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TELECOM Digest     Sun, 22 May 2005 21:38:00 EDT    Volume 24 : Issue 227

Inside This Issue:                             Editor: Patrick A. Townson

    Our RSS Now Running Full Time (TELECOM Digest Editor)
    Why Does it Take So Long? (AES)
    OneSuite (NOTvalid@surplus4actors.INFO)
    Re: Foreign Exchange (FX) Lines Still in Use? (Robert Bonomi)
    Re: Foreign Exchange (FX) Lines Still in Use? (Al Gillis)
    Re: Switch Identification (Howard Eisenhauer)
    Re: Thinking About VOIP (John Levine)
    Re: Thinking About VOIP (Tim@Backhome.org)
    Re: An Incident Forty Years Ago at Bell Labs (AES)
    Re: 1A2 Help Requested (Don Bowey)
    Re: PRI Problems (was Re: 1A2 Help Requested) (Don Bowey)
    Re: Cingular/SMS Ripoff Alert (MVL)

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Subject: Our RSS Now Running Full Time
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 20:42:40 EDT
From: ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu (TELECOM Digest Editor)


One of our long time readers here at the Digest spent consideable time
and effort this past week in getting the TELECOM Digest RSS feed up
and running. He knows who he is; he wishes to remain anonymous; but I
owe him a very BIG _thank you_ for his work. The intent was to get the
feed working directly from Telecom, rather than 'borrowing' a feed
from Google Groups or Yahoo. It required a 'hook' through the
Hypermail code which you see on our page:
http://massis.lcs.mit.edu/telecom-archives/TELECOM_Digest_Online/atom.xml
or its alias: http://telecom-digest.org/TELECOM_Digest_Online/atom.xml

All the test feeds which were used in the past week have been
scrapped; now _our_ feed comes back to the Online pages on the web
site. So, if you experimented with this early on, you are going to
need to go through your source code. Instead of the Google groups code
I had been using, please go now to the 'atom.xml' address mentioned
above. You can also get TELECOM Digest on your 'My Yahoo' page if you
have one, and in a day or so, you will also be able to get the Digest
on 'My MSN' as well, and a few other larger web sites.

Look at http://telecom-digest.org/rss.html to see examples of how to
structure a javascript as desired, and
http://telecom-digest.org/TELECOM_Digest_Online/atom.xml for the atual
feed itself. 

PAT and Lisa

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From: AES <siegman@stanford.edu>
Subject: Why Does it Take So Long?
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:05:46 -0700
Organization: Stanford University


amazon.com routinely gets books delivered to my front door in just a
day or two after they're ordered on line (even when the order is
actually passed on to one of their affiliated used book sellers).
Many other online vendors get physical products to me in the same
length of time.

But I just ordered a major American magazine subscription, and a major
American weekly book review journal subscription through amazon, and
been told to be patient: it may take CLOSE TO THREE MONTHS before
either of these start arriving.

Is there some reason for this bizarre situation?

(And is there some other "comp" or other newgroup where people might 
have answers to this curiousity-driven query?)



[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: The problem may be that amazon.com
stocks most of their books and merchandise through their warehouse
here in Independence/Coffeyville, and those guys work hard at filling
orders each day. They try hard to 'turn around' orders within one or
two days of getting the request. But, they are also vendors for a
variety of magazine publishers, and Amazon passes those orders along
to their publishers who then _do their own thing_ regards filling
orders. Amazon cannot help how slow some others are at filling orders,
so they give that disclaimer message on those orders they take.  PAT]

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From: NOTvalid@surplus4actors.INFO
Subject: OneSuite
Date: 21 May 2005 22:35:24 -0700
Organization: http://groups.google.com


I have been a very happy user of OneSuite for well over a year, maybe
close to two.

I have the affiliate thingy on two of my www pages and was getting 8-9
referrals a month. I also send a label I printed up with the same
offer with all my bill payments for credit cards, cable TV etc. Heck
they send me ads I send them some back. Maybe even people at my phone
company have signed up for OneSUite.

Everything was going OK until and of March when OneSuite changed their
software.

I got no referral credits for April and none for May so far.

Anyone else have that problem?

Also, now whenever I got to their web site at
https://www.onesuite.com
Adobe Acrobat reader boots up, even when I do not click on a .PDF link.

Does that happen to anyone else?

They seem surprised when I mention these things.

Above Email is NOT valid, but private responses may be sent to
OneSuite@XmasNYC.Info
which I will kill when it starts getting spam.

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From: bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com (Robert Bonomi)
Subject: Re: Foreign Exchange (FX) Lines Still in Use?
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 07:07:35 -0000
Organization: Widgets, Inc.


In article <telecom24.226.5@telecom-digest.org>,
Robert Bonomi <bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com> wrote:

> In article <telecom24.224.13@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM Digest
> Editor noted in response to Robert Bonomi:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: As Robert knows, those four additional
>> touch tone keys were known as A,B,C, and D. I forget the exact 
>> meaning of each, but my question is, did anyone with 'regular'
>> service but with an Autovon phone ever try pressing those keys in
>> a regular call?  I did a couple times, and the immediate result was
>> a 'fast busy' signal; the call would not complete.   PAT]

> On the PSTN, it somewhat depended on the switch and programming.
> 'Reorder' was the very-common switch reaction.  There were a few
> switches that completely 'ignored' those signals.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But did you ever see/hear any that
> neither ignored nor offered re-order, but instead actually _did
> something_ ?  I never did.  PAT]

I knew of a couple of PBXs that used 'em for some call-routing
selections.  Twas an easy way to make a particular feature 'not
available' from most phones, -without- having to get into extended
"class of service" restrictions.

I never encountered a _telco_ C.O. that implemented any
user-accessible functionality on them.  I've got a vague recollection
of some telco 'test' systems that used em _after_ the call to the test
system was connected.  Of course, that _wasn't_ the switch doing it.

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From: Al Gillis <alg@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: Foreign Exchange (FX) Lines Still in Use?
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 10:31:30 -0700
Organization: http://extra.newsguy.com


Robert Bonomi <bonomi@host122.r-bonomi.com> wrote in message
news:telecom24.226.5@telecom-digest.org:

> In article <telecom24.224.13@telecom-digest.org>, TELECOM Digest
> Editor noted in response to Robert Bonomi:

>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: As Robert knows, those four additional
>> touch tone keys were known as A,B,C, and D. I forget the exact
>> meaning of each, but my question is, did anyone with 'regular'
>> service but with an Autovon phone ever try pressing those keys in
>> a regular call?  I did a couple times, and the immediate result was
>> a 'fast busy' signal; the call would not complete.   PAT]

> On the PSTN, it somewhat depended on the switch and programming.
> 'Reorder' was the very-common switch reaction.  There were a few
> switches that completely 'ignored' those signals.

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: But did you ever see/hear any that
> neither ignored nor offered re-order, but instead actually _did
> something_ ?  I never did.  PAT]

I've got a Western Electric 3666-1A key set (Autovon dial).  I've tried
pressing the A, B, C and D keys while connected to both a Nortel DMS-200 (CO
Switch) and a Nortel Meridian-1 (PBX).  In both cases I got reorder while
listening to dial tone (that is, no call had been established yet) and no
effect while an established call was in progress.

The Names of the additional keys are:
FO (Flash Override) adjacent to the 3 key
F (Flash) adjacent to the 6 key
I (Immeadiate) adjacent to the 9 key
P (Priority) adjacent to the # key  (See note)

Note: My 3666-1A has a key designated as "A" where the # key is placed
on a normal dial pad.  I don't know if this is standard for "Autovon"
dials.  The tone generated by this key (according to a "digit
grabber") is that of a # key, however.  Another interesting thing is
that the Star key (left of 0) is not an asterisk but rather it's a
real star!  That is, a five pointed star, white lines on the gray
background (or is it a grey background?) with a hollow center.

Al

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From: Howard Eisenhauer <howarde@REMOVECAPShfx.eastlink.ca>
Subject: Re: Switch Identification
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 19:35:40 GMT


On Sat, 21 May 2005 17:39:42 -0400, Mike Cater <cater@cdvill66e.org>
wrote:

> Recently I switched service providers for my POTS line.  We used to be
> using a WECo 5ESS, with the older line cards (the better sounding
> ones!). I switched to a cable provider and obtained a landline through
> them. It's not VOiP. It is routed through the same switch I used to
> use but it's not homed from that switch.  So obviously this makes
> finding the CLLI of the switch alot harder.

> To get to the point, while messing around with the switchhook I got a
> strange busy signal. It's 1600 Hz on for 0.5 seconds, off for 0.5
> seconds.  Here's a wav file of it: http://tinyurl.com/4dk34/busy.mp3

> If you have any idea of what kind of switch this is,
> please advise! Thanks.

Obviously, while playing with the hook switch you managed to connect
to the gate shack at a construction site- that sound is quite
definately a '95 Mack 3 ton dump truck in the process of backing up
:).

H.

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Date: 22 May 2005 22:12:17 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: Thinking About VOIP
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA


> I'm thinking about subscribing to one of the many VOIP services
> (Vonage, Callvantage, etc.) and have a few questions.

> Are any of these good enough to replace a POTS line? I'll be using it
> over Verizon's new Fios service.

I don't think so, but it depends what you expect from a POTS line.
None are as reliable as POTS, both because they depend on your ISP,
and router all working, and because they all have the occasional
flakeout.  (Phone companies have spent the past 130 years learning how
to make phones reliable, so it's not surprising that it's taking a
while for VoIP to catch up.)  Other than Packet8, none of them offer
real 911, so you'd best have a cell phone for emergencies that you
keep charged and working.

> Lingo seems to offer the most for the least amount of money. Are they
> worth considering?

I dumped Vonage in favor of Lingo earlier this year when the call
quality became unusable and their customer service turned out to
consist of a 24/7 busy signal.  Lingo's been OK, call quality and
reliability are decent, support is OK.  My only complaint so far is
that through some screwup, a call to Argentina that I know was about
one minute was billed as 3 1/2 hours.  They reduced it somewhat, but
not as much as I'd like.  But since the rate was only 4 cpm, the
actual amount at issue was on the order of two bucks.

I have a web page at http://net.gurus.com/phone that has an overview
of VoIP and some links if you're interested.  It's not a formal
comparison; the only ones I've tried are Vonage, Lingo, and Net2phone.

R's,

John

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From: Tim@Backhome.org
Subject: Re: Thinking About VOIP
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 01:27:45 -0700
Organization: Cox Communications


I have been a Vonage subscriber for just over two years in my
residence for home-office and personal long distance use.  I also
retained one SBC wireline phone as our residential incoming line.

Based on my experience I would not consider replacing my primary
wireline service with either VOIP or wireless.

The Vonage is good, but it does go down on occasion, whether from
Vonage problems or my broadband (cable) provider's problems.  And, we
have an average of 4-6 commercial power failures a year where I live.
Only the wireline service and its robust access to E911 can survive
all of that.

William Cousert wrote:

> I'm thinking about subscribing to one of the many VOIP services
> (Vonage, Callvantage, etc.) and have a few questions.

> Are any of these good enough to replace a POTS line? I'll be using it
> over Verizon's new Fios service.

> Where can I find a comparison of all the available services? I did a
> quick google search and found nothing.

> Do any of the services offer a discounted rate for a second or third
> line?

> Lingo seems to offer the most for the least amount of money. Are they
> worth considering?

> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: For myself, I go with Vonage, mainly
> because of my advertising relationship with them. I do not know if
> that makes them 'better' or not, just 'cheaper' for me. I still have
> some Vonage e-coupons good for one month of free service. If anyone
> wants to test out Vonage, email me and ask for an e-coupon. The deal
> is, you click on the link in the email I send you; it then walks you
> through the sign up process of getting a number assigned, shipping
> out the telephone adapter (quite easy to install), etc. You use a
> credit card of your choice to pay for the adapter and a month of
> service. _Then_ the e-coupon kicks in, and whatever service you
> bought, you get a second month of the same for free. Email me for
> your coupon:  ptownson@massis.lcs.mit.edu      PAT]

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From: AES <siegman@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: An Incident Forty Years Ago at Bell Labs
Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 07:42:57 -0700
Organization: Stanford University


In article <telecom24.226.4@telecom-digest.org>, Lisa Minter
<lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Forty years ago this month, at the Bell Labs offices in New Jersey,
> the suspected origin of the universe was discovered, quite by 
> accident. They were not looking for that; it sort of just fell into
> their laps, and later, it got them substantial recognition.

> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4655517&sourceCode=RSS 
If you'd like to see pictures of the hardware and some of the 
history that goes along with this:

http://www.stanford.edu/~siegman/cleo_plenary.pdf

(Unfortunately you have to download the whole 2.5 MB PDF presentation;
look for the two or three slides on either side of the one that says
"A Nobel in the noise . . . ")

<http://www.stanford.edu/~siegman/cleo_plenary_te.pdf>

(Same presentation but with half-size slides and the speaker's
notes.)

One of the few fundamental physical phenomena the measurement of which
was impeded by, among other things, bird poop.

This wasn't the first time that someone measuring noise at Bell Labs
had made a fundamental physical discovery.  Physicists these days, and
even electrical engineers, often call it "Nyquist noise": e_n^ 2 = 4
kTRB in the classical limit.

But in fact it was a Bell Labs engineer, J. R. Johnson, trying to
track down the source of noise in early triode amplifiers, who
observed that some of this noise seemed to come from the grid bias
resistor.

So he performed extensive experiments using all kinds of different 
resistances (carbon, wire wound, even some liquid-cell resistors, at 
different temperatures); and concluded that they all seemed to contain a 
universal noise source

      e_n^ 2  ‰  4.0 (+/- 0.07) kTRB

After he published a lengthy, total experimental paper on this:

[1]   J. R. Johnson, "Thermal agitation of electricity in conductors," 
Phys. Rev., vol. 32, pp. 97--109, 1928.

his Bell Labs colleague wrote a brief, remarkably simple quantum 
derivation of the same result, in its full quantum form.

[2]   H. Nyquist, "Thermal agitation of electric charge in conductors," 
Phys. Rev., vol. 32, pp. 110--113, 1928.

and laid the basis for pretty much all of our understanding of thermal
noise, circuit noise, maser and laser noise, and their connections to
thermodynamics and blackbody radiation today.

> Forty years ago this month, at the Bell Labs offices in New Jersey,
> the suspected origin of the universe was discovered, quite by 
> accident. They were not looking for that; it sort of just fell into
> their laps, and later, it got them substantial recognition.

> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4655517&sourceCode=RSS 

In my first response I pointed out an earlier, related, and also quite 
fundamental discovery at Bell Labs made almost eighty years ago; and 
cited the references

[1]   J. R. Johnson, "Thermal agitation of electricity in 
        conductors," Phys. Rev., vol. 32, pp. 97--109, 1928.
 
[2]   H. Nyquist, "Thermal agitation of electric charge in 
        conductors," Phys. Rev., vol. 32, pp. 110--113, 1928.

Just to push this a little further, if you want to read these early
Phys Rev papers you can go to the American Physical Society's "PROLA"
web site <http://prola.aps.org/> and download copies of these classic
early Bell Labs contributions for free.

In fact, the _entire_ massive print run of Phys Rev all the way back to 
Vol. 1, No. 1, in _1893_ is available on line at this site.

But suppose you want to read about some of the Bell Labs work which
laid the foundations for the forty year ago accomplishment that Lisa
Minter has (very justifiably) noted above; two of them are

[1]   R. W. DeGrasse, E. O. Schulz-DuBois, and H. E. D. Scovil, "The 
       three-level solid state traveling wave maser," Bell Sys. Tech. 
       J., vol. 38, pp. 305--335, 1959.
 
[2]   A. B. Crawford, D. C. Hogg, and L. E. Hunt, "Project Echo: A 
        horn antenna for space communication," Bell Sys. Tech. J., pp. 
        1095--1099, 1961.

Well, the Bell System Technical Journal (BSTJ) -- which in its full
print run since 1928 has presented not just these papers, but numerous
fundamental papers on the invention of waveguides, Shannon's
communication theory, North's fundamental noise and signal theory
papers, important early papers in quantum theory and chemistry, many
fundamental papers on lasers including all the pioneering papers on
laser resonators, and many others -- IS NOT AVAILABLE ON LINE, IN
SCANNED OR ELECTRONIC FORM, ANYWHERE.

Trying to get this situation changed has been one of my pet hobby
horses for some time.  If any telecom readers and/or Bell Labs alumni
have any way to help make it happen, it would be very much worth
doing.


[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: If you are able to make this happen,
I'd feel honored to make them part of the Telecom Archives files, as
was done with the Western Union Tech Review files.   PAT]

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:04:11 -0700
Subject: Re: 1A2 Help Requested
From: Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net>


On 5/10/05 12:06 PM, in article telecom24.207.7@telecom-digest.org,
Matt <mattmorgan64@msn.com> wrote:

> Thanks all, for the comments, links etc -- I've gotten several replies
> from the people in this group via email.

> My KSU should be here tomorrow ... and the phones to follow shortly.

> There is a bunch of the 25 pair cable up in the attic of the building I
> work in; I even found one with a female connector on one end.

> Now I'm shopping for a good punchdown tool. Looks like it's going to be
> the most expensive part of this whole endeaveor (Phone: $45. KSU: $55.
> Punchdown tool: $65 - 75).

I'm reading this a while after you seem to have gotten enough info to get
started, but ...

I have the full Bell "Key Systems Service Manual" and can provide some
help if you run into a wall on your project.  It contains wiring
configurations for various uses of the Key System, and all the KTU,
etc, schematics.  Email me if you need something from it.

Don

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Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:18:40 -0700
Subject: Re: PRI Problems (was Re: 1A2 Help Requested)
From: Don Bowey <dbowey@comcast.net>


On 5/11/05 6:03 PM, in article telecom24.210.10@telecom-digest.org, "Justa
Lurker" <JustaLurker@att.net> wrote:

> Although I suppose a timing/sync problem with clock slippage **might**
> be the culprit, it's funny that it only manifests itself twice a day
> rather than constantly [for severe uncontrolled slips] or at
> evenly-spaced intervals throughout the day & night [for less frequent
> slips].

Your entire post is well done, but the above slightly misses the mark.

Big IF ... If one terminal is timed from a source traceable to a
Stratum 1 clock and the other terminal is clocked from an
unsynchronized Stratum 3 clock, it would not be unusual to see the
stated trouble pattern due to the long-term frequency drift rate of
the Stratum 3 clock.  I've fixed a few of these sync problems.

Don

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From: mvl_groups_user@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Cingular / sms.ac Ripoff Alert
Date: 22 May 2005 17:55:58 -0700


I had the same thing happen (see my post at alt.cellular.verizon).

1) First, I would suggest a complaint to the FCC.  Per the FCC's
website, the company has 45 days to respond to you.  SMS.AC is a
California company, so fully under the FCC's jurisdiction.  SMS.AC
should be fully liable for refunding all charges if you were not
properly notified of pricing.

2) Second, there is information on cancelling your account on
www.sms.ac.  If you didn't set up an account (ie someone else put your
number in), there is (under the pricing section) a way to send a "STOP
ALL" text to a certain phone number.

For all who have had problems with this company, please file an FCC
complaint.  The FCC has the power to levy severe fines on deceptive
marketing practices such as those of SMS.AC, but prioritizes their
efforts based on complaint volume.

-MVL

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