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TELECOM Digest Wed, 27 Apr 2005 19:25:00 EDT Volume 24 : Issue 185 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Some Fear Law Would Create National ID Card (Monty Solomon) Change is in the Air for Boston Radio (Monty Solomon) Do You Know Where Your Identity Has Been? (Monty Solomon) ID Theft Alleged at D.C. Blockbuster (Monty Solomon) End of Analog TV / Will America's Favorite Technology Really (M Solomon) Podcasting (Lisa Minter) When the Blogger Blogs, Can the Employer Intervene? (Monty Solomon) SAR Ratings For Cell Phones - Where? (woodboat@gmail.com) Microsoft to Add 'Black Box' to Windows (Lisa Minter) Apple Retaliates Over Jobs Biography (Lisa Minter) Telstra Trials Hotspot Wholesale - AustralianIT.com.au Report (L Minter) Nortel Advances on U.S. Security Market (Lisa Minter) Juniper Buys Two Corporate Networking Startups (Telecom dailyLead USTA) Vocal Launches VOIP Adapter Design (Jack Decker) Sipura's CEO Strikes Gold - Again (Jack Decker) Re: Lingo (Primus Telecommunications) Horror Story (Ed) VoIP (Choreboy) Re: International DID Supply (Dan Turin) Re: Politics in Telecom (hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com) Re: Main Web Site Hackers Are Schoolboys, Watchdog Says (Lisa Hancock) Re: 10base-T & POTS in Same Cat-5 Cable? (GlowingBlueMist) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. 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Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:09:55 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Some Fear Law Would Create National ID Card By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff WASHINGTON -- Congress is poised to pass a law that would make sweeping changes to the nation's system for issuing driver's licenses by imposing stringent requirements on states to verify the authenticity of birth certificates, Social Security cards, legal residency visas, and bank and utility records used to obtain a license. House Republicans attached the bill to a must-pass supplemental spending package for troops in Iraq without first putting it through the usual legislative scrutiny of hearings and debate. Should it emerge intact from House-Senate negotiations over the spending package, it could be law next month. Touted as an antiterrorism measure, the "Real ID Act" would also overturn laws in nine states that allow illegal immigrants to obtain driver's licenses. If a state does not comply with any provision of the law, its residents would no longer be able to use their driver's licenses for federal identification purposes, such as for boarding a plane. The law, some say, would effectively turn the new driver's license into a national identification card. Its chief champion, House Judiciary Chairman James Sensenbrenner, Republican of Wisconsin, says the measure would help prevent terrorists from fraudulently gaining official documents that would allow them to enter the country and move freely. Another set of provisions would significantly raise the standard of proof that asylum applicants must meet when claiming that they have been persecuted on ethnic, religious, or political grounds. It would also grant greater discretion to Homeland Security officials to reject asylum seekers and curtail the ability of appeals courts to issue stays of deportation orders and review rejected cases. Terrorists have "used almost every conceivable means of entering the country," Sensenbrenner said in a statement provided by an aide. "They have come as students, tourists, and business visitors. They have also been [legal permanent residents] and naturalized US citizens. They have snuck across the border illegally, arrived as stowaways on ships, used false passports, and have been granted amnesty. Terrorists have even used America's humanitarian tradition of welcoming those seeking asylum. We must plug these gaps." But many critics of the Real ID Act say that it goes too far and that its language is riddled with problems that might have been corrected through the normal legislative review process. http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/04/26/some_fear_law_would_crate_national_id_card/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 23:44:09 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Change is in the Air For Boston Radio By Clea Simon, Globe Correspondent | April 21, 2005 In the old days -- two months ago -- listeners knew what to expect. You could turn on 'Mix' WBMX-FM (98.5) for fun new pop by Rob Thomas or Green Day and get the occasional nostalgic Bon Jovi tune mixed in. WBOS-FM (92.9) played it mellow but fresh, with the latest adult rock from Los Lonely Boys or the Wallflowers. And 'Star' WQSX-FM (93.7) was dance music old and new: Donna Summer meets Salt-N-Pepa. Then, suddenly, they all started sounding a little similar and a little strange. Rock tunes ran into hip-hop, a current top hit segued into a '70s throwback. DJs were muted, if there at all, and everyone was advertising the playlist was wide open. Are the playlists -- the formatting -- really gone? Not exactly. Boston radio may be putting more tunes into rotation, but they'll probably be tunes you already know. Because Boston, to varying degrees, is going 'Jack' -- a hot new radio format designed to win back listeners and snare a bigger piece of an ever-diminishing pie. What is 'Jack'? Put simply, it's a format that abandons the conventional wisdom that listeners respond to song repetition and station self-promotion. Instead, it substitutes a broad playlist of familiar hits that cross musical genres and programs them with virtually no talk. http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/articles/2005/04/21/change_is_in_the_air_for_boston_radio/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:46:28 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: Do You Know Where Your Identity Has Been? To ensure that their personal information isn't hijacked, consumers need to protect themselves. Here are some tips to help keep your data out of the wrong hands. By Hiawatha Bray, Globe Staff | April 24, 2005 "Who steals my purse steals trash," wrote William Shakespeare in 'Othello.' These days it's the other way around. Steal somebody's trash, dig out his old credit card bills and tax documents, and you're well on the way to emptying his purse, and making his existence a living hell. It's called identity theft. Real money is at stake, and lots of it -- more than $50 billion, according to the Federal Trade Commission. As always, crooks go where the money is, and where the pickings are easy. Information about people -- from Social Security numbers to computer passwords -- is all too easy to get, thanks to careless consumers and businesses. The recent rash of security breaches at data centers makes many realize it's a bad problem -- though not as bad as we sometimes think. According to TowerGroup, a Needham consulting firm, most of the estimated 10 million cases of identity theft cited in 2002 were standard credit card and check forgery scams. Fewer than 200,000 were serious attempts to duplicate someone else's identity, in an effort to get new credit cards, drivers licenses, or passports. Still, that's more than enough to worry about, especially considering the immense impact of these crimes. Victims are often presumed guilty and must spend lots of hours and dollars to prove their innocence and clear their records. State and federal lawmakers are rolling out legislation to toughen the penalties for identity theft and to force companies to lock down their customers' private data. Better laws might help, but only to a point. We've got to protect ourselves. http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2005/04/24/do_you_know_where_your_identity_has_been/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:00:52 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: ID Theft Alleged at D.C. Blockbuster Ex-Worker Accused of Taking Customer Data, Spending $117,000 By Carol D. Leonnig Washington Post Staff Writer A former employee of the Blockbuster video store in Dupont Circle has been indicted on charges of stealing customers' identities, then using them to buy more than $117,000 in trips, electronics and other goods, including a Mercedes-Benz. A grand jury charged that Miles N. Holloman stole credit card numbers, Social Security numbers and other private financial information from the application files of 65 customers of the Blockbuster store in 2003, then used some of that data to open retail store and credit card accounts. According to the indictment, which was unsealed yesterday, Holloman, 25, repeatedly succeeded in pretending to be other people. Prosecutors say he allegedly ran up major expenses by tapping the credit of at least five people. In one case, they say, Holloman obtained a replacement credit card in one male customer's name, then used that credit card to buy a used 2002 Mercedes and to obtain a D.C. driver's license that bore the customer's name but Holloman's picture. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/25/AR2005042501411.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 02:23:27 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: The End of Analog TV The end of analog TV Will America's favorite technology really go dark next year? By Michael Rogers Columnist Special to MSNBC Depending on the outcome of discussions in Congress, television as we know it may end at exactly midnight Dec. 31, 2006. That's the date Congress targeted, a decade ago, for the end of analog television broadcasting and a full cutover to a digital format. If enforced, that means that overnight, somewhere around 70 million television sets now connected to rabbit ears or roof-top antennas will suddenly and forever go blank, unless their owners purchase a special converter box. Back when the legislation was written, New Year's Eve 2006 probably looked as safely distant as the dark side of the moon. But now that date is right around the corner and Congress and the FCC are struggling mightily to figure out what to do. Congress, however, left itself a loophole in the 1996 legislation, and could actually let the cut-off date slide by. But powerful lobbyists now are pressing legislators to set a "date certain" for the analog lights-out. The debate over when to throw the switch is a strange brew of big money, high technology, homeland security and a single, unanswerable question: just how angry are the couch potatoes going to be? It's also a textbook example of why the future almost never happens as fast as technologists promise. It all started back in the Eighties, when the Japanese shocked American consumer electronics companies with trade-show displays of high definition television sets that delivered razor-sharp images and stunning audio. Everyone from Congress to the Wall Street Journal raised outcries: America's favorite technology was being taken over by the then-fearsome Japan Inc. As a result, a group of American companies formed the "Grand Alliance" that leapfrogged the Japanese technology by inventing digital HDTV. Thus, early on, HDTV invoked not just pretty pictures, but national pride and economic development. (Ironically, Zenith, the most all-American commercial participant in the Grand Alliance, is now South Korean-owned.) One drawback to the U.S. version of HDTV was that to make it work, all broadcast television (not just high-definition) would have to convert to digital, meaning that every American television set manufactured since 1946 would be rendered obsolete. To ease the transition, Congress generously gave all television broadcasters additional channel space so that they could keep broadcasting their analog signals while they installed and launched their digital channels. The deal was that they would give up their old channels when the transition was done. That part worked: Over 1400 broadcasters now transmit in digital as well as analog, reaching 99 percent of the U.S. television market. During the same period consumers were supposed to buy digital television receivers. That part didn't work. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7593620/ ------------------------------ From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Podcasting Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:17:36 -0400 Have you given any thought to Podcasting? Here is a free download of iPodder software if you are interested in it. http://cbs5.com/techtuesday/local_story_094145759.html Free iPodder Download:<br /><a href="http://www.download.com/3000-2182-10368846.html">www.download.com/3000-2182-10368846.html</a><br /> To read a bit more on the topic, and the rest of the story go to: http://cbs5.com/techtuesday/local_story_094145759.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:49:03 -0400 From: Monty Solomon <monty@roscom.com> Subject: When the Blogger Blogs, Can the Employer Intervene? By TOM ZELLER Jr. There are about 10 million blogs out there, give or take, including one belonging to Niall Kennedy, an employee at Technorati, a small San Francisco-based company that, yes, tracks blogs. Like many employees at many companies, Mr. Kennedy has opinions, even when he is not working. One evening last month, he channeled one of those off-duty opinions into a satiric bit of artwork -- an appropriation of a "loose lips sink ships" World War II-era propaganda poster altered to provide a harsh comment on the growing fears among corporations over the blogging activities of their employees. He then posted it on his personal Web log. But in a paradoxical turn, Mr. Kennedy's employer, having received some complaints about the artwork, stepped in and asked him to reconsider the posting and Mr. Kennedy complied, taking the image down. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/18/technology/18blog.html?ex=1271476800&en=1119577e37c30918&ei=5090 NOTE: To read the New York Times on line each day with no login or registration requirements, go to: http://telecom-digest.org/td-extra/nytimes.html You'll also find the Christian Science Monitor and audio from NPR at that location. ------------------------------ From: woodboat@gmail.com Subject: SAR Ratings For Cell Phones - Where ? Date: 26 Apr 2005 20:02:02 -0700 Organization: http://groups.google.com Where on the internet can SAR ratings be found for cell phones, esp. Nokia Motorola ? "rfhealth@motorola.com" emailed back to say try this website but it just goes to a page with a general-purpose description of SAR information and a statement that "all motorola phones comply". I found some European or Malaysian websites which didn't have the current US models but otherwise looked useful. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:19:53 PDT From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Microsoft to Add 'Black Box' to Windows By Ina Fried Redmond will add the equivalent of a flight data recorder to PCs. Such detailed information could rankle privacy advocates. http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+add+black+box+to+Windows/2100-1016_3-5684051.html?tag=sas.email Read all technology news from this week: http://www.news.com/thisweeksheadlines/ Copyright 2004 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved. CNET Networks, Inc. 235 Second Street San Francisco, CA 94105 U.S.A. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: This 'black box' is intended to provide Microsoft with the six or seven things you had done prior to having a crash on your Windows OS. That may or may not be something desirable for users. PAT] ------------------------------ Date: 26 Apr 2005 21:59:16 -0700 From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Apple Retaliates Over Jobs Biography It appears Apple and Steve Jobs got very annoyed by something which was published about him in the new biography which was written. As a result, not only are some Apple-controlled bookstores _not_ selling the book, but they have dropped _everything_ published by Wiley. http://beta.news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050427/ap_on_bi_ge/book_of_jobs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:04:42 EST From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Telstra Trials Hotspot Wholesale - AustralianIT.com.au Report by Andrew Colley, April 27, 2005 TELSTRA is conducting a trial that could see its WiFi hotspots opened to its wholesale internet customers. http://www.australianit.com.au/articles/0,7204,15101545%5E15306%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:06:19 PDT From: Lisa Minter <lisa_minter2001@yahoo.com> Subject: Nortel Advances on U.S. Security Market An interesting update on Nortel here in the USA. http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=706230 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:00:21 EDT From: Telecom dailyLead from USTA <usta@dailylead.com> Subject: Juniper Buys Two Corporate Networking Startups Telecom dailyLead from USTA April 27, 2005 http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=21149&l=2017006 TODAY'S HEADLINES NEWS OF THE DAY * Juniper buys two corporate networking startups BUSINESS & INDUSTRY WATCH * Verizon, Showtime sign carriage deal * T-Mobile site lets users map service quality * Report: Mobile data revenue poised for growth * Verizon, Level 3 report earnings USTA SPOTLIGHT * Telecom Engineering Conference at SUPERCOMM: Register Today EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES * TBS to launch broadband game network REGULATORY & LEGISLATIVE * Deloitte & Touche to pay $50 million in Adelphia fraud case * FCC holds firm on VoIP strategy Follow the link below to read quick summaries of these stories and others. http://www.dailylead.com/latestIssue.jsp?i=21149&l=2017006 ------------------------------ From: Jack Decker <jack-yahoogroups@withheld_on_request> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 15:26:12 -0400 Subject: Vocal Launches VOIP Adapter Design http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?site=lightreading&doc_id=72872 BUFFALO, N.Y. -- VOCAL Technologies Ltd., a developer of integrated software and silicon solutions, announced today the release of their new Analog Telephone Adapter (ATA) reference design, which allows for enhanced VOIP performance and telephone functionality. ATA's designed to the new specifications would be able to communicate with remote standard telephones located up to 1000 feet away over standard existing telephone wiring without disrupting existing services. With the addition of just over $3 of hardware and downloadable software modules, the, standard VOIP telephone service can be enhanced to provide class 5 switch services, such as multiple incoming lines, conferencing, internal dialing, distinctive ringing, and a host of other services. This would results in a Bill of Material cost of close to $22 for a standard 2 by 2 (2 LAN ports, 2 telephone ports) ATA. Full story at: http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?site=lightreading&doc_id=72872 How to Distribute VoIP Throughout a Home: http://michigantelephone.mi.org/distribute.html If you live in Michigan, subscribe to the MI-Telecom group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MI-Telecom/ ------------------------------ From: Jack Decker <jack-yahoogroups@withheld_on_request> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 13:00:17 -0400 Subject: Sipura's CEO Strikes Gold - Again http://voxilla.com/voxstory159.html By CAROLYN SCHUK for VOXILLA.COM Cisco Systems announcement that it's buying privately-held Sipura Technology Inc. for its Linksys division shouldn't be too surprising. This is the second company serial entrepreneur Jan Fandrianto has sold to the networking giant. His previous start-up company, Komodo Technology, which developed the first low cost VoIP analog telephone adaptor, was acquired by Cisco in 2000. Fandrianto's technology became the basis of Cisco's ATA-186 product line, which became the de-facto standard for VoIP equipment and is largely credited as the single device that helped propel IP telephony in the consumer sphere. Full story at: http://voxilla.com/voxstory159.html ------------------------------ From: Ed <poepauv@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Lingo (Primus Telecommunications) Horror Story Date: 26 Apr 2005 18:05:01 -0700 Hi Ginger, Thanks so much! You have put my mind at ease. I'm in the State of Maine. I suspect that the laws here are similar to Massachussetts. Your post prompted me to look at the following page available on the Internet at the Maine Attorney General's office: http://www.state.me.us/ag/index.php?r=clg&s=chap12 One of my rights that I was intrigued by is the right to a prompt delivery. Looks like I'm well within the limit since my order was on August 13 and I've received no equipment ever in 8 months (and would be horrified if they sent it now -- I don't want it!). Another thing that intriqued me was the right to sue in small claims court for an order over the Internet. I foolishly believed that I would have to take a day trip to Delaware (a possibility) because Primus is incorporated there for business in the US. Looks like it can all be done through the Maine courts if I understand correctly. In any case, I have no plan to sue anyone over anything. It's a just-in-case if they were to keep harassing me. I say this because I've been promised that they would stop billing me so many times without result. These bills just keep on coming! The last invoice, according to the Final Notice Prior to Placement with a Collection Service (actual title in bold at top of letter), is 02/28/2005 with a due date of 03/30/2005. So, they've been billing me all along in spite of numerous numerous phone calls to try to resolve this. I can't understand why they would bill my credit card (for real) 4 different times plus try but fail on other occasions and still not investigate. Doesn't it mean anything to Primus Telecommunications when a credit card company reverses charges (as my credit card company did all 4 times)? Maybe they have their side of the story but I just can't understand it from where I sit. Why didn't they bother to look to see if they had sent equipment instead of wasting all that postage mailing letters and all that time talking to me on the phone? It costs them money to make mistakes like this. Surely they must realize this. I don't get it. I just can't understand what these people were thinking. Ed ------------------------------ From: Choreboy <choreboyREMOVE@localnet.com> Subject: VoIP Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 01:56:40 -0400 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com For several months I've been getting calls with spoofed Caller IDs. I understand spoofing requires either VoIP or a PBX system with DSL. Can anybody with cable internet access and suitable software make VoIP calls? The other day I received a wrong-number call from an exchange belonging to Level 3 Communications. Among other services, they offer residential VoIP services through wholesalers such as ISPs and cable operators. I'm confused. Does a consumer need these services to use VoIP? [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: I don't think either 'VOIP' or 'PBX system' have anything to do with it. If I understand correctly what I have read here in the Digest, it requires a 'PRI' type thing; that is, a multi-channel set of lines going to DID, or Direct Inward Dialing, which would, I guess, be similar to a PBX arrangement. Companies who have those lines _can_ set the caller ID to be whatever is appropriate in their instance. I suspect the fact that the ID shown was that company may have been just coincidental. You do need either cable internet or DSL to use VOIP; regular 'dialup' lines are just not wide enough or fast enough to do VOIP. But other than having DSL or cable, VOIP takes nothing especially fancy; just an adapter box from the place where you get the VOIP service and any regular telephone instrument will do the job. And if you planned on totally getting rid of your landline phone taking VOIP instead, that is generally not possible with DSL, since most telcos will not give stand-alone DSL. PAT] ------------------------------ From: Dan Turin <turin@ggaweb.ch> Subject: International DID Supply Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:02:44 +0200 Hello Peter, I saw your post about having European DIDs available and wonder what the terms are. I have a small VoIP service here in Switzerland and am looking for as wide an array of international numbers as I can get. If you don't have numbers outside of Europe, do you know of another source? Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, Dan Turin Dear group, > We have DID's available mainly from Europe. Other countries are > being added. > Calls will be forwarded to your softswitch via SIP or H.323. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com Subject: Re: Politics in Telecom Date: 27 Apr 2005 09:39:53 -0700 Steve Sobol wrote: > This particular perk happened to be different. It was supposed to be > available to anyone. The New Deal social programs were supposed to be available to anyone. But in many places throughout the country it sure helped to be a loyal Democrat, especially if you wanted a job helping to administer such programs. ------------------------------ From: hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com Subject: Re: Main Web Site Hackers Are Schoolboys, Watchdog Says Date: 27 Apr 2005 09:52:10 -0700 Lisa Minter wrote: > LONDON (Reuters) - Attacks on company and government Internet sites > spike during school holidays when the main culprits -- schoolboys -- > spend time in front of their computers rather than in the classroom. This doesn't surprise me in the least. Kids were doing it in a crude way back when I was in high school. (They would get into time sharing systems, figure out ways to crash them or access executive accounts and create accounts for themselves). The question is what is to be done about it. What troubles me is that when news like this is posted everyone here ignores it. There are a lot of network techies on this newsgroup and like it or not, as such they have a responsibility to at least think about these things in a global sense, not just to protect their own tiny piece of the kingdom. Automated routines that constantly send out test-inquiry signals put a lot of wasted traffic on the Internet as well as waste computer time of recipients. Owners of personal networks tell me even their firewalls report constant attempts to breach. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: We had some excitement today here on the CableOne system. Around 1 PM some damn fool customer 'gave birth' to a 'worm', thinking it would shut things down. Well, it did. About five minutes after he released the worm, CableOne gave a loud and boisterous 'hiccough'. The tech support center cleaned it up pretty fast, but a large number of their customers (including myself) got bumped in the process. All we could get was the 'registration page' which is always offered up when a new piece of equipment is put on someone's personal network (such as a router, etc). And, clicking on the 'registration page' returned a message saying 'registration is not available right now, try in a few minutes'. All of us who were affected had to reboot our entire systems, the cable modem of course, the routers and whatever. I guess CableOne identified who the moron customer was who did it and gave him much hell. I first discovered I was down when the local CableOne office here in town called me and said "the techs do not know what is going on just yet, but _everyone_ is getting that registration page and can't go further than that. We will call you back as soon as we get word." About five or ten minutes later, she called again and said to close it all down, reboot it and try again. I did, and all was fine. I wanted to know a bit more, of course, so I called the Phoenix tech support center. (Due to the commotions the hold time was about 20 minutes, which is quite unusual.) The techs told me about the 'hiccough' and said they were encouraging everyone to make certain they had the latest firewall and anti-malware stuff installed. PAT] ------------------------------ From: GlowingBlueMist <nobody@invalid.com> Subject: Re: 10base-T & POTS in same Cat-5 cable? Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2005 12:35:45 -0500 Organization: SunSITE.dk - Supporting Open source DaveC <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:0001HW.BE9508D6000D9A6AF04075B0@news.sonic.net: > Is it acceptable to use 1 pair in a Cat-5 cable for POTS when 2 pair > are being used for 10base-T? Wondering about cross-talk, etc., > introducing noise between these two. > Thanks, > Please, no "Go Google this" replies. 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