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TELECOM Digest Wed, 19 Oct 2005 14:02:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 474 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Google Loses Name 'gmail' in Lawsuit Against Company (Reuters News Wire) Email Spammers Face Jail Time Under New Nigerian Laws (Camillus Eboh) Highlights of Third-Quarter Results Cingular Wireless (Monty Solomon) Easements (was Alamogordo Telephone Office) (Neal McLain) How Switchboards Work? (AM) Heights Some People Go to Avoiding Telcos and Cable (Danny Burstein) Cellular-News For Wednesday 19th October 2005 (Cellular-News) Re: Note to Drivers: Lose the Phone (and Lipstick) (Paul Coxwell) Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? (William Warren) Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? (Harold Hallikainen) Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene (Joseph) Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene (Tim@Backhome.org) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Google Loses Name 'gmail' in Lawsuit Against Company Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:50:29 -0500 Internet search leader Google has been forced to change the name of its free Gmail email service in Britain after failing to secure the necessary trademark. Google has been sparring with UK financial research company Independent International Investment Research (IIIR) since launching Gmail on April 1, 2004 and shaking up the free email market by offering large amounts of storage for free. Starting Wednesday, British users who sign up for Gmail, which has been in a "beta" trial phase since its launch last year, will receive addresses ending in "googlemail.co.uk" rather than "gmail.com." Existing users will be able to keep their current email addresses, the company said. IIIR's Pronet subsidiary has a Web-based email service called G-Mail. Google did not file a trademark application until its own service had already launched. The two companies have been in heated negotiations to settle the dispute, but they have been unable to reach an agreement. "This company has been very focused on a monetary settlement," Google said in a statement. "We went back and forth trying to settle on reasonable terms, but the sums of money this company is demanding are exorbitant." Google has already changed the name of its email service from Gmail to Googlemail in Germany, but said it does not plan to change the name in any other countries. "Google asked us at one point what it would cost to make the problem go away. We had an independent valuation commission assess what the value of the trademark actually is, but we couldn't reach a settlement," IIIR Chairman and Chief Executive Shane Smith told Reuters. The IIR-commissioned assessment pegged the value of the Gmail name at a minimum of 25 million pounds. Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Camillus Eboh <reuters@telecom-digest.org> Subject: Email Spammers Face Jail Time Under New Nigerian Laws Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:50:03 -0500 By Camillus Eboh ABUJA (Reuters) - Nigeria, home to some of the world's most notorious cyber crimes, has proposed a law making spamming a criminal offence for which senders of unsolicited emails could be jailed for at least three years. The draft law identifies the use of computers for fraud, spamming, identity theft, child pornography and terrorism as criminal offences punishable by jail terms of between six months and five years, and fines of 10,000 naira to 1 million naira. Under the bill, which has to be approved by the National Assembly to become law, convicted spammers face jail terms of three to five years and could also be made to hand the proceeds of crime to the government. "Any person spamming electronic messages to recipients with whom he has no previous relationship commits an offence," said a section of the draft law obtained by Reuters on Wednesday. Under the proposed law, service providers who aid and abet cyber crimes and fail to cooperate with law enforcement agents could be fined between 500,000 and 10 million naira. The draft law empowers law enforcement agents to enter and search any premises or computer and arrest any person in connection with an offence. The advance fee email scam, known as "419" after the relevant section of the Nigerian Criminal Code, is a computer age version of a con game dating back hundreds of years and is sometimes called "The Spanish Prisoner." Typically spammers send millions of unsolicited emails around the world promising recipients a share in a fortune in return for an advance fee. Those who pay wait in vain for the promised windfall. President Olusegun Obasanjo has been keen to clean Nigeria's image as a country of spammers and one of the world's most corrupt nations since he was elected in 1999, ending 15 years of military rule in Africa's to oil producer. President Obasanjo noted that "these people, these spammers, have almost ruined any chance for Nigeria to compete in the international community because of their deliberate cheating. I will not permit our country to be ruined like that. From now on, severe punishment awaits every one of them." He set up the Economic and Financial Crimes Commission in 2003 to crack down on email fraudsters who had elevated scamming to one of the country's main foreign exchange earners after oil, natural gas and cocoa, according to campaigners. The anti-fraud agency is investigating hundreds of suspects and prosecuting over 50 cases involving about 100 suspects. The agency got its first major conviction in July when a court sentenced a woman whose late husband masterminded the swindling of $242 million from Brazilian Banco Noroeste S.A. between 1995 and 1998, one of the world's biggest email scams. The agency signed a deal with Microsoft last week to help fight spamming, phishing, spyware, viruses and counterfeiting. President Obasanjo noted that "the fine American company Microsoft is going to help us bring an end to this scourge against the citizens of our country. Starting now, all spammers in Nigeria will go to jail. " Copyright 2005, Reuters. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: It will indeed be good if Microsoft takes a leadership role in helping this backward country (Nigeria) clean up its act. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:39:44 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Highlights of Third-Quarter Results for Cingular Wireless - Normalized OIBDA margin of 31.6 percent for the quarter, a 270-basis- point sequential improvement - Gross subscriber additions of 4.4 million and net subscriber additions of 867 thousand; 52.3 million cellular/PCS subscribers at quarter's end - Data ARPU grows to $4.33, a sequential improvement of 4.1 percent - Continued strength in enterprise services, with more than 700 new high-end service contracts in the quarter - UMTS/HSDPA roll-out on track - Merger initiatives on or ahead of schedule - Continued progress in transitioning subscribers to GSM, with 93 percent of minutes now on Cingular's GSM network ATLANTA, Oct. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- Cingular Wireless, which is a joint venture between SBC Communications Inc. (NYSE:SBC) and BellSouth Corporation (NYSE:BLS), today reported solid third-quarter results driven by expanded margins, progress on merger initiatives, growth of data ARPU, and continued strength in enterprise services. For the quarter, the nation's largest wireless provider had OIBDA margins, normalized to exclude merger-related integration costs and costs associated with Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, of 31.6 percent, which represents a sequential improvement of 270 basis points. (OIBDA margin is operating income (loss) before depreciation and amortization, divided by total service revenues.) For the first time since its acquisition of AT&T Wireless, Cingular's OIBDA margins were higher than in the comparable quarter in the prior year. This strong showing in margins was in part the result of the company's continued progress in its merger integration initiatives, which are on or ahead of schedule. For example, by the end of the year Cingular will have integrated its own and former AT&T Wireless GSM networks in 30 markets and created a single TDMA network in all its markets. Cingular's data ARPU improved 4.1 percent sequentially to $4.33, and the company's Business Markets Group signed up more than 700 new high-end service contracts in the quarter. Gross subscriber additions continued to be strong at 4.4 million. Net additions were 867 thousand, which was 7.3 percent higher than pro forma net additions in the year-ago third quarter. Postpaid net additions were up by 56 percent compared to the year-ago third quarter. (Pro forma results reflect the acquisition of AT&T Wireless, plus related acquisitions and dispositions, as if they had occurred on January 1, 2003.) Cingular ended the third quarter of 2005 with 52.3 million cellular/PCS subscribers. Monthly subscriber churn was 2.3 percent, which was a sequential increase of 10 basis points, and post-paid churn was 2.0 percent, which was a sequential increase of 20 basis points. Churn results reflect seasonal patterns and a relatively high number of contract expirations in the quarter, the company noted. - http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=52449401 ------------------------------ From: Neal McLain <nmclain@annsgarden.com> Subject: Easements (was Alamogordo Telephone Office) Reply-To: nmclain@annsgarden.com Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 03:10:30 -0400 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > As I understand real estate law, such easements for utilities are > part of the general law and not necessarily shown on someone's > deed. There is nothing to stop the phone, power, or water company > from digging up your front lawn to run or maintain lines, whether > you like it or not. True, provided that the easement document has been recorded. Such easements may be recorded as part of a plat map, a survey map, or a separate document. Individual property deeds often include some catchall phrase like "subject of easements of record"; however, recorded easements still apply even if individual deeds don't mention them. > The law is fuzzier when it comes to newer services such as cable > and fiber optic. Franchised cable TV operators have a federal right to utilize easements recorded "for compatible uses." 47 U.S.C. 541(a)(2). The term "compatible uses" is usually construed to mean easements dedicated for electric power and/or telephone facilities. http://tinyurl.com/84syy In most states, telcos offering cable TV-like video services must obtain local CATV franchises; thus, they have the same federal right to use easements. In Texas, SBC now has a statewide CATV franchise, which presumably grants it the same right; however, there will undoubtedly be much litigation before it's settled. > They [cable TV operators] don't have quite the same "common > carrier" status as the old line utility service. Cable TV operators are indeed not common carriers, but that doesn't mean they don't have a legal right to use recorded easements. See my previous post on this subject at http://tinyurl.com/7onfs . > Even established carriers have to handle things differently for new > services. For example, when Verizon strung fiber through our area > for its FIOS service, they needed municipal permission ... i.e., a cable TV franchise. > ... and they did not provide it universally. If Verizon obtained a franchise that does not impose the same requirements on Verizon that it imposes on the incumbent cable TV franchisee, you can expect some litigation. SBC's statewide franchise in Texas contains a similar exemption, and Time Warner has already field suit. Neal McLain ------------------------------ From: AM <am@am.am> Reply-To: am@am.am Subject: How Switchboards Work? Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 15:01:05 GMT Organization: [Infostrada] Hello telco gurus, I am new about switchboards and our telco operator talked to me about analysis trees and so on that are a default for a switchboard. I would gather material and documents about how a switchboard works. Could you point me in the right direction, please? Any link will be appreciate. Alex. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might begin by looking through our Frequently Asked Questions http://telecom-digest.org/index.html and see if there is anything on those pages which can be of help to you, and perhaps some other readers here with information about 'analysis trees' can provide some help as well. Good luck in your research, and stay in touch with us with any questions you have. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com> Subject: The Heights Some People go to Avoid Telcos and Cable Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 09:44:00 -0400 Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC " A blisteringly fast data downlink provided by a stratospheric balloon floating 24,000 metres above the Earth has been tested for the first time. " The untethered, 12,000-cubic-metre helium balloon was tested on 31 August for several hours. Analysis now shows the test was a success and sent data to the ground at 1.25 gigabits per second. That is thousands of times the capacity of a home broadband internet connection and the first time such a link has been tested from the stratosphere..... [ snip ] http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8177 ( and... a url in the article gets you to some video: http://www.capanina.org/documents/CAPANINA_testing_tracking_system.mpg _____________________________________________________ Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key dannyb@panix.com [to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded] ------------------------------ Subject: Cellular-News for Wednesday 19th October 2005 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:29:34 -0500 From: Cellular-News <dailydigest@cellular-news-mail.com> Cellular-News - http://www.cellular-news.com 3G, Other Market Trends Challenge Handset Component Makers http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14462.php Wireless handset component makers are scrambling to support some challenging market trends including the proliferation of 3G services, reports In-Stat. By mid-2005, the number of 3G subscribers (CDMA2000 1X EV-DO & WCDMA) exceeded 50 million, the hig... Samsung Handset with Hard Drive http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14461.php Samsung has introduced a 3GB hard-drive embedded phone, model SPH-V7900. This is Samsung's latest model equipped with a hard disc drive following the world's first mobile phone equipped with 1.5GB hard disc drive, model SPH-V5400, which Samsung intro... Overview of the Jordanian Telecoms Market http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14460.php Sailing into un-chartered regional telecom territory, Jordan leads the region in full telecom market liberalization. Jordan is now one of the regional pioneers in the full liberalization of the communications market. By end of 2004, the exclusivity o... Improving T-Mobile's Network http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14459.php Over 1,000 of T-Mobile Germany's mobile stations have been modernized by Ericsson since July says the company. The network quality will once again be noticeably improved with the replacement of the equipment. In addition, operating and energy costs w... Orange Testing 3G Evolution Technologies http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14458.php Orange Slovakia says that it is testing two technical solutions that would give Orange customers mobile broadband internet access with megabit speeds. The first, HSDPA, can reach peak sector speeds of up to 14 Mbps under ideal conditions. HSDPA is a ... CDMA Deployment in Macau http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14457.php Lucent Technologies has completed the deployment of a CDMA2000 1X network for Macau Unicom, a subsidiary of China Unicom based in Macau. As part of Macau Unicom's CDMA2000 1X network deployment, Lucent supplied its Compact 4.0 base stations and mobil... Automatic handset Configuration Live on Four Networks http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14456.php Insignia Solutions has said that it is supporting four mobile operator deployments of the new Insignia Automatic Device Configuration (Insignia ADC) solution. ADC allows mobile operators to trigger device management operations automatically when a mo... HSDPA is Just Around the Corner http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14455.php High speed downlink packet access (HSDPA) will soon become a commercial reality, with many operators currently conducting trials. IDC expects many of the operators to launch in 2006, but a minority number are seeking to open their respective networks... Improving Austrian Network Perfomance http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14454.php Austrian mobile operator tele.ring has licensed Andrew Corporation's Optum automated cell planning tool. Optum automatically finds the optimal radio network configuration for an operator--the right mix of power levels, antenna type, direction, and ti... Analog Supporting Chinese 3G Standard http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14453.php Analog Devices has announced that China's ZTE Corporation has designed it's SoftFone-LCR chipset and Datang Mobile's solution into its new 3G TD-SCDMA U310 handset and MU100 data card. Analog Devices' SoftFone-LCR chipset is based on the popular RAM-... Alcatel Wins GSM Contract in Togo http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14452.php Alcatel has been awarded a US$15.6 million contract with Togo Cellulaire, the leading mobile operator in Togo, to expand and upgrade its GSM network across the country. The contract has been won through Alcatel Shanghai Bell, Alcatel's Chinese flagsh... Russia To Decide On Tender For Far East Cell License http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14451.php The Russian State Commission for Radio Frequencies said Tuesday it will decide in November on terms for a tender for frequencies in the Russian far east, with interested parties including KT Corp. (KTC) and OAO Vimpel Communications (VIP). ... French Telecom Regulator Says 76 Operators Bid For WiMax http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14450.php France's telecommunications regulator Tuesday said 76 operators have indicated they intend to bid for a license to provide wireless Internet services over a WiMax network. ... Nextel Partners Sees 32% Gain In Sales http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14449.php Nextel Partners Inc. said Tuesday that third-quarter revenue rose 32% on a preliminary basis, while the company added a record 107,200 wireless-phone customers. ... Brazil Mobile Phone Subscribers Up 21.8% Jan-Sep http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14448.php Brazilian mobile phone companies added 14.3 million customers in the first nine months of the year, bringing the total subscriber base to 79.9 million consumers, telecommunications regulator Anatel said Tuesday. ... Ericsson Upgrades Cingular 3G Network In Texas http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14447.php Swedish telecommunications equipment maker Telefon AB LM Ericsson (ERICY) Tuesday said it has successfully upgraded Cingular Wireless' (CIW.XX) infrastructure in the Dallas/Fort Worth market. ... 3 UK Looks To Exploit Mobile Advertising Potential http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14446.php 3 UK, the U.K. mobile telecommunications company owned by Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. (0013.HK), Tuesday said it sees a big opportunity to exploit advertising opportunities on its network. ... Nokia Makes Step Forward In Microwave Access R&D Plan http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14445.php Finland's Nokia Oyj (NOK) Tuesday said its Network business group has completed a data call as part of its Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access development program. ... 3 UK On Track For EBITDA Break-Even By Year End http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14444.php 3 UK, the mobile telecommunications unit of Hutchison Whampoa Ltd. (0013.HK), Tuesday said it is on track to achieve its key financial target of break-even, including subscriber acquisition costs, by the year end. ... Ericsson Gets Orders Worth $290 Million From China Mobile Units http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14443.php Swedish telecommunications equipment maker Telefon AB LM Ericsson (ERICY) Tuesday said it has received contracts worth around $290 million from Chinese operators Guangdong Mobile Communication Corporation Ltd. and Guangxi Mobile Communication Corpora... Europe's Mobile Phone Market Grows 10% In 3Q - GfK Research http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14442.php Market research firm GfK said the European handset market has delivered 10% growth in the third quarter, with a phone from Sony Ericsson proving the hottest sell in the period. ... Venezuela CANTV Upgrades Contingency Reserves To $332.6 Million http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14441.php Venezuela's largest telecommunications company, CA Nacional Telefonos de Venezuela (VNT), or CANTV, has decided to increase its contingency reserves to 715 billion bolivars ($332.6 million) for the third quarter to cover an adjustment in workers' pen... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 10:12:51 +0100 From: Paul Coxwell <paulcoxwell@tiscali.co.uk> Subject: Re: Note to Drivers: Lose the Phone (and Lipstick) >> So I guess that means no more talking on the ham radio while driving >> as well. Or would being licensed by the FCC preclude state or local >> laws? > Being licensed by the FCC does trump any lower-level government > attempt to regulate the Federally regulated activity. > HOWEVER, the state law does not regulate use of amateur radio. it > regulates _driving_an_automobile_. It says that you cannot drive > while you are doing certain other things. You are penalized for > driving while doing that 'other thing', not for doing that 'other > thing "while driving". It is a subtle distinction, no doubt, but that > is the way the law works. It would also be a good idea to check the EXACT wording of your state law. A cellphone law was passed here in Britain a short while ago, but the law specifically lists the relevant GSM bands and the band applies only to equipment using those frequencies (and then only if handheld). Thus the use of any other two-way radio while driving is still quite legal. -Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:59:46 -0400 From: William Warren <william_warren_nonoise@speakeasy.net> Subject: Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? Gordon S. Hlavenka wrote: > So, what do I do now? Obviously I'm going to call Qwest back and > raise whatfor, but then what? If I can't get my LD account "fixed" > then I'll have to port the 800 number elsewhere; any suggestions for > cheaply "parking" an 800 number? [snip] Check out the CLEC's in your area: in your case, the smaller ones are the best. They'll be able to set up pretty much any arrangement you want. Don't forget that it's YOUR number, not QWEST's. If QWEST gives you trouble about a transfer, tell your new provider to force the change -- there's a nominal fee, but a "force" bypasses the old carrier completely. > Also, any suggestions as to how somebody could be cramming these LD > calls onto my account? [snip] "Cramming" may be the right word: it's possible they're being added in the data-processing system, either because of a programming error or due to a mistake by a CO Tech who has set up someone else's number to bill to yours. I suggest you take these steps, and ignore any demand that you deal with only one person and/or agency: 1. File a fraud complaint with the FCC, with copies to your Senators and Congressman. 2. File a fraud complaint with the PUC, with copies to your local and state officials. 3. File a fraud complaint with the telco security department. 4. File a fraud complaint with EVERY consumer-help reporter at EVERY local TV station. 5. File a fraud complaint with the consumer-affairs reporter at EVERY newspaper that serves your area. 6. Demand to see the AMA Local Usage Detail records from your central office. Don't let anyone tell you they can't provide them; they do it routinely for the police. 7. Demand to see a printout of all Call Detail Records that applied to your account in the billing system(s). Ditto for these - keep harping on how easily the police can get them, and remember that these are NOT the same as the central office records. (This is where cramming happens). 8. Demand that the cable department check every terminal that connects to your cable pair to be sure no one is doing clip-on fraud. Ditto the CO inside wiring. 9. Demand that the Central Office supervisor personally check your CO translations and certify that no other dial tone is being billed to your line. Ignore any assurances that it "couldn't happen", because it did and it does: the service reps usually have access only to a provisioning system, not the actual CO computer. Long story short: make a lot of noise, and do whatever you can to force the customer reps to deal with other departments and agencies. ILECs are vertically structured, so it's important to go both _up_ and _across_ the chain of command: it's harder for them to cope with inquiries from outside their "smokestack", i.e., questions from other agencies or departments that cross the boundaries they're used to dealing with. 1. When you speak with anyone at QWEST or the ILEC, demand to have the real name and phone number for every person you talk to: anyone who won't give it to you is a functionary with no real authority. 2. Demand to speak to the the boss, again and again, and demand that whomever you're referred to give you _their_ boss' name, title, and contact number _before_ you'll talk to them. 3. Never take vague assurances that they'll "look into it" or that they'll "contact their supervisor". Demand a specific time when you will be contacted, and the name _and contact number_ of the person to whom the problem is being referred. Always ask if the contact time is after the shifts change, and if so, demand to go higher right away. 4. Consider recording your phone calls: you do NOT need to have a "beep" tone on the line so long as you tell people that they're being recorded. This is a double-edged sword, but it's very effective at getting you out of the lower echelons quickly. 5. If someone from the legal department calls you, insist on speaking to an attorney. Don't let them tell you that a lawyer can only talk to a lawyer. Keep your eyes on the prize: you want your account flagged with a big notice saying "Supervisor access only. Legal department must be notified of any change. FCC/PUC inquiry pending." Your "end state" is not just to get credit for these calls, but to be someone they want to keep happy in the future. Oh, and just to be safe, tell your kids that you're going to do all this and that they may have to talk to the police, and ask them if there is any chance they or their friends made a mistake and called Mexico. FWIW. YMMV. Don't ask me how I know. :-( William William Warren (Filter noise from my address for direct replies) ------------------------------ From: harold@hallikainen.com <harold@hallikainen.com> Subject: Re: Giant Conspiracy or Just Rotten Luck? Date: 19 Oct 2005 10:23:19 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com I wonder if there's a forgotten bridge tap off your pair somewhere. Someone just plugged a phone in and it worked (on your line). It'd be interesting to hang a line activated voice recorder (that starts when line voltage drops) across the line to see if you can catch any of these calls to Mexico being placed "on your line" Harold ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:07:37 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com On 18 Oct 2005 08:17:42 -0700, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote: > For many years, on TV the ringer sound for a telephone often did not > match the telephone set shown. In earlier years a 300 set or separate > bell box ringer would be used for a 500 set. In later years, a modern > phone with an electronic ringer would still sound like a mechanical > bell and vice versa. TV isn't very good about matching phones with their real sounds. How many shows have you seen where someone uses a pay phone and when they insert the money it goes "ding-ding?" Ding-ding went out with the demise of the three slot payphone (around the middle of the 60s.) I'm guessing that most people casually wouldn't have a clue that the ringing of a phone's sound was wrong. How many times have I seen a show with a 2554 wall phone that rings with a dual gong ringer sound? Plenty! ------------------------------ From: Tim@Backhome.org Subject: Re: TV Show - Legacy Phone in Scene Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 07:19:56 -0700 Organization: Cox Communications hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:.) > For many years, on TV the ringer sound for a telephone often did not > match the telephone set shown. In earlier years a 300 set or separate > bell box ringer would be used for a 500 set. In later years, a modern > phone with an electronic ringer would still sound like a mechanical > bell and vice versa. How about the often incorrect ringback tones from the C.O.? Or, the immediate return to dial tone when the other party suddenly hung up? 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