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TELECOM Digest Sun, 6 Nov 2005 23:55:00 EST Volume 24 : Issue 505 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Market Growing for Refurbished, Used iPods (Antony Bruno) New Law Fuels Technology / Legal Clash (Brian Bergstein) Massachusetts Fights Microsoft on Data Format (Mark Jewell) FCC Sets April, 2009 Deadline on Digital TV (Jennifer C. Kerr) Newest Google Service (Marcus Didius Falco) Re: Phone Shown in 'Capote' / RJ Connector History (Paul Coxwell) Re: Old Chicago Numbering (Paul Coxwell) Re: Wabash Cannonball (was Re: Old Chicago Numbering) (Paul Coxwell) Re: Recorded Call From Law Office? (Justa Lurker) Re: Verizon POTS (Justa Lurker) Can't See dot.tk (Tom) Re: Replacement for Siemens Gigaset (Dan Lanciani) Sunday Sermon For This Week (Nicole Winfield) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Antony Bruno <reuters@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Market Growing for Refurbished, Used iPods Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:07:47 -0600 By Antony Bruno The popular iPod Nano and the just-released video iPod are expected to lead a surge of holiday sales for Apple Computer. Research firm Fulcrum Global Partners predicts Apple will sell 10 million iPods in the fourth quarter, a strong follow-up to the 7 million sold in the previous quarter. But not all of these sales will be to new iPod owners. Piper Jaffray analysts say about 30 percent of the iPod purchasers are now repeat buyers who are either replacing an existing, earlier-generation iPod or adding to their range of styles (such as an iPod Shuffle and a video iPod). If the average lifespan of an iPod is about 1.5 years, what happens to the older models? Analysts say most users hand down their iPods to friends or family once they purchase a new one. Some simply throw them away. Increasingly, however, consumers are capitalizing on the growing iPod phenomenon by selling their used iPods for cash or as a trade-in toward a new device. And it is not just for bargain hunters, either. With the popular iPod Mini being discontinued, many fans have turned to the refurbished market to track down a favorite color in what is becoming a cult-nostalgia item. "There is an emerging market for older iPods," Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster says. "Apple discontinues successful products that people feel some sort of connection to. They're the retro-cool thing." COTTAGE INDUSTRY Internet auction site eBay has literally thousands of iPod and iPod-related products for sale. The site is considered a leading resource for those seeking an inexpensive way to join the iPod revolution. So is Web site Craigslist. With 28 million iPods sold worldwide, the potential for iPod refurbishment and sales has created a cottage industry of sorts. Small Dog Electronics, for instance, is an established Apple reseller that has for years sold refurbished Macintosh computers and other accessories. The company now sells around 500 used and refurbished iPods per month from its Web-based store at significant discounts. A refurbished third-generation, 30GB iPod that cost $400 in 2003 now runs for about $210, for example. The company offers up to $100 off the price of a new iPod to anyone trading in a used one. According to CEO Don Mayer, the pace of such replacements is expected to increase as iPod sales continue to grow. "You have a curve that's getting larger every quarter for the installed base of iPods," he says, "so the used and refurbished ones are getting more and more prevalent. All that increases with volume." Another company, PodSwap, takes it a step further by not only offering cash for used iPods but also shipping players loaded with music that has been authorized for such distribution by artists who own the necessary rights. Both companies collect the used devices, determine and classify their condition, make whatever repairs are necessary and then clear the memory of any music files before shipping. COLLECTIONS FOR SALE It is a bit more loose on Craigslist and eBay. Several iPods up for auction include the sellers' music collection and instructions on how to transfer the music from the iPod to the buyer's computer. Some even take requests for additional songs to be added prior to shipping. One video iPod for sale contains an entire season of TV show "King of Queens" included. Even Apple competitors have tried to use the swap as a promotional tool. Dell offered a $100 mail-in rebate to any customer turning in an old iPod when buying one of its MP3 players. Interestingly, all the deals are better than what Apple itself offers. The company began offering iPod owners a 10 percent discount on new iPods when they trade in an older device. That translates to anywhere from $45 off a 60GB video iPod to $10 off the iPod Shuffle. Reuters/Billboard Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Brian Bergstein <ap@telecom-digest.org> Subject: New Law Fuels Tecnology / Legal Clash Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:09:21 -0600 By BRIAN BERGSTEIN, AP Technology Writer A new method of communicating is creating intriguing services that beat old ways of sending information. But law enforcement makes a somber claim: These new networks will become a boon to criminals and terrorists unless the government can easily listen in. This was the story line in the mid-1990s when the Clinton administration sought to have electronic communications encrypted only by a National Security Agency-developed "Clipper Chip," for which the feds would have a key. The Clipper Chip eventually went the way of clipper ships after industry balked and researchers showed its cryptographic approach was flawed anyway. But while the Clipper Chip died, the dilemma it illuminated remains. With each new advance in communications, the government wants the same level of snooping power that authorities have exercised over phone conversations for a century. Technologists recoil, accusing the government of micromanaging -- and potentially limiting -- innovation. Today, this tug of war is playing out over the Federal Communications Commission's demands that a phone-wiretapping law be extended to voice-over-Internet services and broadband networks. Opponents are trying to block the ruling on various grounds: that it goes beyond the original scope of the law, that it will force network owners to make complicated changes at their own expense, or that it will have questionable value in improving security. No matter who wins the battle over this law -- the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, known as CALEA -- this probably won't be the last time authorities raise hackles by seeking a bird's eye view over the freewheeling information flow created by new technology. Authorities are justified in trying to reduce the ways that technology helps dangerous people operate in the shadows, said Daniel Solove, author of "The Digital Person." But a parallel concern is that technology can end up increasing the government's surveillance power rather than just maintaining it. "We have to ask ourselves anew the larger question: What surveillance power should the government have?" said Solove, an assistant professor at George Washington University Law School. "And to what extent should the government be allowed to manage the development of technology to embody its surveillance capability?" Wiretapping -- so named because eavesdropping police placed metal clips on the analog wires that carried conversations -- has a complex legal history. A 1928 case, Olmstead v. United States, legitimized the practice, when the Supreme Court ruled it was acceptable for police to monitor the private calls of a suspected bootlegger. Behind that 5-4 ruling, however, a seminal debate was raging. The dissenting opinion by Justice Louis Brandeis argued, among other things, that the government had no right to open someone's mail, so why should a phone -- or other technologies that might emerge -- carry different expectations about privacy? In 1967, as the dawn of the digital age was fulfilling Brandeis' fears that other forms of technological eavesdropping would become possible, the Supreme Court reversed Olmstead. After that, authorities had to get a search warrant before setting wiretaps, even on public payphones. That apparently hasn't been much of a hindrance. State and federal authorities have had 30,975 wiretap requests authorized since 1968, with only 30 rejections, according to the Electronic Privacy Information Center. Some 1,710 wiretaps were authorized last year, the most ever, with zero denied. Since 1980, authorities also have been able to set secret wiretaps with the approval of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which privacy watchdogs say requires a lower standard of evidence than the general warrant process. For the first two decades FISA orders numbered less than 1,000 annually; 2003 and 2004 each saw more than 1,700. Only four FISA applications have been rejected, all in 2003. But technology began to pose obstacles in the 1980s, as old-fashioned telephone networks were giving way to digital switching systems that could also transmit information. Suddenly some wiretaps had to become virtual, using "packet sniffing" programs that spy on the splintered packets of data that make up network traffic. Congress passed CALEA in 1994, requiring telecom carriers to ensure that their networks left it relatively easy for law enforcement to set wiretaps. The law applied to landline and cell phone networks but essentially exempted the Internet. Of course, at the time, federal officials were advocating use of the Clipper Chip to ensure that bad guys couldn't hide by encrypting their online traffic. The FBI also was developing Carnivore, a program that agents could tailor to grab specific e-mails and other Internet communications defined in a court order. (The FBI eventually dropped Carnivore in favor of commercial software; frequent cooperation from Internet service providers often made the technology unnecessary anyway.) And all the while the NSA was harvesting the fruits of a system called Echelon, intercepting millions of international telephone calls and feeding them into the agency's humungous maw for analysis. Justifiably or not, each of these steps unsettled privacy activists. And it is that unease that colors the current fight over expanding CALEA's reach to new services such as Voice over Internet Protocol (VoIP) by 2007. The FCC says the move is critical because converting voice calls into data packets essentially replaces the old phone system. VoIP services are expected to attain some 4 million U.S. subscribers by the end of this year. "CALEA in a sense is the culmination of where we've been," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the technology and liberty program at the American Civil Liberties Union. "Now the communications network is built to be wiretap-ready, so you don't need Carnivore anymore. It's just intrinsic to the system." Clipper Chip objectors a decade ago contended that in addition to being an onerous demand, the technology could be foiled, rendering it pointless. Similarly, critics of expanding CALEA to broadband networks say the cost of rewiring -- estimated as high as $7 billion for universities alone -- is excessive. Those against expanding it to VoIP say it leaves too many holes to be effective. For example, Internet phone services such as Vonage that can route calls to regular phones will be expected to support CALEA. But "peer-to-peer" VoIP services and instant-messaging programs that carry voice conversations from one computer to another are exempt -- at least for now. "If you take the argument to its extreme, every kind of Internet application, including (file-transfer programs) and Web browsing, is capable of transmitting communications. So where does it end?" said Glenn Manishin, an attorney with Kelley Drye & Warren LLP who has handled telecom regulation cases for companies and consumer groups. "Do they now have to have a back door into every Web browser?" Plus, overseas services aren't covered by the U.S. law. Nor can it touch any home-grown Internet voice programs that serious criminals could develop. "For the past two years, law enforcement has been saying, `If we just had CALEA we'd catch all the terrorists,'" said John Morris, director of Internet standards, technology and policy at the Center for Democracy and Technology. "Well, if they're sophisticated enough to evade all of our intelligence capabilities, they'll be sophisticated enough not to use a CALEA-compliant phone service." CALEA critics also say authorities haven't shown that existing monitoring methods are so weak as to justify costly new back doors for government. Indeed, while they are not nearly as common as phone surveillance, computer wiretaps have been successful even without the extra assistance CALEA might provide. For example, a 2003 report by the Administrative Office of U.S. Courts explained how surveillance on a DSL high-speed Internet line in Minnesota intercepted 141,420 "computer messages" in three weeks, aiding a racketeering investigation. If there's one thing widely agreed upon in this debate, it's that Congress could do well to step in. Not only could lawmakers clarify how much of CALEA ought to apply to the Internet, but they might also reconsider the overarching Electronic Communications Privacy Act. That was passed in 1986, well before the Internet became the vast commercial and personal medium that redefined our categories of information. "That pervades CALEA and everything we talk about," Solove said. "This is something that Congress has been very derelict in addressing." On the Net: FBI page on CALEA: http://www.askcalea.com Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. For more news and headlines from Associated Press please go to: http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/AP.html ------------------------------ From: Mark Jewell <ap@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Massachusetts Fights Microsoft on Document Format Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:10:38 -0600 By MARK JEWELL, AP Business Writer The Revolutionary War started in Massachusetts, and now the state is firing some opening rounds in a revolt against Microsoft Corp. that seeks an open, proprietary-free format for storing electronic documents. Gov. Mitt Romney's administration has directed state government's executive offices to begin storing new records by Jan. 1, 2007, in a format that challenges Microsoft's market-dominating Office software, which isn't yet designed to support the new standard. Massachusetts is the first state to take the step, but others are closely watching a fight drawing comparisons to the battles at Lexington and Concord that opened the Revolution. "It may be the technological equivalent to the shot heard 'round the world," said Joe Wilcox, a Jupiter Research analyst. "If Massachusetts follows through with this plan, it will be a radical departure from how Microsoft and other businesses work with state governments." Massachusetts' shift to the so-called OpenDocument format seeks to ensure the state's electronic records can easily be read, exchanged and modified now and in the future, free of licensing restrictions and compatibility problems as software evolves. Microsoft and other critics of the change have warned in public hearings that the state is narrowing its options by banking on an untested format that may not work with many of the state's Office-based computer systems. The Redmond, Wash.-based company also argues the switch will hurt citizens and businesses using Office who may find state records don't translate well when they read them with their software. Among the programs that do fully work with the OpenDocument format are Sun Microsystems Inc.'s StarOffice and free products such as OpenOffice. Microsoft is trying to stem the rebellion's spread to other state governments and the private sector. Businesses sometimes follow the lead of government database managers, and software vendors try to tailor their products to government clients' preferred format. "There is a lot at stake for Microsoft," said David Smith, a Gartner Inc. analyst. "If this were to become a tremendously successful initiative, it could perhaps open the floodgates to other governments and business enterprises doing the same thing." Similar proposals in Oregon and Texas have been shot down. But officials in several other states including Rhode Island and Wisconsin continue to express interest in moving to the new data standard, said Jack Gallt, assistant director of the National Association of State Chief Information Officers. Peter Quinn, Massachusetts' chief information officer, testified at a recent legislative hearing that the switch to OpenDocument aims to transform the state from an information technology "Tower of Babel to an IT United Nations." The move will affect about 50,000 desktop PCs used by state government, many now equipped with Office software. Quinn has said computer systems using Office will be retained and not dismantled unless a cost-effective way is found to replace them. Agencies using Office software can continue doing so, as long as they begin saving documents in OpenDocument format. The switch involves only agencies within the executive branch, and doesn't apply to courts, the Legislature, and constitutional offices. It also doesn't apply to the state's Microsoft-based e-mail system. Massachusetts isn't alone in its campaign. The European Union and U.S. Library of Congress have in principle embraced OpenDocument as their preferred format. Several foreign governments also have endorsed the broader movement toward open-source software and the Linux operating system, which uses publicly available software code that can be customized. Because such software does not carry licensing fees, proponents cite cost savings and say open source is less of a target for hackers. Critics say the savings can disappear in the long run when service costs are factored in, along with compatibility problems pairing Microsoft systems with other products. Microsoft uses proprietary code for most of its products, protecting them with copyright and patent licenses restricting other developers' ability to write programs that support Microsoft software. The OpenDocument format was created by the Organization for the Advancement of Structured Information Standards, a nonprofit, international consortium that sets data standards. Its membership includes Microsoft rivals such as Sun and SAP AG. Microsoft said in June that Office 12, the next-generation version due next year, would use a different format that would make it easier for outside programs to read documents created in Word, Excel and PowerPoint. Microsoft is adopting a standard called XML that lets data be shared across different systems with a uniform appearance. But critics say that switch will still leave some code off-limits and fall far short of the OpenDocument format's minimal restrictions on developers who write supporting applications. Microsoft has said it may rely on "filters" to convert documents from one standard to another rather than building that capability within Office 12. Microsoft hopes Massachusetts legislators will slow or halt the Romney administration's directive. Some legislators and other state officials question the cost and legality, and cite objections from visually impaired people who find Office software easier to use than rival products. Sen. Marc Pacheco, a Democratic committee chairman who ordered the legislative hearing, said he wants Quinn's office "to stop and to collaborate with the necessary agencies before moving ahead with this process." Alan Yates, a Microsoft general manager, said the company was "encouraged by the additional review that the Legislature is pursuing to better understand the costs and issues associated with the existing Massachusetts policy." Romney spokesman Felix Browne said it was too early to say whether the plans to switch to OpenDocument might be altered. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Jennifer C. Kerr <ap@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Senate Sets 2009 Digital TV Deadline Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:12:11 -0600 Senate Sets 2009 Digital TV Deadline By JENNIFER C. KERR The Senate moved the digital TV transition one step closer to reality on Thursday, setting a firm date for television broadcasters to switch to all-digital transmissions. Lawmakers gave broadcasters until April 7, 2009, to end their traditional analog transmissions. The so-called "hard date" was included in a sweeping budget bill. The bill also would provide $3 billion to help millions of Americans buy digital-to-analog converter boxes for their older television sets - so those consumers will continue to receive a signal once the switch is made permanent. Legislation approved last month by the House Energy and Commerce Committee calls for a Dec. 31, 2008, deadline and provides nearly $1 billion for the converter boxes. Differences between the measures would need to be worked out in a House-Senate conference. In the Senate, an amendment by Republican John Ensign of Nevada that would have reduced the converter box subsidy to $1 billion was withdrawn. Spokesman Jack Finn said Ensign was concerned that the $2 billion in savings would be spent on other projects instead of deficit reduction. Digital television promises sharper pictures and better sound than analog TV. National Association of Broadcasters president Eddie Fritts said the 2009 deadline "represents a victory for millions of Americans who could have been left stranded by a premature end to analog television service." The move to all-digital will free valuable radio spectrum, some of which will be allocated to improve radio communications among fire and police departments and other first responders. Sen. John McCain (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., unsuccessfully offered an amendment to move up the hard date by one year, saying "first responders' ability to communicate during times of tragedy can be literally a matter of life and death." Public safety officials had pressed for the earliest possible transition. "We would have preferred an earlier date, but the most important thing is that we have a firm date so that people can start the planning and funding process," said Robert Gurss, director of legal and government affairs at the Association of Public-Safety Communications Officials. In addition to the hard date, the Senate measure also set aside an additional $1 billion for public safety to buy new radio communications equipment. The original digital television bill was sponsored by Sens. Ted Stevens, R-Alaska, and Daniel Inouye, D-Hawaii. Separately on Thursday, the Federal Communications Commission moved up by four months the date by which small TV sets sold in the U.S., those 13 inches to 24 inches, must have tuners to receive digital signals. The new deadline will be March 1, 2007. Sets under 13 inches will also have to have digital tuners by that date. The commission had previously ruled that mid-sized sets, screens from 25 inches to 36 inches, be digital-ready by March 1, 2006. On the Net: Congress: http://thomas.loc.gov Federal Communications Commission: http://www.fcc.gov Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. Also see: http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/newstoday.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 20:57:14 -0500 From: Marcus Didius Falco <falco_marcus_didius@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Newest Google Service Search the full text of books. Excellent new research service. Even obscure topics will often get excellent hits. * Original: FROM..... Mehitabel Try these....you'll be blown away......m http://print.google.com/ http://print.google.com/advanced_print_search?ie=UTF-8 Direct replies are unlikely to be read. To reply use the address below: falco(underscore)md(atsign)yahoo(dot)co(dot)uk ------------------------------ From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Phone Shown in 'Capote' / RJ Connector History Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:22:16 +0000 > As to modular connectors, I don't think they came out until the mid > 1970s. When we got new phone service in 1972, our jacks were the old > style big 4-prong. I believe my office converted to touch tone and > modular sets around 1977, many of us continue to use that system to > this day, though I think most of the WE 2500 sets have been replaced > with more modern 2500 sets or modern fancy sets. All the material I've ever seen also suggests that the modular connectors were introduced mid 1970s. I have a couple of WE-500 sets dating from 1970/71,and they still have hardwired cords. One of them came to me direct from Idaho and had the old-style 4-prong plug which was color-matched to the cord and phone (a kind of pinky-beige color). The cord actually has spade ends for wiring to a wall junction box and the plug is designed to accept the same terminations for easy conversion. > I hate sloppy history in movie props. Some years ago I used to be involved with lighting and sound for amateur dramatics, and I was always on the lookout for things which were out of place in "period" plays. Quite a few of the errors I pointed out to the producers stick in my mind to this day. There was a play set during the Korean war in which one of the leading characters almost went on stage wearing a digital watch which would have been visible to everybody in at least the front two or three rows. In the same play where a scene had rows of books on shelves, one particularly thick volume had large labeling on the spine which could easily be read at a similar distance -- "Almanac 1971." Another play set in -- if I recall correctly -- the 1930s had the set mocked up with modern-style light switches which simply didn't exist back then. On telephones, there was more than one play in which somebody in props had procurred what to them was obviously just "an old phone," and I had to point out that the British GPO 700-series phones didn't appear until the late 1950s. I was pedantic about the use of the props too. There was one play set in a small seaside town on the south coast in the early 1950s in which a character had to make a call to London. One of the older members of the cast had remembered that there was no STD back then and that a long-distance call had to be placed via the operator, but he then started dialing 100 to place the call. I had to point out that prior to STD we just dialed 0 for an operator. There were people saying "It doesn't matter," but after mentioning this the fellow thought for a moment and then recalled "Oh yeah, that's right, we did, didn't we?" So if he remembered, you can be sure somebody in the audience would spot the mistake too (and not just a telephone geek like myself!). Most people wanted to strive for accuracy as far as possible, but we had one producer who was "The what does it matter" type, and I had more than a couple of disagreements with her over technical inaccuracies. You don't even want to know what she thought we could get away with as a doorbell in "Little Women." -Paul. ------------------------------ From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Old Chicago Numbering Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:23:10 +0000 Many thanks to all who have documented their recollections. I've edited the replies together and forwarded them to assist with piecing together old memories (Bill worked in the HUmboldt office). I'm not very familiar with Chicago myself, having only ever passed through the city a couple of times, so I'm going to have to dig out some maps to follow all the descriptions! -Paul ------------------------------ From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Wabash Cannonball (Was: Old Chicago Numbering) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:24:08 +0000 > For younger readers and not particularly Telecom related ... The > nickname for the switching machine at the Chicago-Wabash CO > undoubtably comes as a reference to a very popular tune dating from > the Mid-1930s - "The Wabash Cannonball". Written by A.P. Carter, the > chorus line probably brought to mind the sound of the CO machine on a > busy afternoon: > Listen to the Jingle > The rumble and the roar > As she glides along the woodlands > Through the hills and by the shore > Hear the mighty rush of the engine > Hear those lonesome hoboes squawl > While traveling through the jungle > On the Wabash Cannonball! > The song relates a steam locomotive trip on the Ireland, Jerusalem, > Australian and Southern Michigan Railroad. Legend has it that the I, > J, A and SM was built by Cal S. Bunyan, a younger brother of Paul. > So there you have it! I grew up knowing this old song even as an English kid many thousands of miles removed from its origins. I have the Carter Family's recording of it in my record collection somewhere. -Paul ------------------------------ From: Justa Lurker <JustaLurker@att.net> Subject: Re: Recorded Call From Law Office? Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:51:16 GMT > The parking area and the drive up window were completely abandoned at > that point in time; I had originally gone by the restaurant entrance > and saw a crew working inside there, but they waved me away saying > they were closed, 'but drive through is open until midnight'. Going > around to that side, then the rude lady waved me away saying she was > not going to serve any pedestrians walking through. PAT] You are better off not eating that stuff. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You are generally correct on that. I go to get McDonalds when I a really hungry and no other place close is open. On that particular night, as I recall, the Jewish deli right across the street (where I would normally have gone was closed for the night. McDonalds was closer than the next nearest place, several blocks away. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Justa Lurker <JustaLurker@att.net> Subject: Re: Verizon POTS Organization: AT&T Worldnet Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:59:34 GMT > Verizon is famous for having crappy outside plant records. For > example, when I moved here in October, 2004 they swore up and down > that service was hooked up. Plug in the phone and no dial-tone. No NID > either. > > the ANAC number on every pair. Not only did I find my pair, I found > the NID for my apartment and the two weren't anywhere near each other, > nor was the NID connected. > Called Verizon and told em' it was pair 14 and I wanted it hooked to > my NID. The tech that came out had a good laugh, he said I'd stirred > up a hornets nest inside Verizon's install/repair depot. Customers are > NOT supposed to open terminal boxes. > But when said boxes are secured with 7/16" nuts, it isn't hard to get > in. Exact same experience getting 2nd line into our house here in Freehold, NJ in 1996 when it was still Hell, errrrr. I mean Bell Atlantic. Took them three tries to get me a working line with the number which they'd told me was assigned ... one time, they even managed to break some local business's service ... I started getting their calls instead of them. Eventually they managed to make it work correctly. Wrote a letter to president/CEO of Bell Atlantic at that time (Ray Smith, I think) along with copies to some other executives as well as the NJ PUC describing exactly what had happened. I ended up getting a phone call from some outside plant supervisor who said to call him directly if I ever had any other problems (I doubt he's even there anymore 10 years later) as well as 2 separate form letters from "Ray Smith" which promised me a service credit [they even screwed that up, instead of one month's free local service, I think I got 3 !] No wonder they call them "Public Futilities". ------------------------------ From: Tom <countmatthew@gmail.com> Subject: Can't See dot.tk Date: 5 Nov 2005 21:19:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com When I try to view my dot.tk doamin it won't show up, In fact I can't view any dot.tk domains except for the actual www.dot.tk doamin. Please help! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 04:13:31 EST From: Dan Lanciani <ddl@danlan.com> Subject: Re: Replacement for Siemens Gigaset I've been mostly satisfied with the first two generations of the 900MHz EnGenius system. It supports handset-to-handset calls but not conference. I've been thinking about my "next generation" cordless phone. It occurs to me that it might be possible to leverage my existing 802.11 access point infrastructure to support 802.11 VoIP handsets with a gateway like the Sipura SPA-3000 to a POTS line. (Obviously it could make other kinds of VoIP calls as well.) Has anybody tried to build a cordless phone this way? In reading the SPA-3000 configuration guide I think I noticed a possible problem. It appeared (and I should say that I spent very little time on this so I may have missed something) that the gateway will not forward a POTS call to VoIP unless it actually answers the call. I noticed that you can control an answer delay in order to accommodate other devices on the POTS line, but that's not quite what I want. Is there some way to send a setup message to the VoIP handset on detecting a ringing POTS line but not answer the POTS call unless the VoIP handset is itself answered? Dan Lanciani ddl@danlan.*com ------------------------------ From: Nicole Winfield <ap@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Sunday Sermon For This Week Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:13:43 -0600 Vatican: Faithful Should Listen to Science By NICOLE WINFIELD, Associated Press Writer A Vatican cardinal said Thursday the faithful should listen to what secular modern science has to offer, warning that religion risks turning into "fundamentalism" if it ignores scientific reason. Cardinal Paul Poupard, who heads the Pontifical Council for Culture, made the comments at a news conference on a Vatican project to help end the "mutual prejudice" between religion and science that has long bedeviled the Roman Catholic Church and is part of the evolution debate in the United States. The Vatican project was inspired by Pope John Paul II's 1992 declaration that the church's 17th-century denunciation of Galileo was an error resulting from "tragic mutual incomprehension." Galileo was condemned for supporting Nicolaus Copernicus' discovery that the Earth revolved around the sun; church teaching at the time placed Earth at the center of the universe. "The permanent lesson that the Galileo case represents pushes us to keep alive the dialogue between the various disciplines, and in particular between theology and the natural sciences, if we want to prevent similar episodes from repeating themselves in the future," Poupard said. But he said science, too, should listen to religion. "We know where scientific reason can end up by itself: the atomic bomb and the possibility of cloning human beings are fruit of a reason that wants to free itself from every ethical or religious link," he said. --> "But we also know the dangers of a religion that severs its links with reason and becomes prey to fundamentalism," he said. <-- "The faithful have the obligation to listen to that which secular modern science has to offer, just as we ask that knowledge of the faith be taken in consideration as an expert voice in humanity." Poupard and others at the news conference were asked about the religion-science debate raging in the United States over evolution and "intelligent design." Intelligent design's supporters argue that natural selection, an element of evolutionary theory, cannot fully explain the origin of life or the emergence of highly complex life forms. Monsignor Gianfranco Basti, director of the Vatican project STOQ, or Science, Theology and Ontological Quest, reaffirmed John Paul's 1996 statement that evolution was "more than just a hypothesis." "A hypothesis asks whether something is true or false," he said. "(Evolution) is more than a hypothesis because there is proof." He was asked about comments made in July by Austrian Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn, who dismissed in a New York Times article the 1996 statement by John Paul as "rather vague and unimportant" and seemed to back intelligent design. Basti concurred that John Paul's 1996 letter "is not a very clear expression from a definition point of view," but he said evolution was assuming ever more authority as scientific proof develops. Poupard, for his part, stressed that what was important was that "the universe wasn't made by itself, but has a creator." But he added, "It's important for the faithful to know how science views things to understand better." The Vatican project STOQ has organized academic courses and conferences on the relationship between science and religion and is hosting its first international conference on "the infinity in science, philosophy and theology," next week. On the Net: Vatican project STOQ: http://www.stoqnet.org Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. For more headline news reports, please go to: http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/TDNewsradio.html [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: There are many instances where science and religion _can_ be reconciled; so often people tend to dismiss all religious thinking as nonsense, which is a pity. Think in terms of a 'bigger picture' when confronted with seeming discrepancies between the two. 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