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TELECOM Digest Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:25:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 432 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Macromedia, Cisco Push Telecom Apps (Mark Sullivan, Light Reading) Rita to be Biggest, Strongest Ever in Texas (Pam Easton) Louisiana Official Caught Ripping Off Donations (Associated Press Wire) EU Executive Outlines Data, Telecom Storage Rules (Huw Jones) TiVo Users Fear New Recording Restrictions Planned for Them (Greg Sandoval) T-Mobile USA Announces 20-Million Customer Milestone (Joseph) Re: Motorola Bag Phone (Joseph) Re: Motorola Bag Phone (Steven Lichter) Re: VISA/Master Charge Class Action Lawsuit Settled (Joseph) Re: Roaming Charges (Joseph) Re: Important Medical Recall Announcement (Gene Berkowitz) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Sullivan <email@example.com> Subject: Macromedia, Cisco Push Telecom Apps Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 22:58:06 -0500 With the telephony and IT worlds rapidly collapsing into one thing, the Web-development software titan Macromedia Inc. has partnered with Cisco Systems Inc. on a Web conferencing platform. San Francisco-based Macromedia is announcing at the Voice On the Net (VON) Coalition show today (Tuesday) it has licensed its Flash-based Breeze Web conferencing technology to Cisco for use in a new suite of business applications aimed at small and medium-sized businesses. In addition to putting Macromedia in the telecom market for the first time, the partnership represents Cisco's biggest move into applications so far. Both Cisco and Macromedia will now be going head-to-head with Microsoft Corp., WebEx Communications Inc., and IBM Corp. The new Cisco product suite, called the "Business Communications Solution for Mid-Market Companies," is a set of IP communications applications based around Cisco's popular CallManager softswitch product (see Airbus Uses Equant, Cisco for VOIP). Specifically, Macromedia's slick conferencing UI is used in Cisco's MeetingPlace Express, a browser-based version of its somewhat higher-end conferencing product, MeetingPlace (see LR Poll: Cisco Likely to Make VOIP Buy). Macromedia general manager Tom Hale called Light Reading Monday and quickly initiated a Breeze-based conference to demonstrate what Cisco is getting. After opening a browser window and logging in, the conference page opens. The application's central pane is used for a slideshow presentation, while smaller panes are placed at the left for participant status and IM functionality. Hale soon opened yet another pane for live video from his office in San Francisco, then began using an arrow to point out various parts of the presentation. To demonstrate the application's integration with the Cisco softswitch, Hale dialed a cell phone, which rang then played a recorded invitation to join the online conference. The feature will be more commonly used to dial Cisco IP phones in an enterprise's network. Cisco chose Macromedia mainly for its popular user interface, and because Macromedia Flash is already installed on 98 percent of all PCs, according to the companies. Macromedia's Hale says Cisco's new suite should be attractive to mid-sized businesses because its applications are all IP-based. "They don't want to pay a provider for the services because there is a markup, and every enterprise has an IP network." Hale also points out that the Breeze Web conferencing application is friendly with machines running practically any type of operating system. Macromedia earlier announced the integration of its Flash development platform with the Hewlett-Packard Co. (NYSE: HPQ - message board) service delivery platform (SDP) for use by service providers developing next-generation converged applications and services (see HP Takes Flash Approach to SDPs). Macromedia also has a deal with VOIP business application provider Avaya Inc. "We built a connector to Avaya and we sell the product together," Hale says. Cisco's new mid-sized business suite includes Mobile Connect, which creates a single IP phone number for a variety of handset types, and Unity Connection, a Web browser-based voice-messaging system. - Mark Sullivan, Reporter, Light Reading Copyright 2005 Light Reading, Inc. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. *** FAIR USE NOTICE. 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For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml ------------------------------ From: Pam Easton <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: Rita Could be Biggest, Strongest Ever in Texas Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:06:41 -0500 By PAM EASTON, Associated Press Writer It is already rated category 5, as of Wednesday afternoon. Gaining strength with frightening speed, Hurricane Rita swirled toward the Gulf Coast a Category 5, 175-mph monster Wednesday as more than 1.3 million people in Texas and Louisiana were sent packing on orders from authorities who learned a bitter lesson from Katrina. "It's scary. It's really scary," Shalonda Dunn said as she and her 5- and 9-year-old daughters waited to board a bus arranged by emergency authorities in Galveston. "I'm glad we've got the opportunity to leave. ... You never know what can happen." With Rita projected to hit Texas by Saturday, Gov. Rick Perry urged residents along the state's entire coast to begin evacuating. And New Orleans braced for the possibility that the storm could swamp the misery-stricken city all over again. "We do not want a repeat of the events of Louisiana here in Texas," the Governor noted. New Orleans Mayor Nagin noted bitterly, "I guess we get off lucky this time with 'only' five or six inches of rain to further harass the levees." Galveston, low-lying parts of Corpus Christi and Houston, and mostly emptied-out New Orleans were under mandatory evacuation orders as Rita sideswiped the Florida Keys and began drawing energy with terrifying efficiency from the warm waters of the Gulf of Mexico. Forecasters said Rita could be the most intense hurricane on record ever to hit Texas, and easily one of the most powerful ever to plow into the U.S. mainland. Category 5 is the highest on the scale, and only three Category 5 hurricanes are known to have hit the U.S. mainland -- most recently, Andrew, which smashed South Florida in 1992, and of course Katrina a couple weeks ago. The U.S. mainland has never been hit by both a Category 4 and a Category 5 in the same season. Katrina, at one point became a Category 5 storm, weakened slightly to a Category 4 hurricane just before coming ashore. Government officials eager to show they had learned their lessons from the sluggish response to Katrina sent in hundreds of buses to evacuate the poor, moved out hospital and nursing home patients, dispatched truckloads of water, ice and ready-made meals, and put rescue and medical teams on standby. An Army general in Texas was told to be ready to assume control of a military task force in Rita's wake. "We hope and pray that Hurricane Rita will not be a devastating storm, but we got to be ready for the worst," President Bush said in Washington. Late Wednesday, Rita was centered about 570 miles east-southeast of Galveston and was moving west near 9 mph. Forecasters predicted it would come ashore along the central Texas coast between Galveston and Corpus Christi. Hurricane-force winds extended up to 70 miles from the center of the storm. But with its breathtaking size -- tropical storm-force winds extending 370 miles across -- practically the entire western end of the U.S. Gulf Coast was in peril, and even a slight rightward turn could prove devastating to the fractured levees protecting New Orleans. In the Galveston-Houston-Corpus Christi area, about 1.3 million people were under orders to get out, in addition to 20,000 or more along with the Louisiana coast. Special attention was given to hospitals and nursing homes, three weeks after scores of sick and elderly patients in the New Orleans area drowned in Katrina's floodwaters or died in the stifling heat while waiting to be rescued. Military personnel in South Texas started moving north, too. Schools, businesses and universities were also shut down. Some sporting events were canceled. Galveston was a virtual ghost town by mid-afternoon Wednesday. In neighborhoods throughout the island city, the few people left were packing the last of their valuables and getting ready to head north. Helicopters, ambulances and buses were used to evacuate 200 patients from Galveston's only hospital. And at the Edgewater Retirement Community, a six-story building near the city's seawall, 200 elderly residents were not given a choice. "They either go with a family member or they go with us, but this building is not safe sitting on the seawall with a major hurricane coming," said David Hastings, executive director. "I have had several say, `I don't want to go,' and I said, `I'm sorry, you're going.'" Galveston, a city of 58,000 on a coastal island 8 feet above sea level, was the site of one of the deadliest natural disasters in U.S. history: an unnamed hurricane in 1900 that killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people and practically wiped the city off the map. The last major hurricane to strike the Houston area was Category-3 Alicia in 1983. It flooded downtown Houston, spawned 22 tornadoes and left 21 people dead. In Houston, the state's largest city and home to the highest concentration of Katrina refugees, the area's geography makes evacuation particularly tricky. While many hurricane-prone cities are right on the coast, Houston is 60 miles inland, so a coastal suburban area of 2 million people must evacuate through a metropolitan area of 4 million people where the freeways are often clogged under the best of circumstances. Mayor Bill White urged residents to look out for more than themselves. "There will not be enough government vehicles to go and evacuate everybody in every area," he said. "We need neighbor caring for neighbor, and remember, our Louisiana visitors; this will be their second evacuation in as many weeks; try to be kind to them also." Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt issued a stern warning to anyone staying behind that looting would not be tolerated and anyone caught stealing after the storm would be prosecuted. "One of the first things we will do, when we get back into town is get the jails open and ready to accomodate looters and other lawbreakers." At the Galveston Community Center, where 1,500 evacuees had been put on school buses to points inland, another lesson from Katrina was put into practice: To overcome the reluctance of people to evacuate without their pets, they were allowed to bring them along in crates. "It was quite a sight," Mayor Lyda Ann Thomas said. "We were able to put people on with their dog crates, their cat crates, their shopping carts. It went very well. Busses are making two or three trips as needed, this time let the 'Katrina people' have decent seats and room for their pets, etc." But Thomas warned late Wednesday that the city was nearly out of buses. She said those left on the island would have to find a way off or face riding out a storm that is "big enough to destroy part of the island, if not a great part of the county." City Manager Steve LeBlanc said the storm surge could reach 50 feet. Galveston is protected by a seawall that is only 17 feet tall. More than 180 police officers were expected to stay behind to guard the city, along with 117 firefighters. Rita approached as the death toll from Katrina passed the 1,000 mark -- to 1,036 -- in five Gulf Coast states. The body count in Louisiana alone was put at 799, most found in the receding floodwaters of New Orleans. The Army Corps of Engineers raced to fortify the city's patched-up levees for fear the additional rain could swamp the walls and flood the city all over again. The Corps said New Orleans' levees can only handle up to 6 inches of rain and a storm surge of 10 to 12 feet. One Corps supervisor echoed Mayor Nagin's earlier comments, "we may get lucky and 'only' get six to eight inches of water this time, and not an actual hurricane." He noted that his workers would continue doing 'temporary' repairs as long as it was safe for them to continue. New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin estimated only 400 to 500 people remained in the vulnerable east bank areas of the city. They, too, were ordered to evacuate. But only a few people lined up for the evacuation buses provided. Most of the people still in the city were believed to have their own cars. "I don't think I can stay for another storm," said Keith Price, a nurse at New Orleans' University Hospital who stayed through Katrina and had to wade to safety through chest-deep water. "Until you are actually in that water, you really don't know how frightening it is." Rita also forced some Katrina refugees to flee a hurricane for the second time in 3 1/2 weeks. More than 1,000 refugees who had been living in the civic center in Lake Charles, near the Texas state line, were being bused to shelters farther north. "We all have to go along with the system right now, until things get better," said Ralph Russell of the New Orleans suburb of Harvey. "I just hope it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing." Crude oil prices rose again on fears that Rita would smash into key oil installations in Texas and the gulf. Hundreds of workers were evacuated from offshore oil rigs. Texas, the heart of U.S. crude production, accounts for 25 percent of the nation's total oil output. Rita is the 17th named storm of the Atlantic hurricane season, making this the fourth-busiest season since record-keeping started in 1851. The record is 21 tropical storms in 1933. The hurricane season ends Nov. 30, and one or two more hurricanes may still strike the area before then. Associated Press Writers Lynn Brezosky in Corpus Christi, Alicia Caldwell in Galveston and Juan A. Lozano in Houston contributed to this report. On the Net: National Hurricane Center: http://www.nhc.noaa.gov Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Associated Press News Wire <email@example.com> Subject: Louisiana Official Caught Ripping Off Donations Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:08:43 -0500 Police found cases of food, clothing and tools intended for hurricane victims at the home of the chief administrative officer for a New Orleans suburb, authorities said Wednesday. Officers searched Cedric Floyd's home because of complaints that city workers were helping themselves to donations for hurricane victims. Floyd, who runs the day-to-day operations in the suburb of Kenner, was in charge of distributing the goods. Police plan to seek a charge of committing an illegal act as a public official against Floyd, and more charges against other city workers are possible, police Capt. Steve Caraway said. The donations filled a large pickup truck four times. "It was an awful lot of stuff," Caraway said. The donated materials must be processed as evidence but eventually will be distributed to victims. "We have lots of families that are begging for these supplies," said Attorney General Charles Foti, whose office assisted in the investigation. Attempts to reach Floyd were unsuccessful at home numbers listed under his name in Kenner. His office number went unanswered after business hours. Philip Ramon, chief of staff to Kenner Mayor Philip Capitano, has said city officials were investigating the alleged pilfering but added that many employees were themselves hurricane victims. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Huw Jones <firstname.lastname@example.org> Subject: EU Executive Unveils Electronic Storage rules Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:10:23 -0500 By Huw Jones The European Commission on Wednesday adopted a proposal that details of all telephone, Internet and e-mail traffic should be logged to combat terrorism and serious crime. The move challenges European Union member states who are negotiating a rival plan. Telephone and Internet firms are waiting for the outcome of the clash as the proposals differ over how much industry will end up paying to store data, depending on how much longer it has to be kept. The push for EU-wide data storage came after the Madrid bomb attacks last year and intensified after the London bombs in July when Britain took over the rotating EU presidency. The Commission's text aims to harmonize the current patchwork of data retention practices across the bloc. "We take full account of two main, fundamental rights -- the right to security ... and privacy protection," Commission Vice President Franco Frattini told a news conference. The Commission proposes storing data related to mobile and fixed telephone traffic for a year to allow the police to trace the time, place, and numbers used, even for unsuccessful calls, Frattini said. INTERNET DATA Internet data such as e-mails and the Internet server used, though not the websites surfed, would be kept for six months, though it was not clear how this would apply to Internet cafes, for example. Numbers dialed using Internet telephony would also be stored. The member states will be able to ask firms to keep data for longer on grounds of national security. Their own proposal envisages storing data between one and three years, and phone companies typically store data for three months for billing. Max-Peter Ratzel, director of EU police agency Europol said there was an urgent need to store data for investigations. "Half a year, from my point of view, is definitely too short. If we get one year, we can live with that," Ratzel said. As with the member state proposal, there is no intention to store the content of communications. The Commission's proposal will need to be agreed by member states and the European Parliament, while the rival plan will need unanimous agreement among the 25 EU governments. Some member states fear involving parliament will slow down legislation as EU lawmakers are seen as being more open to pressure from industry campaigners and civil liberties groups to water down the proposals. Frattini said there is agreement between parliament, member states and the Commission to approve the Brussels executive's bill by year end. "Counter terrorism effectively requires that we have no time to loose," Frattini said. The Commission will also unveil a data protection initiative in the first week of October to safeguard privacy, he said. COMPARISON A British presidency spokesman said on Tuesday that ministers will compare both proposals at a meeting in October and decide how to proceed, though parliament was already claiming victory. "Winning co-decision for Parliament on this important area is a success for Parliament's prerogative," said German liberal parliament member Alexander Alvaro of the legislature's justice and home affairs committee. "We must now examine carefully the Commission's draft which seems at first glance to be heading in the right direction," Alvaro said. Under the Commission proposal, telecom and Internet firms would be reimbursed for the "demonstrated additional costs," while Britain has said telecom firms are rich enough to pay the extra storage costs themselves. EU officials could not give precise reimbursement costs, but said it could run from several to hundreds of millions of euros. Telecom firms say they already help the police with data requests on a case-by-case basis, but the Commission said that some traffic data is not always kept for billing purposes such as for flat rate tariffs, pre-paid and free services. EU member states have a patchwork of retention practices with 15 of the 25 having no mandatory obligations on firms, while in those where there is such an obligation the period and scope varies significantly. Commission officials said firms outside the EU, but handling calls to and from the bloc, would likely be impacted by the rules. (Additional reporting by Mark Trevelyan in Berlin) Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Greg Sandoval <email@example.com> Subject: TiVo Users Fear Recording Restrictions Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:11:33 -0500 By GREG SANDOVAL, AP Technology Writer Many fans of digital video recorders made by TiVo Inc. are beginning to fear that Hollywood studios will one day reach into their set-top boxes to restrict the way they record and store movies and programs. Among the functions included in TiVo's latest software upgrade is the ability to allow broadcasters to erase material recorded by TiVo's 3.6 million users after a certain date. That ability was demonstrated recently when some TiVo customers complained on TiVo community sites that episodes of "The Simpsons" and "King of the Hill" they recorded were "red-flagged" for deletion by the copyright holder. Some users also were upset that they were prevented from transferring these red-flagged shows to a PC via the TiVoToGo service. Elliot Sloan, a TiVo spokesman, called the red-flag incident a "glitch" and said it affected only a handful of customers. "It's a non-story," Sloan said. Nonetheless, skeptics among TiVo users questioned why TiVo would own such a technology unless the company planned to one day use it. TiVo and other digital video recorders let users skip commercials and jump around a recording quickly. Since TiVo introduced its DVR in the late 1990s, customers have enjoyed the ability to record anything they want, and store it indefinitely. But last year, TiVo quietly disclosed that it would employ copyright-protection software from Macrovision Corp. for pay-per-view and video-on-demand programs. According to a post on TiVo's Web site, the software allows broadcasters to restrict how long a DVR can save certain recordings or in some cases prevent someone from recording altogether. "Program providers decide what programs will have Macrovision copy protection," said the TiVo post. Matt Haughey, creator of http://PVRblog.com, the Web site where the complaints first appeared, said some fans are overreacting about the red-flag incident. However, he said he is worried that TiVo has handed Hollywood a means to restrict recordings. "TiVo would be of limited utility in the future if the studios were allowed to do this with regular broadcast content," Haughey said. "This is like cell-phone jammers. What if you couldn't talk on your cell phone? If customers can't do something with their TiVo that they could in the past, they will stop using it." TiVo is among many platforms that could be transformed by the entertainment industry's demands for tighter copyright controls. Broadcasters have also tried to force electronics manufacturers to insert a technology known as the broadcast flag into new televisions to prevent programs from being copied or disseminated on the Internet. The Federal Communications Commission at one point required such piracy preventions, but those rules were blocked in May by a three-judge panel for the U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia. Congress may get the last word. Copyright 2005 The Associated Press. NOTE: For more telecom/internet/networking/computer news from the daily media, check out our feature 'Telecom Digest Extra' each day at http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/more-news.html . Hundreds of new articles daily. ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: T-Mobile USA Announces 20-Million Customer Milestone Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:18:16 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com BELLEVUE, Wash.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 21, 2005--T-Mobile USA, Inc. (NYSE:DT) announced today that it now has surpassed 20 million wireless customers, having doubled its customer base during the past 10 quarters. "I personally thank our 20 million customers for their continued loyalty to T-Mobile, and for recommending T-Mobile to family and friends," said Robert Dotson, President and Chief Executive Officer, T-Mobile USA. The company credits this achievement in part to the success it has had in delivering on its Get More(R) promise to its customers. T-Mobile's commitment to offer more minutes, features and service has resonated with consumers. "Customer-centric service, value leadership, and services innovation is the foundation for our customer growth," Dotson said. "T-Mobile will continue to grow by meeting the needs of its customers, rapidly expanding network coverage, and offering widely accessible and meaningful devices, features and services." T-Mobile USA reached the 10-million customer mark during the first quarter of 2003. http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20050921005220&newsLang=en http://tinyurl.com/bxz5k ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Motorola Bag phone Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:18:16 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com On 21 Sep 2005 07:24:23 -0700, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > I would suggest powering up this phone and try making a call on it and > see what happens. The phone should be able to reach 911 and you could > test that by telling the 911 operator immediately that you're testing > a phone. If asked for a credit card see if you can find out what it > will cost to complete a call. In the middle of nowhere in an > emergency a $10 call charge isn't so onerous. Using a credit card with the American Roaming Network is $2.99 to set up the call and $1.99 per minute. ------------------------------ From: Steven Lichter <email@example.com> Reply-To: Die@spammers.com Organization: I Kill Spammers, Inc. (c) 2005 A Rot in Hell Co. Subject: Re: Motorola Bag phone Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 01:22:23 GMT firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: > Steven Lichter wrote: >> I have one of these. Don't use it at all; it is not digital. > As others have mentioned, many carriers will not activate such a phone > as a matter a policy (not technically). Verizon in my area will not. > The newspaper reported consumers are upset by this because there are > many rural areas where bag phones are still needed for their power due > to great distances from the nearest tower. Perhaps the cell phone > company people think the whole country looks like New Jersey. It does > not. > Such a phone might work as a 911 emergency phone or on an expensive > pay-as-you-go basis. I bought an analog cell phone at a yard sale, > powered it up, and tried to make a call on it. The system asked me > for a credit card number to make the call. I believe they would put a > call through but at a considerable charge, more so than commercial > pay-as-you-go cell phones. I keep in my car glove box just in case. > (I don't always carry my cell phone with me on local trips.) > I would suggest powering up this phone and try making a call on it and > see what happens. The phone should be able to reach 911 and you could > test that by telling the 911 operator immediately that you're testing > a phone. If asked for a credit card see if you can find out what it > will cost to complete a call. In the middle of nowhere in an > emergency a $10 call charge isn't so onerous. I did power it up, it said it was not registered on the Verizon Network, and the 911 did work. I may just keep it in my truck since I get into some areas that don't have coverage. I know when I go to Los Vegas over the 15 highway, I lose digital. The only good spammer is a dead one!! Have you hunted one down today? (c) 2005 I Kill Spammers, Inc. A Rot in Hell Co. ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: VISA/Master Charge Class Action Lawsuit Settled Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:18:15 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:42:21 -0500, Garden City Group <email@example.com> wrote: > Walmart was one such merchant. After two years of litigation, > VISA/MC decided to settle the lawsuit against them on this matter, > but the court ruled that _all_ merchants -- not just the big > Walmart-like merchants -- were entitled to relief as well. And you should know that like most class actions you most likely will get diddly-squat compensation while the lawyers will make lots of money off it. ------------------------------ From: Joseph <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Roaming Charges Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 18:18:15 -0700 Reply-To: JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com On Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:52:16 GMT, Ken Abrams <k_abrams@[REMOVETHIS] sbcglobal.net> wrote: > If this was 7 years ago, I'm guessing it was analog service; it > certainly was not GSM. I'd be interested to see what happens on some > of those calls today using GSM service. Quite the contrary. GSM service was functional as early as January of 1996 for VoiceStream which is now T-Mobile. The first GSM network in the USA was turned on in 1995. 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