From editor@telecom-digest.org Wed Dec 1 14:22:59 2004 Received: (from ptownson@localhost) by massis.lcs.mit.edu (8.11.6p3/8.11.6) id iB1JMwM26510; Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:22:59 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:22:59 -0500 (EST) From: editor@telecom-digest.org Message-Id: <200412011922.iB1JMwM26510@massis.lcs.mit.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: massis.lcs.mit.edu: ptownson set sender to editor@telecom-digest.org using -f To: ptownson Approved: patsnewlist Subject: TELECOM Digest V23 #575 TELECOM Digest Wed, 1 Dec 2004 14:22:00 EST Volume 23 : Issue 575 Inside This Issue: Editor: Patrick A. Townson Lycos Offers Spam-Server Attack Program (Lisa Minter) Professional Data Recovery Book (Tarun Tyagi) Ohio Lawmakers OK Bill That Sends Spammers to Jail (Lisa Minter) Internet Society Announces New Board Members (Internet Society) Cell Tower Shared Facility Agreements (John R Levine) 24-Hour Accurate Reverse Telephone Lookup Web Service (S Rockbridge) AuJoe Introduces Pay per Call Live Answering (Manuj Goyal) Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights (Minter) Re: Can't find Linksys IP (Rick Merrill) Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution - Vonage or Packet8 (Ringo Langly) Re: Data Communication Versus Telecommunications (Tom Niesen) Re: Trial Shows How Spammers Operate (T. Sean Weintz) Spam Gets Religion (TELECOM Digest Editor) Telecom and VOIP (Voice over Internet Protocol) Digest for the Internet. All contents here are copyrighted by Patrick Townson and the individual writers/correspondents. Articles may be used in other journals or newsgroups, provided the writer's name and the Digest are included in the fair use quote. By using -any name or email address- included herein for -any- reason other than responding to an article herein, you agree to pay a hundred dollars to the recipients of the email. =========================== Addresses herein are not to be added to any mailing list, nor to be sold or given away without explicit written consent. Chain letters, viruses, porn, spam, and miscellaneous junk are definitely unwelcome. We must fight spam for the same reason we fight crime: not because we are naive enough to believe that we will ever stamp it out, but because we do not want the kind of world that results when no one stands against crime. Geoffrey Welsh =========================== See the bottom of this issue for subscription and archive details and the name of our lawyer; other stuff of interest. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Lisa Minter Subject: Lycos Offers Spam-Server Attack Program Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 11:47:38 EST MADRID, Spain - At the risk of breaching Internet civility, a European Web portal is offering its visitors a weapon against spam: a screensaver program that tries to choke spam servers by flooding them with junk traffic. As of Tuesday, about 65,000 people have signed up for the controversial tool from the German-based Lycos Europe, whose sites get 20 million users monthly. The company insists the technique is legal; it says the culprit servers are simply choked a bit, not completely asphyxiated; and dismissed concerns that its "Make Love not Spam" offensive can further clog the world's digital pipeline. Still, computer experts are worried. "You don't stop a bad thing by being bad yourself," said David Farber, former chief technologist at the U.S. Federal Communications Commission sites. "The idea of somebody coming and hitting you and you hitting back, you both end up very hurt. It just aggrevates an already serious problem." When a computer with the free Lycos screensaver is idle, the program sends junk commands to Web sites identified by Lycos as selling products pitched in spam. When done in masse, this eats up precious bandwidth, causing the sites to overload and slow down. The goal, said Lycos Europe spokesman Kay Oberbeck, is to "show the owners of such spam Web sites that there is massive interest of thousands of users who are not willing to just give up against more and more spam each day." The targets generally are not the servers used to do the actual mailings; these days, those servers are most often legitimate ones co-opted into spamming by viruses and worms. Lycos chooses its targets by reviewing lists of suspect sites identified by independent spam monitors such as SpamCop. The company said it checks each manually to make sure it genuinely carries products promoted by spam, though Oberbeck acknowledged the risk of going after a legitimate site that has been hijacked by a spam-spewing site. He said Lycos takes care not to crash spam servers altogether, ensuring that they will never go below 5 percent bandwidth. Thus, he said, the offensive isn't the same as denial-of-service attacks commonly used by hackers to incapacitate Web sites. Cyberspace activism such as virtual sit-ins in which computer users gang together and use automated tools to flood a Web site is not entirely new, said Dorothy Denning, a professor of defense analysis at the Navy Postgraduate School in Monterey, Calif. But in this case a for-profit company is the driving force. "The interesting question is whether or not that company might be liable under some law, and would probably be liable, certainly, at least under a lawsuit by the spammers," she said. Denning believes any impact on spamming will be minor at best. Though spam sites have to pay for bandwidth required for the extra traffic, she said, "the cost off adding extra bandwidth may be worth the reward that comes from spamming." *** FAIR USE NOTICE. This message contains copyrighted material the use of which has not been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. This Internet discussion group is making it available without profit to group members who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information in their efforts to advance the understanding of literary, educational, political, and economic issues, for non-profit research and educational purposes only. 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Bob Taft on Tuesday, with the aim of joining other U.S. states that have laws that put people who flood the Web with junk e-mail behind bars. The bill, first introduced in January and already approved by the state Senate, overwhelmingly passed the Ohio House of Representatives on Tuesday, said an aide to Rep. Kathleen Walcher, who co-sponsored the bill. Taft could not be immediately reached for comment. One industry source said the Ohio governor is expected to sign the bipartisan anti-spam bill. If signed into law, it would outlaw Internet ads that are deceptive or misleading and ban people from setting up false accounts to send spam, the junk e-mail that clogs consumers' online mailboxes and taxes the resources of Internet service providers. The measure would also allow the state attorney general to impose criminal and civil sanctions against spammers. The worst violators could face a minimum of six months in jail as well as fines of $25,000 per violation, or $2 to $8 million per conviction for violating e-mail. Their computer equipment could be confiscated, and Internet providers could sue for damages. AOL spokesman Nicholas Graham called the Ohio bill "one of the strongest anti-spam measures in the country." Graham said the bill is aimed only at the worst offenders who use fraud, deception and evasion to get their messages in front of consumers. "This is not meant to snag grandma sending her oatmeal cookie recipe," he said. AOL, a unit of Time Warner Inc. said it worked closely with the bill's sponsors. The Ohio bill was modeled after the federal CAN-SPAM Act but adds tougher penalties. Maryland has adopted an anti-spam law with criminal penalties and Virginia recently used its state law to send a North Carolina man to prison for sending hundreds of thousands of spam e-mail messages. ------------------------------ From: Internet Society Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 09:51:03 +0100 Subject: Internet Society Announces New Board Members Internet Society Announces New Board Members for Public Interest Registry Reston, VA - 29th November 2004 - The Internet Society (ISOC) today announced the selection and approval of three board members for the Public Interest Registry (PIR). Following expiry of her current term on the PIR board, Eva Frelich returns for a further three years. Susan Estrada and Barbara Fraser were elected to replace outgoing board members Frode Greisen and Kenny Huang, also for three year terms. "These appointments further strengthen PIR's unique position as the only registry dedicated to supporting the global noncommercial community," said Fred Baker, Chairman of the Board of Trustees of the Internet Society. Eva Frelich has a depth of experience in International forums including ITU, ETSI, ICANN, and CENTR. From 1998 to 2001 Eva acted as a Board Member for CENTR. In addition, Eva has worked for the incumbent Swedish Telecommunications Company Telia, NIC-SE the registry for the Swedish tld .se, and Neustar, the registry for .biz and .us. Susan Estrada, president of Aldea Communications, is the director of CENIC's One Gigabit or Bust Initiative. She is responsible for bringing together the interests of research, education, commerce, state and local government and the general public to develop an action plan for delivery of one gigabit broadband capabilities to every educational institution, business and home in California by 2010. She was also a founder of the Commercial Internet Exchange (CIX), a former area director for the Internet Engineering Software Group (IESG) and the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Barbara Fraser is currently the Manager of the Security and Integrity Consulting Engineering Group for Cisco Systems, Inc. Her current activities and interests include improving IPsec protocols. She participates in Cisco's IPsec Steering Group, and is also an advisor to Cisco's product security incident response team (PSIRT). Barbara has a long experience as an active member of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Susan Estrada and Barbara Fraser are both former Trustees of the Internet Society. "I am delighted that Eva Frelich will continue her excellent work for PIR," said Lynn St. Amour, President and CEO of the Internet Society. "I also very much look forward to welcoming Susan and Barbara to the PIR Board - their extensive experience of supporting public interest initiatives will be of immense benefit to us as we plan PIR's future development." PIR is a not-for-profit organization that was created by ISOC to manage the .ORG top-level domain in an exemplary manner. PIR, which has a partnership with Ireland-based Afilias Ltd. to perform all technical services, is charged with overall responsibility for the .ORG registry and focuses particularly on the establishment of policies that support the .ORG community and help the domain name space evolve responsibly. Surpluses generated by PIR's .ORG domain registration revenues are allocated to the sponsorship of ISOC-managed public interest programs. The 2005 PIR Board consists of the following members: - Marc Rotenberg - Chairman - Amadeu Abril i Abril - Eva Frelich - Susan Estrada - Barbara Fraser - Geoff Huston - Glenn Ricart - Lynn St. Amour - Ex-officio ISOC liaison ABOUT ISOC The Internet Society (www.isoc.org) is a not-for-profit membership organization founded in 1991 to provide leadership in Internet related standards, education, and policy. With offices in Washington, DC, and Geneva, Switzerland, it is dedicated to ensuring the open development, evolution and use of the Internet for the benefit of people throughout the world. ISOC is the organizational home of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) and other Internet-related bodies who together play a critical role in ensuring that the Internet develops in a stable and open manner. For over 13 years ISOC has run international network training programs for developing countries and these have played a vital role in setting up the Internet connections and networks in virtually every country connecting to the Internet during this time. ABOUT PIR Public Interest Registry (www.pir.org) is a not-for-profit corporation created by the Internet Society (ISOC) to manage the .ORG top-level domain. PIR's mission is to manage the .ORG domain in a manner that supports the continuing evolution of the Internet as a research, education and communications infrastructure, while educating and empowering the non-commercial community to most effectively utilize the Internet. PIR is based in Reston, Virginia. FOR FURTHER DETAILS: Internet Society: www.isoc.org Peter Godwin Communications Manager E-mail: godwin@isoc.org Internet Society 4, rue des Falaises 1205 Geneva Switzerland ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 2004 02:43:28 -0500 From: John R Levine Subject: Cellt Tower Shared Facility Agreements We're building a new water tower on top of which will be at least three and possibly as many as six wireless carrier antennas. Rather than have a ghetto of outbuildings, I'd rather put all their stuff into one larger building. They're OK with that, but we need to formalize the agreement. I'm looking for agreements about shared buildings in connection with cell towers. We have the tower leases, what we need is an add-on for shared buildings laying out the responsibility for maintenance, insurance, etc. All leads welcome. Agreements where the landlord is a municipality are particularly welcome. TIA and all that. Regards, John Levine johnl@iecc.com Primary Perpetrator of The Internet for Dummies, Information Superhighwayman wanna-be, http://iecc.com/johnl, Mayor "I dropped the toothpaste", said Tom, crestfallenly. ------------------------------ From: rockbridge@gmail.com (Sterling Rockbridge) Subject: 24-Hour Accurate Reverse Telephone Lookup Web Service Date: 1 Dec 2004 06:16:50 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com StrikeIron is offering a SOAP and REST based Web service that does live reverse telephone lookup that is accurate up to 24 hours, not a year old like some of the sites I've tried this on. Because it is a WSDL-based Web service, it can be built into applications and scripts. I believe they can go the other way too, from name/company and/or address to retrieving the phone number live again with 24 hours accuracy (live feed from phone companies) Any one try it? http://www.strikeiron.com/Search.aspx?SearchString=reverse%20phone%20lookup ------------------------------ From: Manuj Goyal Subject: Aujoe Introduces Pay-Per-Call Pricing for Live Phone Answering Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:00:00 EST Contact Name: Manuj Goyal, Front Office USA LLC Contact Phone: 212-300-0000 Web Address: http://www.aujoe.com/ Wilmington, DE - November 30, 2004 Aujoes Pay-Per-Call (PPC) pricing for Live Telephone Answering and Call Center Services will radically improve Telephone Support Services for Small To Mid Size Companies. Aujoe Answering Services, brought forth by Front Office USA LLC, is managed by a team that collectively has decades of experience with Telecom Technology, managing Call Centers and delivering Customer Service. The unique PPC pricing plans were formulated to offer a simpler and friendlier service for SMEs. Small Business, Contractors, Health Care providers use Telephone Answering Services for different business needs from Message Taking and Remote Receptionist to Order Taking, Service Dispatch, Enquiry Logging or Trouble Ticket Issuing functions. These businesses cannot afford a full time dedicated staff for such job functions and since these functions are carried out on a telephone; they are traditionally outsourced to an Answering Service. While traditional answering service providers want subscribers to enter into a commitment with them and ask for monthly call volume, the types of calls they get and the traffic hours; Aujoe Answering Service has introduced a unique pre-paid model, without any contract commitments and a transparent 'pay per call' pricing. Aujoe offers plans where its subscribers get a price break on increasing call volume. The PPC pricing has been achieved by Aujoe by creation of defined call center handling processes for each business service and by automation of the entire signup and setup process thereby achieving significant efficiencies of scale and process management. The unique pricing model and the process driven call center services will help small and mid-size companies to service their customers more professionally and efficiently. Aujoe Answering Services brings the advantages of large outsourced call center services, typically enjoyed by Fortune 500 companies to the SMEs for the first time. By creating simpler, friendlier services and plans, Aujoe is saving its subscribers thousands of dollars every year while giving them access to the best in class practices developed and practiced by large call outsourcing companies. About Front Office USA LLC Front Office USA is a provider of global 'Contact Management Services'. Front Office USA offers world-class teleservices that empower its subscribers to work more effectively and productively. All this can be achieved at significantly lower costs as compared to similar businesses still mired in traditional management methods, technologies and delivery models. Readers may learn more about Aujoe Answering Service through the website: http://www.aujoe.com/ For more information or an interview, please contact Manuj Goyal, VP, Sales at mediarelations@frontofficeusa.com or call 212-300-0000. ------------------------------ From: Lisa Minter Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 12:01:43 -0500 Subject: Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights Jack Decker Comment: I am no longer actively monitoring VoIP news per se, but this came up in my search of SBC-related news for the MI-Telecom group, hence the crosspost. This does NOT mean that the VoIP News has been reactivated, just that those who did not unsubscribe may receive a *very occasional* crosspost like this one, since it only takes me about two seconds to add an additional recipient. http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/11-30-2004/0002555213&STORY&EDATE= Internet Innovation Alliance: SBC's TipTOP Service Highlights Need for FCC Intervention WASHINGTON, Nov. 30 /PRNewswire/ -- The SBC was recently admonished in a strongly worded statement by FCC Chairman Powell for its efforts to charge Voice-over Internet Protocol (VoIP) providers higher access fees. SBC has been overly aggressive in state regulatory battles and has been acting in a manner inconsistent with statements made by the FCC on the issue of VoIP and emerging technologies. Chairman Michael Powell has made it clear publicly that he is committed to ensuring that the FCC avoid any action that might slow the "IP-services revolution." In response, the Internet Innovation Alliance (IIA), which was formed in part to prevent the very type of legacy regulations being levied by SBC, made the following statement: "SBC's charging of higher fees to VoIP providers through its TipTOP 'service' is discriminatory in nature and is a dangerous first step toward eradicating the vast array of benefits services like VoIP will provide to consumers," said Larry Irving, co-chair of IIA. "VoIP promises great consumer benefits provided it remains unburdened by regulations and access fees, like TipTOP. SBC apparently missed the memo or chose to ignore it in the face of larger profits." "The SBC has sent an unmistakable signal of defiance to the FCC," continued Bruce Mehlman, co-chair of IIA. "Chairman Powell has been clear that he does not intend to allow old copper-wire phone regulations to be applied to the newest digital data networks. SBC is picking a fight it cannot and should not win, and we expect the Commission to continue driving innovation through competition and non-regulation of VOIP." IIA believes that for America to realize broadband's revolutionary potential, federal and state officials must maintain regulatory and tax policies that encourage innovations made possible by mass-market broadband. IIA members include several VoIP leaders, including AT&T, pulver.com, Covad, Comptel/ASCENT, CapNet and the Information Technology Association of America. Other members include Americans for Tax Reform and the American Conservative Union. SOURCE Internet Innovation Alliance Web Site: http://www.internetinnovation.org ------------------------------ From: Rick Merrill Subject: Re: Can't Find Linksys IP Organization: Comcast Online Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 13:41:54 GMT BHAM KAL wrote: > Hi, > I am using Vonage at home. My Linksys wireless router is connected to > Vonage unit and the Vonage unit is connected to the incoming cable > modem. I have not logged into the wireless router in a while, now I > forgot it's IP address, how do I find it? > Thanks. 192.168.1.1 most likely ------------------------------ From: rlangly@gmail.com (Ringo Langly) Subject: Re: Dropping SBC For a VoIP Solution -- Vonage or Packet8 ?? Date: 1 Dec 2004 07:35:17 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com trb_1217@yahoo.com (tgreen) wrote in message news:: > Ringo, > I am looking forward to your review. I recently went through a similar > VOIP company comparison and I settled on Sunrocket. They are a new > company, but so far I have had a good experience. I tried them out > because it seemed pretty risk free -- no sign up, activation, or > cancellation charges. I hope you have a good experience. I think > VOIP is going to get pretty big over the next year. Hi everyone, Well last night the Packet8 router (or whatever it is) arrived, and in about 10 minutes it was activated and I had a dialtone. The first thing I did was run a speedtest on DSLReports.com, and I was sitting at around 2.4Mbps down and 350Kbps up (nothing else on network active), which is about normal for me. I made my first call to my landline (SBC), and the first thing I noticed was the delay. It was generally less then 1/2 a second, but it's enough where two people will step on one another while talking. I called the Packet8 tech support, and they said there generally is some delay, but it's should be no more then 50-100ms, which is hardly noticeable. Mine was more like 1/4-1/2 second delay. This doesn't sound like a biggie, but it breaks-up the casual flow of conversation. I then started firing-off some of my other applications, like iTunes (stream is 128K), Azureus (limited to 5K upload and 1500K download), email, and all my other web-based apps I usually run. With all this running I did another speed test, and I was down to about 1.1 Mbps down and 300Kbps up, which is still well within the 20Kbps or so required by Packet8. The sound quality is excellent, and caller ID, voicemail, and everything thus far works great. I even updated the firmware in the router, but the delay is still there. If anything is the killer it'll be the delay -- but I'll give it a full try for the next few weeks. I didn't sign any contract or anything, but it's free for the first month if I don't like it and send it back -- given I don't go over 300 minutes. The reasons I want to drop SBC is mainly because I'm paying $37/month and most VoIP services are closer to $20-$25/month. Plus my SBC line likes to quit working when it rains, and though I've told SBC exactly where the problem is they still haven't fixed it. Bottom line, the delay is annoying, but outside of that the service works great. I'll post another review later after I use it for a week or so. Ringo ------------------------------ From: tjniesen@hotmail.com (Tom Niesen) Subject: Re: Data Communication Versus Telecommunications Date: 1 Dec 2004 08:13:55 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com I guess I'm a 'data boy', but also 'phone boy'. Not that it matters to me but in my group we consider telecommunitcations to refer to the installation, use, service, and maintenance of telephones, systems, infrastructure, and related products. Data-com is refered to computer communications end of the field. Tom Al Gillis wrote in message news:: > Justin Time wrote in message > news:telecom23.573.12@telecom-digest.org: >> jrefactors@hotmail.com (Matt) wrote in message >> news:: >>> When people say telecommunications, it implies data communications, >>> correct? I want to know if data communication and telecommunications >>> usually are used interchangably. >>> Please advise. thanks!! >>> [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: In the Usenet hierarchy, 'telecom' is >>> one of the sub-groups under the larger category 'dcom'. I would say >>> the two terms are mostly interchangeable, but data communications >>> does include a lot more than just voice. PAT] >> The meaning would have to depend on the context. The more general >> term is telecommunications, having two major divisions, voice and >> data. The reason telecom -- voice is a sub-group of dcom -- data >> communications on the Internet newsgroups is due to the original focus >> of the Internet, computer-to-computer communications. As far as the >> history goes, data communications in the form of telegraphy pre-dates >> telephony or voice communications. My understanding of the word >> telecommunications is that it encompasses every form of communication >> that was carried by wire (before the age of wireless.) >> Rodgers Platt > My views follow the logic expressed by Rodgers Platt ... I construe > "Telecommunications" as electronic communications (or maybe even just > electrical communications) of which there are a bunch of flavors: > voice, data (either the old 1BM kind of data communications or the > newer IP kind, made popular by Cisco, 3Com and that ilk), video (as in > Video conferencing or even television) and possibly even Morse code! > I've noticed that recently the "Data Boys" seem to think Telecom > refers to voice-related communications. I think that's because they > know little of the history of this art/science and they don't know the > etymology of the word telecommunications. > Per the Encyclopedia Britannica: > Telecommunications: The science and practice of transmitting > information by electromagnetic means. A wide variety of information > can be transferred through a telecommunications system, including > voice and music, still-frame ... > So there! > Al ------------------------------ From: T. Sean Weintz Subject: Re: Trial Shows How Spammers Operate Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2004 11:27:20 -0500 Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Scott Dorsey wrote: > Right, these addresses are not in the same space, and they have > different rDNS. Otherwise, DNSBLs which listed all dynamic space > would be listing them as well. Um, they ARE in the same space, and most DNSBLs that claim to list Comcast dynamic space DO list them, much to my frustration. > Part of the problem is that ISPs don't use any uniform naming system > for addresses, so it can sometimes be a real adventure to figure out > what a given address is until you figure out their naming scheme. And > there are some out there that don't set any rDNS at all, too. > --scott *Never* rely on rdns unless it's your own. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 08:52:05 PST From: Patrick Townson Subject: Spam Gets Religion By Dan Ilett E-mail recipients are increasingly being offered religious salvation through bulk, unsolicited e-mail. http://news.com.com/Spam+gets+religion/2100-1032_3-5459848.html?tag=sas.email Read all technology news from this week: http://www.news.com/thisweeksheadlines/ Copyright 2004 CNET Networks, Inc. All rights reserved. CNET Networks, Inc. 235 Second Street San Francisco, CA 94105 U.S.A. [TELECOM Digest Editor's Note: You may want to check this out. It seems the spam detection things are having a problem with religious mailing lists (validly ordered by netizens who wish to receive that sort of thing such as literature on line from Catholic publishers) and the scam things sent out by the person who wonders if they can interest you in helping them by taking a few million dollars off their hands to be used to assist 'christian good works' with charities as 'her late husband directed in his will', and some legitimate charities of a religious nature. The spam detection things are dumping it all, it seems; good, legitimate, bad, scam, whatever. Oh, and now just today I received a new twist on the 'please take this money off my hands' scam. The scammer/spammers are taking the legitimate email addresses of the **military guys** in Iraq and using them (the legitimate, but ill-gotten email addresses) to tell you how they have come across lots of money in Iraq (either buried in the rubble of one of the war sites or wherever) and can you help them by holding the money until they return to the USA, 'if I get back alive; if not *you* distribute the money for me.' Evil, evil, evil! If DDOS works to put these fools out of business, I say go for it. What the hell, email on the net has become mostly useless in the last few months anyway. PAT] ------------------------------ TELECOM Digest is an electronic journal devoted mostly but not exclusively to telecommunications topics. It is circulated anywhere there is email, in addition to various telecom forums on a variety of networks such as Compuserve and America On Line, Yahoo Groups, and other forums. 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