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TELECOM Digest Thu, 1 Sep 2005 15:19:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 397
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
Violence, Looting, Fires Delay Superdome Evacuation (Adam Nossiter)
Recording Industry Files 754 More Suits (Reuters News Wire)
Hurricane Katrina Cuts Phone Service For Others Also (Reuters News Wire)
European Cell Phones to Get Faster Data (Reuters News Wire)
OnStar by GM Turns Ten Years Old (Monty Solomon)
With 25-Song Cap, iTunes Phone May Underwhelm (Monty Solomon)
Microsoft Serious About VOIP (USTA Daily Lead)
Re: New Orleans Phones Are All Out, Also (Diamond Dave)
Re: Connecticut Man Sells Micrsoft Windows Source Code (Joe Morris)
Re: Connecticut Man Sells Micrsoft Windows Source Code (Barry Margolin)
Re: Is Verizon Wireless Sabotaging Older Cell Phones? (Steve Sobol)
Re: More Charges for Los Angeles Man in ChoicePoint ID Theft (Steve Sobol)
Re: Long Distance = 211 (was Sid Ceasar and Phones) (Tim@Backhome.org)
Re: Sid Ceasar and Phones in Comedy (Wesrock@aol.com)
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From: Adam Nossiter <ap@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Violence, Looting, Riots, Fires Delay Superdome Evacuation
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:30:03 -0500
Unrest Intensifies at Superdome Shelter
By ADAM NOSSITER, Associated Press Writer
Fights and trash fires broke out, rescue helicopters were shot at and
anger mounted across New Orleans on Thursday, as National Guardsmen in
armored vehicles poured in to help restore order across this
increasingly desperate and lawless city.
"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the
Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center,
where corpses lay in the open and evacuees complained that they were
dropped off and given nothing.
An additional 10,000 National Guardsman from across the country were
ordered into the hurricane-ravaged Gulf Coast to shore up security,
rescue and relief operations in Katrina's wake as looting, shootings,
gunfire, carjackings spread and food and water ran out.
But some Federal Emergency Management rescue operations were suspended
in areas where gunfire has broken out, Homeland Security spokesman
Russ Knocke said in Washington. "In areas where our employees have
been determined to potentially be in danger, we have pulled back," he
said.
"Hospitals are trying to evacuate," said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri
Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. "At
every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in
people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at
police and at helicopters, telling them, "You better come get my
family.
Police Capt. Ernie Demmo said a National Guard military policeman was
shot in the leg as the two scuffled for the MP's rifle. The man was
arrested.
"These are good people. These are just scared people," Demmo said.
The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to
the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos.
Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the
stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over
the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door -- a seething sea of tense,
unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where
heavily armed National Guardsmen stood.
Fights broke out. A fire erupted in a trash chute inside the dome, but
a National Guard commander said it did not affect the
evacuation. After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving at the
Sueprdome for nearly four hours, a near riot broke out in the scramble
to get on the buses that finally did show up.
Outside the Convention Center, the sidewalks were packed with people
without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law
enforcement. Thousands of storm refugees had been assembling outside
for days, waiting for buses that did not come.
At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry, desperate
people who were tired of waiting broke through the steel doors to a
food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice
and whatever else they could find.
An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry
babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead
in her wheelchair, covered up by a blanket, and another body lay
beside her wrapped in a sheet.
"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as
he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He
added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do
nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but
you can't get them down here."
Just above the convention center on Interstate 10, commercial buses
were lined up, going nowhere. The street outside the center, above the
floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty
diapers, old bottles and garbage.
"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said.
People chanted, "Help, help!" as reporters and photographers walked
through. The crowd got angry when journalists tried to photograph one
of the bodies, and covered it over with a blanket. A woman, screaming,
went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in
reciting the 23rd Psalm.
John Murray, 52, said: "It's like they're punishing us."
The first of hundreds of busloads of people evacuated from the
Superdome arrived early Thursday at their new temporary home --
another sports arena, the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away.
But the ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured
from the Superdome suspended flights after a shot was reported fired
at a military helicopter. Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian
Ambulance, said it had become too dangerous for his pilots.
The military, which was overseeing the removal of the able-bodied by
buses, continued the ground evacuation without interruption, said
National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The government had no
immediate confirmation of whether a military helicopter was fired on.
In Texas, the governor's office said Texas has agreed to take in an
additional 25,000 refugees from Katrina and plans to house them in San
Antonio, though exactly where has not been determined.
In Washington, the White House said President Bush will tour the
devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father,
former President George H.W. Bush, and former President Clinton to
lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.
The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.
"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during
an emergency such as this -- whether it be looting, or price gouging at the
gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud,"
Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens
ought to be working together."
On Wednesday, Mayor Ray Nagin offered the most startling estimate yet
of the magnitude of the disaster: Asked how many people died in New
Orleans, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." The
death toll has already reached at least 121 in Mississippi.
If the estimate proves correct, it would make Katrina the worst
natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San
Francisco earthquake and fire, which was blamed for anywhere from
about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation's
deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas,
killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people.
Nagin called for a total evacuation of New Orleans, saying the city
had become uninhabitable for the 50,000 to 100,000 who remained behind
after the city of nearly a half-million people was ordered cleared out
over the weekend, before Katrina blasted the Gulf Coast with 145-mph
winds.
The mayor said that it will be two or three months before the city is
functioning again and that people would not be allowed back into their
homes for at least a month or two.
"We need an effort of 9-11 proportions," former New Orleans Mayor Marc
Morial, now president of the Urban League, said on NBC's "Today"
show. "So many of the people who did not evacuate, could not evacuate
for whatever reason. They are people who are African-American mostly
but not completely, and people who were of little or limited economic
means. They are the folks, we've got to get them out of there."
"A great American city is fighting for its life," he added. "We must
rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and
multiculturalism."
With New Orleans sinking deeper into desperation, Nagin ordered
virtually the entire police force to abandon search-and-rescue efforts
Wednesday and stop the increasingly brazen thieves.
"They are starting to get closer to heavily populated areas - hotels,
hospitals, and we're going to stop it right now," Nagin said.
In a sign of growing lawlessness, Tenet HealthCare Corp. asked
authorities late Wednesday to help evacuate a fully functioning
hospital in Gretna after a supply truck carrying food, water and
medical supplies was held up at gunpoint.
The floodwaters streamed into the city's streets from two levee breaks
near Lake Pontchartrain a day after New Orleans thought it had escaped
catastrophic damage from Katrina. The floodwaters covered 80 percent
of the city, in some areas 20 feet deep, in a reddish-brown soup of
sewage, gasoline and garbage.
The Army Corps of Engineers said it planned to use heavy-duty Chinook
helicopters to drop 15,000-pound bags of sand and stone into a
500-foot gap in the failed floodwall.
But the agency said it was having trouble getting the sandbags and
dozens of 15-foot highway barriers to the site because the city's
waterways were blocked by loose barges, boats and large debris.
Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu toured the stricken areas said said rescued
people begged him to pass information to their families. His pocket
was full of scraps of paper on which he had scribbled down their phone
numbers.
When he got a working phone in the early morning hours Thursday, he
contacted a woman whose father had been rescued and told her: "Your
daddy's alive, and he said to tell you he loves you."
"She just started crying. She said, `I thought he was dead,'" he said.
Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Robert Tanner,
Allen G. Breed, Cain Burdeau, Jay Reeves and Brett Martel contributed
to this report.
Copyright 2005 The Associated Press.
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From: Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Recording Industry Sues More U.S. File Swappers
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:36:59 -0500
The recording industry on Wednesday filed its latest round of
copyright infringement lawsuits, targeting 754 people it claims used
online file-sharing networks to illegally trade in songs.
The lawsuits were filed in federal district courts across the country,
including California, Colorado, Georgia, Missouri, New York,
Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington, D.C.
The world's major record labels, represented by the Recording Industry
Association of America, have filed more than 14,000 such lawsuits
since September 2003.
Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.
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From: Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: Hurricane Katrina Cuts Phone Service to Millions
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:10:11 -0500
Millions of people in storm-ravaged areas of the southern United
States were without telephone service on Wednesday, with flooding and
power outages from Hurricane Katrina hampering efforts to restore
networks.
BellSouth Corp., the dominant local telephone company in much of the
area, said service had been cut to about 1.75 million customers along
the Gulf Coast, from Louisiana to Florida. Spokesman Joseph Chandler
said 750,000 customers were in the hardest-hit areas of Louisiana and
Mississippi.
Large wireless carriers also reported problems with their networks.
"A significant amount of the network is out in all of the areas
affected, especially in areas such as New Orleans," said Cingular
Wireless spokesman Ritch Blasi. "As the waters and floods subside,
we'll begin some of the restoration efforts."
With power still out in many parts of Louisiana and Mississippi, the
switches and infrastructure that runs the telecommunications networks
were operating on backup power, either batteries or generators.
Chandler said BellSouth was beginning to assess the damage to its
network in Alabama and Mississippi, but it might be some time before
it was able to reach its equipment in New Orleans. About 80 percent of
the city is under water.
Cellular companies said text messages and e-mails were more likely to
reach people on cellular phones than voice calls. Such messages are
sent as small bursts of data and can find a path to the network more
easily than a voice call, which requires a steady connection.
Some cell phone users were also able to place calls, but not receive
them, depending on which cellular towers were working.
Verizon Wireless spokeswoman Sheryl Sellaway said the company's
network was starting to improve from Tuesday. Cingular, the wireless
venture of SBC Communications Inc. and BellSouth, and Verizon
Wireless, a venture of Verizon Communications and Vodafone Group Plc,
had used stores in some areas to offer free calling and phone
recharging.
Sellaway said Verizon was also readying portable cellular towers to be
deployed in areas where the company had lost equipment or could not
reach it.
With hit-or-miss telephone service, many people turned to the Internet
to attempt contact relatives or friends. Several Internet sites set up
boards for people to post messages to reach relatives or swap news
about particular neighborhoods.
Copyright 2005 Reuters Limited.
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From: Reuters News Wire <reuters@telecom-digest.org>
Subject: European Cellphones to Get Faster Data
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 10:42:41 -0500
T-Mobile International, Deutsche Telekom's mobile division, will
launch the new HSDPA high-speed mobile service in four European
countries by March to improve Internet speed on mobile phones.
HSDPA is a special version of third generation (3G) mobile phone
services, offering data speed which allows clients to watch television
on mobile phones and is even faster than many fixed-line broadband
connections.
"High-speed 3G will be available wherever T-Mobile already offers 3G
coverage," T-Mobile Chief Executive Rene Obermann said at the IFA
consumer electronics show in Berlin. T-Mobile has 3G services in
Germany, Britain, Austria and the Netherlands.
The new service, also dubbed the "data turbo," will deliver
transmission rates of up to 1.8 megabits per second initially, and 7.2
megabits per second eventually, Obermann said. Typical DSL fixed-line
broadband delivers 1 megabit per second.
T-Mobile will also launch a new subscription plan in Germany called
mobile@home, designed to fully replace a fixed-line connection at
home, mimicking a popular plan offered by rival O2's German arm.
Subscribers of mobile@home will pay the much lower call fees used in
fixed-line networks if their mobile phones are detected to be in their
homes.
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Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:40:35 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: OnStar by GM Turns Ten Years Old
Nearly 4 million GM customers receive value and benefits from OnStar
safety, security and peace of mind services
DETROIT, Aug. 31 /PRNewswire/ -- Since beginning operations in 1995,
OnStar by GM has grown to become the nation's leading provider of
in-vehicle safety, security and communications services using wireless
and Global Positioning System (GPS) satellite technology. Throughout
the past ten years, OnStar has continually evolved, providing its
nearly 4 million subscribers with the industry's most comprehensive
in-vehicle safety and security system.
On average each month, OnStar advisors respond to more than 383,000
routing calls, 43,000 remote door unlocks, 23,000 roadside assistance
calls, 27,000 remote vehicle diagnostic checks, more than 400 stolen
vehicle location assistance requests, 900 air bag deployment
notifications, 15,000 emergency service requests, and 5,000 Good
Samaritan calls.
- http://finance.lycos.com/home/news/story.asp?story=51481153
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Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:19:16 -0400
From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com>
Subject: With 25-Song Cap, iTunes Phone May Underwhelm
David M. Ewalt and Peter Kafka
NEW YORK - For more than a year, Apple and Motorola's plans to release
an iTunes-enabled phone have tantalized the music and mobile phone
businesses. Now, with the two companies set to unveil the long-rumored
handset Sept. 7, they might be underdelivering.
A person who has seen a version of the phone says it was designed to
accommodate just 25 songs, which would be "sideloaded" from a user's
computer using iTunes. The phone was equipped with a 128-megabyte
Sandisk TransFlash memory card -- just one-quarter the capacity of
Apple's smallest iPod, the 512-megabyte shuffle, which holds about
120 songs.
While it should be possible to swap out the memory card on the new
iTunes phone for one with more capacity, the person who has seen the
handset says the phone's software appears to artificially cap song
storage at 25 songs, regardless of how much memory the phone has.
http://www.forbes.com/technology/2005/08/30/itunes-motorola-phone-cx_pak_0830ipod.html
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 13:43:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: USTelecom dailyLead <ustelecom@dailylead.com>
Subject: Microsoft Serious About VoIP
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From: Diamond Dave <dmine45.NOSPAM@yahoo.DOTcom>
Subject: Re: New Orleans Phones Are All Out, Also
Organization: The BBS Corner / Diamond Mine On-Line
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:11:21 -0400
On Tue, 30 Aug 2005 02:16:28 GMT, Jim Burks <jbburks@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Has anybody heard from Mark Cuccia? Hopefully, he either got out of town, or
> is keeping his head above water.
I know Mark quite well and I'm conerned about his well being as well.
I have not heard from him since Sunday afternoon. He told me he was
staying put at his apartment in the eastern section of New Orleans.
His mother and sister left for Houston about a day before Katrina hit.
I keep trying his home phone and cell phone, but obviously neither are
working. Hopefully he is alright. If I hear anything, I'll post it
here as well as other places where he has been known to hang out. If
anyone gets a hold of him before I do, please do the same!
In addition to his well being, I'm also worried if his apartment got
flooded and that he lost a lot of telco related books and manuals that
he has collected over the years.
Lets keep everyone involved in our thoughts and prayers!!
Dave Perrussel
Webmaster - Telephone World
http://www.dmine.com/phworld
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You might wish to try the Tulane
University library, where he was employed, and ask them what they
know, if anything. I do not know how badly, if at all, the flood
affected the library and its book collections. Obviously, the phones
are out, but perhaps someone with some imagination can find a way to
reach the library staff. PAT]
------------------------------
From: Joe Morris <jcmorris@mitre.org>
Subject: Re: Connecticut Man Sells Micrsoft Windows Source Code
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 12:50:44 UTC
Organization: The MITRE Organization
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com writes:
> I believe IBM always made the source code available for its mainframe
> operating systems. Competitors could and would use it for supplemental
> utility programs. They would write links and exits to/from the
> operating system for maximum program efficiency.
Until June 1969 (a date known in the IBM mainframe community as "New
World") IBM (with a very few exceptions) didn't even copyright its
software, and did not charge for it. The price was bundled into the
charges for IBM hardware. That's why you can find the source for
pre-New World MVS and VM on the Internet, and run them in the Hercules
S/370 emulator on a PC.
After New World, the combined pressure of the IBM mainframe clone
manufacturers and the Justice Department antitrust lawsuit gave IBM
the opening to unbundle software and begin charging what were then
extremely high prices. (On the day of the New World announcement IBM
released four "program products". A headline in a subsequent issue of
_Computerworld_ read "SURPRISE! Software costs as much as a
printer!". The reference was to one of the four program products,
Generalized Information System (GIS), which had a monthly charge
(running forever) of ~US$1200 (in 1969 dollars!), which was about the
same as the monthly rental fee for a 1403-N1 1100 lpm printer.
Don't take the above price as exact; it's been 36 years ... <grin>
However ... even after New World many of the program products still
offered an option for the customer to obtain the (copyrighted) source
code. A few years later, however, the PHB contingent at IBM decided
that it was a Bad Thing to allow mere customers to see the source
code, with the result that IBM implemented the Object Code Only (OCO)
policy.
IBM insisted that there was no need for customers to see the source or
*gasp* modify it to meet their organization's requirements because IBM
was providing defined interfaces that gave customers all they needed.
(Does this sound like the attitude of a certain software vendor in
Redmond?)
One other consequence of the OCO policy was that the customers could
no longer debug the problems that were encountered when using the IBM
products. One industry observer (Melinda Varian, I think, but I'm not
sure and I've not talked to Melinda in many years) commented that with
the OCO policy IBM had fired its most productive systems support
staff: the unpaid (by IBM) customers.
Joe Morris
------------------------------
From: Barry Margolin <barmar@alum.mit.edu>
Subject: Re: Connecticut Man Sells Micrsoft Windows Source Code
Organization: Symantec
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:13:33 -0400
In article <telecom24.396.11@telecom-digest.org>, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com
wrote:
> Associated Press NewsWire wrote:
>> A Connecticut man known on the Internet as "illwill" pleaded guilty in
>> Manhattan federal court on Monday to charges relating to the theft of
>> the source code to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating software,
>> considered among the company's crown jewels.
> I believe IBM always made the source code available for its mainframe
> operating systems. Competitors could and would use it for supplemental
> utility programs. They would write links and exits to/from the
> operating system for maximum program efficiency.
When IBM did this, they were a hardware company. The OS was just
something that made their hardware useful to the customer, it wasn't
considered valuable on its own. And if third-party vendors made use
of it to make more applications and peripherals available, it meant
that IBM would sell even *more* computers. So there was little down
side to making the OS available.
But Microsoft is a software company. All they have is their software,
and if someone else starts selling it, those are sales that Microsoft
has lost.
Barry Margolin, barmar@alum.mit.edu
Arlington, MA
*** PLEASE post questions in newsgroups, not directly to me ***
------------------------------
From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: Is Verizon Wireless Sabotaging Older Cell Phones?
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 18:36:14 -0700
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> I don't know about that stuff. I do know that, for some time now,
> none of the carriers would activate any analog phones.
There is, from the carrier's perspective, a very good reason not to
activate analog-only phones; you can't put anywhere near the number of
callers onto a tower with analog that you can with digital.
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Company website: http://JustThe.net/
Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/
E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
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From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: More Charges for Los Angeles Man in ChoicePoint ID Theft
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 19:19:41 -0700
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
Dan Whitcomb wrote:
> A Nigerian man
Scams, financial and otherwise, seem to be a growth industry in
Nigeria.
This is probably a pipe dream, but I'd love to see these slimebags hit
hard with economic sanctions of some sort. I just don't know how much
trade we do with them (probably not much coming into the US; the
question is, how much going out?)
Steve Sobol, Professional Geek 888-480-4638 PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
Company website: http://JustThe.net/
Personal blog, resume, portfolio: http://SteveSobol.com/
E: sjsobol@JustThe.net Snail: 22674 Motnocab Road, Apple Valley, CA 92307
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From: Tim@Backhome.org
Subject: Re: Long Distance = 211 (was Sid Ceasar and Phones)
Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2005 03:26:24 -0700
Organization: Cox Communications
nmclain@annsgarden.com wrote:
> Tim@Backhome.org wrote:
>> Actually, that part was accurate around the LA area (or at least the
>> suburban independents) in the 1950s. You dialed "0" for the local
>> operator and "211" for the long distance operator.
> In Alfred Hitchcock's "Rear Window," Jimmy Stewart is watching
> (through a very long lens) his across-the-court neighbor (Raymond
> Burr) as Burr picks up the phone and dials three digits. Stewart,
> narrating the events to his girlfriend (Grace Kelly), recognizes "211"
> and mutters "long distance."
I wonder whether "211" was just a California thing in those days? If
so, wasn't Jimmy, Raymond, and Grace (oh what a beautiful woman ;-) in
an apartment house in NYC?
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I know we had '211' in the Chicago area
in those days and in New York City as well. PAT]
------------------------------
From: Wesrock@aol.com
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 16:40:30 EDT
Subject: Re: Sid Ceasar and Phones in Comedy
In a message dated Tue, 30 Aug 2005 16:01:57 -0700, Tim@Backhome.org writes:
> hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> letting it properly return. The man then made another call, this time
>> dialing only three digits. "Long Distance? Get me Walt Disney in
>> Hollywood!".
> Actually, that part was accurate around the LA area (or at least the
> suburban independents) in the 1950s. You dialed "0" for the local
> operator and "211" for the long distance operator.
Was this true in LA, which was still primarily step at this time?
Most predominantly step cities used "110" for the Long Distance
operator.
Predominantly panel type cities (including those that had some
crossbar mixed in by this time) used "211."
Wes Leatherock
wesrock@aol.com
wleathus@yahoo.com
------------------------------
From: mc <mc_no_spam@uga.edu>
Subject: Re: Dear comp.dcom.telecom Readers
Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2005 11:14:51 -0400
I thought this (comp.dcom.telecom) was a moderated newsgroup.
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I kept the 'Re:' on the subject line of
this message because even though _I_ did not see this message at all
(it may have fallen in the spam trash basket here and gone
unobserved), apparently _some people_ got the original comment. If
anyone wants to tell me what the _original message_ was all about, I
will be most appreciative. My presumption (we know what 'they' say
about 'assume' and 'assumption'; what do 'they' say about 'presume'
and 'presumption'?) is that it was some flavor of spam, or scam, or
other get-rich-quick scheme. And yes, mc, c.d.t. is in theory a
moderated newsgroup. Years and years ago, I would have seen your
message (of course, I probably would have seen my copy of it also) and
dropped everything to rush around and find out which news site had a
leak which was allowing the spam/scam to propogate around the net. It
was important to keep _my_ newsgroup looking impeccable. I would have
sat here and put out control:cancel messages until I was blue in the
face, to keep the newsgroup clean. That's when I was known as the
moderator who did not give a shit, or even an iota of a shit.
For quite some time now, Usenet has been an area that I simply cannot
be concerned about. Yes, I still feed it daily, but no, I do not worry
about the sewage which flows in from everywhere on an almost daily
basis. Like the former crown jewel of the south, New Orleans, the
internet is sinking deeper and deeper into the mire every day. Like we
are going to see in the instance of New Orleans where most people who
_matter_ and most institutions which _matter_ are going to desert it
totally over the next couple of years, giving it over to the Red Ants
which are feasting on the carcasses -- human and animal -- floating
along Canal Street, we'll begin to see (already have begun to see)
less and less of what _matters_ on the net, which in the 1980-90's
used to be our own crown jewel. If someone who has a copy of the
message in question will send it to me, I'll do a cancel on it if
it is still possible. PAT]
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