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TELECOM Digest Sat, 14 May 2005 06:19:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 212
Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson
Yahoo Gets Sued Over Candyman Child Porn Site (Lisa Minter)
Senate Technology & Energy Committee Meeting Scheduled 5-18-05 (Decker)
PESQ Testing Software Cost (wle)
Re: Will 911 Difficulties Derail VoIP? (AES)
Re: Setting up an Automated RSS Feed (Isaiah Beard)
Re: Do Cell Phones Still Offer "A" and "B" Carriers? (John Levine)
Re: Do Cell Phones Still Offer "A" and "B" Carriers? (NOTvalid@surplus)
Re: FAQ: How Real ID Will Affect You (hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com)
Re: Vonage Changes 911 to Opt-Out (Mark Peters)
Re: AT&T - Cingular - Alltel; They Broke MY Contract! (Steve Sobol)
Re: GSM Roaming ({{{{{Welcome}}}})
Re: Last Laugh! Christian Telco in Gay Smear Allegations (Pete Romfh)
Re: Last Laugh! Christian Telco in Gay Smear Allegations (Linc Madison)
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From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Yahoo Gets Sued Over Candyman Child Porn Site
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:05:48 -0500
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - A minor and his parents have filed a $10
million lawsuit against Yahoo Inc. and a man who once operated a Yahoo
Groups site where members traded child pornography.
The lawsuit, filed on May 9 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern
District of Texas, charged that Yahoo breached its duties by allowing
co-defendant Mark Bates and others to share child pornography on a
site, called Candyman, that Mister Bates created and moderated via the
Yahoo Groups service.
Yahoo spokeswomen Mary Osako said the company had not been served and
did not comment on pending litigation.
Mister Bates pleaded guilty in 2002 to setting up the Candyman group
site for the trade and distribution of child pornography, the Houston
Chronicle reported at the time. The site attracted several thousand
users and was in operation for two months before Yahoo closed it down
in February, 2001.
Pornographic photos of the plaintiff -- who is using the name little
Johnny Doe -- were taken and posted to the Candyman site by a
neighbor, said the lawsuit, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters.
Among other things, the plaintiffs alleged that Yahoo was aware of the
activity on the site and that it took no action to block or remove the
pornographic images of little Johnny Doe and other children Doe's who
were in the pictures also.
Attorneys familiar with cases involving online service providers said
the Communications Decency Act generally shielded Web sites from
responsibility for material posted by users.
"Unless the plaintiff has very concrete proof that Yahoo knew that
this group contained child pornography, it's very likely that Yahoo
will not be liable," said John Morris, staff counsel at the Center for
Democracy and Technology in Washington.
"We believe that they knew, and at a minimum didn't exercise
reasonable care on their sites," said Adam Voyles, the plaintiffs'
lead attorney for little Johnny and the other Doe children. "After
all, thousands of uploads/downloads of kiddie porn to it each day."
A child pornography investigation led by the FBI and dubbed Operation
Candyman targeted Yahoo Groups users and resulted in the arrest of
more than a thousand people in the United States. With the arrest of
Mister Bates and many participants, others were frightened and ran off
and as of yet have not identified, according to FBI, who stated
'Candyman was the largest raid of its kind ever.'
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From: Jack Decker <jack-yahoogroups@withheld_on_request>
Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 03:44:05 -0400
Subject: [VoIP News] Senate Technology & Energy Committee Meeting 5-18-05
The notice (converted to plain text) is below. Note that a
"Discussion of Voice Over Internet Protocol and 911" is on the agenda.
THE SENATE TECHNOLOGY AND ENERGY COMMITTEE SENATOR BRUCE PATTERSON
CHAIRMAN 505 FARNUM P.O. BOX 30036 LANSING, MICHIGAN 48909-7536 PHONE:
(517) 373-7350 FAX: (517) 373-9228
May 13, 2005
NOTICE OF SCHEDULED MEETING
DATE: Wednesday, May 18, 2005
TIME: 300 p.m.
PLACE: Room 210, Farnum Building, 125 W. Allegan Street, Lansing, MI 48933
PHONE: Christopher Kelley (373-7350)
Committee Clerk
AGENDA
HCR 8 Rep. Schuitmaker A concurrent resolution to urge the United
States Nuclear Regulatory Commission to extend the operating license
of the Palisades Nuclear Power Plant.
HCR 9 Rep. Proos A concurrent resolution to urge the United States
Nuclear Regulatory Commission to extend the operating license of the
D.C. Cook Nuclear Power Plant.
SB 334 Sen. Patterson Public utilities; electric utilities; annual
approval for a low income and energy efficiency factor regarding a
distribution service; provide for.
Discussion of Voice Over Internet Protocol and 911.
And any other business to come properly before the Committee.
Individuals who wish to bring written testimony need to supply
a minimum of twenty copies for distribution.
In the spirit of compliance with the Americans With Disabilities Act
(ADA), individuals with a disability should feel free to contact the
Office of the Secretary of the Senate by phone [(517) 373-2400] or by
TDD [(517) 373-0543] if requesting special services to effectively
participate in the meeting.
How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home:
http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html
If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/
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From: wle <wle@mailinator.com>
Subject: PESQ Testing Software Cost
Date: 13 May 2005 12:47:52 -0700
Does anyone have an idea what the OPERA test system from Opticon costs
with the hardware [pc]?
Thx,
wle.
------------------------------
From: AES <siegman@stanford.edu>
Subject: Re: Will 911 Difficulties Derail VoIP?
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:44:39 -0700
Organization: Stanford University
In article <telecom24.211.14@telecom-digest.org>, Dean M.
<cjmebox-telecomdigest@yahoo.com> wrote in response to AES
<siegman@stanford.edu> proposal regarding VOIP and 911 service:
> I'm a little perplexed by your speculation. Why would a move to VoIP
> have anything to do with killing off use of cable/fiber/copper for
> telco services? Are you predicting a move to a completely wireless
> service provision or am I just misunderstanding your comments? And if
> indeed you are predicting a move to an entirely wireless world, why
> are you portraying VoIP as the cause for this? Can you elaborate?
> Dean
Apologies if I'm not making myself clear.
1) It seems likely that in the not too distant future telephone
service will be almost entirely provided by (or thru) VOIP. And,
there seem to be real technical difficulties -- in particular serious
"caller location identification" difficulties -- associated with
providing 911 service to VOIP phones.
Therefore I'm trying to envision a future situation (admittedly
hypothetical at this point) in which telephone service will no longer
necessarily be directly linked to 911 service, and a telco connection
will no longer be presumed (or legally required) to include 911
capability -- or alternatively where 911 emergency response to calls
from a given location will no longer necessarily be provided or
connected to emergency providers through the telephone network.
2) As a prelude to this, I'm noting that I, and many other residences
and businesses, will likely in the near future obtain our telephone
service and also our broadband Internet access either via a cable
connection, or via a neighborhood or municipal wireless service, or
via a cell phone connection, or via a fiber-to-the-premises
connection, rather than via a conventional twisted-pair telephone wire
to our premises.
If (or rather when) that happens I, and many others, will no longer
need those copper telephone wires (twisted pairs) that currently come
directly from a telco central office (CO) into our homes or
businesses. (Of course if our broadband Internet connection happens
to be DSL we will continue to need that telephone twisted pair, though
we won't need classic phone service on that wire any more, unless
we're really backward and still use a modem.)
3) Nonetheless, all the current telephone twisted pairs between
premises and telco COs will continue to exist, unless they're
deliberately ripped out or allowed to deteriorate. And even for new
homes and buildings ("greenfields construction") there's no technical
reason that similar twisted pairs can't be brought into these new
premises as part of the cable TV connection, or the fiber, or even
just the electrical power wiring.
4) So, let's think about how we might use these existing and any new
copper twisted pairs, not for telephone any more, but for other
"utility" purposes -- possibly including a new kind of 911 service.
In fact, let's refer to these wires, beginning at that point in time,
not as "telephone wires" but as "utility service wires".
5) So, here are just some off the cuff thoughts as to useful services
that could be provided over these utility wires, earning income for
some utility service provider in the process:
a) The telco won't be able to get income any more from selling telco
service over it's telephone wires -- pardon me, utility wires -- and
it therefore won't need banks of telephone switches to service those
wires in its CO any more. So, maybe it will sell all this
infrastructure to "utility providers", or maybe it will go into the
"utility" business itself.
b) One utility service could be a variant of 911 service. That is, in
case of an emergency instead of dialing 911 you just push a red alarm
button on a kind of intercom box in your house or office and it
connects you over the utility wires to your "utility CO" (which was
once your telco CO). This utility CO then connects you -- perhaps
automatically -- to the 911 emergency dispatch setup in your town.
c) Or, maybe you still dial 911 on your VOIP phone -- but instead of
treating this as a VOIP call, your PC connects it to the utility
wires, which are still connected into your home LAN. (If you move
your VOIP phone to a new location in another town, and connect it to
the PC in the new location, that PC will still do the right thing for
your VOIP call.)
d) Using add'l hardware and working with the utility service provider,
your local gas, electric and water providers will read your meters,
not by some "dial-in" call on the VOIP network, but by a hard-wired
connection over the utility service wires.
e) Commercial "always on" burglar alarm and security services can be
provided over the utility wires by security services that work with or
are part of the utility service providers.
f) Ditto fire alarm services.
g) The emergency medical pushbutton gadget that your elderly grandma,
who lives alone, wears on her wrist to call for help could communicate
not over her VOIP telephone service, but over the utility service
system.
And so on for lots and lots of other things. (And note that one of
the featured advantages of VOIP telco service is that you can take
your VOIP phone with you and get into the Internet anywhere -- but
these local utility services are inherently local in character, and
are much better hardwired into a *local* structure, with no need for
the Internet.)
6) Bottom line: I recognize there would be lots of thorny problems
(including major economic and public policy issues) in getting from
the systems we have now to some new scheme like this; and very likely
some downsides and practical problems that I haven't even thought of.
But just maybe, at some point, the very tight connection between
telephone service and 911 emergency service that we're so familiar
with now could evolve so that 911 and telco were more or less
completely de-linked, with both needs met in innovative and more
effective new ways. I'm just trying to do some thinking about how
that might happen.
So, comments welcomed ...
------------------------------
From: Isaiah Beard <sacredpoet@sacredpoet.com>
Subject: Re: Setting up an Automated RSS Feed
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:36:10 -0400
Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com
TELECOM Digest Editor wrote:
> Do any Digest readers know how to go about setting up an _automated_
> RSS feed? I would make this Digest available using RSS if I knew
> how to do it. If so, could you please email me? I will really
> appreciate your help.
> Patrick Townson
http://www.myrsscreator.com/
Unfortunately their website is a bit "flash"y (as in heavy use of
Macromedia products), but they do offer a tool that purports to
automate the creation and dissemination of rss feeds.
E-mail fudged to thwart spammers.
Transpose the c's and a's in my e-mail address to reply.
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Date: 13 May 2005 22:55:38 -0000
From: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Subject: Re: Do Cell Phones Still Offer "A" and "B" Carriers?
Organization: I.E.C.C., Trumansburg NY USA
> Do today's cell phones have any option to do that?
None that I've seen. Typically the A carrier is TDMA or GSM, and the
B carrier is CDMA, so if you forced the phone to the other one it'd
have to fall back to analog and cellco's don't like that.
Ten years ago when I had an analog car phone I would force it to
switch all the time when I was on trips because I knew that the
non-default carrier had a better roaming deal.
R's,
John
------------------------------
From: NOTvalid@surplus4actors.INFO
Subject: Re: Do Cell Phones Still Offer "A" and "B" Carriers?
Date: 13 May 2005 19:33:49 -0700
> wonder in practice how many people bothered to do that; indeed if they
> knew that option was available.
I did it whenever someone asked to use my phone. I would switch it to
other carrier and say "talk as long as you want" follow the
intructions, it will be collect or credit card.
> Do today's cell phones have any option to do that?
My current Virgin Mobile phones only get the Virgin[SPCS] network.
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From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com (Lisa Minter)
Subject: Re: FAQ: How Real ID Will Affect You
Date: 13 May 2005 14:07:47 -0700
Monty Solomon wrote:
> What does that mean for me?
Well, right now we're seeing whole airline flights disrupted because a
person on board _might_ be a terrorist:
"BANGOR, Maine (AP) -- An Air France jetliner en route from Paris to
Boston was diverted to Maine to check on a passenger with nearly the
same name and birthdate as a person on a no-fly list suspected of
terror connections, officials said. "You had a match of the name save
for slight deviation in spelling and the exact date of birth," said
Mark Hatfield, spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration.
(http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Flight-Diverted.html)
So, if your name happens to be the same or nearly the same as a
terrorist or fugitive, you're in trouble.
It means there will be increased risk that you, as an innocent person,
will be locked up because of mistaken identity or false/malicious
charges.
This will happen because as you go about your daily business, your
name will be frequently checked against fugitive, terrorist, and pvt
sector risk lists. If there is even a fuzzy match, a red flag will go
up and your desired transaction will be held up. If you're lucky,
your official ID will be scrutizined, perhaps your picture compared
sent in and compared against a database, and after a wait of an hour
or so, you'll be cleared to proceed (assuming there is nothing nasty
or outstanding about you).
But if you're unlucky, the police will be called and you will be
removed in handcuffs. You will sit in a jail cell without any outside
contact until they get around to determine you aren't the terrorist or
serial killer the match-up suggested you were. It's happened that
fingerprints came over the fax fuzzy, so you just might match them and
will be in even worse trouble.
Keep in mind this isn't just government.
The private sector keeps many more lists and is quite sloppy about
accuracy and security. If there's a fuzzy match, you might not get
arrested, but you won't do your banking or be able to cash a check,
get a job, rent an apt, do anything with a credit card, etc. until the
mess is cleared up. You may need to hire a lawyer at big bucks to
unfreeze everything and prove to them -- at your own expense on your
own time -- that you're you and who they fear you are.
Back in school they'd threaten us with darkening our "permanent
record" with a discipline infraction. Well, today we all do have that
'permanent record' and have no control over what goes on it nor who
may see it (except we OURSELVES can't look at it or even know who has
it). The new laws will require checking that permanent record much
more often than now and increasing the risk of flagging.
As all of us go through life, we have our share of problems. A bitter
divorce or romance breakup. Fired from a job. Fight in a bar.
Dispute with our landlord. Disputes with our neighbors. Thanks to
modern LAWS all of these incidents are carefully tracked on our
permanent record and may come back to haunt us. (And give our
creditors an excuse to charge us more!) Sadly, controls are weak and
inaccurate and malicious info can be added as well. As mentioned, we
don't even know the companies who keep this stuff and we can't get at
it.
------------------------------
From: Mark Peters <mpeters@nospam.wideopenwest.com>
Subject: Re: Vonage Changes 911 to Opt-Out
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:10:08 -0500
A big problem is visitors, especially children who have been taught to
dial 911 in case of an emergency. A device that looks like a phone and
provides dial tone is expected to behave like a phone which includes
911. 911 should not be opt-in or opt-out. 911 should be there. E911 is
the goal.
If there is the possibility of having children visit the house, how do
you propose instructing the visiting children that the phones do not
work properly in emergencies? How do you check that these children
really understand the difference in the phones?
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I am not sure that is going to be an
> improvement. At least now, (with opt-in) if a person takes the
> messages he receives seriously and makes an effort to get 911 turned
> on, as I did, he is going to have at least some working knowledge of
> the limitations of the system. The hassle now are those people who
> 'just assume VOIP works like any other phone'. Most of the time, those
> people know from nothing, all of a sudden have an emergency and dial
> into 911, find it unavailable then the VOIP carrier catches hell for
> it. At least VOIP can now respond, "We _told_ you and you agreed to
> our terms."
> The people who 'just assume' are still going to be around, but VOIP
> really does leave itself open for a lawsuit when they begin to contend
> (by making it an opt-out function) that VOIP is 'just like any other
> phone', when in fact 911 will possibly be the critical distinction
> why it is not. Now the dummies can truthfully say "you never told me".
> I hope, for legal reasons, VOIP holds off on the conversion between
> opt-in/opt-out until they have so throughly and completely tested it
> under stressful conditions that they _know_ it will work for the
> largest number of their customers. PAT]
------------------------------
From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
Subject: Re: AT&T - Cingular - Alltel; They Broke MY Contract!
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:50:04 -0700
Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
Steve wrote:
> I am apparently one of those "unlucky few" who got switched from AT&T
> to Alltel (via Cingular). Though I wasn't very happy with AT&T to
> begin with, I was happy to find that Cingular bought them out, given
> Cingular's rollover, roaming, and other options.
> Unfortunately, I then discovered that I was nothing more than an asset
> that was being sold to Alltel. All-WHO?!
Alltel, the fifth or sixth largest carrier in the country. You
probably aren't aware of them because they primarily serve smaller
cities.
> All I want to know is if anyone has successfully used this MESS as an
> excuse to terminate service w/o a fine. As far as I'm concerned, my
> contract was with AT&T, NOT Alltel (or even Cingular for that matter).
What is Alltel doing that is so horrible that you want to cancel, or
are you just ranting because you're not a Cingular customer?
> I was not warned about Alltel and (like most people), believed all the
> hoopla that I was now a Cingular customer, with all the associated
> benefits. This thing smells like class-action lawsuit to me!!!
Please.
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I think what you will find is the
> contract you signed at some point or another expressly gives _them_
> the right to assign your contract. It did not give _you_ any rights
> like that however; just AT&T. PAT]
Yes, the cell phone contracts generally allow companies to assign
contracts to third parties. Read your original contract.
JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4NET (4638)
Steven J. Sobol, Geek In Charge / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
"The wisdom of a fool won't set you free"
--New Order, "Bizarre Love Triangle"
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From: {{{{{Welcome}}}}} <bhx@hotmail.co.uk>
Subject: Re: GSM Roaming
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:38:50 +0100
Thus spaketh Graham Gower:
> Do switching centres lookup a person's phone in the local VLR before
> searching for its HLR?
> e.g., If my friend from Sydney calls me when I get off the plane
> (at Sydney airport), does the switching centre realise that I'm
> already connected to the local VLR, or will it try to find me
> via my HLR instead?
> Would this happen often enough for it to be a worthwhile optimisation?
> Graham
http://www.mobileshop.org/howitworks/roaming.htm
------------------------------
From: Pete Romfh <promfhTAKE@OUThal-pc.org.invalid>
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Christian Telco in Gay Smear Allegations
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:07:42 -0500
Organization: Not Organized
TELECOM Digest Editor noted in response to Lisa Minter:
> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Neither Lisa nor myself
> could find where the .wav files (indicated by 'here' and
> 'here' above) went to. If you are reading the text-based
> mailing list of this Digest, you may wish to look up the
> web site for the (British) Inquirer, read the article and
> see if you can locate the missing .wav files. It should
> make good listening.
Here's the link to that audio file. It's hilarious.
Pete Romfh, Telecom Geek & Amateur Gourmet.
promfh at hal dash pc dot org
[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: _Where_ is the link, Pete? That's
the same thing that Lisa got; copy the file out and nothing is
there. 'Here' just turns out to be a blank space. In the next
message, Linc Madison did his homework and entered the URL manually,
so it could not get away. PAT]
------------------------------
Subject: Re: Last Laugh! Christian Telco in Gay Smear Allegations
Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:04:02 -0700
From: Linc Madison <lincmad@suespammers.org>
Reply-To: lincmad@suespammers.org
Organization: California resident; nospam; no unsolicited e-mail allowed
In article <telecom24.211.15@telecom-digest.org>, Lisa Minter
<lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Unholy marketing department
> By Nick Farrell: Thursday 12 May 2005, 10:28
> A CHRISTIAN TELCO in Oklahoma, has been drumming up business by
> smearing its rivals on moral affairs.
The original article, with links intact, can be found here:
<http://theinquirer.net/?article=23148>
The MP3 files mentioned in the article can be found here:
<http://www.eugenemirman.com/Phone_Company.mp3>
<http://www.eugenemirman.com/Anti_Gay_Phone_Company_II.mp3>
I think this one is good fodder for my new blog, "The Third Path,"
http://3rdpath.blogspot.com . I'll be discussing politics, the media,
and, yes, occasionally even telecom ...
Linc Madison * San Francisco, California * lincmad@suespammers.org
<http://www.LincMad.com> * primary e-mail: Telecom at LincMad dot com
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[TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: Thank you for going to that effort,
Linc. And, good luck with your new blog. I hope you are around with
it many years from now. PAT]
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