TELECOM Digest     Fri, 7 Oct 2005 13:46:00 EDT    Volume 24 : Issue 457

Inside This Issue:                            Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Cellular-News for Friday 7th October 2005 (Cellular-News)
    Crossbar PABX Wanted (Larry R)
    Vonage and the 500 Minute Plan (Henry Cabot Henhouse III)
    Obituary: Passing of Little Known Influential Telecom Figure (Lapsley)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (Steven Lichter)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (Danny Burstein)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (Daniel AJ Sokolov)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (David Clayton)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (Joseph)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (BobGoudreau)
    Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband (John Levine)
    Re: Finally Cutting the POTS Cord (John McHarry)

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Subject: Cellular-News for Friday 7th October 2005
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 07:28:23 -0500
From: Cellular-News <dailydigest@cellular-news.com>


Cellular-News - http://www.cellular-news.com

  Camera Phones to Represent 90% of Western European Mobile Phone Shipments
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14320.php

According to a recent forecast published by IDC, camera phone
shipments in Western Europe are set to reach 179 million units in
2009, to constitute just over 90% of total mobile phone shipments. IDC
predicts a compound a...

  New Bang & Olufen Phone Launched
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14321.php

Bang & Olufen has shown off its latest handset, developed in
co-operation with Samsung. Since early 2004, the two companies have
cooperated to realise this idea and the result is a truly unique
product. The name of the p...

  East European Wireless Profitability Continues Rapid Slide
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14322.php

Strategy Analytics has reported that average margins per user (AMPUs)
in Central and Eastern Europe fell almost 30% to just US$6 per month
in 2Q 2005. Operators in the region are losing ground with AMPU levels
50% below ...

  FOCUS: Russia mulls fighting mobile handset thieves
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14293.php

Russia is facing a rising problem of mobile handsets theft. In 2004,
the Moscow police officially registered over 7,000 mobile handset
thefts. However, analysts consider that the real number of stolen
mobile handsets is ...

  Belarus MDC mobile subscriber base up 4.1% in September
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14297.php

The subscriber base of Belarus mobile phone operator Mobile Digital
Connection (MDC) increased 4.1% on the month in September to 1.645
million users, the company said Tuesday. ...

  Ukraine's Jeans mobile subscriber base up to 5 mln users Sep 30 
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14300.php

The subscriber base of Ukraine's Jeans rose 74% since the beginning of
the year to 5 million users as of September 30, Ukrainian Mobile
Communications (UMC) said in a press release. ...

  Russia's Euroset to cooperate in MVNO project with MTT
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14301.php

Russia's largest mobile handset retailer Euroset has concluded an
agreement with Multiregional Transit Telecom (MTT) on cooperation in
the development of Euroset's mobile virtual network operator (MVNO)
project, an MTT...

  TeliaSonera says holders to invest $60 mln in Moldova's Moldcell in 5 yrs
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14303.php

Shareholders of Moldova's mobile service operator Moldcell plan to
invest U.S. $60 million in the company within five years, Anders Igel,
CEO of TeliaSonera, Moldcell's key shareholder, said Wednesday. ...

  Motorola Cutting 1,900 Jobs In More Than 20 Countries
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14311.php

(AP)--Motorola Inc. (MOT) is cutting 1,900 jobs at 29 different
U.S. and international locations in an effort to improve operating
efficiency, the company said Wednesday. ...

  Venezuela Fines and Shuts Nokia, Siemens and Ericsson Offices
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14312.php

nes)- Venezuela's tax agency Seniat said Wednesday it imposed fines
and ordered the temporary closing of various foreign companies due to
tax irregularities. ...

  Belarus' BeST to buy $234 mln equipment from Alcatel Shanghai 
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14313.php

Belarus state-controlled mobile operator Belarus Telecommunications
Network, or BeST, has signed an agreement with China's Alcatel
Shanghai Bell to purchase the Chinese company's telecommunications
equipment for U...

  Telecom Merger Talk Sweeps Europe; Eircom The Latest
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14314.php

s) -- Eircom Group PLC soared as much as 10% Thursday on a report that
Swisscom AG has approached the Irish fixed-line telecom with a view to
a making a 3 billion-euro bid. ...

  Magyar Telekom Board OKs Mobile Arm Merger With Fixed Line
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14315.php

ones)- Hungary's leading telecommunications company, Magyar Telekom
Rt. (MTELEKOM.BU), said Thursday that its board approved the merger of
the company's mobile arm, T-Mobile Hungary Rt., into the fixed line
segment, T-Co...

  Russia's VimpelCom to launch tariff with free cell phone in Dec
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14316.php

Russia's second-largest mobile operator VimpelCom plans to launch a
tariff with a free mobile handset included in the price of the
subscription fee, the company said in a press release Thursday. ...

  Investcom Shares Higher In Conditional Trading In London
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14317.php

were sharply higher in conditional trading in London after the
Beirut-based cellphone operator earlier Thursday priced its initial
public offering at the top of the range used to survey investor
interest. ...

  News Leaks Put Pressure On TDC To Make Statement
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14318.php

Jones)- Danish telecommunications company TDC A/S (TLD) could be
compelled by regulators to make a statement on efforts to take over
the company, following news reports that it is cooperating with
bidders. Danish Bourse...

  Russia’s VimpelCom user base in Far East hits 1 million people 
  http://www.cellular-news.com/story/14319.php

The subscriber base of Russia's second-largest mobile operator
VimpelCom in the country's Far East Federal District has exceeded 1
million people, the company said on Thursday. ...

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Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 19:44:53 PDT
From: Larry R <_lr_@yahoo.com>
Subject: Crossbar PABX wanted


Does anyone out there know of a crossbar PABX, preferably Western
Electric, that might be available? Location in the Northeast would be
a big plus. The plan is to use it as a sink for my extra time and
money, hopefully getting it operating someday. If you know of one,
please write to me at this address.

Thanks,

Larry Rachman

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Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 22:16:17 -0700
From: Henry Cabot Henhouse III <sooper_chicken@hotmail.com>
Subject: Vonage and the 500 Minute Plan


When I signed up with Vonage in December '03, I did the 500 minute
plan, which was perfect.  I seem to recall that all local calls - in
our case in Los Angeles within the 323 area code -- were included and
did not eat up any of the 500 minutes.

Last month was the first time we've ever exceeded 500 minutes -- most of 
those for local 323 calls. I was charged for calls over and above my 500 
minutes, the call detail shows local calls being billed at the 3.9c per 
minute.

I poked around the Vonage website and can't find any reference to
local calls being included.  Does anyone know a site that may have the
older Vonage website in storage?  An email to Customer Service
resulted in a stock reply, pointing me to a bunch of faq's - none of
which seem to answer my question.

Thanks in advance,

Dave

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Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 19:34:18 -0700
From: Phil Lapsley <phil@notchur.biz>
Subject: Obituary: Passing of Little Known Greatly Influential Telecom Figure


[Patrick: my name is Phil Lapsley and I've been a telecom-digest poster 
back since the old days ('83, I think).  If you could please withhold my 
email address on this posting to avoid spam, I'd appreciate it.  
Thanks!  --Phil]

Carl A. Dahlbom, one of the key figures behind multifrequency (MF)
signaling, died last week at age 93.  If you've ever heard and enjoyed
those quick little tones after you dialed a long-distance call, or if
you've ever used a blue box, Carl is the man you have to thank for it.
He is probably most famous for the article "Signaling Systems for
Control of Telephone Switching", co-authored with C. Breen for the
November 1960 issue of the Bell System Technical Journal.

His obituary can be found at: 
http://www.hometownannapolis.com/cgi-bin/read/2005/09_29-37/FOR. 

Instead of a moment of silence, honor Carl with a burst of 2600 Hz
followed by some MF tones.

Phil

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From: Steven Lichter <shlichter@diespammers.com>
Reply-To: Die@spammers.com
Organization: I Kill Spammers, Inc.  (c) 2005 A Rot in Hell Co.
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:03:28 GMT


John Hines wrote:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A couple things I do not understand
>> about voice communication over electrical power lines: Some say it
>> will not work; others say it is okay.

> My understanding is there are two different electrical systems in the
> world, the 220v version the rest of the world uses, and the 110v the
> US uses. In the rest of the world, a fairly large number of residences
> are run off a single transformer, where in the USofA, a much smaller
> number are run.

> For example, in my neighborhood, each block of houses (8-10) has its
> own transformer, which would require a fiber run, or some way to
> couple it to the 12kv 3phase line that drives the transformer.

> Multiply by millions and millions of these things all over the place,
> and it is easy to see why, even though it is being reported in the US
> media, the actual action is taking place in a foreign county, in the
> article, it was Japan.

A few years ago the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power had
planned a system, don't know if they ever went ahead with the plans.

The only good spammer is a dead one!!  Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2005  I Kill Spammers, Inc.  A Rot in Hell Co.

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From: Danny Burstein <dannyb@panix.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 04:16:26 UTC
Organization: PANIX Public Access Internet and UNIX, NYC


In <telecom24.456.2@telecom-digest.org> John Stahl <aljon@stny.rr.com>
writes:

[ big snip ]

> companies.  But their usage differs from potential US deployment from
> the basic differences in end-user voltage of 240 VAC (Europe) vs. 120
> VAC (US). The European distribution system normally connects something
> like 200 - 300 end-users into one (last link) transformer distribution
> point while the US power system has something like 4 or so end-users
> connected to the (last link) power transformer. This big difference
> makes the US proposed BPL system design more expensive than other
> deployed methods of supplying broadband to end-users.

I have to wonder whether there's a multi-country
definitiional/translation issue here.

In US urban areas, while the utility transformer may only feed five
separate addresses, each of those is an apartment building with 25-50
or more customers (which, in turn, may be 50 or 100 people -- totalling
up to, perhaps 500 or more individuals per transformer).

And our rural areas tend to be, well, more rural ... than most of
Europe. And certainly more spread out than Japan.

Anyone out here in Telecom Digest land have any hands-on familiarity
with the distinctions? 

Thanks.

_____________________________________________________
Knowledge may be power, but communications is the key
		     dannyb@panix.com 
[to foil spammers, my address has been double rot-13 encoded]

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Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 11:44:01 +0200
From: Daniel AJ Sokolov <sokolov@gmx.netnetnet.invalid>
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband 


07.10.2005 00:17 John Stahl wrote:

> The following article indicates that one of the major power companies
> (Pittsburgh Power and Light, Allentown, PA) in field testing phase of
> BPL (Broadband Over Power Line) technology has decided to
> "pull-the-plug" and not pursue widespread deployment.

The same has happened to most deployments in Germany. If you have one
or two users, it works fine (though you generate interference for
other users, especially shortwave radio). But if you get hundreds or
thousands of users, they start to interfere themselves and the
bandwith drops considerably.

MfG
Daniel AJ

My e-mail-address is sokolov [at] gmx dot net

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From: David Clayton <dcstar@myrealbox.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband
Date:  Fri, 07 Oct 2005 17:10:41 +1000


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 18:17:07 -0400, John Stahl wrote:

> Previously published:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: A couple things I do not understand about
>> voice communication over electrical power lines: Some say it will not
>> work; others say it is okay.    <clip>

 ......

> Don't be surprised to see many more of the BPL testing power companies to
> similarly end their testing and plans for deployment.

2005-Sep-13 "The world's first large-scale trial of Broadband over
Powerline (BPL) technology began in Tasmania today":

http://whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm/1541


Regards,

David Clayton, e-mail: dcstar@XYZ.myrealbox.com
Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
(Remove the "XYZ." to reply)

Knowledge is a measure of how many answers you have,
intelligence is a measure of how many questions you have.

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From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 06:53:31 -0700
Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com


On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 15:18:21 -0500, John Hines <jbhines@newsguy.com>
wrote:

> Multiply by millions and millions of these things all over the place,
> and it is easy to see why, even though it is being reported in the US
> media, the actual action is taking place in a foreign county, in the
> article, it was Japan.

Japan uses 100 V @ 50 or 60 Hz (in comparison with the USA and Canada
which uses ~120 V @ 60 Hz.)

http://kropla.com/electric2.htm

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Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 10:43:41 -0400
From: BobGoudreau@notchur.biz
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband


[As always, please anonymize my email address.]

John Hines <jbhines@newsguy.com> wrote:

> My understanding is there are two different electrical systems in the 
> world, the 220v version the rest of the world uses, and the 110v the 
> US uses. In the rest of the world, a fairly large number of residences 
> are run off a single transformer, where in the USofA, a much smaller 
> number are run. 

> Multiply by millions and millions of these things all over the place, 
> and it is easy to see why, even though it is being reported in the US 
> media, the actual action is taking place in a foreign county, in the 
> article, it was Japan.

Nice theory, but a few seconds with Google would have saved you the
trouble of expounding it.  In fact, there are MORE than two different
electrical systems in the world; the existence of two chief voltage
ranges (110ish vs. 220ish) is only one of the differentiators.  The
other big one is the frequency of the AC (50 Hz vs. 60 Hz).  And there
are several different physical connector standards (plugs and sockets)
even to serve some of the same voltage/frequency combinations, though
of course this does not affect things like transformer load.

The US is hardly alone in using 110v at 60 Hz; so does most of the 
rest of the western hemisphere.  Most of the eastern hemisphere uses 
220-240v, but one of the exceptions is in fact Japan, which uses 100v 
(though part of the country runs at 60 Hz and the other part at 50 
Hz).  So, any conclusions made on the faulty premise that Japan uses 
220v power must be discarded.

See http://users.pandora.be/worldstandards/electricity.htm for a 
detailed breakdown of the world for all the aforementioned categories.

Bob Goudreau

Cary, NC

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Date: 7 Oct 2005 15:13:47 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Powerlines to be Used For Broadband
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


> My understanding is there are two different electrical systems in the
> world, the 220v version the rest of the world uses, and the 110v the
> US uses. In the rest of the world, a fairly large number of residences
> are run off a single transformer, where in the USofA, a much smaller
> number are run.

Pretty much true.  I don't know whether it's the voltage or the way
neighborhoods are laid out, but Europe puts a lot more people on a
transformer than we do.

> Multiply by millions and millions of these things all over the place,
> and it is easy to see why, even though it is being reported in the US
> media, the actual action is taking place in a foreign county, in the
> article, it was Japan.

Oops, Japan isn't 220v or even 110v.  It's 100v.  But the
neighborhoods are extremely dense.  I'm kind of surprised that Japan
has any BPL at all since you can get 10mb fiber connections cheaper
than you can get DSL here.

R's,

John

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From: John McHarry <jmcharry@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Finally Cutting the POTS Cord
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:19:25 GMT
Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net


On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 11:52:19 -0700, Brian E Williams wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/9jqae

> Above link is a picture of the inside of my outside telecom box here
> in the USA.  I want to route my Vonage VoIP service to my internal
> phone network, so first I am going to disconnect the internal network
> from the POTS provider as a test.  I am guessing that I just flip
> those little connectors up and then pull out the solid blue and
> blue-white wires, being careful to keep them arranged for easy
> reconnection.

That doesn't look like a standard demarc to me. Maybe you are in a
multifamily dwelling, or maybe I am out of date. The demarcs I am
familiar with use an RJ-11 plug on your side to plug into a socket on
the telco side. This allows you to test whether a problem is inside
wiring or telco by unplugging your whole inside plant and plugging in
a known good phone.

> Is there anything else I need to worry about?  Also, is having four
> wires standard for a single line?  Maybe that is how I can do three
> way calling and call waiting, but I never thought about it before.

Four wires are standard for residential wiring. As PAT notes, only red
and green are used for the first line. This allows a second pair for a
second line, or a ground connection for grounded ringing (mostly used
in old two party lines).

As PAT also notes, getting the telco hooked up across your VOIP
service is ungood. The trouble with doing your connection at the
demarc is that telco has access to it and may, possibly inadvertently,
reconnect themselves.  Also, some telcos leave disconnected lines
connected to the switch and able to call 911, much like an unassigned
cell phone. You might be better off to cut into your house wiring
before the first tap and either disconnect the telco there, or move it
over to line two, so you could use their 911 service in an emergency.

I don't know how many terminals you intend to bridge onto your Vonage
box, but, if it is like the Packet8 DAT310, it may have trouble
driving some of them. I can ring two phones just fine, but there
doesn't seem to be quite enough talk battery to keep my speakerphone
happy. Of course, that may be more the phone's fault for being overly
greedy.



[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: What I do here is the Bell System
demarc box is on the wall of my house outside with _two_ lines there
from telco but I only use one. I have tape around the modular
connector of the second, unused line. I have a small PBX unit inside
my house, in a closet near my computer area. From the outside demarc,
I bring the one working pair there into my house on my own wires, and
into the PBX where it becomes 'dial 9' for outgoing local calls. Then
I have my Vonage (VOIP) adapter box near the computer with a
connection into the broadband cable line. I go from there with my
personally owned modular cable to another input on the PBX, where it
becomes 'dial 8' for long distance calls. Both lines (Vonage VOIP) and
telco also go through a two-line splitter to which I have a caller ID
device and an extra loud ringer (in my old age and feeble condition I
am also a wee bit hard of hearing these days as any of you who
telephone me know when I periodically ask you to repeat yourself. Then
I have several pairs running from the PBX back down the cable to the
outside and back to the telco demarc box where _everything_ telco 
related has been disconnected except for the aforementioned one
incoming line. 

So to make a local call from any extension, it travels down the pair
to the demarc, back in to the PBX, and dial 9 sends it back out the
cable to the demarc and off to telco. To make a long distance call from
any extension it travels down the pair to the demarc, back in to the
PBX where dial 8 sends it across the room to the VOIP box and the
broadband internet. To call around my house, it travels down the pair
to the demarc, back inside to the PBX where dialing 100 through 105 or
0 Zero treats the call as needed, ships it back through the cable to
the outside demarc where it gets distributed to where it should go. PAT]

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