TELECOM Digest     Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:14:00 EDT    Volume 24 : Issue 420

Inside This Issue:                           Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    VoIM Programs are Latest to Offer Voice (Erika D. Smith)
    Massapequa Park Residents Vote on Broadband Competition (Keiko Morris)
    Becoming a RespOrg (andre80)
    Re: PECO and PSE&G Power Companies Merger (Lisa Hancock)
    Re: PECO and PSE&G Power Companies Merger (Paul A Lee)
    Re: BellSouth/AT&T New Orleans "Main" at Baronne & Poydras Sts (Simpson)
    Re: How a Telephone Works (John Levine)
    Re: How a Telephone Works (Wesrock@aol.com)
    Re: How a Telephone Works (Paul Vader)
    Re: Back to the Future in 845-268 Land (Steven Lichter)
    Re: Last Laugh! How Many Members of Bush Administration (Tom Horsley)
    Re: Last Laugh! How Many Members of Bush Administration (burris)

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From: Erika D. Smith <newswire@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: VoIM: Instant Messaging Programs Are Latest to Offer Voice
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:48:58 -0500


      By Erika D. Smith
      erika.smith@indystar.com

So you heard you can make long-distance phone calls for pennies
instead of dollars. And you heard it has to do with something called
VoIP.

You're right.

VoIP, or voice-over Internet Protocol, is a technology that routes
calls over the Internet for a fraction of what you're paying now. All
you need is a high-speed Web connection.

But now there's a way to make those same calls for free. It's called
VoIM, or voice-over instant messaging.

Companies including Skype, Google, Yahoo!, AOL, ICQ and MSN offer this
computer-to-computer calling as part of their instant messaging
programs. Subscribers log on to their chosen program, and have a
conversation with others using the same program. Users will need a
microphone for their computer, speakers and sometimes a Webcam.

VoIM is really a spinoff of traditional VoIP, which works a bit
differently.

VoIP subscribers use their own high-speed modem, plus an adapter to
route calls over the Internet. Any regular telephone will work with
VoIP, and Vonage is the most popular provider.

In general, traditional VoIP and VoIM are similar only in that both
break voice calls into data packets and route them over the Internet.

The method is much cheaper than the traditional circuit-switched phone
system. And the prices for voice-over services reflect that.

Consumers are responding.

For now, the United States has 2.5 million to 4 million VoIP
subscribers. Some say that number will grow to 17 million by 2008. At
the same time, the number of traditional phone lines, now about 120
million households, is declining rapidly.

"I think the biggest driver of this technology right now is price,"
said Joe Porus, vice president and chief architect for technology
research practice at Harris Interactive. "On the flip side, it's a
hard sell to the masses. This is not your father's telephone."

Still, the voice-over industry has gotten really crowded, really
fast. This is especially true for VoIM.

Last month, Google Inc. rolled out a new instant messaging program
with voice service. It's designed to compete with similar services
from Yahoo! and MSN. Also, Microsoft Corp. acquired Teleo Inc., a
startup that makes software specializing in Web calls.

And then there's Skype, which eBay Inc. agreed to buy on Monday
for $2.6 billion.

Skype already has more than 50 million registered users worldwide,
including more than 2 million who pay for its premium services, such
as voice mail. In 2004, the company generated about $7 million in
revenue.  It's projecting $60 million this year.

Plainfield-based Brightpoint Inc. was confident about Skype's
prospects even before eBay got involved. The company became a
distributor of Skype software and products in August.

"Their success has been incredible," said Brightpoint's chairman 
and CEO, Robert Laikin.

The question is whether that success will continue now that
consumers have alternatives, such as Google Talk.

Skype, which is the market leader, says most of its subscribers are
business users. Other instant messaging programs are targeted to the
masses.

That may be an advantage since about twice as many business users know
what VoIP is than consumers, according to a Harris Interactive poll.

"People who are on Skype right now, will stay on Skype," Laikin
said. "Once you have your community, in my opinion, you're not going
to go to a Yahoo! or AOL and start an account."

But that can work both ways.

Yahoo! and others already have about 867 million subscribers,
according to research firm The Radicati Group. That's expected to hit
1.2 billion by 2009.

"I think the advantage that Google and AOL have is that they already
have a user base," said Jan Dawson, research director of the telecom
research firm Ovum. "Not only am I a user, but my friends and family
are all on the same IM platform. If I start introducing voice to that,
I don't have to convince all of them to sign up."

The other hurdle that VoIM faces, regardless if it's Skype or Yahoo!,
is the technology isn't exactly user-friendly.

Users are more or less tied to their computers. It's not like
picking up the phone on your desk.

That's where Vonage, AT&T and other companies that offer traditional
VoIP have an edge.

"For all the new-fangled things people like to talk about, the phone
has been the phone for 100 years now," said Joe Laszlo, a senior
analyst for Jupiter Research.

That's why Brightpoint has contracts to distribute Vonage and Skype
products, Laikin said.

People will use each type of technology for a different purpose,
analysts say.

VoIM, they say, will evolve as a compliment to traditional VoIP, not a
substitute -- no matter the price.

"For the foreseeable future, the more a VoIP service resembles a 
traditional phone service, the more successful it will be," Dawson said.

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From: Keiko Morris <newsday@telecom-digest.org> 
Subject: Massapequa Park Residents Back Verizon Cable Franchise Agreement
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 14:55:29 -0500


BY Keiko Morris, Staff Writer

Massapequa Park residents turned out in force last night to give a
thumbs up to Verizon Communications' proposed request for a cable 
service franchise license, expressing the sentiment that competition is
good.

"I think competition is excellent," John O'Brien, a former Massapequa
Park trustee and a resident for more than 50 years, told trustees at a
public hearing. "Living in the town of Oyster Bay with Teddy Roosevelt
as a founder of this community, he broke up monopolies when he was
president, and this is just a continuation of that."

Village trustees are considering a license for Verizon's new FiOS
TV service -- an action that would make Massapequa Park the first
municipality in the state to grant the company a base to launch its
service. They took no action last night and set a second hearing for
Sept. 26.

Cablevision Systems Corp. attorneys said they were at last night's
meeting not to oppose competition, but because the proposed agreement
had "deficiencies" that could give Verizon an advantage.

Michael Olsen, vice president of legal and regulatory affairs for
Cablevision, said the wording in the agreement would eliminate some of
the village's authority over right of way. "The question is not
whether competition will be good," he said, "but whether it will be
fair."

Village Mayor James Altadonna Jr. has received many letters from
constituents in support of the Verizon franchise, village
administrator Peggy Caltabiano said before the hearing.

"The mayor is looking for his residents to have a choice and he feels
that by offering Verizon he will give them a choice," Caltabiano
said. "He will increase customer service and introduce competition in
the cable market."

She added, "As much as he [the mayor] wants to offer competition, we
also have to be very careful that both franchise agreements are
negotiated on ... a level playing field."

The Verizon agreement, like Cablevision's, would run for 10 years.
Verizon has been pushing for legislation that would allow it to get
statewide franchise licenses to offer the FiOS TV cable services; so
far, they have only succeeded in Texas. Verizon has received local 
franchise licenses in 10 communities in California, Texas, Virginia and
Florida.

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From: andre80 <shenkster@gmail.com>
Subject: Becoming a RespOrg
Date: 14 Sep 2005 15:47:33 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


Anyone know how to become a RespOrg? I know there is some training and
a test (and hefty fees!) involved, but don't know how/who/where to do
this.  My company manages 4000+ toll free numbers for our clients and
want/need to be in better control of our numbers.

Thanks, in advance, for any advice you can provide!


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You may want to speak with Judith
Oppenheimer on this. She works very closely with resporgs everywhere
in handling a large number of toll free lines.  Check out
http://icbtollfree.com and the page with her biography for more
details, or call her at 212-684-7210.   You can mention to her that 
you were referred by Telecom Digest.   PAT]

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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
Subject: Re: PECO and PSE&G Power Companies Merger
Date: 14 Sep 2005 13:27:42 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: While Highland Park could be either
> New Jersey or Illinois (I guess, if you say so; I never heard of the
> New Jersey version) in the instance of Bryn Mawr, there is no such
> suburb in the Chicago area. There _is_ a Bryn Mawr Avenue in Chicago
> (and continuing in a near northwest suburb) and there is a CTA
> train stop known as 'Bryn Mawr' (logically, on the street by the same
> name) and there is, oddly enough, a 'Bryn Mawr' station on the
> Illinois Central suburban line on the southeast side of Chicago; but
> no Bryn Mawr as a town or neighborhood around Chicago. There, did I
> leave the water muddy enough?   PAT]

Highland Park, NJ is across the Raritan River from New Brunswick.  Not
to be confused with Highland Park, Mich, where Henry Ford had his
first big automobile plant

As to Bryn Mawr, sorry about the error.  I knew of the stations on
both the CTA and MetraRail, and presumed it referred to a
neighborhood, not a street.

It is a Philadelphia suburb location, located in the "Main Line", the
fanciest suburbs (think of the "Philadelphia Story" movie with
Katherine Hepburn).  There are two SEPTA lines that have a Bryn Mawr
stop.  I believe it is a Bell rate center (LAwrence 5 ???).  It has a
very elite girls college, Bryn Mawr College.  However, Bryn Mawr is a
municipality, but rather a part of Lower Merion Township.  Until
recently, the telephone CO building had a handsome stone Bell System
logo above the door, now covered with a Verizon sign.  Kind of clashes
with the colonial brick design of the building.

As it happens, next to Bryn Mawr PA is Rosemont PA, also SEPTA stops
on two lines and a CTA stop as well.

Along these lines, PECO has a power plant on Barbadoes Island.  This
isn't the vacation resort in the Carribean, but rather a small island
in the river outside Norristown near Phila.  SEPTA and some businesses
ran a promotion with the prize being a trip down there, their ads
showed a happy couple alighting onto a lovely beach from a SEPTA bus
and train.  It was smugly observed that perhaps the vacation
destination was actually the aforementioned power plant island (which
isn't too far from bus and train service); SEPTA didn't appreciate the
humor.

Of course, given the sorry state of airline service these days, maybe
SEPTA should be providing air service.  Indeed, long ago its trolley
predecessor, Philadelphia Rapid Transit, did try its hand in the early
airline business in 1926.  Then again, the mental picture of some of
our favorite subway cashiers and bus drivers operating an airliner is
disturbing.

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From: Paul A Lee <palee@riteaid.com>
Subject: Re: PECO and PSE&G Power Companies Merger
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:35:07 -0400
Organization: Rite Aid Corporation


In TELECOM Digest V24 #419, our Editor wrote (in part):

> I never heard of the New Jersey version) in the instance of
> Bryn Mawr, there is no such suburb in the Chicago area. There 
> _is_ a Bryn Mawr Avenue in Chicago (and continuing in a near 
> northwest suburb) and there is a CTA train stop known as 
> 'Bryn Mawr' (logically, on the street by the same
> name) and there is, oddly enough, a 'Bryn Mawr' station on 
> the Illinois Central suburban line on the southeast side of 
> Chicago; but no Bryn Mawr as a town or neighborhood around 
> Chicago.

"Bryn mawr" is Welsh for "big hill", so I'd imagine you might find a
"Bryn Mawr" 'most anywhere Welsh settlers encountered a big hill --
although big hills seem to me less likely to be found in the
Chicagoland area than in Pennsylvania or New Jersey ...


Paul A Lee			Sr Telecom Engineer	<palee@riteaid.com>
Rite Aid Corporation	HL-IS-COM (Telecomm)	V: +1 717 730-8355
30 Hunter Lane, Camp Hill, PA 17011-2410		F: +1 717 975-3789
P.O. Box 3165, Harrisburg, PA 17105-3165		C: +1 717 805-6208

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From: Matt Simpson <msimpson@uky.edu>
Subject: Re: BellSouth/AT&T New Orleans "Main" at Baronne & Poydras Streets
Organization: Yeah
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 15:00:07 -0400


There's an interesting blog maintained by an employee of a New Orleans
ISP who stayed at their center, located in the CBD, throughout the
disaster and kept it running.

   http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/

I don't know New Orleans geography, but it sounds like he must have been 
close to the BellSouth "main" facility on Poydras, as he mentions it at 
least once

On Thursday Sep 1 he says

We've got a prayer!
Huge convoy of fuel and generator engineer types affiliated with Bell 
South just moved down the street toward their building. That's where 2 
of our OC3s that went down are at Bell's main.

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Date: 14 Sep 2005 19:41:16 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: How a Telephone Works
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


> I think your explanation is right on, however in my world, and this
> may be too technical for this discussion and if I remember ...  If the
> switch does sense data flowing, it turns off the echo cans for the
> duration of that call on any long haul circuit.  Having been retired
> for about 7 years now, I wonder if the scheme is still the same ...

I believe that the pilot tone the modem sends is defined to tell the
echo cancellers to go away.  Of course, now that phone calls are
typically digitized at the originating CO and turned back to analog at
the callee's CO, whether it's across the street or half way around the
world, how much echo cancelling do we need?

R's,
John

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From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 16:21:25 EDT
Subject: Re: How a Telephone Works


On 14 Sep 2005 07:51:21 -0700 hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:

> eagle_speaks@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

>> 1. Each home suscriber has a twisted copper pair that runs from his
>> telephone to a cable containg thousands (why no multiplexing here and
>> send it through a single wire??) thousands of such pairs; to the local
>> excahnge or the central office.

> Since the beginning of telephone service there were various forms of
> "multiplexing".  First, people only had one wire instead of a pair,
> the earth ground was used as the other.  Early on people simply shared
> the wire pair as party lines.  In the 1960s they used "concentrators"
> in which a whole neighborhood shared a group of common trunks to the
> C.O.  Today more sophisticated methods are used.

In about 1957 in Austin I saw a demonstration of a concentrator
intended to be pole mounted.  As I recall, it served 100 subscriber
lines and had 10 trunks to the C.O., but that ratio may have been
different or even variable.

It was a tiny crossbar switch, made by a Swiss company, I
believe, and the components (and the whole switching assmbly) looked
like a piece of jewelry.

Of course, a matching control unit was required in the C.O.

I believe it was indeed practical and many were placed in service,
particularly suited to a new addition at some distance from the C.O.

As Lisa says, more sophisticated methods followed ... there are many
"pair gain" systems in use today, some concentrators, some
multiplexing in electronic ways.

Whether to reinforce the cables to the C.O. and extend copper pairs to
customer premises or use some form of pair gain system depends on the
type of customer traffic and is a study in engineering economics.


Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com

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From: pv+usenet@pobox.com (Paul Vader)
Subject: Re: How a Telephone Works
Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:05:22 -0000
Organization: Inline Software Creations


William Warren <william_warren_nonoise@comcast.net> writes:

> Almost all fiber; coaxial cables were retired long ago and are now
> used only for TV transmission, and even then only in locations where
> the coax is "retired in place" (as far as trunk usage goes) and

In selected places at every telco in the company, a bunch of engineers
just spit coffee all over their monitors and started laughing
uncontrollably. *


* PV   something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
       like corkscrews.

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From: Steven Lichter <shlichter@diespammers.com>
Reply-To: Die@spammers.com
Organization: I Kill Spammers, Inc.  (c) 2005 A Rot in Hell Co.
Subject: Re: Back to the Future in 845-268 Land
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:06:46 GMT


Steve Stone wrote:

> I placed a call from my cellphone to my Mom in Congers, Rockland
> County, NY. I got a busy signal, not unusual because she is always on
> the phone.  What was unusual was the busy signal sounded like what I
> remembered hearing as a kid in the 1960's from my mom's house when
> they used mechanical switching rather than ESS.

> I tried it a few more times and at one point even came up with a
> 1960's style ring tone with no answer. Is it possible the old gear is
> still in the little brick telco building by Rockland Lake and taking
> overload calls ?

> 845-268-xxxx.

> A definite blast from the past.

> Steve

Anything is possible, but not likely.  It would really have to be a
small company.

The only good spammer is a dead one!!  Have you hunted one down today?
(c) 2005  I Kill Spammers, Inc.  A Rot in Hell Co.

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Subject: Re: Last Laugh! How Many Members of Bush Administration
From: tom.horsley@att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
Organization: AT&T Worldnet
Date: Thu, 15 Sep 2005 00:59:39 GMT


> If you took umbrage to it, I am sorry!

Well, I certainly did! You forgot one of the most important people:

One person to claim the administration was never officially informed
that it was dark. :-).

>>==>> The *Best* political site <URL:http://www.vote-smart.org/> >>==+
      email: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net icbm: Delray Beach, FL      |
<URL:http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley> Free Software and Politics <<==+


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The next time I speak with Debbie, I
will counsel her to be sure and include this important person in
her next distribution of the 'how many people' joke.  PAT]

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Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 21:04:00 -0400
From: burris <responder@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! How Many Members of Bush Administration


Carl Navarro wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:28:19 -0500, Debbie DKTubiolo
> <debbietubiolo89@hotmail.com>  wrote:

>> How many members of the Bush Administration does it take to change a

> <<<< snipping away the sniping >>>>>

> Dear Pat and Debbie,

> Debbie,

> You can submit this to any and all newsgroups you like, but political
> crap is best appreciated in politcal forums.  Or hang out in
> alt.obituaries.

> Pat,

> Please do your job and edit.  You are slipping.

> Carl Navarro

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Actually, Debbie is not to be blamed. 
> She is a member of another list to which I belong, and she sent that
> item around with one of those 'pass it along to all your friends'
> tags. Considering that Debbie and I share certain parts of the same
> agenda (?!) I took her suggestion and 'passed it along'. If you took
> umbrage to it, I am sorry!  Seriously.  PAT]

Not everyone took umbrage.

I not only thought it was right on the mark and quite funny, but took
the liberty of sending it to my list of correspondents who also got a
good laugh.

Would be nice if our administration hung out in the types of forums
suggested by the offended poster.

burris

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