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TELECOM Digest     Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:50:00 EST    Volume 24 : Issue 500

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Usenet Search Engine Preps Porn for iPod (Adam Pasick)
    Date Set For Da Vinci Code Plagiarism Trial (Reuters News Wire)
    Grandpa Gets Sued Over Grandson's Downloads from Net (Milwaukee Journal)
    AOL Buys Circuit City's Music Now (Derek Caney)
    Google Offers Index of Public Domain Works (Associated Press News Wire)
    Comcast Reports Third Quarter 2005 Results (Monty Solomon)
    Cellular-News for Thursday 3rd November 2005 (Cellular-News)
    Report: DSL Gaining Fast on Cable (USTA Daily Lead)
    ECC Provides Solutions for Wireless in the Enterprise (Lisa Reyes)
    Re: Old Chicago Numbering (Jim Stewart)
    Re: Remote Call Forwarding (Brad Houser)
    Re: Verizon FIOS, DSL; Possible Cancellation Fees (jmeissen@aracnet.com)
    Re: Cingular GO Phone Questions (Joseph)

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From: Adam Pasick <reuters@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: Usenet Search Engine Preps Porn for Video iPod
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:00:41 -0600


By Adam Pasick

It may not be quite what Steve Jobs had in mind, but an online search
engine called Guba is set to offer vast amounts of pornography and
other video files, specifically tailored for Apple's new iPods.

Guba is a subscription-only search engine that culls video files from
the Usenet newsgroups, a huge repository of online content -- much of
it mostly adult, pirated, or both.

Beginning this month, Guba will convert video files from Usenet into
the format used by the iPod, known as H.264. Apple Chief Executive
Steve Jobs launched the video-enabled iPod last month along with deals
to sell downloadable music videos and TV shows.

Although Guba offers up a wide variety of video, from the satirical
news program "The Daily Show" to Japanese animation, its "erotica"
section is likely to be the biggest draw.

"We can kid ourselves, but in the end it's probably porn that people
want," said Guba Chief Executive Thomas McInerney. He noted that the
site offers a "safe mode" to filter out adult content, but does not
expect that filter to be used very much. "People do not care about the
discussion, resesearch or news groups, it is porn they expect to get
from Usenet."

Usenet predates the World Wide Web by more than a decade, and it has
developed alongside more mainstream file-sharing networks like Kazaa
and BitTorrent.

Guba specifically searches through Usenet's multimedia content, which
is not indexed by popular search engines such as Yahoo or Google. It
also converts video into standard formats, and lets users stream small
versions from its Web site.

At a time when movie studios are hyper-vigilant about online piracy,
Guba's easily accessible videos could raise hackles among Hollywood's
content owners.

Guba counters that it will strictly abide by the Digital Millennium
Copyright Act, which requires search engines to take down any content
upon request of the copyright holder. It has also blocked access to
music files and videos longer than 70 minutes.

McInerney said Guba is blocking MP3 music files "because there has
been so much litigation about music, and the RIAA (Recording Industry
of America) has been so aggressive about it." However, Guba does offer
TV files, because "the TV guys seem to understand the Internet
 ... they seem to be the next industry after music to go online,"
McInerney said.

A search of Guba revealed a wide range of TV shows, including Disney's
"Lost" and "Desperate Housewives," which are both sold online at Apple's
iTunes Music Store.

McInerney said that Guba, which charges $14.95 per month, is
profitable and has about 15 employees.

"What we'd really like to do, and what we'll need to do, is partner
with a large content company," he said. "They're getting wise to the
Internet, and they're understanding that they can't litigate it away."

Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.

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articles daily.

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From: Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: Date Set for Da Vinci Code Plagiarism Trial
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:03:29 -0600


Two historians are suing the publishers of Dan Brown's best-selling
religious thriller "The Da Vinci Code" in a case which lawyers said on
Thursday was due to start early next year.

Richard Leigh and Michael Baigent are suing Random House for lifting
"the whole architecture" of the research that went into their 1982
non-fiction book "The Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail."

Lawyers on both sides of the case met on Thursday to thrash out
technical details, and said a trial date had been set for February 27.

They would not comment on how the trial might affect sales of the
hugely successful novel or the distribution of a major Hollywood
adaptation which Sony Pictures plans to release in May next year.

Random House said a "substantial" part of the claim by Baigent and Leigh had
been dropped as a result of Thursday's discussions, and added in a
statement:

"Random House is delighted with this result, which reinforces its long-held
contention that this is a claim without merit."

A spokeswoman for Leigh said he still intended to pursue his claim against
the publishers of Brown's book, which has 36 million copies in print
worldwide and has upset Catholics for suggesting Jesus married Mary
Magdalene and had a child by her.

The same theory is put forward in The Holy Blood, and the Holy Grail.

Commentators have pointed out that a major character in Dan Brown's book,
Sir Leigh Teabing, has a name that is an anagram of Leigh and Baigent. A
third author of the 1982 book, Henry Lincoln, has decided to stay out of the
action.

Ironically, a special hardback, illustrated version of their book, called
Holy Blood, Holy Grail has just been reissued by none other than Random
House.

In August, Brown won a court ruling against another writer, Lewis Perdue,
who claimed The Da Vinci Code copied elements of two of his novels,
"Daughter of God" and "The Da Vinci Legacy."

Perdue had sought $150 million in damages and asked the court to block
distribution of the book and the movie adaptation, which features Tom
Hanks alongside French actress Audrey Tautou.


Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.

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From: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal <mjs@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: Grandpa Gets Sued Over Grandson's Downloads From Net
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 20:02:21 -0600


A 67-year-old man who says he doesn't even like watching movies has
been sued by the film industry for copyright infringement after a
grandson of his downloaded four movies on the family computer.

The Motion Picture Association of America filed a federal lawsuit
Tuesday against Fred Lawrence of Racine, seeking as much as $600,000
in damages for downloading four movies over the Internet file-sharing
service iMesh.

The suit was filed after Lawrence refused a March offer to settle the
matter by paying $4,000.

"First of all, like I say, I guess I'd have to plead being naive about
the whole thing," he said.

"I personally didn't do it, and I wouldn't do it. But I don't think it
was anything but an innocent mistake my grandson made."

Lawrence said his grandson, who was then 12, downloaded "The
Incredibles," "I, Robot," "The Grudge," and "The Forgotten" in
December, without knowing it was illegal to do so.

The Racine man said his grandson downloaded the movies out of
curiosity, and deleted the computer files immediately. The family
already owned three of the four titles on DVD, he said.

"I can see where they wouldn't want this to happen, but when you get
up around $4,000 ... I don't have that kind of money," Lawrence
said. "I never was and never will be a wealthy person."

Kori Bernards, vice president of corporate communications for MPAA,
said the movie industry wants people to understand the consequences of
Internet piracy. She said the problem is the movies that were
downloaded were then available to thousands of other users on the
iMesh network.

"Basically what you are doing when you use peer-to-peer software is
you are offering someone else's product that they own to thousands of
other people for free, and it's not fair," Bernards said.

Illegal downloading costs the movie industry an estimated $5.4 billion a
year, she said.


Information from: Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, http://www.jsonline.com

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.

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From: Derek Caney <reuters@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: AOL Buys Circuit City's Music Now
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 11:59:43 -0600


By Derek Caney

AOL said on Thursday it bought Circuit City Stores Inc.'s digital
music subscription service MusicNow LLC, a move that thrusts Time
Warner Inc.'s Internet unit into competition with RealNetworks, Yahoo,
Napster and other subscription services.

Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed, but a source familiar
with the matter said AOL paid less than $25 million.

MusicNow will offer downloads at 99 cents each, comparable to iTunes,
and it will offer monthly subscriptions for $9.95 for unlimited
downloads or streaming, which refers to listening to music online
without downloading it.

For an additional $5 a month, listeners can download songs to a
compatible digital music player.

RealNetworks Inc's Rhapsody subscription service is $9.99 a
month. Napster sells its service for $9.99 a month. Yahoo's service is
$6.99 a month, or $4.99 a month if one buys a 12-month
subscription. Last month, CNET reported that Yahoo was raising its
price to $11.99 a month for users who want to download music to
digital music players.

AOL currently has a partnership with Apple Computer Inc.'s iTunes, by
far the largest online music service. But that partnership is aimed at
members of AOL's Internet service.

The MusicNow service is available to any Internet user through AOL's
Web site. The move reflects AOL's focus on providing services through
its Web site rather than solely to its own membership.

The strategy allows AOL to build its online advertising revenue at
AOL.com and derive subscription revenue from the music service.

MusicNow also allows AOL to reach music listeners who don't own
Apple's iPods, which are only compatible with iTunes and no other
online service.  Conversely, iTunes users can only download songs to
iPods.

"AOL's partnership with iTunes is strong, has been fruitful for both
companies, and will continue," said AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham.

AOL said the agreement was signed on September 27th and closed early
this week.

Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.

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From: Associated Press News Wire <ap@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: Google Offers Index of Public Domain Works
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 12:01:17 -0600


Google Inc.'s Internet-leading search engine on Thursday will begin
serving up the entire contents of books and government documents that
aren't entangled in a copyright battle over how much material can be
scanned and indexed from five major libraries.

The list of Google's so-called "public domain" works -- volumes no
longer protected by copyright -- include Henry James novels, Civil War
histories, Congressional acts and biographies of wealthy New Yorkers.

Google said the material, available at http://www.print.google.com,
represents the first large batch of public domain books and documents
to be indexed in its search engine since the Mountain View-based
company announced an ambitious library-scanning project late last
year.

The program is designed to make more library material available
through a few clicks of a computer mouse and attract more people to
click on the highly profitable ads that Google displays on its Web
site.

During the next several years, Google wants to create digital versions
of millions of books stacked in the New York Public Library and four
university libraries -- Stanford, Harvard, Michigan and Oxford.

Google declined to disclose how many books have been scanned from the
libraries so far. The project is expected to require years to
complete.

But a bitter copyright dispute is threatening to crimp Google's
plans. The Authors Guild and five major publishers are suing to
prevent Google from scanning copyrighted material in the libraries
without explicit permission.  Because it plans to show only snippets
from copyrighted books, Google argues its scanning project constitutes
"fair use" of the material.

Google postponed the scanning of copyrighted books in August to give
writers and publishers more time to opt out of the program. The
scanning of copyrighted material resumed this week, with an emphasis
on books no longer in print.


On the Web:

http://www.google.com

Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.

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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I would also call your attention to a
satirical work by Lauren Weinstein http://vortex.com/lauren which
deals with the subject of Google's book scanning project here in our
Digest, V24_#499 from Wednesday, March 2, 2005. (Last Laugh! Google
Reality Reset.)   PAT]

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:29:57 -0500
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: Comcast Reports Third Quarter 2005 Results


Cable Revenue Increased 9.8% to $5.3 Billion

            Cable Operating Income Increased 27.1% to $948 Million
          Cable Operating Cash Flow Increased 13.9% to $2.1 Billion

                       Growth in New Services Continues
            Added 710,000 Revenue Generating Units in the Quarter

              High-Speed Internet Service Revenue Increased 26%
                     To Reach $1 Billion for the Quarter

             Invested $1 Billion in its Stock during the Quarter


PHILADELPHIA, Nov. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Comcast Corporation
(Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK) today reported results for the quarter ended
September 30, 2005.  Comcast will discuss third quarter results on a
conference call and webcast today at 8:30 AM Eastern Time.  A live
broadcast of the conference call will be available on the investor
relations website at http://www.cmcsa.com and http://www.cmcsk.com .

     - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=52817008

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Subject: Cellular-News for Thursday 3rd November 2005
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 07:42:04 -0600
From: Cellular-News <dailydigest@cellular-news-mail.com>


Cellular-News - http://www.cellular-news.com

Top ten" in mobile phone sales in Telia stores in October
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14672.php

SonyEricsson's W800i Walkman music mobile was one of the newcomers
among the best-selling phones in Telia stores in October, entering the
list directly in third place. As in September, first place was
captured by Nokia....

Yet More Handsets from Nokia
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14671.php

Nokia has extended its N series multimedia range to include three new
devices: the Nokia N92 (the world's first mobile device with a
built-in DVB-H receiver), the Nokia N71 and the Nokia N80. With these
new devices consumers can wirelessly watch mobi...

Top 10 Global Wireless Predictions for 2006
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14670.php

inCode has released its Top 10 Global Wireless Predictions for
2006. The Predictions identify key market changes for the coming year,
including: fierce competition that will leave only five handset
manufacturers standing, new business models enabled ...

French Operator Finds MMS Popular for Email Services
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14669.php

Critical Path says that the French GSM network operator, SFR has
reached 150,000 MMS Mail subscribers in just four months since the
launch of the new consumer mobile email service this summer. Despite
market research indicating that consumers want mo...

Indoor 3G Coverage Expansion
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14668.php

Arqiva's Wireless Solutions group has been chosen by Hutchison 3G UK
to utilise its 3G InBuilding antenna solution in three key retail
locations. The ten-year deal with Capital Shopping Centres sees Eldon
Square, the Victoria Centre and Lakeside bein...

Ericsson may help Russia's VimpelCom to buy URS
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14667.php

Russia's second-largest mobile operator VimpelCom has worked out a
scheme, under which Sweden's telecommunications equipment producer
Ericsson would pay part of the sum necessary to purchase Ukrainian
Radiosystems mobile operator (URS), Vedomosti b...

Thirteen Pre-qualify For Turkey's Telsim Sale
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14666.php

The Turkish Saving Deposits Insurance Fund (TMSF) Wednesday said
thirteen companies pre-qualified for the sale of GSM operator Telsim
Mobil Telekomunikasyon (TMTKM.YY), the Ihlas News Agency, or IHA,
reported. ...

Nortel Reduces Third-quarter Loss
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14665.php

Nortel Networks on Wednesday posted a narrower third-quarter loss as
the Canadian vendor sold more wireless and next-generation networking
gear. ...

UPDATE: Sprint Nextel To Join Forces With Cable Giants
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14664.php

group of major cable companies said Wednesday they will offer
wireless-phone service in partnership with Sprint Nextel Corp. in a
broad-reaching technology deal that could open up a new front in the
telecommunications wars. ...

Russia's Duma OKs 1st reading of bill seeking caller-pays principle 
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14663.php

Russia's lower house of parliament State Duma has approved Wednesday
the first reading of a draft amendment to the law on communications
seeking to introduce the Calling Party Pays (CPP) principle. ...

Ukrainian MVNO Privat: Mobile's user base up to 30,000
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14662.php

The subscriber base of Ukrainian mobile virtual network operator
(MVNO) Privat:Mobile rose to about 30,000 people as of November 1 from
about 15,000 people as of June 1, a spokesman for Ukraine's
Privatbank told Prime-Tass on Wednesday. ...

Vodafone Not Involved In TDC Bid With Swisscom - Source
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14661.php

Vodafone Group PLC, the U.K. mobile telecommunications company, isn't
involved in a joint bid for Danish TDC AS with Swisscom SA, a source
familiar with the situation told Dow Jones Newswires Wednesday. ...

UPDATE: O2 Drops After Deutsche Telekom Says It Won't Bid
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14660.php

Shares of O2 PLC dropped as much as 6% in London Wednesday after
Germany's Deutsche Telekom AG said it won't challenge Telefonica's
$31.5 billion agreed cash offer for the British mobile operator. ...

Deutsche Telekom Says Won't Counterbid For 02 PLC
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14659.php

Deutsche Telekom AG won't bid against Telefonica SA's takeover offer
for U.K.-based mobile-telecommunications operator O2 PLC, news wire
Reuters reported Wednesday, quoting Deutsche Telekom Finance Director
Karl-Gerhard Eick. ...

Ericsson Signs 3G Pact Extension With Danish TDC Mobil
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14658.php

Danish operator TDC Mobil, a unit of TDC A/S, has extended a contract
it originally signed with Telefon AB L.M. Ericsson in 2002, the
Swedish telecommunications equipment maker said Wednesday. ...

Ericsson To Supply Push E-Mail To Jordanian Operator
http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14657.php

Swedish telecommunications company Telefon AB LM Ericsson Wednesday
said it has received a contract from Jordanian operator MobileCom to
supply its push email solution, Ericsson Mobile Organizer. ...

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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 13:27:44 EST
From: USTelecom dailyLead <ustelecom@dailylead.com>
Subject: Report: DSL Gaining Fast on Cable


USTelecom dailyLead
November 3, 2005
http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xtyAatagCwgLnRftPg

		TODAY'S HEADLINES
	
NEWS OF THE DAY
* Report: DSL gaining fast on cable
BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH
* Analysis: MSOs' joint venture with Sprint Nextel takes convergence to next level
* Report: S-A hires banks for possible asset sale
* Microsoft buys VoIP software startup
* Analysis: Vonage faces uncertainty as it considers options
* Cisco bug makes Wi-Fi nets vulnerable
* P2P network goes legit
* MCI, Qualcomm, Nortel, Comcast report earnings
USTELECOM SPOTLIGHT
* You're getting USTelecom dailyLead, but are you missing part of the story?
TECHNOLOGY TRENDS
* Satellite phones experience resurgence
* Newcomer brings Wi-Fi to quiet village
REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE
* Senate committee advances VoIP 911 bill
* Video new focus of copyright battle

Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others.
http://r.smartbrief.com/resp/xtyAatagCwgLnRftPg

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From: Lisa Reyes <forums_@iec-mail.org>
Subject: ECC Provides Solutions for Wireless in the Enterprise
Date: Thu, 3 NOV 2005 10:26:43 -0600
Reply-To: lreyes@iec.org


Contact: Lisa Reyes
Phone: +1-312-559-3325
E-Mail: mailto:lreyes@iec.org

ECC Provides Solutions for Wireless in the Enterprise: Platforms for
Mobile Applications

CHICAGO November 2, 2005 The Enterprise Communications Consortium
(ECC) presents the most current wireless solutions for business in its
'Wireless in the Enterprise: Platforms for Mobile Applications'
on November 17 at Harry Caray's Restaurant at 33 West Kinzie Street
in Chicago.

Sharing their knowledge, experience, and expertise, key speakers
include Mr. Tim Gore, Director, Wi-Fi Solution Development, Lucent
Worldwide Services; Mr. Tony Hylton, Consultant and Chairman,
Technology and Infrastructure Sub-Committee, Downtown Development
Strategy; and Mr. David Dombrowski, Director, Business Development,
Enterprise Mobility, Motorola.

The one-day conference will help small businesses cut operations
costs, increase profit margin, gain in employee productivity, and
more. Sessions will help an enterprise realize the value of ubiquitous
and continuous access to their business applications while roaming
around the corporate LAN/WLAN and the public Wi-Fi hot spots, Wi-Fi
mesh networks, or 2.5/3G cellular data networks.

The morning session, led by Mr. Gore, includes perspectives from Ecutel, NetMotion, and others. They will assist business owners in comparing the potential productivity benefits of Wi-Fi solutions against security, quality of service, and cost concerns. This will be followed by a keynote address by Mr. Hylton, who will review ongoing state and federal legislative activities regarding wireless deployment.

Finally, the event will conclude with an afternoon panel, chaired by
Mr. Dombrowski, which will include Avaya, Proxim, and others in a
session addressing the next step in converging convergence. Since new
technology has emerged, the next step in convergence creates an
opportunity for enterprises to address wireless communications
needs. The session will discuss the combination of three powerful
technologies; WLAN, VoIP, and cellular into a seamless,
contiguous, wireless network enabling enterprises to reduce
communications costs, improve efficiencies, and offer new and extended
capabilities.

Business owners, managers, and interested parties can still register
at https://www.enterprisecc.org/events/november_05/reg_personal.asp or
by calling +1-312-559-4645.

The mission of the ECC focuses on providing IT infrastructure managers
and executives at commercial, academic, and government end-user
organizations with multifaceted educational opportunities to identify
key communications issues, trends, technologies, and resources central
to the current and future success of member organizations. The
International Engineering Consortium (IEC) manages the activities of
the ECC.

For more information, visit http://www.enterprisecc.org or contact
Lisa Reyes at +1-312-559-3325 or mailto:lreyes@iec.org.

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Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:25:38 -0800
From: Jim Stewart <jstewart@jkmicro.com>
Reply-To: jstewart@jkmicro.com
Organization: http://www.jkmicro.com
Subject: Re: Old Chicago Numbering 


>> Anyone traveling on Interstate 90 through Washington might be
>> interested in stopping at the telephone museum in Cle Elum.  It's in
>> the orginal manual exchange building and it was the labor of one local
>> woman to preserve as much of the manual system and equipment as
>> possible.

> Cle Elum also did a stand in for Cicely, Alaska in the CBS series
> Northern Exposure!

Northern Exposure's Cicely was actually shot in Roslyn, 2 miles east
of Cle Elum.

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From: Brad Houser <bradDOThouser@intel.com>
Subject: Re: Remote Call Forwarding
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2005 12:47:28 -0800
Organization: Intel Corporation
Reply-To: bradDOThouser@intel.com


On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 14:39:13 EST, Nhfloral@aol.com wrote:

> You find that two businesses charge an hourly fee of $150 per hour,
> with a $5 per mile service fee. One savvy business charges $119 per
> hour, plus $5 per mile service fee. Who are you going to call, being a
> reasonable consumer?  (The Federal Trade Commission examines
> information from the viewpoint of a reasonable consumer, when
> determining if deception has occurred.)  If you choose business #2 who
> charges the lowest hourly fee ... You just got screwed.  LOL They
> fooled you, huh?  Were you decieved?

Caveat Emptor. If you are going to pay mileage it would not be
unreasonable to ask how many miles from where you are to my place. At
$5 a mile, that $31 difference would be covered in only 6.2 miles.

Brad Houser


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You see, another thing which made
nhfloral's comparison to me (here in Independence) invalid in this
case was that although I do not personally drive a car, so would have
no need for mechanical services, I honestly have to wonder if I do not
live in the midst of a giant car garage here; I am forever seeing the 
hillbillies who live across the alley and down a few doors out in
their own garage or backyard working on their own or someone else's
car; 'jumping' the battery to get it started or doing other
repairs. So while it is _not impossible_ that someone with car
troubles could wind up calling some distant auto mechanic to come
rescue them it is quite unlikely. Furthermore, there are a few young
guys here in town who are part of a 'Good Samaritan' group who, on
call from the Montgomery County Sheriff accompany the sheriff in their
own truck to pour a gallon of gas into a car which ran out anywhere in
our county (for intance Highway 77 or 169) with a cellphone and other
simple supplies (can of oil, etc). They also tow vehicles back into 
town to one of the service stations. A nice bunch of young kids.  

A summer ago, a friend and I were riding back into town from a small
village near Coffeyville, called Tyro, KS (population of Tyro is all 
of 250 people). On the 'Tyro cutoff', a very dark, very narrow two
lane road which runs from Highway 77 south ten miles through Tyro and
on to the Oklahoma border, we passed a older lady with a young child
sitting on the side of the road. My friend and I decided to check it
out, the lady said her car had either overheated or had gasoline vapor
lock, I forget which. I offered her my cell phone but she had no one
to call; so I wound up calling the sheriff for her. We waited there
with her and her kid; about 20-25 minutes later here came a Sheriff
Deputy to talk to her. About the same time he pulled up, a truck came
up with two guys (both older teenagers, about 18-19) pulled up as well.
They get out of their truck, go and begin examining her engine,
etc. In the back of the litle truck they carry a few gallons of water, 
some oil and gasoline (but very little! too dangerous to carry much of
it back there.) The sheriff talked to the lady, the guys got her car
restarted. I think -- not sure -- they are called 'Good Samaritans'
and are volunteers helping with radio calls from the Sheriff. Small,
rural areas are nice in that way.  Coincidentally, my friend who had
always been opposed to cell phones until that time ("they are used
by people who want to think they are important") observed all this
closely. Next time I went out riding with him I notice he had
installed a cell phone in his car, something he _never_ would have
done even six months earlier.    PAT]

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From: jmeissen@aracnet.com
Subject: Re: Verizon FIOS, DSL, and Possible Cancellation Fees
Date: 3 Nov 2005 01:48:54 GMT
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com


In article <telecom24.499.14@telecom-digest.org>,
<jeremyeastburn@gmail.com> wrote:

> I currently am in the middle of a 1 year contract with Verizon DSL. I
> want to order Verizon FIOS but am worried about getting hit with the
> cancellation fee. I spoke with a DSL rep (FIOS was busy all day and I
> couldn't get through) and they said I could possibly have to pay the
> cancellation fee. My take is that I am upgrading my Verizon DSL
> service to Verizon FIOS service. I will be paying more money each
> month for FIOS so why would they want to hit me with a cancellation
> fee when I am actually upgrading.

Who is your ISP? If you are currently with Verizon Online and the FIOS
is with Verizon Online (you have no choice about that, actually), then
I would think it's not a problem.


John Meissen                                    jmeissen@aracnet.com

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From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cingular GO Phone Questions
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 07:18:49 -0800
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com


On 1 Nov 2005 23:21:10 -0800, apngss@yahoo.com wrote:

> Anyone using Cingular GO phone
> http://onlinestorez.cingular.com/cell-phone-service/gophone/index.jsp
> or have that experience? I have couple questions:

> 1) Does "Go Phone" have the same reception strength as regular Cingular
> phone? In terms of reception, does it make any differences? Is "Go
> Phone" using GSM?

I'm not entirely sure of the terms of service for Go Phone, but my
guess is that regular Cingular reception is identical to that of a
tradtional monthly subscriber.  The difference may be when you are out
of the native cingular area.  If you are out of the Cingular area you
may not have any service or you may pay a considerable amount to roam
on another carrier's system *if* a roaming agreement is in place.  If
no roaming agreement is in place you'll only have access to emergency
(911) service.

> 2) Do we need to pay tax and other surcharges for "Go Phone"? I don't
> use phone too much, plus I don't like the regular phone needs to pay
> almost $9 for the tax and other surcharges.

I've not bought Cingular refill cards but there *may* be local sales
tax on the amount of the card.  Any other "surcharges" are already
included (USF, 911 fees, county/city/fed taxes etc.)  Other than that
you will not pay any other taxes.



[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I have noticed here that Cingular
Wireless prepaid phones (although I used to have AT&T prepaid until
they were bought out) is different than 'regular' service. Here in our
town, they are still going with the mechanics of AT&T Wireless (for
prepaid) and treating us like 'roamers' because that is what AT&T
did with us. No matter I guess, since it is 25 cents per minute for
either local or roaming on Cingular Prepaid service here.   PAT]

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