anyway, if it's true (I'll find out soon, I just
ordered one), it sounds like a deal if you call from payphones a lot.

Only two possible drawbacks:

	a) it's VOIP so the voice quality may vary, I guess
	b) no statements by mail, must view at web site

Then again, they could decide a month or two down the road to add the
payphone surcharge after people are already signed up. Sigh.


Sincerely,

Frank Prindle
prindle@voicenet.com

------------------------------

From: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 14:09:19 -0700
Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Subject: Re: Definitions


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:01:04 -0500 (EST), editor@telecom-digest.org
wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
> Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
> detectors' doesn't it. If so, do we have a detecting device which
> detects radio detectors? Sort of a double spy as in spy-vs-spy, Mad
> Magazine style? That might be a good way to describe it; we are
> using a radio to spy and find out if someone nearby is using a radio
> to spy on us. Maybe someone could develop an 'anti-TEMPEST' detector
> to tell us if someone nearby was using that method of spying, by
> looking for the radiation *it* was emitting. 

Here in Alberta, before they finally decided to no longer go after
people for having radar detectors in their cars, the cops did indeed
have "radar detector detectors".  Dunno how they worked tho.

This one doesn't bother me, because a "radar detector" detects the
useage of radar signals -- and a radar signal is, of course, a radio
signal used for detecting and ranging.  It "bends the rules" but
doesn't break them.

> But then PIN, as in 'Personal Identification Number' is frequently
> stated as 'PIN number' which seems to double things up on the end
> also. 

This one, however, *DOES* bug me.  Holy redundant redundant, Batman!
"Please type in your Personal Identification Number Number, please".
:-) Sorta reminds me of that Dilbert strip, where Dilbert invites
Wally to join his "T.T.P." Project ... and we find out that that
acronym stands for "The T.T.P. Project".  Wally declines, prefering to
be Dilbert's arch-nemesis instead.

> Since you dared me to give you another acronym, here goes. It is
> not a radio term. Beginning in 1946, and continuing through the
> present time, although not as much in recent years, Americans have
> donated to a charity known as 'CARE' because we care. In fact, in
> the years immediatly following the second war, we sent 'Care Packages'
> to these people to help them. What was the original phrase which
> eventually was forgotten in lieu of just using the word 'care'?

"Cooperative for American Relief Everywhere"  :-)  Strange that this
acronym is also just as ubiquitous in "other" countries too, such as
here in Canada, when it's a specifically American term.


Your turn.  "LASER"  :-)

(but let's stay away from "FORD", "DODGE", and "PONTIAC", ok?)


 From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom
 Visit The NuServer!  http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU
 Visit The Webb!      http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU

 Four years ago...  no, it was yesterday. Today I...  No, that wasn't me.
 Sometimes I...  No, I don't.
         --Steven Wright


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The answer to your query about LASER
is (L)ight (A)mplification by (S)timulated (E)mission of (R)adiation.
But I cheated. I'll tell you can cheat also in just a minute.

Regards CARE, USA'ans of the 1940-50's knew of it as the
(C)ommittee for (A)merican (R)elief in (E)urope. Please recall, but
I am sure our European readers do not need to be reminded, that in 
1945-46 much of Europe was an absolute shambles as a result of the
war just concluded. President Harry S Truman insisted that the United
States would accept as much responsibility as it could to help our
allies rebuild their countries, their businesses and homes, and their
lives. Although there was direct government assistance, CARE was the
agency used by individuals, community organizations, churches, etc
who also wished to contribute. Now my question to you regards
President Truman's middle name. What was it? If you look carefully
where it appears above, and as long as you understand I did *not*
have an error in punctuation, you'll have a big clue toward the
answer.

Now about that cheating. Many readers do not know about our inter-
active glossary feature here at the Telecom Archives. It works like
this: 
    Send email to telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org
    The subject line does not matter. Make it anything.
    Flush with the left margin use these commands:

    REPLY yourname@email.address
    GLOSSARY LASER
    END

You will get back email with a glossary lookup from several glossaries
located at http://telecom-digest.org/archives/glossaries

GLOSSARY always requires an argument, which should be upper case
letters without a 'period' between the letters; in other words
MFJ  *not* M.F.J.

You can have a complete set of my five glossaries by using the above
routine like this:

    REPLY yourname@email.address
    SEND glossaries        (or GET glossaries will work just as well)
    END

To learn about the thousands of files available in the archives which
you can have sent to you automatically in email and the many commands
you can use to GET or SEND files, SEARCH article/author names since
1989 (with about sixty thousand article titles to pick through) plus
lots of other things, try this:

    REPLY yourname@email.address
    HELP
    INFO
    INDEX
    END

You will get back a list of all the commands my automated service
understands and the proper syntax for each. You'll get a list of
all the information files which describe how to search and use the
archives, and you will get the latest index to the archives, which
is compiled at 5:00 AM each day in addition to anytime a new issue
of the Digest is released. Add the command VERBOSE if you want to
see how your instructions are being interpreted, although if you
make an error in your commands I automatically trigger VERBOSE in
order to get a file back to you for review. If you are not sure if
your email system will work correctly, then use the command TEST to
get back a short test file. Don't forget to tell me about President
Truman's middle name.     PAT]

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Definitions
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:18:34 -0500
From: Atri Indiresan <atri@eecs.umich.edu>


In TELECOM Digest V19 #558,

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
> Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
> detectors' doesn't it. If so, do we have a detecting device which
> detects radio detectors? Sort of a double spy as in spy-vs-spy, Mad
> Magazine style? That might be a good way to describe it; we are
> using a radio to spy and find out if someone nearby is using a radio
> to spy on us. Maybe someone could develop an 'anti-TEMPEST' detector
> to tell us if someone nearby was using that method of spying, by
> looking for the radiation *it* was emitting. 

AFAIK, a radar detector is a passive device, and hence does not emit
any meaningful radiation to do its task. The radar is the radiating
device that is detected. However, since the radar detector is placed
on the car's dashboard, it is quite visible to any police car that
might happen to drive by. More sophisticated radar detectors are used
by the military. Every so often, I read of US aircraft firing at
ground targets in Iraq becuase they detected radar locking on them,
persumably from anti-aircraft weapons.

SONAR (SOund NAvigation and Ranging) uses the same principle as radar
but is mainly used underwater. It emits a sound and listens for the
echo. The problem with this, especially in a military combat
situation, is that the opponent hears the sonar ping before you hear
the echo. More recently, passive sonar devices have been used that
simply listen for the sounds made by other ships/submarines, and I
believe these are quite effective.

> Since you dared me to give you another acronym, here goes. It is
> not a radio term. Beginning in 1946, and continuing through the
> present time, although not as much in recent years, Americans have
> donated to a charity known as 'CARE' because we care. In fact, in
> the years immediatly following the second war, we sent 'Care Packages'
> to these people to help them. What was the original phrase which
> eventually was forgotten in lieu of just using the word 'care'?

I thought CARE was "Cooperative for American Relief Everywhere", but
was not sure, and so, I cheated :) Looks like my memory was not wrong,
just slightly out of date. Here's info from www.care.org:

What does CARE stand for?

When CARE was created in 1945, the acronym stood for the "Cooperative
for American Remittances to Europe." In the 1950s, this was changed to
the "Cooperative for American Relief Everywhere" and in the 1990s, it
became what it is now, the "Cooperative for Assistance and Relief Everywhere."
 
> Anyway, tell me about 'Care' ...  PAT]

Just did,

Atri


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If they say it was 'Remittances to'
rather than 'Relief for' I'll take their word for it. They should
know.  And I thought it was 'Committee' rather than 'Cooperative'.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: rtucker+from+199911@katan.ttgcitn.com (Ryan Tucker)
Subject: Re: Definitions
Reply-To: rtucker+replyto+199911@katan.ttgcitn.com
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:33:15 GMT
Organization: Time Warner Road Runner - Rochester NY


In <telecom19.561.11@telecom-digest.org>, Bob Goudreau
<goudreau@dg-rtp.dg.com> spewed:

> Exactly.  And to raise the bar yet another notch, the police in
> Virginia use radar detector detectors to catch people who use
> radar detectors (which are illegal there).  That would be a detector
> of a detector of a detector!  It may sound silly, but at least it's
> accurately named, unlike the phrase discussed below:

 ... and many radar detectors can detect the detector detector detector,
turning them into not only detectors of speed detectors, but detector
detector detector detectors.

I hope, for my sanity, the police techies don't do the obvious next
step ... 


Ryan Tucker <rtucker+23@ttgcitn.com>  http://www.ttgcitn.com/~rtucker/
President, TTGCITN Communications   Box 92425, Rochester NY 14692-0425
Please keep public threads public -- e-mail responses will be ignored.

------------------------------

From: steve@sellcom.com (Steve Winter)
Subject: Re: New Improved Siemens Gigaset 2420
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:43:59 -0500
Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM
Reply-To: steve@sellcom.com


tophatvideo@hotmail.com spake thusly and wrote:

> It seems that the answering machine in the 2420 has four outgoing
> messages, but does it have internal "mailboxes?"  E.g., "This is the
> Smith residence; press 1 for Harv, 2 for Marge, etc."

No, it does not have separate incoming mailboxes.  But really, you
can generally tell who a message is for.

You could just have the outgoing message say "press 1 for Harv etc,
then pause and go "transferring your call please leave a message 
after the tone".  Most people would never know the difference.


Steve

http://www.sellcom.com
Cyclades Siemens EnGenius Zoom at discount prices.
SSL Secure VISA/MC/AMEX Online ordering
New Brick Wall "non-MOV" surge protection
Now shipping the new enhanced Siemens 2420 Gigaset

------------------------------

From: Anthony Argyriou <anthony@alphageo.com>
Subject: Re: Dispute Over Student Web Site Sparks Lawsuit
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:57:10 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


By PAMELA MENDELS 

> Earlier this year, a freshman at a Catholic high school in the suburbs
> of New York City was expelled because of the contents of a personal
> Web site he created at home.

> Now, the student and his parents have filed a lawsuit against Albertus 
> Magnus High School in Bardonia, N.Y., and two school officials, saying 
> the school's action violated the boy's free-speech rights. They are 
> asking for at least $1 million in damages. 

Without reading further, but taking the facts stated here at face
value, this is a tricky case. If it was a public school, the school
has no right to regulate off-campus behavior unless it affects the
school -- ie, if the student is libelling or threatening teachers on
his website, or giving out stolen test info, or something like that.

For a private high school, there should be a different legal standard.
If the school informed the parents that students' behavior off-campus
could lead to on-campus discipline, then the school should be allowed
to do so. If the school has not previously notified the parents of
such policies, then they are in breach of contract, regardless of
free-speech rights.

Catholic schools try to develop their students' moral character -
evidence of failure is something they ought to be allowed to judge
their students by, as much as they would judge academic failure. 


Anthony Argyriou
http://www.alphageo.com/

------------------------------

From: grouch@crosswinds.nut (The Old Fart)
Subject: Telemarketers and Voice Mail
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:00:01 GMT
Organization: Frontier GlobalCenter Inc.


The other morning I discovered we had a voice mail message.  This
message (rather long) had been placed in our mailbox during the night
by a telemarketer.  

Our setup here is to use an answering machine on our phone line.  It
grabs the line before a call would be diverted to voice mail.  If we
are on the phone, and choose to ignore call waiting, then the voice
mail would get the call.

Obviously, this particular call did not follow that path.  Since, with
our voice mail menu, there is an option to leave a message in someone
else's mailbox, I assume anyone else would be able to do the same with
my ours.  But, the fact I have voice mail is not a published fact.

A few questions:

Did this telemarketer have a list of active mailboxes to work with)? 

Would the telephone company have to be the one to supply this list?
Or, did they dial mailbox numbers at random, and if so, how did they
know which ones were non-business mailboxes?  

Has anyone else run across this, and is it the next generation of
voice spam?

How legal is this?

In a fit of rage, I hit the 'delete' button before even listening to
the entire message, so I can't supply concrete facts about the caller.


  Please post replies -- this email account is seldom read.
  If you must reply by email, use a NET for the NUT!
  

[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I would appreciate it if you would
quit forging my name to your messages!  PAT]

------------------------------

From: k3ph@dxis.monroe.pa.us (Bob Schreibmaier)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:19:55 GMT
Organization: PenTeleData http://www.ptd.net


In article <telecom19.560.14@telecom-digest.org>, Joseph T. Adams
<joe@apk.net> wrote:

> Fluorescent lighting works on a totally different principle.  The
> phosphor need not and does not get hot in order to do its job.  It
> simply takes one form of energy and converts it into another.  As a
> result it is much more efficient; much less of the energy is lost as
> heat, so much more is available to be emitted as light.

Now, if we could only get fluroescent lighting that doesn't absolutely
obliterate radio reception in the MF and HF range ...  8^{)


 +------------------- \-\-\-\ ----------------------------+
 | Bob Schreibmaier K3PH | E-mail: k3ph@dxis.monroe.pa.us |
 | Kresgeville, PA 18333 | ICBM:   40o55'N 75o30'W        |
 +--------------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

From: rbf@rbfnet.com (Brett Frankenberger)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: 19 Nov 1999 02:42:08 GMT
Organization: rbfnet


In article <telecom19.560.11@telecom-digest.org>, Darryl Smith
<vk2tds@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> That is a horror senario for the next few months ... what if a few
> lines trip out leaving different parts of the grid self-synchronising,
> unconneted to each other?

At least in the US, this isn't all that uncommon.  A few years ago, we
had a couple of cascading events in the western grid, both resulting in
the grid splitting into two or more isolated sections.  They got them
back in sync and reconnected them.  (The loss of sync didn't cause the
islanding.  Other failues did, and then the preprogrammed protections
let to the islanding.)


       -- Brett

------------------------------

From: mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Organization: Kithrup Enterprises, Ltd.
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:01:07 GMT


In article <telecom19.554.5@telecom-digest.org>, <ranck@joesbar.cc.
vt.edu> wrote:

> I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong on this.  High-tension lines,
> at least in the USofA are almost exclusively AC.  I think there are
> some DC testbed lines set up, but not to any great extent.

In http://nepa.eh.doe.gov/eis/eis0145/eis0145_1.html we see:

  In April 1988, BPA published the Intertie Development and Use (IDU)
  eis.  This eis studied the environmental and economic effects of the
  use of the Intertie, including the Third AC Intertie.  AC Intertie
  capacity after addition of the Third AC is expected to be
  approximately 4,800 megawatts (MW).  Including the Third AC, total
  Federal and non-Federal Intertie capacity will be approximately 7,900
  MW -- 4,800 MW on the two AC lines and 3,100 MW on the DC lines.
  BPA's September 1988 Record of Decision explained the decision to
  proceed with the Third AC construction project.  At that time, BPA's
  decision on requests for non-Federal ownership access to the added
  capacity was deferred to the NFP eis process.

DC accounts for about half of the Intertie capacity.  If you wonder
who BPA is, they are the people that light California.  In
http://www.abb.se/pow/l114.htm, we can read even more of the
background and developement.

I love the web, I love altavista; the sum knowledge of man at my
finger tips.

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TELECOM Digest     Fri, 19 Nov 99 17:16:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 564

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    A Cryptographer's (No Longer) Secret FBI File (E. Cummings)
    Re: Warning: AT&T Bait and Switch With One-Rate Online Plan (msnina)
    Fraud Alert !-- I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom, (Joseph Gadoury)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave (Daryl R. Gibson)
    Mixing Fiber Types (SM/MM) (BobnRo)
    Re: Seeking Traffic Formula (Julian Thomas)
    Re: Seeking Traffic Formula (Michael Hartley)
    Calling 888 Numbers From Outside the US (Richard D.G. Cox)
    Re: Calling Card Without Payphone Surcharge! (Jim Weiss)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Julian Thomas)
    MD110 Digital Handset Simulation (David Clayton)
    Re: Definitions (Nathan)
    Re: Definitions (The Breeze)
    Re: Definitions (John M. Wendt)
    Re: Definitions (Brian Vita)

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:43:38 -0500
From: E. Cummings <bernies@netaxs.com>
Subject: A Cryptographer's (No Longer) Secret FBI File


Hi Pat.  Pretty spooky stuff here. Have you checked *your* FBI file
yet?


-ed

  Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:00:04 -0500
  To: politech@vorlon.mit.edu
  From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
  Subject: FC: A cryptographer's (no longer) secret FBI file
  Sender: owner-politech@vorlon.mit.edu
  Reply-To: declan@well.com

[I've known William for a number of years. He's a longtime privacy
proponent and has been participating in IETF crypto-related working groups
since the early 1990s. Recently he has been active in opposing wiretapping.
I'm told OADR (keep reading) means Originating Agency Determination
Required. --DBM]

*******

  Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:37:46 -0500
  From: William Allen Simpson <wsimpson@greendragon.com>
  To: raven@ietf.org
  Cc: ietf-ppp@merit.edu, ipsec@lists.tislabs.com
  Subject: [Raven] FBI secret police

[snip for clarity-DBM]

Wonder of wonders, I just received a portion of my FBI Freedom of
Information records yesterday.  Apparently, their very existance was
classified "SECRET", by "G-3", and was supposed to be "declassified on:
OADR".  Any idea what that means?

However, most of the contents were still classified secret again by
60267NLS/BCE/JMS for reason 1.5(C), on May 25, 1999, to be declassified
on "X.1".  So, virtually the entire documents are blacked out, labeled
"b1".  The included handy reference guide lists "(b)(1)" as:

   "(A) specifically authorized under criteria established by an
   Executive order to be kept secret in the interest of national defense
   or foreign policy  and (B) are in fact properly classified pursuant
   to such Executive order"

These records are from 1991, 1992, and 1993.  The "predication for this
investigation" is secret.  The "Basis of the Investigation" is secret.
The "Objectives of the Investigation" are secret.  The "Status of the
Investigation" is secret.

Other smaller sections are blacked out with labels (b)(2):

   "related solely to the internal personnel rules and practices of
   the agency"

and (b)(7)(D):

   "could reasonably be expected to disclose the identity of a
   confidential source, including a State, local, or foreign agent or
   authority or any private institution which furnished information on
   a confidential basis, and, in the case of records or information
   compiled by a criminal law enforcement agency in the course of a
   criminal investigation, or by an agency conducting a lawful national
   security intelligence investigation, information furnished by
   confidential source"

It is particularly amusing that the latter is used to black out
records of contact with my own parents (who refused to talk with them),
copies of email that I sent, and my vehicle title (where I have the
original copy).  Somebody had a very heavy hand in the censorship.

(Also amusing, the FBI was still using all cap teletype in '92 :-)

What is less amusing is that the FBI spent over a year going to each
place that I had email access and tried to convince them to revoke
my access.  They were successful in (at least) two places.

They interviewed at least 11 people out of their Albuquerque, Boston,
Detroit, Minneapolis and San Francisco offices.

Apparently, they investigated my IETF activities at Santa Fe, San Diego,
Boston and Washington DC.  They quote the Santa Fe and San Diego
proceedings.  They direct agents to IETF meetings, "to ascertain if
subject came to any notice at the PPPWG meetings."  They make specific
reference to CHAP and DES.

Various clear sentence fragments indicate a concern that the PPPWG
meeting was taking place sponsored by Los Alamos, and that "these
meetings attract interested persons worldwide."  Another fragment
indicates a concern that my PPP software was distributed by servers
at White Sands Missile Base and mirrored at various universities.

The most legible interview, still mostly blacked out, gives a hint as
to the questions that were being raised:

   <black>

   "<black> stated that he believes the PPP is legal technology.  However,
   if the government is attempting to restrict the dissemination of
   authentication protocols, he believes it is too late.  It is like
   locking the barn after the horse has escaped (per <black>).

   <black>

   "In summary, <black> does not believe Simpson has engaged in breaking
   United States export laws regarding the export of cryptographic
   devices or is interested in violating such laws at the behest of a
   foreign power."

The name blacked out appears to occupy 3 letters.  My thanks to Karl Fox
or Craig Fox!

The instigator of the investigation appears to have a surname of 4 or
maybe 5 letters.  Thus, it is probably not "Atkinson".  Perhaps it's
the former IAB member that required the removal of the PPP LCP
encryption option, refused to publish CHAP, and refused to grant the
IPSec charter....  When the NomCom replaced the IAB, he was first
against the wall.

   "Sources whose identities are concealed herein have furnished
   reliable information in the past except when otherwise noted."

Gentlefolk, we have a stool pigeon in the roost, whose interests are
contrary to the interests of the IETF and the Internet as a whole.  It
is a male.  And he is regularly reporting IETF member activities for
secret investigation.  Beware.

WSimpson@UMich.edu
     Key fingerprint =  17 40 5E 67 15 6F 31 26  DD 0D B9 9B 6A 15 2C 32

------------------------------

From: msnina@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Warning: AT&T Bait and Switch With One-Rate Online Plan
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:36:03 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


In article <telecom19.509.6@telecom-digest.org>, Mike Fox
<mikefox@attglobal.net> wrote:

> AT&T's One-Rate Online plan promises ten cents a minute with no
> monthly fee (except for the Gore taxes of course), and it specifically
> includes in-state North Carolina Long Distance at 10 cents a minute.
> At least on the day of this writing, you can see that at
http://www.catalog.att.com/cmd/prodfaqs/index.html#eoffer4:

> However, I just got my first bill and guess what, I was charged 12
> cents a minute for in-state NC long distance.  When I called to
> complain, I was politely told that the rate for NC had gone up to 12
> cents in mid-September.  But the web-page excerpt I have included
> above is from October 26!  And yes, I did sign up for the plan in late
> September, which means that at the time I signed up, AT&T's own web
> page was promising a rate they don't deliver!  I would never have
> bothered to sign up for AT&T if their rates had been honestly posted,

How's this one: I signed up for the AT&T One Rate International Plan.
Twice now, since 1998, the rate to the country I call has gone up
significantly.  When I called they said the "promotion" had ended.  Of
course, there was never any mention of a promotion when I signed up, and
after specifically asking if the new rate were a promotion (and being
told "no") they just now gave me that same excuse for raising my rate
again. If I don't get a full credit -- back to the original rate -- I am
filing a complaint.  I hope you do too.


Nina

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:48:45 GMT
From: jgad@pacbell.net (Joseph Gadoury )
Subject: Fraud Alert !-- I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom,
Organization: SBC Internet Services


FRAUD ALERT! I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom, Buyers united 
Phone Long Distance SCAM!!

Q: How long would it take for AT&T or MCI to cancel their services 
     if you would not pay their bills? 

A: At the most 3 months. (a fair estimate) 
  
Imagine! I have not paid I-Link Worldwide "NASDAQ: ILNK" invoices for
the past 2 1/2 years and as of August, 1999 I'm still being charge Long
distance phone calls that not only I have never made but my long
distance provider has been MCI and AT&T for the past 2 1/2 years.
  
Wait! Wait! it gets worst. 

The phone number they are billing me from is a number that was never
register by me or my wife at any addresses I ever lived. "I have a
letter sign by Pacific Bell to acknowledge that fact." 

For all details see the link below: 

http://www.scsioutlet.com

I have found several people who has experience the same with these
company, If you or anybody you know has had the same experience PLEASE
EMAIL ME jgad@pacbell.net

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:41:39 PST
From: Daryl R. Gibson <daryl_gibson@yahoo.com>
Reply-To: drgibson@drgibson.com
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave


I appreciate all the replies I've gotten on my question. In
particular, Arthur reminded me that the traffic on the microwave
circuits are now digital, and I wouldn't be able to hear any
difference. If I thought about it, I would have realized that. Dan
Rosenzweig kindly sent me a phone number for Jim Mullins, the AT&T
foreman over western states tower maintenance. I called him (he had
already been forwarded the message) and spoke with him for a few
minutes. He noted that he had spoken with his man in Arizona about the
tower. He also told me that only about 20 percent of the capacity of
the microwave towers is still in use, with most of the AT&T traffic
having gone to fiber, and that AT&T's microwave towers (at least the
ones I wrote about) are in the process of being sold to American
Tower. 

American, as you no doubt know, is buying up a large percentage of the
cell towers in the U.S. They combine multiple carriers' antennas onto
one antenna mast. Apparently, they are doing this with microwave
transmission towers as well.

Thanks to all.


 "As you ramble through life, brother, no matter what your goal,
 keep your eye upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole"
            --Dr. Murray Banks, quoting a menu


Daryl R. Gibson, MCSE  (801)489-6348, (702)734-6153

------------------------------

From: BobnRo <bobnro@home.com>
Subject: Mixing Fiber Types (SM/MM)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:49:02 GMT
Organization: @Home Network


Hi,

I have a PBX with remote peripherals connected via OC-1's.

The installer put in single-mode fiber from the OC-1 to the fiber
patch panel.  However, the fiber between the buildings is multi-mode.
Then at the far end, between the fiber patch panel and the remote
peripheral it is single-mode again.

Things _seem_ to be working o.k., but we do see intermittent errors at
the DS-1 level.

Is it possible the errors could be due to the mix of fiber types?

Is their any source (documentation) I can find that would state
whether or not it is generally "o.k." to operate like this?

The system's documentation does not address it.


 ..... RJ

------------------------------

From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Re: Seeking Traffic Formula
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:46:59 GMT


In <telecom19.561.4@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/18/99 at 09:59 AM, Stan
Ryther <ryther.stan@hcds.com> said:

> While attending a recent Conference on Telephone Triage, Call Centers and
> Telemedicine one of the Participante mentioned something about a formula
> that was developed for staffing switchboards during the early history of
> the telephone. This formula had the mathematician's name attached, and
> supposedly was a calculus formula, but I cannot remember the name or the
> exact time period for this.

Probably A K Erlang.  For more information, check out a good reference
on telephone traffic theory.
 

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 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
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------------------------------

From: Michael Hartley <Michael.Hartley@one2one.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Seeking Traffic Formula
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 11:19:10 -0000


> While attending a recent Conference on Telephone Triage, Call Centers
> and Telemedicine one of the Participante mentioned something about a
> formula that was developed for staffing switchboards during the early
> history of the telephone. This formula had the mathematician's name
> attached, and supposedly was a calculus formula, but I cannot remember
> the name or the exact time period for this. 

Erlang ... put Edison to shame. Father of traffic theory. <tongue in
cheek>My hero.</tongue in cheek>

Erlang-C is the formula you need. Check a textbook for details, but for
example you'll be able to calculate number of operator positions given
arrival rate and service time. I have a useful Erlang calculator tool which
runs under Excel but sadly it's copyrighted. I got it as part of the course
material at a Frost & Sullivan training course some time ago. 

contact details for the author are: Tel: 1-604-596-9744 // Fax:
1-604-597-8994 // Internet: rparkins@infotel-systems.com 

Usual disclaimer -- I was just a satisfied customer of the course.

I know I have code for Erlang formulae *somewhere* but we're moving
offices today and it's in the depths of one of many boxes :+( I'll try
to dig it out and post it sometime next week.


Regards,

Mike

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:01 GMT
From: Richard@office.mandarin.com (Richard D.G. Cox)
Subject: Calling 888 Numbers From Outside the US
Reply-To: Richard@office.numbering.com
Organization: Mandarin Technology


Someone mailed me about a "Low cost merchant account for your business"
but as the country I'm currently in cannot dial +1-888 numbers directly,
I wondered whether any of your readers would like to check out whether
there is anything available at 1-888-821-4576 that is worth following up?

I'm told that that number should work from most payphones in the USA, so
it would be really good to check that it CAN be dialed from as many of
them as possible, just in case some COCOT operators have had it barred.
I suppose you could even add it to your legendary Business Directory!


Richard Cox

------------------------------

From: NBJimWeiss@aol.com (Jim Weiss)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:24:03 EST
Subject: Re: Calling Card Without Payphone Surcharge!


In a message dated 11/19/1999 2:19:26 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
Frank Prindle <prindle@voicenet.com> wrote:

> I just found out that my ISP is now offering a calling card (VOIP) @
> .09/min billed to a credit card http://www.voicenet.com/universal.html
> and the unusual thing is they claim there is no payphone surcharge
> even though access to their network is via an 800 number. I wonder how
> they are getting around the payphone surcharge. >>

You'll probably find that they have a bong charge -- or a fixed fee
per connection/call.  In other words, they advertise no "payphone
surcharge" and just collect a lesser fee per EVERY CALL -- payphone or
not -- to compensate for not have a "payphone surcharge."


Jim Weiss
Network Brokers, Inc.
"Providing Long Distance Services for Less"
nbjimweiss@aol.com
305-252-1822; fax: 603-250-0817

------------------------------

From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 17:34:47 GMT


In <telecom19.560.6@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/18/99 at 09:26 AM,
Joseph S. Sperrazza <usenetspamtrap@mindspring.com> said:

> pollresult.co.uk does not appear to be a valid domain, according to
> http://samspade.org/t/ - perhaps it has already been disabled due to
> complaints?

[C:\tcpip]traceroute www.pollresults.co.uk
traceroute to www.pollresults.co.uk (195.182.179.202), 30 hops max, 40
byte pack ets
 1  itha-125terminal01.epix.net ()  160 ms  150 ms  140 ms
 2  itha-125.epix.net ()  170 ms  160 ms  150 ms
 3  bngh01-2b.epix.net ()  150 ms  160 ms  160 ms
 4  clsm02-7b.epix.net ()  170 ms  160 ms  160 ms
 5  svcr04-2.epix.net ()  160 ms  170 ms  150 ms
 6  router05.epix.net ()  150 ms  150 ms  160 ms
 7  cpbg01-7.epix.net ()  170 ms  150 ms  160 ms
 8  Serial1-1-0.GW1.PHL1.ALTER.NET ()  160 ms  160 ms  160 ms
 9  161.ATM4-0.XR2.DCA1.ALTER.NET ()  160 ms  250 ms  150 ms
10  294.ATM7-0.XR2.TCO1.ALTER.NET ()  170 ms  170 ms  170 ms
11  192.ATM9-0-0.GW3.TCO1.ALTER.NET ()  170 ms  190 ms  160 ms 12 
ntli-gw.customer.ALTER.NET ()  180 ms  180 ms  190 ms 13 
linx-gw1-lon-ATM1-0.router.cableol.net ()  250 ms  260 ms  250 ms 14 
194.168.23.110 ()  280 ms  270 ms  460 ms
15  rebecca9-3.dccl.net ()  480 ms  260 ms  250 ms
16  ntl-midlands-webone.dccl.net ()  260 ms  260 ms  270 ms
17  ntl-midlands-webfusion2.dccl.net ()  270 ms  270 ms  280 ms 18 
www.webstart.co.uk ()  260 ms  270 ms  270 ms

Sam Spade finds it also - WEBSTART
 
In <telecom19.560.7@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/18/99 at 05:27 PM, Ray
Normandeau <fraznor@my-deja.com> said:

> In searching for info on faxer do searches on "past" posting on Deja.

Using the 800 number (with the -'s)

http://x37.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=514084527&CONTEXT=943033330.17301685&hitnum=2
 

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 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 To a cat, "NO!" means "Not while I'm looking."

------------------------------

From: David Clayton <dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au>
Subject: MD110 Digital Handset Simulation
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:28:59 +1100
Organization: Customer of Connect.com.au Pty. Ltd.
Reply-To: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au


Does anyone out there know of a product that can emulate an Ericsson
MD110 Digital Handset?

I know of products that simulate Nortel, Lucent etc. (Voicebridge) but
I'm not aware of anything that does the Ericsson.


Regards,

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@acslink.aone.net.au
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.

Dilbert's words of wisdom #18: Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience.

------------------------------

From: Nathan <wierdo@mtlaw.nwark.com>
Subject: Re: Definitions
Organization: bCandid - Powering the world's discussions - http://bCandid.com
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:30:37 -0600


Atri Indiresan wrote:

> In TELECOM Digest V19 #558,

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
>> Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
>> detectors' doesn't it. If so, do we have a detecting device which
>> detects radio detectors? Sort of a double spy as in spy-vs-spy, Mad
>> Magazine style? That might be a good way to describe it; we are
>> using a radio to spy and find out if someone nearby is using a radio
>> to spy on us. Maybe someone could develop an 'anti-TEMPEST' detector
>> to tell us if someone nearby was using that method of spying, by
>> looking for the radiation *it* was emitting.

> AFAIK, a radar detector is a passive device, and hence does not emit
> any meaningful radiation to do its task. The radar is the radiating
> device that is detected. However, since the radar detector is placed
> on the car's dashboard, it is quite visible to any police car that
> might happen to drive by. More sophisticated radar detectors are used
> by the military. Every so often, I read of US aircraft firing at
> ground targets in Iraq becuase they detected radar locking on them,
> persumably from anti-aircraft weapons.

The VG-2 radar detector detector works by listening for the
characteristic emissions given off by the "super-hetrodyne" amplifier
(I think that's what it does).  Before super-hetrodyne, radar
detectors didn't have much range; they were like the laser detection
is today.  The radar detector manufacturers then put these amplifier
circuits in lots of radar detectors, and when they did, they found a
funny thing happened.  The radar detector would detect other radar
detectors!  The birth of the VG-2 concept is nigh.

The makers of the radar detectors obviously didn't want radar
detectors going off all the time because of other people's radar
detectors, so they put in filters to remove the noise made by the
radar detector.  Some ingenious fellow decided police would probably
like to know when radar detectors are being used, so he made one that
listened only for the emissions of the super-hetrodyne circuit in
radar detectors and filtered out everything else.  Voila, we now can
listen for radar detectors.

Now people are getting their radar detectors taken away in Virginia,
even though they're throwing them under the passenger seat when they
get stopped.  The dark days are upon us.  Rejoice, for the
ever-innovative radar detector crowd has thought up wondrous things!
They made the radar detector listen for the super-hetrodyne circuit in
the VG-2, and turn itself off for ten seconds after hearing one.

Now that the radar detector is listening (or watching, in the case of
laser) for so many things, they've also added things like listening
for traffic information signals (the name escapes me right now) that
some jurisdictions use in areas where there's been an accident or some
other reason that drivers need to be on the alert.

Thanks to the police, my radar detector does a lot more than most did
not all that long ago.  It also keeps me from getting tickets because
I'm not paying attention to the road because I'm too busy chatting on
my cellphone to concern myself with driving! (I'm just joking, and
making this relate to telecom.)

My description and spelling of "super-hetrodyne" may be off somewhat.
I know it generally does what I said it does.  It may not actually be
an amplifier.  The description comes partly from Whistler, whose
documentation for one of their products induced me to do further
research a while back.


-Nathan

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:02:02 -0500
From: The Breeze <"the_breeze_x "@hotmail.com.NOSPAM>
Organization: Delphi Automotive - Delco Electronics Systems
Subject: Re: Definitions


Most radar detectors for automotive use are "super heterodyne." This
means that they are not merely passive receivers of that frequency of
radio waves. The antenna has a certain amount of controlled radar
signal in it. When incoming [police] radar disturbs this signal the
detector emits a warning. "Super-het" is more sensitive than a passive
receiver. This is the small amount of radar signal that can be
detected by detector-detectors. The real sloppy radar detectors can
set off other radar detectors. Immunity to this "falsing" is a
competitive advantage ... check out some ads or the (yearly?) radar
detector review in "Car and Driver" magazine.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:33:12 -0500
From: John M. Wendt <john.m.wendt@delphiauto.com>
Organization: Delphi Automotive - Delco Electronics Systems
Subject: Re: Definitions


Joey Lindstrom wrote:

> Sorta reminds me of that Dilbert strip, where Dilbert invites
> Wally to join his "T.T.P." Project ... and we find out that that
> acronym stands for "The T.T.P. Project".  

Then of course there's GNU: "GNU's Not Unix"

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The answer to your query about LASER
> is (L)ight (A)mplification by (S)timulated (E)mission of (R)adiation.

After MASER: M(icrowave)ASER

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:36:11 -0500
From: Brian Vita <brian_vita@cssinc.com>
Subject: Re: Definitions


At 11:01 PM 11/17/99 -0500, you wrote:

> Since you dared me to give you another acronym, here goes. It is
> not a radio term.

As long as we're playing this game, how about SPRINT and MCI?


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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Those two are both very easy! MCI means
Microwave Communications, Inc. which is how that company originally
transmitted calls. Its recently merged partner got named by its first
owner: (S)outhern (P)acific (R)ailroad (I)nternal (N)etwork (T)elecom-
munications Department. So why does ITT, which means International
Telephone and Telegraph have nothing to do with telecommunications and
operate bakeries for bread?   PAT]

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    Re: Fluorescent Lighting (Rob Levandowski)
    Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN (Danny Burstein)
    Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Urban Legend) (J.F. Mezei)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Robert Berntsen)
    Re: Urban Legend Alert (Robert Berntsen)
    Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP<) (R Berntsen)
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From: robl@macwhiz.com (Rob Levandowski)
Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting
Organization: MacWhiz Technologies
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 10:43:09 -0500


In article <telecom19.559.6@telecom-digest.org>, Ed Ellers
<ed_ellers@email.msn.com> wrote:

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What about the type of flourescent
> tube commonly called 'grow lamps'? At someone's house the other day,
> here in Junction City, I saw a large a couple of very large pot(ted)
> plants growing in the basement of their home. A light on a stand 
> next to the plants was sort of a ultra-violet color. These folks also
> had a couple of flourescent tubes which where totally black, but when
> turned on in the (otherwise) darkness produced a kind of strange
> effect on things. 

To answer this, it's best to explain how fluorescent lamps work.

They're filled with gas, and when turned on, an arc of electrical
current runs through the gas along the length of the tube.  The
current excites the gas, causing it to give off ultraviolet light.  If
you had a fluorescent lamp tube made with clear glass, it would give
off UV light -- possibly to the detriment of your body, depending on
the nature of the UV light.

To convert this to useful light, the glass is coated with a phosphor.
When ultraviolet light strikes the phosphor, it gives off visible
light.  The nature of the phosphor controls the wavelengths of light
that are given off.

The most common fluorescent lamps are "cool white," meaning that the
phosphor gives off light with a high blue component.  By comparison,
incandescent lights tend to give off light with a higher red
component.  It is possible to get flourescent lamps with a "warm
white" phosphor which more closely matches incandescent lights, but
they're not as easy to find.  Humans seem to prefer the "warm" reddish
glow of incandescent lights and "warm white" phosphor.

> Last couple of questions:  Regarding incadescent lighting, do two
> smaller bulbs of (let's say) 25 watts each produce the same amount of
> light throughout the area as one bulb of 50 watts? In addition, I

The wattage of the bulb is a measure of how much power the bulb
requires to operate.  The amount of light given off by the bulb as a
result of that operation is measured in "lumens."

Generally, a single light bulb rated at X watts will give off more
lumens of light than two light bulbs each rated at X/2 watts.  The
single bulb is more efficient.  Therefore, if you have a choice
between using a one-bulb or two-bulb fixture, it makes sense to go
with the one-bulb fixture, because one large bulb will cost you less
to operate for the same amount of light -- or, alternatively, one
large bulb will give you more light for the same operating cost as two
bulbs.

Quoting from page 9 of "Wiring Simplified: 38th Ed.," by Richter and
Schwan:

"Three 60-watt lamps (total 180 watts) give 10% more light than five
40-watt lamps (total 200 watts).  One 150-watt lamp gives twice as
much light as five 25-watt lamps (125 watts).  One 100-watt lamp gives
15% more light than three 40-watt lamps (120 watts)."

> once knew a man whose job it was to change burned out lightbulbs. 
> Some of the bulbs were in difficult to reach areas, that is, they
> required a stepladder, or scaffolding, etc. He said to avoid having
> to change the bulbs as often, he used bulbs at two or three times
> the amount of wattage desired, but half the voltage. That is, 
> instead of a 100 watt bulb designed for 120 volts, he would use
> a 300 watt bulb designed for 240 volts (on a 120 line). It seemed
> to me as though the room was just as bright, but obviously the
> bulb was only getting 'half as much use' as a normal bulb, therefore
> it would not burn out for years at a time, he claimed. What about

Yes, using a bulb designed for a higher voltage will increase the life
 ... but it will also decrease the light output.

The "long life" bulbs sold in stores are usually rated for 135 to 140
volts.  They last four to eight times longer when run at 120 volts
than bulbs rated for that voltage specifically.  However, they put out
20% to 30% fewer lumens per watt.  So, if you increase the wattage to
compensate for the drop in light output, you end up spending 25% to
35% more in energy costs to get the same light.  There Ain't No Such
Thing As A Free Lunch -- if you don't want to climb that ladder,
you'll have to pay the power company for the convenience.

Halogen bulbs last much longer than standard incandescent bulbs.
They're designed for the normal line voltage.  With normal bulbs, the
filament inside the bulb boils off over time.  It deposits on the
glass of the bulb, making the bulb dim as it ages.  Eventually, the
filament gets so thin that it blows.

With Halogen bulbs, the halogen gas causes much of the vaporized
filament to re-deposit onto the filament.  This causes the bulb to
last much longer, because the erosion of the filament is slowed down.

I personally recommend the "retrofittable" halogen bulbs from Sylvania
and Philips to people who want to change bulbs less often.  I've found
that they generally last at least a year in normal use, and they give
a brighter light than normal bulbs.  They're about three times the
cost of a normal bulb, but they're worth it in the long run.  Just be
careful about using them in fixtures which build up heat -- they do
run much hotter than standard bulbs.


Rob Levandowski
robl@macwhiz.com

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From: dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein)
Subject: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN LEGEND ALERT!)
Date: 19 Nov 1999 02:26:23 -0500


In <telecom19.562.11@telecom-digest.org> k3ph@dxis.monroe.pa.us (Bob
Schreibmaier) writes:

> Now, if we could only get fluroescent lighting that doesn't absolutely
> obliterate radio reception in the MF and HF range ...  8^{)

Well known problem since flourescents are gas discharge (similar to
mercury vapo[u]r lamps) with the arc getting struck 120 times/sec (in
the US) and lots and lots of nasty harmonics striking a large metal
reflector.

You can replace your old ballast with a high-frequency one (which will
also be a bit more efficient, thus saving you power)[1]. Also you can
do better grounding of the case. And there are some tricks you can
attempt with various capacitors (but be super careful).

Alternatively, you can always operate the lamps off Direct Current.
Yes, there are, indeed, flourescent DC fixtures. Look for a junked
1960s era NYC subway car. (Note that many recent "DC" units actually
convert the current to AC before feeding it to the lamp.)

[1] Flourescent lamps require use of a ballast to regulate the
current. Traditionally these have been small but heavy magnetic coil-
type things attached to the fixture. They add about 15% to the rated
lamp power. Hence a standard twin-40 watt flourescent fixture actually
uses about 95 watts.  That extra wattage is wasted as heat.

For the past ten or so years, "high frequency" ballasts have been
readily available. They're smaller, lighter, and claim to be more
efficient. Oh, they're also more expensive and historically were more
prone to failure.

Ob telecom: as others have mentioned, the most common flourescent lamp
is the "cool white" version, priced at roughly $1 for a four foot
tube.  Although people have grown accustomed to this, the colo[u]r
rendition is horrendous. This is definitely noticable when trying to
color match the wires in a standard 25 pair bundle.

A very useful worktool to bring to the jobsite is a small and high
intensity incandescent, or better today, tungsten-halogen lamp. The
brighter and "better" light makes color matching much, much, easier.


Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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From: J.F. Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>
Subject: Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Urban Legend)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 02:18:44 -0500


L. Winson wrote:

> The disadvantage is that flourescent fixtures require a ballast and
> are larger than incandescent fixtures and thus cost more.  But for
> office and industrial lighting, they are far more efficient.

To add to this, in many office buildings, the fluorescent lighting
fixtures actually run at 347 volts (something to do with 3 phase power
lines I am told).  This higher voltage to the fixtures allows the
buildings to be built with much of the wiring of lesser gauge, hence
big cost savings.

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From: Robert Berntsen <rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no>
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 12:46:11 +0100


>>>   I think this is an urban legend.  Try running a Deja search on "farmer
>>> power line".  Since there appears to be an alternate version circulating
>>> involving a 50kW broadcast transmitter and a bunch of 100W lightbulbs,
>>> methinks they're BOTH horsepoo.

>> This story is false on its face.  "High-tension lines" are DC which is

> Not True. Wherever did you get that idea ?

>> not amenable to "stealing" power with a coil.  There is no 60 Hz
>> signal on high voltage lines and normal transmission lines that ARE 60
>> hz are of too low a potential to make this sort of thing possible.

Trying to resolve part of this debate:

If you convey electrical power over long distance you have to have
high voltage in order to get low current (Power = voltage * current)
in order to minimize the resistance loss. Hence you can use thinner
power lines.  However, higher voltage increases the capacitive loss at
a given capacitance. Capacitance can be lowered by separating the
lines at longer distance, however increasing with distance. If you
look at a high voltage transmission line and there are three lines, it
is for sure AC, 3 phases. A DC line would be 2 lines. You do not need
ground. On a 3 phase AC line every many miles the order is changed so
the mid line would shift to one of the outer positions in order to
keep the capacitance evenly between the 3 lines.

Now if you try to use an ocean cable for power transmission, you can
not separate the lines with a long distance and the capacitive loss
would be very high. So an AC-DC-AC conversion would be attractive. You
still need high voltage to minimize the resistance loss.

All in all, if you make a calculation, taking into account cost for
AC-DC-AC conversion, distance, cost of copper at different thickness,
cost of masts with varying distance between lines, cost of mast with 3
versus 2 lines, number of points to convert back to "normal",
maintenance and so on ... the power line constructors would possible
end up with a DC transmission in some cases.

About the stealing of power, I do believe that the "air gap transformer"
would be very inefficient and would need a very big "antenna" to pick
up a reasonable amount of energy. Probably the capacitive loss in the
power lines would be much bigger, even for the small part of the power
line that would be effected by this "antenna". And the "antenna"
should be quite close to the lines. If anybody would care to spend the
needed time, it would be quite easy to do the calculations.


Regards,

R.

------------------------------

From: Robert Berntsen <rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no>
Subject: Re: Urban Legend Alert
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:54:32 +0100


evans_the_swim@tesco.net wrote in message ...

> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:22 EST, Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) wrote:

>>> A fairly recent magazine article describes how one enterprising
>>> amateur radio operator keeps his HT battery charged up by rectifying
>>> RF from a nearby AM radio station.

Just a simple thought:

If the transmitter has an RF output of 100 kW, and transmits this to a
half sphere, it will yield approx 0.2 W pr. square meter at a distance
of 300 meters. So it can be done if you have a fairly efficient
antenna, big enough, and are sufficiently close to the transmitting
antenna.

However, using a solar cell, would be a much easier and probably a
much cheaper way of charging the battery.

I think, however, such stories are quit amusing, and that is the most
important part or ...


Regards,

R.

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From: Robert Berntsen <rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no>
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:14:55 +0100


Danny Burstein wrote in message:

> The power grid is a multi-tiered arrangement. Typical residential/
> light industrial electricity is 60 hz ac, with wall voltage of 110v
> for common usage, (and a typical) 220 for high demand loads such as

Just a small note:

As far as I know, you can not find 110 volts nominal anywhere in the
world.  North-America has nominal 120 volt single phase/ 208 v (120 x
sqroot of 3) 3-phase distribution, but also 240 volt single-phase with
mid-tap earth (2 x 120 v) some places. "110 v" comes from where? My
guess is that when distributing 120 v, the voltage falls with distance
from transformer and therefore much equipment is designed for operating
between 90 and 130, mid-point at 110.

Incidentally, 220 v is also a rare voltage. Most of Europe is at 230
volt 50 Hz, UK has 240 v /50 Hz (nominally).

> Some _very_ unpleasant things happen when generators fall out of synch
> with each other, and hence there's been a big desire to move away from
> alternating current.

Generators do not fall out of sync. But a power distribution system
can be unstable. That happened when the East Coast of US was blacked
out (creating a birth boom nine months later). Keeping a large power
system stable is a nontrivial task, that kept cybernetics busy for
some time.

Lower frequencies used for railway 50/3= 16.7 Hz in part of the world,
possible 25 Hz(?) in the US, is in order to keep losses low. Inductive
losses in locomotive electric motors, and capacitive currents in the
distribution. High capacitive current, in itself not creating disipation, 
causes an additional resistive loss through the power lines and causes
problems for the power plant adjusting the phase angle between voltage
and current.


Regards,

R.

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From: Michael G. Koerner <mgk920@dataex.com>
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:07:16 -0600
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
Reply-To: mgk920@dataex.com


L. Winson wrote:

>> (Note that in the following I'm talking about the common power
>> arrangements in the US. Specialized industrial or rapid transit
>> settings may be set up differently. 25 hz anyone?)

> The commuter rail networks of Philadelphia, part of New Jersey, and
> Amtrak's NYC-Washington line are powered by 11,000 volt 25 Hz lines.
> This was the best power available when the first trains were
> electrified back in 1915 and has been maintained since.  Some segments
> elsewhere have been modernized with 60 Hz, which eliminates the need
> for cumbersome frequency converters.

> Today's electric trains can be modified to use various currents, but
> most units require a shop modification, and only some can change power
> on the fly while in service.

> Originally, the older trains, all retired now, had different motors
> that required 25 Hz.  In the 1950s-1960s, rectifiers became small
> enough that the trains began to rectify the AC current to supply 600
> volt DC traction motors.  (Diesel freight locomotives actually use the
> diesel engine to generate electricity on board to drive motors.)
> Railroads are moving from 600 volt DC traction motors to high-tech
> 3-phase AC motors controlled by sophisticated control systems.  (I
> don't understand the new stuff, but supposedly the newest AC systems
> have more rugged motors and are more energy efficient.)

AC traction motors in freight railroad locomotives have proven to be
essentially INDESTRUCTABLE in regular heavy service.  To the best of my
knowledge, North American railroads have yet to 'cook' an AC traction
motor.  They are extremely simple in design, the ONLY moving part is the
rotor between the main bearings, NO brushes or other wear parts other
than the bearings.

There was an incident on 05-May-1998 where a 108 car loaded coal train
was dispatched by Union Pacific with one less General Electric built
'AC4400CW' (about 3.5 megawatts of rated engine power) locomotive than
usual (the unit was down, likely due to mechanical problems with the
engine).

With their four instead of the normal five units (two in the front,
the other two 3/4 of the way back), they started up a 2+% grade in
Tonopas Canyon (near Phippsburg, CO).  The train slowed to about 0.35
km/h and grinded along up the grade at about 9 cm/second for quite
some time BUT DID NOT STALL.  In the end, the train's trip (and its
incredible display of the capabilities of AC traction equipment) ended
when a coupler knuckle on the lead coal hopper failed.  NONE of the
four units' 24 AC traction motors overheated.  Said UP's general
director, locomotive engineering and quality Mike Iden, "This
situation would have been IMPOSSIBLE with DC motors" (emphasis added).
('Trains' magazine, November 1998, p66/67.)


Regards,

Michael G. Koerner
Appleton, WI

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From: John Willkie <jmwillkie@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Detecting Radar Detectors
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 03:26:41 PST


As Atri Indiresan <atri@eecs.umich.edu> was quoted in TELECOM
Digest V19 #558,

> AFAIK, a radar detector is a passive device, and hence does not emit any 
> meaningful radiation to do its task. The radar is the radiating device that 
> is detected. However, since the radar
> detector is placed on the car's dashboard, it is quite visible to any 
> police car that might happen to drive by. More sophisticated radar 
> detectors are used by the military. Every so often, I read of US aircraft 
> firing at ground targets in Iraq becuase they detected radar locking on 
> them, persumably from anti-aircraft weapons.

AFAIK, every significant radio receiver in use above 100 Khz, since
about 1932, employs superhetrodyne techniques, or a technique derived
from superhetrodyne.  As first developed by Major Edwin H. Armstrong
during his days in Paris during World War I, superhetrodyne employs a
local oscillator of a fixed "intermediate frequency, (IF)" that
"beats" against a desired signal, and is algebraically combined with
the incoming signal.  The resulting output is the difference between
the two signals, and is of low enough frequency to be trivially
amplified and sent on to the audio amplifier and detector.

An oscillator, of course is an emitter of radio frequency radiation.
While not meaningful in any communications sense, it is significant
from a "signals intelligence" sense, and is characteristic of a
receiver.  Indeed, the allocation of FM and TV stations is limited to
protect receivers from the interference caused by the emission of
other nearby receivers. For FM, the IF is specified as 10.7 mhz, and
the protection is 53 and 54 channels (10.6 and 10.8 Mhz) above and
below each station.  For TV, the IF is specified as 45 Mhz, and the
protection (called IF taboos) is 7 channels above and below a
particular station.

For television, the protection for IF is the most restrictive in the
FCC's rules, aside from co-channel interference.  While manufacturers
are free to employ other IF frequencies, there would have to be a
clear market benefit, as these receivers would more than likely cause
(and receive) interference from other receivers.

It is a trivial matter to direct an antenna and half sensitive
receiver toward anoter receiver to detect the second receiver's IF.
It would have to be specially designed for the purpose, of course, but
would create repeatable results, and would have a wider capture angle
than an officer's eyes.

The "radar detectors" employed in military craft, of course, detect
the primary emissions of intentional radiators -- target or search
radars -- which are clearly more powerful than a receiver's oscillator.


John Willkie

P.S. Harry S Truman's middle name was S, which was short for "S", as clearly 
indicated by the moderator's note.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: That is correct. His 'middle name' was
merely the letter 'S', nothing else. There were some witty pundits who
wrote for the newspapers at the time who disliked him as much as
the man he replaced (FDR). They suggested the 'S' stood for a four-
letter word which began 'SH' and ended with 'T'. And when Harry would
read about himself in the newspapers, he would call up the newspaper
and give them hell. Thus the other common nickname for him, which was
Harry 'Give em hell' Truman. He'd let you know right where you stood
with him, no beating around the bush. His daughter Margaret was a
rather accomplished pianist who also sang with the Metropolitan Opera.

One day the music critic for the {New York Times} panned her perform-
ance and Harry was just furious. He called the newspaper, ranting and
raving, and ... just gave them hell. Newspapers all over the country
picked up on it of course; not the music critic's review of her work,
but the fact that Harry had made such a stink with the newspaper pub-
lisher, whom he called personally to register his displeasure in one
profane expression after another. The only other person occupying that
office who cussed as much as Harry was Lyndon Johnson, who it is said
after one outburst which went on for several minutes without him
repeating himself, 'that would have even put old Harry to shame.' PAT]  

------------------------------

From: Robert Berntsen <rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no>
Subject: Re: Echelon Developments
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:05:15 +0100


Monty Solomon wrote in message:

>    The US National Security Agency (NSA) has patented new
>    phone tapping technology that could revolutionise
>    surveillance of global telephone networks.
>
>    Patent number 5,937,422 describes the NSA technology as,
>-> jrussell

Do not believe everything you read.  This patent describes a text
sorting method.

All the words about possible sources of this text is just normal
patent phrasing not to be excluded by a later combi-patent (patents
that uses known technology in a new area).

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 09:07:01 -0500
From: TELECOM Digest Editor <editor@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Area 716 Telcos Ordered to Allocate Blocks of 1000 


Possible news item: In the 716 area the Public Service Commission has
ordered the telephone companies to start allocating telephone numbers
in blocks of 1000 instead of 10000.  That is because 45% of the
available numbers are not in use.  The full story is at:
http://www.RochesterNews.com/1119716.html

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TELECOM Digest     Sat, 20 Nov 99 06:05:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 565

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (Al Varney)
    Re: Country Code Question (Linc Madison)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Bill Levant)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Curtis R. Anderson)
    Re: 2 to 4 Wire Modem Converter (Matt Peterson)
    Transmission of TV Signals (J.F. Mezei)
    Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN) (Frank Prindle)
    Re: Fluorescent Lighting (Linc Madison)
    Re: Definitions (Kim Brennan)
    Re: Harry S Truman (Bill Levant)
    Re: Telemarketers and Voice Mail (Bill Levant)
    FCC Ruling Aids High-Speed Providers (Monty Solomon)
    Suit Says RealNetworks' Software is Real BigBrother (Monty Solomon)
    The Marker of a Criminal (Monty Solomon)

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From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:06:02 GMT
Organization: Lucent Technologies, Naperville, IL
Reply-To: varney@lucent.com


In article <telecom19.545.5@telecom-digest.org>, Linc Madison
<LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com> wrote:

> In article <telecom19.543.7@telecom-digest.org>, <kevina_toronto1@
> my-deja.com> wrote:

>> At the current rate the NANPA is using up area codes when will we run
>> out of area codes?  Do you think that we will move all codes to new
>> scheme ie (xxx)-xxxx-xxxx as I have seen at lincmad.com ?  Has anyone
>> done any research into the cost of changing all the systems in North
>> America (local, long distance, etc.) for this change?  I was also
>> wondering has any phone companies started upgrading their system to
>> accomodate the change that might be nessary?

   Since the new numbering scheme is not yet final, upgrades are a
little premature.  I believe, as do others, that the cost TO THE PHONE
COMPANIES will be less than the cost to other businesses (PBX owners,
COCOTs, Call Centers, computer databases, etc.).

   The current perspective of the Industry Numbering Committee can be
seen in their recent Draft report:

      <ftp://ftp.atis.org/pub/clc/inc/interim5.doc>


>> As well the * codes ie *69 is 1169 why not change 1169 to 11169 etc.
>> this would allow us to adapt some IUT recommendations ie 112 for police,
>> fire, ambulance.

> First, it's ITU, and second, 112 is not an ITU recommendation.  It is
> exclusively a European Union recommendation.

   And the US Congress has allocated "911" for police/fire/ambulance.
Little chance for changing that ...

   The use of "*XX" codes is not a NANP issue.  It is a Dialing Plan
and Numbering Resource issue.  So far as I know, there are NO RULES
requiring a common meaning for "*XX" and "11XX" codes, nor are LECs
required to offer any services tied to those codes.  Just look at
wireless for a precedent.  Certainly there is no desire to tie any
changes in "*XX" usage and other dialing plan prefixes to the NANP
Expansion itself.

>> As well why allow the use of 00 as well as 011?  Yes 00 by itself does
>> give you your long distance operator, but doesn't 0 by itself give you
>> the local operator?

> Why should we change to match the rest of the world?  They deliberately
> designed their numbering system to not conform to ours.

   Hmmm ... what's the European standard for customer-dialed Operator-
requested International calls?


Al Varney - just my opinion

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:32:07 -0800
From: Linc Madison <LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com>
Subject: Re: Country Code Question


In article <telecom19.558.2@telecom-digest.org>, James Kenny
<james@active-numbers.com> wrote:

> I agree that 670 and 671 and now NPAs, but I'm not so sure about 684.
> Our numbering information at http://www.active-numbers.com lists all
> three as international country codes, but only 670 and 671 as part of
> the NANP.  I just tried calling Guam though (from the U.K.), and it is
> only dialable as +1671.  +671 fails to busy.

Correct.

GUAM: must use +1 671.  Former use of +671 discontinued as of July 1998.
CNMI: must use +1 670.  Former use of +670 discontinued as of July 1998.
AMERICAN SAMOA: must use +684.  Proposed future use of +1 684 not yet
official.

The other places mentioned, the Federated States of Micronesia and the
Marshall Islands, are +691 and +692, respectively.  They cannot be
merged into +1 by the same method used for Guam and CNMI and proposed
for American Samoa, because +1 691 and +1 692 are unassignable.  At
some future date, one or both may join the NANP, but with a new code. 
Perhaps +1 681 and +1 682 could be reserved as the nearest NPAs to the
current country codes, but nothing official has been announced.


Linc Madison  *  San Francisco, California  *  Telecom(at)LincMad(dot)com
<http://www.LincMad.com>  *  North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits
>> NOTE: e-mail replies to the address in this sig will be read first! <<

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From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:49:12 EST
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


> The warning beacon on that tower, at Scipio, stopped blinking about
> a month or so ago. I figure the tower's not examined that much, so an
> AT&T crew probably won't wander by for a while, yet. Anybody know who
> I should report it to?

   The FAA, I think, at the nearest airport tower.  They'll get on
AT&T's behind right quick if the tower's in a bad place.


Bill

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:22:00 -0500
From: Curtis R. Anderson <gleepy@intelligencia.com>
Organization: Gleepy's Futplex Bar and Grill
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


John Warne wrote:

> According to AT&T employees I have talked with, there is no current
> microwave use in the State of Florida by AT&T. Fiber has replaced all
> of it. The current FCC database no longer shows many previously-
> licensed microwave sites.

> Many AT&T sites still have the various horns on their towers.
> Abandoning in-place is less expensive than stripping the towers, or so
> I'm told.

>> I'm interested in how much the terrestial microwave part of AT&T's
>> phone network is still being used.

AT&T still has a microwave relay tower right in my town (Town of Napoli,
County of Cattaraugus, State of New York). Within the past two weeks,
the obstruction beacon was replaced with a red colored xenon flash tube
that fires at low intensity multiple times for about 1/2 second. 

There is a high intensity white flash tube for daytime use. Obviously,
it must have been more cost effective to put a white flash tube on the
tower for daytime use than it was to keep the striped orange and white
paint job on it.

The tower might also be used for cellular traffic because all the rural
cell towers around here use the same lighting configuration. It must be
a side effect of Route 17, the Southern Tier Expressway, becoming I-86
Real Soon Now. Maybe it has to do with American Tower buying it.

Can tower types see if all of American Tower's assets use a white strobe
by day and a red strobe by night?


Curtis R. Anderson, Co-creator of "Gleepy the Hen", SP 2.5?, KoX
Geek geezer with a minimal web page at http://gleepy.homepage.com/.
I vacuum my cat regularly.             ICQ: 50137888
mailto:gleepy@intelligencia.com        UTM: PS 7036 7315, zone 17

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From: Matt Peterson <mpeterson@gci.net>
Subject: Re: 2 to 4 Wire Modem Converter
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 20:55:31 -0900


A complete tellabs shelf with power supply (unless you have DC 
available) is probably overkill for this application.  Try a RAD VSC 
(FXS to 2 or 4 wire E&M converter.)  I have used these products where I 
needed single line 2/4 wire conversion.  A complete tellabs shelf with 
power supplies and a single 6131B will cost a couple grand and it won't 
be fun wiring it up to a single device.  RAD VSCs are available 
rackmount or in a desktop modem type case for $4-500.  You might have to 
play some games with the signalling leads to get it to keep the line 
open.  I've never hooked one up without using the E&M leads.

Take a look at (for starters)

http://www.tellabs.com/products/analog/index.shtml

There are several devices shown there which probably will fit your need,
depending on the specific situation, and provide the 2W-4W
functionality.

I'm sure several other companies make this sort of analog equipment
(although not as common as it used to be pre-digital xmission ... this
is becoming more and more a piece of 'legacy' hardware) but Tellabs
came to mind first and in my experience, they have always been good
with pre-purchase technical support, documentation (the correct term
is "practices" in this case :-), etc. from the sales engineer who
takes your call. In fact there is a "Request More Information" link on
the above mentioned webpage with an e-form to fill out as well as a
telephone number to call for more immediate support.

Good luck ! I think it'll work out fine.

Reuben Wall wrote:


> I am searching for a product, and I was hoping someone reading can
> help point me in the right direction.

> I have to connect two modems together, each in different cities. I
> have a standard 2-wire analog modem interface on one side. I have a
> basic 4-wire interface on the other side. I need to connect them
> together!

> This is a leased line network (not dialup). There is no E&M
> signalling. There is a transmit, transmit return, a receive and
> receive return (4 wires). There will be no DC voltages on the link.

> I need an external "box" that will convert from a 4-wire modem to a
> 2-wire modem. I am not looking for the individual electronic
> componets, but a commercial product that will do this. Maximum speed
> is 2400 and MUST be full-duplex.

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From: J.F. Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca>
Subject: Transmission of TV Signals
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 01:13:03 -0500


For some time now, I have noticed that one or two TV channels I get
VIA cable are *NOTICEABLY* MPEG video from time to time (a few days
at a time).

For instance, at times (very sporadic), the NBC channel is broadcast
in such a way that you can see the squares of the MPEG compression (or
whatever similar method is used) in certain parts of the screen, most
noticeable around the mouth and eyes of a head.  Such "events" are
sporadic and last from one to a few days and may not be seen again for
some time.

However, I first noticed this on an NBC channel and rarely notice it
on other channels.

Are networks now distributing their signals over satellites in a
digital fashion or the "good old analog" conventional method?

Or would such pixelisation I sometimes noticed be produced by the cable
distributor here in Montreal?

What bugs me is that this is sporadic and rarely long lived. What sort
of conditions would result in the picture quality being diminished?

Also, is such a pixelisation common/always there in DSS broadcasts
(which use digital compression of signals)? 

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From: Frank Prindle <prindle@nospamvoicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN LEGEND ALERT!)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:26:02 -0500


dannyb@panix.com (Danny Burstein) wrote:

> Well known problem since flourescents are gas discharge (similar to

I know this is off-topic (but then again, isn't this whole thread?)
but couldn't we at least spell this right:

			F L U O R S C E N T

That other light (flourescent) sounds like something you have to bake
in the oven.

Sincerely,

Frank Prindle
prindle@nospamvoicenet.com (sans the nospam)

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 15:52:21 -0800
From: Linc Madison <LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com>
Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting


In article <telecom19.559.6@telecom-digest.org>, PAT wrote:

> Last couple of questions:  Regarding incadescent lighting, do two
> smaller bulbs of (let's say) 25 watts each produce the same amount of
> light throughout the area as one bulb of 50 watts?

Roughly speaking, in terms of light output of ordinary incandescent
light bulbs,

1 @ 100W = 2 @ 60W = 6 @ 25W

So two 25W bulbs will provide less total light than one 50W bulb.


Linc Madison  *  San Francisco, California  *  Telecom(at)LincMad(dot)com
<http://www.LincMad.com>  *  North American Telephone Area Codes & Splits
>> NOTE: e-mail replies to the address in this sig will be read first! <<


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Someone sent me a not-for-pub note,
at least not with his name on it, saying that a second light bulb
of identical wattage only increases the amount of lighting by fifty
percent; a third light bulb (in this cluster) of identical wattage
would increase the overall lighting by only ten or fifteen percent,
and that a fourth, fifth or subsequent bulb of identical wattage
(in this cluster) would present a barely noticeable increase in
the overall amount of light. So, he said if I put up 'several'
sixty watt bulbs in a cluster together it will still amount of only
a 'little over' a hundred watts of effective light. Something to
do with the way the beams of light are spread around the area and
that some of the beams of light are 'wasted' ??? Does that make
sense to anyone?  I am getting sleepy  and have to quit for now,
but maybe someone can explain it.   PAT]

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From: kim@aol.com (Kim Brennan)
Date: 19 Nov 1999 23:12:02 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Definitions


> Your turn.  "LASER"  :-)

> President Harry S Truman insisted that the United

Since you knew LASER, I'm sure you know MASER as well (the direct predecessor
of LASER ...)

As to old Harry ... I'll let YOU know a secret. Harry always put the
period after the S. S didn't stand for anything, but he still put a
period after it.


Kim Brennan
Duo 2300c, PB 2400, VW Fox Wagon GL, Corrado SLC, Vanagon GL Syncro
http://members.aol.com/kim
Duo Info Page:  http://members.aol.com/kim/computer/duo/duoindex.html
?'s should include "Duo" in subject, else they'll be deleted unread.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How do you know? Did you ask him?
Or did you merely read historical accounts and/or newspaper reports
where other writers put the period after the 'S' because they
did not know any better?   PAT]

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From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 18:57:11 EST
Subject: Re : Harry S Truman


> Now my question to you regards President Truman's middle name. What
> was it?  If you look carefully where it appears above, and as long as
> you understand I did *not* have an error in punctuation, you'll have a
> big clue toward the answer.

He had none; the "S" doesn't stand for anything, and that's why it
doesn't take a period.


Bill
(known to his friends as a vast repository of vaguely interesting -- but 
essentially useless -- information)

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From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:05:13 EST
Subject: Re: Telemarketers and  Voice Mail


Could be either of the following non-nefarious explanations:

  1) A temporary power outage at the office had the answering machine
off line when the call came in, or

  2) The line was busy (with someone else leaving a message on the
machine, for example) when the call came in, so it bumped over to
voice mail.


Bill

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 22:11:35 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: FCC Ruling Aids High-Speed Providers


WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Federal regulators say big providers of
local-phone service must share their conventional, copper lines with
rivals who offer high-speed Internet access, a move that could soon
bring cheaper, faster Web connections to millions of Americans. The
Federal Communications Commission ruled the local Bells and GTE Corp.
(GTE) have to allow independent high-speed supplier, such as Covad
Communications (COVD), Rhythms NetConnections (RTHM) and Northpoint
Communications (NPNT), to sell their service via the same phone lines
over which consumers now receive phone calls. The Bells were given 180
days to comply. At present, customers who want to buy high-speed
service from independent suppliers have to order a second phone line
at a cost of about $20. The big local phone carriers, however, can
provide phone and high-speed access over the same line, giving them a
cost advantage that has basically shut the independents out of the
consumer market.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/archive/19991118/news/current/fcc.htx

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:06:53 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Suit Says RealNetworks' 'RealJukeBox' Software is RealBigBrother   


The Legal Intelligencer (November 10, 1999) 

Claiming their privacy was invaded by software from an Internet music
site that secretly gathered information about their listening habits,
three consumers yesterday filed a class action suit in U.S. District
Court in Philadelphia against RealNetworks Inc. The case could provide
the first court test of the newly amended Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
which provides a private cause of action by computer users against the
unauthorized accessing of personal data.

http://www.lawnewsnetwork.com/stories/A9266-1999Nov9.html 

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Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 23:18:25 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: The Marker of a Criminal


by Declan McCullagh
3:00 a.m. 19.Nov.99.PDT

You're driving home from a party on a chill weekend night and
encounter your first unpleasant surprise of the evening: A police car
behind you with its lights ablaze.

Turns out you didn't halt entirely for that last stop sign, or so the
friendly policeman says. But he doesn't seem nearly as congenial as he
hands you a cotton swab and tells you to touch it to the inside of
your cheek for a DNA sample.

The second unhappy surprise: You're under arrest. 

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,32626,00.html 

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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 22 Nov 99 00:30:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 566

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (John David Galt)
    Upcoming Areacode Changes (Leonard Erickson)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Brian Elfert)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Robert Bonomi)
    Unlocking GSM Phones (Patrizio Menchetti)
    Possible ANI Failure? (Buttmunch)
    Re: Need Link for CO Information (Michael J Kuras)
    Re: 2 to 4 Wire Modem Converter (Bruce F. Roberts)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (Richard D.G. Cox)

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From: John_David_Galt@acm.org (John David Galt)
Organization: Association for Computing Machinery
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:40:53 GMT


Al Varney wrote:

>    The current perspective of the Industry Numbering Committee can be
> seen in their recent Draft report:

>       <ftp://ftp.atis.org/pub/clc/inc/interim5.doc>

I have read the report and find it rather shortsighted.  Not only is the
range of options presented overly narrow, but some major decisions are
made, apparently arbitrarily, without any explanation.

Quotations that follow are from the report.

First an assumption which seems to be so automatic to INC that the report
does not even state it, but just avoids any consideration of alternatives
that reject it.  The assumption is that the length of each NPA code will
be the same, and the length of each number will be the same.

I'm all for having the overall "national number" be a fixed length, but
there is no reason to make each of its parts fixed-length unless you plan
to continue allowing calls to be dialed without the NPA code -- and even
then it may not be necessary, since many areas today do not allow seven-
digit dialing.

> 3.0	ASSUMPTIONS AND CONSTRAINTS

> i. The expanded NANP must increase the quantity of NPAs in order to
> ensure the availability of additional NPAs when the current supply is
> exhausted

Am I the only one who feels that the NANP has already been chopped up into
small enough NPAs, and it would be nice if some of them were recombined?
Certainly we must increase the total quantity of available numbers, but we
should not rule out plans that keep the number of NPAs unchanged and just
increase the quantity of numbers available within each NPA.

>	v) location portability will be supported throughout any given
> portability pooling area and will not be restricted to rate centers; and 

This is a bad idea, as it will defeat the ability of customers to know
(from NPA+prefix) whether a given call will be a toll call.

> s. The N restriction (i.e., 2 through 9) will be removed from the C.O.
> code field (i.e., D digit) coincident with the implementation of the
> NANP expansion plan.

This is a bad idea because it forces the following:

> t. The conditions defined in the INC Uniform Dialing Plan will be
> implemented before the NANP expansion plan is implemented.
> Specifically, the use of the prefix 1 will be eliminated, and all
> intra-NANP calls will be dialed on a ten-digit only basis.

This is a very bad idea.  It effectively eliminates the distinction
between an area code and number, needlessly destroying important dialing
convenience.

This seems to be related to the assumption, discussed above, that NPAs
will grow ever more numerous and smaller in area.  Certainly if that
happens then fewer and fewer calls will be between two numbers in the same
area code.  But that is precisely why it should not happen.

* * *

I propose a new option, which I list below.  I've formatted it like parts
4 through 8 of the report, to allow for side-by-side comparisons.

X.0	OPTION X-1   12-DIGIT NATIONAL NUMBER WITH VARIABLE LENGTH PARTS

X.1	Description of Option

This Option adds two digits to the national number, but varies the lengths
of the area code, the central office code, and the subscriber number
according to the population of the area covered by each NPA.  Option X-1
does not release the first digit of the new Central Office Code to allow
the use of the digits 0 or 1, but in areas where the NPA is four or five
digits it does release the fourth digit of the NPA to allow 0 or 1.

A twelve digit number is created with this option.  The number format for
this option is each of the following, as selected by local regulatory
authorities in each area:

NXX(XX) + NXX + XXXX
NXX(X) + NXX(X) + XXXX
NXX + NXX(X) + XXXX(X)
(NX) + NXXX + XXXXXX

where N represents digits 2 through 9, X represents digits 0 through 9, and:

NXX(XX)     a five-digit NPA with (XX) the additional two digits
NXX         a three-digit Central Office Code
XXXX        a four-digit line number

NXX(X)      a four-digit NPA with (X) the additional digit
NXX(X)      a four-digit Central Office Code with (X) the additional digit
XXXX        a four-digit line number

NXX         a three-digit NPA
NXX(X)      a four-digit Central Office Code with (X) the additional digit
XXXX(X)     a five-digit line number with (X) the additional digit

(NX)        a two-digit NPA
NXXX        a four-digit Central Office Code
XXXXXX      a six-digit line number

NOTE:  In the case of a two-digit NPA, the existing 10-digit number is used
as the new Central Office Code and line number.

The existing NANP format (NXX + NXX + XXXX) mathematically provides 6.4
billion numbers (800 x 800 x 10,000).  Under option X-1, this number is
increased 100-fold (by adding two X digits even though their position
in the national number string varies) to 640 billion.

Option X-1 therefore provides approximately a 100-fold increase in
capacity relative to the existing NANP structure.  Importantly, within
each NPA that goes to longer local numbers (rather than a 5-digit NPA),
the quantity of numbers is increased:
*  by 72 million (from 8 million to 80 million) for a 4-digit NPA;
*  by 792 million (from 8 million to 800 million) for a 3-digit NPA;
*  by 7,992 million (from 8 million to 8 BILLION) for a 2-digit NPA.

Examples of expanded NANP numbers shown below assume that:

-  New York City (212) goes to a 2-digit NPA;
-  Dallas (972) remains a 3-digit NPA;
-  Las Vegas (702) goes to a 4-digit NPA;
-  Wyoming (307) goes to a 5-digit NPA.

For example:

212 NXX XXXX becomes 29 212 NXX XXXX
972 NXX XXXX becomes 490 NXX0 XXXX0
702 NXX XXXX becomes 7020 NXX0 XXXX
307 NXX XXXX becomes 30700 NXX XXXX

Non-Geographic NPAs would be changed as follows:

800 XXX XXXX becomes 80 00 XXX XXXX 
888 XXX XXXX becomes 80 80 XXX XXXX
877 XXX XXXX becomes 80 70 XXX XXXX
   and so forth, making "80" the only toll free "area code" in the new
   system.  After transition, 1 billion toll free numbers of the form
   80 XXX XXX XXX will be available; all 9 digits will be "open".

900 XXX XXXX becomes 90 00 XXX XXXX

Special Use Codes would be dialed as follows:

N11 codes would stay N11

950 XXXX     becomes 80 10 950 XXXX

212 555 1212 becomes 29 5555 555555
972 555 1212 becomes 390 5555 55555
702 555 1212 becomes 7020 5555 5555
307 555 1212 becomes 30700 555 5555

555 XXXX     becomes 80 10 555 XXXX
   (and _please_ do not assign 555-5555 before implementation!)

4.2	Transition Plan

For NPA codes of four or five digits, adding the specific new digit 0 in
the fourth position of the NPA code creates a means to transition to the
expanded format.  (For the same reason, all of the initially assigned "80"
and "90" numbers will have a 0 in the fourth position.)  Since the fourth
digit in the existing ten-digit NANP can never have a 0 or 1 in that
position, introducing this value in the D digit position will provide the
necessary indication for all switching equipment and operational systems to
ensure identification of an expanded NANP number.  Thus, transitioning will
be accomplished through this unique assignment of 0 in the D digit
location.

For NPA codes of two or three digits, there will not necessarily be a zero
in the fourth position of the complete number, so we must instead put the
digit 9 in the second position of each initially assigned two- and three-
digit NPA code.

Because of these unique assignments, it will be possible to allow for a
permissive dialing period (for 1+NPA+number and 0+NPA+number calls only),
during which the network will be able to determine whether the caller was
dialing a ten-digit or a twelve-digit number by checking the values of the
B and D digits.  (However, the dialing of same-NPA numbers without an area
code cannot be permissive, except in two- and five-digit NPAs where the
dialing instructions for these calls will probably be the same as today!)

It is recommended that a six-month permissive dialing period be allowed to
effect a smooth transition to the new area codes. 

During the transition period only four- or five-digit NPAs with 0 or 1 in
the D digit position, and two- or three-digit NPAs with 9 in the B digit
position, would be introduced.  At the end of the transition period, both
of these rules would be relaxed, but no NPA code could be the same as the
beginning of another one, just as no country code can be the same as the
beginning of another one.

4.3	Significant Advantages and Disadvantages

4.3.1	Advantages

Will not only slow, but start to reverse, the present trend of dividing
NPAs into ever tinier geographic areas, as well as the creation of overlay
NPAs.  Instead, a large metropolitan area which has many area codes before
transition will be able to merge them into one large (2 or 3 digit) NPA.
This will simplify the NPA map and make it easier to remember which area
code you are in.

Requires no prefix to accomplish the transition because a 0 in the new D
digit of four- or five-digit NPAs, or a 9 in the B digit of shorter NPAs,
is used as a transition indicator.

Four- or five-digit NPAs retain the existing NPA code as the first three
digits of the expanded area code.  Five-digit NPAs also retain the existing
seven-digit local number, unchanged.  Two-digit NPAs retain the existing
ten-digit number as the local number.

Does not require implementation of the INC Uniform Dialing Plan.

Use of the prefix 1 as a toll indicator can continue because no prefix is
needed to support transitioning to this option. 

Continues to allow the dialing of same-NPA calls without an area code, and
makes that ability more useful than now by allowing multiple NPA codes in a
large metropolitan area to merge into one NPA.

Enables switches to determine within the first five digits dialed
(including the 0 or 1 prefix) whether the caller is dialing a ten- or
twelve-digit number during transition period.

All toll-free numbers -- including the present 950 and 555 numbers are
combined into one pseudo-NPA with lots of room for growth, thus reducing
subscribers' confusion over what numbers are toll-free.

4.3.2	Disadvantages

Expanding the NANP by inserting digits into NPAs and telephone numbers in
ways that differ from one NPA to another may be difficult to explain, may
be hard to understand by the general public, and is user-unfriendly.  A
conversion table would need to be published, as other countries have done
when adding digits to their systems.

While all out-of-NPA calls will be the same length ("0" or "1" plus 12
digits), and all local numbers within a given NPA will be the same length,
that local-number length will differ from one NPA to another.

Does not allow permissive dialing of same-NPA calls dialed without an area
code.

Prohibits the opening of the D digit to 0 prior to the implementation of
this option and during the transition period (but it may be opened to 1).

Prohibits, permanently, the opening of the first digit of the Central
Office Code (which will be B, C, D, or E depending on locality) to either
0 or 1.

Does not allow release of the 80 N9X formatted NPAs for immediate
assignment, as they are required for this expansion.

Does not provide the Canadian industry and regulatory authorities with
increased flexibility and autonomy in the use of NANP numbering resources.

4.4	Dependencies & Prerequisites

This option cannot be implemented in the above manner if the D digit is
released prior to NANP expansion.


John David Galt

------------------------------

From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Upcoming Areacode Changes
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:21:28 PST
Organization: Shadownet


Condensed from various files at www.nanpa.com and from NNAG:

856     New Jersey                       (full cutover          13 Nov 99)
321     Florida                          (overlaid on 407        1 Dec 99)
858     California                       (full cutover          11 Dec 99)
669     California                       (overlaid on 408        8 Jan 00)
936     Texas                            (splits from 409        1 Feb 00)
979     Texas                            (splits from 409        1 Feb 00)
951     California                       (splits from 909       12 Feb 00)
636     Missouri                         (full cutover          26 Feb 00)
763     Minnesota                        (splits from 612       27 Feb 00)
952     Minnesota                        (splits from 612       27 Feb 00)
571     Virginia                         (overlaid on 703        1 Mar 00)
262     Wisconsin                        (full cutover           4 Mar 00)
631     New York                         (full cutover           1 Apr 00)
859     Kentucky                         (splits from 606        1 Apr 00)
865     Tennessee                        (full cutover          24 Apr 00)
662     Mississippi                      (full cutover           1 May 00)
863     Florida                          (full cutover          22 May 00)
935     California                       (splits from 619       10 Jun 00)
764     California                       (overlaid on 650       17 Jun 00)
278     Texas                            (overlaid on 734        8 Jul 00)
337     Louisiana                        (full cutover          10 Jul 00)
341     California                       (overlaid on 510       15 Jul 00)
564     Washington                       (overlaid on 360       29 Jul 00)
229     Georgia                          (splits from 912        1 Aug 00)
478     Georgia                          (splits from 912        1 Aug 00)
936     Texas                            (full cutover           4 Aug 00)
979     Texas                            (full cutover           4 Aug 00)
989     Michigan                         (splits from 517       19 Aug 00)
951     California                       (full cutover           9 Sep 00)
321     Florida                          (full cutover           1 Oct 00)
859     Kentucky                         (full cutover           1 Oct 00)
657     California                       (overlaid on 714        7 Oct 00)
442     California                       (splits from 760       21 Oct 00)
628     California                       (overlaid on 415       21 Oct 00)
679     Michigan                         (overlaid on 313        4 Nov 00)
935     California                       (full cutover           9 Dec 00)
763     Minnesota                        (full cutover          14 Jan 01)
952     Minnesota                        (full cutover          14 Jan 01)
989     Michigan                         (full cutover          20 Jan 01)
947     Michigan                         (overlaid on 248        3 Feb 01)
752     California                       (overlaid on 909       10 Feb 01)
442     California                       (full cutover          14 Apr 01)
229     Georgia                          (full cutover           1 Aug 01)
478     Georgia                          (full cutover           1 Aug 01)
424     California                       (overlaid on 310        ? ??? ??)
684  I  American Samoa                   (joins NANP             ? ??? ??)
684  I  American Samoa                   (full cutover           ? ??? ??)


Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort

------------------------------

Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?
From: belfert@foshay.citilink.com (Brian Elfert)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 15:31:08 GMT


Curtis R. Anderson <gleepy@intelligencia.com> writes:

> There is a high intensity white flash tube for daytime use. Obviously,
> it must have been more cost effective to put a white flash tube on the
> tower for daytime use than it was to keep the striped orange and white
> paint job on it.

I think tower operators would rather use the white lights during day and
night, but resident complaints have squashed use of the white lights at
night.

A television tower 1/2 mile from my parents' house had white lights on it
that were active 24 hours a day.  Many residents complained, and after a
year or so, the lights were red at night and white during the day.


Brian

------------------------------

From: bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?
Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:48:02 GMT
Organization: Not Much


Das 'blinking lights' are required by the FCC (co-operating with the FAA)
on any tower more than 300' above ground level.  

The _quick_ way to get it fixed is notify any handy FCC field office,

In article <telecom19.558.1@telecom-digest.org>, Daryl R. Gibson
<drgibson@du1.byu.edu> wrote:

> At Scipio, Utah, another "corner" tower moves the signal westward, and
> it goes on to Nevada and California. The warning beacon on that tower,
> at Scipio, stopped blinking about a month or so ago. I figure the
> tower's not examined that much, so an AT&T crew probably won't wander
> by for a while, yet. Anybody know who I should report it to?

------------------------------

From: Patrizio Menchetti <patrizio.menchetti@menchlaw.com>
Organization: Studio legale Menchetti
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 18:24:18 +0100
Subject: Unlocking GSM Phones


> Some codes are based on the IMEI and can be calculated, but 
> not necessarily all of them. You can lock/unlock a phone from the 
> handset, or with a data cable depending on the model. Theres 
> nothing magical about it. GSM operators lock/unlock phones all 
> the time. The lack of answers to prepubescent Italian geeks on 
> alt.cellular.gsm can hardly be taken as proof that it can't be done. 
> However, as it is a service the telephone companies charge for 
> you can hardly blame people for not offering the service for free.  
> Steven

I understand that my compatriots are more keen to act as conspirators
than to report locks to the regulatory authorities (no, they don't
need a lawyer to do that -- and lawyers' advertising is forbidden here
BTW). In the European Union GSM handset locks are very likely to be in
violation of competition (antitrust) law, as handset prices cannot be
subsidized by traffic.  Fines may amount to up to 10% of the
aggregated turnover of the company -- and authorities do fine companies
here.


Patrizio Menchetti
Avvocato
Studio legale Menchetti 
Tel. +39 0583 419812  Fax +39 0583 316625
E-mail patrizio.menchetti@menchlaw.com 
*CHANGE OF ADDRESS / CAMBIO INDIRIZZO*
New office address / nuovo indirizzo dello studio:
Via di Poggio, 34 I-55100 Lucca, Italy
Mail address / indirizzo per la corrispondenza:
Casella postale 919
I-55100 Lucca, Italy

------------------------------

From: Buttmunch <mhex2@iname.com>
Subject: Possible ANI Failure?
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:52:43 -0600
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


I recently used the service available from http://www.dialpad.com .

Basically this service allows you to call anywhere within the US free
of charge to you. I assume that it uses some form of VOIP. Well
anyway, I decided to call an ANI voice readback number. The readback
number that I use is: 1-800-346-0152. It just keeps on ringing and
doesn't pick up. I figured that there was some sort of problem with
it, so I called from my phone. It gave me a readback to the PBX number
that I am on. So I deduced from that there is no problem with the 800
ANI readback number.

Doing further investigation I used my free personal 1-800 number
available through http://www.ureach.com . I left myself a voice
message. I then proceeded to check which number that it had originated
from. It said that it was unknown.  I then proceeded to check my call
detail report. It listed the number as unknown.

Now my question is, is it possible that dialpad could be causing
some kind of ANI failure? In dialpad's FAQ it mentions somewhere that
all 800 numbers are routed to a special underutilized gateway. I
remember reading somewhere that party phone lines are capable of
causing an ANI failure.  1-800-487-9240 has since been redirected to
another service, and I can't tell which code that it is giving for the
failure. Any answers would to this puzzling question would be
appreciated.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:30:44 EST
From: Michael J. Kuras <mkuras@ccs.neu.edu>
Subject: Re: Need Link for CO Information


The site http://www.dslreports.com maps CO locations to area
code/exchanges.  The 'deep' url is 
http://www.dslreports.com/r3/dsl/coinfo. (Dont' want to trigger any
lawsuits here.  ;)

I like this site.  It offers what seems to be a thorough, non-biased
overview of DSL technology & availability. 

As an aside: this site correctly shows that I'm ~27000 feet away from
my CO.  Unfortunately, it means the only DSL I can get is IDSL, which
has a maximum up/down speed of 128/128.  I haven't checked with any
providers yet, but I just *know* that they're going to charge me the
same monthly rate as someone who's 2000 ft from the CO and gets full
speed.  (grumble)

Also, I'm not entirely sure why my speed will be limited; my local
loop muxes onto a T1-speed Parigain modem not more than a few hunderd
feet from my demarc.  Why, then, will I be throttled to less than 10%
of the possible throughput?  Why will I forced to use IDSL?  There's
got to be a better way.


michael j kuras       finger for pgp key

------------------------------

From: Bruce F. Roberts <bfr1@att.net>
Subject: Re: 2 to 4 Wire Modem Converter
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 19:29:10 -0600
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services


A shelf is not necessary anyway.  Tellabs and other make "apparatus
cases" which hold 2 or 4 cards and the power supply can be the
plug-in-the-wall "wall wart" design.

Matt Peterson wrote:

> A complete tellabs shelf with power supply (unless you have DC
> available) is probably overkill for this application.  Try a RAD VSC
> (FXS to 2 or 4 wire E&M converter.)  I have used these products where I
> needed single line 2/4 wire conversion.  A complete tellabs shelf with
> power supplies and a single 6131B will cost a couple grand and it won't
> be fun wiring it up to a single device.  RAD VSCs are available
> rackmount or in a desktop modem type case for $4-500.  You might have to
> play some games with the signalling leads to get it to keep the line
> open.  I've never hooked one up without using the E&M leads.

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 15:44 +0000 (Penarth Winter Time)
From: Richard@office.mandarin.com (Richard D G Cox)
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure


On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, j$t@e~p~i~x.n!e!t (Julian Thomas) wrote:

> Yes or no - each with a 900# to send a fax (for $2.95/minute).

It would be particularly helpful to know the actual 1-900 numbers being
used here, and from that be able to identify whatever IXC may be involved.
Could the details be either posted -- or, if preferred, mailed to me?


Richard Cox
029 2031 1131
To send genuine email, remove the "office" from my address.  Thanks.

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Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Starpower Changes Rates For Its Bundled Long Distance Service (P Robinson)
    Re: Definitions (Robert Bonomi)
    Re: Definitions (Peter Dubuque)
    Re: Calling 888 Numbers From Outside the US (Peter Corlett)
    Re: Wiretap Story Comes out Scrambled (Ari)
    Smart Number (Wiring65)
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From: Rfc1394a@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 04:34:07 EST
Subject: Starpower Changes Rates For Its Bundled Long Distance Service
From: Paul Robinson <RFC1394A@aol.com>


Sometime in the summer of 1998 I saw an ad in the paper announcing
that Starpower could offer telephone service in the Washington
D.C. Metropolitan Area.  At that time I lived in Ft. Washington,
Maryland, and, obviously I had service with Bell Atlantic because
there was no alternative.  I've had service with BA for more than
seven years when I lived in Silver Spring, Maryland and have had
problems with them which I have documented here in other articles over
the years.

When there was an alternative, I abandoned Bell Atlantic faster than a
Gypsy Roofing company leaves town.  I know Starpower is currently, in
effect, buying the service from Bell Atlantic at a discount and
reselling it to me at a small markup, but that's irrelevant; the whole
point was for me to be able to stop having to deal with Barf Atemetic
even if the severing of my connection to them (pun intentional) is
only symbolic.  And the fact Starpower offers the service at a 5%
discount over the incumbent (or should I say incompetent) telephone
company is just icing on the cake.

Don't get me wrong, though.  I have nothing but the utmost respect for
the installers and linesmen and lineswomen at Bell Atlantic who
actually go out in the field and hook this stuff up.  I have found
them, in every case, to be good, professional people of the highest
calber, who sometimes would even bend company rules a little or do
just a little more than they had to in order to see to it the job was
done, and done correctly.  No, the problem with Hell Titanic is the
backoffice people who either (A) misenter the orders for whatever
service I order into the computer; (B) set the wrong options on my
service; (C) disconnect my service by accident or mistake; and (D)
issue me service that not only cheated me and when I was backbilled
for the correct amount they owed me $80, but violated their own tariff
schedule.  These are just some of the mistakes that me decide to
switch to someone else when it was possible to do so.

When I moved to Virginia about a year ago, I first looked to Starpower
to see if I could get service from them BEFORE I would do business
with.  And I could.  So I did.  Starpower also offers the option of
using their Long Distance at 9c a minute 24/7 everywhere, even on
intrastate and short-distance toll calls, so I took that too.

In this month's bill, Starpower announced they were changing rates on
their service.  Since I take phone service with them they waive the
$5.95 a month service charge.  Well, Starpower announced that the rate
has changed.  They will no longer be charging 9c per minute for long
distance.

They are now charging 7c per minute.

I cannot ever remember Bell Atlantic making any announcement of a
reduction in what they charge, only the reverse whenever they made the
obligatory PUC mandated warning.

Sometimes you make a choice and you don't know if it's the right one.
Sometimes you know right away.  I knew that my choice was the right
one.  It's nice to have something like this reconfirm what you knew
all along.


Paul Robinson <RFC1394A@AOL.COM>
Formely TDARCOS@MCIMAIL.COM, PAUL@TDR.COM among others.

------------------------------

From: bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Definitions
Date: 21 Nov 1999 12:25:20 GMT
Organization: Not Much


In article <telecom19.558.4@telecom-digest.org>, Joey Lindstrom
<Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU> wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 23:46:08 EST, editor@telecom-digest.org
> wrote:

>>>           RADAR  SONAR  LORAN  ELF  AM  FM   VHF  UHF

>> AM=Amplitude Modulation
>> FM=Frequency Modulation
>> VHF=Very High Frequency
>> UHF=Ultra High Frequency.

>> My brain cells have obviously had insufficient caffiene today as I can't
>> remember the exact definition for RADAR and SONAR ... :(

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But you neglected to take a guess at
>> LORAN and ELF.   PAT]

> RADAR = RAdio Detecting And Ranging
> SONAR = SOund Navigation And Ranging
> LORAN = LOng RAnge Navigation

  LOng Range Aid to Navigation

> ELF = Extremely Low Frequency (below 300 Hertz)

> C'mon, hit me with another ... I dare ya. ;-)

Oh, lets see here,

   RFI
   SHORAN
   PWM
   NAK
   AVC
   CTCSS   (hint: pagers and 2-way radios)
   SCA
   QAM
   SSB/SC
   UCT
   HDX
   ERP
   TARFU
   ETB
   MUNG

[snip]

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Since 'Radar' is 'Radio Detecting and
> Ranging', it sounds a little silly to speak in terms of 'radar
> detectors' doesn't it.

I don't see why.  the original form was 'radio-based detection and
ranging' (of remote objects).  So, _what_else_ would you call a 
device that 'detects' when such a device is in operation.

>                       If so, do we have a detecting device which
> detects radio detectors? Sort of a double spy as in spy-vs-spy, Mad
> Magazine style? That might be a good way to describe it; we are
> using a radio to spy and find out if someone nearby is using a radio
> to spy on us. Maybe someone could develop an 'anti-TEMPEST' detector
> to tell us if someone nearby was using that method of spying, by
> looking for the radiation *it* was emitting. 

A radio detector is capable of detecting another radio detector.

It 'transmits' about as much energy as a conventional receiver, of
equivalent construction, does.  There is the 'minor' matter of knowing
'what frequencies' to look on, however.  And the fact that 'quality'
equipment -- whether it's a receiver or a 'radio detector' -- puts out
a whole lot less 'signature' than cheap 'consumer' stuff.


As for Mad Mag,  the real world is in the 'spy-vs-spy-vs-spy' category.

"Radar-detector detectors" are on the market.  Law-enforcement types,
in some jurisdictions where radar-detectors are prohibited by statute,
use 'em.

> But then PIN, as in 'Personal Identification Number' is frequently
> stated as 'PIN number' which seems to double things up on the end
> also. 

How about "What's the ISBN number for that book?"  Or, even worse,
"What's the ISBN book number?"

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:16:44 EST
From: Peter Dubuque <dubuque@tiac.net>
Subject: Re: Definitions


In <telecom19.565.9@telecom-digest.org> Kim Brennan <kim@aol.com>
wrote saying Harry S Truman did put a period after the 'S' -- which
meant nothing but 'S' -- even though the New York Times, Chicago
Tribune, Washington Post, National Enquirer, Weekly World News and
TELECOM Digest usually do not do so. 

So the TELECOM Digest Editor Queried in response:
                                        
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How do you know? Did you ask him?      
> Or did you merely read historical accounts and/or newspaper reports   
> where other writers put the period after the 'S' because they         
> did not know any better?   PAT]                                       
                                                                        
The Harry S. Truman Library and Museum (his presidential library) has an
article on the matter, and a scan of his signature, at                  
http://www.trumanlibrary.org/speriod.htm                               
                                                                        

Peter F. Dubuque - dubuque@tiac.net - Enemy of Reason(TM)     O-        

------------------------------

From: abuse@cabal.org.uk (Peter Corlett)
Subject: Re: Calling 888 Numbers From Outside the US
Date: 21 Nov 1999 21:25:52 GMT
Organization: None


Richard D.G. Cox <Richard@office.numbering.com> wrote:

> Someone mailed me about a "Low cost merchant account for your business"
> but as the country I'm currently in cannot dial +1-888 numbers directly, I
> wondered whether any of your readers would like to check out whether there
> is anything available at 1-888-821-4576 that is worth following up?

Whilst I don't generally spend money phoning up spammers (it's
sometimes much more productive to phone the Administrative Contact for
their domain or the upstream) I had to play. It appears that I can
call this number using a Telco account from my Orange mobile phone,
and thus presumably from a Telco account attached to a landline.

It would appear that different UK telcos have different approaches to
calling US numbers. When I last checked, British Telecom, and Mercury
(subsequently rebranded Cable and Wireless) seem to have the same
approach: to supervise the call, play a recorded announcement, and
then attempt to connect the call. I have a charge on a bill for what I
understand to be an invalid 1-800 number through this, when I made a
test call.

I've no idea whether this is still standard procedure, since I have no
particular wish to pay either BT or CWC their extortionate rates for
transatlantic calls.

My old AT&T UK account was able to call 1-800 numbers without the
supervisory announcement and accompanying charge for listening to this
message, but alas the company was otherwise completely incompetent,
IMO. For example they couldn't bill correctly, and they misimplemented
CLIP contrary to Oftel rules, and I told them to get lost.

To make sure I caused them as much hassle as they caused me, I made
sure I overpaid them by a penny on the closing balance, causing them
to send me a bill every month telling me that they owed me 1p (and
that I should pay immediately.) I didn't actually think they'd still
be sending them after a year, but they did.

Anyway, it would appear that a number of smaller UK telcos actually
use the US as a backup route for their calls. I suspect that this is
because they have a significant amount of US bandwidth when compared
with their UK bandwidth, and when the system gets congested, they only
have US ports free, and thus calls go via there. This is particularly
noticable at 6pm when cheap rate kicks in.

I have often made a call via Telco and recieved the "Your number
cannot be completed as dialled" message. Somehow, a call that is going
a mile or so has ended up on the wrong side of the Atlantic! I've
certainly seen a bill showing calls to 0121 449 xxxx as 1-441 214 49xx
(with the last two digits lost). Is that number even valid?

Another interesting feature of this US routing is the CLIP. It appears
that calls routed within the UK show up as "Unavailable" or "Withheld"
(i.e. Out of Area, or Private) and when they go via the US, the full
number is presented. This seems entirely contrary to how I would
expect it to work.

I've just tested this now, calling the landline from my
mobile. Firstly, I was told by an American lady that the line had been
disconnected. The second time, I got through. I dread to think what is
going on with them at times.

It seems that to be able to call anywhere, you need about three or
four telcos and be prepared to experiment. Wouldn't it be nice if
there was just one that worked all the time? Still, perhaps I should
try some 1-900 numbers and see if they connect at all, and if so, what
shows up on the bill.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:51:50 -0800
From: Ari <nospam@pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: Wiretap Story Comes out Scrambled
Organization: SPAMMERS BEWARE


Richard Shockey wrote:

> Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> wrote:

>> The IETF, an international group that sets standards for the Internet,
>> wants the Feds to do their own dirty work. The group voted yesterday
>> not to help governments with wiretapping efforts. 

> I'm not so sure this story is being accurately reported.  Though the
> NO votes in DC were very vocal, the abstentions were in the majority
> IHMO.

Strange ... from where I was in the Regency Room at the Omni during
the IETF-46 plenary when Jeff Schiller took the show of hands for NO,
YES and ABSTAIN, it looked like the majority were AGAINST providing
wiretap enabling features in IETF protocols. And that **was** the
announced result.

> This issue is not going to go away in the IETF any time soon.

That's for sure ... AND it will further energize end-to-end encryption
use.


Reply to:  Ari (at) usa (dot) net

------------------------------

From: wiring65@aol.com (Wiring65)
Date: 20 Nov 1999 22:07:48 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Smart Number


Found an interesting url for unifying phone, fax, pager and mobile
phone into one number at
http://www.ipappliance.net/IPOneLine/IP_OneLine_Welcome.html

------------------------------

From: robl@macwhiz.com (Rob Levandowski)
Subject: Re: Transmission of TV Signals
Organization: MacWhiz Technologies
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 23:03:22 -0500


In article <telecom19.565.6@telecom-digest.org>, J.F. Mezei
<jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> wrote:

> What bugs me is that this is sporadic and rarely long lived. What sort
> of conditions would result in the picture quality being diminished?

With DSS, there is a well-known phenomenon which can cause this effect. 
It's called "rain fade."

It occurs when the line of sight from the satellite to the reception
dish is obscured by meterological conditions -- rain, snow, sleet,
etc.  It's especially noticeable if the normal reception level is
marginal.  For example, if your DSS dish has a few tree branches along
the line of sight, you may be fine on sunny days, but during heavy
downpours your service may pixellate or cut out altogether.

However, that's also due to the fact that DSS is using a relatively
small 18" dish.  I would think that cable companies and networks would
be using larger, more robust dishes and signalling.

> Also, is such a pixelisation common/always there in DSS broadcasts
> (which use digital compression of signals)? 

With DirecTV, yes.

Some channels have constant "artifacting" due to heavy MPEG2 video
compression.  It's especially visible in shadows or large areas of
uniform color.  DirecTV has expanded their channel lineup without
signifigantly increasing their available bandwidth; as a result,
they've cranked the compression up.  To me, being "sensitized" to the
pixellation from watching streaming video on the 'net, it's painfully
obvious -- especially on a decent 32" or larger TV.

In theory, the pay-per-view and "premium" channels get a bigger
bandwidth chunk than channels like Food TV or Sci-Fi.  Also, the PPV
channels are supposedly stored precompressed, so the compression
should be of higher quality than the "standard" channels which are
compressed on the fly.  However, when I watched the letterbox PPV of
"Saving Private Ryan" on DirecTV, there was obvious artifacting
throughout the film.  In comparison, the DVD of SPR was free of
artifacts.  DVD uses a 10Mbps data stream, IIRC; I don't know what
DirecTV uses.


Rob Levandowski
robl@macwhiz.com

------------------------------

From: david@uow.edu.au (David Wilson)
Subject: Re: Transmission of TV Signals
Date: 20 Nov 99 12:04:25 GMT
Organization: University of Wollongong, Australia


J.F. Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@videotron.ca> writes:

> For some time now, I have noticed that one or two TV channels I get
> VIA cable are *NOTICEABLY* MPEG video from time to time (a few days
> at a time).

Here in Australia I have noticed this problem on free to air ABC & SBS
programs relayed by satellite to a local UHF transmitter.

> For instance, at times (very sporadic), the NBC channel is broadcast
> in such a way that you can see the squares of the MPEG compression (or
> whatever similar method is used) in certain parts of the screen, most
> noticeable around the mouth and eyes of a head.  Such "events" are
> sporadic and last from one to a few days and may not be seen again for
> some time.

Here the problem occurs for a couple of seconds at most. Some nights I
would see one occurrence in an hour long program, on one particularly
bad night I counted a dozen picture breakups and one sound loss during
a half hour program.

I contacted our national transmission agency and they confirmed that
the signals are now transmitted digitally using MPEG compression and
that occasionally they will run out of bandwidth for all the channels
and some errors will occur. I also sent email to both broadcasters and
the ABC said they would look into it -- no further information has been
forth-coming but the errors seem to occur less often.  


David Wilson
School of IT & CS, Uni of Wollongong, Australia

------------------------------

From: Andrzej Kowalczyk <guesswhoami@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: xDSL, FITx, HFC - Tech Info Wanted
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:15:23 GMT
Organization: TPNET - http://www.tpnet.pl


Hi,

I am looking for any kind of tech info, specifications, etc. about
xDSL, FITx, HFC. If you have any (electronic documents preffered) or
you know where it is available please send me a message with addresses
of the websites or/and documents in an attachment.


Best regards,

Andrzej
guesswhoami@poczta.onet.pl

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 11:56 +0000 (Penarth Winter Time)
From: Richard@office.mandarin.com (Richard D.G. Cox)
Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting


On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, robl@macwhiz.com (Rob Levandowski) wrote:

> Therefore, if you have a choice between using a one-bulb or two-bulb
> fixture, it makes sense to go with the one-bulb fixture, because one
> large bulb will cost you less to operate for the same amount of light

Cost-reduction is not always the only objective that "makes sense"!

A one-bulb fixture has an inherent disadvantage -- that bulb will one
day fail -- and when it does there will be no light output from the
fixture.  With a two-bulb fixture, when one bulb fails there will
still be light (albeit at half power).  The sudden failure of a lamp
fixture can have serious safety considerations, whether in the home or
a public place.

And the cost savings may be extinguished by other resulting costs: if
a single-lamp fixture fails in a public building, it may be necessary
to call a janitor or electrician out to change the bulb; with the
two-bulb fitting the situation can wait until the janitor is next in
that area.  Will the cost of the janitors (over)time be less than the
cost of the power saved?


Richard Cox
029 2031 1131
To send me genuine e-mail, just remove the "office" from my address!

------------------------------

From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 14:43:11 PST
Organization: Shadownet


Linc Madison <LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com> writes:

> In article <telecom19.559.6@telecom-digest.org>, PAT wrote:

>> Last couple of questions:  Regarding incadescent lighting, do two
>> smaller bulbs of (let's say) 25 watts each produce the same amount of
>> light throughout the area as one bulb of 50 watts?

> Roughly speaking, in terms of light output of ordinary incandescent
> light bulbs,

> 1 @ 100W = 2 @ 60W = 6 @ 25W

> So two 25W bulbs will provide less total light than one 50W bulb.

Actually, it all depends on the bulb. The packages for the bulbs should
have a rating in *lumens*. That's the actual *light output* of the
bulb. And it doesn't have as much to do with the wattage as you might
think. 

And it pays to check both the lumens rating *and* the "average
lifetime" rating. Because quite often you'll discover that in the long
run, you'll get a better deal buying the *cheaper* bulbs. True, you may
have to change bulbs more often, but I'd rather do that than pay twice
as much money for a bulb that only last 50% longer!


Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort

------------------------------

From: orin@wolfenet.COM (Orin Eman)
Subject: Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN LEGEND ALERT!)
Date: 21 Nov 1999 22:25:49 GMT
Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C


Frank Prindle <prindle@nospamvoicenet.com> writes:

> I know this is off-topic (but then again, isn't this whole thread?)
> but couldn't we at least spell this right:

>			F L U O R S C E N T

And the spelling police have their foot firmly planted in their
mouth.  Try fluorescent, or even florescent.


Orin

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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 22 Nov 99 02:07:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 568

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Re: Fluorescent Lighting (Sethu Rathinam)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Robert Bonomi)
    Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (Adam Sampson)
    Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< ) (G Thomas)
    Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT! (Leonard Erickson)
    Those Pesky Lamps (Bill Levant)
    Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP<  >WHOOP<) (Orin Eman)
    Re: Urban Legend Alert (Robert Bonomi)
    Light Bulbs (and Other Stuff) (Steve Hayes)

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Subject: Re: Fluorescent Lighting
From: see-signature@noplace.nom (Sethu Rathinam)
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:03:03 GMT


> PAT, the TELECOM Digest Editor, noted in reply:
 ....

> What about
> people who are too cheap to buy their own lightbulbs, so they steal
> them from Chicago Transit Authority subway trains. The bulb has
> a notation on it saying '50 watts, DC, Railway Lighting Company'.
> The subway trains run on DC through the third rail. Will the bulb
> work in a lamp at home?   PAT]

The *incadescent* bulbs don't care whether you use AC or DC and work
the same.  They behave like "just resistors" on the circuit for all
practical purposes.

[For the mathematically inclined, Power = Voltage * Current; Voltage =
Current * Resistance; Household voltage is 'constant' at 110V in some
parts of the world and all that.] 


Sethu R Rathinam
rathinam AT netins PERIOD net

------------------------------

From: bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Date: 21 Nov 1999 14:08:12 GMT
Organization: Not Much


In article <telecom19.551.4@telecom-digest.org>, Cortland Richmond
<Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com> wrote:

> There are some exceptions to the rule preventing disclosure of radio
> transmissions. Amateur Radio is one of them.

Any licensed ham will certify to the falsehood of that statement.

Ham radio transmissions _are_ covered by the Secrecy of Communications
section of the Communications Act.

In article <telecom19.557.1@telecom-digest.org>, Michael Sullivan
<avogadro@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

[snip]

Everything Michael said was find, up to this point ...

> police doppler radar works by simply sending out a series of pulses and
> then timing how long the pulses take to get back.

*sigh*  Here we go again, with some authorative-sounding MIS-INFORMATION.

Police radar, works on a principle known as 'Doppler shift'. It does
_not_ involve *TIMING* the pulses. It doesn't even _use_ pulses.  It
is a _continuous_ carrier signal, which is bounced off the object in
question.  The 'echo' from that object is FREQUENCY SHIFTED, upwards
if the object is approaching, and downwards if it is receeding.  The
magnitude of that frequency shift is related to the speed the object
is travelling at.

The radar unit simply combines the signal it's transmitting, with the
'echo'.  _Exactly_ the way any superhetrodyne receiver works, and gets
a low frequency out (it's usually well under 1kHz) that reflects the
speed of the object.

A simple scaling (in the range of interest, the relationship is
essentially linear) of the frequency, and you have speed in whatever
'convenient' units you desire.

It's an _extremely_ simple design.  The transmitter doesn't even have
to have any significant long term stability.  (It's got to be stable
_short- term_, but a drift of 10 PPM per hour probably won't effect
the second digit to the _right_ fo the decimal point.)

Doing actual 'distance measuring' to the object, and computing 'delta
distance over time' to get speed, requires a time-base with
sub-nanosecond resolution to get accuracy of +/- 1mph.  And being able
to control/measure the start of pulse-transmission *and* the leading
edge of the returning echo with similiar precision.  This is doable,
but =expensive=, even with todays technology. 25-30 years ago --
forget it.  Something like that would probably occupy an entire
semi-trailer, and cost well into seven figures.

[snip]

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I suggest that federal laws -- however
>> obscure they may be -- take precedence over state laws where they
>> exist and when the federal law is more stringent. The federal law,
>> as it appears in the Communications Act of 1934 with revisions, etc,
>> says that you may not intentionally or deliberatly receive radio
>> transmissions not intended for yourself, nor may you benefit from  ...

OOPS!  statute says "communications".  A simple un-modulated carrier,
or for that matter a carrier modulated with a _constant_ signal does
*not* qualify as "communication".

Furthermore, you _are_ allowed to *listen* to any such "communications"
(with the exception of the analog cell-phone frequency band),
intentionally and/or deliberately.  There's an entire specalized
hobby, a branch of 'short wave listening', that concentrates on
'collecting' various kinds of 'commercial' (*NOT* broadcast) radio
transmissions.  Including sending notices to the originating station,
and requesting a confirmation that it -was- them that they heard.  An
exotic form of "QSL card" collecting.  

Trivia: Ship-to-shore telephone, from ships _far_ out at sea, and
before it was mostly all on satellite relay, was considered a prime
catch.

The things forbidden by the Communications Act, as amended, etc.
are:

    1) disclosing the _content_ of the communication to any third party
       without the _express_ permission of all of the parties involved
       in that conversation.  Note: you _are_ allowed to disclose to the
       _participants_ in that conversation.

    2) retransmitting/rebroadcasting the communication without the express
       permission of the sending party.

    3) *using* the _content_ of the communication for your own benefit/gain.

These restrictions do _not_ apply with regard to a radio services
operated by a public-service arm of a bona-fide government body.
e.g. police, fire dept, etc.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 12:22:31 +0000
From: Adam Sampson <azz@gnu.org>
Reply-To: azz@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)


Robert Berntsen <rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no> wrote:

> Incidentally, 220 v is also a rare voltage. Most of Europe is at 230
> volt 50 Hz, UK has 240 v /50 Hz (nominally).

Nope, we (the UK) are actually at nominal 230v now to comply with
European standards. The change was made by first specifying nominal
230v with a wide enough voltage range that 240v met the standard, and
then narrowing the range over the last couple of years.


Adam Sampson
azz@gnu.org

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 22:08:42 +0000
From: Graeme Thomas <graeme@graemet.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Long Distance Power Transmission (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN)


In article <telecom19.563.6@telecom-digest.org>, Robert Berntsen
<rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no> writes

> Incidentally, 220 v is also a rare voltage. Most of Europe is at 230
> volt 50 Hz, UK has 240 v /50 Hz (nominally).

A couple of years ago this "changed".  Continental Europe was mainly
220V, and the UK was 240V.  They simultaneously changed the
specifications so that it was a standard 230V.  However, the permissable
range covers 24V in the UK, and 22V in the rest of Europe, and I don't
think that any of the power companies actually changed voltage.


Graeme Thomas

------------------------------

From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: >WHOOP<    >WHOOP<    URBAN LEGEND ALERT!
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 13:57:26 PST
Organization: Shadownet


LarryFinch@worldnet.att.net (Larry Finch) writes:

> Michael G. Koerner wrote:

>> One of the BIGGEST drawbacks to DC is that it cannot be transmitted
>> more than a few kilometers.  We would need powerplants in nearly every
>> neighborhood had DC been the selected standard.

> You have it backwards. One of the ADVANTAGES of long distance DC power
> transmission is that it has no corona loss, so towers don't have to be
> as high and voltages can be higher. It thus is transmitted at lower
> currents and can be transmitted much further.

Huh? Corona loss *does* have a frequency dependence, but at 60 Hz it's
pretty damn small. The *voltage* dependence is far greater. 

> It can also be carried on one wire, rather than three.

You mean *two* wires. Using the ground as a "return for the sort of
power levels you are talking about is *not* advisable. It tends to
create a *major* hazard zone around your grounding points.

One of the big reasons for looking into DC transmission is the
availability of "high temp" superconductors.

mrs@kithrup.com (Mike Stump) writes:

> In article <telecom19.554.5@telecom-digest.org>, <ranck@joesbar.cc.
> vt.edu> wrote:

>> I'm sorry, but you are just plain wrong on this.  High-tension lines,
>> at least in the USofA are almost exclusively AC.  I think there are
>> some DC testbed lines set up, but not to any great extent.

> In http://nepa.eh.doe.gov/eis/eis0145/eis0145_1.html we see:

>   In April 1988, BPA published the Intertie Development and Use (IDU)
>   eis.  This eis studied the environmental and economic effects of the
>   use of the Intertie, including the Third AC Intertie.  AC Intertie
>   capacity after addition of the Third AC is expected to be
>   approximately 4,800 megawatts (MW).  Including the Third AC, total
>   Federal and non-Federal Intertie capacity will be approximately 7,900
>   MW -- 4,800 MW on the two AC lines and 3,100 MW on the DC lines.
>   BPA's September 1988 Record of Decision explained the decision to
>   proceed with the Third AC construction project.  At that time, BPA's
>   decision on requests for non-Federal ownership access to the added
>   capacity was deferred to the NFP eis process.

> DC accounts for about half of the Intertie capacity.  If you wonder
> who BPA is, they are the people that light California.

Actually, BPA (Bonneville Power Administration) provides power to the
Pacific Northwest from various dams on the Columbia River, including
Bonneville Dam. They export a lot of *excess* power capacity to
California. And because of that, they wound up in charge of the
Intiertie between the PNW power grid and the Southern California grid. 

The BPA main offices are only a few miles from where I'm typing this. 

BTW, California had better be looking for alternate power sources. We
are seriously considering getting rid of most of the dams providing the
power they buy. 

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But they do put out about the same
> amount of light. I do not know how or why. Look at any large office
> in the USA and the type of lighting. Always 25 or 40 watt flourescent
> tubes but the room is quite bright. I'd be interested in knowing how
> they make them to be 'warm', 'cool', and 'daylight' (which, if used
> in a large room really do make it seem as though sunlight is the
> source being used.).  PAT]

They get them by varying the phospor mix in the coating on the inside
of the tube. 

Fluorescents get their name from the way they work.

Inside the tube is a tiny bit of mercury vapor. It gets ionized, and
gives of light. But most of this light is at wavelengths we don't want.
Some blue, some green, and a *lot* of UV. 

So they coat the inside of the tube with a mix of various compounds
that convert the UV (and maybe even some of the blue) to lower
frequencies. The colors from the compounds mix to give an approximation
of white light. 

So you get the different types by controlling which colors are
produced, and in what proportions.


Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You mention getting rid of most of the
dams which supply the California power. Is the Godde Dam one that
belongs to BPA or someone else?  If it is the property of BPA, is 
Godde Dam one that is planned to be sold?  (No snickering please,
the dam was named after a person named Mr. Godde when it was built
quite a number of years ago.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 10:08:03 EST
Subject: Those Pesky Lamps


> but couldn't we at least spell this right:

>           F L U O R S C E N T

  Evidently not.  It's F L U O R E S C E N T.

The other way, it looks like something that glows in the dark and
smells real bad.


Bill


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No Bill, the thing that 'smells
real bad' is PUTRESCENT ... its state after it has putrified.   PAT]

------------------------------

From: orin@wolfenet.COM (Orin Eman)
Subject: Re: Flourescent Lamps (was Re: >WHOOP< >WHOOP< URBAN LEGEND ALERT!)
Date: 22 Nov 1999 06:47:30 GMT
Organization: Wolfe Internet Access, L.L.C


orin@wolfenet.COM (Orin Eman) writes:

> And the spelling police have their foot firmly planted in their
> mouth.  Try fluorescent, or even florescent.

Me too.  Of course, while a valid word, florescent has nothing
to do with fluorescent.


Orin

------------------------------

From: bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Urban Legend Alert
Date: 21 Nov 1999 13:10:53 GMT
Organization: Not Much


In article <telecom19.563.5@telecom-digest.org>, Robert Berntsen
<rb@tandberg.REMOVE.no> wrote:

> evans_the_swim@tesco.net wrote in message ...

>> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999 20:42:22 EST, Wlevant@aol.com (Bill Levant) wrote:

>>>> A fairly recent magazine article describes how one enterprising
>>>> amateur radio operator keeps his HT battery charged up by rectifying
>>>> RF from a nearby AM radio station.

> Just a simple thought:

> If the transmitter has an RF output of 100 kW, and transmits this to a
> half sphere, it will yield approx 0.2 W pr. square meter at a distance
> of 300 meters. So it can be done if you have a fairly efficient
> antenna, big enough, and are sufficiently close to the transmitting
> antenna.

Actual energy density is considerably higher, because it is -not-
transmitted over a half-sphere.  Considerable effort goes into
"compressing" it into a narrow range near the horizontal.

Modern stations operate with 'effective power output' of
half-a-megawatt and more.  This with a licensed maximum of 50kw input
to the final amplifier.

Now, based on Bernsten's calculation above, 500kW effective should 
be good for 1.0w/square meter.

> However, using a solar cell, would be a much easier and probably a
> much cheaper way of charging the battery.

The advantage I can see to the RF charger is it works _at_night_, as 
well as in the case of bad weather.

In a farm setting, it's likely to be quite 'practical' to throw up
a few hundred yards/meters worth of 'antenna'.

> I think, however, such stories are quit amusing, and that is the most
> important part or ...

------------------------------

From: Steve Hayes <stevehayes@compuserve.com>
Subject: Light Bulbs (and Other Stuff)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 1999 16:51:10 -0000


Hi Pat and everyone,

In TELECOM Digest, V19, No. 559, Pat asked a couple of questions about
light bulbs. Although I'm not a lighting engineer, I've somehow
managed to pick up a few basics about the subject. Here goes -- hope
it's reasonably interesting.

Everyone knows that an incandescent light bulb has a filament (usually
tungsten) which is heated to white heat by an electric current. The
hotter the filament is, the more light it gives off (relative to the
heat produced) and the bluer (less red or yellow tinted) the light
will be. This is as others have pointed out regarding black body
radiation.

The surface of the sun is at something like (from memory)
6000K. However, tungsten melts at about 3700K so an incandescent light
filament has to be kept much cooler than the sun and the light is
always going to be more yellowish than sunlight is. Our eyes don't
notice this so much but a colour photo taken by incandescent light
with a daylight film comes out all wrong.

The big limit on filament temperature is that, even below its melting
point, the tungsten gradually evaporates and ends up on the inside of
the glass bulb. This causes the glass to darken and eventually the
filament will fail.  Lowering the temperature even just a little bit
greatly reduces the evaporation and lengthens the bulb life a lot, but
it also means much less light for the input power.

The electrical resistance of the filament rises quickly with its
temperature. It is about ten times more when the bulb is on as when it
is cold, hence the inrush current when a bulb is first turned on. This
resistance change means that the bulb can tolerate moderate changes in
voltage (10%) with much less change in filament temperature than you
would expect. This effect is also sometimes used to stabilise
oscillators or power amplifier bias circuits using a bulb which never
gets hot enough to actually light up.

If part of the filament is thinner than the rest, it will tend to get
hotter. Its resistance will be higher and it will get even hotter (P=I
squared times R). Tungsten will evaporate more quickly and it will get
even thinner. Eventually it will fail. It will fail quicker if the
bulb is turned on and off a lot. The thin bit sees the big inrush
current. It heats up quicker than the rest and for a moment gets very
hot. This effect can also be seen with some tubes/valves (remember
those) where the heater ends flare brightly when the thing is first
turned on before they settle down to an orange glow as the bulk of the
cathode heats up.

Normally, a bulb is designed for a particular life (e.g. 1000
hours). The designer has some idea of the filament quality and the
current and chooses a filament thickness that will heat up at that
current to the point where evaporation should cause it to fail after
the design life. The resulting temperature decides the efficiency of
the bulb. A higher current bulb has a thicker filament which can
tolerate more evaporation. It will be designed to run a bit hotter
than a low current bulb. That is why a 100W bulb gives more light than
two 60W bulbs (one of Pat's questions). It is also why a low voltage
bulb of a particular wattage is more efficient than a higher voltage
bulb.

A long-life bulb is a good bit less efficient than a standard
bulb. For the same light output, you could use a lower wattage
standard bulb and save far more on your electricity bill than you
spend on extra bulbs. Long life bulbs should only be used where the
bulb is hard to change. Of course, a fluorescent bulb might be a
better choice. As for those things that go into the light socket and
extend the life of the bulb: they drop the voltage and ruin the
efficiency of the bulb.

There used to be a bulb type called "photoflood" which gave a very
bright light but only lasted about half an hour. I wonder if they
still exist.

If the bulb is filled with a halogen gas (fluorine?), there is a
chemical reaction which causes evaporated tungsten to be redeposited
on the hot filament. These bulbs can run hotter for the same
life. They are more efficient and give a less yellow light.
Unfortunately, the gas reacts with glass so they use quartz instead
which makes them expensive. Low voltage halogen bulbs are common in
spotlights, desk lamps and car headlights.

There is unlikely to be any difference which would prevent using a DC
bulb on AC so long as the AC rms voltage matches the design DC
voltage. Often though the voltage doesn't seem to be marked, perhaps
to deter bulb thieves.  I wonder if there might be a problem using an
AC bulb on DC, in particular if it might arc dangerously when the
filament fails?

Now to get a bit of relevance to telecoms: One way to extend the life
of bulbs which turn on and off a lot is to pass a current through the
bulb even when it is off (e.g. by putting a resistor across the switch
contacts). The current is chosen so that the bulb doesn't quite light
up but the inrush current when the switch closes is much less. This
used to be done with phone switchboard lamps. Nowadays, we would use
LEDs.

An interesting experiment can be done using a CD or CD-ROM. If you
look at the colours in its reflection of a light source, you can see
the spectrum.  With sunlight, the red and blue light looks about equal
with the green much brighter (response of the eye, I imagine). With an
ordinary light bulb, the red is much stronger than the blue. With a
quartz-halogen bulb, the blue is still weak but not as much so. A
fluorescent is the most interesting. You should see several distinct
colours from the various phosphors instead of a continuous
spectrum. Perhaps someone else will report the differences with the
various types of fluorescent tube.

Now on some completely different topics:

Something like 30 years ago, I remember my dad mentioning the farmer
who, in his version, was prosecuted for heating his chicken coop with
electricity tapped with a coil from a nearby power line. I assumed the
farmer was in the UK but perhaps not. Anyway, the story has been
around a long time. I'm as sceptical as anyone else about whether this
could really produce any detectable heat or light.

There was a question about the rate for sending junk faxes to the US
from the UK. Recently some of the smaller carriers here have been
advertising rates of 2 to 3p (about 5 US cents) per minute to the
US. This is cheaper than a local call is here! I don't see that they
can make a profit but I suppose they hope that people who sign up will
call other countries as well.  In a few months I expect they will
quietly put the rates back up to the usual 8p or so. Even that isn't
too much for a junk faxer to pay to evade regulations.

Like most radio receivers, radar detectors use superheterodyne
circuits.  They have local oscillators which may radiate and this is
what radar detector detectors must pick up. Some radar detectors claim
to be undetectable. I suppose their local oscillators are better
screened.



Steve Hayes
South Wales, UK


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for sending along some
very interesting responses to bring an end to the three threads
noted above on RADAR, stealing electricity to heat chicken houses,
and the discussion about light bulbs of one kind or another.
They were all quite interesting threads, but we need to get back
to telecom now, don't you think?  If anyone has any final very
precise, very concise, *short* comments to add, I'll run them
Tuesday maybe ... or if anyone knows the disposition of Godde Dam,
which was quite a tourist attraction at one time, I'll print
that. Otherwise, let's try telecom again for awhile.    PAT]

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TELECOM Digest     Mon, 22 Nov 99 14:37:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 569

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    ATT Ex-Vanguard Maine CDPD System Refusing All Roamers? (Doug Reuben)
    Re: Possible ANI Failure? (Dennis K. Wong)
    Re: Possible ANI Failure? (Diamond Dave)
    C. I. Host (Fred Atkinson)
    EXchange Name Project (G.A. Vandercook)
    Cellular Prefix Number in China (H.S. Jung)
    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (Justa Lurker)
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From: Doug Reuben <dsr1@interpage.net>
Subject: ATT Ex-Vanguard Maine CDPD System Refusing All Roamers?
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 04:56:18 -0800
Organization: Interpage Network Svcs * www.interpage.net
Reply-To: <dsr1@interpage.net>


Over the weekend, one of the people who works for Interpage was in
Maine and reported to me that they were unable to connect to the
ex-Vanguard now-ATT CDPD (data) network using their AT&T IP.

AT&T CDPD customers have historically been able to roam onto Vanguard
CDPD properties, indeed, when I used to have an unlimited AT&T
Nationwide CDPD account I used it in Maine many times and found
Vanguard's coverage to be excellent. (Indeed, the primary reason I had
AT&T as my CDPD carrier was to use in Vanguard, and when they
discontinued the nationwide plan I asked AT&T "Since you have already
acquired Vanguard, will Vanguard be included in your unlimited rate?"
and after a few weeks of checking, they said "No, not yet" [which I
found to be quite odd] so I switched from them to Bell Atlantic, which
has and is building out an extensive CDPD system in the Northeast,
significantly larger than AT&T's even with the Vanguard acquisition --
see an upcoming post about *extensive* new BAMS CDPD in Southern New
Hampshire)

The problem with AT&T IP numbers in the ex-Vanguard Maine system seems
to be that they for some reason show as registered to the AT&T network
in Seattle (or Redmond), yet they will NOT register the roaming mobile
side, ie, the person who takes his laptop to Maine and tries to
register simply can not.  Instead, the mobile gets "no response from
network" followed almost immediately by "no given reason" from the
result window in the CDPD connection software which is used to
administer your CDPD connection (we use Watcher).

While the "no response from network" is a common response for AT&T
CDPD customers in many areas of New Jersey where AT&T *thinks*
(wishes? hopes?  ;) ) their coverage overlaps BAMS more extensive
network (but generally less robust; BAMS's network seems to spend more
time "initializing encryption" and sending overhead messages back and
forth than sending any actual data in the NY/NJ Metro Market! VERY
frustrating!) and tries to block AT&T CDPD customers from roaming onto
BAMS, it is not common at all to ever see the "no reason given"
message.

With this in mind, I wanted to try out my BAMS IP on the ex-Vanguard
Maine system, and EXACTLY the same thing happened. Normally, as a BAMS
CDPD customer, I get a "Not authorized for SPNI 766", meaning that
BAMS doesn't want to let me roam on the ex-Vanguard network in
Maine. This time, however, it didn't do that, and just flatly refused
to do anything other than return the "no reason given".

I'm wondering if anyone else (assuming anyone else uses CDPD :) ) has
had this experience with the ex-Vanguard properties lately. We also
had a similar problem with "Trust Enabling" in the ex-Vanguard
Allentown/Scranton, PA market two weeks ago, but AT&T fixed it.

(I get the impression that AT&T is so cheap about allowing their
people to roam that they go to such lengths to prevent roaming on
"undesirable" systems to the extent that it adversely affects their
customers -- there aren't all too many CDPD customers out there
precisely because it can be so cumbersome to travel outside AT&T's
relatively small coverage areas -- don't make it harder on them by
playing games with roaming and denying service.)

Finally, assuming anyone does use CDPD in Maine (except the local
police, etc.), there is a system in Augusta which does not appear to
be part of the ex-Vanguard system. It comes in right where the Maine
Turnpike ends and meets up with I-95 (they are separate up
there). I've never been able to access it (always a "not authorized
for network") and no one at AT&T seems to know or care what it
is. (They have this perhaps deserved smugness about how superior their
network is and tend to scorn at the "other" carriers; I agree their
network is a lot "smoother" and robust but their footprint in the
Northeast is pathetic and with BAMS's recent expansions in CT and very
recently Southern New Hampshire they need to buy a lot more than
Vanguard to catch up.)

BTW, for people who aren't familiar with CDPD, CDPD service is offered
by Bell Atlantic, AT&T, GTE, Ameritech, SNET (including the RI A
side), Comcast (I think they gave up), BC Tel, and the local telco in
Nova Scotia(?), and perhaps one or two other carriers in the US. CDPD
service operates over cellular frequencies yet is IP packet-based,
giving you a permanent, fixed IP just like you would have if you
obtained a dedicated dialup from a landline company like UUNET or PSI,
etc. With CDPD, you can have full IP functionality (wirelessly!),
including FTP, Telnet/Secure Telnet, Ping, Traceroute, and
HTTP/WWW/SSL just as you would from a landline Internet
connection. 

Speeds aren't great, but you never have to log out, and you can take
your laptop anywhere there is CDPD coverage and use it like you were
connected to a telephone line or fixed Internet connection. People can
FTP, Telnet, Ping, etc., to you if you so allow them to and have the
software to support it on your local system. AT&T and BAMS (and maybe
GTE now) offer flat rate (unlimited) usage plans, starting at $39.95
per month for BAMS (800-308-DATA)and up to $70.00 per month for AT&T
(800-552-3373) which allows unlimited use anywhere in their network
(LA is coming online soon; it is the largest city in the US without
CDPD coverage; San Diego to the south and Bakersfield to the northeast
has it with GTE and Ventura to the northwest has it with AT&T).

Anyhow, any info on what is going on with AT&T's CDPD service in
Maine, as well as any general observations about the systems in that
area would be welcomed.


Thanks!

Doug

dsr1@interpage.net
Interpage Network Services
http://www.interpage.net
+1 (617) 696-8000
(This post is also available on Wireless Notes at
http://www.wirelessnotes.org)

------------------------------

From: Dennis K. Wong <dkwong@sfu.ca>
Subject: Re: Possible ANI Failure?
Date: 22 Nov 1999 17:07:05 GMT
Organization: Simon Fraser University


Buttmunch <mhex2@iname.com> wrote:

> I recently used the service available from http://www.dialpad.com .

> Basically this service allows you to call anywhere within the US free
> of charge to you. I assume that it uses some form of VOIP. Well
> anyway, I decided to call an ANI voice readback number. The readback
> number that I use is: 1-800-346-0152. It just keeps on ringing and
> doesn't pick up. I figured that there was some sort of problem with

Probably when the ANI readback occurs, there isn't any answer
supervision provided by the carrier that reads back the ANI.  As for
dialpad.com, the ringing tone you hear while you wait for it to
connect is "fake" and is generated by the system itself.  It overrides
the "real" ringing tone or other tones at the destination before
cutting you through when answer supervision is provided on the other
end.  I tried calling an 800 number which is a "home-country direct"
number which connects you to an operator in another country.  I called
the one for China (they have a different ringing tone than North
America), and heard the "fake" North American ringing tone before
there was answer.

------------------------------

From: Diamond Dave <bbscornerSPAMBLOCK@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Possible ANI Failure?
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:08:54 -0500
Organization: Verio


On Sun, 21 Nov 1999 13:52:43 -0600, Buttmunch <mhex2@iname.com> wrote:

> I recently used the service available from http://www.dialpad.com .

Oh, you mean that service that only seems to work half the time, and
when it does it doesn't work right? (grin)

> Basically this service allows you to call anywhere within the US free
> of charge to you. I assume that it uses some form of VOIP. Well
> anyway, I decided to call an ANI voice readback number. The readback
> number that I use is: 1-800-346-0152. It just keeps on ringing and
> doesn't pick up. I figured that there was some sort of problem with
> it, so I called from my phone. It gave me a readback to the PBX number
> that I am on. So I deduced from that there is no problem with the 800
> ANI readback number.

The problem with Dialpad is that you get FAKE ringing or FAKE busy
signal generated by that Java applet on your computer. You do not get
ANY progress tones from the real PSTN! And if the number you dial
never answers, or the telco network sends you to a recorded message
(i.e. number not in service) all you get is fake ringing.

If the called party answers, the number sends back "answer supervision"
where the calling telco can start billing.

The problem with the infamous 800 number you put up is that it does
NOT return answer supervision (i.e. no billing, even though it is a
800 number) so dialpad won't work. All you get is that annoying
ringing!

> Doing further investigation I used my free personal 1-800 number
> available through http://www.ureach.com . I left myself a voice
> message. I then proceeded to check which number that it had originated
> from. It said that it was unknown.  I then proceeded to check my call
> detail report. It listed the number as unknown.

Simple, Dialpad does not send ANI information. Not all systems do send
ANI. PBX systems from large companies (and telemarketers) are famous
for not sending ANI. Also some small market cheezy IXCs (long distance
carriers) do not send ANI.

> Now my question is, is it possible that dialpad could be causing
> some kind of ANI failure? In dialpad's FAQ it mentions somewhere that
> all 800 numbers are routed to a special underutilized gateway. I
> remember reading somewhere that party phone lines are capable of
> causing an ANI failure.  1-800-487-9240 has since been redirected to
> another service, and I can't tell which code that it is giving for the
> failure. Any answers would to this puzzling question would be
> appreciated.

When I tried calling myself on my regular POTS line, my caller ID said
"out of area" which is normal for when the calling party is not
sending ANI info.

While I'm at it, I tried calling AT&T's infamous 800 number
800-CALL-ATT and the operator comes on the line with the automated
response when there is an ANI failure -- "AT&T, What number are you
calling from please?"

So Dialpad is definately NOT sending ANI. But then again, maybe its a
good thing!


Dave Perrussel
Webmaster - Telephone World
http://phworld.tal-on.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:09 EST
From: Fred Atkinson <fatkinson@mishmash.com>
Organization: Personal Copy
Subject: C. I. Host


    I've been using a Web hosting provider by the hame of C. I. Hosts
to host my 'mishash.com' and my 'hamsearch.com' site.  

    The 'hamsearch.com' site is completely CGI driven since it is a
search engine.  

    When I established my site with them over six months ago, they
tried to make the main account 'mishmash' (mishmash@mishmash.com).
 Since I run a mailing list called 'mishmash' and since I intended
to move my mailing list to that address, I told them that this was
unacceptable.  They made the main account 'fatkinson' which is my first
initial followed by my last name.  However, this arrangement prevented
my mailing list controls from working.  I'd asked them to try to fix
this so I could move the 'Mishmash' mailing list to my Web site.  So
far, no results on that issue.  

    In the last couple of months, I've had two incidents of them
changing the file ownerships from 'fatkinson' to 'mishmash'.  In both
cases, when I asked them to change it back, the CGI on my site stopped
working (which meant my search engine was dead in the water).  Last
time, they fixed it after I held on hold for a long time before
finally getting picked up on their ACD to technical support.  After
some to do, they finally got it working again.

    Two nights ago, I tried to upload some files to my Web site.  I
discovered that they rejected me.  When I logged onto the site via
Telnet, I discovered that once again they had changed all my file
ownerships back to 'mishmash'.  I called and demanded that they undo
the damage they had done.  The on duty person changed my ownerships
back to 'fatkinson'.  

    At that point, my CGI went down again.  I tried to call back and
was held at bay by their ACD for an inordinate amount of time.  Finally,
I gave up and sent them a ticket by email.  As of the next morning,
the problem had *not* been resolved.  

    Twice yesterday I held on hold on their ACD for over an hour and
was never picked up by the technical support person in either case.
 So, again I sent a complaint via email.  This morning I got an email
response saying that the problem (that I demanded a recursive change
of file ownerships to 'mishmash') had been resolved.  When I checked
the site, my CGI was still not working.  I sent them an email informing
them of that fact.  

    I am looking for some suggestions as to how I can resolve this
with them on a permanent basis (file ownerships are not changed, CGI
scripting is fixed, and they fix the list controls so I can finally
move my mailing list to my Web site).  

    I am also looking for a cost effective host of better quality that
I can move my site to.  Can anyone with a good hosting provider send
me a private email (fatkinson@mishmash.com) and share their
experiences with me?  I am also working with a local radio club to
find a good quality provider to set up their Web site, so their would
be a possibility of having two accounts.

    Thanks for any support you can provide.  


Fred

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 03:18:57 -0500
From: G.A. Vandercook <trafficgard@earthlink.net>
Subject: EXchange Name Project


Patrick,

Any idea where this has moved to?  I'm not a big phone phreak but visit
sites frequently (OK, so I'm a little phone phreak) and my bookmark for
the EXchange name project didn't work.  Hope we didn't lose that gem.


gav

http://home.earthlink.net/~trafficgard/m40intro.html
mailto://trafficgard@earthlink.net

------------------------------

From: H.S. Jung <hsjung@nuri.net>
Subject: Cellular Prefix Number in China
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:14:12 +0900
Organization: Inet Internet Services


Hello,

I need the information on the cellular prefix number which is being
put into service in China.

Any comment on this would be really appreciated!


Best regards,

HS Jung

------------------------------

From: /dev/null@.com (Justa Lurker)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Organization: Anonymous People
Reply-To: jlurker@bigfoot.com
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:57:32 GMT


It was Sun, 21 Nov 1999 11:40:53 GMT, and John_David_Galt@acm.org
(John David Galt) wrote in comp.dcom.telecom:

>>       <ftp://ftp.atis.org/pub/clc/inc/interim5.doc>

> Quotations that follow are from the report.

> First an assumption which seems to be so automatic to INC that the report
> does not even state it, but just avoids any consideration of alternatives
> that reject it.  The assumption is that the length of each NPA code will
> be the same, and the length of each number will be the same.

It does make it easier to write numbers when the groupings are
consistant.  We are going to have a major transition period to
whatever system they choose.  Hopefully they will extend the length of
the non NPA part of the code -- otherwise it's a waste to expand.

>>	v) location portability will be supported throughout any given
>> portability pooling area and will not be restricted to rate centers; and 

> This is a bad idea, as it will defeat the ability of customers to know
> (from NPA+prefix) whether a given call will be a toll call.

Two options that will evolve over the next 15 years is how to pay for
the ported numbers.  Either caller pays, and the rates are negligible
so people don't care if it is across town or country, or callee pays
the difference to keep the same number when leaving the rate center.

| 212 NXX XXXX becomes 29 212 NXX XXXX
| 972 NXX XXXX becomes 490 NXX0 XXXX0
| 702 NXX XXXX becomes 7020 NXX0 XXXX
| 307 NXX XXXX becomes 30700 NXX XXXX

You have a big problem here.  Only the n9x numbers are reserved for
longer than ten digit numbering.  And massive conversion tables would
be needed to identify how each NPA changed.


JL

------------------------------

From: roy@endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith)
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?
Organization: NYU School of Medicine, Educational Computing
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 10:02:13 -0500


bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

> Das 'blinking lights' are required by the FCC (co-operating with the FAA)
> on any tower more than 300' above ground level.  

> The _quick_ way to get it fixed is notify any handy FCC field office

Lights on towers go out all the time.  From the FAA side, what's done is
to issue a NOTAM (NOtice To AirMen), warning pilots about the problem, and
there's lots of them.  I just did a quick scan for NOTAMS containing the
word "TOWER" for a 100 mile radius of White Plains, NY and found:

!TEB 08/022 TEB TOWER UNKN (250 AGL) 1.5 NE LGTS OTS
!TEB 08/014 TEB TOWER UNKN (250 AGL) 4.53 NE LGTS OTS
!DXR 11/012 DXR TOWER 999 (75 AGL) 1 3/8 SE LGTS OTS
!DXR 11/011 DXR TOWER 756 (100 AGL) 7/8 W LGTS OTS
!DXR 11/007 DXR TOWER 701 (UNKN) 7/8 E LGTS OTS
!MIV 10/017 N07 TOWER 722 (503 AGL) 5 NNE LGTS OTS
!EWR 10/117 EWR TOWER 405 (280 AGL) 3.79 N LGTS OTS
!POU 11/001 POU TOWER UNKN (893 AGL) 9.5 NW LGT OTS
!BDR 11/017 N41 TOWER 1310 (350AGL) 3ESE UNLGTD
!MIV 10/061 3N6 TOWER UNKN (240 AGL) 6.48 SSE LGTS OTS
!BLM 11/001 BLM TOWER UNKN (201 AGL) 4.50 NE LGTS OTS
!BLM 10/006 BLM TOWER 302 (202 AGL) 4.31 ENE LGTS OTS
!BLM 09/001 BLM TOWER 571 (455 AGL) 3.45 NE LGTS OTS
!HTO 08/002 HTO TOWER 330 (220 AGL) 4.99 N LGTS OTS
!MIV 10/027 N12 TOWER 246 (210 AGL) 3 NE LGTS OTS
!MIV 11/027 N40 TOWER 703 (UNK) 3.93 SE LGTS OTS
!MIV 11/024 N87 TOWER UNKN (201 AGL) 3.4 E LGTS OTS
!IPT 11/058 9N1 TOWER 620 (510 AGL) 4 W LGTS OTS
!MJX 06/004 MJX TOWER 1049 (937 AGL) 18.4 SE LGTS OTS
!MPO 10/003 MPO TOWER UNK (260 AGL) 3.6 S LGTS OTS
!MPO 10/002 MPO TOWER 2123 (202 AGL) 3 SSE LGTS OTS
!MIV 10/029 2N6 TOWER UKN (200 AGL) 4.31 NE LGTS OTS
!IPT 09/064 N67 TOWER 779 (361 AGL) 4.81 S LGTS OTS

Translating the first one into English, "22nd NOTAM issued in the 8th
month of this year for Teterboro Airport, tower, unknown height above sea
level (250 feet above ground level), 1.5 nautical miles northeast of
Teterboro, lights out of service".  Notice that some of these have been
out for months; I see one (5th from the bottom) that's been out since
June, and that's almost a thousand footer.  Makes you wonder exactly how
"_quick_" is defined :-)


Roy Smith <roy@popmail.med.nyu.edu>
New York University School of Medicine

------------------------------

From: phoenix@visi.com
Subject: How to Find Telecom Costs For Japan and China?
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 11:38:19 CST


The company that I work for is looking at expanding into international
locations.  I was able to find the costs for most of the countries I
needed but can find nothing (at least in English) regarding Japan and
China.  The location in Japan would be Tokyo and in China it would be
Shanghai.  I've gotten in touch with NTT's New York office but haven't
heard anything back.  I don't even know where to start in China.

I need to find out what it costs to have a standard telephone line
installed, as well as the monthly charges for the line.  No outbound
traffic on the line is anticipated so usage charges aren't important.  If
there is additional cost for having the number unpublished, I need to know
that too.  If anyone has direct experience with phone costs in these
countries or can point me to an English-language source of information
that *does*, I'd be appreciative.  


Thanks in advance, 

Tim Petlock
phoenix@visi.com

------------------------------

From: Wayne S. Mery <wsm0@ns5-1.CC.Lehigh.EDU>
Subject: SANYO Phones?
Date: 22 Nov 1999 16:46:22 GMT
Organization: Lehigh University


Interested in the SANYO CLT-986. Best prices after extensive search
are $219 and $210 at phone-guys and soundradio respectively.  (Price
at introduction in Sept '97 was $299.) To say there is little feedback
posted here to the NGs is an understatement. 

- Any info known about the new model supposed to be out 1Q-2Q 2000?
- Positive or negative experiences of SANYO DSS models in general?
- handset speakerphone experience?
- Better prices to be found anywhere?
- Has SANYO reworked it's distribution channels or having trouble?

Vendors of SANYO phones are hard to find I found several stores and
web sites in the past few days that stopped carrying them in the past
year or two. 


TIA,

Wayne S. Mery        | Systems Programmer, Lehigh University  610-758-3983
wsm0@lehigh.edu      | http://www.lehigh.edu/~wsm0         
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Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 13:09:46 -0500
From: Ted Byfield <tbyfield@panix.com>
Subject: ICANN Article


I've written a short article about ICANN, in particular, about two
lawyers for the law firm Jones Day Reavis and Pogue (Joe Sims and
Louis Touton), who have played very central roles in the lurching
process by which ICANN mutated from a "new IANA" into an entity
positioned to promulgate intellectual property policy globally.

     <http://tbtf.com/roving_reporter/jdrp.html>

This article is the first entry in a column/log that I'll be writing
for Keith Dawson's TBTF, which some of you may know as a free
newsletter.

     <http://tbtf.com/>

The current issue of TBTF is available at:

     <http://tbtf.com/archive/current-issue.html>

Instead of just recommending TBTF, I'll say this: I liked it so much I
decided to contribute.


Cheers,

Ted

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Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Operation Opt-Out: Portals (Monty Solomon)
    Re: Need Link for CO Information (Leonard Erickson)
    Caller ID Passed From ATT to Bell Atlantic to Local Provider (Randy Fine)
    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (Al Varney)
    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (Arnette P. Schultz)
    DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length (usbcpdx@teleport.com)
    Re: Definitions (Bruce F. Roberts)
    Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure (John R. Levine)
    Dialout Routing to the Best Operator Available For Destination (Cartaxeiro)
    International 800 Service (Jeff Shaver)
    Re: FCC Ruling Aids High-Speed Providers (John Nagle)
    Wireless Firms Seek Worldwide Empires (Monty Solomon)
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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:38:18 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Operation Opt-Out: Portals


http://opt-out.cdt.org/featured/ 

THIS WEEK'S FEATURE: Portals

Dear Concerned Consumer, 

The portals -- major sites designed to be entry pages to the Web --
have begun to offer "personalized services." To use these services --
("My Yahoo," "My Excite," etc. ) - the sites ask you for a lot of
personal information. These personalized sites offer to provide you
only information that fits your interests, but in the process you may
be turning over information that could be sold to others and used in
any number of other ways. For example, if you keep a personal calendar
on paper or on your home computer, anyone, even the government, would
have to come to you if they wanted to read it. Online, however, this
same information could be used by the business who is holding it; sold
to other companies; turned over to the government; or even just given
to a lawyer who subpoenas it without your knowledge and consent.

Most of the portals offer you the ability to give as much or as little
personal information as you would like and some offer the ability to
opt-out of the sale of this information to other companies. We
recommend that you read over the privacy policy of the portal that you
use and take a look at the information that you are providing
them. You should try to limit the amount of personal information that
you turn over to the amount you believe is necessary to get the
service that you desire, often this is no information at all. Also,
look to see if the company says that the information is being shared
with other businesses -- often called "trusted parties" or "advertisers
or business partners." If so, you can probably opt-out of this data 
sharing.

We have provided you with a list of portals on the left. If you use one 
of these portals, you can find their policy and exercise your ability to 
stop them from sharing your data. If your portal is not on this list or 
if you find others to add, please send them on to us - 
suggestions@opt-out.cdt.org. 

Check back because this list will expand as new opt-outs are sent in. If 
you find sites that do not allow you to opt-out online, write to them 
and ask why they don't! 


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From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Need Link for CO Information
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:28:13 PST
Organization: Shadownet


Michael J. Kuras <mkuras@ccs.neu.edu> writes:

> Also, I'm not entirely sure why my speed will be limited; my local
> loop muxes onto a T1-speed Parigain modem not more than a few hunderd
> feet from my demarc.

In that case you can't get DSL *at all*. It doesn't go over digital
links. It uses "extra bandwidth" by using RF over the copper pair. 
With the setup you are on, all you are allocated on that T-1 is your
64k voice channel. And *that* may be "shared" with your neighbors.

So your only choices are ISDN, or something like a fractional T-1.

On the plus side, you won't have to worry about speed losses due to
"shared" bandwidth.


Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com	<--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com	<--last resort

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 23:15:16 EST
From: Randy Fine <comppart@mail.albany.net>
Subject: Caller ID Passed From ATT to Bell Atlantic to Local Provider


Can't seem to get a straight answer from vendors.  Have 800 number
thru ATT.  Bell Atlantic provides dialtone to local telco who connects
800 number to two local telco numbers in hunt group.  Bell says they
can pass ANI to local telco (for small fee). Local says they can
receive ANI from Bell and display caller ID.  ATT will not say if they
provide (or can or will provide) caller ID to Bell. Any ideas,
contacts, etc?


TIA,


Randy Fine
comppart@mail.albany.net

------------------------------

From: varney@ihgp2.ih.lucent.com (Al Varney)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Date: 22 Nov 1999 21:15:08 GMT
Organization: Lucent Technologies, Naperville, IL
Reply-To: varney@lucent.com


In article <telecom19.566.1@telecom-digest.org>,
John David Galt <John_David_Galt@acm.org> wrote:

> Al Varney wrote:

>>    The current perspective of the Industry Numbering Committee can be
>> seen in their recent Draft report:

>>       <ftp://ftp.atis.org/pub/clc/inc/interim5.doc>

> I have read the report and find it rather shortsighted.  Not only is the
> range of options presented overly narrow, but some major decisions are
> made, apparently arbitrarily, without any explanation.

   INC is organized to have discussion and some level of agreement
reached at each meeting.  Anyone could volunteer to take more
extensive notes and report them, thus capturing the reasoning for each
decision.  But INC operates from volunteers, not an army of staff
members.

   I'd agree that the attendees may not have considered every possible
option, but they considered every option PRESENTED.  The ASSUMPTIONS
are crucial, and were perhaps viewed by those too close to the
problem.  On the other hand, if every decision has to be debated for
months, no progress will be made.

   It's not too late to get your comments reviewed -- but you can't do
that via USENET.  The comments have to be officially sent to the INC
Secretary.  I think these go beyond those previously discussed and
deserve some discussion.  Next meeting is in San Francisco,
mid-January-2000 (post-Y2K).


> Am I the only one who feels that the NANP has already been chopped up into
> small enough NPAs, and it would be nice if some of them were recombined?
> Certainly we must increase the total quantity of available numbers, but we
> should not rule out plans that keep the number of NPAs unchanged and just
> increase the quantity of numbers available within each NPA.

   In the list of eliminated options, #13, #14 and #15 would have
resulted in longer Subscriber Numbers, retaining three-digit-only
NPAs.  You might want to examine the previous Expansion Report
(referenced in interim5.doc) to determine why these were rejected.

>>	v) location portability will be supported throughout any given
>> portability pooling area and will not be restricted to rate centers; and 

> This is a bad idea, as it will defeat the ability of customers to know
> (from NPA+prefix) whether a given call will be a toll call.

   Note that this assumption only says the Expansion mechanism has to
SUPPORT such wide-area pooling [restricted to intra-NPA by item iii)].
NANPA Expansion won't automatically change any porting/pooling rules
(mostly rate-center based) in effect.  (You could, of course, send
your Portability/Pooling comments to the INC Secretary for discussion
by the LNPA group.)


Al Varney

------------------------------

From: kityss@ihgp24.ih.lucent.com (Arnette P. Schultz)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Date: 22 Nov 1999 19:35:59 GMT
Organization: Lucent Technologies, Naperville, Il
Reply-To: apschultz@lucent.com


Al Varney wrote:

>>> As well the * codes ie *69 is 1169 why not change 1169 to 11169 etc.
>>> this would allow us to adapt some IUT recommendations ie 112 for police,
>>> fire, ambulance.

>   The use of "*XX" codes is not a NANP issue.  It is a Dialing Plan
> and Numbering Resource issue.  So far as I know, there are NO RULES
> requiring a common meaning for "*XX" and "11XX" codes, nor are LECs
> required to offer any services tied to those codes.  Just look at
> wireless for a precedent.  Certainly there is no desire to tie any
> changes in "*XX" usage and other dialing plan prefixes to the NANP
> Expansion itself.

Not to disagree, especially in a public forum in front of customers
and competitors, with my esteemed co-worker; BUT there is one case in
which the *XX codes have been mandated by a US regulatory agency. The
case of per-call "blocking" and "unblocking" (i.e. CLIR) of calling
party number. The FCC's report and order on Caller ID did set *67 for
per-call blocking and *82 for per-call unblocking.  I believe this
applies to all wireline and wireless public network carriers. They may
have exempted PBXs, due to conflicts with existing codes in older
PBXs, but for public telephone switches these are the codes.

Not that the *XX(X) codes have any real impact on the NANP expansion.


Arnette Schultz
Lucent Technologies

------------------------------

From: usbcpdx@teleport.com
Subject: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:09:30 GMT


My house is 7,900' from the CO as per www.speakeasy.net/dsl/ yet US
Worst reports the copper appears to be 20,000'

Probably bridge taps or some such gubbage but when I ask (nicely) why,
US worst sez I need a supoena to get their plant records.

Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
b) if not, at least find out why?


John Bartley, 
PC sysadmin for a large national government, 
so my opinions are obviously mine own.

------------------------------

From: Bruce F. Roberts <bfr1@att.net>
Subject: Re: Definitions
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:00:20 -0600
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services


Robert Bonomi wrote:

>    RFI        Radio Frequency Interference
>    SHORAN
>    PWM        Pulse Width Modulation
>    NAK        Negative Acknowledgement
>    AVC        Automatic Volume Control
>    CTCSS      Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System
>    SCA        Society For Creative Anachronisms but probably not what you
>               meant.
>    QAM        Quadrature Amplitude Modulation
>    SSB/SC     Single SideBand/Suppressed Carrier
>    UCT        UTC?  Universal Coordinated Time
>    HDX        Half Duplex
>    ERP        Effective Radiated Power
>    TARFU
>    ETB
>    MUNG

------------------------------

Date: 22 Nov 1999 10:26:24 -0500
From: johnl@iecc.com (John R. Levine)
Subject: Re: Junk Fax - Looking For Procedure
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


>> Yes or no -- each with a 900 number to send a fax (for $2.95/minute).

> It would be particularly helpful to know the actual 1-900 numbers being
> used here, and from that be able to identify whatever IXC may be involved.
> Could the details be either posted -- or, if preferred, mailed to me?

On my 21st century junk faxes, I've seen these numbers:

900-370-3200
900-680-3200
900-773-7500
900-773-6777
900-737-8888
900-407-7477
900-454-9300

According to the NANPA list, those are all AT&T.

For junk fax lovers in the UK, here's the contact info they give:

21st Century Faxes
Suite 401
302 Regent St
London W1R 6HH

"helpdesk" 0171 680 0020


John R. Levine, IECC, POB 727, Trumansburg NY 14886 +1 607 387 6869
johnl@iecc.com, Village Trustee and Sewer Commissioner, http://iecc.com/johnl, 
Member, Provisional board, Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial E-mail

------------------------------

From: Hugo Cartaxeiro <hugo@digidoc.pt>
Subject: Dialout Routing to the Best Operator Available For Destination
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 15:09:35 -0000


Hi all,

A few months ago, I read somewhere about a phone device to install
between PABX and the telephone lines, that routes all outgoing calls
to the best operator available for that specific destination (based on
their rates).

The operator rate information would be uploaded by a modem-data call
or some internet connection. This could also be done trough a software
operation on most recent PABX with that capability.

Do you have any pointer on this hardware/device ?

Reply by email to hugo@digidoc.pt. I don't read this newsgroup very often.


Thanks in advance,

Hugo

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 19:57:26 CST
From: Jeff Shaver <00204922@bigred.unl.edu>
Subject: International 800 Service


I am looking for a reliable, inexpensive, true (no PIN) US 800/888/877
number that will ring overseas (Germany), with low/no minimums/fees.
Anyone have any suggestions or know of anyone who might have such a
service?


Thanks,

Jeff Shaver
00204922@bigred.unl.edu

------------------------------

From: John Nagle <nagle@animats.com>
Organization: Animats
Subject: Re: FCC Ruling Aids High-Speed Providers
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:44:53 -0800


Monty Solomon wrote:

> WASHINGTON (CBS.MW) -- Federal regulators say big providers of
> local-phone service must share their conventional, copper lines with
> rivals who offer high-speed Internet access

    This raises a good TELECOM Digest question: How does DSL wiring
actually look at the CO end when DSL and analog voice share the same
pair?  Does the pair go into a splitter, then to a DSL port and an
analog switch port, or is the analog switch port integrated into the
DSL port?  If there's a splitter, where does it go physically?  In the
frame?  At the DSL line card?  Or what?

    Is an analog line guaranteed that a major outage in the DSL gear
can't take down the analog portion of the line?  This is an issue if
vendors share the copper.


John Nagle

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:58:36 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Wireless Firms Seek Worldwide Empires


By John Borland and Corey Grice
Staff Writers, CNET News.com
November 19, 1999, 12:20 p.m. PT

Wireless phone companies are playing a high-stakes acquisition game,
desperately seeking to grab global markets before their competitors
do.

Competition in the wireless world has sparked some of the biggest 
corporate mergers in history, with MCI WorldCom's record-breaking $129 
billion deal for Sprint exceeded only by Vodafone AirTouch's hostile 
$137 billion bid today for German wireless firm Mannesmann. 

http://news.cnet.com/category/0-1004-200-1454002.html 

------------------------------

Reply-To: dov@oz.net
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 06:20:09 -0800
From: Joseph Singer <dov@oz.net>
Subject: Online Map Accuracy (was Re: Need Link for CO Information)


Sat, 20 Nov 1999 09:30:44 EST Michael J. Kuras <mkuras@ccs.neu.edu> wrote:

> The site http://www.dslreports.com maps CO locations to area
> code/exchanges.  The 'deep' url is 
> http://www.dslreports.com/r3/dsl/coinfo. (Dont' want to trigger any
> lawsuits here.  ;)

> I like this site.  It offers what seems to be a thorough, non-biased
> overview of DSL technology & availability. 

Just be cautioned that the maps which are linked through
<http://www.mapblast.com> are not accurate and at least three CO's that I
checked are wrong and off by at least a few blocks.  That said if you go to
http://www.mapquest.com and  type in the A/C plus C.O. code it seems to be
accurate.  The other information  on dslreports.com appears to be accurate.


  Joseph Singer "thefoneguy" <mailto:fones@uswestmail.net>
       PO Box 23135, Seattle WA 98102 USA
             +1 206 405 2052 [voice mail]
                 +1 206 493 0706 [FAX]

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:25:00 -0500
From: Neal McLain <nmclain@compuserve.com>
Subject: Some Final Words on Urban Legends 


Pat wrote:

> If anyone has any final very precise, very concise,
> *short* comments to add, I'll run them Tuesday maybe ... 

OK, I'll try.  One more comment about AC vs. DC, which *does* have a
telecom connection (assuming you concur with the notion that cable
television is telecom).

Cable TV systems use amplifiers spaced every 2000 feet or so to
amplify the broadband signal.  Amplifiers overcome the loss in the
coaxial cable, and also provide sufficient level to drive the drops to
individual residences.

These amplifiers get their power from power supplies scattered
throughout the distribution system.  A typical power supply can power
perhaps a dozen trunk amplifiers, plus the "line extenders" (smaller
amplifiers that amplify short feeder lines that drive residential
drops).

Power supplies are fairly hefty steel boxes, measuring maybe 2 to 12
cubic feet, usually mounted on the side of utility poles.  Each one is
connected to the power company's 115-volt "secondary" line, usually on
the same pole.  Depending on the power company's billing policy, there
may also be an electric meter on the pole, although many power
companies bill cable companies a flat monthly rate per power supply,
just like they bill for streetlights.

The power from the power supply is distributed to the amplifiers over
the same cable that carries the broadband signal.  The typical
distribution voltage in the USA is 60 volts, although 75-volt and
90-volt distribution is has become popular in recent years.

Whatever the voltage, the waveform is a "rounded" AC square wave.  The
power supply itself consists of a stepdown transformer that, when
properly loaded with enough amplifiers, "saturates."  Each half-cycle
of the incoming sine wave is simply clipped off because there isn't
enough iron in the core of the stepdown transformer for the peak part
of the cycle.  A small inductor "rounds" off the corners to eliminate
any spikes that would interfere with the broadband signal itself.

This distribution method has some interesting advantages:

  - As several others have mentioned in this thread,
    at a given voltage, you can send more power using
    DC instead of AC.  By the same token, you can send 
    more power in a square wave than in a sine wave.

  - Each individual amplifier contains a "power pack" 
    (a DC power supply) that converts the AC square wave
    into DC to run the amplifier circuits.  The power 
    pack uses a classic full-wave rectification circuit,
    but filtering the DC is easier: a square wave, when
    full-wave rectified, is practically DC already.

  - This method still retains the advantage of AC over 
    DC distribution: immunity from corrosion at junctions
    of dissimilar metals.  

Some power supplies also contain batteries for backup power during
power outages.  Non-backup power supplies usually occupy a cubic foot
or two; backup power supplies require up to 12 cubic feet.  The
earliest backup power supplies used standard 12-volt car batteries,
but word soon got around that "those big boxes are full of batteries,"
and stolen batteries became a big problem.  Modern backup power
supplies use proprietary batteries that don't fit anything else.

Last laugh: a recurring legend in the cable industry claims that
solar-powered power supplies exist.  You install them under
streetlights so they run all night.


  Neal McLain
  nmclain@compuserve.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:44:58 -0600
From: Gregory Ashley <gashley@uswest.com>
Organization: U S WEST Communications, Inc
Subject: Putrescent Defined?


> Subject: Those Pesky Lamps

>> but couldn't we at least spell this right:

>>           F L U O R S C E N T

>   Evidently not.  It's F L U O R E S C E N T.

> The other way, it looks like something that glows in the dark and
> smells real bad.

> Bill

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: No Bill, the thing that 'smells
> real bad' is PUTRESCENT ... its state after it has putrified.   PAT]

Pat, based on my Webster's dictionary, PUTRESCENT could refer to
something even before it has fully putrified.

> Main Entry: putrescent
> Pronunciation: -s&nt
> Function: adjective
> Etymology: Latin putrescent-, putrescens, present participle of 
             putrescere to grow rotten, inchoative of putrEre
> Date: 1732
> 1 : undergoing putrefaction : becoming putrid
> 2 : of or relating to putrefaction


Greg
402-348-8522

    ( __ )=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=( __ )
     |  |    Greg C. Ashley       gashley@uswest.com    |  |
     |  | Mass Markets & Design Services Analyst  NE/IA |  |
     |__| US WEST Communications, Inc.  Omaha, Nebraska |__|
    (____)=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=(____)

------------------------------

From: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:52:13 -0700
Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Subject: Last Laugh! Changing a Light Bulb


  Q: How many TELECOM Digest mail list subscribers does it take 
  to change a light bulb?
  
  A: 1,206
  
  1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list 
  that the light bulb has been changed;
  
  14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs 
  and how the light bulb could have been changed differently;
  
  7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs;
  
  27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about 
  changing lightbulbs;
  
  53 to flame the spell checkers;
  
  41 to correct spelling/grammar flames;
  
  6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb";
  another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive;
  
  156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb
  discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list;
  
  109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to 
  please take this email exchange to litebulb-l@XXXXXXX.com;
  
  203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and
  illuminati-l at XXXXXXX.com about changing light bulbs be 
  stopped;
 
  111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use 
  light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this 
  mail list;
  
  306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, 
  where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs 
  work best for this technique and what brands are faulty;
  
  27 to post URL's where one can see examples of different 
  light bulbs;
  
  14 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then 
  post the corrected URL's;
  
  3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are 
  relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to 
  this list;
  
  33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all 
  headers and footers and then add "Me too";
  
  12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they
  cannot handle the light bulb controversy;
  
  19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three";
  
  4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ;
  
  44 to ask what is "FAQ";
  
  AND 16 X-Philes to insist that the old bulb may not have been 
  burned out at all -- just unscrewed a little:  the bulb must 
  be sent to a crime lab to see if Dr. Banton's fingerprints 
  are on it.


 From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom
 Visit The NuServer!  http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU
 Visit The Webb!      http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU

 I made a chocolate cake with white chocolate.  Then I took it to a
 potluck.  I stood in line for some cake.  They said, "Do you want white
 cake or chocolate cake?"  I said, "Yes".
         --Steven Wright

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TELECOM Digest     Tue, 23 Nov 99 16:26:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 571

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Gradually, United Adopts Sprint Customs, Traditions (TELECOM Digest Editor)
    Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave? (Daryl R. Gibson)
    Book Review: "Implementing ADSL", David Ginsburg (Rob Slade)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Michael Maxfield)
    Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy? (Cortland Richmond)
    Re: Need Link for CO Information (sam@merritt.houston.tx.us)
    Area Codes in Philipines (Jae)
    Re: How to Find Telecom Costs For Japan and China? (Michi Kaifu)
    Re: How to Find Telecom Costs For Japan and China? (David Esan)
    Re: How to find Telecom Costs for Japan and China? (Robert S. Hall)
    Change in Radio Player (TELECOM Digest Editor)
    Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution (Tad Cook)
    Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length (Myron Harvey)
    Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length (Julian Thomas)
    Re: International 800 Service (Jim Weiss)
    Re: International 800 Service (Jason Fetterolf)
    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (Fred R. Goldstein)
    Re: Online Map Accuracy (was Re: Need Link for CO Information) (C. Dold)
    Re: Upcoming Areacode Changes (Linc Madison)
    For Sale: Dictaphone 10 ch. 550 (Dave Raygor)
    Re: Last Laugh! Changing a Light Bulb (Justa Lurker)

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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:15:50 EST
From: TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Gradually, United Adopts Sprint Customs, Traditions


The long, rather sordid history of Sprint, the long distance carrier
has been discussed so many times in this newsgroup and elsewhere on
the net that it hardly needs repeating now. People who have followed
the company over the years remember all the fiascos in their billing,
their out-and-out bait and switch tactics such as 'Friday Free',
unless you actually used it beyond certain unpublished parameters in
which case you found yourself removed from the program for no reason
by a person who no one could ever get to come to the phone; their
calling card which was good everywhere for making calls except not
good for international calls from payphones in big cities and not good
for anything from payphones in mid-town Manhattan; the 'free 9600 baud
modem' thing several years ago which turned out to be a 2400 baud
modem; telemarketers who would promise one deal and customer service
reps who would insist no such deal existed, etc.

When I first established phone service in Junction City, I called
Southwestern Bell; after all, their directories -- with Junction City
listings in them -- were all over town. When Southwestern Bell said
to me, 'for Junction City/Fort Riley you need to call Sprint' I don't
mind telling you fire shot out of my nose. I simply could not picture
'Sprint local service' being anything other than a repeat of Sprint
long distance, and although there can be minor misunderstandings at
one time or another, there had been enough of them over the years
that I've just found it better to keep my distance from them as much
as possible.

Then someone explained United had absorbed Sprint, not the other way
around; well okay, United isn't a bad bunch, let's try them out, and
really I had no choice if I wanted local phone service since they do
not have any local competition here.

On establishing service I was told 'everyone must make a one hundred
dollar deposit which is held for one year'. Okay fine, I gave them 
a debit card number tied into a Chicago bank I was using and let them
take the hundred dollars they were demanding. Within a week or so,
I get two letters on the same day:

    One from Sprint in Killeen, Texas thanking me for my deposit
    which would be held for *one year*.

    One from Sprint in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania thanking me for
    my deposit and telling me it would be returned in *three months*
    or applied to my account, whichever I preferred.

The Junction City accounts payable office said they 'knew nothing 
about any Sprint office in Pennsylvania; it probably is part of some
other division and has nothing to do with us'. I told them I wanted
my money back in three month as the letter promised or I would go
to the State Commission in Topeka. Lo and behold, three months later,
the money appears as a credit on my bill, leaving me a large credit
balance. (I use only local service from them, it costs about $25 per
month, the credit balance ran for several months).

Each month I walk several blocks from where I live to the phone office
at 6th and Jefferson Street and pay in cash the balance due now that 
the credit has run out. For some reason in August, they elected to
run another charge against the debit card number I had given them
in February. I told the bank not to honor it. The bill for October
comes, with the unpaid debit card amount of that month's bill *plus
a twenty dollar charge*.  I went down to the office at 6th and Jeffer-
son, paid the full amount due for the month and spoke on the phone
with a woman (like so many telcos, they refuse to ever meet with you
in person; you have to sit in a little stall and talk on the phone
with someone hundreds of miles away) who said she would arrange to
stop any further debits and she would credit the twenty dollar fee
which had been added on.

The November bill comes, and not only was the 'unpaid charge' from
October, along with the twenty dollar fee still there, but the 
current month charges as well. I pay the current month charges and
ask again to please get it properly credited. *Instead, they turn
around and try the debit card again, for the full amount due another
time*. Again, my bank refuses to pay. In the meantime I pay my
balance in full, what is actually due. 

A letter dated November 18 arrives in the mail today saying, 'since
your payment of $50.48 remains unpaid, we will cut your service off
on November 25.'  A letter includes a local Junction City phone
number to call. I call the number, but it actually rings in and is
picked up in Killeen, Texas by the 'sales department' who say they
have no idea how I got connected to them. As to be expected, they
have no last names, they have no supervisors, and have no further
recommendations other than of course just pay the bill.

She finally connects me somewhere and I wind up in a queue with a
few thousand other people. The person there tells me 'there must
have been an overflow of calls on the phone, so you wound up in
our office'. She volunteers to connect me with the Jucntion City
'accounts payable' office. I asked her if she meant 'accounts
receiveable' and she said yeah, that is what she meant.

Lady in Junction City -- where I am, and where I thought I was 
calling based on the local phone number shown on the disconnect
letter -- answers, and looks up the record. I asked her point blank
do you think we can handle this, or should I go see about the next
bus going to Topeka and give it all to the Commission there and
see if they have any solutions.

She looks it up, sees that the debit card thing went through twice,
was rejected once for the amount of the bill, went through a
second time, was rejected for the amount of the bill plus twenty
dollars for my audacity in telling the bank not to pay it the first
time, and that now there is that charge plus *two* twenty dollar
charges attached to my current bill. With the usual payment I made
in their office at 6th and Jefferson, the bill now says $69 due,
of which $40 is the two charges of $20 each, and $29 being the
current month's charge which I will go and pay presently. 

She says she will be certain the debit card is not sent through 
any further, and she will remove *one* of the two twenty dollar
charges. Why not both twenty dollar charges, I ask? Well, because
the one is from a prior bill and she has no way to remove it; that
should have been done by the previous rep I spoke with. Which one
is that, the one I spoke to last month, or the month before that?

I told her that's a really neat way to rip people off; put through
a charge one month, when the customer complains about it you stall
on correcting it, then later on you tell the customer now it is
too late to do anything about it. Oh, and don't forget the late
fees on the 'unpaid balance' each month; a balance you generated
out of nowhere. She finally said she would 'see if it was possible
to issue credit for that also but could not guarentee it'. I just
told her my answer is that payment is refused, period, why don't
you show your stuff, put through the disconnect your letter 
threatens, I'll go over to the Commission office and see if they
can be of any help. Maybe *they* know how to get credit on the
bill for a rip-off that occurred on some prior month's billing.

In two separate letters received today dated November 18, they
offer conflicting instructions: One says my phone will be disconnected
on November 25 unless I remit to PO Box 89 in Junction City. The
other letter tells me to be certain all payments go to Sprint at
PO Box 190 in Plymouth, Indiana. Both letters give a 'local' (ie
Junction City) phone number to call which really winds up in
the sales department in Killeen, Texas where no one has any super-
visor, last name, or other advice to offer, except they do offer
to transfer your call into a queue with lots of other calls.

It really is nice to see that United is learning to adapt to all
the old customs and traditions that made Sprint so famous in the
past, isn't it?


PAT

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:18:28 -0700
From: Daryl R. Gibson <drgibson@du1.byu.edu>
Subject: Re: Is AT&T Still Using Microwave?


roy@endeavor.med.nyu.edu (Roy Smith) wrote:

> bonomi@diskless.agresource.com (Robert Bonomi) wrote:

>> Das 'blinking lights' are required by the FCC (co-operating with the FAA)
>> on any tower more than 300' above ground level.  

>> The _quick_ way to get it fixed is notify any handy FCC field office

> Lights on towers go out all the time.  From the FAA side, what's done is
> to issue a NOTAM (NOtice To AirMen), warning pilots about the problem, and
> there's lots of them.  I just did a quick scan for NOTAMS containing the
> word "TOWER" for a 100 mile radius of White Plains, NY and found:

<snipped to save space>
 
> Notice that some of these have been
> out for months; I see one (5th from the bottom) that's been out since
> June, and that's almost a thousand footer.  Makes you wonder exactly how
> "_quick_" is defined :-)

I can tell you how it was defined with AT&T Tower Maintenance. I sent
the note out Wednesday, it was in TELECOM Digest Wednesday
night/Thursday, I talked with the AT&T Foreman Thursday morning, and
when I next passed that tower Sunday night (in a snowstorm) the light
had been fixed, and had a bright white stobe, brighter than before, I
believe.

It's nice working with professionals ... and even though the Bell 
System is no longer alive, some of the dedicated professionalism 
that hallmarked it is still alive and well at AT&T.


Daryl

 "As you ramble through life, brother, no matter what your goal,
 keep your eye upon the doughnut, and not upon the hole"
            --Dr. Murray Banks, quoting a menu

------------------------------

From: Rob Slade <rslade@sprint.ca>
Organization: Vancouver Institute for Research into User
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:35:06 -0800
Subject: Book Review: "Implementing ADSL", David Ginsburg
Reply-To: rslade@sprint.ca


BKIMADSL.RVW   990917

"Implementing ADSL", David Ginsburg, 1999, 0-201-65760-0, U$44.95
%A   David Ginsburg
%C   P.O. Box 520, 26 Prince Andrew Place, Don Mills, Ontario M3C 2T8
%D   1999
%G   0-201-65760-0
%I   Addison-Wesley Publishing Co.
%O   U$44.95 416-447-5101 fax: 416-443-0948 bkexpress@aw.com
%P   323 p.
%T   "Implementing ADSL"

ADSL (Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line), along with many other new
and desirable telecommunications technologies, is all too often
presented in one of two ways.  Either you get "this is new, and you
need it!" uninformative boosterism, or you get packet structure
specifications for those who need to program the core protocols into
switches.  It is, therefore, gratifying to find a book that gives you
the hard core, and hardware, realities of the system.

Chapter one presents the business case for ADSL, based on the usual
"Internet users want more bandwidth" model, plus a budget relying on a
number of relatively unsupported suppositions and the American
telephone network business.  Ginsburg does make a very important point
all too often lost in other works: ADSL is not a networking protocol
as such, but is more akin to a modem specification.  Therefore the
discussion of encoding methods that begins chapter two is very welcome
for those who need to use and understand the technology, rather than
merely programming packets.  The further material on ATM (Asynchronous
Transfer Mode) and alternate options (such as frame relay and Internet
Protocol) at the higher layers helps the reader to see how these
systems work together.

Chapter three outlines the components of the ADSL architecture
throughout a network, with the hardware parts mentioned being perhaps
more directly related to that topic than the software that is
reviewed.  Many of the services presented in chapter four actually
rely on ATM, PPP (Point to Point Protocol) and other higher layer
protocols.  Implementation is covered, with detailed configuration
examples and screen shots from real products, in chapter five. 
Chapter six addresses the technology alternatives for providing high
bandwidth access to the public.

(By the way, a thousand fold increase is 100,000 percent, not 10,000
percent, and a hundred fold increase is 10,000 percent, not 1,000
percent.  You're welcome.)

This book will, indeed, be useful for those implementing ADSL. 
Service providers will find a wealth of information that has probably
been confined to the engineering department up until now.  Users will
finally get a chance to understand what ADSL actually is, and where it
fits into the rest of the alphabet soup.


copyright Robert M. Slade, 1999   BKIMADSL.RVW   990917

======================  (quote inserted randomly by Pegasus Mailer)
rslade@vcn.bc.ca  rslade@sprint.ca  slade@victoria.tc.ca p1@canada.com
    Lucien, you got some 'splainin' to do!  - Double Exposure
http://victoria.tc.ca/techrev    or    http://sun.soci.niu.edu/~rslade

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:43:09 -0800
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?
Organization: Our Lady of Perpetual Freedom
From: tweek@io.com (Michael Maxfield)


Robert Bonomi <bonomi@diskless.agresource.com> wrote:

> <Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com> wrote:

>> There are some exceptions to the rule preventing disclosure of radio
>> transmissions. Amateur Radio is one of them.

I'm a licensed ham, so I'll certify to something here.

> Ham radio transmissions _are_ covered by the Secrecy of Communications
> section of the Communications Act.

I'll certify that Ham (Amateur) Radio Transmissions are indeed covered
by section 705 of the FCC rules (47CFR sec 605), what is commonly
refered to as the former Communications Act of 1934 (who knows what
they call it since the rewrite a few years ago), but it doesn't cover
it in the manner you suggest.

[source: cornell.edu as directed to via the link from www.fcc.gov]

   Sec. 605. Unauthorized publication or use of communications
 
     * (a) Practices prohibited
       Except as authorized by chapter 119, title 18, no person
       receiving, assisting in receiving, transmitting, or assisting in
       transmitting, any interstate or foreign communication by wire or
       radio shall divulge or publish the existence, contents, substance,
       purport, effect, or meaning thereof, except through authorized
       channels of transmission or reception, 

[SNIP!]

           [...] This section
            shall not apply to the receiving, divulging, publishing, or
            utilizing the contents of any radio communication which is
            transmitted by any station for the use of the general public,
            which relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles, or persons in
            distress, or which is transmitted by an amateur radio station
            operator or by a citizens band radio operator.


Mike
N6QYA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:37:51 -0800
From: Cortland Richmond <Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com>
Organization: Alcatel USA
Subject: Re: TEMPEST Brewing for PC Privacy?


On 21 Nov 1999 Robert Bonomi (bonomi@diskless.agresource.com) wrote:

In article <telecom19.551.4@telecom-digest.org>, Cortland Richmond
<Cortland.Richmond@usa.alcatel.com> wrote:

>> There are some exceptions to the rule preventing disclosure of radio
>> transmissions. Amateur Radio is one of them.

> Any licensed ham will certify to the falsehood of that statement.

> Ham radio transmissions _are_ covered by the Secrecy of Communications
> section of the Communications Act.

Actually,  they're not. It was amended some years ago to include:

(see http://www.crblaw.com/act.htm)

 ... This section shall not apply to the receiving, divulging,
publishing, or utilizing the contents of any radio communication which
is transmitted by any station for the use of the general public, which
relates to ships, aircraft, vehicles or persons in distress, or which
is transmitted by an amateur radio station operator or by a citizens
band radio operator.

So it's OK to tell someone Heard Island is on 14.025 up 3.


Cortland, KA5S

------------------------------

From: sam@merritt.houston.tx.us
Subject: Re: Need Link for CO Information
Date: 23 Nov 1999 18:48:28 GMT
Organization: PDQ.net (using Airnews.net!)


Leonard Erickson <shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote:

> In that case you can't get DSL *at all*. It doesn't go over 
> digital links. 

> So your only choices are ISDN, or something like a fractional 
> T-1.

What you mean to say is that he can't get ADSL or SDSL.  IDSL he can
get all day long.


Sam

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 11:56:35 PST
From: Jae <jae_37@yahoo.com>
Subject: Area Codes in Philipines


A friend of mine in the Philipines gave me her number recently however
there seems to be something wrong with it.  The number she gave was
(632-054)-474-etc ... however I can't seem to get through to her. I
suspect the second three number group is errored; could you aid me by
telling me the area codes in the Philipines?


jae

------------------------------

From: Michi Kaifu <mail16824@pop.net>
Subject: Re: How to Find Telecom Costs For Japan and China?
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:40:23 -0800


Tim Petlock<phoenix@visi.com>wrote:

> I've gotten in touch with NTT's New York office but haven't
> heard anything back.

Hmm ... I worked there several years ago, and I always introduced this
book if I receive a question like this.  Maybe people are busier doing
other things these days??  Anyway, there is an English book, published
by Infocom Research, that shows major service descriptions and rates
available in Japan, both NTT and competitors.  Infocom shows it on
their website, but only in Japanese.  Try contacting books@icr.co.jp
and ask for "Information & Communications Japan 1999".  Unfortunately,
you have to buy a paper book, but it's worth having it if you are
going to be involved in telecom in Japan.

> I need to find out what it costs to have a standard telephone line
> installed, as well as the monthly charges for the line.  No outbound
> traffic on the line is anticipated so usage charges aren't important.  If
> there is additional cost for having the number unpublished, I need to know
> that too.

These info is on NTT East's web site (www.ntt-east.co.jp), but again,
only in Japanese.  (They have an English site, but only shows ISDN and
leased circuit info.)  Here's for you.

Regular Single Line Phone for Business (NTT):

Installation: 76440 yen (incl. tax) (BTW, it is almost $700.  No
wonder people are buying mobile phones instead.  There is a reason
behind it, but it's another story.)

Monthly charge: 2,600 yen (Tokyo and other major cities.  Cheaper in
rural areas, cheaper for a residential line.)

Tone dial (they call it "Push-fon"): Installation 2000 yen, monthly
390 yen

No additional cost for unpublished number.

Local calls cost 10 yen per 3 min.  Long distance charge varies
according to distance.

Local service is also available from TTnet, a local competitor.
www.ttnet.co.jp

If you need further information about Japan, please contact me directly.


Michi Kaifu
ENOTECH Consulting
michi@pop.net

------------------------------

From: davidesan@my-deja.com (David Esan)
Subject: Re: How to Find Telecom Costs For Japan and China?
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:02:30 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


In article <telecom19.569.9@telecom-digest.org>, phoenix@visi.com
wrote:

> The company that I work for is looking at expanding into international
> locations.  I was able to find the costs for most of the countries I
> needed but can find nothing (at least in English) regarding Japan and
> China.  The location in Japan would be Tokyo and in China it would be
> Shanghai.  I've gotten in touch with NTT's New York office but haven't
> heard anything back.  I don't even know where to start in China.

> I need to find out what it costs to have a standard telephone line
> installed, as well as the monthly charges for the line.  No outbound
> traffic on the line is anticipated so usage charges aren't important. If
> there is additional cost for having the number unpublished, I need to
> know that too.  If anyone has direct experience with phone costs in
> these countries or can point me to an English-language source of
> information that *does*, I'd be appreciative.

It would seem to me that this information would be easily available via
the appropriate embassies or consulates.  There are attaches there
whose job is to encourage business in their country, and they have the
connections to get the information or to connect you to someone who can
get you the information.

I would expect that more countries would be happy to see an expansion
going to their country and would work with you to get the answers.


David Esan
Veramark Technologies
desan@veramark.com

------------------------------

Reply-To: <robhall@globalgenesis.net>
From: Robert S. Hall <robhall@globalgenesis.net>
Subject: Re: How to Find Telecom Costs for Japan and China?
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:00:01 +0800


> The company that I work for is looking at expanding into international
> locations.  I was able to find the costs for most of the countries I
> needed but can find nothing (at least in English) regarding Japan and
> China.  The location in Japan would be Tokyo and in China it would be
> Shanghai.  I've gotten in touch with NTT's New York office but haven't
> heard anything back.  I don't even know where to start in China.

I would suggest checking:

http://www.chinatelecom.com.cn/english/tel_english_index.htm

Although having just looked at it briefly myself, I don't think you're going
to get monthly rental fee information from it.

There is also Shanghai Bell, which has a link from China Telecom's web
page, but it appears their web site is down, at least for the moment.
Check out: http://www.sbell.com.cn

Telecom costs in China are not unreasonable.  The trick is to *get*
the phone service installed.  Don't even think about applying until
all of your corporate license paperwork is in good shape.  One thing
you will find in many commercial buildings is that the building itself
runs a PABX that services all of the tenants (usually with an IVR) so
you may find you're entitled to a few lines when you sign a lease.


Rob Hall
Hong Kong

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 03:55:41 EST
From: TELECOM Digest Editor <ptownson@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Change in Radio Player


At http://telecom-digest.org/radio.html you will now find a new service
offering. The default is World Radio News in English, however links on
the little player allow you to change to German language news or a
multi-lingual presentation (various languages at various times of day.)

You can also open a separate window on demand which has the program
schedules for each language. 

This is a continuous live feed 24 hours daily and includes the news
radio service which had been there. As before, the little player
which appears on your screen at http://telecom-digest.org/radio.html
can be minimized to the taskbar if desired, or moved around on the
screen as desired for convenience.


PAT

------------------------------

Subject: Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:25:03 PST
From: tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook)


Mitnick ordered to pay $4,125 in restitution for hacking crimes

By Linda Deutsch
AP Special Correspondent

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Computer hacker Kevin Mitnick, a computer vandal
once on the FBI's most wanted list, was ordered Monday to pay "token"
restitution of $4,125 to companies that suffered millions of dollars
in damage from his exploits.

U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer said she doubts the 37-year-old
Mitnick can earn more than minimum wage. He has been prohibited for
three years after his release from prison from any access to computers,
cellular telephones, televisions or any equipment that can be used for
Internet access.

He is also prohibited from working as a consultant to computer companies.

As part of a plea agreement reached in March, Pfaelzer also sentenced
him to three years and 10 months in prison. With credit for time
served, he will be eligible for release in a year.

Prosecutors had asked that Mitnick be ordered to pay $1.5 million,
claiming his notoriety and intelligence will eventually give him the
chance to earn money through book, film or TV contracts.

But the judge was required to consider what he could earn in the next
five years.

"There's nothing on the record by which the court can find that he can
engage in anything other than a minimum-wage job," said defense lawyer
Donald Randolph.

Mitnick admitted in March to federal accusations he broke into the
computers of several high-tech companies, stole software and installed
programs that caused millions of dollars in damage. He pleaded guilty
to five felony counts as part of the deal.

Pfaelzer noted "he's caused a lot of damage" but said imposing a bigger
restitution fee would be futile.

Mitnick was one of the FBI's Most Wanted fugitives when he was arrested
in 1995 in North Carolina after a cross-country hacking spree that
attracted worldwide attention from fellow hackers.

His victims included such companies as Motorola, Novell, Nokia and Sun
Microsystems, and the University of Southern California. He was
accused of breaking into a North American Air Defense Command
computer, although the allegation was never proven.

On Friday, Los Angeles County prosecutors dropped state charges
against him for allegedly duping Department of Motor Vehicles workers
into faxing confidential driving records to a copy shop in 1992.

The hearing was attended by a large crowd of Mitnick supporters.

------------------------------

From: Myron Harvey <mharvey@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:23:10 -0700


On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:09:30 GMT, usbcpdx@teleport.com wrote:

> My house is 7,900' from the CO as per www.speakeasy.net/dsl/ yet US
> Worst reports the copper appears to be 20,000'

> Probably bridge taps or some such gubbage but when I ask (nicely) why,
> US worst sez I need a supoena to get their plant records.

> Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
> a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
> b) if not, at least find out why?

Speakeasy is appearently speaking to you with slightly forked tongue.
According to US West I am 23,000 ft. from the Littleton, CO central
office but Speakeasy says 14,000+ ft from something called LTTNCOMA.
This implies I would be served from "MA" what or where ever it is, but
technically still from LTTNCO. Perhaps "MA" is co-located at LTTNCO
and doesn't include POTS service and uses improved equipment analogous
to the new ISDN equipment with 30,000 ft. range. Maybe your "MA"
actually is 7,900 ft. from your home. That would place your "MA" about
12,000 ft. from your CO. Makes sense.

If you should decide to check further be sure to go to Covads home
page and see if your ISP of choice is a Covad partner.  Mine isn't.

------------------------------

From: jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas)
Subject: Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:32:10 GMT


In <telecom19.570.6@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/22/99 at 08:09 PM,
usbcpdx@teleport.com said:

> Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
>a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
>b) if not, at least find out why?

If US Worst is selling DSL themselves, try working with that end of the
business.

May not work, but worth a try?
 

 Julian Thomas: jt . epix @ net  http://home.epix.net/~jt
 remove letter a for email (or switch . and @)
 Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc  http://www.possi.org
 In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State!
 -- --
 Madness takes its toll.  Please have exact change.

------------------------------

From: NBJimWeiss@aol.com (Jim Weiss)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 08:47:39 EST
Subject: Re: International 800 Service


Jeff Shaver <00204922@bigred.unl.edu> wrote:
  
> I am looking for a reliable, inexpensive, true (no PIN) US 800/888/877
> number that will ring overseas (Germany), with low/no minimums/fees.
> Anyone have any suggestions or know of anyone who might have such a
> service?

I offer this service with a $5 monthly fee and a rate of 20.6 per minute 
to Germany with 30 seconds minimum per call and each call rounded in 
six second increments.  Service is billed to a major credit card.  (This 
type service can be established to ring to any number in any country.)


Jim Weiss
Network Brokers, Inc.
"Providing Long Distance Services for Less"
nbjimweiss@aol.com
305-252-1822; fax: 603-250-0817

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:12:18 -0500
Reply-To: jason@itw.com
Subject: Re: International 800 Service
From: Jason Fetterolf <jason@itw.com>


Jeff Shaver <00204922@bigred.unl.edu> asks:

> I am looking for a reliable, inexpensive, true (no PIN) US 800/888/877
> number that will ring overseas (Germany), with low/no minimums/fees.
> Anyone have any suggestions or know of anyone who might have such a
> service?

Destia is a great choice for this application. They offer toll-free
origination from Germany for $0.61/min, billed in 6 sec increments,
with no set-up fees, no monthly recurring fees, etc.

BTW, toll-free from UK @ $0.25, and from Canada @ $0.19.  (However,
the cheapest way to call from GE to US would be international
callback-ask if you need more info)

Background: They are a $500M international-focused carrier that offers
this toll-free service with international origination from many
overseas countries in Europe, Carribbean, SE Asia, etc.  Destia is one
of the few discount carriers that offer international toll-free; the
big three offer this service also, but at much higher rates, and
set-up fees, etc.

Let me know if you need more info; I will be glad to help you to
establish the service.


Regards, 

Jason Fetterolf
Apollo Concepts Telecom and Data Consulting
610-385-1110

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:52 EST
From: FGOLDSTEIN@wn1.wn.net (Fred R. Goldstein)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes


Thanks to John David Galt for his contribution.  From a quick look,
it appears that the ATIS most recent draft is indeed pretty weak.  To
call it "stuck in the box" thinking is to be very generous; rather,
it's more like a sealed lead box with a tiny camera obscura hole.
Okay, the Bellheads behind it like overlays, and overlays today (by
FCC fiat) require all digits (NPA included) to be dialed, but that
doesn't mean that lengthy dialing strings are a desirable long-term
goal!

Summary of ATIS thinking: By using only full-number dialing with no
leading 1 (eg, 2127265000), you can expand the number of area codes
and, optionally, prefixes, by sticking one or two 0s or 1s after the
3-digit NPA (21207265000 or 212007265000) for transition, and assign
new 11 or 12 digit numbers without the transition digits.  Or you use
the 9 in the NPA for transition (29127265000) before going to a new
batch of 4-digit NPAs.  But you always dial them all.  And there is no
way that you could ever go back to 7 or 8 digit dialing, since the
post-NPA number in the ATIS plan can now begin with 0 or 1.  I
consider that numbering-plan vandalism.

Galt's alternative is a good start.  I have, however, written up a
rather detailed plan of my own, which I'm planning to send to ATIS and
whomever else.  It is closer to the new British plan, wherein the
first digit implies the type of number (geographic USA, non-USA,
nongeographic, free, premium-price, etc.) and the local number is, by
default, 8 digits dialed alone.  All NPAs are ALWAYS prefixed by the
"1" when you need them, British-style, so you may as well represent it
as "1212" or whatever, just as the UK (and many other countries)
always show it as "0xxx" where 0 is their escape digit.

In order to get to 8-digit local dialing, you do have to go through a
transition when you're dialing all 11 digits (n9xx+nxx-xxxx for
existing numbers).  But ATIS stops there, as if it were a virtue,
rather than an artifact.

I agree with Galt that NPA does not have to be a fixed length.  The
sum of NPA plus local number should be a constant for geograhic calls.
It must be DETERMINISTIC in all cases.  But I accommodate "short
codes", national numbers of fewer digits.  950s are used for that now,
against their original intent I might add, but if Pizza Hut wanted to
be 152-4PIZZA why not?  In that example, though, 152 would
deterministically be followed by six digits.  (The NANP CANNOT
accomodate variable-length numbers of the German style.)

I also quibble with Galt's parsing of NPA+prefix.  The problem is
prefix exhaust, not number exhaust, so the last four digits of a
geographic number are, in my plan, always 4 digits.  Thousansds-block
pooling is retained.  And I think 8 digits is enough for any city
*except* LA, but even then, a single 8-digit space (with number
pooling, at least on the thousands) will accomodate everthing that was
in 213 say ten years ago, with room to grow.  I reserve a bit of space
(137xx) for longer NPAs, which are used for places that only need
7-digit dialing.  I doubt there will be more than a couple of dozen.
But this does address one of the problems that ATIS has with 8-digit
local numbers, which is inefficiency in sparsely-settled areas (Upper
Michigan, for instance).

Because this is a new NPA space, it can be assigned more intuitively.
I suggest Canada getting 140-143, for instance, and the smaller NANP
countries getting other 14xx ranges.  So those "just a regular toll
call" ads with Antigua numbers won't be such an obvious deception.
Also, the whole 18x is toll free, 19x premium, and 17x divided between
carrier-specific and private-network spaces.  Calling Party Pays
cellular also gets a distinctive space.  (Note that for transitional
purposes, 1N9x patterns are exceptions; 18908, for instance, is the
transitional code for Hawaii, not a toll-free number.)

The tricky part is the transition.  It's entirely permissive, but
takes six steps.  You phase out 7 digit dialing, phase in 1n9xx/n9xx
(the latter is temporary), and after 10 digit dialing is turned off,
you can turn on the new area codes.  You convert 3-digit to 4-digit
prefix codes by adding a *second* digit (that is not 9) to replace the
previously-nearby area code.  Thus Illinois' 847-234-5678, already
moved to transitional 8947-234-5678, might become 1312-2734-5678,
while 7[9]73-234-5678 becomes 1213-2334-5678.  After that, you enable
8-digit dialing.  It's unambiguous because 4-digit prefix codes never
get a 9 in the second (added) position, while transitional 4-digit
prefix codes always do.  (Shades of the old 0/1 rule!  But in this
case it is only effective during a permissive period, until old NPAs
are finally shut down.)

Again the idea is to figure out what an *ideal* NANP would look like,
not to just expand the old plan.  And then you figure out how to get
there.  I don't think the ATIS plans show that kind of "out of the
box" thinking.

------------------------------

From: Clarence Dold <dold@yellow.rahul.net>
Subject: Re: Online Map Accuracy (was Re: Need Link for CO Information)
Date: 23 Nov 1999 15:41:08 GMT
Organization: a2i network
Reply-To: dold@network.rahul.net


Joseph Singer <dov@oz.net> wrote:

> Just be cautioned that the maps which are linked through
> <http://www.mapblast.com> are not accurate and at least three CO's that I
> checked are wrong and off by at least a few blocks.  That said if you go to
> http://www.mapquest.com and  type in the A/C plus C.O. code it seems to be
> accurate.  The other information  on dslreports.com appears to be accurate.

The map accuracy is quite likely to have the same granularity in both
suppliers.  I suspect that it is taken from V&H tables, which have
accuracy of about .3 mile.  My C.O. is positioned off by about 1,000
feet in the Mapquest site, I haven't looked at the other site.


Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
                - Pope Valley & Napa CA.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 00:15:56 -0800
From: Linc Madison <LincMad001@telecom-digest.zzn.com>
Subject: Re: Upcoming Areacode Changes


In article <telecom19.566.2@telecom-digest.org>, Leonard Erickson
<shadow@krypton.rain.com> wrote:

> Condensed from various files at www.nanpa.com and from NNAG:

> 858     California             (full cutover          11 Dec 99)
> 669     California             (overlaid on 408        8 Jan 00)
> 951     California             (splits from 909       12 Feb 00)
> 935     California             (splits from 619       10 Jun 00)
> 764     California             (overlaid on 650       17 Jun 00)
> 341     California             (overlaid on 510       15 Jul 00)
> 951     California             (full cutover           9 Sep 00)
> 657     California             (overlaid on 714        7 Oct 00)
> 442     California             (splits from 760       21 Oct 00)
> 628     California             (overlaid on 415       21 Oct 00)
> 935     California             (full cutover           9 Dec 00)
> 752     California             (overlaid on 909       10 Feb 01)
> 442     California             (full cutover          14 Apr 01)

Of course, all NPA relief in California, especially the overlays, is in
limbo, pending the outcome of number pooling trials.

I'd guess that the 935 split will go forward, since it's Phase II of a
relief plan that's already partially implemented (619/858/935), and the
951 and 442 splits have a reasonable likelihood of going forward, but
the overlays I wouldn't bet on right now.

------------------------------

From: Dave Raygor <knockin@mail.speedfactory.net>
Subject: For Sale: Dictaphone 10 ch. 550
Organization: Giganews.Com - Premium News Outsourcing
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 12:08:54 -0500


Rack mount dictaphone 550 with 10 channel input.  Make an offer.
Dave  knockin@speedfactory.net

------------------------------

From: /dev/null@.com (Justa Lurker)
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Changing a Light Bulb
Organization: Anonymous People
Reply-To: jlurker@bigfoot.com
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 13:28:16 GMT


It was Mon, 22 Nov 1999 07:52:13 -0700, and Joey Lindstrom
<Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU> wrote in comp.dcom.telecom:

>   Q: How many TELECOM Digest mail list subscribers does it take 
>   to change a light bulb?

>   A: 1,206

Hmmm ...  Didn't include the folks that would

1) post in multipart mime HTML and their flamers, or
2) post a binary graphic or movie of changing a lightbulb,
   despite being a text only forum

Can't give you a count for these two -- but there is bound to be
someone!


JL

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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 25 Nov 99 03:50:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 572

Inside This Issue:                           Happy Thanksgiving Day!

    GSMail News November 23, 1999 (Michael Hartley)
    Groups Initiate Court Challenge To FBI Wiretap Standards (Monty Solomon)
    Unimobile Article on TBTF (Shankar N. Udhay)
    Cellular vs. Paging (Triangulation) (sahmadi@my-deja.com)
    Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes (James Bellaire)
    SWBell Doesn't do Long Distance? (Mike)
    Re: Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution (Anthony Argyriou)
    Re: Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution (Justa Lurker)
    Re: Possible ANI Failure? (jprusik@my-deja.com)
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From: Michael Hartley <Michael.Hartley@one2one.co.uk>
Subject: GSMail News November 23, 1999
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 09:29:57 -0000


This from GSM mail, a useful mailing list.

FYI- all's not quiet on the European mergers front, by any means.
Vodafone-Airtouch are gunning for German conglomerate Mannesman who
just happens to own UK mobile operator Orange. Initial friendly
overtures failed to land Mannesman so the deal has gone to a hostile
takeover, something which is reported as being a rare occurence in
German business. Things are getting rapidly political.

Watch this space.


Mike
<startrek>VodafoneAirtouch- the new Borg - resistance is futile, you will be
assimilated </startrek>

     -----Original Message-----
 From: Mailing list agent [mailto:mdom@gsmag.com] 
 Sent: 24 November 1999 03:22
 To: gsmag@gsmag.com
 Subject: GSMail News November 23, 1999


### Mannesmann Trade Unions Rally Around Management to Fence off Vodafone
Takeover ###

Germany (gsmag) - In a bid to rally behind Mannesmann's management to
fence off Vodafone's takeover attempt, 3000 representatives for the
IG-Metal trade union assembled on Tuesday in Dusseldorf (Germany).
The trade unions bid was also supported by a keynote address by
Wolfgang Clement, prime minister of the state of Northrhine-Westphalia.

Mannesmann, parent company to D2 and Mannesmann Telecommunications
currently unites three areas of industrial activity apart from
telecommunications, now focused by the Vodafone Airtouch bid:
Engineering, automotive, and steel tube production.

In their keynote address, trade union members representing
Mannesmann's sections mainly targeted the uncertainty surrounding what
they consider to be Vodafone's weak strategy for the industrial
giant's activities outside wireless communications. All speakers
criticised what they conceive as a lacklustre commitment on Vodafone's
behalf to maintain a consensual style of co-determination
("Mitbestimmung") of Mannesmann's policies through a network of
industrial and company internal "constitutions" governed by law.

Wolfgang Clement, prime minister of Northrhine Westphalia, expressed
fear over the loss of his state's No. 1 position as a national German
powerhouse for telecommunications were control over Mannesmann's fate
to shift to the UK.

Spear-headed by IG-Metall president and member of Mannesmann's board,
Klaus Zwickel, labour representatives voiced their concern over what
Michael Mngs, labour representative for Mannesmann Telecommunications,
dubbed a "new age of slave trading and [industrial] colonialism". Said
Mngs: "Compare this battle with a race of two soccer clubs for good
players. Vodafone's offer to exchange 53.7 pieces of its shares for
one Mannesmann share amounts to a club saying: 'Hey, we'd like your
top player and are prepared to let you have two of our mediocre
players'."

While most speakers projected Mannesmann's recent success on the stock
market as a common denominator of in-group feeling and value (failing
to mention the stock's currently dangerous P/E ratios), no account was
given of Mannesmann recently partaking in a hostile takeover
operations in their Italian Omnitel and Infostrada ventures. By some
accounts, most speakers failed to work out the systematic differences
between Vodafone's action now and Mannesmann's earlier M&A activities,
and no representatives from its Italian affiliates were invited to the
congress to add legitimacy to speakers maintaining a difference
between Mannesmann's then "friendly" takeovers of Omintel and
Infostrada and Vodafone's now strongly condemned "hostile" takeover.

Given the general mood of field-day rallying behind the management's
defence strategy against Vodafone, it came down to Friedel Thoelkes --
union representative for the Mannesmann tube-making division (which
is to be merged with the telecom activities) to allow for the
company's socially embedded perspective withdrawal from the field -- to
give a verbose description of current M&A frenzy in the telecomms
sector. 

Said Thoelkes: "If I look at the current takeover activities within
telecommunications, I wonder who will pay for this shit? Please excuse
the explicit expression 'pay'.  [...] In case of a successful merger
Vodafone would pay several billions in annual interest alone, without
down payment, a sum which would have helped to rescue [the near
bankrupt German construction company] Philip Holzmann several times
over."

Demanding a European charter for transactions on the stock market,
voicing support for outlawing "hostile takeovers", many revealed a
latent fear of losing out in a company structure, culturally dominated
by an Anglo-American way of business, while carefully trying not to
make this concern an explicit point on their agenda.

The impression with which observers could leave Tuesday's convention
is that Vodafone's management will have to get a grip of consensual
management German style in order to avoid industrial action, even in a
successfully acquired Mannesmann. Beyond roadshows for analysts, this
might mean that Vodafone could be well advised to get around one table
with labour representatives from the company. It might also have to
set up a task force to develop workable solutions for the integration
of British and continental business cultures to avoid expensive dead
ends. Today's convention gave an insight to the fact that simply
leaving everything except for wireless telecommunications for the
market to decide might turn out to be dangerous strategy.

Inversely, crying "wolf" in calling for takeovers to be outlawed now
that a German company became prey instead of predator for the first
time could eventually backfire on Germany's capability to attract
investment.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:04:13 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Groups Initiate Court Challenge To FBI Wiretap Standards


http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/calea/release_11_18_99.html
      
   GROUPS INITIATE COURT CHALLENGE TO FBI WIRETAP STANDARDS;
      SAY FCC DECISION THREATENS COMMUNICATIONS PRIVACY
   
WASHINGTON, DC -- The Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) and
the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) today asked a federal
appeals court to block new rules that would enable the FBI to dictate
the design of the nation's communication infrastructure.
   
The challenged rules would enable the Bureau to track the physical
locations of cellular phone users and monitor Internet traffic. In a
petition to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia
Circuit, the groups say that the rules -- contained in a Federal
Communications Commission (FCC) decision issued in August -- could
result in a significant increase in government interception of digital
communications.
   
The court challenge involves the Communications Assistance for Law
Enforcement Act ("CALEA"), a controversial law enacted by Congress in
1994, which requires the telecommunications industry to design its
systems in compliance with FBI technical requirements to facilitate
electronic surveillance. In negotiations over the last few years, the
FBI and industry representatives were unable to agree upon those
standards, resulting in the recent FCC ruling. EPIC and the ACLU
opposed the enactment of CALEA in 1994 and participated as parties in
the FCC proceeding.
   
Today's court filing asserts that the FCC ruling exceeds the
requirements of CALEA and frustrates the privacy interests protected
by federal statutes and the Fourth Amendment.  According to EPIC's
General Counsel, David L. Sobel, "The FBI is seeking surveillance
capabilities that far exceed the powers law enforcement has had in the
past and is entitled to under the law. It is disappointing that the
FCC resolved this issue in favor of police powers and against
privacy."
   
Sobel said that the appeals court challenge "raises fundamental
privacy issues affecting the American public. This case will likely
define the privacy standards for the Nation's telecommunication
networks, including the cellular systems and the Internet."
   
In a report issued last year, the ACLU warned that the Clinton
Administration is using scare tactics to acquire vast new powers to
spy on all Americans.
   
"If the FBI has its way, the only communications medium invulnerable
to government snooping will consist of two soup cans and some string
 -- and even then, I'd be careful," said Barry Steinhardt, Associate
Director of the ACLU.
   
"We are now at a historic crossroad," Steinhardt added. "We can use
emerging technologies to protect our personal privacy, or we can
succumb to scare tactics and to exaggerated claims about the law
enforcement value of electronic surveillance and give up our cherished
rights, perhaps -- forever."
   
A separate challenge to the FCC ruling is being filed today in San
Francisco by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF), which joined
EPIC and the ACLU in proceedings before the Commission.
   
The privacy groups are being represented on a pro bono basis by Kurt
Wimmer and Gerard J. Waldron, partners at the Washington law firm of
Covington & Burling.
   
Background materials on CALEA, including documents filed by EFF, ACLU
and EFF with the Federal Communications Commission, are available at
EPIC's website:
   
       http://www.epic.org/privacy/wiretap/                               

------------------------------

From: udhay@NOSPAM.graycell.com (Shankar N Udhay)
Subject: Unimobile Article on TBTF
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 19:26:06 GMT
Organization: Gray Cell, Inc.


Keith Dawson of TBTF was at our office a couple of weeks ago. He seems
to have been impressed enough with our product, the Unimobile
<http://www.unimobile.com> to write it up in the TBTF Log. Take a look
 -- he "got" what we're trying to do right away, which is impressive.


Udhay

http://tbtf.com/blog/1999-11-21.html

Tuesday, November 23, 1999
11/23/99 10:45:46 PM

Unimobile: a worldwide mobile device made of bits. 

During a California trip two weeks ago I had occasion to visit Gray
Cell, the first Indian software company to win Silicon Valley venture
capital. The company has been working quietly for three years in
Bangalore and has now opened up an office in Campbell, CA in
preparation for launching Unimobile. This is a free software "device"
that can talk to nearly any mobile gadget anywhere in the world --
text-enabled cell phone, pager, PDA, email, and (of course) another
Unimobile. I was impressed by the product focus Gray Cell has
maintained in realizing the Unimobile device in "bits, not atoms."

Gray Cell claims its database of worldwide phone services is the most
comprehensive in existence, and I have no reason to doubt it. Do you
know another service that can instantly tell you what telephone
company issued the cell phone attached of any random phone number you
choose to throw at it? If so I'd like to hear of it (and so
undoubtedly would Gray Cell).

The Unimobile isn't quite like anything that has come before -- Gray
Cell is opening up a new market. The device may not initially have
much application in the world of business. It's colorful, noisy, fast,
and fun. The product is targeted at young, technologically savvy, and
above all mobile consumers worldwide. The US lags much of the rest of
the world in its uptake of mobile and wireless technology, so the
Unimobile will at first find a larger audience elsewhere than it does
on these shores. (Gray Cell tells me they have two entirely separate
marketing plans, one for the US and one for everywhere else.) An
American may need a little time at first to appreciate what the
Unimobile can do, though I expect that a 15-year-old Finn who lives on
her cell phone would get it right away, so the product and its Web
site come with extensive tours, tutorials, and help getting started.
(The TBTF Irregulars were privileged to test an early version of the
Unimobile, and since many of us are Americans we may have influenced
the amount and quality of handholding available in the product.)

Gray Cell wants to build a worldwide community of connected users who
chat constantly with people on their buddy lists, and don't want to
give up chatting when they leave their desks and go out into the
world. The company will offer a growing roster of services to this
mobile community and draw revenue from sponsorships and other
non-intrusive forms of partnership. The Gray Cell executives I spoke
to were adamant that they will never beam advertising to Unimobile
users -- they truly "get it" that a mobile device is even more
personal than a personal computer. Blasting advertising to a user's
Unimobile would be an act akin to marching a brass band into a Quaker
meeting.

When you download and register a Unimobile, you get a free email
address -- mine is dawson@unimobile.com -- which you can point to your
normal email POP box, or to any text-capable device you travel with.
Any Unimobile user, or indeed anyone at all with Internet access, can
message you at your Unimobile address and you will receive the message
in seconds on whatever device you have configured at the moment.

You can change the device's "skin" -- on-screen appearance and
behavior -- to resemble your PDA, or your pager, or your cell phone --
complete with the look and feel of whichever brand and model you're most
accustomed to. A number of skins will be included when the product
launches and more will come from mobile device companies, hobbyists,
etc. I expect Unimobile skins to be traded freely on Web sites the way
Nokia ring tones are today. See what I mean about the product not
being targeted to business users? This soft device is all about
lifestyle.

Unimobile is a 3-MB download. It runs only on Windows. Give it a try.

Disclosure: I don't have any business relationship with Gray Cell, nor
any financial interest in the company. One of their employees, Udhay
Shankar, is a TBTF Irregular. 


Unimobile - The World's First Internet Mobile. 
Get yours at http://www.unimobile.com

------------------------------

From: sahmadi@my-deja.com
Subject: Cellular vs. Paging (Triangulation)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 03:03:35 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


Please, I would appreciate if anyone can help with the below
questions:

1. Paging technology: protocol, network and frequency is used.

2. Whether Triangulation technique, finding location of the mobile, is
   possible with paging?

With respect to triangulation:

1. Who's providing this service? Carrier companies?

2. If we, as a service company who's using, e.g AT&T network, are able
   to retrieve this triangulation location information from AT&T's
   database and show it to customer???

3. How much would it cost for us?

4. What is the requirement, system design and business contract vise,
   for us?

5. How precise is this location information? What is the format of
   information?

6. Is this service available with 2-way paging? Or it's only restricted
to cellular?

------------------------------

From: bellaire@tk.com (James Bellaire)
Subject: Re: When Will the NANPA Run Out of Codes
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:32:32 GMT
Organization: WinStar GoodNet, Inc.


I just toasted my point by point reply.  Oh well -- Here's the
numbering plan that it led to ...

Dial 0+ for national (NANP wide) calls;
Dial 1+ for regional (within city or state) calls;
Other digits are local calls.

First ... transition all nxx-nxx-xxxx codes to 029-nxx-nxx-xxxx.
The insert 9 is not locked in stone.  Even though I originally
suggested it (more of a discovery than an invention) we are not
stuck on it.

Second ... can the 0+ operator assisted / special billing.
Keep 0 (pause or #) as local operator and 00 (pause or #) as LD
operator access.  Make 00+ an optional International (non-NANP)
access in parallel with 01+ (separate issue).

Third ... transition 029 codes to their final resting places.

The final numbering would look something like this:

02st rc nxx xxxx     US States ex/Major Cities
  st    State Code (up to 90 states)
  rc    Region Code (up to 80 within each state)
    1rc nxx xxxx     Regional Dialing within state or neighbors
   7d would remain local number length within the 02 range
   (OPTION:
     large states could assign RCs of 20 through 99 as above
     small states could assign RCs of 12 through 19
     small states could have 1n nxx xxxx regional dialing )
 
029 nxx nxx xxxx     Transitional

03x nxx nxx xxxx     Major US Cities
  ^ City number 1 through 9
  10d would be minimum number length for local in the 03 range
   1nxx nxx xxxx     Regional dialing within that city
   10d would remain/become local dialing length as well

04x                  Additional Cities?
05x                  Additional Cities?

0600 xx nxx xxxx     Special Purpose
  Replaces 600 numbers in Canada - first xx is a regional code

07xxx xxxx xxxx      Canada - any way they wish to be divided
  (Could do a one step transition to 079 and get it over with)

0800 xxxxx xxxx      Toll Free - any way that industry cares
  (All 08 codes eventually)

0900 r xxxxxxxx      Pay per Call (National Assigned)
  (replaces 900 - r = rate range as in UK system)
0900 9r xxxxxxx      Pay per Call (Regional Assigned)
  (replaces 976 - r = rate range, dialable within a single state/city)

0999 ic nxxxxxx      Non Mainland
  ic    Island Code - one per Island
    1ic nxxxxxx      Regional dialing within this special code

It leave a lot of space for expansion and is generally easy to follow.
The third step will require a translation table (029 npa => 02 st rc)
or (029 npa => 03x npa).  But it would work.


James Bellaire

------------------------------

From: Mike <mjenkins@primary.net>
Subject: SWBell Doesn't Do Long Distance?
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:39:56 -0600
Organization: Primary Network http://www.primary.net


Pat,

Interesting phenomena.  I made a LD call from my workplace.  I used my
SWBell Calling Card.  After dialing the call, I heard "Thank you for
using Sprint."

Calling SWBell, I learned that they "don't do long distance, but use
Sprint as their LD provider."

Is this strange, or is it just me?


Mike J


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Nothing in domestic voice telecom is
strange any longer. Here in Junction City on the other hand, Sprint
is the local service provider and SWBell is the 'short long distance'
(meaning local-toll) provider. Although Kansas Cellular was the 'A'
provider (typically for the non-wireline company) and Cellular One is the
'B' provider (typically wireline), neither have any local telco opera-
tions. Now Kansas Cellular is out of business and a company called
'AllTel' is handling the 'A' side, giving all kinds of deals including
a package with discounts on their cellular service provided you make
them your wireline long-distance default (one plus carrier) as well.  
Nothing is strange any longer. If there ever a situation where Aaron
Copeland's song 'Simple Gifts' ( '... tis a gift to be simple, tis
a gift to be free) would apply, it would be in the telecom biz.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: Anthony Argyriou <anthony@alphageo.com>
Subject: Re: Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:14:00 -0800
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com


Linda Deutsch wrote (and Tad Cook passed on):

> LOS ANGELES (AP) -- Computer hacker Kevin Mitnick, a computer vandal
> once on the FBI's most wanted list, was ordered Monday to pay "token"
> restitution of $4,125 to companies that suffered millions of dollars
> in damage from his exploits.

Has the "millions of dollars" claim ever been substantiated? These
companies don't report those losses in their quarterly statements, and
the "lost sales" they claim likely wouldn't have happened. Ms. Deutsch
states this suffering as a fact, when it is at best an allegation.

> U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer said she doubts the 37-year-old
> Mitnick can earn more than minimum wage. He has been prohibited for
> three years after his release from prison from any access to computers,
> cellular telephones, televisions or any equipment that can be used for
> Internet access.

Construction work and truck driving pay far better than minimum wage,
but that's a big career jump to make at 37.

> He is also prohibited from working as a consultant to computer companies.

> As part of a plea agreement reached in March, Pfaelzer also sentenced
> him to three years and 10 months in prison. With credit for time
> served, he will be eligible for release in a year.


Anthony Argyriou
http://www.alphageo.com/


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Ms. Deutsch is like the other parrots
in the news media. Someone says the phrase 'millions of dollars' and
teaches her to mimick what she heard. I doubt she spent two minutes
in research on the case herself; what some press release from the
Justice Department said was good enough for her. Note also that Kevin
Mitnick has already been in custody for more than four years while
awaiting trial. The judge gives him three years and ten months then
says he has one more year to serve?  The clock starts running the
minute they slap those handcuffs on you, not three or four years
down the road when there has been enough of a stink that they have
to give you a trial. But don't let a little bit of the law get in
the way of Janet Reno getting her kicks. Perhaps you have read the
latest scandal involving *her*; when she was prosecuting attorney
in Florida back in the 1980's, the allegations are she encouraged
a couple members of her staff of underlings to get up in court and
lie in a criminal prosecution of a police officer on a child sexual
abuse case. It went up and down the judicial ladder over a period
of several years, and finally a few months ago the Appeals Court
said the guy got a totally bum deal and ordered him released from
custody, with the state of Florida having the option to retry him
if they wished to do so. He is now going after her with a vengeance
and says he intends to see if he can get Janet sent to prison one
of these days. I love it! Meanwhile she tells us about the 'millions
of dollars in damage' Kevin did, and he has to stay in prison for
another year.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: /dev/null@.com (Justa Lurker)
Subject: Re: Mitnick Ordered to Pay Token Restitution
Organization: Anonymous People
Reply-To: jlurker@bigfoot.com (Replies to email will be POSTED)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:38:49 GMT


It was Tue, 23 Nov 1999 02:25:03 PST, and tad@ssc.com (Tad Cook) wrote
in comp.dcom.telecom:

> Mitnick ordered to pay $4,125 in restitution for hacking crimes
> U.S. District Judge Mariana Pfaelzer said she doubts the 37-year-old
> Mitnick can earn more than minimum wage. He has been prohibited for
> three years after his release from prison from any access to computers,
> cellular telephones, televisions or any equipment that can be used for
> Internet access.

> He is also prohibited from working as a consultant to computer companies.

A nice catch 22.  He can't earn money because of the restrictions so
he can't pay money for the inflated damages.

> Mitnick was one of the FBI's Most Wanted fugitives when he was arrested
> in 1995 in North Carolina after a cross-country hacking spree that
> attracted worldwide attention from fellow hackers.

Probably one of the few top 10 to be freed after capture.

JL


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You have to remember an important rule
where the Justice Department is concerned: never give an ex-convict
a chance at rehabilitation. You start allowing people to feel like
human beings with a sense of worth and dignity, and you are going to
have them talking back to you a lot more, making more trouble, as
they perceive it. That's Kevin's big problem; they are scared to
death of him, and they'll be doing everything in their power during
his parole period to insure he screws up somehow so they can have
him back. You also saw I assume where part of the terms are he is
not even allowed to be near a *television set*; how could his parole
terms be much more ridiculous and restrictive than that?    PAT]

------------------------------

From: jprusik@my-deja.com
Subject: Re: Possible ANI Failure?
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:01:43 GMT
Organization: Deja.com - Before you buy.


In article <telecom19.569.3@telecom-digest.org>:

> Simple, Dialpad does not send ANI information. Not all systems do send
> ANI. PBX systems from large companies (and telemarketers) are famous
> for not sending ANI. Also some small market cheezy IXCs (long distance
> carriers) do not send ANI.

> So Dialpad is definately NOT sending ANI. But then again, maybe its a
> good thing!

I disagree, I think that dialpad is sending ANI information. I tried a
different ANI service and got an originating number in the 760 areacode.


-JP

------------------------------

From: Mike Pollock <itsamike@yahoo.com>
Subject: Who Wants to Be Awakened? Man With an Unlucky Phone Number
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 10:24:42 -0500
Organization: It's A Mike!


By ALAN FEUER

For a month, Stan Kemper was caught in a telephonic nightmare as he
got hundreds of calls from aspiring "Who Wants to Be a Millionaire"
contestants because his telephone number is one digit from the quiz
show's hotline.

http://www.nytimes.com/yr/mo/day/news/national/regional/ny-stan-millionaire.
html


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: To visit the New York Times web site
requires advance registration and personal data from each user.  PAT]

------------------------------

From: steve@sellcom.com (Steve Winter)
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Changing a Light Bulb
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 23:30:09 -0500
Organization: WWW.SELLCOM.COM
Reply-To: steve@sellcom.com


Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU> spake thusly and wrote:

>  19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three";

>  4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ;

What about the one or two that mention that they have a very good
deal on a new kind of lightbulb.

Very illuminating post, though ...


Steve

http://www.sellcom.com
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Now shipping the new enhanced Siemens 2420 Gigaset

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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 25 Nov 99 04:55:00 EST    Volume 19 : Issue 573

Inside This Issue:                           Happy Thanksgiving Day!
  
    A Couple Day's of Vacation (TELECOM Digest Editor)
    ADSL Speed Measurement (Gene Cartier)
    Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length (John Bartley)
    Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length (Jonathan Seder)
    Re: Cellular Prefix Number in China (Steven)
    Fraud Alert !-- I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom (Joseph Gadoury )
    Starpower Billing Example (Paul Robinson)
    Question (Molinari Alessio)
    Re: Definitions (Joey Lindstrom)
    Re: Definitions (Kim Brennan)
    Is Your Cell Phone Killing You? (Monty Solomon)
    SBC and Prodigy Hope Late Is Better Than Never (Monty Solomon)
    New Telco Employee Seeks Knowledge (Terence Baughman)
    Privacy Advocates Rally Against DoubleClick-Abacus Merger (Monty Solomon)
    Antiquarian Bookseller Snoops Amazon.com's E-Mail (Monty Solomon)

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From: TELECOM Digest Editor <editor@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: A Couple Day's Vacation
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 4:30:00 EST


First of all, to our USA readers, my wishes are extented to you
for a very happy Thanksgiving Day. I hope you will take a few
minutes today to reflect upon your circumstances and give thanks
as appropriate. Try also please to help someone less fortunate
during the days ahead as I shall do: I've been recruited to be
a ringer for the Salvation Army here in Junction City on three
weekdays in December. Consider something like that for yourself.

I've not taken any time off from my newsgroup work for awhile
now, and this seems like a good opportunity for a couple days,
so look for me again here around the weekend. Please hold off on
sending messages for at least a couple days so there is not an
unweildy, unusable backlog. I'm also going to be working on
trying to get the airwaves.com website re-established once again
in its new home, compliments of John Levine. (But I have not
yet told them on ARJ/rrb where it is going to be, so it will be
a surprise to them hopefully). Anyway, maybe see you sometime
Sunday, otherwise first of the week for sure. 


PAT

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From: gene_cartier@sra.com (Gene Cartier)
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:04:23 -0500
Subject: ADSL Speed Measurement


I've noticed that my Bell Atlantic ADSL connection and thruput has
been getting slower and slower over the past few months.  Seems that
they must be adding more folks to the traffic stream.  Is there any
freeware/shareware out there that I can run on my system to measure
what thruput (upstream & downstream) that I'm actually getting.  They
are advertising 400kpbs, but I feel that I'm getting 1.2kbps.

My home environment is Win 95 and Internet Explorer version 5.

I live in the Washington D.C. suburbs.  Do I have any recourse with
the Virginia PSC to ensure that I'm getting what I pay for?


Gene Cartier
gene_cartier@sra.com

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From: usbcpdx@teleport.com (John Bartley)
Subject: Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:52:09 GMT


On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 18:32:10 GMT, jata@aepiax.net (Julian Thomas) wrote:

> In <telecom19.570.6@telecom-digest.org>, on 11/22/99 at 08:09 PM,
> usbcpdx@teleport.com said:

>> Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
>> a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
>> b) if not, at least find out why?

> If US Worst is selling DSL themselves, try working with that end of the
> business.

> May not work, but worth a try?

Does not work.  Never got to the point of selecting an ISP, and I
would use US West if offered. They just don't want to spend the $$ to
clean up their awful cable plant.

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 05:23:10 -0700, Myron Harvey <mharvey@uswest.net>
wrote:

> On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 20:09:30 GMT, usbcpdx@teleport.com wrote:

>> My house is 7,900' from the CO as per www.speakeasy.net/dsl/ yet US
>> Worst reports the copper appears to be 20,000'

>> Probably bridge taps or some such gubbage but when I ask (nicely) why,
>> US worst sez I need a supoena to get their plant records.

>> Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
>> a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
>> b) if not, at least find out why?

> Speakeasy is appearently speaking to you with slightly forked tongue.
> According to US West I am 23,000 ft. from the Littleton, CO central
> office but Speakeasy says 14,000+ ft from something called LTTNCOMA.
> This implies I would be served from "MA" what or where ever it is, but
> technically still from LTTNCO. Perhaps "MA" is co-located at LTTNCO
> and doesn't include POTS service and uses improved equipment analogous
> to the new ISDN equipment with 30,000 ft. range. Maybe your "MA"
> actually is 7,900 ft. from your home. That would place your "MA" about
> 12,000 ft. from your CO. Makes sense.

Actually, I drove the distance from my house to the CO and got 7,600'.
300' of internal frame and such is reasonable to assume.

> If you should decide to check further be sure to go to Covads home
> page and see if your ISP of choice is a Covad partner.  Mine isn't.

Why should I?

------------------------------

From: Jonathan Seder <JSeder-nospam@syntel.com>
Subject: Re: DSL, LEC and Absurdly Inflated Reported Line Length
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 17:43:34 -0800
Organization: SyntelSoft Inc


I am 4750 feet from my CO.  The copper used to measure 8000 feet.
That was OK for 10 months but then my DSL circuit failed.  After four
MPO meets and 35 days, a Pac Bell tech very kindly climbed the pole
across the street from me and (perhaps) unhooked some bridge taps.
This shortened the circuit's measured length to 6000' and also brought
it back to life.

As I understand it, in California, pending further discussions,
Pacific Bell will not remove bridge taps for CLECs.  The reason is
that it is too expensive, difficult, and time consuming.  The plant
records are not always complete and accurate, so removing bridge taps
often entails climbing every pole and examining every connection
between the CO and the customer.

If you can get your DSL from US West, they might clean up the line. 
Otherwise, your ILEC is only obliged to rent the copper as-is, possibly
cleaning it up to some minimal standard agreed to by your CLEC.  The
good news is that IDSL (ISDN) will work.  The better news is that the
ILECs are under some pressure to make the CLECs happy so that ILECs will
be granted one object of their desire, the right to sell long distance
and other potentially lucrative services.  Also, it's bad business to
make too many end users miserable, angry, frustrated, etc.  But have
some sympathy for what is involved in cleaning up these oft-reconfigured
copper pairs.

The fastest way to get good information on the Web is to post bad
information ... no doubt others will hop in to straighten this out.

usbcpdx@teleport.com wrote:

> My house is 7,900' from the CO as per www.speakeasy.net/dsl/ yet US
> Worst reports the copper appears to be 20,000'

> Probably bridge taps or some such gubbage but when I ask (nicely) why,
> US worst sez I need a supoena to get their plant records.

> Any suggestions as to how I can press the issue to
> a) get the line cleaned up so I can get DSL
> b) if not, at least find out why?

------------------------------

From: Steven <steven@primacomputer.com>
Subject: Re: Cellular Prefix Number in China
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 14:10:32 +0800
Organization: Prima Computer


Original there was one, now there are quite a few.  They start with 
13 ...

Steven

hsjung@nuri.net says ...

> I need the information on the cellular prefix number which is being
> put into service in China.

> Any comment on this would be really appreciated!

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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 08:36:30 GMT
From: jgad@pacbell.net (Joseph Gadoury)
Subject: Fraud Alert !-- I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom,
Organization: SBC Internet Services


FRAUD ALERT! I-link Worldwide, Wealthcom, Buyers united 
Phone Long Distance SCAM!!

Q: How long would it take for AT&t or MCI to cancel their services 
     if you would not pay their bills ? 

A: At the most 3 months. (a fair estimate) 
  
Imagine! I have not paid I-Link Worldwide "NASDAQ: ILNK" invoices for
the past 2 1/2 years and as of August 1999 I'm still being charge Long
distance phone calls that not only I have never made but my long
distance provider has been MCI and AT&t for the past 2 1/2 years.
  
Wait! Wait! it gets worst. 

The phone number they are billing me from is a number that was never
register by me or my wife at any addresses I ever lived. "I have a
letter sign by Pacific Bell to acknowledge that fact."

For all details See the link below 
http://www.scsioutlet.com

Better Business Bureau Report 
http://search.bbb.org/bbb/plsql/bbbweb.reportShow?sessid=5083517992&AddrId=1126000002525706

I have found several people who have experienced the same with these
company, If you or anybody you know has had the same experience 
PLEASE EMAIL ME.

jgad@pacbell.net  

------------------------------

From: Rfc1394a@aol.com
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 06:45:57 EST
Subject: Starpower Billing Example
From: Paul Robinson <RFC1394a@aol.com>


A reader of TELECOM Digest asked me about my article on Starpower and
wanted to know "if Starpower bills like Bell Atlantic bills for things
like Subscriber Line Charges."
 
The following came straight off of the bill they sent me.  I live in 
Arlington, Virginia:

Federal line cost charge          $3.50
RCN Bundled Long Distance          $.00
PICC Residential Single Line      $1.04
Number Portability Charge          $.23
Touch Tone                         $.00
Residential Access Line            $.00
Premium Measured                 $14.24
Total Service Charges            $19.01

Federal Excise Tax                 $.57
                                ----------
Total Taxes                        $.57
                                ----------
Total                            $19.58

I'll see if I can find a Bell Atlantic bill for comparison.  We have
three phone lines in our house, my sister has two from Bell and I have
one from Starpower.  One note, the term "premium measured" above I
believe is misleading as to the best of my knowledge I have unlimited
local calling.

For long distance I work it in one of two ways.  If I am calling a
number I know I will only get an answering machine, I'll dial it
direct as it only costs 9c a minute.  (Which, as I noted in my
previous article, is now 7c a minute).  If I am going to call someone
for any length of time, I'll use my prepaid calling card, which
charges roughly 3 1/2 to 4c a minute with a 50c call charge.  So
basically, if I think I'm going to be on a call for more than ten
minutes, I'll use my card.  But I have the advantage I can use it at
pay phones and at the office.


Paul Robinson (Formerly Paul@tdr.com, tdarcos@mcimail.com, 
tdarcos@access.digex.net among others)

http://paul.washington.dc.us

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From: Molinari Alessio <Alessio.Molinari@infostrada.it>
Subject: Question About Country Codes
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 13:18:59 +0100


> Dear Mr Patrick Townson thanks to do an answer at my question about North
> Marianna Island (00670) and Guam (00671) .

I have another question :

Does there exist an official site of ITU where it's possible have
correct information about area codes of each country up to date and
information about country code and area code of each carrier?


  Alessio Molinari
  Network Management
  Misure qualita' - traffico 
  *+39 02 41331.6204                        
  *alessio.molinari@infostrada.it
  Via Lorenteggio n257
  20152 Milano
  ITALY

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From: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 16:26:17 -0700
Reply-To: Joey Lindstrom <Joey@GaryNumanFan.NU>
Subject: Re: Definitions


On Mon, 22 Nov 1999 01:09:04 -0500 (EST), Robert Bonomi wrote:

>> C'mon, hit me with another ... I dare ya. ;-)

> Oh, lets see here,

>   RFI
>   SHORAN
>   PWM
>   NAK
>   AVC
>   CTCSS   (hint: pagers and 2-way radios)
>   SCA
>   QAM
>   SSB/SC
>   UCT
>   HDX
>   ERP
>   TARFU
>   ETB
>   MUNG

Me and my big mouth.  :-)

OK, I'll take a stab at 'em ...

RFI = Radio Frequency Interference (starting me off with an easy one, eh?)
SHORAN = SHOrt RAnge Navigation
PWM = hmmm... I'll guess Pulse Width Modulation
NAK = No AcKnowledgement or Negative AcKnowledgement
AVC = Automatic Volume Control?
CTCSS = Continuous Tone Coded Squelch System
SCA = Single Connector Architecture?
QAM = Quadrature Amplitude Modulation (I'm a long-time USR Courier owner)
SSB/SC = Single Sideband Suppressed Carrier Modulation
UCT = Universal Coordinate Time
HDX = Half Duplex
ERP = Error Recovery Procedure or maybe Effective Radiated Power 
TARFU = Things Are Really Fouled Up (one of my faves, along with SOL:
Short On Luck)
ETB = End of Transmission Block 
MUNG = Mash Until No Good (another fave)

OK, I'll come clean.  Some of 'em (four or five) I looked up at
www.acronymfinder.com  :-)


 From the messy desktop of Joey Lindstrom
 Visit The NuServer!  http://www.GaryNumanFan.NU
 Visit The Webb!      http://webb.GaryNumanFan.NU

 "Don't believe everything you see and hear, escpecially the promos for next
  week."
         --Everything I Need To Know I Learned From Babylon 5


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Several glossaries of technical terms
are available for download at http://telecom-digest.org/archives/glossaries
and individual lookups can be done from these glossaries via the
Telecom Archives Email Information Service: 

      email to:  telecom-archives@telecom-digest.org
      Subject line does not matter, then for text, flush at left margin:

REPLY yourname@site
GLOSSARY acronymn you are seeking (i.e. RADAR or MFJ)
END

You will get back email immediatly with the answer.    PAT]

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From: kim@aol.com (Kim Brennan)
Date: 24 Nov 1999 02:15:58 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Definitions


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: How do you know? Did you ask him?
> Or did you merely read historical accounts and/or newspaper reports
> where other writers put the period after the 'S' because they
> did not know any better?   PAT]

There was a documentary on Harry S Truman, and before he died he was
asked about his middle initial. He stated that he always put the
period there. To see this for your self, you can check the Truman
archives. Here is an url to a direct reference.

<A HREF="http://www.trumanlibrary.org/speriod.htm">Truman: The "S" Period</A>


Kim Brennan
Duo 2300c, PB 2400, VW Fox Wagon GL, Corrado SLC, Vanagon GL Syncro
http://members.aol.com/kim
Duo Info Page:  http://members.aol.com/kim/computer/duo/duoindex.html
?'s should include "Duo" in subject, else they'll be deleted unread.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:15:34 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Is Your Cell Phone Killing You?


By Gordon Bass, PC Computing
November 15, 1999 9:00 PM PT

It's the must-have accessory of the late 20th century. It confers
status and power. It gives you access to the world wherever you are,
whenever you want. But what if it's producing a tumor in your brain
the size of a golf ball?

More than 80 million Americans use a mobile phone. By 2002 another 30
million people will be signed up for service. Yet there's mounting
scientific evidence that using a mobile phone is risky. After all,
"for the first time in history, we are holding a high-powered
transmitter against the head," said Ross Adey, a professor of
biochemistry at the University of California at Riverside. And that
transmitter is about an inch from your brain.

http://www.zdnet.com/pccomp/stories/all/0,6605,2386403,00.html 

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Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:31:41 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: SBC and Prodigy Hope Late Is Better Than Never


The media dutifully reported the news that SBC Communications is 
grabbing a fat stake in Prodigy, but the coverage carried the 
unmistakable whiff of two also-rans trying to get back into the game.

SBC is the nation's largest local telco, and it covers plenty of turf 
when it does business as Ameritech , Pacific Bell and Southwestern Bell. 
Like most telcos, though, SBC has failed to get a fire going under its 
DSL services. The idea behind the new deal is that Prodigy will lend its 
brand to SBC's DSL service in exchange for selling SBC a 43 percent 
stake in the company. The deal also bestows SBC's 650,000 high-speed 
customers upon Prodigy.

http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,7827,00.html

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From: Steelerz75@aol.com (Terence Baughman)
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 03:28:42 EST
Subject: New Telco Employee Seeks Knowledge


Hello!

I have worked for a CLEC for the past 18 months and have decided to
remain in the telecom industry as my career.

What amazes me the most however, is how little I know.  I have only a
general idea of what a PON is, what an LSR is, etc., etc.  Yet most
amazing is how little everyone else knows -- even the trainers.  Most
of what I have learned is from people who work a specific job within
the company or people who have worked for other carriers.  Can you
recommend any good reading material that would give me a good
overview, specifically with regards to POTS, and the relationship(s)
between ILECs, CLECs, ICXs, etc.

Any help will be most gratefully appreciated!


Sincerely yours, 

Terence Baughman
e-mail: steelerz75@aol.com


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You may want to take a few hours some
day when you have the time to spare and review the thousands of back
issues of this Digest and the several hundred technical and other
telecom-related files in our archives: http://telecom-digest.org/archives
and see what those offer. While there, also check out many of the
older book reviews given by Rob Slade here over the years. I am 
sure readers will have some other book suggestions as well.   PAT]

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 01:18:11 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Privacy Advocates Rally Against DoubleClick-Abacus Merger


By Courtney Macavinta
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
November 22, 1999, 3:50 p.m. PT

Consumer advocates are making a last-ditch effort to hinder the $1 
billion merger of Internet advertiser DoubleClick with market researcher 
Abacus Direct, charging that the deal will be an assault on personal 
privacy.

Although privacy groups have sent letters asking the companies' 
shareholders to reject the merger and have complained to the Federal 
Trade Commission about the privacy implications, approval of the deal is 
scheduled to be voted on tomorrow.

http://news.cnet.com/category/0-1005-200-1461826.html 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 00:33:15 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Antiquarian Bookseller Snoops Amazon.com's E-Mail, Gets Slapped


Selling books used to seem so, well, genteel. If it was, it isn't
anymore. A federal prosecutor filed suit in Boston yesterday charging
that an online dealer in rare and antique books intercepted e-mail
between Amazon.com and its customers. The accused bookseller,
Mass.-based Interloc, last year morphed into Alibris, a well-funded
California startup. Alibris said it would plead guilty; it expected to
pay a $250,000 fine. The Boston Globe assigned reporter Steven Wilmsen
to the story and ran it on page 1, possibly because of the Massachusetts
connection. Wilmsen turned up a few angles the other outlets missed,
although the Wall Street Journal's Glenn R. Simpson did get one detail
more nearly correct. Wired, ZDNet, and the Washington Post ran 8
paragraphs from Reuters; the New York Times linked AP copy from its
technology front page.  


http://www.thestandard.com/article/display/0,1151,7828,00.html

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